Perfect Wheel Balancing with Balance Beads (Are there any cons for our 4wd ?)
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- We went for balance beads instead of the usual stick on wheel weight for our 4x4 wheel balancing. Sharing our very first impression on how this new type of 4wd tire balancing goes for our Land Rover Defender. New alloy rims, new All Terrain tyres, and new balancing beads.
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Just use 16oz of antifreeze per tire. Works much better than beads. Will never clump up or freeze. We run antifreeze on all our commercial trucks and trailers.
Don't know about that way of doing. 16oz is for all size of tires ? And how does that go for deflating tires when going offroad?
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Antio-freeze is Nasty whenever you need to fix a flat, etc. Many shops would likely say Forget it, you need a new tire now.
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might be okay for big rigs with thick tread tha never get punctures but otherwise, ewww
Very useful and informative video thank you! I’ve got 35”tyres on my discovery 2 and I’ve been looking at balancing beads for a while, Thank you for sharing!
Happy if you found useful info!
The beads will not work until the centrifugal force reaches the point of overcoming the force of gravity but that occurs at a relatively slow speed (depends on size of tires - the smaller the tires that faster centrifugal force will overcome gravity). And at slower speed imbalance would produce less force as well - that is, you would likely never notice any wobble because of tire imbalance at slow speed - the flex of the tire is greater at slow speed as well which helps absorb any wobble.
That’s awesome! It does make you wonder how it works. If it is true that the beads do try coming out (unlikely) maybe get the valve at the highest point before airing down. I’ve only heard of them but never used them.
Will see how it goes, airing down is now our main concern as now we know it goes well on road :)
I've had the beads and got rid of them. Got rid of the tires too and they were a month old.
Airing down is a pain they do get stuck in the valve, even when the valve is on the top. Besides when you are traveling at low speed you won't have the tire balanced and you'll have higher temperature due to friction.
I only used it because I didn't know better at the time and the garage propused them to me because I was putting hard to balance tyres (retreaded).
With good quality tyres like bfg, there's really no need to go this path. I would stay away.
Some tyre manufacturers prohibit their use....
Yes airing down is a concern and we'll need to see how it goes. If the beads causes any issue on that side we might go back to regular wheel weights. Why did you have to ditch tires too when removing beads?
@@offtrackfamily they were really hard to balance with weights (retreaded tires are known to be more unbalanced then new).
also they had really stiff construction, which hardly made them come down when airing down...
I also do a lot of road miles, so they were a concern, soo I sold them on to a farmer for his pick-up that doesn't leave the farm and got some Cooper AT3's for the LR.
did you know there are bigger sized beads for trucks/offroad that are big enough to not clog up the valves?
They are really good in motorcycle wheels. The lifespan of a motorcycle tire is significantly shorter than something with more than two tires.
Very interesting topic. I have not heard of this before in South Africa (maybe because I am just unaware of it), but I will ask my local tyre centre that I use for their opinion. Poor balancing destroys the smooth rolling performance within 10000 km or so and noise/ vibration is really irritating. Great topic 👍🏻.
Thanks! Would be nice to know what they think about it down in South Africa and why they would or wouldn't recommend it
Don’t use them.
Do some research before getting them. Look at something (research) that is not biased to be sure you decide if these are or are not for you.
Hello
Sa fonctionne très bien j'ai de pneus de 285-75x16 sur des jantes de 8'5 déjà faite15000km avec mon Defender 90
Faite l'Espagne Portugal Maroc sans problème même en 4x4 pas de problème 👍👍👍👍
Super! On se réjouit de voir comment ça se passe en offroad avec le degonflage des roues ou si c est un carnage avec des billes qui bouchent tout
I've heard that the steel or metal balls (marbles) tend to cause more damage to the internals of the tires. In terms of the ceramic balls breaking down over the life of the tire, I think this idea comes more from large tractor trucks that travel millions of kilometers under heavy load, versus light passenger vehicle applications, which I agree I don't think would cause the ceramic [marbles] to wear out as quickly as in a commercial application such as that of large trucks. Clumping I believe tends to be caused by using too much lubricant when installing the tires on the rims, or in the case of sealant being used in the tire or other compounds like that. Many people claim they can cause damage to TMPS sensors, which it doesn't look like you have. If the balls plugged the valve stems during deflation, the tire could always be be rotated to free them (I believe) or air could be blown in to push them out of the way (I believe). People claim the balancing effect becomes most noticeable between speeds of 30-45 mph (50-70 kmh). Using too many balancing beads beyond manufacturer recommendation can cause the tire to go out of balance, I believe due to the balls interacting too much inside of the tire. This is all information that I have gathered from researching tire balancing beads on my own, but I haven't yet taken the leap to try them for myself (coming soon I hope!), so please don't take all of the above as absoulete fact. Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us!
