She doesn't mean literally sound waves, what she means is that gravitational waves can be represented by sound waves. I wish that scientists more often mention the fact that they are using an analogy to explain ideas to a general audience.
she presented 2 sounds. one for a single approaching black hole and two moving black holes... in space.. when does one object move without the other... the guy at 12:21 knows whats up :P
the speaker can't speak normally, she's so nervous her hands never stop moving the entire 18 minutes I've never seen someone butcher hand gestures the way this lady has, she flales her hands and arms for every single word. And I mean every single word... she is trying to use her hands to describe the words: and, the, it, universe, if, could, etc. It's irritating because I'm trying to engage and listen to the thoughts and ideas being conceptualized by her words and hand gestures but I can't. When someone doesn't not stop moving their arms around it is the equivalent of not moving them around at all, just at the other end of the spectrum... It's unbearbable and a I cringe everytime I see her awful presentation skills (or lack thereof).
ajcook7777 - To be fair, she’s a scientist first, and a public speaker/entertainer second...or third...or fourth. Speaking of which, have you seen Elon Musk’s public speaking style? It’s awful...but strangely endearing.
Not gonna lie, that sound of two black holes colliding gave me a chill, in a frightening way. Imagine the power of those things, we're witnessing them from millions of LIGHT years away wow
She's 'dumbing' down her lecture to the average audience so I'm not surprised that she comes across as a 'meta-physicist' than an actual physicist. From what I read and studied about physics, she makes total sense.
I remember seeing a graph of what black holes look like, and it seemed to show that light was "sucked in" but also sent out through the hole's center. Does anyone know more about how light flows through a black hole?
Jonathan Ambriz could’ve been a quasar, which are practically black holes surrounded by a gaseous accretion disks, as gas falls toward the black hole, energy is released in the form of electromagnetic radiation, which can be observed as jets of light, maybe it’s what you are referring to.
@NLMARVINNL Very true, there is no conventional sound in vacuum. This, however, is a stretching of space-time, which we should be able to detect and convert into a sound. Thus, the idea is correct, and is presented extremely well for how complex the Physics involved is.
15:20 Basically "big bang" was so loud that we'll still hearing the echo 14 billion years later... (however, the echo is in radio frequency, not in audible pressure changes which wouldn't go anythere in the space without air anyway).
@gulllars In the video, she was speaking not of a medium of matter oscillating and carrying a physical sound, but of the space itself oscillating due to the intense gravitational power of these celestial bodies, and thus oscillating the matter within that space. Think of it this way. To create waves in a kiddie pool, you can splash in the pool and have the waves travel from the point of splashing, or you can shake or distort the pool itself, and the water within will be disturbed.
I couldnt disagree more the speaker can't speak normally, she's so nervous her hands never stop moving the entire 18 minutes I've never seen someone butcher hand gestures the way this lady has, she flales her hands and arms for every single word. And I mean every single word... she is trying to use her hands to describe the words: and, the, it, universe, if, could, etc. It's irritating because I'm trying to engage and listen to the thoughts and ideas being conceptualized by her words and hand gestures but I can't. When someone doesn't not stop moving their arms around it is the equivalent of not moving them around at all, just at the other end of the spectrum... It's unbearbable and a I cringe everytime I see her awful presentation skills (or lack thereof).
@Neylonx it's *mechanical* waves. it's just that the definition is quite simple and clear. to answer our question, there are mechanical waves at frequencies we cannot hear. i wasn't precise. but they are still mechanical waves. just like we can't see the entire electromagnetic spectrum, but we still call it "light". afaik there are no mechanical waves in the vacuum. so just as well we can create a program that reinterprets electromagnetic waves into sounds. reminds me of #1 quote from BSG.
Sine wave fluctuations of space-time density might be illustrated/represented as sound, but it is not by the definition of sound. Basically any oscillation can be illustrated as sound, and may be heard in a meaningful way if frequency tuning and stretching is allowed to make it fit the human hearing range.
