The whole point was to avoid politicizing the movie. It was more about “war in America” with the catalyst being a shitty president so bad that TX and CA would team up against him
@@commanderkei9537 Nah, they just changed it so that people would think they didn’t just make a far left fever dream. Check the early maps they released. Cali and Texas weren’t a “team”.
Joe, just a slight critique for reviews. I think you should start showing OJ’s and Alex’s ratings along side yours. Or at least an average of the three. It just seems like, regardless of what they rate it, your rating is the only one that matters. It’s the AngryJoe show of course, but if they’re participating, let them…participate 😅.
I wouldn't do an average, they all have different viewpoints so it would dilute the individuals scores, but yeah just put all 3 scores up there so people who have similar tastes to either OJ, Alex or AJ can decide.
It’s the AngryJoeShow dumbass. They participate plenty by being given his platform to voice their opinions. Angry Joe’s opinion is the only that matters because it’s his show. That’s why we’re all here watching the show.
A line from Schindlers List that has always stuck with me is “War brings out the worst in people. Never the good. Always the bad. ALWAYS the bad!” I feel that it applies very much in Civil War.
It's pure survival. The training is just to stop you from getting stunned locked mid fight. Remember Germany did this at the start of the war they divided all groups. Regardless how we feel for each other divided we are lost. Don't be a sucker
Couldnt agree more. This is the point of the film in my opinion. Getting hung up on tactical decisions during action scenes is missing the whole point.
There's a really thought provoking part of Civil War where Lee is talking about how she hoped the war stories she covered and sent back to the US would be seen as things not to do. She hoped those stories would show people how not to act. And yet here they were.
i think the best part of the movie is that they clearly show that there are absolutely no rules in a civil war. Criminals strung up tortured and killed, unarmed, captured and injured soldiers getting executed, innocent civilians getting killed. it’s very accurate as to what the brutality of a civil war actually is
*war. Not just civil wars. Just because Americans don't do these things in the wars we fight today doesn't mean this isn't rampant around the globe. We're sheltered.
@@funkrobot9762 Yep. Nobody thinks *their* army does these things, but if we were all correct about that then it'd never happen. Clearly, happens all the time. Kinda of a hard pill to swallow when you first realise this
When people say "this film is absurd, Texas and California together is absurd", considering that in the real world the US and USSR made a pragmatic alliance less than 100 years ago to defeat Nazism in World War II, I don't know if it's a diagnosis that American society is in fact very divided, or that basic history education is very bad
The Soviet Union was literally helping the Nazi's through the Molotov Ribbentrop pact and traded oil with them up until Germany backstabbed them, THEN they joined the allies, and even then both acted behind eachothers backs. Not the best comparison.
You think society was as polarised back then? Views weren't so deeply entrenched. Your election is the best example. So much has happened and the needle barely moves. You don't change... There is no fucking way in hell that texans would work with Californians on this level. No fucking way in the 2020s.
@andrewrogers3067 We know that from later analysis of the conflict and actions leading up to it. The movie's POV characters aren't in the know, and the conflict in the film is ongoing. It's a perfect comparison.
Also completely missing the point. The alliances are arbitrary lines to serve the character driven plot. If you're analysing the alliance, you're missing the point.
More like enemy of my enemy kind of thing. We did absolutely zero cooperation through the war. One of the main reasons we nuked Japan was so we could ensure we would be the ones doing the rebuilding. Many instances of that during the European front as well.
Jesse Plemons is one of the best "psychopath" actors in the world. Not saying he can't convey emotion, but damn can he make you believe he'll kill you without a second thought. My first time seeing him was CSI, and then next time I really noticed him was Breaking Bad; cold as ice.
My interpretation of Lee was that in subtle ways she started to desire to really live again, and enjoy a more regular life. It's subtle.. the wearing of the dress, her comments on the town, the way she stared at the flowers during the sniper scene, etc. I think she wasn't scared in the final battle because she was cracking under mental pressure, but because she wanted to live and therefore the risk became all too real to her again.
I don’t think she wanted to die at any point she was just weary of life or to be more clear she was weary of death and violence. She’s a war correspondent that knows that showing the truth is important but she feels that she failed to warn them enough to prevent the current war. She sees the young girl with the vim and vigor to take the images that need to be seen. She knows the road ahead is hard and doesn’t want that future for her. When she realizes that the girl won’t be stopped she tries to help her eventually leading to her sacrifice.
38:50 - There actually is a reason why Jessie steps in to the line of fire. The movie tells us that reason, subtly but unmistakenly. Jessie decides to cross the hallway because that is what Lee was doing before. She was trying to follow her lead. Lee did that crossing the hallway manouver couple of times during the raid and Jesse saw that. The problem is Lee knew when to do it (notice non of the soldiers scream at Lee) because she's clearly done this before, She's been to wars, she's seen sh....t in her life as fronline journalist. Lee knew what she was doing. Jessie on the other hand was jus walking into the line of fire without any thought (just adrenaline driven newby behavior - and soldiers discipline her all the time). We also can deduce that Lee actually knew what she was doing from the fact that the second Jesse steps out from the cover , Lee immidiatly knows she f...ed up. And runs to grab her. So yes Jessie acts stupid, but she acts stupid trying to be like Lee, not realizing that what Lee is doing is actually calculated and trained behaviour. And not just stepping into the line of fire without thought. Lee on the other hand in that moment lost her cool and detachment (she also just had a breakdown before the white hous raid - and before that, she deletes the picture of Sammys body representing the change in her). Because normally she would just take her camera and took a picture of Jessie being shot. But she got in the line of fire for Jessie (She also grew protective of the girl). And instead Jessie takes the picture of Lee's death, the very thing Lee would do up until this point. You guys watched the White house shoutout from the militaristic point of view and missed all of that. Because that scene really wasnt about the gun fight, The whole final act was about Lee's change, and Jessie's change. Lee changing from i have to take the picture no matter what to - not taking the picture in order to save someone. And Jessie changing from, should i take the picture and not help? To i should take the picture no matter what.
@@AngryDad. It's not, but the execution is. She just pushes her down and proceeds to stand there. She doesn't even try to stay down with Jessie, or at least move out the way: she literally just stands there.
@@functionatthejunction the people in power dont care about left or right... religious or not.. pro or anti abortion... they care about money/power... they want you to stay just stupid enough to not get it.. but just smart enough so you can work for them untill you are 60
We are just apes. The tribalistic mindset is unavoidable. But heres the thing. Alex often disagrees and are more critical than OJ and AJ. So kinda balances out
Dolby was just as insane I’m sure. I was actually shook at the “what kind of American” scene because of how hard hitting the sounds were for the gun fire.
I don’t think the Hawaiian shirt guys were apart of a faction. I think we have “two” civil wars going on here. One civil war is the federal government versus the established Western Forces and Florida Alliance. The other civil war is the average citizens forming small bands of resistance exploiting the fractured federal government and just acting rogue.
They're not orange and they're not pink, they are red. I saw the movie in a Dolby theater and the glasses were red. Watching the trailer on my TV confirms this.
Looked RED to me but the angle of the sun shining on them actually made them kind of distracting from the scene. Was more focused on trying to figure out the color of those glasses than what was going on. Would have been more effective if they were just ordinary dark-lensed glasses, but maybe they were GREEN??
It wasn’t realistic at all. Felt comically. In reality you’d see a bunch of invasions from foreign powers that took advantage of a broken US government.
I had no idea which side was which, what they were fighting for, or why they were fighting in the first place, but I guess that was partially the point
@@johnnylove2073 the press DO know what’s going on, it’s just not communicated to the audience. Because it’s irrelevant to the films message. That’s good writing.
@@johnnylove2073 It is a cautionary tale about "civil war", or just "war", _in the general case_ , it is not, and is not trying to be, about some potentially realistic civil war scenario in our actual timeline. This is not hard to understand. It has just enough grounding so it's clear it's in a pseudo-realistic modern timeline that's closely related to where we are, while being vague enough so that no real American political faction can mouthbreathingly point at it and go "see! other side bad! this movie is propaganda against other side!". The real magic trick is that Garland kept it vague while _also_ not engaging in BothSidesism. Doesn't use the word Democrat or Republican once and, other than pointing to some _obvious_ actions that _would_ be potential lead ups to such a scenario ("dissolving the FBI", "third presidential term") it steers clear of direct commentary on current American politics entirely. If you, dear viewer, happen to notice that some real-world political figure has also expressed similar such desires (for dissolving departments and/or installing themselves as god-king for life) then perhaps have a think about _why those are bad things_ instead of mouthbreathingly pointing at the film and accusing it of taking sides.
I saw this coming, and even having never seen it, I just have a hard time believing a political movie like this can be made unbiasely at this current time in history. So I'm looking for more details to know just how badly annoyed I'll be watching it.
Joe, i completely disagree the whole film lacks any real context for any of the 'seriousness' to have any weight and graboty behind it and it just makes the forced "look photographing all the atrocities and how brutal things are" feel so disingeniuous. Also as a vet, lemme tell you no journalist would ever be up a units ass like that let alone drag them around the battle.
You mean trained and battle-hardened soldiers don't follow and take orders from journalists during a fire-fight? Good sir, I think Hollywood knows better than you /sarcasm
In this case they made it clear why the Western Forces wanted the press along so much; it was stated at three points which I thought was well done, since each instance made it clearer what the agenda was. We actually do get a lot of context in the film for what happened, but it's distributed in various comments. We know there was the Western Forces, the New People's Army, the Florida Alliance and the Loyalist States. We learn about some of the trigger events that likely caused the fractures as well.
@@JeffNyman one off comments do not really provide enough unfortunately. Its the inverse of the expression seeing the 'forest for the trees', you see one or two trees but somehow miss theres a vast jungle behind it. Unfortunately this isn't dark souls, films cannot sprinkle 3 bread crumbs of context and expect the viewer to know the story. This is the problem i have with a lot of a24's films, some are pretty well done but others feign artistry when its really halfbaked drama. Not the worst thing I've seen, characters aren't bad or anything but w/o a solid narrative or a way to ground you in reality its just hollow.
Right? That was driving me crazy watching the movie. These absolute randos show up to these real conflicts where people are killing each other to photograph everything, and I’m just like “You’re not helping. You’re just extra bodies that these people now have to worry about and protect, and you’re literally getting in the way, and they’re just totally okay with all of this.” It was so insane.
I'm surprised the President was drag from behind the desk, didn't all the Hollywood movies informed us that the White House has a panic room or bunker hidden beneath the round presidential seal?
