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What It Was Like to Be a Civil War Prisoner
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Camp Sumter, also known as Andersonville prison, housed 45,000 captured Union soldiers during the Civil War. Conditions at Andersonville were so horrific that 13,000 soldiers perished, many from overcrowding, starvation, and exposure. After the conflict, the Andersonville commander was put on trial for war crimes.
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"4 tablespoons of rice......"
My first thought...yeah they were starving if that's all they get a day".....per week" That's beyond a hell hole.
@@saintjames1995 or themselves. I didn't know this bit of history about the south and I live here now.
Giancarlo Rivas no not really. As a matter of fact most of the confederate soldiers took pity on northern ones and even saved them in battle since one of the north’s main strategies was to just throw countless men at their enemy because they have so many , which didn’t often work out very well.
Giancarlo Rivas out of 4 million slaves they had during the civil war they could’ve provide food???
Nicholas Rueckert the war was fought mainly in the south and they were losing. Yankee soldiers would burn the fields and take the livestock and whatever else as they went through. Everyone was suffering. Slaves fled if they could, but they just became contraband to the north. Think of countries today that are war torn. It was like that for the south, but no one was sending aid. No red cross. No place to seek refuge. Children were starving. I’m not saying feel bad for the south. They made a very wrong moral choice. Just say how it was.
elayne anderson thank you that was very clear. But yes I stand by you with the south did many, many, many things morally wrong
My grandfather’s grandfather was a prisoner there. I remember seeing his Union saddle in my grandfather’s barn when I was a kid.
How old are you?
I’m 50, my grandfather was born in 1901, I was born in 1969.
@@yousold3191 I'll be 60 by the end of this week. Did you assume that boomers don't watch RUclips?
Frédéric Letellier ok boomer
@@peanutbuttersandwich5015 nice.
Always amazed at how cruel we can be to each other.
Imagine being an American soldier captured by American soldiers.
My Aura Is Clean It Brought Me Here they weren’t American soldiers, that was the whole point.
My Aura Is Clean It Brought Me Here they weren’t Americans anymore the confederate soldiers are traitors and lucky they all weren’t tried for treason
Traitors who tried their damndest not to be american *
They were still native to the US hence they're American. The Russian civil war were Russians vs Russians.
@@6idangle I have to say, though I disagree with what they stood for, that the southern states resembled the constitution way more than the north.
Well... That doesn't seem very civil.
@Loren Stevens I've lived in North Carolina for 30 years, I've never heard any southerner call it that. Nobody's called it that since like 1880, except for Civil War reenactors and Confederate apologists who embarrass the rest of us
Slavery wasn’t civil but yet they still did it🤷🏾♀️
Loren Stevens the fuck? i never heard that name and i live in south louisiana
one sided and full of errors/LIES
Carlos!!!
I've recently discovered an ancestor of mine spent time in Andersonville. He reportedly didn't recover from what he endured, though no document I've found explains what it was. This place was brutal.
Doesn’t explain what what was? Also, my 3rd great grandfather, Capt. Andrew R Fagan, was a Pennsylvania infantry captain for the Union. He had three horses shot out beneath him and his most notable presence in a battle was when he led in the battle of Gettysburg.
I had an ancestor who spent time in a Confederate prison camp, not Andersonville, I don't think, although it could have been. When he came home from the war, he spent the rest of his days sitting on the porch, not reading, not whittling, just sitting and staring. Then he'd go in and go to bed. I assume he ate sometimes, because he lived to be an old man.
All POW camps were equally brutal, inhumane, hateful, on both sides.
@@briannat1086 that is not true and is actually old lost cause propaganda which may be the reason that you think this disproven nonsense or if that is not the case than you willfully lying. the union did not treat prisoners any where nearly as bad as the confederates did.
@@kingjoe3rd YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG
Worked at Andersonville when I was 17. It would be a experience beyond misery to be held there in the 1860s.
@troll-man you know...there is a park there...people work there to this day!!!!!!!!
My great, great uncle was a prisoner at Andersonville. Was recently there and was able to look up his name. He was from Kentucky. His Name was John Adams. He was able to escape and reunite with the Union Army. When the war was over he was discharged south of Atlanta and had to make his own way back to his home in Kentucky.
Being a civil war prisoner was absolute torture
been there a while have you? lol
Could not have been fun, my 2nd Great Father and a bunch of other 8th Vermont Vol.'s, got captured in Louisiana, in 1862, the Rebs shot 8 German immigrants as "deserters", 3 months later the rest were "paroled", he served until July of 1865, I have his and his son's (3rd Vt. light artillery) discharge papers. If you read the casualty lists for the Regiments, lots of soldiers died from disease, and these were not prisoners.
Sounds like a good time to me
Your statement would carry more weight if you had a mustache
Being a slave was even worse
My great grandfather was there 😢. He survived to father my clan. He lived to 1904. His picture haunts me. It was a picture of a man who deeply disgruntled from the pain and horror that he had endured. He joined the the Indiana 42nd at the beginning of the war and was mustered out when it was over. His unit was in 50 major battles and skirmishes. How he ever lived to tell about it, I will never know.
Deborah Chapman that’s amazing and to be connected to such a horrible event in history...I don’t have the words for this
Your great grandfather lived to tell about it because he was a badass. God bless that man.
My great great was there. They may have know each other.
