Also women have been using make up and all sorts of techniques to look different look back at the golden age if holly wood when forehead tape was popular etc... just as long as photo editing in format of this vid
@@kylepittle1036 in the renaissance you can also clearly see the beauty standards. Because somehow everyone had a similarish, cheek, chin, nose and lip shape. I doubt eveyone looked this similar😅
Damn! I honestly had NO CLUE! THANK YOU! I always thought old Hollywood stars were just so naturally perfect looking, but I guess the only thing that changed was that the photo editing went from analog to digital.
I mean even without photo editing, there are still plastic surgery and makeups... nothing has ever been natural about celebrities. Not for thousands of years of civilization.
They also used a lot of tricks with makeup, lighting and even skin care, Elizabeth Taylor and Marylin Monroe used to shave their entire faces to remove the peach fuzz (in Liz's case it was probably more than that lol).
@@JennyKlindt regular people just didn't have video cameras back then, that changed. But retouched photographs? What, you don't have old family photos of grandma in the studio being all smoothened out?
It existed but not to the degree we see today. Back in the day seeing any celebrity in person they didn't look any different than photos. Marilyn was Marilyn in the flesh. Today if you see an influencer in the wild it's shocking, they look COMPLETELY different in person. The filters the facetune, they make themselves 20lbs thinner and create a new face, a tiny waist. So her video is quite misleading.
@@KasumiRINAdo you see the irony? It’s to look more attractive - well, attractive in the eyes of who? Society. It’s not considered acceptable for a woman to not look attractive.
Real I’m tired of people thinking that paintings represent exact reality when the people in those paintings just paid a good amount of money to look more attractive and slim 😭😭
Victorian silhouettes also used clever proportions to give the illusion of a smaller waist. Puffy sleeves, ruffles across the shoulders and/or bust, plus structured skirts, bustles, etc. equals fitted waist looking teensy by comparison.
@@romulusbuta9318 that's mostly a stereotype. If you're interested in the realities of corset wearing, Abby Cox, Nicole Rudolph, and Bernadette Banner all have explore the actual history on their channels.
@Trish_Carmichael maybe older digital tech but not film, film aptures so much, especially the bigger medium or large format cameras they used to use for professional work, you can blow up those film to a very large size and still lose 0 detail
Thank you so much for this content. My mom was a retoucher, mostly portraits. This is the first mention of it I have ever seen on the web. And there were more tools than pencils. They also used edged tools to scrape away unwanted parts of the image, and solvent ("dope") to soften sharp lines. This is part of why it cost so much in the old days to have pictures taken at a studio by a pro.
And sharp exacto-type knives. My Dad was a retoucher also. His fingers were permanently "tatooed" by some of the "leads" he sharpened. Kudos to your Mom. Retouchers were true artists!
@@anitabonghit2758 If Said woman developed her pictures herself... Absolutely. If you already develop the negatives yourself, you can also fix what you dont Like. We Had pens at Home to get rid of Red eyes in photographs. Thats retouching. Otherwise you would Just Go to the Shop and Tell the developer how you wanted the pictures to Look. The exposure, the lines, everything. My dad used analog camera until Well into the 2000s and used to get my grandparents Pictures developed in the local Studio. You would get the negatives, Pick Out the pictures that were actually decent and retouch those. Also Photo editing is still a Skill, or you would Not See so many uncanny valley pictures in peoples profiles. Just because its Just having an eye for composition and Not a Skill with Gimp or fancy chemicals, doesnt mean Theres No Skill involved
I clicked on this NOT to know whether not photo editing existed, but HOW they did it back then. That's actually pretty impressive skill. The blending and shading on tat is excellent.
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RUclipsrs I recommend Impact videos ministries David diga Hernandez IsaiahSaldivar Mapalo DLM christian lifestyle Billy garham Danial adams Living waters Mike Signorelli Okay now pray this to be saved and to get to heaven pray out loud Jesus I confess that you are my lord and savior I believe in my heart that God raised you from the dead I ask to receive your holy spirit and I repent of my sins with your help❤ by faith in your word I receive salvation now Thank you for saving me! I am now reborn a christian a child of almighty God I am saved thank you Jesus! *Be genuine when praying this* Watch videos on how to receive Gods holy spirit on YT God creates Jesus redeems The holy spirit changes Now our good deeds and works we think are good are like filthy rags in the eyes of God Things to get rid of in your home 1sage 2dream catchers 3crystals 4crystal ball 5ouija board 6 tarot and angel cards 7religious statues 8demonic movies music or video games 9soul times items 10pornography Now like a theif robbing a store, demons won't make it obvious they are there unless they have to. Now know you can't save yourself Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life You have insurance on your house if it ever caught on fire which rarely happens but when it comes to your soul, you play with it like you have forever to make your choice which you don't 150k+ people Die everyday and you never know when it may be you God spent 9 months shaping and forming you before you were born but only 7 days on earth you're fearfully and wonderfully made beautiful in the eyes of God❤ Don't waste time Hearts are deceitful above all things ask God for wisdom and understanding we are just tiny humans with a 3 pound brain and our imaginations cannot go beyond what we already know❤ Your souls is so valuable both Satan and God want it but it's your choice who you will serve You serve the devil when you Lie Hate Blasphemy Disobey Lazy Gossip Gluttony Wanting what others have cause what God has for you is for you he will never deliver your male to someone else's house Hate And unforgivness And cussing murder and more And once you die, you're locked with your choice of where you're spending eternity God doesn't care about you doing more good then bad cause he's not judging that God never said that's the way to heaven So who's lying you or God? Be serious about this❤ God is holy and righteous God is love So either you would play around because you don't believe hell exist or you don't believe you're going there but the bible makes it very clear The path to destruction is wide and easy many are on it the path to eternal life is hard and nerrow very few find it and to get into heaven u can only enter through the nerrow gate❤ You dont have to wait until you die to know if youre going to heaven you can know right now 100% where youre going❤ Satan doesnt rule hell this is a myth when lucifer known as satan now became prideful and rebelled against God he took many angels with him Demons are fallen angels we live in a spirital and physical world so hell was made for punishment for satan and his angels and the reason why people go there is because they Align themsleves with the devil in SIN! 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@@anitabonghit2758 So... you're saying that getting a photo's negative, hand touching it with color pencil, and then print those photos from those negatives, were skills that all women learned to do? So, all women had access to dark rooms, vats of chemicals and the stock to print the negatives to photo?
People don't realize that a lot of the tools in photoshop have the icons they do and the names that they do because they are tools that were developed for the literal photoshops of the film photography era. Retouching has been a thing since day 1.
@@gemmeldrakes2758 Don't even really need photoshop these days because filters do the job of live editing. Cutting out the time needed for post editing. But post editing can also just be done on your phone with a ton of different apps. Back in the 90's your average person wasn't editing or filtering their photos on their own.
I appreciate the larger point and you noting that "photoshop" you are using as a metaphor for older techniques as well, but even so photography is not even 200 years old yet.