I never felt the tactics were an issue because, in my mind, I figured that things would be more guerilla and chaotic in this setting. This movie also clearly has the bones of Apocalypse Now and they did something similar. It serves thematic purpose imo.
Yes, so many thigs flew over thieir heads it is actually amazing. Not to be misunderstood I love to AJ and the guys and have a great laugh with them most the times. but man this one was painfull to watch.
@@KaneMeadowsGaming Example. The guys are saying that in the final raid Jessie acts stupid and for no reason steps out of cover. When in fact there is a reason. It;s just not explained by exposition but is shown through charactesa actions and careful editing. The reason Jesse steps out from her cover to take a picture is because she wants to be like Lee. How do we know that? Besides The whole journey where there are hints sprinkled throught the movie. In this scene alone We can see that Lee is getting out of cover by crossing the hallways in order to take the picture. Jessie sees that and tries to be like Lee. What she does not understad is that Lee knows what she's doing and knows when to make her move. Why do we know that ? because movie tells us that Lee is cold and calculating and extremly experienced in this kind of thing by her reporting on numerous coflicts throught out her life. Jessie on the other hand is a newby and mimick's Lee's action but not understandng that what Lee is doing is calculated and Jessie just steps out to the open driven by adrenaline and just being reckless. One hint is the fact that none of the soldiers scream at Lee but Jessie in being constatnly disciplined by the soldiers not to get in line of fire. So there is a reason why Jessie steps out. the reason is, She wants to be like Lee.
@@telfer3388 Perfect explanation, and I have no arguments. I just think if you're going to call someone out and tell them they're wrong then you should at least explain why. So thank you for typing all that out and also not being rude
Thank God the other two pushed back on Joe about this movie. Absolutely STUPID decisions by characters throughout, HORRIBLE MUSIC choices for certain scenes, NO IN DEPTH STORY, terrible ending. This movie gets a 5 from me, at the highest. The only scene I really liked was with the dude in the shades and all the bodies. Could've been SO MUCH better. I gotta say, I've agreed with Joe on nearly every game review of his, but to me he often misses the mark on movies. This movie was complete MID.
> HORRIBLE MUSIC choices for certain scenes The juxtaposition of upbeat '70s/'80s pop music with the harrowing visuals was there _specifically_ and _deliberately_ to feel jarring and make you feel uneasy. It was the entire point. So, perhaps you didn't realise it, but your discomfort was Garland's efforts actually working.
@@johnnypopstar discomfort is not even close to the right word. Let me here you defend the absolute STUPIDITY of the switching vehicles through the window at high speeds scene now? Since you seem determined to defend this complete waste of time and money....
@@johnnypopstar you all over this thread arguing for this craptastic A24 offering....you don't happen to work for them do you? How old are you? I imagine if I was 13 I would've enjoyed this more.
This movie seems like a cash grab, you wanted to capitalize on American political divides but also wanted to avoid it and act like it somehow doesn’t matter. This movie had no balls.
I agree with Alex (under the 10 min mark specifically). There was not enough context to get me interested in the characters or the war for that matter but not just for the first half but a majority of not all of the film for me personally 😭
No ones gonna bring up that terrible soundtrack that killed all the tension EVERY.SINGLE.TIME 😂 Not to mention they really didnt dive deep into the causes of a potential civil war other than tiny tid bits of info glossed through. Jessie really ruined it altogether, we did not need her. And by the end shes dodging bullets behind marines taking shots of the action....what....what...not to mention she gets no repercussions for getting the bitch killed just onto the next shot, are you joking. Film had a couple spots of reality. The rest was a borefest and very unrealistic. This could have been soo good and relevant for the times. Everyone is talking about a civil war, and yet you fumble with an idea everyone is interested in seeing
I wasn't impressed with this movie. I found the background of what is going on more interesting the plot. I also don't know how this was tagged action epic / action. Jesse threw me off, maybe I'm just getting old, I just kept thinking, 23, she looks more like 13 (which is wild since she was actually 23 when this was filmed) its just she looks too young to play that age (ironically) Alex's point is mainly my core criticism. There isn't enough about the characters or about the events to make me satisfied with them movie. I also find the behavior of the journalists to be a little too excessive, it doesn't fit how they actually are. To the point they are literally charging in ahead of the soldiers, doesn't really fit. This isn't just front line journalism, its front of the front. I don't think breach squad will have 50% of their squad made up of idiots with cameras. No one checks on Lee when she's hit (she was wearing a vest too) President is cornered, so he isn't going anywhere. No reflection on Jesse that she got Lee killed. Military listens to a random journalist over their orders. Also, ignoring the bunker was moronic. Literally, he cannot be prevented from getting to it. You access it IN the White House. Its fully equipped, he would be in there the moment the enemy to DC. Its fully equipped, food, logistics, even broadcast.
Yeah, the bunker is a standout issue but it's also one they likely had to ignore for plotting purposes. As far as Jesse not reflecting, that was entirely the point. She barely looked back at her. They were showing the dehumanizing that Lee had felt now "transferred" to Jesse. Regarding the press going in so closely with the soldiers, yeah. It's kind of a balancing act. This is a movie, after all. You sort of have to bring the audience along with the main characters. But it's also the case that the Western Forces dialogue at a few points made it quite clear why they wanted the press along for the assault.
I agree. Jesse turned into an adrenaline junkie. Lee had a meltdown, which was never addressed, sadly. They didn't wear helmets like their journalist counterparts... The ending was messy. Lee's death was foreshadowed earlier, so I knew she wasn't going to make it, but how she stood there in the line of fire was so goofy. I get it, save Jesse but save yourself, too. The movie had nothing to do with Civil War, per se. The war was in the background. There could have just as well been an alien invasion.
I don't think you understood the movie. And, I believe you were expecting something more inline with John Wick, where action is constantly dangled in front of your face like keys. The press/war photographers are doing exactly what they do in reality. They do jump in front of stuff, and, yes! They do expire. I enjoyed the characters! They felt real, they actually reacted to d*ath, unlike most movies where such a serious thing is typically glazed over with little to sometimes absolutely no thought. I'm an action junkie. I absolutely love watching people fight, and try to beat each other in combat! But, with the action taking a backseat in this film, I found that to be really effective. Guns going off have weight behind them. It's loud, it's scary. A breath of fresh air!
@@ShaneyBright Yeah, if this was a TV series I would have felt like I either missed episodes or they had to rush to finish it because they didn't get renewed for a second season.
The ending... yeah. It just was like they didn't know how to end it so they just killed someone off and tried to make it more metaphorical than it should have been.
For anyone with a historical mindset, however, the ending image is thematic. It's the whole basis of iconic war photography, which is why the last scene is shown as a photograph.
Yup. I was okay with the rest of the movie. Like, it had me legitimately angry because I couldn’t stand most of the characters, but I thought that was the point. I thought they were supposed to be unlikable because something was going to be done with them later on. And then the ending happens and it just feels like it wasted anything they could’ve actually done with the characters.
@@absurdh3rohe’s definitely more educated than you are! Cali and Texas have a huge Military presence!! Ofcourse they would unite to fight off a fascist 3 term president! Or let me Guess you’re perfectly fine with presidents keeping themselves in power?
@@Cund if we are talking so it current real life politics nope I don’t pledge allegiance to the current or last idiot. They both were my presidents and I criticized and gave them credit when due. But we are definitely talking about a fictional movie right? A movie that upset yall because it didn’t mention politics 🤣
The one thing about the movie is that it's kinda clear that Garland doesn't really know much about American politics. Hell, his interview recently more or less proved it.
Considering the amount of US politics that we here in Ireland and Britain grow up with, it's a bit rich saying that he doesn't know much about American politics. One of the first things that American ex-pats abroad typically say is that they didn't realise how little they knew about America until they left it, closely followed by commenting on how much - and how broad - international coverage of US politics there is out here in the Everywhere Else On The Planet.
@@vercoda9997 no, but he's right. The movie is exciting, but it is wholly ignorant of American society. This movie is pure fantasy. An exciting fantasy, but a fantasy nonetheless.
Don’t think this movie was based on current US politics! 🤣 you do realize it’s fantasy? A US in a whole different universe They have their own political BS going on that wasn’t even mentioned But yall definitely wanted your current favorite political party mentioned huh
@@deenaprice1524 Jesus christ people. It is not "ignorant" of American politics, it's DELIBERATELY obfuscating the root cause of the civil war as depicted in the movie so it CAN'T be used by any real-world faction to beat the other over the head with. This demonstrates a very competent understanding of the US political landscape. He's trying to make a cautionary tale that can be viewed by as many people as possible, and he's succeeded... although there's still the weirdo group of people such as you two who can't understand that he's done this, can't detach from reality, can't realise this movie is about *A* civil war that _might_ happen in _some_ America and not *THE* civil war that _could_ happen in _real_ America. Come on. Join us at the adults' table. I promise it's fun up here.
@@johnnypopstar succeeded? Competent? Cautionary tale? No, lol! The ONLY way to enjoy this film is to detach from reality. That's how far away it is from understanding American society. Alex Garland said it himself that he had picked a side, and it was obvious. There were too many crumbs to follow. You would have to be outing yourself as a non-American to come away with your conclusion.
As someone else said in comments, I think Joe should include OJ and Alex's ratings on screen as well. We all have different opinions and they're your friends at the end of the day. Don't just dismiss theirs. Make them feel more involved Could have AJ x/10 OJx/10 Alex x/10 On screen. Something small goes a long way
Garland's mentioning nothing of the sort in any interviews, but he _did_ write this back in 2020 when they were still a prominent thing in news cycles, so it could be
This movie outlines what Liberals believe will happen if Trump gets re-elected and their resolve in thinking the country would turn on him. The dialog between the cast talking about the President serving a 3rd term and dissolving the FBI clearly parallels their concerns with what they believe he would do.
Exactly! It’s not even thinly veiled. It’s also pretty clear in the person that takes the main villain out in the final scene. You know what I’m talking about.
I know you don't follow politics that closely, so you get a pass on that aspect of this film. The filmmaker absolutely chose a side, and the president was clearly being portrayed as a certain spray-tanned former POTUS.
It's almost like America needs an enemy to stop them from destroying itself. After the cold war Russia wanted to stop fighting and America just said no. They need someone to hate otherwise they hate themselves.
Not a chance. No states are united enough, separate enough, it powerful enough. In the mid 19th century, trains were the only thing connecting the vast distances. Now jets can cross America in 2 hours. There is zero chance of a civil war happening. You're either ignorant or fear mongering to say otherwise.