@@aurorawolfe6060 I guess so 😎
Our family probably fought in the same battles at some point. 3 of my 3rd great grandparents fought for the Union one was a Zouave in the 2nd Delaware, another in the Iron Brigade, and another in the Bucktail Brigade.
"Just following orders" has never been accepted as a excuse for war crimes.
But it has?
Sadly you are wrong it has bred accepted in the past but thankfully it is MUCH less viable since WW2
Yeah because in trials for war crimes the prosecutors would always state that the officers in charge even following orders to commit atrocities is enough for them to be executed even if it was just orders happened alot at the Nuremberg trials which rightly was a good thing they deserved that even if they were just following orders
supremesoldier354 there’s no excuse, should ‘ave used a slower hanging system
Michael Andrew Imagery It does sometimes but in some cases it won’t, and personally I’d rather die than be party to genocide
"Just following orders" isn't an excuse for mass murder. It just ain't
WW2, for instance.
Lmao thanks captain obvious.
@@red_menace1829 chill
@@AP-uc7oz a PRTFECT example of someone who just can't let it go...the guy was obviously just adding to.his example...
I believe Forest Gump said it best , , stupid izz Azzaro stupid Duuzzzzah !!
Chill, is not part this this @$$ Wads Lifestyle... im sure his whole house is quite Miserable. 😳🤦♀️ as is the work place, Walmart grocery store gas station... OBVIOSLY.. NOT a social butterfly...
@@Shuggies I take it that English wasn't your strong subject in school.
I live near Camp Ford in Tyler, TX. Conditions were equally dismal there. Even the Confederate-friendly narrative described a horrific existence. Towards the end of the Civil War, the Confederates accepted food and clothing for the POWs from the Union.
And they took the supplies for themselves. The Confederates were definitely the bad guys of the war.
Precisely. Wirz' demonization as knowingly aiding in the horrors at Andersonville is somewhat untrue, as he barely had the resources to properly house, feed and clothe the prisoners when the camp opened. As the war dragged on, the resources he was allocated became increasingly pitiful and poor in quality. The camp worked with what it had, which was little and often quite terrible.
@@comettamer exacly
@@comettamer
without counting the numerous gang between prisoners it was not at all planned to keep at the time of prisoners as long at the base
@@E180TEKNO Right. There were plans to build larger camps over time, but that was when the Confederacy was winning the war and felt it might have in a year or two, the resources to do so. Then the Union began to turn the tide and such plans were put aside so the Confederate government could focus on fighting back.
I have a relative who survived Andersonville and the subsequent death march that many prisoners were lead on once it was clear that the Union army would soon take the camp. Supposedly, he knew the man who took down the camp and so he asked him to have a cane carved from one of the original palisades. I don’t know if the wood is actually from the walls or not since my relative was not actually there when it was made but at least that’s what he believed. Anyway, my grandmother still has the cane and it has always been one of those family stories that has just stuck with me
I know what you mean some of those old family stories are inaccurate but they live on the good example is my family has a rifle that everybody says was used in the Civil War it wasn't it was made 20 years too late when I proved that to my grandpa he was like well no wonder why I've never seen it in a museum for the Civil War
That any human would allow another human to be mistreated by such a huge degree is unfathomably disgusting! Both Union and Confederate armies had instances of serious moral failings regarding their gross lack of care for the general, overall health of POWs. This video covers Camp Sumpter/Andersonville, but Camp Douglas in Chicago, IL is often referred to as the Union's equivalent of that particular camp. It's frustrating - and I don't know why it can take generations for humanity to learn from past horrid events, but the world did eventually start to agree upon humane treatment of POWs after WW2 and the Geneva Conventions. So, let's hope for a continued upward trend of how humans choose to treat each other.
I lived in Ft. Benning, GA as part of a military family and in 1987 visited Andersonville with my elderly parents, two WWII veterans. The place had an eerie, sad and deathly feel about it. We were all shaken after the visit.
You should talk about the Puritans or a day in the life of a puritan
I like this idea.
That's career suicide they'll slander away like it's there job to
Interesting idea, and could lead into videos about other sects such as the strange founding of the Mormons to name but one.
@@shinyshinxlvl9913 I'm sure the native Americans probably felt like they were being slandered too eh
Oh man, or maybe talk about those poor millennials, boy they have it rough.
My great great grandfather was a confederate POW in Chicago/Illinois. We have recently uncovered some of his letters home ( to the blue ridge mountains, NC) amazing stuff. His brother passed away in his arms at the prison... I’ve always heard of the horrors of the union pows, so it’s been interesting learning that both sides pow camps were pretty f’in awful.
My great-great great grandfather was a prisoner at Andersonville Prison. It's a miracle he survived to live a normal life but I'm sure he had emotional scars like other prisoners of war.
What a lot of people forget is that there were many soldiers who fought against their own family members because of their beliefs. Brothers actually raised arms against each other.
We could use version 2.0
Had a great, great uncle that survived Andersonville. Great Gram told me that she remembered him only talking about it one time when she was little, and remembered it very clearly 'till the day she died since it was so vivid. I know Uncle Joe is in heaven.....he already went to hell.
History has consistently proven that, as long as humans inhabit the earth, it will repeat itself.
Christiaan Kinne what will repeat itself?
@@LoLiFeVA History. Atrocity.
