They mistreat their students at Pensacola Christian College (PCC), just as they horribly also do at Bob Jones University (BJU). I moved to Pensacola in 2021. PCC is in bed with BJU, making tons of money, which is all they care about. PCC and BJU don't give a damn about their students, expelling them for the tiniest of ridiculous offenses. I have also been banned from attending Campus Church at PCC, since August 2, 2022. My offense was that I dared to openly criticize the leadership at PCC on social media, which to them is like attacking God. I felt bad, so I apologized to the pastors of Campus Church and PCC, but they all refused to forgive me or allow me to come back to Campus Church. Where dwelleth the love of God? They refuse to forgive me at PCC and Campus Church, even though I apologized 3 times to the leadership of both institutions. I literally begged to come back to Campus Church. Their senior pastor, Jeff Redlin, at Campus Church berated me as a divorced person. He hates me so much that he won't let me attend church. Only a CULT does that. Jeff Redlin and PCC leadership, as well as Bob Jones leadership are out of touch with reality. These people are so hypocritical and full of religious snobbery that they cannot relate to normal people with problems in our life, like myself. I couldn't have been more humbly and kind to all these people, but the BJU and PCC camps are CULTS! When I kindly told Pastor Redlin that my former and only wife abandoned me in 2006, and I hoped to find a wife at Campus Church, he scolded me in July of 2021 for coming to church to find a wife. But I never said that was the reason I came to Campus Church, I simply made a brief remark in my email that I hoped to find a wife. I was 54 years old at the time. You don't scold adults for hoping to find a spouse. What is wrong with PCC? These people at BJU and PCC are hateful hypocrites, full of bigotry and arrogance. When Samantha Field was assaulted at PCC, nobody took her seriously. She was told by a staff member to let it go and "repent." That is how PCC and BJU deal with sex crimes, they blame the victim! The same thing happened to Shielagh Clark in 2005 at BJU, they expelled her for reporting that she had been assaulted. There is no genuine love, concern or compassion in these militant religious schools. In 2017, when I lived on Guam, I literally begged to come back to Harvest Baptist Church, but their BJU alumni senior pastor, Marty Herron, refused. Heron succeeded John Lewis as the senior pastor of Harvest from 1999 to 2018 when he quit. Marty is now ruining young people's lives as the incompetent vice president of Faith Baptist Church College and Theological Seminary in Ankeny, Iowa. Birds of a feather flock together. These religious con men are all connected between the PCC and BJU cults. Jeff Redlin, John Lewis, Marty Herron, Chuck Phelps, Gary Walton-all get paid outrageous 6-digit salaries! The love of money is the root of all evil. I got these quotes from Google reviews. But don't take my word for it, read what their own mistreated alumni have to say... “It is NOT a friendly environment. All they care about is rules instead of encouraging and building you up in your Christian walk.” -Hannah Elizabeth Kirchhoff (December 2022), mistreated former PCC student “They call themselves Christians, but Christians are supposed to show compassion and patience.” -Angela (January 2023), mistreated former PCC student “Don't go here if you're a Christian; they don't actually follow the Bible. They just use it as an excuse to treat people like trash.” -Danielle Tate (2016) “This institution did more to harm my personal development than any other. As a 38 year old professional, I still bear the scars of how I was treated by this harsh, unloving, uncaring college.” -Greg S (2015), a former abused PCC student “17 years later and I'm still shaking off the trauma. So many extra-biblical rules it'll make your head spin. Great place for Pharisaical training if your into that. The rule book has more rules than the Bible.” -Jorn Anderson (September 2022), former mistreated PCC student “Pcc is the worst school ever. It was a complete waste of my time and money. They kicked me out for going to the wrong Sunday school class. And that was a year ago. They still will not release my transcripts which has put me behind in my college career. They schools not be called a Christian college if they cannot even live by what the Bible has to say. If I was able to take it all back and not go there I would in a heartbeat. I am warning you if you are thinking about going DONT DO IT!!!!” -Gavin Bufford (2017), abused former PCC student “I'm a 2018 graduate of PCC and I went here for all 4 years. It's really sad that this place calls itself Christian, its legalistic places like pcc that give Christians a bad name. They do have a lot of rules regulating most areas of life. I was treated very poorly and rude by several "Christians" on staff and faculty and I saw many of my friends treated the same way. I've personally seen people who were once people I would hang out with, when given positions of leadership become legalistic monsters taking joy in getting as many students in trouble as possible, and this is done in the name of Christ! As a student you are guilty until proven innocent and can be kicked out just because someone accuses you of something.” -Nick Harrison (2019), a mistreated PCC alumni “It is NOT a friendly environment. All they care about is rules instead of encouraging and building you up in your Christian walk.” -Hannah Elizabeth Kirchhoff (December 2022), mistreated former PCC student “They call themselves Christians, but Christians are supposed to show compassion and patience.” -Angela (January 2023), mistreated former PCC student “In retrospect, I thank God for not having the opportunity to attend here (Pensacola Christian College) and myself for not making the decision to enroll.” -Richard Deuto (January 2023) “Crackpot unaccredited school.” -Meryl Montgomery (November 2022) They have no compassion or love for individual people at Campus Church or PCC. All I kindly asked for was permission to attend Campus Church, but Pastor Jeff Redlin refused and PCC leadership supported his hatred, so they deserve all the negative publicity that they get. The long list of abused PCC students and mistreated Campus Church members is growing! SHAME on PCC! People just want to be loved. “I am all for standards, but I am not for standards without love.” -Pastor Jack Hyles
Went there for three years, and…..it was kind of a surreal nightmare. I couldn’t even begin to describe or explain PCC. It’s not for everyone that’s for sure.
