Epic video. This really helped as did the video on wings. Best description of the equipment I've found so far. Miles ahead of the other videos! thanks.
Great couple of videos, thank you. I have my foil and wing, just waiting on arrival of board. Really looking forward to the next video in the series, the experiences you share save so much 'trial and error' on my part!
I've watched both parts of this video series, and your explanations are so clear and concise. Thanks so much! I'm trying to choose a setup of wing/foil/board that will allow me to learn the sport, but I also don't want to grow out of the gear too quickly. I'm 75-80kg and I'd be foiling/SUPing on lighter to moderate winds. I was thinking 5m wing, and eventually get a 1800cm foil, and 120L board (not sure of board length to choose)... does that sound like a reasonable setup. Lastly do you have any brands that you would recommend (or stay away from) on the cheaper side of things - I don't need high performance, but durability is probably important. Thanks again for these videos.
Hey Chris. You gear ideas sound pretty good at the moment. This size foil will work well for you size and last you a few years. Board wise there are no really bad boards if the price is right. I still think brands like Naish and Fanatic Armstrong have good board sizes. Second hand ones of theses would be a good buy. Size wise you will need a bit of length to start with just because they are really hard to paddle with if really short to start off with. Around 7' is a good place to start with (if just for winging you could go shorther). But this is one bit of gear you might down size pretty quick. So buying second hand can make it easier on the wallet! Foot-straps are still a must I feel for a fast learning curve. Thanks Reuben
Great video. Just 1 thing: the air/water over the wing has to travel further than underneath. Therefore there is lower pressure over the wing and the wing lifts up by pulling, not pushing.
Great video, very informative! My typical sailing areas have a lot of weeds in the water, both floating and growing in shallow areas. How sensitive are foils to catching weeds? I typically have to use a weed fin on my windsurfer boards.
Hi Peter, we also have lots of weed in our wing location. The really big bits of weed that are fairly thick sometimes get stuck around the foil but if we are moving fast enough and for most of the time we can cut through weed quite easily. It definitely seems to get caught or stay on the foil less than with Windsurfer. But I guess it's all due to how thick your weed is the foils tend to cut through the weed pretty easily if you can keep the speed up on the foil. I also find it much easier to dodge the seaweed also because you are higher up off the water and it's easier to transfer your weight and tone sharper and keep on the foil compare to a WindSurfer as well. Thanks Reuben
Interesting that you recommend starting out with footstraps, I'd planned to put them on for my first go when our lake re-opens but everyone keeps telling me not to bother for the first few goes. I've done plenty of windsurfing, snowboarding and wakeboarding so used to them in my sports. I think I'm just going to put them on and see how I go.
Hi John, definitely if you've done other sports with bindings put the foot straps on straight away. When we have taught a number of people the majority of people do find having footstraps easier because they haven't got to worry about where they put their feet. I only wouldn't recommend it if somebody has had an ankle issue or feeling very uncomfortable with having their feet in the foot straps to start with. But I still think it's for the easiest way to get yourself up and riding and balanced on the board. Thanks Reuben
Hi Carlos. The foil is a Aixs 102 supboardermag.com/equipment_guide/axis-foil-102cm/ but i think they have made it into the axisfoils.com/collections/all-complete-foils/products/super-easy-start-foil-package-1040 I use loads of different foils but the Aixs stuff is still great and easy to use, compared to many other brands. Thanks Reuben
Is that a 2021 Cabrinha X-Fly Foilboard? I'm 100 KG and have a Naish Hover 140 L. I'm still having a very hard time getting on foil. I get on 2-3 times per one hour session. It's very frustrating. What board brand is easiest for getting up? Would going down to 130 L be easier for me to get up? Or do I just need to lose 10 KG?
Hey Jake, It's the 2020 Cabrinha, the new 2021 has better footstrap positions. Anyway... regs your board choice. I would say its probably more to do with the foil or wing size then board. In general the longer board the faster it should move across the water and the easier it should help to get you up (on average). I would say the hover is a good board for your weight. There may be better boards for you Im sure but it should be pretty good really. As I said it sounds like you haven't got enough lift going on. At your weight you will need to be on a 2200cm + foil and a 6m wing. Is that what you have now? Please get back, but also check out SUPboarder Pro as well www.supboardermag.com/pro its our sub service, where we answer as many questions you want about getting on the right gear for you. YT doesn't always remind us of older and longer comments threads (very annoying). Thanks Reuben
I agree re footstraps ie either both feet in or both feet out. Otherwise asking for an ankle or knee twist injury when falling 🤙. Just my experience/opinion of course
Great info, thanks! Have been windsurfing for ages, but is there a wing foil setup I could use for wing foiling (on a dedicated board) and windsurf foiling on a compatible windsurf board, let's say, equipped with a Tuttle box? I'm not so hot for one of the specialised windsurf foiling boards, since I love windsurfing with a fin, but rather a foil compatible windsurf board slalom/freeride for the occasion. So basically, is there a foil set that can be used for both or are the sizes (front/back wing for example) totally different? I would go for a very light wind setup, so big (beginner) wings, and I guess there are adapters for the Twin US vs Tuttle box issue.