Wot like no way. Not like I’ve heard that a million times before
i've honestly never seen something as terrible and horrible as much as the american history, first they steal a land and kill its native people, then they absolutely put each other in something way beyond hell i mean that is considered extreme even to medieval standards, then everything after that is constant and continuous atrocities against other nations, i have honestly never seen a nation with such a dirty history as much as the USA, it is absolutely fucking disgusting.
@@LynnIronLightning agreed. And American politicans have the nerve to say its the "best country in the world".
So somewhere in the US, there's a statue commemorating a guy who ran a concentration camp...
Thank You Sir!
But you are taking about children and not men!
Yup, that’s the South for ya.
I toured Andersonville in 2015 and went to the small town where the plaque is, it’s in the middle of the street. I thought it was odd then, let alone in today’s woke society.
Yeah, FDR.....
@@danmarshall3225
According to the late historian Edwin Bearss, former chief historian for the National Park Service, the Andersonville camp had a large number of deaths due to its large population. He claimed the camp with the highest death rate was Elmira Prison in New York.
My great great great Grandfather, Luke Covert, fought for the Confederate Army, was captured and held prisoner in Indiana where he eventually died before the war was over. I've been to the cemetery in Indianapolis where he's buried in a mass grave with other Confederates. My heart goes out to the families of all POW's, Union or Confederate.
My great great grandad was also a confederate. Got lost somewhere in a prison miss Mildred my great great grandma wrote that she thought it was his skeleton haunting her
What if you make a video of how was life like for WW1 POW?
That´s mostly a matter of which side you fought before being PoW and which side took you Prisoner. Between the Germans and British it was relatively easy and good life. As German in a russian PoW-Camp? Depends on the Commander of the Camp.
@@ArtjomKoslow your thinking of ww2 in ww1 there was red Cross organizations on all sides.
@@chip9649 There is actually a good Book about the german-russian Topic: "Armee hinter Stacheldraht" or in english "Army behind barbed wire".
@@ArtjomKoslow Not towards the end. The German could hardly feed themselves, let alone prisoners. Pictures of Brits look half starved to death.
Maybe should've titled "What it would've been like to be a PoW in the Confederacy." Or "What was life like in Andersonville."
Right, because they didn't say a word about how Confederate soldiers were treated (usually summarily executed)
@@heathernikki5734 Well tbf, Confederate Prisoners tended to have it better off in Northern prison camps since the North had an Infastructure that could support the holding of prisoners. If they were executed, punished, etc, that's because the Rebel soldier either got on the nerves of a Union officer or attempted an escape. But actually, Executions of rebel prisoners were quite rare.
I can tell you how outraged the Union army was during the releasing of Prisoners from Andersonville were though, immediately calling the officers of the camps and the soldiers guarding it "War Criminals" and I do believe there was a procession to have them hung/executed but I am not sure if it went through as due to reconstruction.
@@dallasjonpaulgrove547 you might want to read up on Camp Douglas near Chicago. According to Union records somewhere between 4,000 to 6,000 southern soldiers died there under Union care.
@@james_baker I guess my choice in vocabulary was unclear when I said "Tended to be better off" also, compared to Andersonville's casualty count, I stand by what I said. I never said Confederate Prisoners were treated with respect, or even treated humanely in some situations, just that if you were gonna be a prisoner during the American Civil War, then better to be a rebel prisoner in the north than a yankee prisoner in the south.
@@dallasjonpaulgrove547 Technically you are correct sir. With a death rate of around 15% for Union pows in the south vs a death rate of 12% for southerners in the north, you would better off in the north but just barely. Bottom line is both sides treated pows despicably.
Not gonna lie. If lying a fake allegiance meant Id be able to go home and avoid suffering and likely dying, I’d need a hell of a reason to turn that down..
I don't recall where I saw this or heard this, but there is a historical precedent where accepting such a offer would actually just get you killed by your captors, as they discovered you're a traitor to your own kind. I definitely heard this but I can't offer the example I am thinking of at the moment.
@@bremflo Yeah I have heard that as well, also not sure in relation to what specifically. But it does make sense, I was thinking this can't be real, what's wrong here. That would explain it. The fact that according to the source nobody, not one man accepted the offer, kind of hints that it might not be genuine. Also if something seems too good to be true...
And yeah, if you betrayed the army you got captured fighting for, what's to guarantee you won't just do it again? It seems like an effective test of character, like bait, they knew that any man who took it couldn't be trusted. What's to stop them defecting again, or deserting, or even sabotaging/ killing their own ranks when given the opportunity. A shady deal for sure, though I'm surprised the temptation didn't entice anyone; even if they knew it was a certain death, surely it was better than waiting around to catch a disease and die slowly? And then opting to make for the deadline fence in order to die a quick death as is stated did indeed happen? So why did no-one take the option, if that is in fact certainly the case, is something I would like to know
Of course that private may just not have known anyone who did, or he could have been covering up the truth to make the Union look better, wouldn't be the first time history was embellished by the victors
me too sorry but not sorry
I don't blame you! My first allegiances are to my spiritual beliefs, my family, and myself. I do NOT ever want to be in the situation of these POWs, but if I were I'd decide on the oath taking based on how it fit in with my aforementioned priorities. Sometimes the greatest good for yourself is to fake an oath, return to and provide for your family. Sometimes the greatest good for you is to stand by and follow through on what your heart and conscience believe in.
What was sad is when a southerner, from Northeast Tennessee, was faithful to the union of his father's and joined the Northern Army and was captured by the Confederate Army and sent to Andersonville, there was no return for the poor soul. They hated Yankees, but despised their fellow southerners who took a different path.