GUYS PRAY FOR SAM AND COLBY THEY BEEN DECEIVED BY DEMONS AND ARE IN DANGER THEY ARE RUclipsRS❤ God wouldnt allow souls to be trapped on earth, its umbilical and never happened all souls belong to God, so you cant sell your soul to the devil❤ And not everyone is a child of God jesus said it himself youre of your father the devil and your desires are to do his will true children of God are the ones who have been born again spiritually and repented from sin❤ So many people say they love God, but most of them never repented from sin and have a personal relationship with him, and love isnt just a feeling love is doing❤ Familiar spirits are demons well if I'm wrong I wasted nothing because I got peace and joy from him, but if you're wrong you wasted your entire life!! ❤️🎉 And demons love when people believe that lie that God doesn't exist and they love it when people don't know they are there ❤I copy n paste this everywhere❤ And no one talks about repentance, God will never lower his standards to be okay with your sins, sins is very serious in the eyes of God hes holy and righteous and it seperates us from him❤ Demons exist, and the devil comes to steal kill and destroy and uses people to do so❤ Btw telling the demon to stay doesnt do anything unless you have the holy spirit you arent safe. People: okay please stay this is your place❤ Demon: okay People: **leaves** Demon: **Goes with them anyway** Demons arent gonna make it obvious they are there so yeah. Demons are fallen angels that uses the form of our passed away loved ones to make us believe ghost exist and the souls of the person we knew still remains here❤❤ Astrology is demonic before my relationship with God I would always do zodiac signs literally just a bunch of sins put into each one I bet if everyone was sinless zodiac signs wouldn't make sense and literally a cover up for demons❤ Hearts are deceitful above all things, listen to God❤ Depression can be a demon you may need deliverance❤ God said unless you're born again spiritually u will not enter the kingdom of heaven also God doesn't judge us by our good works he's judging us by our sins Gods standards are so high he's that HOLY saying oh my God is using Gods name in vain it's called blasphemy ❤ To get to heaven you must believe with all your heart that Jesus died and rose again paid full price for your sins repent and receive his Holy spirit. RUclipsrs I recommend Impact videos ministries David diga Hernandez IsaiahSaldivar Mapalo DLM christian lifestyle Billy garham Danial adams Living waters Mike Signorelli Okay now pray this to be saved and to get to heaven pray out loud Jesus I confess that you are my lord and savior I believe in my heart that God raised you from the dead I ask to receive your holy spirit and I repent of my sins with your help❤ by faith in your word I receive salvation now Thank you for saving me! I am now reborn a christian a child of almighty God I am saved thank you Jesus! *Be genuine when praying this* Watch videos on how to receive Gods holy spirit on YT God creates Jesus redeems The holy spirit changes Now our good deeds and works we think are good are like filthy rags in the eyes of God Things to get rid of in your home 1sage 2dream catchers 3crystals 4crystal ball 5ouija board 6 tarot and angel cards 7religious statues 8demonic movies music or video games 9soul times items 10pornography Now like a theif robbing a store, demons won't make it obvious they are there unless they have to. Now know you can't save yourself Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life You have insurance on your house if it ever caught on fire which rarely happens but when it comes to your soul, you play with it like you have forever to make your choice which you don't 150k+ people Die everyday and you never know when it may be you God spent 9 months shaping and forming you before you were born but only 7 days on earth you're fearfully and wonderfully made beautiful in the eyes of God❤ Don't waste time Hearts are deceitful above all things ask God for wisdom and understanding we are just tiny humans with a 3 pound brain and our imaginations cannot go beyond what we already know❤ Your souls is so valuable both Satan and God want it but it's your choice who you will serve You serve the devil when you Lie Hate Blasphemy Disobey Lazy Gossip Gluttony Wanting what others have cause what God has for you is for you he will never deliver your male to someone else's house Hate And unforgivness And cussing murder and more And once you die, you're locked with your choice of where you're spending eternity God doesn't care about you doing more good then bad cause he's not judging that God never said that's the way to heaven So who's lying you or God? Be serious about this❤ God is holy and righteous God is love So either you would play around because you don't believe hell exist or you don't believe you're going there but the bible makes it very clear The path to destruction is wide and easy many are on it the path to eternal life is hard and nerrow very few find it and to get into heaven u can only enter through the nerrow gate❤ You dont have to wait until you die to know if youre going to heaven you can know right now 100% where youre going❤ Satan doesnt rule hell this is a myth when lucifer known as satan now became prideful and rebelled against God he took many angels with him Demons are fallen angels we live in a spirital and physical world so hell was made for punishment for satan and his angels and the reason why people go there is because they Align themsleves with the devil in SIN! Sin separates us from God and the wages of sin is death if youre found guilty with one sin on judgment day you will not enter the kingdom of heaven so the thing is We us humans broken Gods law and jesus paid the fine! So the good news is you dont have to go to hell if you accept him as your lord and savior! God offered us eternal life as a free gift and you receive it by faith! You dont have to work for it you dont have to pay all you have to do is receive it by faith❤ Don't expect Gods best when you always give him your least don't reject him anymore let him come in and change your life❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Didn't they also wear a lot more makeup because of the way cameras would pick up color? Like how the Adams Family house is actually pink and yellow lol
Also, cameras weren’t as detailed. Today, you can see pores on skin, and fine facial hairs. Wasn’t like that back then. People had the same “imperfections,” however they weren’t as visible in photographs.
You’re completely wrong lol. Film is and was far more detailed than any digital format. It’s infinite resolution. It’s analog. The idea that “cameras weren’t as detailed” not only makes zero sense from a technical standpoint, it shows your ignorance of the photographic process. If “cameras weren’t as detailed” (lol) better tell Ansel Adams. You need to go to school or something. You don’t understand photography.
@@dustyoldhat ahh yes. Because movies were filmed on 8mm film. They were infinite resolution right? Different film gauges were just a scam because any size would’ve worked for anything right? Buzz off dude. You half-learned 1 thing recently, keep learning and leave the snark at home. Or maybe start a business that’s able to upscale 8mm film so well you can see the pores and hairs. You’ll become so rich and progress the human race so far.
I read a sci-fi/fantasy short story about a portrait painter who came from a psychic bloodline. Other painters complained to the guild that he must be using psychic persuasion (which was illegal) to make his clients accept his paintings as they weren't accurate. It turned out he wasn't, he was using psychic persuasion on himself making him paint his subjects as they see themselves. That was why he was so popular. And yes, that was not illegal.
Old paintings also enhanced certain features. I think it was Henry who purposefully had a painting depicting a larger bulge so as to attract another wife
Something has changed We see a lot more pictures of people how they look irl, and I respect anyone who doesn't use photoshop for these reasons. Wish I had Photoshop tho, I wanna take pics of me drinking Tea with another me
I think when people say that, they're talking about the girl down the street, not the Hollywood actress who you know has an army of makeup artists anyway. Easy access to image editing + the prevalence of social media and dating apps is a devastating combination for everyone involved.
@@nunpho when my grandpa died grandma found a hoard of women's photos, many signed, which they sent him (guy was popular), and many were studio made and/or retouched, and they were born during WW2 in Soviet Union so... literally can't get poorer generation than that, and they HAD pro photos.
@@nunphomore accessible = over used. How intellectually dishonest do you have to be to say that this invalidates the criticism that todays photographs use too much deception
Man I've never seen a 10/10 (In my opinion) in the internet/movies/series only on IRL and they are always a simple Cashier, the girl passing by the street or any regular job worker, it's not just the looks; And even if you know nothing about them, you just see them as an immaculate being of everything you ever dreamed about! The less the better is the reality of many
As someone who learned photography on film, photo editing is as old as the art of photography itself. people just don't know and when they are informed of the truth either accept the truth or deny it.
Im a casual photographer but I use Photoshop professionally for other things but I edit the occasional photo. Some jobs are easier to do the old way and it's harder to detect the negative method. You can also try the old way of you only have Photoshop or an equivalent by turning a photo negative or using a negative filter and using the same technique I believe there's also a way to use the color picker to pick the opposite color instead of the same color but I can't recall how to do it.
I remember learning about the war photographer who arranged dead bodies to give the most dramatic photo, and that honestly changed my life for the worst lol. Ignorance is bliss.