I thought it was brilliant. It reminds me of a realistic Christopher Nolan movie with hints of an Apocalypse Now style mission. The music took me to the post Vietnam Era. Many wanted to know the cause of the war but the context of the war is not important. Most Americans (except the naive) know how this could happen.
I’m glad u enjoyed it but this is the first movie in my life I’ve seen where I fully burst out laughing in the theatre due to the stupidity of a certain scene at the very end, I’m sure u can guess which one
You’re joking right? Literally both sides are the exact same. You say you like this, I say I like the opposite just to spite you. I say I like this, you say the opposite to spite me. Everyone makes a ton of money, we the people suffer.
Obviously you’re either too dense OR you just get your opinions from everyone else. Watch the film. The characters don’t need to literally tell you what they think about journalism. Let the film speak.
they are meant as a framing device, but it's such a badly written film because it's meant to push a political narrative. The writers don't let basic facts or even their own setting get in their way of that narrative.
I was expecting an All-Out Balls to the Wall Red Dawn Style War Film Sadly I didn’t get that It’s well crafted but falls way short of the mark And the Ending was Honestly Horrendous it’s quite literally like they ran out of ideas or funding 3/10 for me
They couldn’t do that type of film because that would require a clear good/bad guy and since we know this is Hollywood we know who’d be the bad guy. Movie would probably bomb. 😂
I could not even get mad at the movie. If anything, frustration and disappointment were all I felt. The trailer did not spark anger out of me like it did for many, but rather laughter. It almost felt like it wanted to be a satire, like a newer and proper Verhoeven-style _Starship Troopers._ Keyword, though: "could," because it did not. Yes, I found the premise to be absolutely dumb. Yes, hearing that Texas and California teamed up was what spurred the laughter out of me. No, it was not a problem that they ran with the premise. The problem, or at least the biggest problem, was _how_ they ran with the premise. I am not going to claim that I could have made a better movie, and that is because I have no filmmaking skills, but I _do_ know that there are much better ways to run with the premise. The fact that they went with possibly the worst approaches on various aspects - and no, it being straight-faced (or what it considers to be straight-faced) was not a problem - just ruins what good work was put into it. Going back to my first point, look at it this way, and feel free to reply with answers to these questions: 1) Have you seen Verhoeven's _Starship Troopers_ movie? Did you like it or not? 2) Have you seen any of the other _Starship Troopers_ movies (yeah, there are others)? 3) If yes to 2), which do you remember more: Verhoeven's or any of these other ones? I'll give my answers to my questions: 1) Yes, and it is one of my favorite movies (not as good as Robocop if you want to limit it to Verhoeven movies, but still up there). 2) Yes, I have, both the numbered sequels and the CGI ones. 3) Verhoeven's, hands down, because the others, especially the CGI ones, *_sucked;_* I even gave the CGI ones the benefit of the doubt and saw them as being attempts at being more faithful or supportive of Heinlein's book, but that only made them even worse. Because of all of this, I have much less trouble with recalling anything specific from Verhoeven's, whereas I cannot recall anything specific from the others. That is all this movie is to me: a live-action version of those CGI _Starship Troopers_ movies, in that everything looks and sounds good enough, but the whole brings it all down and hard. This movie is not worth your time or your money.
Texas and California teaming up would not be the oddest thing that's happened in human history when it comes to war. Also keep in mind two obvious points: (1) it kept the film from focusing on partisan issues and (2) it indicated how bad things must be. Also keep in mind the Western Forces were just one part of this. The New People's Army (9 states) was much larger than the Texas / California alliance. The Florida Alliance (8 states) was similarly bigger.
@@JeffNyman First off, while I said that the premise is dumb, I never said that it is impossible. I can see an alliance between Texas and California possibly happening, but the way the movie went is not a likely one. Second, an issue is partisan if a side regarding it is explicitly tied to a party, and these days, it is nigh-impossible for an issue to _not_ be partisan. That said, a party does not need to be named. The issue(s) can be named, but the party behind the side(s) mentioned does not need to be included. There are some things that the audience can fill in the blanks about for the themselves, and if an audience thinks of one party or another regarding the side(s) of the issue(s) and then raises some sort of stink about it, that is on the audience, not the film. Third, this war was supposedly going on long enough that the reason(s) for it was largely forgotten. Well, wouldn't that be something that the film could run on? It is supposed to be about how important journalists are, right? Well, shouldn't at least one be trying to find out? They do not need to actually discover what started it, let alone use it to stop the war (nevermind whether or not they succeed at that), but instead, it might as well be saying, "It's better to be a propaganda mouthpiece than a journalist." Another critic that I subscribe to and watch put it this way: "This is not a movie about journalism, but about filmmaking, that it is _filmmakers_ that are important." Yeah, that makes a very big difference. Fourth, would the other state alliances even matter? The film may not be "focusing on partisan issues," but if you know anything about the various states, one look at the map that Joe brought up should be enough to tell you how they are not getting involved. As for the film not being partisan, the "New People's Army" for the northwestern states is quite the partisan label. I do not ask for Joe to delve into political stuff, but as a fellow Texan like him, I know damn well what Texas would think about the states in the other alliances as well as California. More importantly, if you know anything about the states in the other alliances, then you know that they ain't doing anything more than Texas or California - if anything at all. And as for the Florida Alliance specifically, that is just an attempt at bringing in the Confederacy 2.0, and the map shows it. I could go on, but these show that your points do not quite hold up. Just to reiterate, I have no problem at all with the movie running with its dumb premise, but how they ran with it puts it on the same level as the CGI _Starship Troopers_ movies.
@@DavidRichardson153You went on a tangent that had nothing to do with what the guy said, even going as far as to act as if the other guy was making any points at all - when they're weren't, they were just correcting you. Take a break.
@@Cund "...if the guy was making any points at all - which they weren't, they were just correcting you." And how is that not a point, exactly? Then again, it looks like you don't know what a tangent is either. Maybe try _not_ taking a break.
@@DavidRichardson153 the last 3 paragraphs had nothing to do with what the guy said. Is it still related to the film as a whole? Yeah, but is it related to what the guy said? Absolutely not, dude never even brought up the pov of the film. And, tbh, I think I was trolling because the guy also wasn't even correcting you, he just assumed you found the premise "the oddest thing in the world" and explained why it's not really, along with his second "point" being unrelated Not as weird as you just making a long comment that ultimately concluded with "Yeah, this film sucked lol" because you didn't actually say what was wrong with the film, you just said it was bad and compared it to other films without making an actual argument.
Joe spends his time on his knees for movies like this. Alex brings facts. Knowing the characters are stupid for half of the film lets me know to save my money.
Well I mean, Joe is media literate and Alex is so media illterate and stupid that he doesn't know what a metaphor is or how a "dumb decision" in a movie says something about the core theme. But go off, lets make sure all our characters are perfect and have no flaws because movies are just a robotic excercise in watching people do shit correctly.
Alex is 100 percent right, and he was not harsh enough. This movie was a complete false advertisement. This movie is not a war movie, it is a photography field trip. Not only is the movie neutral, it is less than neutral - if there was such a thing. A movie about another civil war that doesn’t make ANY commentary?! It SAYS nothing, it makes NO point, it’s a fat nothing. There are two different scenes where characters within the movie point out that “guy shoots other guy. Who that is? I don’t know.” A movie about another civil war should piss you off, tug at your heartstrings, or inspire you to think about whether it could actually happen. This movie fails at all of these things. Disappointment.
Yup, and this movie did piss me off, but for all of the wrong reasons. It’s supposed to get you invested in what’s actually going on, but that was the least significant part of the movie, despite the movie being called Civil War.
Don't blame the movie for your lack of knowledge. Alex Garland doesn't just make action movies. Nor does A24. Even then, trailer/plot literally tells you that you'd be following journalists through this. You wanted a cod movie?
This movie was absolutely terrible. -boring -slow -unlikeable characters -dumb -the press as main characters ugh -don’t show anything and informed with dialogue more This was just another social event movie similar to “don’t look up”and “leave the world behind” tho this is by far the worst one. At least the other two were entertaining. This was a 4/10 for me and I watch a ton of movies and I usually like most movies but this was so mehh. It could’ve been better. Now Jessie, cailee spaeny is the best part about the movie and was fun and she was cute in this... like damn. While Act 3 was cool the ending was so dumb af. The way she just risk it standing in the middle and than after the scene we just move on after the shoot….like what! Just ends like what!
Was everybody fooled by that trailer except me. I knew right away what kind of movie this was going to be. I warned my friends not to expect a lot of action. But they didn't listen and they were disappointed
I have informed the president, your medal is on its way to you as we speak. *pat pat* on the back Good job, you are very smart and you told us so, you are a winner champ, gold star.
For anyone who hasn’t seen the movie yet: this is a profoundly anti-war movie about war journalism and the horrors of war. The conflict itself is largely irrelevant. A lot of people went in expecting an Expendables type movie and came out disappointed because of it.
I slightly disagree. It did document the loss of humanity in the middle of a war... but the message seemed to be saying that the cost is worth it in order to get rid of a particular leader.
Humanity needs to understand something, especially these anti-war movie makers and anti-war people in general... for as long as humans exists, there will always be war.
I think towards the end with the presidential limo, trying to escape was not only a ruse… But a woman who’s very nicely dressed, gets out and gets shot immediately. I think it’s implied that it may have been the president’s wife trying to escape desperately.
I thought this was fantastic. I think keeping the details of the war secret made it more fascinating. None of it matters. What matters is how it affects civilians caught in the crossfire.
My wife and I watched it tonight, and we both absolutely loved it. I'd like to see it again soon. There hasn't been that much publicity of it in the UK, and it was its premiere day today, and we found ourselves been the only 2 in the entire screen haha. That made it even better.
Envious! Over at the O2 I had to sit next to a bloke narrating the whole goddamn thing ;_; His own wife/girlfriend kept trying to shush him but nope, I got to be made aware of his reaction to every single scene in the film. Lucky me!
Disregarding other issues one might have with the movie, to dismiss it solely because of Texas and California working together, people should remember that the United States and the Soviet Union managed to work together, for a time.
It’s the fault of the filmmaker for lack of exposition. The alliance was a hasty one of convenience and they said they would fall apart as soon as the 3rd term villain was disposed. They’re just taking out a common enemy that could take them both out independently.