From the looks of it, there are issues in using it in small and low profile tires (you really want to have the flat spot of the tire to be able to push the beads around, or space for the beads to roll around or diffuse); humidity in the tires causing stick or clumping (use hydrophobic beads, or powder); too many beads in the tire; not replacing the valve stems (some beads come with a stem that has no such issues with beads); ...
Some people just use anti freeze, or slime instead of beads. Some truckers use really massive beads (a few golf balls in some cases).
There are many information available out there and it seems experiences are all different. In our case it went well in the all terrain tires. The best is to try it out and if it doesn’t do the job, go back to regular wheel balancing.
Good it works for you. I do not now anything about those beads. But it is widely known that AT tires are not difficult to balance at all. However, MT are, as they progressively deform and wear unevenly when driven on paved roads. The best way I know to get around the wobbling caused by these tires (285s MY on steel rims) is the dynamic balance that takes into account the uneven deformation. Some people say that the best AT tire is the MT tire 🙂. Do not tell me you left the white letters to the outside?
The worst case scenario we had (death wobble) was with our old & used winter tires. Muds always went well and beads are also is our mud setup. Small vibrations always occurred when slowing down to 90-80 kmh on highway (with winter and mud tires) and now nothing. So all good for the moment :)
Yes. I had the very same issue during a long trip not long ago, just when slowing down from 80Km/h. Only noticeable on paved roads. At the end, I swapped one of the front tires to the back and it solved the problem. Looks like that wide steel rims+MTs is the worse combo. Both, my mud and summer shoes are 285s and I would like to go down to 265s.
I've been curious about these for a while. I have some new wheels and mud tyres coming so might look at this. Be interesting to see how you get on with these over time.
We also look forward to testing this new wheels setup in different conditions and situations.
That’s so bizarre. My brain can’t wrap around how it works. I would have thought that any imbalance would send the beads to the outside section of the imbalance… making it worse!
Maybe a weird interaction between centrifugal and centripetal forces? 🤷♂️
It does seem illogical, luckily many videos explain how this works 👍
The center of balance/rotation in a raw tire shifts toward the heavy side. Because the center of rotation wants to be in the center of balance. The lighter side of the tire is the "high side" that bounces. The beads, if disrupted by flex from the road surface, will gravitate to the lighter high side to offset the weight of the heavier side. Therefore pulling the center of rotation to center of the tire/wheel.
It has to do with the path of circumfrence in relation to the heavy spot.
That is, it is not a perfect circle around the center of rotation.
The second half of this video - > DKdSys-TtwA
does a fairly good job of explaining it.
You should have used the balancing beads in your old wheels and tires to really have experienced a difference between traditional balancing and this beads if you really wanted to know in my honest opinion,the quality of those beautiful Performance wheels with a lesser offset and new AT tires definitely is much better for wheel bearings , drivetrain ,axles and also a big difference in wheel tracking if you understand what I mean
Our mud tires setup is also ready with beads balancing 👍 We decided to already go for this new tire setup mainly because we have the dreaded MOT and as we don't have anymore winter tires it was a good occasion to test out AT tires. Don't think we'll stop going for 285 muds with a nice offset as this is what we prefer ;)
@@offtrackfamily I’m curious about the result on the mud tires in combination with the beads
Balancing Beeds in mine. Good for switching tyres diagonally front to back as balancing is same, as well as the other you mention. Not noticed a critical speed for them to work. Will be getting my wheels powder coated over winter so will check condition of tyre inner and beeds when I remove tyres for powder coated.
Nice! Would be good to know if what we read regarding the use of the beads and use of the inner tire is accurate or just incorrect like we think.
Habt ihr schon Erfahrungen bei einer Schnellbremsung/Notbremsung gemacht? Ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass es sich dabei - falls vorhanden - das ABS auswirkt und das ziemlich aus dem Tritt bringen könnte.
Shouldn’t be an issue
I did it on my MT (Cooper STT pro) tyres and it didn't work :(
What are those wheels please?
How do you decide what is the correct weight for each tyre?
The beads manufacturer provides a chart
Google Tire Beads Calculator if your tire size is not in the chart
Bonjour très bonne vidéo merci pour le partage dommage que ce soit pas en français pourquoi traduire en anglais?
Merci! C est un choix et si vous avez des questions on répond volontiers en français
Même questionnement.
J'ai sûrement déjà croisé votre Land une ou deux fois ... mais suis en Jeep, donc pas d'appel de phare ;-)
its just produkt marketing... never juse this staf.... nothing beter for off road , steel rims,,, good tyres and old standart balancing!!!!!!!!!!!!
We'll see overtime if this is true or not for our 4x4 and its setup