Some cynical person would make a comment on what USA residents will put up with not to have to walk a few yards. But I appreciate the extensive content on how the car handles the winter conditions.
Cynical - you mean not lazy right? Like there's an actual recycling bin on the back of this 4x4...the reality shows that it was just easier to walk the bin down the drive... Oh and you need studs for ice really, or chains maybe...
Now try it at 65 with a short wheelbase wrangler on 12.5 wide m/t's. Turns out all that floatation gives it the ice traction of a spider on roller skates. The shorter the wheelbase the more it wants to start doing unintentional drifting at speed. Weight over the back tires helps a little, but setups like this are death traps in certain conditions.
My BIL was really happy with some strap on traction devices he got for his truck. They just wrap around the tire and wheel in 4 places and get cinched up, no rolling back and forth to wrap a full chain set.
I keep telling people that 4x4 without winter tires does not solve the problem. On freezing days my front-wheel drive sedan with winter tires handles way better than my Jeep on mud tires on 4x4, in fact, I don't even drive my Jeep during the winter after a few very scary situations.
Even winter tires don't make a huge difference in the long run. I drive on ice roads and mountain highways all over northern Canada with any kind of vehicle and no collisions. The reality is, the best way to prevent collisions is behavior. People need to learn to accelerate slowly, drive UNDER the speed limit while staying in the right lane, keep a very long distance from the vehicle in front of you, decelerate by letting go of the gas to let the car slow down own it's own (seriously brakes cause the most collisions as a mechanical issue), and the make sure your vehicle is in working order. Hierarchy of controls: Substitution/elimination - do you even have to go out today or can you work from home or delay trip? Administrative controls - behavior mentioned above Engineering controls - proper tires, 4x4, etc PPE - last and most unreliable line of defence, relying on the car to save you from injury during an accident.
@@PeglegkickboxerI’m sorry this is just objectively wrong. Winter tires have substantially more grip than summer or all terrains. They don’t exist for no reason. Yes driving behavior definitely is a big factor, but me slipping and sliding around in my Silverado in mud tires, and then having 0 traction issues in my wife’s Camry with snows in even worse conditions didn’t happen by magic.
@@Peglegkickboxer what a terrible take. Much of what you said is correct, people should drive more carefully/slowly in winter/ice conditions, but they should drive that way on winter tires. You don't have to choose one or the other. Also, YES they do make an absolutely HUGE different short term and long term.
This video should be mandatory in areas with snow. I can't tell you how many times I walked right past 4WD vehicles in icy / snow conditions driving a $500 Honda Civic with $500 worth of decent winter tires.
What a ridiculous scene. Here in Northern Alberta, we regularly get temps of -40 to -50 with sheets of ice all over everything. Nothing that a Toyota Corolla with some X-ice tires can't handle. This jeep failing so hard with basic winter driving was comedy.
@@EricCantin Agreed. I think it's wroth noting that it doesn't take a 4x4 jeep with winter/ice tires to do that job. Any FWD vehicle with good ice tires can of course drive up a slight grade, too.
Steepness of an incline isn't easily visible on video, so i wouldn't dare to judge that. Fun tip: here in the alps when people had steep driveways and before awd became so commonly available in passenger cars, if they couldn't make it up in winter conditions, people often turned their fwd cars around (on winter tyres of course) and drove up backwards. -> forwards, the steepness changed the weight distribution in a way that lifted weight from the front axle, backwards made it similiar to the weight distribution of a Beetle or 911. And they were said to be great in the snow. (Few ever had a 911 here, but many had a Beetle and they swore they could go anywhere in the snow. Later on many of these people bought a Fiat Panda 4x4 and were happy until the rust took their Panda away. ;-) And nowadays many of them drive a small SUV with a hang on awd and have no problems. Tyres got a lot better.) I have personally seen awd and 4x4's fail due to non suited tyres in winter conditions where even rwd cars easily went by. People tend to underestimate that, no matter how many wheels get power, if the power isn't transferred to the ground, the vehicle won't move where you want it to. Or even stay put where it should in some cases.