The fact that there are people fucking stupid enough to think the few thousand brain dead people on twitter in California who actually despise Texas and vice versa are so common, that in a real Civil war they wouldn't get along or attempt to work together so much so that doing so is "unrealistic", is someone who watches too many movies and doesn't understand how things work..
True but the other issues were enormous. Forget about enumerating them and leave it at - this film was a top ten bore. There is a message but I doubt many were awake to get to it.
I felt like we walked around and watched dumb people put themselves in danger for pictures with little to no tension until the second half of the movie and then it ends after the jobs done and i felt like it took forever to make me care or the importance of why these pictures matter. I felt they didnt go as hard as they could and played it safe. I understand we dont want another purge so its ok they didnt go deep but they could have and i feel that would have made more of an impact
The Orange man would need to take some additional steps. States would definitely assert more rights. The West Coast could very easily shrug off odd mandates.
4/10 it's about annoying girl who gets everyone killed by trying to take pictures. LMAO when the bullets got loud was I supposed to feel like I am there? 😂😂😂
@@deenaprice1524 More than that cuh! Those two guys that are racing down the highway get killed because she decides to hop into another car while speeding and the gets lost only to get captured. Ive pretty much seen every movie released this year and this one was just annoying the hell out of me.
I doubt Canada would be doing okay economically if it lost its biggest trade partner. In reality gold, silver, ammo, and seeds/food would be used as currency.
@@angelgjr1999 Some people keep saying that if the US ceased to exist, the rest of the world will follow but do these same people forget that the world existed long before and will continue to exist long after the US? Another nation will take the reins and will usher in a new era. Humans are resilient and will manage.
Completely agree with the sound design, I watched it twice once in a normal 2D screening then in IMAX 2D, the sound is night and day. If you can afford to I would highly recommend spending the extra money for IMAX.
In terms of this film being about war correspondents it's quite accurate. There's a great documentary about the battle of fallujah by PBS that this movie almost mirrors. War journalists are a big issue for warfighters and have cause marines and army personnel to die on multiple occasions because as shown in this movie they are more focused on getting the story. War journalism is an interest of mine and something I wanted to do growing up so looking at this film it's quite accurate for how those people would act in these situations
@@AngryDad.Who was the former president that threatened to defund the FBI when he was investigated, and caused an actual insurrection on January 6th? trump
@angelgjr1999 An InSuRrEcTiOn, okay buddy, an insurrection from 2A loving people and not a single firearm was brought? That don't really make sense, if it was an insurrection alot of people would've been dead and ground would've been taken and held and then demands would've been made. It went from a protest to basically a less violent riot
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Ron Swanson’s a dictator!? This movie is truly the darkest Parks & Recreation timeline.
Leslie Knope - war criminal
@@willroberts3991 Imagine a Days of Future Past cover with the Parks & Rec cast. 😂
Ron Swanson as President and dictator?? I think you mean the BEST timeline….
But he hates government
Offerman thinks that people won't recognize him just because he dyed his hair grey and not wearing that stupid mustache
OJ: Im more american than he is!
Alex: Not by volume.
🤣
Other joe couldn’t be more right
🤣🤣
Alex spitting FIRE.
@@novaprime2297 Alex is a dweeb
whos more American Mexican heritage or Europeans background ?
You know it’s a fantasy film when Texas and California are on the same side.
Well I suspect neither would care for a third term president.
Actually Austin and California are way more alike then youd think..
@@combatwombat2134^😂
The whole point was to avoid politicizing the movie. It was more about “war in America” with the catalyst being a shitty president so bad that TX and CA would team up against him
@@commanderkei9537 Nah, they just changed it so that people would think they didn’t just make a far left fever dream. Check the early maps they released. Cali and Texas weren’t a “team”.
“I’m a meat popsicle“
No finer words exist
I have the shiniest meat bicycle
Lilu Dallas Multipass
Ah, Borderlands and the Fifth Element - two of my favorites!
"SMOKE YOOOUUU!!!"
"Wrong answer..."
Joe: What kind of American?
OJ: Anglo-Saxon.
🤣 🤣
I'm a dumb American can I go now?
@@bluejayfan5584Yes. You can go. Can't get any more American than that.
Other Joe is sooo not Anglo-Saxon, please correct me if I'm wrong, I encourage being educated.
@@jonfarrah Other Joe is super Anglo Saxon ^_^
@@danielsmithiv1279 Nah! OJ's a loveable Latino not a Germanic Settler to Britain in the 5th Century 🤭
Joe recently discovered the word harrowing and he’s fucking stoked about it.
Hopefully he learns that it's pronounced like arrow rather than morrow.
@@emperorlelouch8515 Hopefully he'll learn it tomarrow
Trust in the alogorithm.
Hark, hark! The harrowing hearken harks!
@@emperorlelouch8515 Morrowind FTW!
It wasn't a movie. It was the longest Ford Excursion commercial ever.
Hey that truck deserves it.
Yea that truck was cool 😎 although on the chase scene they went "we are not going to outrun them on this"
thought i saw a land rover badge
Take a drink every time Joe mispronounced the word “harrowing”.
instant 💀
A very horrowing drinking game
Thank you my G 🙏🏼
Not surprised.
this made me chuckle XD
Joe, just a slight critique for reviews. I think you should start showing OJ’s and Alex’s ratings along side yours. Or at least an average of the three. It just seems like, regardless of what they rate it, your rating is the only one that matters. It’s the AngryJoe show of course, but if they’re participating, let them…participate 😅.
Agreed, take the average of the 3
I wouldn't do an average, they all have different viewpoints so it would dilute the individuals scores, but yeah just put all 3 scores up there so people who have similar tastes to either OJ, Alex or AJ can decide.
But then Joe wouldn’t be able to overrate terrible shows for views D:
It’s the AngryJoeShow dumbass. They participate plenty by being given his platform to voice their opinions. Angry Joe’s opinion is the only that matters because it’s his show. That’s why we’re all here watching the show.
Don't they say their scores in the video? Do we need a visual component?
A line from Schindlers List that has always stuck with me is “War brings out the worst in people. Never the good. Always the bad. ALWAYS the bad!” I feel that it applies very much in Civil War.
War makes good people better and bad people worse.
It's pure survival. The training is just to stop you from getting stunned locked mid fight.
Remember Germany did this at the start of the war they divided all groups. Regardless how we feel for each other divided we are lost. Don't be a sucker
@@werpe2121 It makes good people dead.
Couldnt agree more. This is the point of the film in my opinion. Getting hung up on tactical decisions during action scenes is missing the whole point.
There's a really thought provoking part of Civil War where Lee is talking about how she hoped the war stories she covered and sent back to the US would be seen as things not to do. She hoped those stories would show people how not to act.
And yet here they were.
i think the best part of the movie is that they clearly show that there are absolutely no rules in a civil war. Criminals strung up tortured and killed, unarmed, captured and injured soldiers getting executed, innocent civilians getting killed. it’s very accurate as to what the brutality of a civil war actually is
*war. Not just civil wars. Just because Americans don't do these things in the wars we fight today doesn't mean this isn't rampant around the globe. We're sheltered.
@@josephpayton7522beat me to it
@@josephpayton7522also Americans do that shit. You just don’t hear about it.
@@funkrobot9762 some Americans have. Not the same, dumdum.
@@funkrobot9762 Yep. Nobody thinks *their* army does these things, but if we were all correct about that then it'd never happen. Clearly, happens all the time. Kinda of a hard pill to swallow when you first realise this
When people say "this film is absurd, Texas and California together is absurd", considering that in the real world the US and USSR made a pragmatic alliance less than 100 years ago to defeat Nazism in World War II, I don't know if it's a diagnosis that American society is in fact very divided, or that basic history education is very bad
The Soviet Union was literally helping the Nazi's through the Molotov Ribbentrop pact and traded oil with them up until Germany backstabbed them, THEN they joined the allies, and even then both acted behind eachothers backs. Not the best comparison.
You think society was as polarised back then? Views weren't so deeply entrenched. Your election is the best example. So much has happened and the needle barely moves. You don't change... There is no fucking way in hell that texans would work with Californians on this level. No fucking way in the 2020s.
@andrewrogers3067 We know that from later analysis of the conflict and actions leading up to it. The movie's POV characters aren't in the know, and the conflict in the film is ongoing. It's a perfect comparison.
Also completely missing the point. The alliances are arbitrary lines to serve the character driven plot. If you're analysing the alliance, you're missing the point.
More like enemy of my enemy kind of thing. We did absolutely zero cooperation through the war. One of the main reasons we nuked Japan was so we could ensure we would be the ones doing the rebuilding. Many instances of that during the European front as well.
Jesse Plemons is one of the best "psychopath" actors in the world. Not saying he can't convey emotion, but damn can he make you believe he'll kill you without a second thought.
My first time seeing him was CSI, and then next time I really noticed him was Breaking Bad; cold as ice.
“This guy is your colleague? … that guy?”
My interpretation of Lee was that in subtle ways she started to desire to really live again, and enjoy a more regular life. It's subtle.. the wearing of the dress, her comments on the town, the way she stared at the flowers during the sniper scene, etc. I think she wasn't scared in the final battle because she was cracking under mental pressure, but because she wanted to live and therefore the risk became all too real to her again.
I don’t think she wanted to die at any point she was just weary of life or to be more clear she was weary of death and violence. She’s a war correspondent that knows that showing the truth is important but she feels that she failed to warn them enough to prevent the current war. She sees the young girl with the vim and vigor to take the images that need to be seen. She knows the road ahead is hard and doesn’t want that future for her. When she realizes that the girl won’t be stopped she tries to help her eventually leading to her sacrifice.
38:50 - There actually is a reason why Jessie steps in to the line of fire. The movie tells us that reason, subtly but unmistakenly. Jessie decides to cross the hallway because that is what Lee was doing before. She was trying to follow her lead. Lee did that crossing the hallway manouver couple of times during the raid and Jesse saw that. The problem is Lee knew when to do it (notice non of the soldiers scream at Lee) because she's clearly done this before, She's been to wars, she's seen sh....t in her life as fronline journalist. Lee knew what she was doing. Jessie on the other hand was jus walking into the line of fire without any thought (just adrenaline driven newby behavior - and soldiers discipline her all the time). We also can deduce that Lee actually knew what she was doing from the fact that the second Jesse steps out from the cover , Lee immidiatly knows she f...ed up. And runs to grab her. So yes Jessie acts stupid, but she acts stupid trying to be like Lee, not realizing that what Lee is doing is actually calculated and trained behaviour. And not just stepping into the line of fire without thought. Lee on the other hand in that moment lost her cool and detachment (she also just had a breakdown before the white hous raid - and before that, she deletes the picture of Sammys body representing the change in her). Because normally she would just take her camera and took a picture of Jessie being shot. But she got in the line of fire for Jessie (She also grew protective of the girl). And instead Jessie takes the picture of Lee's death, the very thing Lee would do up until this point. You guys watched the White house shoutout from the militaristic point of view and missed all of that. Because that scene really wasnt about the gun fight, The whole final act was about Lee's change, and Jessie's change. Lee changing from i have to take the picture no matter what to - not taking the picture in order to save someone. And Jessie changing from, should i take the picture and not help? To i should take the picture no matter what.
facts
Oh my god, you actually payed attentioned??