Uni....Verse - "One.....Spoken Phrase". Brought into existence by one vocal Phrase.....Let there be An Audio resonance that Vibrates the Ether and IS the very energy this Universe runs on. So powerful that this Resonance broadcasts to infinity and ever expanding. Light is a perturbation of the Ether. Created by a vocal Phrase. That one Phrase spoken all things into existence. All mater, energy, math, physics subject by that Voice. Subject to a resonance or vibration. A wave that flows by everything and Gravity is the affect of that flow of Audio passing all matter ever expanding. Like a buoy in the ocean of water affected by the current. Uni Verse....is the best description and is the most accurate explanation ....not just a definition. If you want to find the secrets of all things in this Universe. Study sound and resonance. One Voice spoke all things into existence and that Original Wave is traveling to infinity.
Imagine someone like her as science teachers in every school. We would have thousands of ambitioned scientists more moving humanity forward. We need more interesting rethoric instead of boring textbook science.
great talk, only thing that i think should`ve been mentioned is that gravitinal waves are 100% theoretical, we actually have no idea if spacetime can wobble....
Black holes could have accretion disc when they merge therefore they maybe be visble and what about if they both have the disc when merging -Big explosion... nova what ?
@Arcus2658 i understand that, but then you're talking about space-time distortions inducing sound in matter, not that there is sound propagating through space itself, or the space-time distortions being sound. Not that there's any practical point in having this argument, but i find these topics interresting.
Multiverse, yes. This happened before. The necessary conditions for the whole of existence to be are presumably none. That's why I think it makes sense to conceive of other universes that also don't require any contingency for their existence.
@runeargent92 It is possible, you would need a medium for sound to travel through (eg debris). However in certain instances, we can't hear stuff if there isn't a medium to propagate sound.
I enjoyed this, but it felt a little unTED like. A thought experiment, with what could be confused for real data. It's an interesting hypothesis that seems logical and easy to understand. It does seem like an idea that is so digestible that it could be considered true. I hope people will question and look hard before coming to a conclusion. That being said, it is commendable to be progressing with an idea like this and i look forward to hearing more, about "Lisa" ect.
I always thought the soundtrack for the universe would be something by Jonh Williams or Vangelis LoL Interesting idea to give a take on the universe with other senses, not just vision. Ever thought how it would be to perceive other places in the universe with all our senses. Hear the winds of Mars, feel the texture of the Earth's moon, smell Uranus ... sorry, I had to make this joke X'D
As much as I find this fascinating, I can hardly stand it. My brain soon goes: "but if our universe was not, there would be nothing" and the thought of that nothing crushes me.
as far as the talk is very interesting... sounds=mechanical waves detected by our sense of hearing. gravitational waves can only by some way represented by sounds.. but so can be electromagnetic waves, we can make w program that will interpret them and play as sounds. so still, universe *is* silent.
Can sound waves travel trough a vacuum? Oh yeah I totally heard that and I'm so sure that's what your hypothetical cave painting would sound like. Presumably if I could hear a quiet echo through a medium incapable of transmission of sound.but I'm wondering about about my own origin so I'll believe that for fact. Lol lol lol Xoxo
She for some reason reminded me of Cuddy in House MD, so it was quite fun when she talked about the Lisa :) (Lisa Cuddy). Great stuff, like this kind of universe-talks.
How do you record this, and how, can you listen without a bad effect ? So, you are saying white noise is bad or good, now ? How about just living in faith. Cleaning up right here ?
I thought in 'empty' space there was infinitesimal matter thus no medium in which sound may travel. And I still think that. She sounds like the Deepak Chopra of ambient music.
@rick4318 are you sure about that? At the high vacuum that is in space, though there are particles, they don't interact the same way preassurized gasses do. Since there are no continous couplings that can sustain an oscillation of preassure, speaking of sound propagating through space is meaningless. A flow of particles with variating density is possible, but then there is no oscilation of preassure propagating between particles, and again is not sound.
Also if we wern't here and the universe was still making a sound... does this then answer the question if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound? I think it would.
jeez, they should name a fallacy after this video. "Sound: a mechanical wave that is an oscillation of pressure transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such vibrations." gravity is not sound!!!! I can render light frequency into sound too, doesn't mean they ARE sound/music, it's just a "sensory metaphor"
@dylanlawless1 Everything you know or think you know about astrophysics IS a thought experiment. Our tiny snapshot of time cannot explain what we know. We extrapolate known data thru thought experiments. How do you think they get to launching a project like Lisa?