It was a sad affair indeed and so many people up North hate me and my people and our homeland just because we're Southern.
Sounds like what’s happening today If your a Trump supporter the Dems want you dead
one of the most dangerous things a person can say is "i was just following orders"
It's as if having a boss gives you a free pass to do anything they tell you.
Well you gotta have some excuse. It's not like they're going to say, I'm a sadistic person.
It's not like you have much of a choice...
@@ArtjomKoslow there is always a choice. I will die before I hurt another person
Artjom Koslow blind loyalty isn't loyalty at all
The union also had a prison that was just as notorious you should do a story on that as well great job
Camp Douglas, out side of Chicago.
@@james_baker and Elmira.
And the North had plenty of food. And they didn’t have a southern Sherman burning everything to the ground.
Of course it was wrong either way..but the Confederates did already behave that way. They were commiting the most disgusting and depraved acts of cruelty on millions already. Doesn't make it okay that the Union acted, in turn, but I understand why they did. (If they did). I mean..ripping babies out of wombs? Chopping off limbs. Whipping children till crippled. Assaulting women where sometimes death occured. That's. That's pretty damn depraved.
@@myishenhaines1706 you sound depraved..and full of crap
My great-grandmother would tell me about her great-uncle who escaped Andersonville by playing dead. She never went into great detail about what he went through in there and I fully understand why.
Mine got out too, but I don’t know how.
Stalin: “WRITE THAT DOWN”
I don't think you know anything at all about Stalin.
@@hollyw9566 dude take a joke
I think Stalin might think even that is too far.
My Great-Great-Great-Grandfather died as a prisoner in Andersonville.
I'd love to see a "sequel" to the Los Alamos video, this time about Oakridge , Tn. Thanks for the great videos and content!!
Theres also Camp Douglas in Chicago, IL which has been described as the North's Andersonville
Andersonville has been on my bucket list for 30 years
I finally was able to visit yesterday. I was heartened to find to find it so peaceful, after so much horror. I feel that it was due to the effort of so many individuals and organizations who worked to make sure these men were not forgotten. God bless them. The museum there is dedicated to all POWS in every war
Well worth the trip. I deeply felt my trip helped me to understand and remember all soldiers who died and survived the prison.
Me too. I've visited Auschwitz, but not Andersonville. As soon as I have a reason to go to Georgia, I'll go there!
You should do a video of Camp Douglas in Chicago. My great, great grandfather died their.
Watching your videos in the morning, while doing my makeup getting ready for work has become so routine on my Sunday’s ☺️
Henry Wirz: I just followed orders! Not me to blame.
Himmler: Ja.. ja! Ich only follow die oorder!
Göring: Ja! Give us a statue, like die liberty!
Peter Goezinya No it was worse hundreds of years of enslavement and suffering
@@lTha208l Maybe you can correct me, if I am wrong, but I do not know of any ship operated by the Confederate Navy or under a Confederate flag, that ever brought in slaves. The last ship that did so, illegally I might add, was in 1858, before the war. The ships in the United States brought in slaves earlier though.
@@shiibii6360 actually, no slave ship ever flew the Confederate flag. It would have been a Union flag flying from that slave ship! The first national flag of the confederacy wasn't introduced until 1861, three years after the illegal slave ship arrived!
The incredible personal integrity, grit, and character these men possessed to be able to turn their backs on the opportunity to gain freedom by taking an oath. That sense of loyalty to their country is something we could use in our politicians today... These men had a sense of honor and courage that seems missing in so many today. Sad.
I mean most of them were under the age of 18 also so if u want to go back to a times 15 year old fought in war then go for it
I had 9 ancestors die in Andersonville. I never knew what they went through. Thank you for covering this
@Clint Eastwood harsh much?I would ask if she was shure it was nine
This reminded me of the movie Ravenous for some reason. You should watch it, whomever is reading this
it is a very good movie thanks for reminding me of it, gonna to watch it again after many years, I think it is the XIX century setting and the army connection what brought it to your mind even if the movie takes place before the Civil War.
"Whats so Civil about War anyway?"
Madsmore G&R
Basically the Southern Elite started a war because they were scared that their way of making money would be taken away from them.
The US called that war "civil war" because they refused to recognize the Confederation as an independent country. For Washington they were just rebels within their own country.
Frédéric Letellier Or I was just quoting GnR?
Robert Watts That is true. I just liked the GnR quote to bring myself levity.
Ive visited Andersonville a few years ago and that place is seriously spooky. Very surreal. You can definitely feel another presence with you every step you take. I was happy that afternoon when we left.
I bet the feeling there was erie..all those who suffered and lost their lives.
My 4th-great Uncle was one of those 13,000 prisoners who died in Andersonville, apparently in the stockades. I can only hope he didn't suffer as much as some of the others mentioned in the video
I had a great-grandfather who was in that prison. He survived, although I don't know how. Every time I think I have it rough, I'm going to remember him.
when you said "could history repeat itself?" it sort of did. those were very similar to concentration camps
*conservatives
shedd45 no not even close
TheWingedHussar to clear this up, these really weren't what concentration camps were, but they had the same idea, same think when the Japanese-Americans were rounded up and put into camps. isolating a certain people. i am jewish my self, and i know that they were much worse
@@soulz55 no, I'm responding to the guy saying hitler took the idea of eugenics and camps from conservatives
He said "in America"
This failed to mention that the Confederacy kept tryimg to exchange these prisoners but Grant cut out exchanges thus insuring that the POWs lived in hell. They ate not much less than the CSA soldiers did. The North had pl;enty of provisions but the North's prisons were hell holes too.