Sounds dumb
@@AngryDad. It's not, but the execution is. She just pushes her down and proceeds to stand there. She doesn't even try to stay down with Jessie, or at least move out the way: she literally just stands there.
@@Cundbecause she immediately got shot. You can see in the background that as Lee pushed her down the Secret Service were about to fire
Film: sides do not matter, in a war, civilians suffer
America: hey? Why my side not win?
lol true
There are no sides
@@AngryDad. lul wut?
@@functionatthejunction the people in power dont care about left or right... religious or not.. pro or anti abortion...
they care about money/power... they want you to stay just stupid enough to not get it.. but just smart enough so you can work for them untill you are 60
@@fonkyman Only one party does those thing, yes I mean I get you want to say both do but the facts just dont support that.
It's annoying when Joe doesn't like that OJ and Alex don't agree with him and dismisses their opinions.
Disagree
God forbid differing opinions exist. It gets pretty tiresome
We are just apes. The tribalistic mindset is unavoidable. But heres the thing. Alex often disagrees and are more critical than OJ and AJ. So kinda balances out
@@odinulveson9101 that's not the point, maybe if Alex responded in kind then it wouldn't be annoying but it seems to be a one way street
Alex doesn't like anything, and OJ loses attention on any film more than 100 minutes. AJ reviews what the film delivers.
the sound mix in an Imax theater is insane, those shots will make you jump.
Dolby was just as insane I’m sure. I was actually shook at the “what kind of American” scene because of how hard hitting the sounds were for the gun fire.
@@KidKingdomHearts only thing I can compare it to was the sound mix in Dunkirk.
I went to see it in DBox. Pretty cool experience. I had people behind me consuming popcorn like a vacuum though. Thankfully the movie got louder lol.
same effect in non imax
Na i like to watch my movies at the alamo draft house… way better experience
I don’t think the Hawaiian shirt guys were apart of a faction. I think we have “two” civil wars going on here.
One civil war is the federal government versus the established Western Forces and Florida Alliance.
The other civil war is the average citizens forming small bands of resistance exploiting the fractured federal government and just acting rogue.
interesting take, never thought about that but it makes alot of sense
"Orange sunglasses" ok... One of us has color issues because those glasses are fucking pink.
Maybe your local cinema needs to fix its projectors because the last colour on Earth those glasses are is _pink_
@@johnnypopstarno actually the glasses looked blue to me 😂
They're not orange and they're not pink, they are red. I saw the movie in a Dolby theater and the glasses were red. Watching the trailer on my TV confirms this.
Yall are both colorblind lol glasses be red bruv
Looked RED to me but the angle of the sun shining on them actually made them kind of distracting from the scene. Was more focused on trying to figure out the color of those glasses than what was going on. Would have been more effective if they were just ordinary dark-lensed glasses, but maybe they were GREEN??
“My hearts still beating”
You don’t say Joe!?
I thought it was extremely anticlimactic and unrealistic.
You never even see any meth addicts cutting off Catalytic converters on any of the cars
Like bro they really drove 900+ miles without anyone trying to steal their running truck filled with gas lol
Ya I felt the same way, not a single street lined with garbage, shit and tents. So unrealistic I couldn't even get into it.
@@nathanwho1384 they thought if they showed a JCPenney it would be real enough for us
It wasn’t realistic at all. Felt comically. In reality you’d see a bunch of invasions from foreign powers that took advantage of a broken US government.
@@InQuickWeTrustbecause they never stopped long enough for anyone to do that
I had no idea which side was which, what they were fighting for, or why they were fighting in the first place, but I guess that was partially the point
That was entirely the point.
@@vaporwave4880no, it was just a poorly written movie. The movie revolves around the PRESS, the main people who would know what's going on and why.
@@johnnylove2073 the press DO know what’s going on, it’s just not communicated to the audience. Because it’s irrelevant to the films message. That’s good writing.
@@vaporwave4880 that is perhaps the DUMBEST take I've ever heard
@@johnnylove2073 It is a cautionary tale about "civil war", or just "war", _in the general case_ , it is not, and is not trying to be, about some potentially realistic civil war scenario in our actual timeline. This is not hard to understand. It has just enough grounding so it's clear it's in a pseudo-realistic modern timeline that's closely related to where we are, while being vague enough so that no real American political faction can mouthbreathingly point at it and go "see! other side bad! this movie is propaganda against other side!".
The real magic trick is that Garland kept it vague while _also_ not engaging in BothSidesism. Doesn't use the word Democrat or Republican once and, other than pointing to some _obvious_ actions that _would_ be potential lead ups to such a scenario ("dissolving the FBI", "third presidential term") it steers clear of direct commentary on current American politics entirely. If you, dear viewer, happen to notice that some real-world political figure has also expressed similar such desires (for dissolving departments and/or installing themselves as god-king for life) then perhaps have a think about _why those are bad things_ instead of mouthbreathingly pointing at the film and accusing it of taking sides.
Leaving a harrowing comment on this harrowing review created by harrowing reviewers.
What a profoundly harrowing response
Literally death kneeling rn
Opening scene with suicide bomber leading to no audio was perfectly done..my theater was so dead silent you could hear a pin drop
Everyone brings up TX and Cali, but I thought the most unrealistic part of the movie was journalists being impartial.
I feel like he has a Word of the Day calendar and today’s word was “harrowing.” 🤦🏻
Dudes also color blind apparently cuz those sun glasses were obviously red … like bright blood red. Not orange.
Is harrowing considered an obscure word?
The movie is politically neutral to a british liberal.
Correct.
It’s obvious the president was trump. Lol
@@angelgjr1999how?
@@angelgjr1999no it wasn’t. Ffs stop with the trump victimisation complex.
I saw this coming, and even having never seen it, I just have a hard time believing a political movie like this can be made unbiasely at this current time in history. So I'm looking for more details to know just how badly annoyed I'll be watching it.
The Hawaiian shirt dudes are a reference to the boogaloo boys
Ah good catch...thought their clothes were a bit overtly silly for portraying a plainclothes militia but now it makes sense haha
Yeah, how did they missed that. Those guys are wellknown
Joe, i completely disagree the whole film lacks any real context for any of the 'seriousness' to have any weight and graboty behind it and it just makes the forced "look photographing all the atrocities and how brutal things are" feel so disingeniuous. Also as a vet, lemme tell you no journalist would ever be up a units ass like that let alone drag them around the battle.
You mean trained and battle-hardened soldiers don't follow and take orders from journalists during a fire-fight?
Good sir, I think Hollywood knows better than you /sarcasm
@@tacitus6384 Obviously, they have more money than me. 😂
In this case they made it clear why the Western Forces wanted the press along so much; it was stated at three points which I thought was well done, since each instance made it clearer what the agenda was. We actually do get a lot of context in the film for what happened, but it's distributed in various comments. We know there was the Western Forces, the New People's Army, the Florida Alliance and the Loyalist States. We learn about some of the trigger events that likely caused the fractures as well.
@@JeffNyman one off comments do not really provide enough unfortunately. Its the inverse of the expression seeing the 'forest for the trees', you see one or two trees but somehow miss theres a vast jungle behind it. Unfortunately this isn't dark souls, films cannot sprinkle 3 bread crumbs of context and expect the viewer to know the story. This is the problem i have with a lot of a24's films, some are pretty well done but others feign artistry when its really halfbaked drama. Not the worst thing I've seen, characters aren't bad or anything but w/o a solid narrative or a way to ground you in reality its just hollow.
Right? That was driving me crazy watching the movie. These absolute randos show up to these real conflicts where people are killing each other to photograph everything, and I’m just like “You’re not helping. You’re just extra bodies that these people now have to worry about and protect, and you’re literally getting in the way, and they’re just totally okay with all of this.” It was so insane.
I'm surprised the President was drag from behind the desk, didn't all the Hollywood movies informed us that the White House has a panic room or bunker hidden beneath the round presidential seal?
"Anglo-Saxon" lmaooo I'm dead
Also W.A.S.P. which stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️he knew the assignment
@@Black-And-WhiteWorldview8488never knew that’s what that meant
@@angelgjr1999 Now you know
I never felt the tactics were an issue because, in my mind, I figured that things would be more guerilla and chaotic in this setting. This movie also clearly has the bones of Apocalypse Now and they did something similar. It serves thematic purpose imo.
Its amazing how cluesless, either by lack of knowledge or trying to hide it, Joes is about pieces of this movie and what they symbolize.
Yeah hes angry joe not intelligent joe LOL
Yes, so many thigs flew over thieir heads it is actually amazing. Not to be misunderstood I love to AJ and the guys and have a great laugh with them most the times. but man this one was painfull to watch.
@telfer3388 Meanwhile neither of you make an attempt to actually explain what you're referring to 🤷♂️
Not even a single example
@@KaneMeadowsGaming Example. The guys are saying that in the final raid Jessie acts stupid and for no reason steps out of cover. When in fact there is a reason. It;s just not explained by exposition but is shown through charactesa actions and careful editing. The reason Jesse steps out from her cover to take a picture is because she wants to be like Lee. How do we know that? Besides The whole journey where there are hints sprinkled throught the movie. In this scene alone We can see that Lee is getting out of cover by crossing the hallways in order to take the picture. Jessie sees that and tries to be like Lee. What she does not understad is that Lee knows what she's doing and knows when to make her move. Why do we know that ? because movie tells us that Lee is cold and calculating and extremly experienced in this kind of thing by her reporting on numerous coflicts throught out her life. Jessie on the other hand is a newby and mimick's Lee's action but not understandng that what Lee is doing is calculated and Jessie just steps out to the open driven by adrenaline and just being reckless. One hint is the fact that none of the soldiers scream at Lee but Jessie in being constatnly disciplined by the soldiers not to get in line of fire. So there is a reason why Jessie steps out. the reason is, She wants to be like Lee.