It is good to know there's At least one Christian establishment standing true to the biblically premised Christian teachings! Kudos to Pensacola Christian College, they have offered HOPE in a world of nonsensical depravity!
@Lucy Browne While my comment may appear to be in complete defense of Christianity, it is not at all my intent. I am vehemently opposed to ANY & ALL organized religions - HOWEVER, I recognize the "good" offered by the Christian Founding of America (not remotely close to so-called judeo-Christian Founding - whatever that is).. Christianity IS the ONE religion of peace (at least those falling under the Abrahamic umbrella, of which America's foundation is built upon)... Taking the good with the bad, while remaining optimistically pessimistic overall. I appreciate the fundamental Christian roots & system of values - but fall short of being a "subscriber"- I DO respect this particular establishment standing TRUE to their teachings though! A little less hypocrisy is well-needed in today's nonsensical times... (Also, by "vehemently opposed to organized religions," I do NOT mean to suggest GOD)
The very people who scream about 'cancel culture' are doing the canceling. I think the people and businesses that do not espouse their beliefs should cancel all their business with this college. So much for the loving and accepting principles of christianity.
I had a group’s performance cancelled there because the picture of our 30 piece group showed our female members in pants (not dresses). This place also requires that men tuck the remaining portions of their belts in because if not the remainder may “resemble the male phallus.” No kidding.
Believe me, the year they cancelled us the belt thing was part of their student rules. I wish I was smoking. You have to be pretty sick to come up with they stuff.
My parents were not perfect, but I'm grateful to them for never imposing "Christianity" on me or teaching me to shun those who lived different lifestyles than my own or what was "Biblical".
@Kirk Thomas I know about a dozen gay people, including one of my best friends. They all told me they were born gay, or knew at a very early age. Guess who's much more credible and who I'm gonna believe...them, or some random RUclips prig who only offers his ignorant conjecture?
I'm an upper classman here at Pensacola Christian College. Very few people care about going and listening to a group of singers who came from Britain, especially since attendance at the event was going to be required. No one talked about it other than a few interesting conversations around the dinner table for the next couple of days. There are no protests happening on campus. The security and student life offices would have shut those down immediately if they had happened. The environment is not hostile, it's quiet. No one on campus will remember this in another month. Whoever you are who told those blatant lies, look out. If student life finds out who you are (and they very easily could) you're looking at getting expelled.
@Isaiah Thomason amen to that! If anything, this decision will strengthen the Pcola Christian Community. One of our kids were enrolled at Pcola Christian Academy decades ago. Very glad to see the entity as a whole is standing up for their beliefs.
Deuteronomy states that if your daughter was seized by a man and they had sex, that man would be entitled to marry her, whether or not she wants to, as long as he paid you fifty pieces of silver. If upholding the Bible’s principles means to take it word for word, do you also uphold that principle? Or what about Exodus where it says that anybody who works on a Sunday should be put to death. Let’s hope you’ve never gone shopping on a Sunday, my fellow Christian ;)
Was this meant for another video? What they have done by pretending they are too good to hang out with a bunch of lowly sinners is anathema to the teachings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If the Son of God came down to this sin filled world to hang out with a bunch of sinners then no human has grounds to proclaim themselves too good to hang out with their fellow sinners. They have spat on Biblical principle with their actions.
@@mizu7662 They cancelled the concert because they believed it would be an implied endorsement of something they disagreed with, not because they 'didn't want to hang out with a bunch of sinners.'
@@jessiebrady2080 Spare me, we all know what they really mean under all the PR speak they put out about 'life style choices' and shit. "We think gays are filthy sinners and our immaculate pious selves are too good to hang out with their kind lest some of their sin rub off on us".
@@mizu7662 It's sad that so many assume the worst. Let me make this clear: they didn't address us students (yes, me included) with "pr speak." President Shoemaker (head the the college, which I somehow doubt you already new) told us exactly what happened.