"When they were lucky enough to receive meat, it was usually condemned pork. Offensive in appearance and smell" ...
So hot dogs, they got hot dogs...🌭
The commander of Andersonville was hanged for war crimes after the war.
Goooood
The commandant of Plattsburgh should have been hung as well.
I believe he was also the only southerner executed for war crimes by the north.
Thank god
Soft ass blue coats
My Great Grandfather, 58th Alabama, was captured at Missionary Ridge and held for 2 years at Rock Island Prison. The conditions in Northern prisons were horrible and many Confederates were starved and died unnecessarily. One must remember the whole South was starving during the war. Not so in the North so there is no excuse.
Although my g-grandfather made it home after the war, the family said he was forever changed from his experience at Rock Island Prison. Northern prisons were terrible and no one was ever held to account for the atrocities.
Well said
Uh... the South wanted to continue slavery. It’s pretty hard to complain about the North when the entire Civil War was about whether wealthy white people could own other people.
That said, war is horrible and often changes people, and ideally we should never go to war in the first place.
While we are at it let's do a segment on Point Lookout in Maryland, Elmira prison in NY, and Camp Douglas in Chicago...
Yes. The Union didn't realize that the Confederate soldiers were faring little better than their prisoners. They too were starving to death. So they took out their rage about Andersonville on the Confederate prisoners. It tells a horrible tale about how humankind's better natures often don't prevail.
Are u sympathetic for slave owners
@@flashy_mad6854 Am I sympathetic to the 3 percent of southerners , both black and white, that owned slaves? No
I am sympathetic to those soldiers from down south that didn't own any slaves and frowned upon the institution but found themselves starving in a pow camp? Yes
@@flashy_mad6854 over 80% of Southerners didn’t own slaves prior to and during the Civil War.
@@flashy_mad6854 Very few confederates soldiers would have owned slaves you ignorant dolt. You think plantation owners took the field?!
My 3rd great grandfather Christopher C McEver 1836-1906 was taken by union soilders at cold Harbor virginia then was sent to a camp in new york. He survived and came back to Gainesville, hall, Georgia and settled down and had a family.
I would be interested in finding out how the Union treated Confederate prisoners.
Well, looking at wikipedia, which I know is not the best resource, and can be biased at times:
" The overall mortality rates in prisons on both sides were similar, and quite high. Many Southern prisons were located in regions with high disease rates, and were routinely short of medicine, doctors, food and ice. Northerners often believed their men were being deliberately weakened and killed in Confederate prisons, and demanded that conditions in Northern prisons be equally harsh, even though shortages were not a problem in the North.[9]
About 56,000 soldiers died in prisons during the war, accounting for almost 10% of all Civil War fatalities.[10] During a period of 14 months in Camp Sumter, located near Andersonville, Georgia, 13,000 (28%) of the 45,000 Union soldiers confined there died.[11] At Camp Douglas in Chicago, Illinois, 10% of its Confederate prisoners died during one cold winter month; and Elmira Prison in New York state, with a death rate of 25%, very nearly equaled that of Andersonville."[12]
Also, in general, while conditions on both sides were bad, the CSA also had to deal with a naval blockade and critical shortages of food which led to their own population starving to an extent at the end of the war, and critical shortages of military material. Which led to them using more and more captured Union equipment wherever possible including trying to dye captured uniforms and reuse them, which sometimes led to Confederate prisoners being executed shortly after capture as being "spies."
horrible, look at prison ships in new york harbor and all along the coasts....
BETTER,.
Union treated southern prisoners the same way.
There's a 1999 book titled "To Die in Chicago" by George Levy for sale online. It tells about Camp Douglas in what is now Chicago.
Both sides treated prisoners like this. War is Hell. As it should be.
Chris Snyder Why should it be? You agree that humans should act worse than animals? Okay. You’re an idiot. Humans shouldn’t be slaughtering eachother, period.
@@cordeliachase601 it should be as a deterrent to future war. I agree, humans shouldn't be killing each other. You say all that while attacking me verbally, for no reason. You are fucked up mentally. I never even mentioned what you claimed. You really should seek help and learn to have a conversation. What type of person attacks people without a true understanding of what is being said? Not a person society wants to deal with. Get over yourself.
@@chrissnyder8415 war has never been a deterrent to future war though, one country has just had a stronger army and so doesn't get attacked. The real deterrent is an open forum and dialogue where countries an air grievances. While that isn't foolproof its a far more effective way of preventing war
Yes, both sides treated prisoner badly. The South due to the lack of proper food and material for shelter. The North due to orders that prisoners that returned (they had a exchange system) were not to be in condition to be able to rejoin a fighting unit. After the North stopped the exchange system, Union prisoner had conditions even worse. As one Union General stated "War is hell and you can not refine it."
Cordelia Chase yeeeaaaa good luck with that one buddy. You should follow the teachings of stoicism. Be realistic and deal with the world as is and strive for self improvement. Only then can you hope to change things like human nature.
Excellent video. Ty !