@@sspotter1978 I work in cinematography on major motion pictures and network television - I'm a camera assistant. So I'm the technician who configures whatever lenses, filters etc my camera operator is calling for on a given shot. I'm also the person who calls the scene and take number and claps the slate. I can tell you that we do in fact use Vaseline at times. However, Vaseline is so heavy, I've personally only seen it used in scenes that were deliberately portraying something dream-like, because the end result will look heavy-handed. However, in our set of filters, we always have a couple of filters labeled specifically for our lead actresses. So you guys are correct on the concept. The female performers are more heavily filtered than the male performers. This becomes even more pronounced the older the actress is. The director of photography really wants to blur lines and wrinkles. What some DPs use for actresses is actually not cheesecloth, it's varying guages of nylons stretched across a frame and we call them "nets." P.s. I happen to be a woman myself, so it's not lost on me the differences between how we photograph women and men. But many actresses will insist on being heavily filtered or shot from particular angles. Just demonstrates how much pressure they know they are under to maintain an illusion of perfection.
That is so cool! Talk about an extinct skill. Or am I wrong? Tell your dad I’m super impressed. I collect old photos and am amazed at the skill exhibited in many images in my collection. ❤❤❤ from Australia.
Also, plastic surgery was VERY common in old Hollywood. Not to mention wigs for men AND woman, only being photographed from certain angles and under specific lighting, heavy makeup, custom costumes, shapewear (for men AND woman, again), and other treatments like skin bleaching, plucking hairlines, and many, many others. Rita Hayworth (born Margarita Cansino) was forced to change her appearance. She was of Roma and Irish American descent (her father was Spanish Roma). She was always utterly stunning and you can look up pictures of her before her “Hollywood makeover”. However, some of her features were deemed too “ethnic”. She went through painful electrolysis to heighten her hairline and her dark hair was dyed light red. Because of her Irish heritage, her skin was deemed “light enough” to not “need” skin bleaching. Luckily, she was able to bring her father’s heritage into her dancing. Marilyn Monroe had at least one nose job (likely two), a chin implant later in her career, had her hairline plucked, her naturally very curly, chestnut hair bleached and styled, and, of course, used very specific makeup techniques to create different illusions. She also practiced every movement, gesture, and facial expression over and over until she felt satisfied. All of this AND photo editing. None of this stuff is new. There has never been “good old days of natural beauty”. People have been changing their appearances to follow beauty standards since the beginning of time. Paintings were even painted in very specific styles and according to what the client/patron wanted (unless the painter was painting lower class slice of life stuff, but even then, they’d take creative liberties). History constantly repeats itself. P.s. Thank you to @baintreachas for more accurate information on Rita Hayworth’s heritage. I’ve edited this post to reflect what I learned. Their comment is worth a read!
They used to also use paraffin wax for face lifts. It melted at just the right temperature to be injected under the skin, then sculpted to whatever shape they wanted as it cooled. Always wondered if there was ever a problem with dealing with extreme heat enough for features to "melt"? 😅
@@EmeraldsFire Omg! This is fascinating (and horrifying!). Thanks for sharing. I didn’t know this one. 😳 (And yeah, I’m going to wonder about “melting” features now too. 🫠😂)
To clarify, Rita Hayworth had to change her look because of her being of *Roma* descent. Spanish Roma, yes, but to just say Spanish here is very misleading. Also, “Hispanic” features don’t exist, because Hispanic isn’t a race, but in an English speaking context, people usually use that to mean “mestizo”, like, say, the average Mexican-American, which means a mix of white and Native American. (For those who don’t know, the Roma are of Indic origin, on the European continent, so entirely unrelated)
@@baintreachas Thank you so much for the clarification! I was quoting some of these things, like “Hispanic features” from old sources. As in, that was how they referred to her looks. But I super appreciate the added knowledge because most of this I didn’t know. I will edit the original comment to say “Spanish Roma” instead of just “Spanish”. I’ll edit the “Hispanic features” part too. Thanks again for your input. I never want to comment anything that misleads anyone. ❤
@@EmeraldsFire This is what led to the disfiguration of Duchess Gladys Deacon, whose eyes were famously painted onto the ceiling of her home, Blenheim Palace. She was a great beauty and intellect, but the wax in her face lumped into strange places and she ended up a recluse.
So glad someone made a video about this. I studied film and another thing too is that the legitimate film was literally cut and placed to make movies. Hence why it's called cutting when editing. They also used coloured pencils to colour in the strips of film before showing it. Which is why you can find some film that is not entirely black and white, but only the important things are coloured.
Same with pitch correction in music, people think it's only been around since autotune, but producers would often slightly speed up or slow down certain little parts of a song if it was slightly out of key. It was the best way to fix those kinds of mistakes then since it was recorded on 4 or 8 track
This is really fascinating, didn't know about that. Everybody always says that people can't sing anymore because they can rely on autotune, or post tuning. But in principal, nothing has changed. There are still incredible singers, and post tuning has existed for a long time. Of course, these days we have a lot more detailed post editing. But still.
Brother, those two things are nothing a like. Even though tracks were sped up or slowed down, there’s no touch ups. It’s more of an artistic approach/recording to tape back in the day would fuck the pitch and speed of the songs up, so it was done to makes the songs sound like how it was suppose to. the artist still had to play with perfect pitch and play on beat. What we see now doesn’t require any of that. Someone can be off beat and be a shit musician since the studio can fix literally everything
Going even FURTHER back, painting portraits of people more flattering than they looked was also EXPECTED. I mean, getting your portrait done is expensive, and you may only have it done ONCE in your WHOLE LIFE, ONE picture to show your ancestors what you looked like. It was a given that if you had a rough night's sleep, they probably wouldn't paint in your dark circles, or your acne, or scarring, or stray hairs. And if you were painting someone wealthy, your reputation to draw them beautiful might be on the line.
Also I heard that some actresses used filters like thin transparent fabrics on top of lenses to gave them a "blurred" effect that would erase imperfections and also make the skin appear more shiny, so basically analogic facetuning/filters. It's said that Spanish actress Sara Montiel asked for the cameras to be covered with a piece of thin stocking.
@anxylum Yeah lol, the ones I've seen most frequently were Margaret Houlihan in M*A*S*H and Doris Day in her show. They were so often blurry to look angelic and dreamy lol
I have a beautiful portrait of my great-grandma where her face has that slightly blurry look. I think they may have straightened her nose as well, bc I also have a candid snapshot of her and my great-grandfather right before he deployed and she has more my nose lol.
@@grantstratton2239 no. make up doesnt cover up peverything. make up is the style, but then there is still lots of editing. also, make up is normally not used because of bad skin, its the other way around. using too much make up too often can cause bad skin, wich then causes people to wear it even more often, wich makes the skin even worse. wbut i would say make up is an art form for itself.
Shhhh girl don't be telling Grandma's secrets like that 😂 I actually have a picture of my great grandmother and if you look closely you can see where the artist painted on eyelashes for her because she wasn't wearing mascara at the time
I took photography classes when I was in art school 15 years ago, and it was so cool because we made a camera from a shoes box and we could develop our photographs in dark room etc. As graphic design students first thing we did was try to "photoshop" them. That's when we understood that photo editing was born the same day photography was.
One difference of course is that it was a more involved process so fewer people could do it. Even just getting any photo of yourself was once something only well-off people could afford.
I once saw an old school playboy pictures (before photoshop was a thing) with lots of circles and notes detailing which parts of the picture needed to be altered.
Playboy airbrushed genitals for decades to make everyone look like an "innie" which created unrealistic expectations for men (as in, knew guys who called out girls for being hos because of lips shape, which is not related). Also, weird thing lingerie catalogs did was airbrush out nipples and public hairs showing, which just means they cared more about boys reading those than women who would purchase a set not knowing what shows through.