Matthew 5:28 KJV but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Good to know that at PCC they don't need Jesus to grant them forgiveness.
I don't remember the part of the Bible where Jesus said 'thou shalt not listen to gay acapella singers'. I do, however, remember Jesus hanging out with a lot of sinners instead of saying He was too good for them.* Maybe this college needs to try actually reading scripture so they can know the correct answer in the matter of 'what would Jesus do if He found out a gay person was performing music'. Because I am telling you with 100% faith and conviction that Jesus would have set His holy ass down and listened to some amazing acapella music in this case. *See: Literally anytime He ever interacted with anyone human in the Bible because we are all sinners. But also He went out of his way to hang out with the kinds of people regular sinners falsely pretend are 'worse and lower then us' to make themselves feel better. By refusing to associate with this group because it 'contained a sinner' they have gone against the teachings of Jesus and are the ones living a life style that goes against His teachings.
the main problem with your statement was that jesus did not pay them or endorse their behavior. PCC did not want the actions of the king's singers to represent them.
@@johnjohnston3518 Its amazing how you have managed to so completely misunderstand the very most basic of the basics of the Christian religion. Jesus saves sinners, he doesn't condemn them. He was so pained by the notion of sinners suffering for their sins that he came down to Earth and suffered among us to give us an out. And no, that out wasn't to have humans become perfect sinless beings. if humans were capable of such then we wouldn't have had need of Jesus's intervention to begin with. Free yourself of the foolish delusion that you are anything but a wretched sinner or that you are in any way less sinful then the gay acapella singer this college has spurned!
@@joebob514 Jesus pays sinners the ultimate wage of salvation and eternal life in return for their services. Please educate yourself on the Bible if you think Jesus isn't willing to endorse sinners. The entire religion is effectively Jesus endorsing sinners so they can get into heaven.
The King's Singers are immensely talented and include a huge repertoire of Christian music. They frequently perform at Conservative Christian venues. This is a very sad decision.
Just because you sing Christian songs doesn't make you a Christian, just as wearing a cross doesn't. Scripture warns against acceptance of anything God says is wrong, but modern Christianity has already done this with several ideologies. Interracial marriages/relationships, heliocentrism, Jewry and other false gods, feminism, changing his word, are all examples of violations of God's law/doctrine.
@@Rattlerjake1 The Kings Singers are made up of 6 men who may or may not be Christians. Their recruitment is based on talent not religious conviction. However much of their repertoire is religious music and they have a long history of performing in front of religious audiences and teaching their skills to religious choirs. This is the first time in their 50+ year history their have been turned down for this reason. I won't go through all your list but the Bible has nothing to say about interracial marriage and Jesus himself was a Jew so it looks to me that you are the one making stuff up and claiming the word of God.
I agree as a Christian that we should Not and I repeat NOT accept that kind of vulgar lifestyle. We should love them yes but should we let them influence a student body, No we should not. The bible says that homosexuality is worse than beastailty. As a Christian teenager I think it is horrible that the adult's can't see this
Their lifestyle is contrary and a contradiction to holy scripture. Stand in front of God naked on your judgment day.. alone and argue with him about that behavior. Won't be pretty for billions of people for several reasons. What does my resume say? I'm in hope that I will be accepted into the kingdom of heaven I've done a lot of wrong however I've prayed and asked for mercy and forgiveness. I fear God.
This is fascism. Was the singing group there to SING? Yes. Were they there to have sexual relations on the stage? No. This is absurd Taliban type behavior to ban a singing group due to a singer's private life. DISGUSTING and exactly what's expected from the alt right whose values are perfectly inline with Taliban and Na#i type hate.
Disappointing. As a fellow Christian, this is a harmful, simplistic, and super short-sighted view of what it means to be Christian. Being gay is NOT a “lifestyle”, it’s who people are and how God created them. To discriminate against gay people and alienate them is what is truly an anti-Christian act and it’s far from what Jesus would have done. Love is love ❤
right stop believe in your lies. God created gay people, God created gay people, God created gay people, God created a man to use his anal canal for another man to force their penis into . RIGHT. God created a man and a woman, marriage is between a man and a women, until Jesus Christ come back to judge this world.
@@louispierre-ud7uw Dude, that statement alone tells me that this isn’t actually a Christian thing for you, it’s just fear. I bet if Jesus came down from Heaven right now and told you to be more accepting of gay people, you wouldn’t listen. You just have this need to antagonize other people who are different than you, don’t you?
Have you ever even read the bible ? have you heard about Genesis 2:24. Also stop with your circular nonsense, that it just a fear, I have need to antagonize bla bla bla. The word of God is crystal clear on every single issue. Two men introduces their penis into each other rectum/anal canal is a sin. two women introduces sex toy into each other wherever is a sin. Give me a break. Just repent.