@@telfer3388 Perfect explanation, and I have no arguments. I just think if you're going to call someone out and tell them they're wrong then you should at least explain why.
So thank you for typing all that out and also not being rude
I think if Joe actually let Alex speak we'd have gotten a more accurate Final Verdict from him.
No, Alex is a moron.
Thank God the other two pushed back on Joe about this movie. Absolutely STUPID decisions by characters throughout, HORRIBLE MUSIC choices for certain scenes, NO IN DEPTH STORY, terrible ending. This movie gets a 5 from me, at the highest. The only scene I really liked was with the dude in the shades and all the bodies. Could've been SO MUCH better. I gotta say, I've agreed with Joe on nearly every game review of his, but to me he often misses the mark on movies. This movie was complete MID.
> HORRIBLE MUSIC choices for certain scenes
The juxtaposition of upbeat '70s/'80s pop music with the harrowing visuals was there _specifically_ and _deliberately_ to feel jarring and make you feel uneasy. It was the entire point. So, perhaps you didn't realise it, but your discomfort was Garland's efforts actually working.
@@johnnypopstar discomfort is not even close to the right word. Let me here you defend the absolute STUPIDITY of the switching vehicles through the window at high speeds scene now? Since you seem determined to defend this complete waste of time and money....
@@johnnypopstar you all over this thread arguing for this craptastic A24 offering....you don't happen to work for them do you? How old are you? I imagine if I was 13 I would've enjoyed this more.
@@johnnylove2073 a child who can't understand deliberately odd choices in films trying to accuse someone else of being 13. Beautiful.
@@johnnypopstar I bet you think bad games are making "deliberate" choices too? Not just that some game designers/writers suck?
This movie seems like a cash grab, you wanted to capitalize on American political divides but also wanted to avoid it and act like it somehow doesn’t matter. This movie had no balls.
You're projecting
I agree with Alex (under the 10 min mark specifically). There was not enough context to get me interested in the characters or the war for that matter but not just for the first half but a majority of not all of the film for me personally 😭
Thought the characters development was pretty on point, all the characters were distinctive and we could see what was driving them.
Those gunshots were insane. Made me jump a few times. The dolby theatre I was in was getting near 100 decibels
No ones gonna bring up that terrible soundtrack that killed all the tension EVERY.SINGLE.TIME 😂
Not to mention they really didnt dive deep into the causes of a potential civil war other than tiny tid bits of info glossed through. Jessie really ruined it altogether, we did not need her. And by the end shes dodging bullets behind marines taking shots of the action....what....what...not to mention she gets no repercussions for getting the bitch killed just onto the next shot, are you joking. Film had a couple spots of reality. The rest was a borefest and very unrealistic. This could have been soo good and relevant for the times. Everyone is talking about a civil war, and yet you fumble with an idea everyone is interested in seeing
Did you just spoil the ending in the first three minutes of the video?!
Possibly
No
No, but possibly
Joe you really gotta stop spouting “military tactics”, like you actually understand military tactics. Strategy games do not make you a tactician.
Or being Texan. 😂
Wait .. it don't? .. crap.
Hahaha foreal I was thinking the same thing
Being a Pog doesn't either
I wasn't impressed with this movie.
I found the background of what is going on more interesting the plot.
I also don't know how this was tagged action epic / action.
Jesse threw me off, maybe I'm just getting old, I just kept thinking, 23, she looks more like 13 (which is wild since she was actually 23 when this was filmed) its just she looks too young to play that age (ironically)
Alex's point is mainly my core criticism. There isn't enough about the characters or about the events to make me satisfied with them movie.
I also find the behavior of the journalists to be a little too excessive, it doesn't fit how they actually are. To the point they are literally charging in ahead of the soldiers, doesn't really fit. This isn't just front line journalism, its front of the front. I don't think breach squad will have 50% of their squad made up of idiots with cameras.
No one checks on Lee when she's hit (she was wearing a vest too) President is cornered, so he isn't going anywhere.
No reflection on Jesse that she got Lee killed.
Military listens to a random journalist over their orders.
Also, ignoring the bunker was moronic. Literally, he cannot be prevented from getting to it. You access it IN the White House. Its fully equipped, he would be in there the moment the enemy to DC. Its fully equipped, food, logistics, even broadcast.
Great Points
I felt exactly the same
I was a little bored tbh
Yeah, the bunker is a standout issue but it's also one they likely had to ignore for plotting purposes. As far as Jesse not reflecting, that was entirely the point. She barely looked back at her. They were showing the dehumanizing that Lee had felt now "transferred" to Jesse. Regarding the press going in so closely with the soldiers, yeah. It's kind of a balancing act. This is a movie, after all. You sort of have to bring the audience along with the main characters. But it's also the case that the Western Forces dialogue at a few points made it quite clear why they wanted the press along for the assault.
I agree. Jesse turned into an adrenaline junkie. Lee had a meltdown, which was never addressed, sadly. They didn't wear helmets like their journalist counterparts... The ending was messy.
Lee's death was foreshadowed earlier, so I knew she wasn't going to make it, but how she stood there in the line of fire was so goofy. I get it, save Jesse but save yourself, too.
The movie had nothing to do with Civil War, per se. The war was in the background. There could have just as well been an alien invasion.
I don't think you understood the movie. And, I believe you were expecting something more inline with John Wick, where action is constantly dangled in front of your face like keys.
The press/war photographers are doing exactly what they do in reality. They do jump in front of stuff, and, yes! They do expire.
I enjoyed the characters! They felt real, they actually reacted to d*ath, unlike most movies where such a serious thing is typically glazed over with little to sometimes absolutely no thought.
I'm an action junkie. I absolutely love watching people fight, and try to beat each other in combat! But, with the action taking a backseat in this film, I found that to be really effective. Guns going off have weight behind them. It's loud, it's scary.
A breath of fresh air!
@@ShaneyBright Yeah, if this was a TV series I would have felt like I either missed episodes or they had to rush to finish it because they didn't get renewed for a second season.
The ending... yeah. It just was like they didn't know how to end it so they just killed someone off and tried to make it more metaphorical than it should have been.
It just didn’t work
The ending pulls the rug
I hated it
For anyone with a historical mindset, however, the ending image is thematic. It's the whole basis of iconic war photography, which is why the last scene is shown as a photograph.
Yup. I was okay with the rest of the movie. Like, it had me legitimately angry because I couldn’t stand most of the characters, but I thought that was the point. I thought they were supposed to be unlikable because something was going to be done with them later on. And then the ending happens and it just feels like it wasted anything they could’ve actually done with the characters.
The ending felt Tarantino-ish to me.
That's why I also gave it a 7 (same as Alex). It would've been at least a 9 if it didn't end in a thud.
The best part was when spiderman arrived
It's pizza time!
Spider man would put sand in the presidents eye
Spider-Mans gonna fix that damn door
especially when captain America got hit in the head by ANTIFA
Are you American Joe?
Lmao
No, he's Angry Joe.
no he's a democrat
@@ArchangelExile No he's an angry joe...
Well he's not Samoa Joe
Texas and California on the same side? This is definitely a fantasy movie.
No really as the federal Gov literally wants to control both sides and is doing Intel warfare to achieve it IRL.
what you expect from a british director who has a cable tv news understanding of american politics.
@@absurdh3rohe’s definitely more educated than you are! Cali and Texas have a huge
Military presence!! Ofcourse they would unite to fight off a fascist 3 term president! Or let me
Guess you’re perfectly fine with presidents keeping themselves in power?
@@Nightshade1881I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they're on board with it if it's a certain person that they're more than ok with.
@@Cund if we are talking so it current real life politics nope
I don’t pledge allegiance to the current or last idiot. They both were my presidents and I criticized and gave them credit when due.
But we are definitely talking about a fictional movie right? A movie that upset yall because it didn’t mention politics 🤣
The one thing about the movie is that it's kinda clear that Garland doesn't really know much about American politics. Hell, his interview recently more or less proved it.
Considering the amount of US politics that we here in Ireland and Britain grow up with, it's a bit rich saying that he doesn't know much about American politics. One of the first things that American ex-pats abroad typically say is that they didn't realise how little they knew about America until they left it, closely followed by commenting on how much - and how broad - international coverage of US politics there is out here in the Everywhere Else On The Planet.
@@vercoda9997 no, but he's right. The movie is exciting, but it is wholly ignorant of American society. This movie is pure fantasy. An exciting fantasy, but a fantasy nonetheless.
Don’t think this movie was based on current US politics! 🤣 you do realize it’s fantasy? A US in a whole different universe
They have their own political BS going on that wasn’t even mentioned
But yall definitely wanted your current favorite political party mentioned huh
@@deenaprice1524 Jesus christ people. It is not "ignorant" of American politics, it's DELIBERATELY obfuscating the root cause of the civil war as depicted in the movie so it CAN'T be used by any real-world faction to beat the other over the head with. This demonstrates a very competent understanding of the US political landscape. He's trying to make a cautionary tale that can be viewed by as many people as possible, and he's succeeded... although there's still the weirdo group of people such as you two who can't understand that he's done this, can't detach from reality, can't realise this movie is about *A* civil war that _might_ happen in _some_ America and not *THE* civil war that _could_ happen in _real_ America. Come on. Join us at the adults' table. I promise it's fun up here.
@@johnnypopstar succeeded? Competent? Cautionary tale? No, lol! The ONLY way to enjoy this film is to detach from reality. That's how far away it is from understanding American society. Alex Garland said it himself that he had picked a side, and it was obvious. There were too many crumbs to follow. You would have to be outing yourself as a non-American to come away with your conclusion.
As someone else said in comments, I think Joe should include OJ and Alex's ratings on screen as well. We all have different opinions and they're your friends at the end of the day. Don't just dismiss theirs. Make them feel more involved
Could have AJ x/10 OJx/10 Alex x/10
On screen. Something small goes a long way
Yep or the average of all 3
Hawaiian shirts are pretty direct reference to the boogaloo boys. I think you guys lack the knowledge to make any conclusions here.
Garland's mentioning nothing of the sort in any interviews, but he _did_ write this back in 2020 when they were still a prominent thing in news cycles, so it could be
@@johnnypopstaryou would have to be so dense to not make a conclusion that he is referencing the proud boys
@@itzMeWilly but proud boys notably wore black polos with gold trim.