I did hear when digital broadcasting started news women had their makeup done through digital screen before going on. Many looked overmakuped before they did that.
So were my parents! They opened in 46 and retired in 84. I grew up in their studio. Baby portraits, prom, graduation, engagement, and wedding photo shoots. It was fun! Point and shoot was the end of it, but there's still a few pros around. There was something magical about the darkroom - a mysterious alchemy!
Totally true! I used to be a dye spotter during the 80s. I worked for a national random house that corrected portraits, magazines shots and yes even miss america.
This is true. Part of my diploma was photography and we used to use different techniques like filling in negatives and using motion to blur out details during the actual processing.
I just assumed it was the fuzzy look old photographs had that worked like a built in skin filter, I’ve never heard of this method of editing before but it’s so cool to learn about
I’m so glad I took film photography as. Teenager and learned this editing style. I don’t think I’d survive without knowing photos are just models of real life.
Gouache was also used for coloured photography, to restore photos or retouch elements, especially women faces. Retouch will never die out, becuase people want to look for perfect than what they seem.
I mean back then it wasn't only celebrities that had their photos retouched either, it was pretty much anyone who could afford to have their photo taken, and even further back anyone who could afford to have their portrait painted; the more accurate difference would be that now you can do it yourself instead of having it done for you
When I was a teenager I remember having a conversation with my grandmother about beauty and I mentioned to her how beautiful her skin looked when she was my age and I was jealous of that. That's when she dropped this bomb on me, that she did in fact have many blemishes on her skin and all her photos from when she was young were edited in this way. It was a common practice, that's why in old photos everyone has flawless skin.
Anyone old enough to remember the transition to HD TVs will remember the reactions of some people realising the people on tv werent as attractive as they seemed before. Old technology provided a built-in filter due to its lower quality. People forget that when they're looking at old videos or photos, they forget that all the little imperfections of real people were getting washed out
I think the amount of altered images people are exposed to now is very different, and even just half a decade ago, people had the expectation that all non-professional video was untouched.
Amd regarding the smaller waists, that was also partly an illusion. They had their version of a butt pad or BBL. Just add padding to the hips or wear a hoop skirt. All of a sudden it's a tiny waist! Lol
The difference is now literally every human with internet access had the ability to use Photoshop, while back then, you were lucky if you had a camera, let alone a guy who knew how to properly retouch those pictures during the 100% manual developing and processing phase. Photoshop back then was a god damned career.
It's not about the people that retouche though. The remarks are basically, ya'll just ugly today and need photoshop, women back then were naturally beautiful (I exagerrated, but you get the idea). And she showed, nope, they had the same "flaws" and were also retouched. Men in general often have no clue what they talk about. A male friend back in the day when Michelle Pfeiffer was at her peak showed at one of her posters he hung up and said that he has a crush on her because she doesn't need make up, she's naturally beautiful. Us girls just looked at each other, burst out laughing and then explained natural make up to him pointing at all the clues.
Back then, only people with money (actresses, models, etc.) could afford photo manipulation. If you look at pics of average people, faces haven't changed much.
@@rikk319 that's not true, my grandma in USSR had a studio portrait of grandpa which looked almost nothing like he did because of retouching, and they were workers in Soviet Donbas! Of course in the West every middle class person could afford more. P.S. Anyone doing photos at home could also manipulate negatives, there's so much technique for that.
what definitely has changed is the ease of and actual access to editing. Many if not most phone cameras do it automatically, even for amateurs doing selfies or event/family snaps ( amateurs=people who don't earn their living from how they appear to look on photos). Meanwhile if the same "amateurs" took those kinds of pictures in the 80's or 90's basically 0% would have been edited let alone to the the detail that todays automatic processing can. Kinda apples and oranges here, so it's a scewed analogy. Like saying "In the 40's there were already cars with power windows, just like today, nothing has changed really" whilst ignoring that having a technology and the same being so affordable that it is now hard to find one without it is a big difference. To me what's more important than wether it exists or not, is who can and does use it and to what end. In the end yeah, it's interesting, but I think what many people are expressing when they complain about "too much editing" is the fact that now that basically everybody has the means to edit, no longer is it the rich elites of hollywood and glam magazines that build false expectations of how people (especially women) should look, but now it's pretty much everybody that does it to themselves/each other. It's self destructive either way, but sadly our brains are just wired to make us want to conform to beauty standarts no matter how unattainable or irrational they might be.
your point is valid, but hers is valid, too - women and girls compare themselves to the beauty relative perfection of these edited images, and not with reality. You mention the 80s and 90s as if the photoshopped celebs didn't give girls eating disorders lol. Ease of access today AND the fact that we are consuming So Many More Images does make this effect more surround-sound, but her point is that unrealistic perfection (that women are led to believe is just natural beauty, and therefore try to achieve in the mirror) has been around as long as images have. Whether it's on instagram or on the big screen, women are comparing themselves to these photoshopped images, not to the normal person standing next to them in line at the grocery store. It's not apples and oranges, it's a matter of degree - but you're right that the issue has gotten way more severe as the tech is now available to essentially everyone on earth.
It's sadly extremely typical that people will call others "ugly" and say how they should be more like a certain type, when that certain type uses lighting, professional make-up and hairstyling, cosmetic surgery and filters/photo-editing to look like that lmao. And it's always the kind of people who say they like an "all natural look" lmfao.
And even in the time of the painted portrait you would have the artist embellishing the beauty of the subject which is why francisco de goya was so controversial because he would draw the spanish royal family looking exactly as they are
Lol I had done the same thing on a b/w image. I used to also scan negatives and digitize them. Created a masking layer to add texture to the layer so that I could color it. Blend it and smoothen out the textured layer. Knowing color theory was essential.
My grandmother had a photo like this. She was never a bad looking sort of person, but she never had a "perfectly flawless" look about her either. I still like this photo of her. I feel she took it cause she adored the girls in the moving pictures, and she really does look like one of them from the 1930's.
I agree with you, I think that the main issue today is that ease of digital editing making not only easier, but faster and accesible to a mass population, and in that population even a 12 year old girl can edit their face to a "better" face without realizing creating image issues than can be not only dangerous but lasting. Just triying to add a broader perspective to the message of the short, I liked, very informative 👍🏾
I didn't know about the pencils for retouching, thanks for showing that process in detail! One thing I knew before though was in movies, on closeup shots of female leads especially, they'd often put the camera slightly out of focus and/or brighten the lights so any "blemishes" would get blurred out but without sacrificing too much of the rest of the image quality.
I genuinely laughed my ass off. I'm so happy to know the "old" and "natural" beauty is the same as a clean girl look + filter + angle of nowadays, it has always been like this and I love that for us, ✨️shapeshifters unite✨️ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You can also do a lot of photo editing in the darkroom by using filters, masks, etc. to manipulate the image being projected through the image by the enlarger onto the photo paper. Learned how to do that while I was in college.
Editing has existed since photography was invented
Also women have been using make up and all sorts of techniques to look different look back at the golden age if holly wood when forehead tape was popular etc... just as long as photo editing in format of this vid
@@kylepittle1036 in the renaissance you can also clearly see the beauty standards. Because somehow everyone had a similarish, cheek, chin, nose and lip shape. I doubt eveyone looked this similar😅
Since art existed too, ever wondered why they all look the same?
since humans have been trying to capture portraits wether in paintings or photographs
@@MirA12334 yeah painters where the photoshopers back then
In the good old days, they didn't have Photoshop, they had photo shop.