I did try that a few months ago! Not sure if I saved the footage. At street tire pressure, the Wrangler with winters did better. The Wrangler does even better in the deep snow with Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws. Here’s an example: ruclips.net/video/4lf7oOAx8ew/видео.html
I have a set of BFG KO2 tires on my 4x4 Comanche, with the factory rear LSD. Its managble in the snow, but doesn't do nearly as well as my old BMW M3 with an LSD on snow tires or Civic Si with LSD on snow tires. Tires are everything when it comes to traction for a specific situation.
The two runs were on the same day. The part where I aired down the Cherokee tires and finally coaxed it up was minutes before I drove the Wrangler down.
I’ve often had light truck tires on my XJ. Never had problems even in freezing rain, and you can’t get in or out of my neighborhood without navigating hills much steeper than your driveway.
I live in MN and drove an 07 JK for 12 years. I had 35" Goodyear Wrangler MT/R's on it. Performed exactly like it was expected to after a large fresh snowfall on unplowed streets and highways. But on an open icy road or highway I ended up having to driver much, much slower than even the small wheeled Toyota and Honda coupes and sedans. It's because mud terrain tires offer less tire to road surface contact than all terrains, winter, and even regular road tires. Those large knobs on mudders are only great for griping and tearing into soft terrain to claw your way up hills, over stumps, through deep snow, and mud.
I remember running Gumbo wide mudders in the early 80s on my 4x4. On wet roads they were dangerous. L78 15 Good year town and country on my father's 76 K5 Blazer was the go to
Ice is tough, but any good snow tire is better than a mud tire.. basic fact: very cold makes for better traction. As far as driveways, or any road, sand is the answer; doesn't eat up the vehicle or the road & when it makes it's way back to the stream, can be recycled😁 Ed c
I live in eastern Washington. We have 2 mountain passes that get closed continually in bad weather because Seattle residents refuse to by winter tires and obey the chain up laws for 2 wheel drive. My drive is way steeper than that and I get up fine with Cooper snow Claws. It's a hassle changing tires winter and spring but worth it to stay out of the ditch 🙃
I'd be more convinced if you used different tires on the same rig. How do we know the wrangler doesn't have traction control? How do we know you didn't drive one a little more gentler than the other. I have used both all terrain and mud tires in all conditions and have had good luck with both. Also, what was the temperature difference? Wet ice will screw you every time whereas colder dry ice conditions are a lot easier to drive in.
Yep totally expected! Sad part is all ya really needed to do was put a little sand on the ice and you would have had no issues. With the snow tires you could have tossed a bit of snow on the ice and got traction as well.
Rear diff lock should be after awd not way down at the bottom. And why only rear diff lock when a from tdiff lock makes a bigger difference than a rear diff why not just put diff locks?
Trying to explain to my coworkers why I am putting new tires on my brand new truck. Need to send them this video. I'm getting three peak rated tires. Beyond "all season" and better than M&S. This girl wants to drive in nasty conditions with the best possible tires for slippery slopes
The issue with the three peaks is they are tested for snow performance only. There’s a new symbol on some tires for ice rating. Most three peaks perform ok on ice, especially when the sipes are still new. Great plan for the new truck to have traction!
Yeah driving in winter without winter tires is illegal here and frankly I'd put it almost equal to drunk driving. Also I've literally driven through deeper snow than that with a Honda CRX I used to have with just basic winter tires. Perhaps not as heavy snow as this but it still says a lot. My old CR-V probably wouldn't bat an eye at that
My 31" all seasons wrangler authoritys have siping on them and they have gotten through 3 foot deep snow and handled ice and -40° temps with reletive ease. All seasons have new polymers that really have changed them from being a meh tire in all conditions to really handling it. Im getting another set soon I was so happy with their performance. I got all seasons for my dd and they are pretty amazing compared to all seasons from ten years ago. Night and day difference really.
The number of sipes on the GY Authority tires remind me of the Duratracs we have. Dedicated winters will have even more = more grip. Fun seeing tire tech continue to evolve. But there’s only so much one tire design and do to work in all extreme conditions for an extended number of miles.
I've had someone argue with me "mud tires are fine in the snow they're better then snow tires". Ha ya ok I dont drive my 4x4 jeep out of town with mud tires.