Hi Oskar, Yes you can use the same foil for both boards but you will need a SUP with a foil box placed further forward on a board. The foil can go in the same deep tuttle on a windsurf board. And yes you are best off using a brand that makes the top sections of the foil removable. Then you can add a DT or double US box as required. Foil size wise you will find windsurf foils will be much thinner and more high aspect then wing foils but when starting off using more of an all round wing foil will work on a windsurf board but it may be worth buying into a brand that is easy to add / change front foil for each discipline in future as you really get into it. Any help ? Thanks Reuben
Also be careful because the Tuttle box on older windsurf boards is not the same as the Deep Tuttle box, and also not reinforced for the levered forces of a hydrofoil. I switched from windsurfing to kiting ages ago but recently got a SIC Marlin 7'8" convertible board for windfoiling and eventually downwind SUP and wing foiling. Having tried a number of windsurf/foil convertibles (JP, various Slingshots, Starboard Hypernut), I gave up on believing one board can work for both windsurf and wing foiling. Foil mast track placement, as Rueben says, is the issue.
For the foil I'm using a Cabrinha Varial Medium (~1330) and find it's too fast for a beginner to learn on and doesn't stay on foil at lower speeds for me (175 lbs). I use it for kite foiling just fine. I've also used the Slingshot Infinity 76 and 84 and find them slower and easier to learn windfoiling with (24" mast to start with). Will be switching to Lift 200 for learning SUP foiling.
Thanks for the video! Would you recommend something like the f one rocket air wing/wind/sup foil at 7’11/31inch wide board for beginner wingfoiling in choppy/gusty ocean or something wider/shorter? Like 7’2/34? Rider weigh is 110kg, 1.98m tall. Background little experience windsurfing with 180-230lts 80cm wide board and frequent paddler with 330 liter SUP 34 inch wide. I would like to keep the versatility of the 7’11 as SUP/WINDFOIL/WINDSURF options BUT ONLY IF it doesn’t make wingfoil learning curve harder. Eventually I will probably get 140 liters dedicated wingboard. Thanks!
Hi Michael Like you have probably guessed a wider board will give you that bit more stability but length does help as well.... For a 110kg rider both these boards will work BUT, I would say go for the wider shorter board because when you are up and riding on the foil you will feel the extra length more than the extra width and the length (swing weight) can make riding harder. Thanks Reuben
Amazing video, thank you so much! Could I ask you for some specific help & advice? I'm 70-75kg, have 7m Duotone Echo + Gong Zuma 6'6 (2019) + Gong Allvator XXL (2500cm2). I'm having fun on foil when it's enough wind on my lake, but I'd really like to optimize as much as possible for the lightest possible winds; is there something you would recommend me to change? Next season I plan to try adding straps (avoided them when learning for safety); do you think changing the board (or something else?) could bring some more improvement? If board, could you advise what aspects to focus on? I was guessing short and wide probably, but I just don't know :/ Could you help me? Specific models recommendations would be super appreciated, but also generaly what to look for as most important if the the models are not available in my country. As I said, I'm single-handedly most interested in easiest possible takeoff and foiling in the lightest imaginable winds (and secondarily if possible upwind ability when wind is even lighter). And just in case, I'd unfortunately prefer to avoid Gong, having had an awful story with their quality & customer service. I'd be super extremely grateful for your advice, given that you have so much experience! 💖💖💖
Sure thing. Well first off it sounds like you are thinking about it all the right way. I too love the light wind winging. Here are my top gear tips... -A board that is short will offer less swing weight and you will be able to pump up on to the foil faster. But if you go too short you will be sinking which doesn't all ways help ether. At present i would say 5'5"- 6'2" works well. - I believe footstraps are a must. I can get up in so much less wind when using them. - Foil wise big is good but at the same time it will be come harder to pump. I would stick with what you have at present unless you want to change it up. I love foils around 1800 in light winds. - Your wing is a perfect light wind weapon. Don't change it! Stand out boards at present for me are. Naish, Armstrong, Starboard. can you get any of those? Any help thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Ahhh, about the line I was confused too but now understand: youtube made a "strikethrough" line between two "minus" signs you put in the comment :D first minus was the "bullet", another was the one between 5'5" and 6'2"; anyway, thank you so much for the advice!!! 💖💖💖 I will definitely start with trying to add straps then; if that won't help me enough, I'll look around for a new board. Thanks again Reuben and all the best to you & the Team! Oh, and also I had no idea that a bigger foil might make pumping harder, didn't see this mentioned ever by anyone... that's a suggestion I was completely unprepared to hear... but from what you say I understand shorter board is probably still something to look at first. Thank you so much!
great info, I have a 2020 hyper nut 4 in 1 coming and a 4.2 wing, (7.4) Id like to know what fin size is going to be best for the tuttle box to learn before using the foil option . in lakes mostly to start with.. Im 72kg ?For best up wind assistance.. thanks all
Hi Claire, you might find that the board works best with a fin that isnt any bigger than 9". TBH you could always use 2 x US fins instead of 1 tuttle box fin. Probably cheaper and more easy to get hold of. You can also use the 4 fins that come with the board too. 4 small fins will have the same effect as one big one. Its all about surface area at the end of the day. Thanks Reuben
Hey, awesome video, super helpful! One question, i am interested in a pump foil/ light wind wing foil. Should i go with an Axis PNG 1150 or PNG 1010? I weigh 70kg.
Hmm.. I see your dilemma! TBH I'm not 100% on pump foil yet with these newer super HA foil anyway. But I feel that you could be better off with the 1010 because it will allow you to use the foil in a little wider wind conditions with the wing. If it was just for pumping I would go for the 1150. Make sense? Thanks Reuben
With mast lengths, you mention that a longer mast will cause bigger impacts after breaching due to the drop but is it also possible that they breach the surface less often than shorter masts as the foils have much more depth to travel? With more skill and technique, can impacts be controlled with either long or short masts?
nice and useful video, just one note on how wings work. Water hitting the bottom and creating lift is not what wings to. If that was the case, you'd have way too much drag, same in airplanes with air. Wings create lift by inducing lower pressure (air or water) on the upper side thanks to their shape, curved above and straight below, so the wing is sucked upwards
Nice video! I just started Kitesurfing 6 months ago and fall in love - also suggest to start Foiling due to Light Wind at the moment :D I also started a Kitesurfing Vlog, let me know your thoughts :) Keep up the great work!