Lol
😂😂good one man
Yeah the name for photoshop from corrections done in the photography shop
It has changed it used to be done by photography professionals
@@christopherwolfe1029 that's the joke
🎖️
Damn! I honestly had NO CLUE! THANK YOU! I always thought old Hollywood stars were just so naturally perfect looking, but I guess the only thing that changed was that the photo editing went from analog to digital.
I mean even without photo editing, there are still plastic surgery and makeups... nothing has ever been natural about celebrities. Not for thousands of years of civilization.
They also used a lot of tricks with makeup, lighting and even skin care, Elizabeth Taylor and Marylin Monroe used to shave their entire faces to remove the peach fuzz (in Liz's case it was probably more than that lol).
The other thing that has changed is that it has moved from celebs to the general public to use this now.
@@JennyKlindt regular people just didn't have video cameras back then, that changed. But retouched photographs? What, you don't have old family photos of grandma in the studio being all smoothened out?
It existed but not to the degree we see today. Back in the day seeing any celebrity in person they didn't look any different than photos. Marilyn was Marilyn in the flesh. Today if you see an influencer in the wild it's shocking, they look COMPLETELY different in person. The filters the facetune, they make themselves 20lbs thinner and create a new face, a tiny waist. So her video is quite misleading.
between makeup, cosmetic surgery and photo retouching, women have literally never been allowed to simply look like what we look like. it's sad.
What do you mean weren't allowed? Nobody forces you to photoshop the smaller waist, it's just what people do to look more attractive etc.
@@KasumiRINA thanks for proving my point lol
@@KasumiRINAdo you see the irony? It’s to look more attractive - well, attractive in the eyes of who?
Society.
It’s not considered acceptable for a woman to not look attractive.
It's always someone else's fault
It's mind-boggling that most attractive women don't realise their natural beauty and choose to follow some trend or industrialised standards.
"Corsets removed ribs" nah bro they just photshopped that look
Real I’m tired of people thinking that paintings represent exact reality when the people in those paintings just paid a good amount of money to look more attractive and slim 😭😭
Thankfully!
Victorian silhouettes also used clever proportions to give the illusion of a smaller waist. Puffy sleeves, ruffles across the shoulders and/or bust, plus structured skirts, bustles, etc. equals fitted waist looking teensy by comparison.
@@myladycasagrande863...poore breathing and fainting....comoun throw the ladies at the time
@@romulusbuta9318 that's mostly a stereotype. If you're interested in the realities of corset wearing, Abby Cox, Nicole Rudolph, and Bernadette Banner all have explore the actual history on their channels.
Ooh so THAT'S why their skin look so smooth. I thought ppl were just smoother back then
Thought it was for lack of definition of old cameras
@@Trish_Carmichaelit’s also that it’d be a lot harder today because pictures are so high quality leading to more colors being shown
Same! So interesting
SO THATS the secret !! 🙀
@Trish_Carmichael maybe older digital tech but not film, film aptures so much, especially the bigger medium or large format cameras they used to use for professional work, you can blow up those film to a very large size and still lose 0 detail
Thank you so much for this content. My mom was a retoucher, mostly portraits. This is the first mention of it I have ever seen on the web. And there were more tools than pencils. They also used edged tools to scrape away unwanted parts of the image, and solvent ("dope") to soften sharp lines. This is part of why it cost so much in the old days to have pictures taken at a studio by a pro.
And sharp exacto-type knives. My Dad was a retoucher also. His fingers were permanently "tatooed" by some of the "leads" he sharpened. Kudos to your Mom. Retouchers were true artists!
All women with an anologue camera could achive these same resukts without any skill right?
@@anitabonghit2758 If Said woman developed her pictures herself... Absolutely. If you already develop the negatives yourself, you can also fix what you dont Like. We Had pens at Home to get rid of Red eyes in photographs. Thats retouching.
Otherwise you would Just Go to the Shop and Tell the developer how you wanted the pictures to Look. The exposure, the lines, everything. My dad used analog camera until Well into the 2000s and used to get my grandparents Pictures developed in the local Studio. You would get the negatives, Pick Out the pictures that were actually decent and retouch those.
Also Photo editing is still a Skill, or you would Not See so many uncanny valley pictures in peoples profiles. Just because its Just having an eye for composition and Not a Skill with Gimp or fancy chemicals, doesnt mean Theres No Skill involved
I clicked on this NOT to know whether not photo editing existed, but HOW they did it back then. That's actually pretty impressive skill. The blending and shading on tat is excellent.
GUYS PRAY FOR SAM AND COLBY THEY BEEN DECEIVED BY DEMONS AND ARE IN DANGER THEY ARE RUclipsRS❤
God wouldnt allow souls to be trapped on earth, its umbilical and never happened all souls belong to God, so you cant sell your soul to the devil❤
And not everyone is a child of God jesus said it himself youre of your father the devil and your desires are to do his will true children of God are the ones who have been born again spiritually and repented from sin❤
So many people say they love God, but most of them never repented from sin and have a personal relationship with him, and love isnt just a feeling love is doing❤
Familiar spirits are demons
well if I'm wrong I wasted nothing because I got peace and joy from him, but if you're wrong you wasted your entire life!! ❤️🎉 And demons love when people believe that lie that God doesn't exist and they love it when people don't know they are there ❤I copy n paste this everywhere❤
And no one talks about repentance, God will never lower his standards to be okay with your sins, sins is very serious in the eyes of God hes holy and righteous and it seperates us from him❤
Demons exist, and the devil comes to steal kill and destroy and uses people to do so❤
Btw telling the demon to stay doesnt do anything unless you have the holy spirit you arent safe.
People: okay please stay this is your place❤
Demon: okay
People: **leaves**
Demon: **Goes with them anyway**
Demons arent gonna make it obvious they are there so yeah.
Demons are fallen angels that uses the form of our passed away loved ones to make us believe ghost exist and the souls of the person we knew still remains here❤❤
Astrology is demonic before my relationship with God I would always do zodiac signs literally just a bunch of sins put into each one I bet if everyone was sinless zodiac signs wouldn't make sense and literally a cover up for demons❤
Hearts are deceitful above all things, listen to God❤
Depression can be a demon you may need deliverance❤
God said unless you're born again spiritually u will not enter the kingdom of heaven also God doesn't judge us by our good works he's judging us by our sins Gods standards are so high he's that HOLY saying oh my God is using Gods name in vain it's called blasphemy ❤
To get to heaven you must believe with all your heart that Jesus died and rose again paid full price for your sins repent and receive his Holy spirit.
RUclipsrs I recommend
Impact videos ministries
David diga Hernandez
IsaiahSaldivar
Mapalo
DLM christian lifestyle
Billy garham
Danial adams
Living waters
Mike Signorelli
Okay now pray this to be saved and to get to heaven pray out loud
Jesus I confess that you are my lord and savior
I believe in my heart that God raised you from the dead I ask to receive your holy spirit and I repent of my sins with your help❤ by faith in your word I receive salvation now
Thank you for saving me! I am now reborn a christian a child of almighty God I am saved thank you Jesus! *Be genuine when praying this*
Watch videos on how to receive Gods holy spirit on YT
God creates Jesus redeems The holy spirit changes
Now our good deeds and works we think are good are like filthy rags in the eyes of God
Things to get rid of in your home
1sage
2dream catchers
3crystals
4crystal ball
5ouija board
6 tarot and angel cards
7religious statues
8demonic movies music or video games
9soul times items
10pornography
Now like a theif robbing a store, demons won't make it obvious they are there unless they have to.