@@translivesmatter99you're just repeating what others say and have no knowledge or understanding. Op rejected me, not the other way around. I hold myself above no one, I'm as broken as any.
Anyone who has ever read the Bible, knows that God forbids homosexuality, and calls it an abomination. If these students think God is wrong . . . why are they going to a Christian school? On another note - Martin Luther King Jr, said homosexuality is a sin - so why don't these students protest MLK day?
A) Every part of the Bible that talks about homosexuality is up for interpretation and you could argue that they discuss more that uncontrolled lust and rape are sins, not homosexuality in general. B) Christianity and LGBTQ+ values aren’t as exclusive as you think. Studies show that most Christians in the U.S. are accepting of LGBTQ+ people and a lot of Christians identify as LGBTQ+ themselves. Part of Christianity involves studying the Bible and learning from our past but another part that you can’t dismiss is common sense. Science and research shows again and again that being gay is not a choice. The love of one homosexual person toward another is as pure as heterosexual love and to oppress it is discrimination. Likewise, to tell this young man that he couldn’t sing at a concert in a way that the school wouldn’t have told a straight man may have been their right, but it was still discrimination. C) Nobody who really knows MLK thinks he was perfect. He also cheated on his wife with like 40 different women. He’s a huge reason why this country is on a better track toward racial equity (even though we still have a ways to go). I appreciate the food for thought though and I’ll counter with other food for thought. If God does detest homosexuality and believes it’s an “abomination”, why would He not make it a choice to be sexually attracted to people of the same sex? And even if you could argue that humans can choose to not act upon it, are you aware that we’re far from the only animal that exhibits homosexual behavior? And also, that there are many animals that exhibit homosexual behavior that don’t have the ability to make cognitive choices and are strictly doing it out of stimulus? Now, if God really thought that homosexuality was an “abomination”, why would He create animals like this?
@@translivesmatter99 No it's not You haven't read it if you think that. It's clearly stated in the Old and New Testament. Pretending to know Scripture , when you clearly don't , makes you look like a fool.
@@Dajuro Old Testament: The kings of sodom were murderers and rapists who forced thousands into poverty and that’s why they were punished. I find it weird that so many people take away that the worst thing about them was that they were gay. Leviticus stated that homosexuality was not allowed only for a certain group of priests, not everybody. Romans stated that what was wrong with a certain group of people was that they had uncontrolled lust that turned them toward having sex with people of the same sex. It doesn’t say that if somebody is homosexual and only desires homosexual sex that it’s wrong, nor does it say anything about sex between two people of the same sex who really love each other being wrong. Galatians 5 states there shall be no law against love. Furthermore, what’s your answer for my question in Part C? I’m curious ;)
@@Dajuro "Pretending to know Scripture , when you clearly don't , makes you look like a fool." Does this also apply to "Christians"? Because I know a ton of "Christians" who demonstrate and prove exactly what you said in this sentence about themselves.
The collage can do as they please within the policies. Leave them alone.
They mistreat their students at Pensacola Christian College (PCC), just as they horribly also do at Bob Jones University (BJU). I moved to Pensacola in 2021. PCC is in bed with BJU, making tons of money, which is all they care about. PCC and BJU don't give a damn about their students, expelling them for the tiniest of ridiculous offenses. I have also been banned from attending Campus Church at PCC, since August 2, 2022. My offense was that I dared to openly criticize the leadership at PCC on social media, which to them is like attacking God. I felt bad, so I apologized to the pastors of Campus Church and PCC, but they all refused to forgive me or allow me to come back to Campus Church. Where dwelleth the love of God?
They refuse to forgive me at PCC and Campus Church, even though I apologized 3 times to the leadership of both institutions. I literally begged to come back to Campus Church. Their senior pastor, Jeff Redlin, at Campus Church berated me as a divorced person. He hates me so much that he won't let me attend church. Only a CULT does that. Jeff Redlin and PCC leadership, as well as Bob Jones leadership are out of touch with reality. These people are so hypocritical and full of religious snobbery that they cannot relate to normal people with problems in our life, like myself. I couldn't have been more humbly and kind to all these people, but the BJU and PCC camps are CULTS!
When I kindly told Pastor Redlin that my former and only wife abandoned me in 2006, and I hoped to find a wife at Campus Church, he scolded me in July of 2021 for coming to church to find a wife. But I never said that was the reason I came to Campus Church, I simply made a brief remark in my email that I hoped to find a wife. I was 54 years old at the time. You don't scold adults for hoping to find a spouse. What is wrong with PCC? These people at BJU and PCC are hateful hypocrites, full of bigotry and arrogance. When Samantha Field was assaulted at PCC, nobody took her seriously. She was told by a staff member to let it go and "repent." That is how PCC and BJU deal with sex crimes, they blame the victim! The same thing happened to Shielagh Clark in 2005 at BJU, they expelled her for reporting that she had been assaulted. There is no genuine love, concern or compassion in these militant religious schools.