Yes, history does have a way of repeating it self. Trying to erase all the bad will not make things better. Let's remember no matter how hard things were, we do have the chance to do better! Which means we have got to remember our history! Good or bad we must remember what happened to those who went first. Now we can do better, peacefully. Solidify the union as sanctuary for all!
Let’s start by remembering and learning about slavery, which was the reason behind the war!
@Buck Fiden the south fought to defend slavery. The north fought to preserve the union
I heard a talk at my Civil War Round Table about Andersonville that was very detailed. The speaker clearly had Union sympathies, but I was convinced of Wirz's relative innocence. I'm sure Wirz followed orders, but when you look closer at his actions in an impossible situation, you see that he really was doing the best he could under the circumstances. I don't suppose anyone at his trial was willing to give him any grace.
@Thomas Simmons I would have to do a lot more research to do any defending. I am simply suggesting that as we study history there is often more to the story. The American Civil War is a prime example. As you learn more you realize there are a lot of complicated things happening. As I recall from that CWRT speaker, Wirz allowed the prisoners to try and execute some marauding fellow prisoners. As for allowing his men to execute prisoners without cause, that would be terrible, but possibly no different from other prison camps at the time. My biggest distress is that Lincoln would not agree to the prisoner exchanges proposed by Davis which would have removed these poor men from the whole situation.
Life of the average native American! Obviously very different tribes, but maybe something with the Blackfoot or Cheyenne Indians.
Or the Shawnee...they were pretty fascinating and violent.
Native Americans are fascinating.
@@haileywinder4364 uh no
@@heathernikki5734 Yeah I'm bored of the narrative that Native Americans weren't violent assholes.
Stop calling them Indians frickin racist ,Indians live in India . You mean woo woo woo woo not red button push start you racist. lol
My great-great grandfather was at Andersonville for the entirety of the existence of the prison. He described the deadline and the hellhole it was in his life history. I suspect he had a different opinion of Captain Wirz than the Daughters of the Confederacy who erected the plaque in his honor.
" I was JUST following orders. "
Wirz wasn't the last to use those words.
Amazing work man
My grandmother's uncle James Lane died in Camp Douglas POW prison, IL (near what is now Lincoln Park in Chicago)in Feb 17, 1865. He was one of 6,000 who died there in a Union POW prison. His two brother also captured the same day were there also. Corbin Marin Lane, brother #2) was released after the war and survived Camp Douglas. Nathaniel (#3) signed ian oath of allegiance to the Union and was inducted into the Union Army and sent to Colorado to fight Indians. Months later he was crippled when his horse fell on him and was released from the Army. He eventually made it back from Colorado to Virginia, walking most of the way. He was crippled for the rest of his life. Was Andersonville worse, probably but the South was blockaded throughout the War. I'm not sure they could have done much better given they couldn't feed their own soldiers. Camp Douglas was also a hellhole too and the North didn't have that same excuse. Tough SOBs. I live near Miami, it's 70F and I'm pissed because my feet are cold (it was below 60 last night ). Fuck the Good Ol' Days!
Yes. Hope they do a story on this pow camp too.
My great Grandfather was one of the few thousand, who survived russian captivity after Stalingrad. He was a soldier in the Austrian army. I'm Danish btw.
My 2x great grandfather was there as well. He said he found God there and was called to be a minister
That was the British who fought Indians. Your grandmother's uncle fought against Native American nations.
RCW this comment deserves more attention. I paused the video to read this. What a story! Great ending too 😂
I lived in the Philippine “squatter” neighborhoods back in he late 80s as a child. We know what’s it like to drink contaminated water and still live to tell about it. In fact, my homeboys and I to this have what we call “the third world country immune system”. We can drink water from any contaminated source in the world and still live. While others.. not so lucky. We literally lived in Andersonville as kids. Minus the fact we actually ate whatever what was left on our neighbors table when it was unattended.
r/iamverybadass and that’s cap
Kamusta ka?
BunzNammo-
Just curious, but where do you reside now? I’ve read about squatters and slums on the outskirts of Manila, and it’s crazy that a lot of the labor and domestic workforce (i.e. construction/factory workers, nannies/maids) are so underpaid that they’re relegated to live under such vile conditions.
It’s upsetting to know that the middle and upper-class lifestyle of comfort is pretty much built on the backs of the working poor.
wow squatter dati tapos magaling na mag english tas mukhang naka ahon pa ata sa hirap
aba milagro hahahaha
paano kayo naka ahon? nag ofw ka or maganda lng course mo sa college? (law, engineering, medicine)?
As bad as your situation was, still doesn't come close to compare to the conditions at the camp. That only goes to show how terrible it was.
A+ video!
What a nightmare to experience that hellhole!
My 4x great grandfather, Joshua Torrance, was a Union soldier who fought at Gettysburg and was captured twice by the rebels. He spent just over a year combined in Libby Prison and Andersonville Prison. Lived to the ripe age of 80 or 81 years old (1844-1925), widower for 24 years (wife died 1901), father of 4-6 children (2 died as infants, we discovered when visiting his grave; we'd never heard of them before), and was extremely active in his community until he felt he was too old to continue on various committees and positions. Huge write up in the paper when he died, as he was (according to the obituary) the last Union soldier veteran from the area to pass away.
like cold mountain
Anyone who says they were just following orders never had the humanity to question them.