Great Video again guys!! I've just sold my 8'5 Naish Mana and 7'11 RRD to make way for a combination SUP/ Wing foil board. I was looking at the Hypenut 2in1 8" 31.5 134L, I weigh 75kg but from the video it seems 8" ft is extremely long and may not be suitable? I plan to get a smaller kite/prone/wing board when I have the foiling down and would still want the SUP for SUP surfing and foiling. Do you feel the Hypernut is a good options?
Hey Kyle at your weight I would try and drop some length if you can. Do you want it for Windsurfing? If not look towards the 7'4 it maybe a drop in volume but remember using a foil will make the board feel different in it's stability...more stable. I think you will soon get used to it. It will surf much better too! (non foil) Then in the end you will be riding a 5'5"-6' board for just your foiling, give it a year or so. Make sense? Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Thanks Reuben for the feedback. No not for winsurfing, only SUP surf/ SUP foil and to get started with the wing. I'm just concerned as 7.4 is around 100L and when I tried this volume, not a Hypenut, as a standard SUP it was a struggle. Would you say its easy enough just to go to a smaller wing foil board to learn to foil and wing at the same time? I would start on my inflatable SUP then to get a handle on the wing first.
I feel the 100L will still be best. At first you will find it a little unstable but Im sure you will soon get the hang of it. Starting off with your wing with your iSUP is a great move to get used to the feel of the wing and winging back and forth. But then I would get on the foil board but don't worry about trying to get up on the foil. Then after a few sessions build yourself up to it. Take your time and try to get feel for each element and you will be flying better and quicker in the end. Thanks Reuben
Awesome video, as always!! Thanks for all the info! If I may, I would like to ask for some advice.... I'm 75kgs, intermediate at surfing and paddleboarding, looking to get into sup and wing foiling. I'm thinking to get a wing during the winter and start learning to use it on skis/iceskates (I live in the mountains), and when the snow melts start using it on the water and on the coast. Because of my location, I'm thinking to get something a bit more multipurpose, like the S25 Hover SUP at 120L. I'm also considering a 5.5/6.5 Gong HIPE or an inflatable Hover 135L, but I'm afraid those I won't be able to use them as much as the SUP...but again, I'd like to keep it the smallest possible for traveling purposes. Any thoughts or tips come to mind that I haven't thought of? Thanks and keep the good work.
I hear you Marc. I think a board like the Hover will be much better as a SUP for sure. We have been using a few iSUP foil boards lately and they aren't the easiest to use without a wing. They seam very pivotable and don't want to paddle in a straight line. I think you progression will be faster with a board like the Naish. Does that help? Thanks Reuben
Yes you will find the fin on the Gong will help when not foiling absolutely. But I can imagine paddling it without the foil underneath as a non-falling board would still be a bit of a handful. If it had an extra thin box at the back of the board that would really help. (Of course talking about nonfiling and using it as a traditional Sup) Thanks Reuben
I am going to build my own board and foil out of fiberglass with a wood & Styrofoam core. Its going to be used on open ocean, really small waves, choppy water, low wind condition 8 -15 kt. For SUP & wing foiling. I weight 80kg and have no practice surfing or foiling. what would be a good board and foil design or brand to use as reference ? as in "I suggest you build something similar to this board and this one is a good foil"
Hey Drowsy . I guess the question is what gear can you get your hands and see it, to shape it from, locally? A good shape board would be something like a www.naishsurfing.com/product/hover-wing-foil-carbon-ultra/ 110L . its got a simple bottom shape. Foil wise something around 1500-1800cm2 front foil. TBH I would just buy a foil. Get something cheap like a Aztron or Gong. Making your own gear is a great idea and I have been think about making a board myself. But the problem with making gear when you are beginner is that youre going to out grow whatever you make quite quickly. Or maybe quicker then it takes to make it. Any help ? Thanks Reuben
Thanks for the video! Sorry if I have missed the information but are there hybrid boards, too? I mean boards where you can attach the hydro foil for foiling (obviously) or leave it off for "normal" surfing?
Good point Manual, Yes there are. Most of them are still around 7'-8' they do work well to get you on the water doing lots of different disciplines. The downside to these boards is if you really get into foiling the length does become more of an issue. Especially when you are wing foiling. So just like with everything there is a compromise and if you find that you want to do all of the disciplines including traditional Sup surfing with one board then they will work for this. But if you feel like you will be edging towards becoming more of a wing foiler in the future then possibly going for a shorter board that's a little bit more specific to foiling will be better in the long run. Having said that these boards have a very good resale price so you can always decide that later on. I hope that helps and sorry I didn't cover it in the video. thanks Reuben
Ahhh... Unless you mean surfing not supping. This can also possibly work too but obviously surf prone foil boards have a lot less volume so they will be more technical to use if you want to get out and wing foil with them first time. Definitely going for a board with enough volume to float you will make your wing foiling experience so much easier when you start.