You know only two waves from space gravitational and light but there is other like frotty and piccy one is from the van der miels bonder of planet the other from the exentricity of orbit....
A bit weak at the end but otherwise a great talk. One thing never explained is why an "audio-ization" is better than a visualisation... The one animation she had seemed much more useful than the noise she was playing.
@Individualism101 The radiance of your humility warms me. I would point out that Einstein, who contributed much to the basic presuppositions we now have the luxury to assume, was a prodigious thought-experimenter. Creative play spawns new ideas, some of which become new assumptions. Even to the point of banality. Teflon is a space baby. "Patent nonsense" you say? You have a 21st century education. Is gamification not a confluence of hypotheses applied to the banal?
@acr08807 As far as I know, most so called non-standard cosmologies predicted the existence and properties of CMB radiation, in some cases with far greater precision. How is the CMB radiation then NOT proof of all those other models?
The majority of all math is derived or inspired by others who get next to no credit by anyone other than those fellow scientists or mathmaticians who actually understand the math.
Someday children will be watching stars flit past their windows on board interstellar vehicles - we are merely glimpsing the future we will pass on to them.
@KWalzar So, they look at the motion of stars in the center of the galaxy and they say: There MUST be a black hole in the center, otherwise the things we are seeing make no sense whatsoever, right? Well, you have a somewhat related situation if you look at the rotation curves of galaxies. They just don't make sense until you INVENT dark matter, right? Then if you have dark matter, the whole universe doesn't make sense anymore, so you invent dark energy, which again makes no sense, and so on
9:15 Voice line for Melodysheep
Almost uncanny how close their predictions were to what LIGO actually discovered just a year or so ago.
That's the way it's supposed to work, right?
@@fredflintstone2958 The competing theories that were found to be incorrect by LIGO are simply forgotten but there were other theories, too.
She doesn't mean literally sound waves, what she means is that gravitational waves can be represented by sound waves. I wish that scientists more often mention the fact that they are using an analogy to explain ideas to a general audience.
she presented 2 sounds. one for a single approaching black hole and two moving black holes... in space.. when does one object move without the other... the guy at 12:21 knows whats up :P
I was thinking the same thing. Great point.
the speaker can't speak normally, she's so nervous her hands never stop moving the entire 18 minutes I've never seen someone butcher hand gestures the way this lady has, she flales her hands and arms for every single word. And I mean every single word... she is trying to use her hands to describe the words: and, the, it, universe, if, could, etc.
It's irritating because I'm trying to engage and listen to the thoughts and ideas being conceptualized by her words and hand gestures but I can't. When someone doesn't not stop moving their arms around it is the equivalent of not moving them around at all, just at the other end of the spectrum...
It's unbearbable and a I cringe everytime I see her awful presentation skills (or lack thereof).
ajcook7777 - To be fair, she’s a scientist first, and a public speaker/entertainer second...or third...or fourth.
Speaking of which, have you seen Elon Musk’s public speaking style? It’s awful...but strangely endearing.
@@raojr46 ?
Not gonna lie, that sound of two black holes colliding gave me a chill, in a frightening way. Imagine the power of those things, we're witnessing them from millions of LIGHT years away wow
Liberals are still scarier to me than any black hole.
@@Yatukih_001 Then you have problems.
She's 'dumbing' down her lecture to the average audience so I'm not surprised that she comes across as a 'meta-physicist' than an actual physicist. From what I read and studied about physics, she makes total sense.
Excellent talk! As always astrophysics is the trippiest of all sciences.
When you commented this I was 2 years old. I wanna know are you still active?
brain melting stuff, love TED, great talk
Interesting aspect of space. Never ever thought of sound that way. It made sense when she said "like a mallot on a drum".
I remember seeing a graph of what black holes look like, and it seemed to show that light was "sucked in" but also sent out through the hole's center. Does anyone know more about how light flows through a black hole?