In 2017, when I lived on Guam, I literally begged to come back to Harvest Baptist Church, but their BJU alumni senior pastor, Marty Herron, refused. Heron succeeded John Lewis as the senior pastor of Harvest from 1999 to 2018 when he quit. Marty is now ruining young people's lives as the incompetent vice president of Faith Baptist Church College and Theological Seminary in Ankeny, Iowa. Birds of a feather flock together. These religious con men are all connected between the PCC and BJU cults. Jeff Redlin, John Lewis, Marty Herron, Chuck Phelps, Gary Walton-all get paid outrageous 6-digit salaries! The love of money is the root of all evil. I got these quotes from Google reviews. But don't take my word for it, read what their own mistreated alumni have to say...
“It is NOT a friendly environment. All they care about is rules instead of encouraging and building you up in your Christian walk.” -Hannah Elizabeth Kirchhoff (December 2022), mistreated former PCC student
“They call themselves Christians, but Christians are supposed to show compassion and patience.” -Angela (January 2023), mistreated former PCC student
“Don't go here if you're a Christian; they don't actually follow the Bible. They just use it as an excuse to treat people like trash.” -Danielle Tate (2016)
“This institution did more to harm my personal development than any other. As a 38 year old professional, I still bear the scars of how I was treated by this harsh, unloving, uncaring college.” -Greg S (2015), a former abused PCC student
“17 years later and I'm still shaking off the trauma. So many extra-biblical rules it'll make your head spin. Great place for Pharisaical training if your into that. The rule book has more rules than the Bible.” -Jorn Anderson (September 2022), former mistreated PCC student
“Pcc is the worst school ever. It was a complete waste of my time and money. They kicked me out for going to the wrong Sunday school class. And that was a year ago. They still will not release my transcripts which has put me behind in my college career. They schools not be called a Christian college if they cannot even live by what the Bible has to say. If I was able to take it all back and not go there I would in a heartbeat. I am warning you if you are thinking about going DONT DO IT!!!!” -Gavin Bufford (2017), abused former PCC student
“I'm a 2018 graduate of PCC and I went here for all 4 years. It's really sad that this place calls itself Christian, its legalistic places like pcc that give Christians a bad name. They do have a lot of rules regulating most areas of life. I was treated very poorly and rude by several "Christians" on staff and faculty and I saw many of my friends treated the same way. I've personally seen people who were once people I would hang out with, when given positions of leadership become legalistic monsters taking joy in getting as many students in trouble as possible, and this is done in the name of Christ! As a student you are guilty until proven innocent and can be kicked out just because someone accuses you of something.” -Nick Harrison (2019), a mistreated PCC alumni
“It is NOT a friendly environment. All they care about is rules instead of encouraging and building you up in your Christian walk.” -Hannah Elizabeth Kirchhoff (December 2022), mistreated former PCC student
“They call themselves Christians, but Christians are supposed to show compassion and patience.” -Angela (January 2023), mistreated former PCC student
“In retrospect, I thank God for not having the opportunity to attend here (Pensacola Christian College) and myself for not making the decision to enroll.” -Richard Deuto (January 2023)
“Crackpot unaccredited school.” -Meryl Montgomery (November 2022)
They have no compassion or love for individual people at Campus Church or PCC. All I kindly asked for was permission to attend Campus Church, but Pastor Jeff Redlin refused and PCC leadership supported his hatred, so they deserve all the negative publicity that they get. The long list of abused PCC students and mistreated Campus Church members is growing! SHAME on PCC! People just want to be loved.
“I am all for standards, but I am not for standards without love.” -Pastor Jack Hyles
Went there for three years, and…..it was kind of a surreal nightmare. I couldn’t even begin to describe or explain PCC. It’s not for everyone that’s for sure.
Those of us who went there will always remember the good and bad that came with it. It’ll always hold a place in my memories lol.
It is good to know there's At least one Christian establishment standing true to the biblically premised Christian teachings! Kudos to Pensacola Christian College, they have offered HOPE in a world of nonsensical depravity!