Now know you can't save yourself Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life
You have insurance on your house if it ever caught on fire which rarely happens but when it comes to your soul, you play with it like you have forever to make your choice which you don't
150k+ people Die everyday and you never know when it may be you
God spent 9 months shaping and forming you before you were born but only 7 days on earth you're fearfully and wonderfully made beautiful in the eyes of God❤
Don't waste time Hearts are deceitful above all things ask God for wisdom and understanding we are just tiny humans with a 3 pound brain and our imaginations cannot go beyond what we already know❤
Your souls is so valuable both Satan and God want it but it's your choice who you will serve
You serve the devil when you
Lie
Hate
Blasphemy
Disobey
Lazy
Gossip
Gluttony
Wanting what others have cause what God has for you is for you he will never deliver your male to someone else's house
Hate
And unforgivness
And cussing murder and more
And once you die, you're locked with your choice of where you're spending eternity God doesn't care about you doing more good then bad cause he's not judging that God never said that's the way to heaven
So who's lying you or God? Be serious about this❤
God is holy and righteous God is love
So either you would play around because you don't believe hell exist or you don't believe you're going there but the bible makes it very clear
The path to destruction is wide and easy many are on it the path to eternal life is hard and nerrow very few find it and to get into heaven u can only enter through the nerrow gate❤
You dont have to wait until you die to know if youre going to heaven you can know right now 100% where youre going❤
Satan doesnt rule hell this is a myth when lucifer known as satan now became prideful and rebelled against God he took many angels with him Demons are fallen angels we live in a spirital and physical world so hell was made for punishment for satan and his angels and the reason why people go there is because they Align themsleves with the devil in SIN!
Sin separates us from God and the wages of sin is death if youre found guilty with one sin on judgment day you will not enter the kingdom of heaven so the thing is We us humans broken Gods law and jesus paid the fine! So the good news is you dont have to go to hell if you accept him as your lord and savior!
God offered us eternal life as a free gift and you receive it by faith! You dont have to work for it you dont have to pay all you have to do is receive it by faith❤
Don't expect Gods best when you always give him your least don't reject him anymore let him come in and change your life❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
A skill all women learned to do therefore its equivilant to the deception from women today
@@anitabonghit2758 So... you're saying that getting a photo's negative, hand touching it with color pencil, and then print those photos from those negatives, were skills that all women learned to do? So, all women had access to dark rooms, vats of chemicals and the stock to print the negatives to photo?
People don't realize that a lot of the tools in photoshop have the icons they do and the names that they do because they are tools that were developed for the literal photoshops of the film photography era. Retouching has been a thing since day 1.
Not the magic wand though! Lol!!!
@@eugeniosabater8449 Don't say that, the photography wizards might get angry and decide to mess with your old photos LOL
First ever made picture was a selfie. :)
@@AS-np3yqNo it is not.
I'm so happy that you all know you way around media. What you are describing is called remediation in the media studies 😊
My grandfather was a professional photographer and this was grandma's job. She WAS the photoshop. 💕
That's way photoshop was invented. A digital product that could replicate the job of photo processing.
That’s amazing
I don’t know why but it so cool
Tell us more 😍
this is cool
@@gemmeldrakes2758 Don't even really need photoshop these days because filters do the job of live editing. Cutting out the time needed for post editing. But post editing can also just be done on your phone with a ton of different apps.
Back in the 90's your average person wasn't editing or filtering their photos on their own.
This is why I love learning about history. A lot of things that we think are very recent are actually older than we think!
I appreciate the larger point and you noting that "photoshop" you are using as a metaphor for older techniques as well, but even so photography is not even 200 years old yet.
GUYS PRAY FOR SAM AND COLBY THEY BEEN DECEIVED BY DEMONS AND ARE IN DANGER THEY ARE RUclipsRS❤
God wouldnt allow souls to be trapped on earth, its umbilical and never happened all souls belong to God, so you cant sell your soul to the devil❤
And not everyone is a child of God jesus said it himself youre of your father the devil and your desires are to do his will true children of God are the ones who have been born again spiritually and repented from sin❤
So many people say they love God, but most of them never repented from sin and have a personal relationship with him, and love isnt just a feeling love is doing❤
Familiar spirits are demons
well if I'm wrong I wasted nothing because I got peace and joy from him, but if you're wrong you wasted your entire life!! ❤️🎉 And demons love when people believe that lie that God doesn't exist and they love it when people don't know they are there ❤I copy n paste this everywhere❤
And no one talks about repentance, God will never lower his standards to be okay with your sins, sins is very serious in the eyes of God hes holy and righteous and it seperates us from him❤
Demons exist, and the devil comes to steal kill and destroy and uses people to do so❤
Btw telling the demon to stay doesnt do anything unless you have the holy spirit you arent safe.
People: okay please stay this is your place❤
Demon: okay
People: **leaves**
Demon: **Goes with them anyway**
Demons arent gonna make it obvious they are there so yeah.
Demons are fallen angels that uses the form of our passed away loved ones to make us believe ghost exist and the souls of the person we knew still remains here❤❤
Astrology is demonic before my relationship with God I would always do zodiac signs literally just a bunch of sins put into each one I bet if everyone was sinless zodiac signs wouldn't make sense and literally a cover up for demons❤
Hearts are deceitful above all things, listen to God❤
Depression can be a demon you may need deliverance❤
God said unless you're born again spiritually u will not enter the kingdom of heaven also God doesn't judge us by our good works he's judging us by our sins Gods standards are so high he's that HOLY saying oh my God is using Gods name in vain it's called blasphemy ❤
To get to heaven you must believe with all your heart that Jesus died and rose again paid full price for your sins repent and receive his Holy spirit.
RUclipsrs I recommend
Impact videos ministries
David diga Hernandez
IsaiahSaldivar
Mapalo
DLM christian lifestyle
Billy garham
Danial adams
Living waters
Mike Signorelli
Okay now pray this to be saved and to get to heaven pray out loud
Jesus I confess that you are my lord and savior
I believe in my heart that God raised you from the dead I ask to receive your holy spirit and I repent of my sins with your help❤ by faith in your word I receive salvation now
Thank you for saving me! I am now reborn a christian a child of almighty God I am saved thank you Jesus! *Be genuine when praying this*
Watch videos on how to receive Gods holy spirit on YT
God creates Jesus redeems The holy spirit changes
Now our good deeds and works we think are good are like filthy rags in the eyes of God
Things to get rid of in your home
1sage
2dream catchers
3crystals
4crystal ball
5ouija board
6 tarot and angel cards
7religious statues
8demonic movies music or video games
9soul times items
10pornography
Now like a theif robbing a store, demons won't make it obvious they are there unless they have to.
Now know you can't save yourself Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life
You have insurance on your house if it ever caught on fire which rarely happens but when it comes to your soul, you play with it like you have forever to make your choice which you don't
150k+ people Die everyday and you never know when it may be you
God spent 9 months shaping and forming you before you were born but only 7 days on earth you're fearfully and wonderfully made beautiful in the eyes of God❤
Don't waste time Hearts are deceitful above all things ask God for wisdom and understanding we are just tiny humans with a 3 pound brain and our imaginations cannot go beyond what we already know❤
Your souls is so valuable both Satan and God want it but it's your choice who you will serve
You serve the devil when you
Lie
Hate
Blasphemy
Disobey
Lazy
Gossip
Gluttony
Wanting what others have cause what God has for you is for you he will never deliver your male to someone else's house
Hate
And unforgivness
And cussing murder and more
And once you die, you're locked with your choice of where you're spending eternity God doesn't care about you doing more good then bad cause he's not judging that God never said that's the way to heaven
So who's lying you or God? Be serious about this❤
God is holy and righteous God is love
So either you would play around because you don't believe hell exist or you don't believe you're going there but the bible makes it very clear
The path to destruction is wide and easy many are on it the path to eternal life is hard and nerrow very few find it and to get into heaven u can only enter through the nerrow gate❤
You dont have to wait until you die to know if youre going to heaven you can know right now 100% where youre going❤
Satan doesnt rule hell this is a myth when lucifer known as satan now became prideful and rebelled against God he took many angels with him Demons are fallen angels we live in a spirital and physical world so hell was made for punishment for satan and his angels and the reason why people go there is because they Align themsleves with the devil in SIN!