Hmmmm, my understanding is that With an airplane, dihedral makes the plane more stable and less maneuverable. Any idea why the difference? Great video, thanks
Hey Gerry. Im not going to get myself into a hole I cant get out of 😉. But with a surf wing and foil wing i feel it does make it easy to rock or roll from one side the other side. So better for going from turn to turn. But there are so many things that go into the feel in the water. As for with airplanes I don't want to comment what does what. Good comment, sorry I can get a firm answer to you about that one. thanks Reuben
Typical water foiling foils actually have anhedral; that is they slope down outboard along their length. Dihedral is defined as slope upwards along the length. Foils and airplane wings behave the same since both are creating upward lift, in that anhedral lends instability (which you want to maneuver your board) whereas dihedral lends stability. FYI On a airplane you'll see anhedral on high-wing aircraft (e.g. giant transports like C-5 Galaxy) which are inherently too stable due to the fuselage-wing interaction, whereas low wing aircraft you see dihedral to combat natural instability of the fuselage-wing position (e.g. typical Boeing/Airbus passenger jet).
Hey Keith. If I was flat water wing foiling only I would choose a shorter baseboard but if I was going in the surf with my foil then I would opt for the bigger board. I just find having that little bit more length helps in lighter winds if I need to get out back when not on the foil. thanks Reuben
It will work. But like I said in your other comment the board will feel very long. It could be a good progression to get you into foiling but I'm sure you will want to get a shorter board. Thanks Reuben
It really depends on how confident you are on the water. If you are used to standing on windsurf board etc then it could be ok. But for most people it would be better having a board with around 130L at your weight. A good foil and wing setup to learn and get you up in 15knts would be a 2400cm foil and a 6-7m wing. Obviously technique will be a big factor too. I hope that helps a little? Thanks Reuben
Yes sounds good. If you wanted to get into surf foiling as well I would say go a little bit longer. But forgetting up with the wing there will be no problem with that size board. Obviously your body weight is a big factor too? Thanks reuben
Hey Eric Prone boards will have a lot less width and volume so it is easier to lie down and paddle them. You wont be able to stand up and paddle a prone board because you will be up to your arm pits in water😉. Does that help? Thanks Reuben
That could work but The shorter you go the harder it is to catch waves. Volume shouldn't be too much of a problem. Sorry about delay on getting back.. YT doesn't remind us about comments on threads. Which is very annoying! Reuben
Hi, for a beginner of your weight looking for a foil board I would say its going to have to be in the 160L -180L area. When you get the hang of it a board like the Starboard wingboard 7' would be a good board to offer you a good amount of performance. But to start off you will want aboard with more length and volume to make it as easy as possible. Hope that helps? Thanks reuben
Its a funny one. I have been windsurfing for a long time! And I have to say Wing foiling does everything windsurf doesn't. -Gusty winds, no problem! -30sec rig up time. (if foil is ready) -Epic light wind action. -Great for carrying long distances. -So good for air travel (if we ever do that again)! -Great at going up wind. -Need less gear. But i do think you do look like a bit of a d##k LOL. Thanks Reuben
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2:00 Boards
5:01 Boxes (2 types)
5:43 Nose & board sizes
13:38 Box (and weight) placement
14:30 Foot straps
19:24 Foils (Front wing)
Low Aspect Ratio
26:00 High Aspect Ratio
29:02 Curved HAR
33:44 Mast (Carbon & Aluminium)
35:22 Mast length / Level differences
37:06 Fuselage (Length)
37:35 Stabilizer
41:00 Mast length bonuses
Best education on SUP and foiling I’ve seen, well done and much appreciated.
Thanks Steve.
Wow! great videos! Thanks for taking the time to go through this in depth in a non-commercially directed way. Much appreciated!
Wicked, thanks for the nice feedback.
The best tutorial about Wings, foils, and boards I have never seen. Congrats!
Wow, thank you!
Single best video on RUclips for this type of info...
Thanks for the nice words.
Solid advice. I wasn't planning on watching this whole thing but it really was informative as I I gather intel on this new exciting hobby. Big thanks.
Great to hear this video was informative and helpful for you. thank you
Definitly one of the best Videos (Reviews) ever seen in WWW. THX!!
Wow, thanks!
Awesome educational video. Really helpful. What a mindfield! Thank you.
Glad you found this video helpful. Thanks, Beau
wow, what a wealth of information, thank you! Everything starts to make sense now! Appreciate your work a lot!
Great
Great information for learning about foils! Thanks!
Awesome that this helped you. Beau
Epic video. This really helped as did the video on wings. Best description of the equipment I've found so far. Miles ahead of the other videos! thanks.
Awesome, thank you!
Best video on youtube regarding wing foiling thanks alot!
Wow, thanks!
Another awesome video guys. So looking forward to the wing test .....🤔🤤
Thanks Paul. Quite a big edit that one.
Im in studio today bringing the wing test together so we want it out at end of week. 🤞 Reuben
Thanks for all of the great advice contained in this and the Part 1 video!!
You're so welcome! Have fun Dan
Very good video! Thanks for all the great information you gave.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is off the scale for quality advice! Thanks! 🤙
Wow, thanks for the nice words. Im happy it has helped. Thanks Reuben
Dual use board, is a great idea. Sup foil and wing foil board all in one. Thank you for the videos. Enjoy your Board Meetings.
Thanks for watching!
Great couple of videos, thank you. I have my foil and wing, just waiting on arrival of board. Really looking forward to the next video in the series, the experiences you share save so much 'trial and error' on my part!
This is perfect and what the video series was meant to be for. So great to hear it.
Very interesting and informative. Well presented. Thanks
Glad you liked it!
Very very nice video you clear all the fog in my mind and how to choose my first foil. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative video and very well produced ! Thanks!