Or just wanted to stay alive?
the times were different too. Most of the guys I served with in the Marines would refuse to follow unlawful orders. There were only a few messed up dudes that might thou, usually the fucked up ones from Kentucky or some deep South State
What a noble thought I will sacrifice myself and my family to save someone they are just going to kill anyway. People with brilliant ideas like that are what used to take care of the removing under preforming DNA from our gene pool. Sadly not those people are rewarded this sec 8 housing, food stamps, free phones I could go on and on but hopefully you get the point by now.
@@scottsickel1763 I get the point; you believe in what is called Social Darwinism is Eugenics or more plainly, you're a radical German Nationalist. I was born in Berlin, I'm glad you're not in a position with real authority.
@@Pure_Havoc I believe it was a fictional Marine who said, "I didn't sign up for this s#it." before turning around and refusing to participate in genocide. I believe it; Marines have an incredible amount of loyalty to each other and their families.
Worked at Andersonville one summer. Heartbreaking place.
I live about 15 minutes from the camp and it’s museum. You can travel around the grounds to see the guard lines and dead lines. Some walls have been recreated and many memorials have been created. The museum is also free to tour. The hundreds of graves are also free to see.
Waiting for the regin of terror weird history
love your videos, please make more war videos!
I had a relative that was a prisoner at Andersonville. He tried escaping 3 times and was successful on the 3rd try. He escaped by taking the Confederates deal to join them. After he was out of the camp he busted a move up north to rejoin the Union unit from Michigan. After the war he moved to Florida. I’m thankful he not only survived (because I wouldn’t be here) but also he left Michigan for North west Florida. So we dodged being Michigan fans and became Bama fans instead. The man was a genius.
I love that two yr old videos from your channel show up on my fyp. Giggity.
Rule number one of warefare: *Never surrender*
That’s restarted u know you would if it meant one more second of being alive don’t shit on our dead
Ok now do a video on how the union treated their prisoners
the union army were very brutal and treacherous God will deal with those who lie and oppress people
Treasonous scum. We should have shot the whole south
@@tonyballerxxxx democrats today
@@tonyballerxxxx So you advocate for shooting innocent civilians? How fully of justice and love you are. I'm a Southern person so should I be shot by your damn logic?
@@tonyballerxxxx Exactly. That whole slavery-loving culture should have been wiped out. America would be great today if it had. Sherman was a lazy quitter.
Great video! In a similar vein, I suggest a video on what it was like to be a British convict sent to Australia. Also life as a prospector in the California or Klondike Gold Rush.
My 4th great grandfather who fought for the confederacy was a pow who was taken from Vicksburg. He later was exchanged and had to amputate his own leg afterwards. Thank you for your service Aaron Dupree Penton.
Those who cannot remember or learn from the past are condemned to repeat
Tell that to the people who say to get over slavery because it happened so long ago 🙄
@@rudytabooty8640 what has slavery to do that
Richard Rosenvinge because people want to keep statues of traitors as “history” but don’t want to remember the history of slavery/racism in this country
@@rudytabooty8640 that can maby be but it is the wrong way to do it you can not change what has been only what can happend we as people must NEVER try to erase history that is the absolutly the worst thing we can do those statue belong in a museum not to be destroyed much of the debate of today is not responsible but hysterically we must learn the diffrence
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR UPLOADING THIS 😭 Perfect research for a screenplay I’m writing.
Thank you for this video. I knew a little bit of this but not all of it. Thank you for providing the in-depth detail of Prisoners of the Civil War.
Much appreciated from katrinka, San Francisco Bay Area🌺🌴
Been here a few times. The museum is creepy af
I'm not defending anything, nor am I taking sides. But remember , the solders themselves often had no shoes. You can read letters written by solders explaining how happy they were to feast on a palm full of candle wax and berries. If anything can be learned, it's that war brings suffering and there's little you can do about it. Very sad indeed. edit = very good video OP. I subscribed.
If soldiers had horrible conditions and therefore could understand the horror of beeing POW, why did they do everything possible to worsen POW condition? Except for hate, revenge and "fun".
There is absolutly no excuse. And remembering soldier condition is irrelevant here except for the food. [If you can't eat yourself, you won't feed the prisonners 1rst]
@@lepangolin4080 Men in poor conditions tend to take it out on those below them. These camps were a shitshow.
The northern ones weren't often much better. Though the soldiers were often better fed and better outfitted.
Though they had the benefit of guarding traitors vs those under a government who wanted to end their way of life.
@@SoulDevoured ending slavery*
@@lepangolin4080 Most of the south didn't actually expect slavery to end under Lincoln. They expected increasing restrictions that made the economy (based on slavery) less functional. Basically slowly and systematically making things too difficult to keep investing in slavery and then eventually declaring it illegal after it was functionally dead.
Lincoln did not intend to emancipate. It was only because the country was already at war and they were in a position to make such terms that he and congress pushed it through during his term.
The politicians of the south expected a slow dismantling of slavery. And other inconveniences like a similar move during the start of the industrial revolution that made developing factories in the south SO expensive that it basically prevented most of the south from industrializing... and thus moving away from slavery.
A bunch of really screwed up games in politics and business that had nothing to do with morals enabled slavery, enabled the succession, enabled the war, and eventually ended it all.
Basically the people in power supported all that stuff until they stopped profiting from it.
There was alot of business rivalry, political rivalry, and press/cultural rivalry that contributed to the division of the south and north.
I'm quite sad that stuff isn't emphasized more in history class because I think it's the most important lesson we can learn in the modern day. If some people had tried harder to bring the nation together I can't see it splitting apart as quickly and severely as it had.