Those Haks were back ordered when I placed the order. A mid tier true winter tire will still outperform any 3 peak all terrain on ice. So doing better than using my ATs.
Put a set of Nokian Outposts on my wife’s grocery getter for some peace of mind in the winter. They were so good that I’m debating putting a set on my truck.
@EricCantin You used enough fuel for a couple trips to the curb to power a hundred homes in Africa for a year... 😂 jk but thanks for doing this video. Very informative.
Even in the summertime, is he really firing up the truck to haul trash those few steps down his driveway? Just walk! Also, is he operating the red one with its mud tires on public roadways? I don’t think that’s right… Real winter-only tires with studs are the tool for this job regardless of how macho the the vehicle they carry is. A beat up econobox could have pulled it out.
Not exactly the whole story! Your JK jeep has traction control that can not be 100% disabled even if you wanted it to be. The XJ does not. Also your JK weighs much more than the XJ.
Ha. Good luck telling "off-roaders" that tires designed for snow, ice and sub-freezing temps are better in those conditions than their own expensive, very cool looking, oversized AT and MT tires. Winter tires come in puny sizes and your can't even see obvious tread blocks. No one who has paid a ridiculous price for their tires is going to be told those tires fall short in any way at all. And yeah, pretty lazy using a vehicle for the garbage cans.
Wow I can't imagine having to deal with such a horribly incapable vehicle. I live on a hill and regularly deal with ice. Mud tires on every truck and have never had an issue. Had black ice yesterday did have to use 4×4 to get up the hill but didn't slip at all once 4×4 was engaged. The hill I live on is a steeper grade the one in this video. Because there is no way that a person could walk up or down it without falling. Jeeps are crap only good for collecting rubber ducks
@EricCantin grade isn't important here you have zero chance of being able to walk up or down where I live and we just watched someone walk down and back up here.
@EricCantin obviously you have never been around black ice. It doesn't take much slope to make it impossible to walk uphill on it. Full size 4×4 pickups have absolutely no problem with it no matter what tires they have even AWD cars and SUVs handle it fairly well. A lot better than that mall crawler. Jeeps just suck
@@EricCantin I used to run studded snow tires on my 3" lifted 2002 Outback, that little sucker was my best highway car in the winter. It far outdid my TJ, I felt so safe in that car. Even the old Wyoming natives are idiots when it comes to snow tires and driving, always bargain shopping for cheap tires.
@@EricCantin Ha, if you're talking to me I was just being a wise @ss, but here's a fact for you, in 1985 I bought a brand new completely stripped down Jeep CJ7 for $8500, loved it, over time bought some big BF Goodrich tires and a bunch of stuff from JC Whitney catalog😄Today I can't afford a new truck, I'll be lucky if I can afford a truck that's 10 years old! Cheers!🍻
I gut falken ATW 3 Im on se#4 I live in NW Wyoming all sorts of bad conditions I had on ram 2500 cummins ram 5.7 hemi and a cherokee next best was BFG KO2 only reason I changed brands couldn't get my size due to BS covid 19 now a Falken guy@@EricCantin
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Some cynical person would make a comment on what USA residents will put up with not to have to walk a few yards.
But I appreciate the extensive content on how the car handles the winter conditions.
For the record, it’s about 60 yards. My wife laughed at me during these shenanigans.
Cynical - you mean not lazy right? Like there's an actual recycling bin on the back of this 4x4...the reality shows that it was just easier to walk the bin down the drive... Oh and you need studs for ice really, or chains maybe...
But he’s Canadian
@@flight2k5 An American would be too lazy to put together the video! ;)
Good video showing why I use studded snow tires in the winter.
Thumbs up, excellent educational clip bud. This is a well contested topic amongst drivers and this should help settle some debates.
Thanks! I surprised myself with the difference.
Years ago in canada many of us had small front wheel drive cars with good winter tires for our ski hill trips
Lots of instructors and locals in the alps in 1980 pandas
@@Cous1nJack Fiat Pandas also came in a 4X4 version though.
Now try it at 65 with a short wheelbase wrangler on 12.5 wide m/t's. Turns out all that floatation gives it the ice traction of a spider on roller skates. The shorter the wheelbase the more it wants to start doing unintentional drifting at speed. Weight over the back tires helps a little, but setups like this are death traps in certain conditions.