Thanks Esbjorn
Love all your line graphics
Thanks. We have them on SUPboarder clothing now too which looks really cool. www.supboardermag.com/shop/page/2/
Reuben
I've watched both parts of this video series, and your explanations are so clear and concise. Thanks so much! I'm trying to choose a setup of wing/foil/board that will allow me to learn the sport, but I also don't want to grow out of the gear too quickly. I'm 75-80kg and I'd be foiling/SUPing on lighter to moderate winds. I was thinking 5m wing, and eventually get a 1800cm foil, and 120L board (not sure of board length to choose)... does that sound like a reasonable setup. Lastly do you have any brands that you would recommend (or stay away from) on the cheaper side of things - I don't need high performance, but durability is probably important. Thanks again for these videos.
Hey Chris. You gear ideas sound pretty good at the moment. This size foil will work well for you size and last you a few years. Board wise there are no really bad boards if the price is right. I still think brands like Naish and Fanatic Armstrong have good board sizes.
Second hand ones of theses would be a good buy. Size wise you will need a bit of length to start with just because they are really hard to paddle with if really short to start off with. Around 7' is a good place to start with (if just for winging you could go shorther). But this is one bit of gear you might down size pretty quick. So buying second hand can make it easier on the wallet! Foot-straps are still a must I feel for a fast learning curve. Thanks Reuben
Great job man!! Very helpful!
Great video. Just 1 thing: the air/water over the wing has to travel further than underneath. Therefore there is lower pressure over the wing and the wing lifts up by pulling, not pushing.
Yes correct , well spotted . Happy foiling Reuben
Thank you very much it is very helpfull
You're welcome. Glad you found it useful. Beau
You can be very detailed and informative I already want to do it
We hope it helped
Great video, very informative! My typical sailing areas have a lot of weeds in the water, both floating and growing in shallow areas. How sensitive are foils to catching weeds? I typically have to use a weed fin on my windsurfer boards.
Hi Peter, we also have lots of weed in our wing location. The really big bits of weed that are fairly thick sometimes get stuck around the foil but if we are moving fast enough and for most of the time we can cut through weed quite easily. It definitely seems to get caught or stay on the foil less than with Windsurfer. But I guess it's all due to how thick your weed is the foils tend to cut through the weed pretty easily if you can keep the speed up on the foil. I also find it much easier to dodge the seaweed also because you are higher up off the water and it's easier to transfer your weight and tone sharper and keep on the foil compare to a WindSurfer as well. Thanks Reuben
Awesome series! Love it! Had a wing foil course a few days ago and got directly hooked :) hang loose!
That is awesome!
Where'd you get trained?
In Germany at Wingsurf Fehmarn :)
We make foilsurf and foilsup boards for winging - really appreciate you making these informative videos and would like to share
Sounds great!
This is exactly the review I’ve been looking for! Really informative with some great tips! Thanks!
Glad so much it helped, thanks for the comment , happy flying :-)
As always so helpful awesome work 🤙
Wicked
Interesting that you recommend starting out with footstraps, I'd planned to put them on for my first go when our lake re-opens but everyone keeps telling me not to bother for the first few goes. I've done plenty of windsurfing, snowboarding and wakeboarding so used to them in my sports. I think I'm just going to put them on and see how I go.
Hi John, definitely if you've done other sports with bindings put the foot straps on straight away. When we have taught a number of people the majority of people do find having footstraps easier because they haven't got to worry about where they put their feet. I only wouldn't recommend it if somebody has had an ankle issue or feeling very uncomfortable with having their feet in the foot straps to start with. But I still think it's for the easiest way to get yourself up and riding and balanced on the board. Thanks Reuben
Great video. What are the details of the front wing you are holding? The 1800cm2 one. Thx
Hi Carlos. The foil is a Aixs 102 supboardermag.com/equipment_guide/axis-foil-102cm/ but i think they have made it into the axisfoils.com/collections/all-complete-foils/products/super-easy-start-foil-package-1040 I use loads of different foils but the Aixs stuff is still great and easy to use, compared to many other brands. Thanks Reuben
Is that a 2021 Cabrinha X-Fly Foilboard? I'm 100 KG and have a Naish Hover 140 L. I'm still having a very hard time getting on foil. I get on 2-3 times per one hour session. It's very frustrating.
What board brand is easiest for getting up?
Would going down to 130 L be easier for me to get up? Or do I just need to lose 10 KG?
Hey Jake, It's the 2020 Cabrinha, the new 2021 has better footstrap positions.
Anyway... regs your board choice. I would say its probably more to do with the foil or wing size then board. In general the longer board the faster it should move across the water and the easier it should help to get you up (on average). I would say the hover is a good board for your weight. There may be better boards for you Im sure but it should be pretty good really. As I said it sounds like you haven't got enough lift going on. At your weight you will need to be on a 2200cm + foil and a 6m wing. Is that what you have now?
Please get back,
but also check out SUPboarder Pro as well www.supboardermag.com/pro its our sub service, where we answer as many questions you want about getting on the right gear for you.
YT doesn't always remind us of older and longer comments threads (very annoying).
Thanks Reuben
I agree re footstraps ie either both feet in or both feet out. Otherwise asking for an ankle or knee twist injury when falling 🤙. Just my experience/opinion of course
Thanks for the comment. 👍🏼
Brilliant in depth info thanks keep it up
You bet
Very useful!! TNX.
No worries Joey
Very educational, thanks! Now to start saving my pennies.... a LOT of pennies!
Yeah this is the downside to getting into foiling.
Great info, thanks! Have been windsurfing for ages, but is there a wing foil setup I could use for wing foiling (on a dedicated board) and windsurf foiling on a compatible windsurf board, let's say, equipped with a Tuttle box? I'm not so hot for one of the specialised windsurf foiling boards, since I love windsurfing with a fin, but rather a foil compatible windsurf board slalom/freeride for the occasion. So basically, is there a foil set that can be used for both or are the sizes (front/back wing for example) totally different? I would go for a very light wind setup, so big (beginner) wings, and I guess there are adapters for the Twin US vs Tuttle box issue.