Sin separates us from God and the wages of sin is death if youre found guilty with one sin on judgment day you will not enter the kingdom of heaven so the thing is We us humans broken Gods law and jesus paid the fine! So the good news is you dont have to go to hell if you accept him as your lord and savior!
God offered us eternal life as a free gift and you receive it by faith! You dont have to work for it you dont have to pay all you have to do is receive it by faith❤
Don't expect Gods best when you always give him your least don't reject him anymore let him come in and change your life❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I took photography in college, and most people would be shocked by the number of things that can be manipulated in a dark room.
That still sounds a little wrong, even with proper context 😂 but definitely true
this reminded me of life is strange
CIA type shit
That's why it was called a Photo Shop.
@@douglascolquhoun8502because you’re shopping for the photo?
I don’t quite get the pun (assuming there’s something I’m missing)
I’m ESL
Not to mention that the makeup they wore was much heavier!! It was a full on theatrical makeup that they wore in public.
Didn't they also wear a lot more makeup because of the way cameras would pick up color? Like how the Adams Family house is actually pink and yellow lol
@@e.9874yes, since early b&w film emulsion weren't sensible to certain part of the spectrum they had to make adjustments with makeup
@@enrico_passerini that makes sense! I saw a video once that said the red lipstick they wore in black and white movies was actually a dark green lol
As well as deep blue eyeshadow.
They would also wear contrary colors etc., like green lipstick or blush etc., for different effects, that would show up better in black and white.
Big difference between the rarity of that versus EVERY picture today
Also, cameras weren’t as detailed.
Today, you can see pores on skin, and fine facial hairs. Wasn’t like that back then.
People had the same “imperfections,” however they weren’t as visible in photographs.
You’re completely wrong lol. Film is and was far more detailed than any digital format. It’s infinite resolution. It’s analog. The idea that “cameras weren’t as detailed” not only makes zero sense from a technical standpoint, it shows your ignorance of the photographic process.
If “cameras weren’t as detailed” (lol) better tell Ansel Adams.
You need to go to school or something. You don’t understand photography.
it's true that fine details weren't as easy to see on consumer-level cameras
@@KelseyHigham No. it wasn’t true. Film is film. It just depends on the size of the film.
@@KelseyHigham incorrect
@@dustyoldhat ahh yes. Because movies were filmed on 8mm film. They were infinite resolution right? Different film gauges were just a scam because any size would’ve worked for anything right?
Buzz off dude. You half-learned 1 thing recently, keep learning and leave the snark at home. Or maybe start a business that’s able to upscale 8mm film so well you can see the pores and hairs. You’ll become so rich and progress the human race so far.
People also saying how old Hollywood stars weren’t surgerised, when it’s well documented that they were VERY surgerised.
I’d love to see a documentary on this. 😊
Right? I mean the first documented nose job in America was 1887.
@@OGQuatumStormI watched about Marylin Monroe. She changed her nose and chin. Just compare her photos before and after fame.
@@marygood2095Also Rita Hayworth.
@@alekkacosmos9807Rita did....A LOT !!!!!
And even in paintings it was normal for the painter to omit certain details to make the person look more youthful. It was just better for business.
The rich definitely weren't paying artists to make them look undesirable to others and to themselves even
I read a sci-fi/fantasy short story about a portrait painter who came from a psychic bloodline. Other painters complained to the guild that he must be using psychic persuasion (which was illegal) to make his clients accept his paintings as they weren't accurate. It turned out he wasn't, he was using psychic persuasion on himself making him paint his subjects as they see themselves. That was why he was so popular. And yes, that was not illegal.
I’ve always thought the Mona Lisa doesn’t look quite right . Something feels off but idk
Old paintings also enhanced certain features. I think it was Henry who purposefully had a painting depicting a larger bulge so as to attract another wife
duh
Something has changed
We see a lot more pictures of people how they look irl, and I respect anyone who doesn't use photoshop for these reasons.
Wish I had Photoshop tho, I wanna take pics of me drinking Tea with another me
I think when people say that, they're talking about the girl down the street, not the Hollywood actress who you know has an army of makeup artists anyway. Easy access to image editing + the prevalence of social media and dating apps is a devastating combination for everyone involved.
Anyone who could afford to get photographed could get the photo edited (like the Victorian photos). It's just more accessible nowadays
Yeah ok
@@nunpho when my grandpa died grandma found a hoard of women's photos, many signed, which they sent him (guy was popular), and many were studio made and/or retouched, and they were born during WW2 in Soviet Union so... literally can't get poorer generation than that, and they HAD pro photos.
@@nunphomore accessible = over used.
How intellectually dishonest do you have to be to say that this invalidates the criticism that todays photographs use too much deception
Man I've never seen a 10/10 (In my opinion) in the internet/movies/series only on IRL and they are always a simple Cashier, the girl passing by the street or any regular job worker, it's not just the looks; And even if you know nothing about them, you just see them as an immaculate being of everything you ever dreamed about! The less the better is the reality of many
As someone who learned photography on film, photo editing is as old as the art of photography itself. people just don't know and when they are informed of the truth either accept the truth or deny it.
Im a casual photographer but I use Photoshop professionally for other things but I edit the occasional photo. Some jobs are easier to do the old way and it's harder to detect the negative method. You can also try the old way of you only have Photoshop or an equivalent by turning a photo negative or using a negative filter and using the same technique I believe there's also a way to use the color picker to pick the opposite color instead of the same color but I can't recall how to do it.
Even before photography people would have their portraits made to look the way they wanted them to. People have always been a little vain I guess
I remember learning about the war photographer who arranged dead bodies to give the most dramatic photo, and that honestly changed my life for the worst lol. Ignorance is bliss.
@@bhelliom3that’s crazy, i wonder if there are documentaries about old photoshopping
Jus the same as special effects are as old as film making.
You can see in movies from the 60s and 50s when they cut to the female character, they use some kind of blurring filter to soften her face.
It’s literally vaseline on the lens
@@mychannel-rt2gn thats crazy 😭
Vaseline on the lens was Star Wars, erasing the wheels on a land speeder. The close ups back in the day were done shot through cheesecloth.
@@sspotter1978 I work in cinematography on major motion pictures and network television - I'm a camera assistant. So I'm the technician who configures whatever lenses, filters etc my camera operator is calling for on a given shot. I'm also the person who calls the scene and take number and claps the slate. I can tell you that we do in fact use Vaseline at times. However, Vaseline is so heavy, I've personally only seen it used in scenes that were deliberately portraying something dream-like, because the end result will look heavy-handed.
However, in our set of filters, we always have a couple of filters labeled specifically for our lead actresses. So you guys are correct on the concept. The female performers are more heavily filtered than the male performers. This becomes even more pronounced the older the actress is. The director of photography really wants to blur lines and wrinkles.
What some DPs use for actresses is actually not cheesecloth, it's varying guages of nylons stretched across a frame and we call them "nets."
P.s. I happen to be a woman myself, so it's not lost on me the differences between how we photograph women and men. But many actresses will insist on being heavily filtered or shot from particular angles. Just demonstrates how much pressure they know they are under to maintain an illusion of perfection.