😂 my 95 has 35 inch cooper stt pros and I plow snow on mount saint helens in February works great for me.
I wonder if there's a reason that they call them mud terrain tires and not ice terrain tires.
Maybe you're on to something 🤔
My BIL was really happy with some strap on traction devices he got for his truck.
They just wrap around the tire and wheel in 4 places and get cinched up, no rolling back and forth to wrap a full chain set.
I keep telling people that 4x4 without winter tires does not solve the problem. On freezing days my front-wheel drive sedan with winter tires handles way better than my Jeep on mud tires on 4x4, in fact, I don't even drive my Jeep during the winter after a few very scary situations.
Even winter tires don't make a huge difference in the long run. I drive on ice roads and mountain highways all over northern Canada with any kind of vehicle and no collisions. The reality is, the best way to prevent collisions is behavior. People need to learn to accelerate slowly, drive UNDER the speed limit while staying in the right lane, keep a very long distance from the vehicle in front of you, decelerate by letting go of the gas to let the car slow down own it's own (seriously brakes cause the most collisions as a mechanical issue), and the make sure your vehicle is in working order.
Hierarchy of controls:
Substitution/elimination - do you even have to go out today or can you work from home or delay trip?
Administrative controls - behavior mentioned above
Engineering controls - proper tires, 4x4, etc
PPE - last and most unreliable line of defence, relying on the car to save you from injury during an accident.
I disagree. I wear winter boots in the winter and sneakers/sandals in the summer.
So should a vehicle.
@@PeglegkickboxerI’m sorry this is just objectively wrong. Winter tires have substantially more grip than summer or all terrains. They don’t exist for no reason. Yes driving behavior definitely is a big factor, but me slipping and sliding around in my Silverado in mud tires, and then having 0 traction issues in my wife’s Camry with snows in even worse conditions didn’t happen by magic.
@@Peglegkickboxer what a terrible take. Much of what you said is correct, people should drive more carefully/slowly in winter/ice conditions, but they should drive that way on winter tires. You don't have to choose one or the other. Also, YES they do make an absolutely HUGE different short term and long term.
Mid tires are bad for snow. They eject material. You want AT that grab snow. 3peak is better.
Try the Firestone destination XT. Tbey are awesome on ice and snow.
Great demonstration. Thanks!
This video should be mandatory in areas with snow. I can't tell you how many times I walked right past 4WD vehicles in icy / snow conditions driving a $500 Honda Civic with $500 worth of decent winter tires.
What a ridiculous scene. Here in Northern Alberta, we regularly get temps of -40 to -50 with sheets of ice all over everything. Nothing that a Toyota Corolla with some X-ice tires can't handle. This jeep failing so hard with basic winter driving was comedy.
That was the goal!
@@EricCantin Agreed. I think it's wroth noting that it doesn't take a 4x4 jeep with winter/ice tires to do that job. Any FWD vehicle with good ice tires can of course drive up a slight grade, too.
Previous owners of this property used to park their FWD with winters at the bottom of the hill. Their AWD with winters could make it up.
Ice when it's that cold is way grippier than ice at right around the freezing point
Steepness of an incline isn't easily visible on video, so i wouldn't dare to judge that.
Fun tip: here in the alps when people had steep driveways and before awd became so commonly available in passenger cars, if they couldn't make it up in winter conditions, people often turned their fwd cars around (on winter tyres of course) and drove up backwards.
-> forwards, the steepness changed the weight distribution in a way that lifted weight from the front axle, backwards made it similiar to the weight distribution of a Beetle or 911. And they were said to be great in the snow. (Few ever had a 911 here, but many had a Beetle and they swore they could go anywhere in the snow. Later on many of these people bought a Fiat Panda 4x4 and were happy until the rust took their Panda away. ;-) And nowadays many of them drive a small SUV with a hang on awd and have no problems. Tyres got a lot better.)
I have personally seen awd and 4x4's fail due to non suited tyres in winter conditions where even rwd cars easily went by. People tend to underestimate that, no matter how many wheels get power, if the power isn't transferred to the ground, the vehicle won't move where you want it to. Or even stay put where it should in some cases.