Hi Oskar, Yes you can use the same foil for both boards but you will need a SUP with a foil box placed further forward on a board. The foil can go in the same deep tuttle on a windsurf board. And yes you are best off using a brand that makes the top sections of the foil removable. Then you can add a DT or double US box as required. Foil size wise you will find windsurf foils will be much thinner and more high aspect then wing foils but when starting off using more of an all round wing foil will work on a windsurf board but it may be worth buying into a brand that is easy to add / change front foil for each discipline in future as you really get into it. Any help ? Thanks Reuben
Also be careful because the Tuttle box on older windsurf boards is not the same as the Deep Tuttle box, and also not reinforced for the levered forces of a hydrofoil. I switched from windsurfing to kiting ages ago but recently got a SIC Marlin 7'8" convertible board for windfoiling and eventually downwind SUP and wing foiling. Having tried a number of windsurf/foil convertibles (JP, various Slingshots, Starboard Hypernut), I gave up on believing one board can work for both windsurf and wing foiling. Foil mast track placement, as Rueben says, is the issue.
For the foil I'm using a Cabrinha Varial Medium (~1330) and find it's too fast for a beginner to learn on and doesn't stay on foil at lower speeds for me (175 lbs). I use it for kite foiling just fine. I've also used the Slingshot Infinity 76 and 84 and find them slower and easier to learn windfoiling with (24" mast to start with). Will be switching to Lift 200 for learning SUP foiling.
Thanks for the video! Would you recommend something like the f one rocket air wing/wind/sup foil at 7’11/31inch wide board for beginner wingfoiling in choppy/gusty ocean or something wider/shorter? Like 7’2/34? Rider weigh is 110kg, 1.98m tall. Background little experience windsurfing with 180-230lts 80cm wide board and frequent paddler with 330 liter SUP 34 inch wide. I would like to keep the versatility of the 7’11 as SUP/WINDFOIL/WINDSURF options BUT ONLY IF it doesn’t make wingfoil learning curve harder. Eventually I will probably get 140 liters dedicated wingboard. Thanks!
Hi Michael
Like you have probably guessed a wider board will give you that bit more stability but length does help as well.... For a 110kg rider both these boards will work BUT, I would say go for the wider shorter board because when you are up and riding on the foil you will feel the extra length more than the extra width and the length (swing weight) can make riding harder. Thanks Reuben
Amazing video, thank you so much! Could I ask you for some specific help & advice? I'm 70-75kg, have 7m Duotone Echo + Gong Zuma 6'6 (2019) + Gong Allvator XXL (2500cm2). I'm having fun on foil when it's enough wind on my lake, but I'd really like to optimize as much as possible for the lightest possible winds; is there something you would recommend me to change? Next season I plan to try adding straps (avoided them when learning for safety); do you think changing the board (or something else?) could bring some more improvement? If board, could you advise what aspects to focus on? I was guessing short and wide probably, but I just don't know :/ Could you help me? Specific models recommendations would be super appreciated, but also generaly what to look for as most important if the the models are not available in my country. As I said, I'm single-handedly most interested in easiest possible takeoff and foiling in the lightest imaginable winds (and secondarily if possible upwind ability when wind is even lighter). And just in case, I'd unfortunately prefer to avoid Gong, having had an awful story with their quality & customer service. I'd be super extremely grateful for your advice, given that you have so much experience! 💖💖💖
Sure thing. Well first off it sounds like you are thinking about it all the right way.
I too love the light wind winging.
Here are my top gear tips...
-A board that is short will offer less swing weight and you will be able to pump up on to the foil faster. But if you go too short you will be sinking which doesn't all ways help ether. At present i would say 5'5"- 6'2" works well.
- I believe footstraps are a must. I can get up in so much less wind when using them.
- Foil wise big is good but at the same time it will be come harder to pump. I would stick with what you have at present unless you want to change it up. I love foils around 1800 in light winds.
- Your wing is a perfect light wind weapon. Don't change it!
Stand out boards at present for me are. Naish, Armstrong, Starboard. can you get any of those?
Any help thanks Reuben
Not sure why its got a line through it??
@@SUPboardermag Ahhh, about the line I was confused too but now understand: youtube made a "strikethrough" line between two "minus" signs you put in the comment :D first minus was the "bullet", another was the one between 5'5" and 6'2"; anyway, thank you so much for the advice!!! 💖💖💖 I will definitely start with trying to add straps then; if that won't help me enough, I'll look around for a new board. Thanks again Reuben and all the best to you & the Team! Oh, and also I had no idea that a bigger foil might make pumping harder, didn't see this mentioned ever by anyone... that's a suggestion I was completely unprepared to hear... but from what you say I understand shorter board is probably still something to look at first. Thank you so much!
great info, I have a 2020 hyper nut 4 in 1 coming and a 4.2 wing, (7.4) Id like to know what fin size is going to be best for the tuttle box to learn before using the foil option . in lakes mostly to start with.. Im 72kg ?For best up wind assistance.. thanks all
Hi Claire, you might find that the board works best with a fin that isnt any bigger than 9". TBH you could always use 2 x US fins instead of 1 tuttle box fin. Probably cheaper and more easy to get hold of.
You can also use the 4 fins that come with the board too.
4 small fins will have the same effect as one big one. Its all about surface area at the end of the day.