How didnt they know that? Those guys are wellknown
That's still a think? I thought by 2024 this would be considered passe.
Everyone is gay except me
I was too late you got here first now I’m gay
Damn , need to tell my wife. This is crazy
straight is a spectrum
Super gay.
fuck
This movie outlines what Liberals believe will happen if Trump gets re-elected and their resolve in thinking the country would turn on him. The dialog between the cast talking about the President serving a 3rd term and dissolving the FBI clearly parallels their concerns with what they believe he would do.
Liberals are so incredibly out of touch with reality. They would obviously lose a civil war. They don't even like guns.
Exactly. Came away with the same conclusion. Not gonna happen, though.
Dissolving the FBI is objectively a good guy move
Exactly! It’s not even thinly veiled. It’s also pretty clear in the person that takes the main villain out in the final scene. You know what I’m talking about.
@@AngryDad. I think you misspelled CIA there, buddy.
It's "harrowing", not "horrowing".
Let's not have a Civil War over this.
LOL
I know you don't follow politics that closely, so you get a pass on that aspect of this film. The filmmaker absolutely chose a side, and the president was clearly being portrayed as a certain spray-tanned former POTUS.
Precisely!
Nah it was Biden with his glasses
@@AngryDad.trump literally tried to disband the FBI when they investigated him, and tried to kill the VP when he certified the election…
@@AngryDad.🤡
God i loved the part when the movie ended! It was such a relief!
journalism still exists....? Truly a work of fiction
Hornets nest
H-ah-rrowing? Just learn that one recently?
Distracted me a bit.
Good review
America having a second civil war has always been and will be a matter of when not if it'll happen.
It's almost like America needs an enemy to stop them from destroying itself. After the cold war Russia wanted to stop fighting and America just said no. They need someone to hate otherwise they hate themselves.
Not a chance. No states are united enough, separate enough, it powerful enough. In the mid 19th century, trains were the only thing connecting the vast distances. Now jets can cross America in 2 hours.
There is zero chance of a civil war happening. You're either ignorant or fear mongering to say otherwise.
Yeah no, it will never happen
Given the immense power we've handed our government an actual civil.wsr would be over in hours
It’ll never happen. Atleast not anytime soon. People forget the president has nukes…
I thought it was brilliant. It reminds me of a realistic Christopher Nolan movie with hints of an Apocalypse Now style mission. The music took me to the post Vietnam Era.
Many wanted to know the cause of the war but the context of the war is not important. Most Americans (except the naive) know how this could happen.
I’m glad u enjoyed it but this is the first movie in my life I’ve seen where I fully burst out laughing in the theatre due to the stupidity of a certain scene at the very end, I’m sure u can guess which one
Each to their own.............................................................
Democrats: Pepsi
Republicans: Coke
Choose your flavor. Get Caffeinated all the same.
Fuck both Dem flavors! I need an American Beer like Coors.
Bud Light ain't American no more, so don't you dare drink that shit!
the fact that anyone thinks the two parties are at all similar is very disturbing
@@Cajek2. They are very $imilar in my disturbing opinions
@@God1st949 You're not disturbing, you're ignorant. Stay home in November little republikkkan.
You’re joking right? Literally both sides are the exact same. You say you like this, I say I like the opposite just to spite you. I say I like this, you say the opposite to spite me. Everyone makes a ton of money, we the people suffer.
How does a film about journalists on a journey say NOTHING about journalism and how it’s likely how we’ll get OR avoid a civil war?
at least there is a few people that understand the irony of this ridiculous propaganda movie.
@@somfpleaseso what’s the propaganda? That war brings out the worst in people?
Obviously you’re either too dense OR you just get your opinions from everyone else. Watch the film. The characters don’t need to literally tell you what they think about journalism. Let the film speak.
@@Nightshade1881they don’t have a good answer, because they don’t know what they are talking about.
they are meant as a framing device, but it's such a badly written film because it's meant to push a political narrative. The writers don't let basic facts or even their own setting get in their way of that narrative.
Today's America is Yugoslavia in the 90s.
That is an interesting take.
where are you from?
@@Mir4 not the soon to break up, America
this movie is not good giving it an 8 is ridiculous
Don’t forget they gave Argylle the same rating 😂
@@InQuickWeTrust yeah that’s outrageous that movie is at best a 6
It’s a solid 6 for the shock value and cool battle scenes. Maybe a 7 if you ignore all logic.
@@angelgjr1999 agree
ITT: people don't understand how differing opinions work
Did we watch the same movie? I would have rather stayed home and watch Children of Men.. this was Civil Chore almost Civil Bore
Awesome movie
this was definitely a better ‘children of men’
Let me
Guess your favorite political party didn’t make an appearance?
@@Nightshade1881they didn't nake it political
@@AngryDad. nope they didn’t
No politics were mentioned
When was Joe in the military?
When he was playing call of duty for a review
He larps
He wasn't, he just plays games and therefore understands real life military tactics. Like respawning.
@@sosayweall2509😂
@@lostree1981haha
Angry Joe: are you American?
Other Joe: Yes
Angry Joe: what kind of American
Other Joe: Native American!
I think "the Winter Soldier" was better 😅
Figures. Super hero fan. Smh
I was expecting an All-Out Balls to the Wall Red Dawn Style War Film
Sadly I didn’t get that
It’s well crafted but falls way short of the mark
And the Ending was Honestly Horrendous it’s quite literally like they ran out of ideas or funding 3/10 for me
They couldn’t do that type of film because that would require a clear good/bad guy and since we know this is Hollywood we know who’d be the bad guy. Movie would probably bomb. 😂
@@zombieshoot4318 honestly you make valid point but the trailer presents a whole different film
@@ghostwolf1435 trailers often present a different story.
@@ghostwolf1435it’s A24.. what did you expect? I’m glad it wasn’t a balls to the wall war film.. I tend to find those boring.
@@zombieshoot4318 the ones who usually deserve it
Did Joe just learn the word harrowing today or something. You can totally play the take a drink game.
The guys with Hawaiian shirts were Boogaloo Boys. The question of what kind of American refers to "blank"-American.
I could not even get mad at the movie. If anything, frustration and disappointment were all I felt. The trailer did not spark anger out of me like it did for many, but rather laughter. It almost felt like it wanted to be a satire, like a newer and proper Verhoeven-style _Starship Troopers._
Keyword, though: "could," because it did not.
Yes, I found the premise to be absolutely dumb. Yes, hearing that Texas and California teamed up was what spurred the laughter out of me. No, it was not a problem that they ran with the premise. The problem, or at least the biggest problem, was _how_ they ran with the premise. I am not going to claim that I could have made a better movie, and that is because I have no filmmaking skills, but I _do_ know that there are much better ways to run with the premise. The fact that they went with possibly the worst approaches on various aspects - and no, it being straight-faced (or what it considers to be straight-faced) was not a problem - just ruins what good work was put into it.
Going back to my first point, look at it this way, and feel free to reply with answers to these questions:
1) Have you seen Verhoeven's _Starship Troopers_ movie? Did you like it or not?
2) Have you seen any of the other _Starship Troopers_ movies (yeah, there are others)?
3) If yes to 2), which do you remember more: Verhoeven's or any of these other ones?
I'll give my answers to my questions:
1) Yes, and it is one of my favorite movies (not as good as Robocop if you want to limit it to Verhoeven movies, but still up there).
2) Yes, I have, both the numbered sequels and the CGI ones.
3) Verhoeven's, hands down, because the others, especially the CGI ones, *_sucked;_* I even gave the CGI ones the benefit of the doubt and saw them as being attempts at being more faithful or supportive of Heinlein's book, but that only made them even worse. Because of all of this, I have much less trouble with recalling anything specific from Verhoeven's, whereas I cannot recall anything specific from the others.
That is all this movie is to me: a live-action version of those CGI _Starship Troopers_ movies, in that everything looks and sounds good enough, but the whole brings it all down and hard. This movie is not worth your time or your money.
Texas and California teaming up would not be the oddest thing that's happened in human history when it comes to war. Also keep in mind two obvious points: (1) it kept the film from focusing on partisan issues and (2) it indicated how bad things must be. Also keep in mind the Western Forces were just one part of this. The New People's Army (9 states) was much larger than the Texas / California alliance. The Florida Alliance (8 states) was similarly bigger.
@@JeffNyman First off, while I said that the premise is dumb, I never said that it is impossible. I can see an alliance between Texas and California possibly happening, but the way the movie went is not a likely one.
Second, an issue is partisan if a side regarding it is explicitly tied to a party, and these days, it is nigh-impossible for an issue to _not_ be partisan. That said, a party does not need to be named. The issue(s) can be named, but the party behind the side(s) mentioned does not need to be included. There are some things that the audience can fill in the blanks about for the themselves, and if an audience thinks of one party or another regarding the side(s) of the issue(s) and then raises some sort of stink about it, that is on the audience, not the film.
Third, this war was supposedly going on long enough that the reason(s) for it was largely forgotten. Well, wouldn't that be something that the film could run on? It is supposed to be about how important journalists are, right? Well, shouldn't at least one be trying to find out? They do not need to actually discover what started it, let alone use it to stop the war (nevermind whether or not they succeed at that), but instead, it might as well be saying, "It's better to be a propaganda mouthpiece than a journalist." Another critic that I subscribe to and watch put it this way: "This is not a movie about journalism, but about filmmaking, that it is _filmmakers_ that are important." Yeah, that makes a very big difference.
Fourth, would the other state alliances even matter? The film may not be "focusing on partisan issues," but if you know anything about the various states, one look at the map that Joe brought up should be enough to tell you how they are not getting involved. As for the film not being partisan, the "New People's Army" for the northwestern states is quite the partisan label. I do not ask for Joe to delve into political stuff, but as a fellow Texan like him, I know damn well what Texas would think about the states in the other alliances as well as California. More importantly, if you know anything about the states in the other alliances, then you know that they ain't doing anything more than Texas or California - if anything at all. And as for the Florida Alliance specifically, that is just an attempt at bringing in the Confederacy 2.0, and the map shows it.
I could go on, but these show that your points do not quite hold up. Just to reiterate, I have no problem at all with the movie running with its dumb premise, but how they ran with it puts it on the same level as the CGI _Starship Troopers_ movies.
@@DavidRichardson153You went on a tangent that had nothing to do with what the guy said, even going as far as to act as if the other guy was making any points at all - when they're weren't, they were just correcting you.
Take a break.