Would have been interesting to see how the winter tires would have done in the deep snow.
I did try that a few months ago! Not sure if I saved the footage.
At street tire pressure, the Wrangler with winters did better.
The Wrangler does even better in the deep snow with Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws. Here’s an example: ruclips.net/video/4lf7oOAx8ew/видео.html
I have a set of BFG KO2 tires on my 4x4 Comanche, with the factory rear LSD. Its managble in the snow, but doesn't do nearly as well as my old BMW M3 with an LSD on snow tires or Civic Si with LSD on snow tires. Tires are everything when it comes to traction for a specific situation.
Great visual example. Maybe you need winter tread shoes too lol I saw you sliding a bit there.
I run a set of studded aggressive off road winter tires on my 4x4 in the winter. Goes anywhere I need it to.
Man this made me laugh throughout the video hahaha good stuff dude 😂😂
Thanks! Always good to have a laugh!
So my RWD 7000lb pickup with 65psi tires is screwed. Good think I don't live where it snows.
What was the ambient temperature variation between the two tests?
The two runs were on the same day. The part where I aired down the Cherokee tires and finally coaxed it up was minutes before I drove the Wrangler down.
I’ve often had light truck tires on my XJ. Never had problems even in freezing rain, and you can’t get in or out of my neighborhood without navigating hills much steeper than your driveway.
Nice video! I like the look of those tires on the XJ. Could you tell me what size they are?
Thanks! Those are Firestone MT2s, I think the size is 32x11.5R15. They do great n trail runs and other seasons.
I live in MN and drove an 07 JK for 12 years. I had 35" Goodyear Wrangler MT/R's on it. Performed exactly like it was expected to after a large fresh snowfall on unplowed streets and highways. But on an open icy road or highway I ended up having to driver much, much slower than even the small wheeled Toyota and Honda coupes and sedans. It's because mud terrain tires offer less tire to road surface contact than all terrains, winter, and even regular road tires. Those large knobs on mudders are only great for griping and tearing into soft terrain to claw your way up hills, over stumps, through deep snow, and mud.
We have MTRs on our CJ. Huge rubber blocks and next to no sipes.
I remember running Gumbo wide mudders in the early 80s on my 4x4.
On wet roads they were dangerous.
L78 15 Good year town and country on my father's 76 K5 Blazer was the go to
Just by visual inspection the differences are extreme. Tires for ice grab like an octopus. 35psi is crazy for white winter roads. Run 20.
Try siped mudders, like Trxus MTs, with studs, vs unstudded snow tires.
Ice is tough, but any good snow tire is better than a mud tire.. basic fact: very cold makes for better traction. As far as driveways, or any road, sand is the answer; doesn't eat up the vehicle or the road & when it makes it's way back to the stream, can be recycled😁
Ed c
Agree, really very cold seems to make ice somehow grippier again.
I live in eastern Washington. We have 2 mountain passes that get closed continually in bad weather because Seattle residents refuse to by winter tires and obey the chain up laws for 2 wheel drive. My drive is way steeper than that and I get up fine with Cooper snow Claws. It's a hassle changing tires winter and spring but worth it to stay out of the ditch 🙃
I'd be more convinced if you used different tires on the same rig. How do we know the wrangler doesn't have traction control? How do we know you didn't drive one a little more gentler than the other. I have used both all terrain and mud tires in all conditions and have had good luck with both. Also, what was the temperature difference? Wet ice will screw you every time whereas colder dry ice conditions are a lot easier to drive in.
Cherokee had two lockers on. So doesn’t matter if the Wrangler’s traction control helped or not.
For ice, you need studded winter tires.
Tires are everything! Try off-roading with racing slicks.
Or racing in the rain with Simex tires
Yep totally expected! Sad part is all ya really needed to do was put a little sand on the ice and you would have had no issues. With the snow tires you could have tossed a bit of snow on the ice and got traction as well.
Now try it on a 45 degree driveway with ice. My truck got stuck for a while.