Thanks Reuben
Hey, awesome video, super helpful! One question, i am interested in a pump foil/ light wind wing foil. Should i go with an Axis PNG 1150 or PNG 1010? I weigh 70kg.
Hmm.. I see your dilemma!
TBH I'm not 100% on pump foil yet with these newer super HA foil anyway.
But I feel that you could be better off with the 1010 because it will allow you to use the foil in a little wider wind conditions with the wing. If it was just for pumping I would go for the 1150.
Make sense? Thanks Reuben
With mast lengths, you mention that a longer mast will cause bigger impacts after breaching due to the drop but is it also possible that they breach the surface less often than shorter masts as the foils have much more depth to travel? With more skill and technique, can impacts be controlled with either long or short masts?
Yes very very true.. good point well raised. Thanks Reuben
nice and useful video, just one note on how wings work. Water hitting the bottom and creating lift is not what wings to. If that was the case, you'd have way too much drag, same in airplanes with air. Wings create lift by inducing lower pressure (air or water) on the upper side thanks to their shape, curved above and straight below, so the wing is sucked upwards
Great thanks for the comment Paolo. 👍🏼
Nice video!
I just started Kitesurfing 6 months ago and fall in love - also suggest to start Foiling due to Light Wind at the moment :D
I also started a Kitesurfing Vlog, let me know your thoughts :)
Keep up the great work!
I'll check it out!
Great Video again guys!!
I've just sold my 8'5 Naish Mana and 7'11 RRD to make way for a combination SUP/ Wing foil board.
I was looking at the Hypenut 2in1 8" 31.5 134L, I weigh 75kg but from the video it seems 8" ft is extremely long and may not be suitable?
I plan to get a smaller kite/prone/wing board when I have the foiling down and would still want the SUP for SUP surfing and foiling.
Do you feel the Hypernut is a good options?
Hey Kyle at your weight I would try and drop some length if you can. Do you want it for Windsurfing?
If not look towards the 7'4 it maybe a drop in volume but remember using a foil will make the board feel different in it's stability...more stable. I think you will soon get used to it. It will surf much better too! (non foil)
Then in the end you will be riding a 5'5"-6' board for just your foiling, give it a year or so.
Make sense? Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Thanks Reuben for the feedback. No not for winsurfing, only SUP surf/ SUP foil and to get started with the wing. I'm just concerned as 7.4 is around 100L and when I tried this volume, not a Hypenut, as a standard SUP it was a struggle. Would you say its easy enough just to go to a smaller wing foil board to learn to foil and wing at the same time? I would start on my inflatable SUP then to get a handle on the wing first.
I feel the 100L will still be best. At first you will find it a little unstable but Im sure you will soon get the hang of it.
Starting off with your wing with your iSUP is a great move to get used to the feel of the wing and winging back and forth. But then I would get on the foil board but don't worry about trying to get up on the foil. Then after a few sessions build yourself up to it. Take your time and try to get feel for each element and you will be flying better and quicker in the end.
Thanks Reuben
Awesome video, as always!! Thanks for all the info!
If I may, I would like to ask for some advice.... I'm 75kgs, intermediate at surfing and paddleboarding, looking to get into sup and wing foiling. I'm thinking to get a wing during the winter and start learning to use it on skis/iceskates (I live in the mountains), and when the snow melts start using it on the water and on the coast. Because of my location, I'm thinking to get something a bit more multipurpose, like the S25 Hover SUP at 120L. I'm also considering a 5.5/6.5 Gong HIPE or an inflatable Hover 135L, but I'm afraid those I won't be able to use them as much as the SUP...but again, I'd like to keep it the smallest possible for traveling purposes. Any thoughts or tips come to mind that I haven't thought of? Thanks and keep the good work.
I hear you Marc. I think a board like the Hover will be much better as a SUP for sure. We have been using a few iSUP foil boards lately and they aren't the easiest to use without a wing. They seam very pivotable and don't want to paddle in a straight line. I think you progression will be faster with a board like the Naish. Does that help? Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Totally!! Thanks Reuben!!!!
@@SUPboardermag One last thing! Wouldn't the middle fin on the Gong Hipe 6.5 help with all the pivoting?Thx!!
Yes you will find the fin on the Gong will help when not foiling absolutely.
But I can imagine paddling it without the foil underneath as a non-falling board would still be a bit of a handful. If it had an extra thin box at the back of the board that would really help. (Of course talking about nonfiling and using it as a traditional Sup) Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Awesome, Reuben!! Thanks a lot!!!
I am going to build my own board and foil out of fiberglass with a wood & Styrofoam core.
Its going to be used on open ocean, really small waves, choppy water, low wind condition 8 -15 kt. For SUP & wing foiling.
I weight 80kg and have no practice surfing or foiling.
what would be a good board and foil design or brand to use as reference ? as in "I suggest you build something similar to this board and this one is a good foil"
Hey Drowsy . I guess the question is what gear can you get your hands and see it, to shape it from, locally?
A good shape board would be something like a www.naishsurfing.com/product/hover-wing-foil-carbon-ultra/ 110L . its got a simple bottom shape.
Foil wise something around 1500-1800cm2 front foil. TBH I would just buy a foil. Get something cheap like a Aztron or Gong.
Making your own gear is a great idea and I have been think about making a board myself. But the problem with making gear when you are beginner is that youre going to out grow whatever you make quite quickly. Or maybe quicker then it takes to make it.
Any help ? Thanks Reuben
Nice !!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Thanks for the video! Sorry if I have missed the information but are there hybrid boards, too? I mean boards where you can attach the hydro foil for foiling (obviously) or leave it off for "normal" surfing?