@@Cund "...if the guy was making any points at all - which they weren't, they were just correcting you."
And how is that not a point, exactly? Then again, it looks like you don't know what a tangent is either.
Maybe try _not_ taking a break.
@@DavidRichardson153 the last 3 paragraphs had nothing to do with what the guy said. Is it still related to the film as a whole? Yeah, but is it related to what the guy said? Absolutely not, dude never even brought up the pov of the film.
And, tbh, I think I was trolling because the guy also wasn't even correcting you, he just assumed you found the premise "the oddest thing in the world" and explained why it's not really, along with his second "point" being unrelated
Not as weird as you just making a long comment that ultimately concluded with "Yeah, this film sucked lol" because you didn't actually say what was wrong with the film, you just said it was bad and compared it to other films without making an actual argument.
"What kind of American?"
Wagner Moura character
"South American? I mean "New World as America"
as a good leftist that he is, he would definitely vote for Biden.
I think he meant South American as in the southeast United States. Kinda dumb but then again he was playing a hillbilly maniac
Feels like rather than a 2 hour show, this should be a massive HBO show over several seasons. This would BE HUGE!
Joe spends his time on his knees for movies like this. Alex brings facts. Knowing the characters are stupid for half of the film lets me know to save my money.
Well I mean, Joe is media literate and Alex is so media illterate and stupid that he doesn't know what a metaphor is or how a "dumb decision" in a movie says something about the core theme. But go off, lets make sure all our characters are perfect and have no flaws because movies are just a robotic excercise in watching people do shit correctly.
Alex is 100 percent right, and he was not harsh enough. This movie was a complete false advertisement. This movie is not a war movie, it is a photography field trip. Not only is the movie neutral, it is less than neutral - if there was such a thing. A movie about another civil war that doesn’t make ANY commentary?! It SAYS nothing, it makes NO point, it’s a fat nothing. There are two different scenes where characters within the movie point out that “guy shoots other guy. Who that is? I don’t know.” A movie about another civil war should piss you off, tug at your heartstrings, or inspire you to think about whether it could actually happen. This movie fails at all of these things. Disappointment.
it doesn't make sense. If there is another civil war, it's either 2 faction against each other or the government is going full tyrannical
Yup, and this movie did piss me off, but for all of the wrong reasons. It’s supposed to get you invested in what’s actually going on, but that was the least significant part of the movie, despite the movie being called Civil War.
It’s a24.. it’s usually never as advertised.. a regular war movie would have been really disappointing..
Great review
Don't blame the movie for your lack of knowledge. Alex Garland doesn't just make action movies. Nor does A24. Even then, trailer/plot literally tells you that you'd be following journalists through this. You wanted a cod movie?
To many pretentious slow motion moments with obscure cheap music tracks.
Yeah there were a lot of slow bits where nothing happens. Guess director was trying to capture the mood.
Just remember a press pass is a magic talisman that allows you to flit from one horrific death scene to another unscathed.
I mean did you watch the movie? Plenty of the press died.
@@MisterEspionage Plenty? The two guys at the rural property. Sammy. Who else?
This movie was absolutely terrible.
-boring
-slow
-unlikeable characters
-dumb
-the press as main characters ugh
-don’t show anything and informed with dialogue more
This was just another social event movie similar to “don’t look up”and “leave the world behind” tho this is by far the worst one. At least the other two were entertaining.
This was a 4/10 for me and I watch a ton of movies and I usually like most movies but this was so mehh. It could’ve been better.
Now Jessie, cailee spaeny is the best part about the movie and was fun and she was cute in this... like damn. While Act 3 was cool the ending was so dumb af. The way she just risk it standing in the middle and than after the scene we just move on after the shoot….like what! Just ends like what!
SHOULD’VE BEEN A SERIES NOT A MOVIE. It would’ve given time to really explore this new era and add likable characters. They miss
Was everybody fooled by that trailer except me. I knew right away what kind of movie this was going to be. I warned my friends not to expect a lot of action. But they didn't listen and they were disappointed
I have informed the president, your medal is on its way to you as we speak.
*pat pat* on the back
Good job, you are very smart and you told us so, you are a winner champ, gold star.
For anyone who hasn’t seen the movie yet: this is a profoundly anti-war movie about war journalism and the horrors of war. The conflict itself is largely irrelevant. A lot of people went in expecting an Expendables type movie and came out disappointed because of it.
I slightly disagree. It did document the loss of humanity in the middle of a war... but the message seemed to be saying that the cost is worth it in order to get rid of a particular leader.
@@deenaprice1524That’s correct, to get rid of traitor trump. Never forget January 6th.
Humanity needs to understand something, especially these anti-war movie makers and anti-war people in general... for as long as humans exists, there will always be war.
@@cashewnuttel9054and you don’t see an issue with that?
@@ntfoperative9432 I do... humans are the issue.
i think Joes word of the day is "Harrowing"
Love Wagner Moura. He played Pablo Escobar in Narcos. Hope to see him in more American films.
He was Death/Wolf in Puss in Boots the last wish
You should watch Elite Squad 1 & 2
hawaiian shirts is boogaloo boys.
I think towards the end with the presidential limo, trying to escape was not only a ruse… But a woman who’s very nicely dressed, gets out and gets shot immediately. I think it’s implied that it may have been the president’s wife trying to escape desperately.
“Stoppppp! Lyingggg to people I am going to THROW myself out a WINDOWWW!”
I thought this was fantastic. I think keeping the details of the war secret made it more fascinating. None of it matters. What matters is how it affects civilians caught in the crossfire.
28 days later was Danny Boyle ? I think ?
Boyle directed but Alex Garland wrote it.
Alex was spot on about everything but his rating. This movie was a DRAGGGG. I was about to walk out. 3/10
My wife and I watched it tonight, and we both absolutely loved it. I'd like to see it again soon. There hasn't been that much publicity of it in the UK, and it was its premiere day today, and we found ourselves been the only 2 in the entire screen haha. That made it even better.
Is your wife hot?
Envious! Over at the O2 I had to sit next to a bloke narrating the whole goddamn thing ;_; His own wife/girlfriend kept trying to shush him but nope, I got to be made aware of his reaction to every single scene in the film. Lucky me!
@@johnnypopstar ahhhh I couldn't have put up with that. Can't stand folk who just want to chat through a movie.
Disregarding other issues one might have with the movie, to dismiss it solely because of Texas and California working together, people should remember that the United States and the Soviet Union managed to work together, for a time.
It’s the fault of the filmmaker for lack of exposition. The alliance was a hasty one of convenience and they said they would fall apart as soon as the 3rd term villain was disposed. They’re just taking out a common enemy that could take them both out independently.
The fact that there are people fucking stupid enough to think the few thousand brain dead people on twitter in California who actually despise Texas and vice versa are so common, that in a real Civil war they wouldn't get along or attempt to work together so much so that doing so is "unrealistic", is someone who watches too many movies and doesn't understand how things work..
True but the other issues were enormous. Forget about enumerating them and leave it at - this film was a top ten bore. There is a message but I doubt many were awake to get to it.
I felt like we walked around and watched dumb people put themselves in danger for pictures with little to no tension until the second half of the movie and then it ends after the jobs done and i felt like it took forever to make me care or the importance of why these pictures matter. I felt they didnt go as hard as they could and played it safe. I understand we dont want another purge so its ok they didnt go deep but they could have and i feel that would have made more of an impact
Combat photographers and journalists are often right there in the action. Many photographers die in combat.
@@juanmiguelrivera5136 which this movie nails but i feel like they go have went a tad harder
Congrats on your patience. I think I fast forwarded through the better part of the movie. the bookends were a waste...
All of this makes me very nervous. Are some people really thinking about starting a civil war when (not if) the orange man wins 😮
The Orange man would need to take some additional steps. States would definitely assert more rights. The West Coast could very easily shrug off odd mandates.
He was already there for 4 years. Was there a civil war? No so calm down lefty. Trump 2024
We were given an incomplete puzzle
Every time Joe says Harrowing take a drink.
4/10 it's about annoying girl who gets everyone killed by trying to take pictures. LMAO when the bullets got loud was I supposed to feel like I am there? 😂😂😂
🎉🎉
I concur
She is the reason for both deaths, isn't she? She got the old guy killed and her mentor!
@@deenaprice1524a that’s what I don’t get. Why did they stop the truck? She didn’t have her camera or journalist ID.
@@deenaprice1524 More than that cuh! Those two guys that are racing down the highway get killed because she decides to hop into another car while speeding and the gets lost only to get captured. Ive pretty much seen every movie released this year and this one was just annoying the hell out of me.
A movie where the Canadian dollar is more valuable than the American dollar. Utter fantasy.
and when was it stated this was a documentary ?? like .. THINK
I doubt Canada would be doing okay economically if it lost its biggest trade partner. In reality gold, silver, ammo, and seeds/food would be used as currency.
@@angelgjr1999 Some people keep saying that if the US ceased to exist, the rest of the world will follow but do these same people forget that the world existed long before and will continue to exist long after the US? Another nation will take the reins and will usher in a new era. Humans are resilient and will manage.
@@cashewnuttel9054 Look at what happened after the collapse of the USSR. I think a similar thing would happen here. I just hope no nukes are used…
@@angelgjr1999 No nukes were used when the USSR collapsed, so...
Hey when that happens, can I have Washington State?
i need A24 to film an all out war movie. the sound design, the direction, the action, it was damn near perfect
Completely agree with the sound design, I watched it twice once in a normal 2D screening then in IMAX 2D, the sound is night and day. If you can afford to I would highly recommend spending the extra money for IMAX.
In terms of this film being about war correspondents it's quite accurate. There's a great documentary about the battle of fallujah by PBS that this movie almost mirrors. War journalists are a big issue for warfighters and have cause marines and army personnel to die on multiple occasions because as shown in this movie they are more focused on getting the story. War journalism is an interest of mine and something I wanted to do growing up so looking at this film it's quite accurate for how those people would act in these situations
While they didn't "take a side" it is obvious who the government and president were.
VERY obvious.
Biden with his glasses
@@AngryDad.Who was the former president that threatened to defund the FBI when he was investigated, and caused an actual insurrection on January 6th? trump
@angelgjr1999 An InSuRrEcTiOn, okay buddy, an insurrection from 2A loving people and not a single firearm was brought? That don't really make sense, if it was an insurrection alot of people would've been dead and ground would've been taken and held and then demands would've been made. It went from a protest to basically a less violent riot
@angelgjr1999 please never comment again, please