Siping and grooving or use AT's
During snow/ice: Winter Tires>full time AWD>Low weight of the car>Power>Rear diff lock
Rear diff lock should be after awd not way down at the bottom. And why only rear diff lock when a from tdiff lock makes a bigger difference than a rear diff why not just put diff locks?
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Trying to explain to my coworkers why I am putting new tires on my brand new truck. Need to send them this video.
I'm getting three peak rated tires. Beyond "all season" and better than M&S. This girl wants to drive in nasty conditions with the best possible tires for slippery slopes
The issue with the three peaks is they are tested for snow performance only. There’s a new symbol on some tires for ice rating.
Most three peaks perform ok on ice, especially when the sipes are still new.
Great plan for the new truck to have traction!
Crazy how many people think MT tires are good in the rain and snow.
40 years of all seasons hear in Canada. No issues.
Where in Canada? Kind of a big country.
@EricCantin ontario. Cheers.
None of my neighbours in this Ontario town use all seasons year round.
@@EricCantin democracy in action.
L..A..Z..Y.. MRTHFKER... Oh my god, you DROVE the trash to the end of your driveway????
I’ll accept it if your driveway is 175’ or longer.
@@EricCantin lol my good man...
Yeah driving in winter without winter tires is illegal here and frankly I'd put it almost equal to drunk driving.
Also I've literally driven through deeper snow than that with a Honda CRX I used to have with just basic winter tires. Perhaps not as heavy snow as this but it still says a lot. My old CR-V probably wouldn't bat an eye at that
Good video
Dude!!!! Cool tunes
Air down.... And the tires need to flex anfter airing down and not just be aired down but with still rigid sidewalls. The tires need to flex n squat.
I will agree the angle of the hill is hard to determine but damn does it ever appear to be a skill issue watching this.
Yeah. Skillz improved when changed vehicles.
@EricCantin no in both vehicles
Why tf do u use a car to put your bins to the road?
How long is your driveway?
People in my area pay 20,000 dollars for a side by side mule buggy to take out their trash
aggressive winter tires own even in mud vs junk hard block tires
I put a set of studded winter tires on my jeep grand Cherokee for exathis reason. If it gets bad I take it.
My 31" all seasons wrangler authoritys have siping on them and they have gotten through 3 foot deep snow and handled ice and -40° temps with reletive ease. All seasons have new polymers that really have changed them from being a meh tire in all conditions to really handling it. Im getting another set soon I was so happy with their performance. I got all seasons for my dd and they are pretty amazing compared to all seasons from ten years ago. Night and day difference really.
The number of sipes on the GY Authority tires remind me of the Duratracs we have. Dedicated winters will have even more = more grip.
Fun seeing tire tech continue to evolve. But there’s only so much one tire design and do to work in all extreme conditions for an extended number of miles.
You didn't get through consistent three feet deep snow with 31inch tires I call BS.
@@robertdahle7216He means a 3’ drift he plowed through.
No matter how good the tire, it will not be good on ice.
I've had someone argue with me "mud tires are fine in the snow they're better then snow tires". Ha ya ok
I dont drive my 4x4 jeep out of town with mud tires.
You should try some real winter tires, like Nokias Hakkepelita. And maybe even the studded version.
Those Haks were back ordered when I placed the order.
A mid tier true winter tire will still outperform any 3 peak all terrain on ice. So doing better than using my ATs.
Put a set of Nokian Outposts on my wife’s grocery getter for some peace of mind in the winter. They were so good that I’m debating putting a set on my truck.
There is nothing good on ice, people think 4 drives are invisible, they have limitations to.
So, to all fire wood burning people out there, just throw hash on the ice and your Jeep will drive on the ice like it was sand paper.
Throwing hash on the ice is a waste of hash. Try ash.
Hash is expensive I would just use ash hehe
No tire is good on ice duh
Wrong....my rally car would definitely disagree lol .....spike studded tires work amazing
My Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT3 (studded) do just perfect in the Finnish winter 😊
Bud, get some exercise and walk your bins to the curb. Never seen someone use a vehicle to go 30ft. 😂
Get a better measuring tape. That’s 175ft one way.
@EricCantin You used enough fuel for a couple trips to the curb to power a hundred homes in Africa for a year... 😂 jk but thanks for doing this video. Very informative.