🏳️🌈✝️ Pride and Christianity can coexist
I used to write comments like this too, then the truth set me free from it all and I left fundamentalist Christianity
@Lucy Browne
While my comment may appear to be in complete defense of Christianity, it is not at all my intent. I am vehemently opposed to ANY & ALL organized religions - HOWEVER, I recognize the "good" offered by the Christian Founding of America (not remotely close to so-called judeo-Christian Founding - whatever that is).. Christianity IS the ONE religion of peace (at least those falling under the Abrahamic umbrella, of which America's foundation is built upon)... Taking the good with the bad, while remaining optimistically pessimistic overall. I appreciate the fundamental Christian roots & system of values - but fall short of being a "subscriber"- I DO respect this particular establishment standing TRUE to their teachings though! A little less hypocrisy is well-needed in today's nonsensical times... (Also, by "vehemently opposed to organized religions," I do NOT mean to suggest GOD)
@@translivesmatter99 tolerance OF, and coexistence WITH, have two entirely different meanings.
@@gawyton1 You’re right!!! It’s not enough to just tolerate our LGBTQ+ brothers and sisters, we must COEXIST! Love is love ❤
The very people who scream about 'cancel culture' are doing the canceling. I think the people and businesses that do not espouse their beliefs should cancel all their business with this college. So much for the loving and accepting principles of christianity.
As a student at PCC, I can say we don't want you here. Stay away.
@@isaiahthomason3998 Hypocrite
@@harpoonmcfierce9697 Fool
@Isaiah Thomason Who is “we” or do you consider yourself royal?
These are evangelical Christians. They do NOT subscribe to love. They're in a religion of hellfire and retribution aimed at anyone NOT them
I had a group’s performance cancelled there because the picture of our 30 piece group showed our female members in pants (not dresses).
This place also requires that men tuck the remaining portions of their belts in because if not the remainder may “resemble the male phallus.” No kidding.
No idea about the first part, but that second paragraph is total Bull. Lol
Second paragraph is just completely wrong dude. What are you smoking?
Believe me, the year they cancelled us the belt thing was part of their student rules. I wish I was smoking. You have to be pretty sick to come up with they stuff.
God that place must suck
not true. It's sloppy and they teach kids to be professional.
My parents were not perfect, but I'm grateful to them for never imposing "Christianity" on me or teaching me to shun those who lived different lifestyles than my own or what was "Biblical".
@Kirk Thomas Being gay isn’t a choice and it’s perfectly healthy. Change my mind.
@Kirk Thomas What an astute, thought-provoking, and convincing response. Prig.
@Kirk Thomas I know about a dozen gay people, including one of my best friends. They all told me they were born gay, or knew at a very early age. Guess who's much more credible and who I'm gonna believe...them, or some random RUclips prig who only offers his ignorant conjecture?
@@pacnwguy9056 I understand your position. I'm glad that I was born into a progressive Christian family.
@Kirk Thomas If you can't tolerate pushback and being challenged then by all means. Good riddance.
I'm an upper classman here at Pensacola Christian College. Very few people care about going and listening to a group of singers who came from Britain, especially since attendance at the event was going to be required. No one talked about it other than a few interesting conversations around the dinner table for the next couple of days. There are no protests happening on campus. The security and student life offices would have shut those down immediately if they had happened. The environment is not hostile, it's quiet. No one on campus will remember this in another month. Whoever you are who told those blatant lies, look out. If student life finds out who you are (and they very easily could) you're looking at getting expelled.
That is the Legacy MSM for ya! Whether it be local, or National, they ALL follow the same pre-approved script of dishonesty and gaslighting.
@@gawyton1 I follow a script too. My script is called truth.
@Isaiah Thomason amen to that! If anything, this decision will strengthen the Pcola Christian Community.
One of our kids were enrolled at Pcola Christian Academy decades ago. Very glad to see the entity as a whole is standing up for their beliefs.
@@isaiahthomason3998 Amen, and here’s the truth: Being gay isn’t wrong and it doesn’t hurt anybody
Galatians 5: There should be no law against love
you right sir ! this blatant lies from WEAR, shame on them.
Great move PCC. Uphold Biblical principles no matter the backlash.
Deuteronomy states that if your daughter was seized by a man and they had sex, that man would be entitled to marry her, whether or not she wants to, as long as he paid you fifty pieces of silver. If upholding the Bible’s principles means to take it word for word, do you also uphold that principle? Or what about Exodus where it says that anybody who works on a Sunday should be put to death. Let’s hope you’ve never gone shopping on a Sunday, my fellow Christian ;)
Was this meant for another video? What they have done by pretending they are too good to hang out with a bunch of lowly sinners is anathema to the teachings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If the Son of God came down to this sin filled world to hang out with a bunch of sinners then no human has grounds to proclaim themselves too good to hang out with their fellow sinners. They have spat on Biblical principle with their actions.
@@mizu7662 They cancelled the concert because they believed it would be an implied endorsement of something they disagreed with, not because they 'didn't want to hang out with a bunch of sinners.'
@@jessiebrady2080 Spare me, we all know what they really mean under all the PR speak they put out about 'life style choices' and shit. "We think gays are filthy sinners and our immaculate pious selves are too good to hang out with their kind lest some of their sin rub off on us".