Jonathan Ambriz could’ve been a quasar, which are practically black holes surrounded by a gaseous accretion disks, as gas falls toward the black hole, energy is released in the form of electromagnetic radiation, which can be observed as jets of light, maybe it’s what you are referring to.
Hawking Radiation
Look up Veriatsmium's video ob Black holes... Its gorgeous.
Fascinating, music to evolutionary ears. Thanks, Janna. Are you publishing on this yet? Will you let me know where to find your work?
really wonderful. thank you so much :)
Any talk about black holes is a good talk.
awesome TED talk.
@NLMARVINNL Very true, there is no conventional sound in vacuum. This, however, is a stretching of space-time, which we should be able to detect and convert into a sound. Thus, the idea is correct, and is presented extremely well for how complex the Physics involved is.
15:20 Basically "big bang" was so loud that we'll still hearing the echo 14 billion years later... (however, the echo is in radio frequency, not in audible pressure changes which wouldn't go anythere in the space without air anyway).
great talk great woman
-Beautiful.
@gulllars In the video, she was speaking not of a medium of matter oscillating and carrying a physical sound, but of the space itself oscillating due to the intense gravitational power of these celestial bodies, and thus oscillating the matter within that space.
Think of it this way. To create waves in a kiddie pool, you can splash in the pool and have the waves travel from the point of splashing, or you can shake or distort the pool itself, and the water within will be disturbed.
cool topic and great speaker! fun talk :)
I couldnt disagree more the speaker can't speak normally, she's so nervous her hands never stop moving the entire 18 minutes I've never seen someone butcher hand gestures the way this lady has, she flales her hands and arms for every single word. And I mean every single word... she is trying to use her hands to describe the words: and, the, it, universe, if, could, etc.
It's irritating because I'm trying to engage and listen to the thoughts and ideas being conceptualized by her words and hand gestures but I can't. When someone doesn't not stop moving their arms around it is the equivalent of not moving them around at all, just at the other end of the spectrum...
It's unbearbable and a I cringe everytime I see her awful presentation skills (or lack thereof).
was hearing this sound and seen this animation since childhood ha ha 30 yrs
Excellent talk.
"we've never seen the shadow of a black hole"... So exciting to see this statement no longer be true.
@tipoomaster @mazdaplz
Awesome guys, that made my day.
@Neylonx it's *mechanical* waves. it's just that the definition is quite simple and clear. to answer our question, there are mechanical waves at frequencies we cannot hear. i wasn't precise. but they are still mechanical waves. just like we can't see the entire electromagnetic spectrum, but we still call it "light". afaik there are no mechanical waves in the vacuum. so just as well we can create a program that reinterprets electromagnetic waves into sounds. reminds me of #1 quote from BSG.
Good one TED
TRIPPIEST TALK EVAR !
THANK YOU TED
Sine wave fluctuations of space-time density might be illustrated/represented as sound, but it is not by the definition of sound.
Basically any oscillation can be illustrated as sound, and may be heard in a meaningful way if frequency tuning and stretching is allowed to make it fit the human hearing range.
Sounds like a quarter after its spun before it falls flat, as it wobbles.
And lol @ banging space.
@kmica2008 the blackhole is not literally a "hole"
its huge mass compressed to a very small point in space, distorting the space nearby towards it
A black dent?
Uni....Verse - "One.....Spoken Phrase".
Brought into existence by one vocal Phrase.....Let there be
An Audio resonance that Vibrates the Ether and IS the very energy this Universe runs on. So powerful that this Resonance broadcasts to infinity and ever expanding. Light is a perturbation of the Ether. Created by a vocal Phrase. That one Phrase spoken all things into existence. All mater, energy, math, physics subject by that Voice. Subject to a resonance or vibration. A wave that flows by everything and Gravity is the affect of that flow of Audio passing all matter ever expanding. Like a buoy in the ocean of water affected by the current.
Uni Verse....is the best description and is the most accurate explanation ....not just a definition.
If you want to find the secrets of all things in this Universe. Study sound and resonance. One Voice spoke all things into existence and that Original Wave is traveling to infinity.
Brilliant.