Good point Manual, Yes there are.
Most of them are still around 7'-8' they do work well to get you on the water doing lots of different disciplines. The downside to these boards is if you really get into foiling the length does become more of an issue. Especially when you are wing foiling. So just like with everything there is a compromise and if you find that you want to do all of the disciplines including traditional Sup surfing with one board then they will work for this.
But if you feel like you will be edging towards becoming more of a wing foiler in the future then possibly going for a shorter board that's a little bit more specific to foiling will be better in the long run. Having said that these boards have a very good resale price so you can always decide that later on. I hope that helps and sorry I didn't cover it in the video. thanks Reuben
Ahhh... Unless you mean surfing not supping. This can also possibly work too but obviously surf prone foil boards have a lot less volume so they will be more technical to use if you want to get out and wing foil with them first time. Definitely going for a board with enough volume to float you will make your wing foiling experience so much easier when you start.
@@SUPboardermag Thanks! Good to know
@@Manuelrehse Been using a SIC Marlin 7'8" for windfoiling and some paddle SUPping and love it!
Hmmmm, my understanding is that With an airplane, dihedral makes the plane more stable and less maneuverable. Any idea why the difference?
Great video, thanks
Hey Gerry. Im not going to get myself into a hole I cant get out of 😉. But with a surf wing and foil wing i feel it does make it easy to rock or roll from one side the other side. So better for going from turn to turn. But there are so many things that go into the feel in the water.
As for with airplanes I don't want to comment what does what. Good comment, sorry I can get a firm answer to you about that one. thanks Reuben
Typical water foiling foils actually have anhedral; that is they slope down outboard along their length. Dihedral is defined as slope upwards along the length. Foils and airplane wings behave the same since both are creating upward lift, in that anhedral lends instability (which you want to maneuver your board) whereas dihedral lends stability.
FYI On a airplane you'll see anhedral on high-wing aircraft (e.g. giant transports like C-5 Galaxy) which are inherently too stable due to the fuselage-wing interaction, whereas low wing aircraft you see dihedral to combat natural instability of the fuselage-wing position (e.g. typical Boeing/Airbus passenger jet).
Hi, is gong rise L good for smal waves? (for sup foiling)
Yes, definitely , at your weight you could surf knee to shoulder high with that.
Maybe you have tried wing surfing with a windsurf board?
We haven't yet but Im sure it would be possible. For best Performance getting on a shorter board will definitely help when foiling.
if volume is the same, will you prefer 4'5" or 5"3 board?
Hey Keith. If I was flat water wing foiling only I would choose a shorter baseboard but if I was going in the surf with my foil then I would opt for the bigger board. I just find having that little bit more length helps in lighter winds if I need to get out back when not on the foil. thanks Reuben
Hello everyone. I have a Sup board (Pullen 10'). Will It work fine with the foil mount?
It will work. But like I said in your other comment the board will feel very long. It could be a good progression to get you into foiling but I'm sure you will want to get a shorter board. Thanks Reuben
If I am 100 kg, would 100l board would be good ? Also what size wing would be good ? And what minimum wind speed do we need for such weight ?
It really depends on how confident you are on the water. If you are used to standing on windsurf board etc then it could be ok. But for most people it would be better having a board with around 130L at your weight. A good foil and wing setup to learn and get you up in 15knts would be a 2400cm foil and a 6-7m wing. Obviously technique will be a big factor too. I hope that helps a little? Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Thanks, I thought so 130 then, so 6m2 wing, but the foil size bit unclear. Thanks anyway.
Yeah sounds good. The foil front wing I think for you should be around 2400cm in size. Hope that helps?
Nice vid, but come on through with the wing test please.
I want it out this week. Sorry for the wait. Reuben
So for someone who has surf and SUP experience who is looking to get into wing foiling what would be a good length? Right now I'm considering 5'8"/6'?
Yes sounds good. If you wanted to get into surf foiling as well I would say go a little bit longer. But forgetting up with the wing there will be no problem with that size board. Obviously your body weight is a big factor too? Thanks reuben
@@SUPboardermag hi Ruben thanks for the reply. Yeah I weigh around 165 pounds so 74ish kg I think?
Yeah that would be a good board length. Reuben
What's the difference between a prone vs SUP foiling board?
Hey Eric
Prone boards will have a lot less width and volume so it is easier to lie down and paddle them. You wont be able to stand up and paddle a prone board because you will be up to your arm pits in water😉.
Does that help? Thanks Reuben
I am 60kg is 75l board good?
That size could suit you for sure. But it does depend on your ability and what conditions you are going to use it in too.
@@SUPboardermag i wuld probably use it at small waves
That could work but The shorter you go the harder it is to catch waves. Volume shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Sorry about delay on getting back.. YT doesn't remind us about comments on threads. Which is very annoying! Reuben
I'm 270lbs. What size /litre of board would I need?
Hi, for a beginner of your weight looking for a foil board I would say its going to have to be in the 160L -180L area. When you get the hang of it a board like the Starboard wingboard 7' would be a good board to offer you a good amount of performance. But to start off you will want aboard with more length and volume to make it as easy as possible. Hope that helps? Thanks reuben
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just buy windsurf kit and save your money. plus you won't look a dick!
Its a funny one. I have been windsurfing for a long time! And I have to say Wing foiling does everything windsurf doesn't.
-Gusty winds, no problem!
-30sec rig up time. (if foil is ready)
-Epic light wind action.
-Great for carrying long distances.
-So good for air travel (if we ever do that again)!
-Great at going up wind.
-Need less gear.
But i do think you do look like a bit of a d##k LOL.
Thanks Reuben