Even in the summertime, is he really firing up the truck to haul trash those few steps down his driveway? Just walk!
Also, is he operating the red one with its mud tires on public roadways? I don’t think that’s right…
Real winter-only tires with studs are the tool for this job regardless of how macho the the vehicle they carry is. A beat up econobox could have pulled it out.
175’ driveway. Need two trips by hand. How long is yours?
Zappa rules!
Not exactly the whole story! Your JK jeep has traction control that can not be 100% disabled even if you wanted it to be. The XJ does not. Also your JK weighs much more than the XJ.
Did you hear that the XJ has two lockers and both were engaged?
It amazes me how many ppl think "Mud Terrain" tires will be awesome in the snow and ice....smdh...
Ha. Good luck telling "off-roaders" that tires designed for snow, ice and sub-freezing temps are better in those conditions than their own expensive, very cool looking, oversized AT and MT tires. Winter tires come in puny sizes and your can't even see obvious tread blocks. No one who has paid a ridiculous price for their tires is going to be told those tires fall short in any way at all. And yeah, pretty lazy using a vehicle for the garbage cans.
Your driveway is how long and how steep?
Screw in studs
Wow I can't imagine having to deal with such a horribly incapable vehicle. I live on a hill and regularly deal with ice. Mud tires on every truck and have never had an issue. Had black ice yesterday did have to use 4×4 to get up the hill but didn't slip at all once 4×4 was engaged. The hill I live on is a steeper grade the one in this video. Because there is no way that a person could walk up or down it without falling. Jeeps are crap only good for collecting rubber ducks
What’s your guess on the grade here? What’s the grade where you live?
And thanks for the giggles.
@EricCantin grade isn't important here you have zero chance of being able to walk up or down where I live and we just watched someone walk down and back up here.
A home built on a slope where people can’t walk up, but a 4x4 with mud terrains can climb an icy slope?
Riiiight
@EricCantin obviously you have never been around black ice. It doesn't take much slope to make it impossible to walk uphill on it. Full size 4×4 pickups have absolutely no problem with it no matter what tires they have even AWD cars and SUVs handle it fairly well. A lot better than that mall crawler. Jeeps just suck
Keep dreaming about your magical traction.
I dont care what tires you have, you are going to slide and have no traction on pure ice
Good informative video but get rid of the stupid background music.
My Subaru would have made it.
What kind of tires on your Subaru?
@@EricCantin I used to run studded snow tires on my 3" lifted 2002 Outback, that little sucker was my best highway car in the winter. It far outdid my TJ, I felt so safe in that car. Even the old Wyoming natives are idiots when it comes to snow tires and driving, always bargain shopping for cheap tires.
Can’t legally run studded tires here.
Sipe the tires.
So then I used my 3rd very expensive vehicle...
Are we at a point where 10+ year old Jeeps are considered expensive vehicles?
@@EricCantin Ha, if you're talking to me I was just being a wise @ss, but here's a fact for you, in 1985 I bought a brand new completely stripped down Jeep CJ7 for $8500, loved it, over time bought some big BF Goodrich tires and a bunch of stuff from JC Whitney catalog😄Today I can't afford a new truck, I'll be lucky if I can afford a truck that's 10 years old! Cheers!🍻
TIRE CHAINS
Suzuki, Jimny would have made it😅
Depends on the tires.
shame on any show drive for not using chains.
Haha! I feel the pain. Set of falkens would clear that right up.
Hmmm. There’s a set in the garage on JK rims. Just need adapters. Something to consider for next year (or drop air pressure even more) LOL!
I gut falken ATW 3 Im on se#4 I live in NW Wyoming all sorts of bad conditions I had on ram 2500 cummins ram 5.7 hemi and a cherokee next best was BFG KO2 only reason I changed brands couldn't get my size due to BS covid 19 now a Falken guy@@EricCantin
Lol
The lesson is that recycling is gay.
I always wonder about guys, who refer to things as gay?
This is why God invented studded winter tires
Its illegal in most cities because it eats uo the road
You have some shit tires. 37" nittos or bfg, bot worked great on a 2500 with full time locker ice and snow down south.
my blizak dmv2's do much better job than that on sheets of ice.