I can't believe that actually 8 people disliked this video. Must be them creationists.
poetry
Energy, frequency and vibration
Wonder what the song of a black hole or the universe looks like using cymatics
@rawssremix u missed the point entirely. In this case the medium that oscillates is the space itself and not air pressure like in convencional sound
Imagine someone like her as science teachers in every school. We would have thousands of ambitioned scientists more moving humanity forward. We need more interesting rethoric instead of boring textbook science.
See this is why they don't need TEDwomen. A real TEDtalk like this speaks for itself. It's an idea worth sharing. It makes ya think.
9:57 I CAN GUARENTEE YOU CAME HERE FOR THIS
pls addd subtitle all video
she is great!
great talk, only thing that i think should`ve been mentioned is that gravitinal waves are 100% theoretical, we actually have no idea if spacetime can wobble....
Black holes could have accretion disc when they merge therefore they maybe be visble and what about if they both have the disc when merging -Big explosion... nova what ?
@Arcus2658 i understand that, but then you're talking about space-time distortions inducing sound in matter, not that there is sound propagating through space itself, or the space-time distortions being sound.
Not that there's any practical point in having this argument, but i find these topics interresting.
no, olinto de pretto's equation is in apparent agreement with einstein's. de pretto's equation was 1/2mv^2, while einstein was mc^2
Multiverse, yes. This happened before. The necessary conditions for the whole of existence to be are presumably none. That's why I think it makes sense to conceive of other universes that also don't require any contingency for their existence.
@runeargent92 It is possible, you would need a medium for sound to travel through (eg debris). However in certain instances, we can't hear stuff if there isn't a medium to propagate sound.
I was honored that a physicist watched the the same show I did, Battlestar Galactica!
The universe is playing minimal electro house? sweet!
I came here expecting om.. lol
Same here..
same here.
This sound of damaru destruction sound..
Did she get edited at 16:52 ?
well done, lady! very educational.
finally a real woman holding a real TED presentation
p.s.: no TEDwomen - no bullshit
11:05
Sounds like the Jaws theme
@caninemanagement actually you can hear that echo is gone for few miliseconds...???
@Grim4566 wow, that's a good connection :) i wouldn't be surprised if it will be this sound!
@mazdaplz have you even been watching any other ted talks?
Why did she have to keep talking during the audioplay? The first part is not clear.
Yay for BSG reference!
I enjoyed this, but it felt a little unTED like. A thought experiment, with what could be confused for real data. It's an interesting hypothesis that seems logical and easy to understand. It does seem like an idea that is so digestible that it could be considered true. I hope people will question and look hard before coming to a conclusion. That being said, it is commendable to be progressing with an idea like this and i look forward to hearing more, about "Lisa" ect.
I always thought the soundtrack for the universe would be something by Jonh Williams or Vangelis LoL
Interesting idea to give a take on the universe with other senses, not just vision. Ever thought how it would be to perceive other places in the universe with all our senses. Hear the winds of Mars, feel the texture of the Earth's moon, smell Uranus ... sorry, I had to make this joke X'D
As much as I find this fascinating, I can hardly stand it. My brain soon goes: "but if our universe was not, there would be nothing" and the thought of that nothing crushes me.
@InMooseWeTrust Yes, she said this.
as far as the talk is very interesting... sounds=mechanical waves detected by our sense of hearing. gravitational waves can only by some way represented by sounds.. but so can be electromagnetic waves, we can make w program that will interpret them and play as sounds. so still, universe *is* silent.
Can sound waves travel trough a vacuum? Oh yeah I totally heard that and I'm so sure that's what your hypothetical cave painting would sound like. Presumably if I could hear a quiet echo through a medium incapable of transmission of sound.but I'm wondering about about my own origin so I'll believe that for fact. Lol lol lol
Xoxo
They are using sound as an analogy for gravity and space. Plus, many scientists believe, probably in fact, that space is not a complete vacuum.
i never knew that
@gspahr
I wonder what some people expect TEDtalks to be about. Did some expect to hear a resounding "ohm"?
She for some reason reminded me of Cuddy in House MD, so it was quite fun when she talked about the Lisa :) (Lisa Cuddy).