People in the south legitimately thought that the north was trying to systematically destroy them. And given the 'racism' between city and rural folk and regions and the press going along with that stuff, on top of the biases of legislation (such as with the factory tax),... well I'm not saying it's the cause but I think that if those types of things weren't built up over years then less states would have probably followed the first to succeed and more like VA and WV would have split over the issue.
Southerners really did think that the north was just out to destroy them, not end slavery on moral grounds.
And recent history had given propaganda alot of ammo.
I see similar things today and it concerns me.
@@SoulDevoured Maybe.
Not my country, I know it's one of the few pieces of history of yours.
But for every foreigners, the "winner propaganda" won with the war (like when you heard is US you are directly responsible for WWI win when everybody in the rest of the world know you haven't done a lot (except of course creating the most powerfull economy of the world and get it paid by european)) and we are told that "north = anti-slavery" "south = salve owner not happy with new law restreining slavery".
And from what I've been told, southern really wanted to win the war to keep the slavery active and called that "keeping our way of life".
I'm not saying northern american were "better" or "nicer" or they deserve heaven etc. I'm just saying, that the southern goal was just the worst anyway. And I really don't get why people still try to defend those guys who killed thousands just to keep the right to kill many more (but with diffrent color so...meh)
I'm almost 100 percent sure weird history won't cover The Devil's Punch Bowl. It happened in Natchez, MS.
Love your videos, I love the historical details that doesnt get told , I'm from East Tn. And I would love for you to do a video about early Appalachian life, "hygiene, food, med etc. " . More details the better. Thank you
Will you guys make a video talking about the treatment of Confederate soldiers inside Union prisons?
Andersonville was one vivid book, utterly chilling.
Didn’t they say “ I was just following orders” at Nuremberg
He was only following orders in that he was ordered to oversee the prison. The Confederate didn't live in much better conditions. They were on starvation rations as well. You want to see who was just following orders. Look up Camp Douglas or Plattsburgh. Those Union camps were equivalent to what was at Andersonville with the exception that it was calculated by the Union
That’s so eerie. It makes me queasy
Because they were.
Stephen Tucker good 1
@@Marvellousmargot Well of course soldiers were. I see holding the higher higher ups responsible but the common soldier couldn't do or know anything.
I have been there. It is a very solemn place. I honestly would never go at night. That place give you an uneasy feeling.
My 3x great grandpa Edwin T Marsh was held here as a union prison of war. He wrote a diary that my grandmother recently found and it’s on display at the museum. He later went on to be the man who let Susan B Anthony cast her ballot illegally in NY. He took his loss of freedom and gave it to women and their right to vote
The Tv Movie Andersonville is a good movie about this.
Thanks I'll check it out!
I'll have to check it out.
02:42 me when WW3 starts
Please make a video of Angelica Schuyler Church. Thank you! Your channel is awesome.
There's a very magnificent and somber site and POW museum at Andersonville. I'd highly recommend this place.
On the subject of camps, both sides detained POWs in abhorrent conditions. Elmira was a notorious union camp.
Now I can this is addictive, I listen to you before I sleep and when I wake up, at the moment I'm in the toilet watching 😂
I love your videos and love learning history. Could u do a video on the St. Patricks Battalion
Please do one for allied POWs under the Japanese, WW2.
Basically Andersonville but with more shooting, beheading and torture.
And one for the German pows, women and children under the allies WW2...
“Just following orders” hmmm. Does anyone else find this Nuremberg-esque? That was the same defense used in the Nuremberg trials by the Nazis.
Trying to kill off a Religion is difficult than people dying in a POW camp, am I sayin that the man that did those horrible things at the POW camp was a “good guy” No but you do know that there is a thing called order’s
This predates the nazi by almost 100 years
@@freestateproductions1790 he was a good guy WTF is something wrong with you
@@freestateproductions1790 if he was just following orders same could be said for the Nazis and the Holocaust camp those Soldiers were just following orders lol Yeah...
actually its common in every defence of officers which get trialed after they lost the war.
My 3rd Great Grandfather was a soldier in 44th Infantry, 1st Company. He was captured by Union forces at the battle of Spotsylvania Courthouse on May 10th 1864 and was taken to Fort Delaware where he remained until June 16th 1865.
My 3rd Great Grandfather Robert Slaughter Curd of the 11th Kentucky Cavalry, husband and father of 10, died in 1864 in Macon on a forced march from Andersonville through the town to Camp Oglethorpe. At least that is to the best of our knowledge, as he has no headstone, yet we know he was held at Anderson. He was 44 years old... How sad for the generations that came after him.
Maybe 1864*
@@aslan_kz_97 Oops! Thanks! Fixed it!
“We’ll let you out and give you money, but first you’ll have to swear allegiance t-“
“DONE!”
@@heyyall9378 based on the fact no one took them up on their offer, even with money, I do think it was legit. At that point in the was they were probably desperate for help.
Plus, it was most certainly confederate money, not US currency, so it would only be useful in the south and worth nothing in the north.
You should do something on the narcos of Mexico. Great Chanel btw
I will do for you .ALL countries that have the death penalty are doing better . If Mexico would have the death penalty the narcos would end . I am not interested to hear of Mexico's corruption and incompetence. Please don't do a documentary on Mexico's embarrassing government corruption . It's pathetic and easy to solve .