@@mizu7662 It's sad that so many assume the worst. Let me make this clear: they didn't address us students (yes, me included) with "pr speak." President Shoemaker (head the the college, which I somehow doubt you already new) told us exactly what happened.
I support the schools decision 100 percent
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Why?
@@translivesmatter99 Because this is the right decision. LGBT people need to be born again. That's the truth.
@@louispierre-ud7uw Why? What are they doing that’s wrong?
@@louispierre-ud7uw That's YOUR "truth", not everyone's.
Matthew 5:28 KJV
but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Good to know that at PCC they don't need Jesus to grant them forgiveness.
I don't remember the part of the Bible where Jesus said 'thou shalt not listen to gay acapella singers'. I do, however, remember Jesus hanging out with a lot of sinners instead of saying He was too good for them.* Maybe this college needs to try actually reading scripture so they can know the correct answer in the matter of 'what would Jesus do if He found out a gay person was performing music'. Because I am telling you with 100% faith and conviction that Jesus would have set His holy ass down and listened to some amazing acapella music in this case.
*See: Literally anytime He ever interacted with anyone human in the Bible because we are all sinners. But also He went out of his way to hang out with the kinds of people regular sinners falsely pretend are 'worse and lower then us' to make themselves feel better.
By refusing to associate with this group because it 'contained a sinner' they have gone against the teachings of Jesus and are the ones living a life style that goes against His teachings.
the main problem with your statement was that jesus did not pay them or endorse their behavior. PCC did not want the actions of the king's singers to represent them.
Jesus condemned sinners. So there's that.
That's right , this generation is so confuse. Mizu have you ever even read some bible scripture ? what is your interpretation of roman 1: 26--28
@@johnjohnston3518 Its amazing how you have managed to so completely misunderstand the very most basic of the basics of the Christian religion. Jesus saves sinners, he doesn't condemn them. He was so pained by the notion of sinners suffering for their sins that he came down to Earth and suffered among us to give us an out. And no, that out wasn't to have humans become perfect sinless beings. if humans were capable of such then we wouldn't have had need of Jesus's intervention to begin with. Free yourself of the foolish delusion that you are anything but a wretched sinner or that you are in any way less sinful then the gay acapella singer this college has spurned!
@@joebob514 Jesus pays sinners the ultimate wage of salvation and eternal life in return for their services. Please educate yourself on the Bible if you think Jesus isn't willing to endorse sinners. The entire religion is effectively Jesus endorsing sinners so they can get into heaven.
The King's Singers are immensely talented and include a huge repertoire of Christian music. They frequently perform at Conservative Christian venues. This is a very sad decision.
The administration is ignorant. They claim that sexuality violates scripture, when really it doesn't.
Just because you sing Christian songs doesn't make you a Christian, just as wearing a cross doesn't. Scripture warns against acceptance of anything God says is wrong, but modern Christianity has already done this with several ideologies. Interracial marriages/relationships, heliocentrism, Jewry and other false gods, feminism, changing his word, are all examples of violations of God's law/doctrine.
@@Rattlerjake1 where in the scripture does it say that feminism is bad, being a Jew, interracial marriage?
@@Rattlerjake1 The Kings Singers are made up of 6 men who may or may not be Christians. Their recruitment is based on talent not religious conviction. However much of their repertoire is religious music and they have a long history of performing in front of religious audiences and teaching their skills to religious choirs. This is the first time in their 50+ year history their have been turned down for this reason.
I won't go through all your list but the Bible has nothing to say about interracial marriage and Jesus himself was a Jew so it looks to me that you are the one making stuff up and claiming the word of God.
I agree as a Christian that we should Not and I repeat NOT accept that kind of vulgar lifestyle. We should love them yes but should we let them influence a student body, No we should not. The bible says that homosexuality is worse than beastailty. As a Christian teenager I think it is horrible that the adult's can't see this
Define vulgar? I'm guessing it includes things you do in your hetero bedroom. How about living
YOUR life.
Their lifestyle is contrary and a contradiction to holy scripture. Stand in front of God naked on your judgment day.. alone and argue with him about that behavior. Won't be pretty for billions of people for several reasons. What does my resume say? I'm in hope that I will be accepted into the kingdom of heaven I've done a lot of wrong however I've prayed and asked for mercy and forgiveness. I fear God.
You know Pensacola went too far when my own pastor disagrees with their decision
Pensacola Christian College? LMFAO! Do any of their graduates actually get jobs paying more than minimum wage?
And i am sure this college supports Trump.
Good
This is fascism. Was the singing group there to SING? Yes. Were they there to have sexual relations on the stage? No. This is absurd Taliban type behavior to ban a singing group due to a singer's private life. DISGUSTING and exactly what's expected from the alt right whose values are perfectly inline with Taliban and Na#i type hate.