Great stuff, like this kind of universe-talks.
How do you record this, and how, can you listen without a bad effect ? So, you are saying white noise is bad or good, now ? How about just living in faith. Cleaning up right here ?
Also se the video: Real sounds from Space / NASA.
I thought in 'empty' space there was infinitesimal matter thus no medium in which sound may travel. And I still think that. She sounds like the Deepak Chopra of ambient music.
Great speech, but did anyone else think the "thank you" was weird?
I'm curious how I can get her to be my best friend or at least have a lunch with me where I just sit and listen.
@rick4318 are you sure about that? At the high vacuum that is in space, though there are particles, they don't interact the same way preassurized gasses do. Since there are no continous couplings that can sustain an oscillation of preassure, speaking of sound propagating through space is meaningless. A flow of particles with variating density is possible, but then there is no oscilation of preassure propagating between particles, and again is not sound.
Also if we wern't here and the universe was still making a sound... does this then answer the question if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound?
I think it would.
She was right ! Gravitational waves were in fact detected and its 'bleep' was very similar to her models.
Ricardo Spinacè bullshit
Ricardo Spinacè ligo is a fucking scam
@@dekonfrost7 lemme guess, earth is flat ?
jeez, they should name a fallacy after this video.
"Sound: a mechanical wave that is an oscillation of pressure transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such vibrations."
gravity is not sound!!!! I can render light frequency into sound too, doesn't mean they ARE sound/music, it's just a "sensory metaphor"
You know what we gonna ear at the beguining of the universe? "Oh, shit!"...BANG!!!
@dylanlawless1 Everything you know or think you know about astrophysics IS a thought experiment. Our tiny snapshot of time cannot explain what we know. We extrapolate known data thru thought experiments. How do you think they get to launching a project like Lisa?
You know only two waves from space gravitational and light but there is other like frotty and piccy one is from the van der miels bonder of planet the other from the exentricity of orbit....
You can't fool me. This is Chelsea Peretti
Om is the sound of the universe
am i the only one who think about doctor who when i listen to her ?
Is this "sound" as fast as speed of light?
A bit weak at the end but otherwise a great talk. One thing never explained is why an "audio-ization" is better than a visualisation... The one animation she had seemed much more useful than the noise she was playing.
Doesn't that sound like euler's disk?
@Individualism101 The radiance of your humility warms me. I would point out that Einstein, who contributed much to the basic presuppositions we now have the luxury to assume, was a prodigious thought-experimenter. Creative play spawns new ideas, some of which become new assumptions. Even to the point of banality. Teflon is a space baby. "Patent nonsense" you say? You have a 21st century education. Is gamification not a confluence of hypotheses applied to the banal?
@kuruptid hahaha nice spotting
Did'nt Einstein steal the e=mc2 equation from Olinto De Pretto.?
She kind of reminds me of Chelsea Peretti.
space is NOT a silent space or empty...space was never ...so full of life
You can be inside and outside of the universe any way you want...because science.
This is like science for kids.
@acr08807 I hope you know what a tautology is, because you just made one.
@acr08807 As far as I know, most so called non-standard cosmologies predicted the existence and properties of CMB radiation, in some cases with far greater precision. How is the CMB radiation then NOT proof of all those other models?
he didn't. 1/2mv^2 is just in agreement with mc^2, thats all
0:56
she was definitly in an athlete during her school years...look at those muscles
The majority of all math is derived or inspired by others who get next to no credit by anyone other than those fellow scientists or mathmaticians who actually understand the math.
Someday children will be watching stars flit past their windows on board interstellar vehicles - we are merely glimpsing the future we will pass on to them.
Good stuff, shekshy smart woman too.
@KWalzar So, they look at the motion of stars in the center of the galaxy and they say: There MUST be a black hole in the center, otherwise the things we are seeing make no sense whatsoever, right? Well, you have a somewhat related situation if you look at the rotation curves of galaxies. They just don't make sense until you INVENT dark matter, right? Then if you have dark matter, the whole universe doesn't make sense anymore, so you invent dark energy, which again makes no sense, and so on