P R O M O S M ☺️
Disappointing. As a fellow Christian, this is a harmful, simplistic, and super short-sighted view of what it means to be Christian. Being gay is NOT a “lifestyle”, it’s who people are and how God created them. To discriminate against gay people and alienate them is what is truly an anti-Christian act and it’s far from what Jesus would have done. Love is love ❤
Modern nonsense. God did not create them that way, but He is going to judge them for their sin
right stop believe in your lies. God created gay people, God created gay people, God created gay people, God created a man to use his anal canal for another man to force their penis into . RIGHT. God created a man and a woman, marriage is between a man and a women, until Jesus Christ come back to judge this world.
@@ComesoonJesus Why do you think being gay is wrong?
@@louispierre-ud7uw Dude, that statement alone tells me that this isn’t actually a Christian thing for you, it’s just fear. I bet if Jesus came down from Heaven right now and told you to be more accepting of gay people, you wouldn’t listen. You just have this need to antagonize other people who are different than you, don’t you?
Have you ever even read the bible ? have you heard about Genesis 2:24. Also stop with your circular nonsense, that it just a fear, I have need to antagonize bla bla bla. The word of God is crystal clear on every single issue. Two men introduces their penis into each other rectum/anal canal is a sin. two women introduces sex toy into each other wherever is a sin. Give me a break. Just repent.
Jesus would not be allowed there because he hung out with men, wasn't married with several kids -- plus he wasn't a Christian.
This is the most hard hearted hateful statement I have seen lately.
@@ogiejii7885 Dismissing another human for no reason besides who they love is pretty hard hearted if you ask me
That statement is another proof that people are so confuse. Read the bible is my advise to you.
@@louispierre-ud7uw Preach it
@@translivesmatter99you're just repeating what others say and have no knowledge or understanding. Op rejected me, not the other way around. I hold myself above no one, I'm as broken as any.
Anyone who has ever read the Bible, knows that God forbids homosexuality, and calls it an abomination.
If these students think God is wrong . . . why are they going to a Christian school?
On another note - Martin Luther King Jr, said homosexuality is a sin - so why don't these students protest MLK day?
A) Every part of the Bible that talks about homosexuality is up for interpretation and you could argue that they discuss more that uncontrolled lust and rape are sins, not homosexuality in general.
B) Christianity and LGBTQ+ values aren’t as exclusive as you think. Studies show that most Christians in the U.S. are accepting of LGBTQ+ people and a lot of Christians identify as LGBTQ+ themselves. Part of Christianity involves studying the Bible and learning from our past but another part that you can’t dismiss is common sense. Science and research shows again and again that being gay is not a choice. The love of one homosexual person toward another is as pure as heterosexual love and to oppress it is discrimination. Likewise, to tell this young man that he couldn’t sing at a concert in a way that the school wouldn’t have told a straight man may have been their right, but it was still discrimination.
C) Nobody who really knows MLK thinks he was perfect. He also cheated on his wife with like 40 different women. He’s a huge reason why this country is on a better track toward racial equity (even though we still have a ways to go). I appreciate the food for thought though and I’ll counter with other food for thought. If God does detest homosexuality and believes it’s an “abomination”, why would He not make it a choice to be sexually attracted to people of the same sex? And even if you could argue that humans can choose to not act upon it, are you aware that we’re far from the only animal that exhibits homosexual behavior? And also, that there are many animals that exhibit homosexual behavior that don’t have the ability to make cognitive choices and are strictly doing it out of stimulus? Now, if God really thought that homosexuality was an “abomination”, why would He create animals like this?
@@translivesmatter99 No it's not
You haven't read it if you think that.
It's clearly stated in the Old and New Testament.
Pretending to know Scripture , when you clearly don't , makes you look like a fool.
@@Dajuro Old Testament: The kings of sodom were murderers and rapists who forced thousands into poverty and that’s why they were punished. I find it weird that so many people take away that the worst thing about them was that they were gay. Leviticus stated that homosexuality was not allowed only for a certain group of priests, not everybody. Romans stated that what was wrong with a certain group of people was that they had uncontrolled lust that turned them toward having sex with people of the same sex. It doesn’t say that if somebody is homosexual and only desires homosexual sex that it’s wrong, nor does it say anything about sex between two people of the same sex who really love each other being wrong. Galatians 5 states there shall be no law against love.
Furthermore, what’s your answer for my question in Part C? I’m curious ;)
@@Dajuro "Pretending to know Scripture , when you clearly don't , makes you look like a fool."
Does this also apply to "Christians"? Because I know a ton of "Christians" who demonstrate and prove exactly what you said in this sentence about themselves.