That's actually really informative!
The first photo ever taken:
“omg do I really look like that?”
My father used to be a master retoucher , sometime he even colorized photos using colored pencils
That is so cool! Talk about an extinct skill. Or am I wrong? Tell your dad I’m super impressed. I collect old photos and am amazed at the skill exhibited in many images in my collection. ❤❤❤ from Australia.
@@kashigatame too
Also, plastic surgery was VERY common in old Hollywood. Not to mention wigs for men AND woman, only being photographed from certain angles and under specific lighting, heavy makeup, custom costumes, shapewear (for men AND woman, again), and other treatments like skin bleaching, plucking hairlines, and many, many others. Rita Hayworth (born Margarita Cansino) was forced to change her appearance. She was of Roma and Irish American descent (her father was Spanish Roma). She was always utterly stunning and you can look up pictures of her before her “Hollywood makeover”. However, some of her features were deemed too “ethnic”. She went through painful electrolysis to heighten her hairline and her dark hair was dyed light red. Because of her Irish heritage, her skin was deemed “light enough” to not “need” skin bleaching. Luckily, she was able to bring her father’s heritage into her dancing. Marilyn Monroe had at least one nose job (likely two), a chin implant later in her career, had her hairline plucked, her naturally very curly, chestnut hair bleached and styled, and, of course, used very specific makeup techniques to create different illusions. She also practiced every movement, gesture, and facial expression over and over until she felt satisfied. All of this AND photo editing. None of this stuff is new. There has never been “good old days of natural beauty”. People have been changing their appearances to follow beauty standards since the beginning of time. Paintings were even painted in very specific styles and according to what the client/patron wanted (unless the painter was painting lower class slice of life stuff, but even then, they’d take creative liberties). History constantly repeats itself.
P.s. Thank you to @baintreachas for more accurate information on Rita Hayworth’s heritage. I’ve edited this post to reflect what I learned. Their comment is worth a read!
They used to also use paraffin wax for face lifts. It melted at just the right temperature to be injected under the skin, then sculpted to whatever shape they wanted as it cooled.
Always wondered if there was ever a problem with dealing with extreme heat enough for features to "melt"? 😅
@@EmeraldsFire Omg! This is fascinating (and horrifying!). Thanks for sharing. I didn’t know this one. 😳 (And yeah, I’m going to wonder about “melting” features now too. 🫠😂)
To clarify, Rita Hayworth had to change her look because of her being of *Roma* descent. Spanish Roma, yes, but to just say Spanish here is very misleading. Also, “Hispanic” features don’t exist, because Hispanic isn’t a race, but in an English speaking context, people usually use that to mean “mestizo”, like, say, the average Mexican-American, which means a mix of white and Native American. (For those who don’t know, the Roma are of Indic origin, on the European continent, so entirely unrelated)
@@baintreachas Thank you so much for the clarification! I was quoting some of these things, like “Hispanic features” from old sources. As in, that was how they referred to her looks. But I super appreciate the added knowledge because most of this I didn’t know. I will edit the original comment to say “Spanish Roma” instead of just “Spanish”. I’ll edit the “Hispanic features” part too. Thanks again for your input. I never want to comment anything that misleads anyone. ❤
@@EmeraldsFire This is what led to the disfiguration of Duchess Gladys Deacon, whose eyes were famously painted onto the ceiling of her home, Blenheim Palace. She was a great beauty and intellect, but the wax in her face lumped into strange places and she ended up a recluse.
So glad someone made a video about this. I studied film and another thing too is that the legitimate film was literally cut and placed to make movies. Hence why it's called cutting when editing. They also used coloured pencils to colour in the strips of film before showing it. Which is why you can find some film that is not entirely black and white, but only the important things are coloured.
Damn, this actually really changed my perspective. Well done!
Same with pitch correction in music, people think it's only been around since autotune, but producers would often slightly speed up or slow down certain little parts of a song if it was slightly out of key. It was the best way to fix those kinds of mistakes then since it was recorded on 4 or 8 track
Yea Madonna and Britney are huge fan of that. 😂😂
This is really fascinating, didn't know about that.
Everybody always says that people can't sing anymore because they can rely on autotune, or post tuning.
But in principal, nothing has changed.
There are still incredible singers, and post tuning has existed for a long time.
Of course, these days we have a lot more detailed post editing. But still.
Brother, those two things are nothing a like. Even though tracks were sped up or slowed down, there’s no touch ups. It’s more of an artistic approach/recording to tape back in the day would fuck the pitch and speed of the songs up, so it was done to makes the songs sound like how it was suppose to. the artist still had to play with perfect pitch and play on beat. What we see now doesn’t require any of that. Someone can be off beat and be a shit musician since the studio can fix literally everything
@@itsdoomedjack9774Hilariously, you are correct. However, I'm sure you know that the claim about autotune being used since the start is true 😅
Many of the most famous classical recordings were also stitched together.
Going even FURTHER back, painting portraits of people more flattering than they looked was also EXPECTED. I mean, getting your portrait done is expensive, and you may only have it done ONCE in your WHOLE LIFE, ONE picture to show your ancestors what you looked like. It was a given that if you had a rough night's sleep, they probably wouldn't paint in your dark circles, or your acne, or scarring, or stray hairs. And if you were painting someone wealthy, your reputation to draw them beautiful might be on the line.
Ok, we can read amd understand, you don't have to use capitals, it's not that deep...
Yo, that would be crazy.
If you could show your ancestors a picture of what you look like, they would lose their freakin' minds
sloors gonna sloor
people are so talented
the patience people used to have is cool
Thanks for spreading this info, as a digital artist with a background in photo editing I always knew but it's so hard explaining to everyone
Also I heard that some actresses used filters like thin transparent fabrics on top of lenses to gave them a "blurred" effect that would erase imperfections and also make the skin appear more shiny, so basically analogic facetuning/filters. It's said that Spanish actress Sara Montiel asked for the cameras to be covered with a piece of thin stocking.
I know that mid century U.S TV would sometimes use smeared Vaseline/rubbing alcohol to create that same effect but only for shots of the women
@@bladeofSteeleyes! Old movies are so weird. The women will be all blurry and glowing and the men will look normal. 😂
@anxylum Yeah lol, the ones I've seen most frequently were Margaret Houlihan in M*A*S*H and Doris Day in her show. They were so often blurry to look angelic and dreamy lol
It was a running joke that they shot Cybill Shepard through so much gauze on the show Moonlighting that she looked like a ghost half the time
I have a beautiful portrait of my great-grandma where her face has that slightly blurry look. I think they may have straightened her nose as well, bc I also have a candid snapshot of her and my great-grandfather right before he deployed and she has more my nose lol.
There was always photo editing even in paintings
😂😂
True. You can just paint them differently. 😂
Literally lol
I mean, can't you also say that makeup is kind of the real-time version of photo-editing?
@@grantstratton2239 no. make up doesnt cover up peverything. make up is the style, but then there is still lots of editing. also, make up is normally not used because of bad skin, its the other way around. using too much make up too often can cause bad skin, wich then causes people to wear it even more often, wich makes the skin even worse. wbut i would say make up is an art form for itself.
I LOVE random interesting information like this; thank you 😊.
that 50s beauty pageant contestant was 1 pretty gramma, my gammies wouldve been 30s by the 1950s..
Shhhh girl don't be telling Grandma's secrets like that 😂 I actually have a picture of my great grandmother and if you look closely you can see where the artist painted on eyelashes for her because she wasn't wearing mascara at the time
I took photography classes when I was in art school 15 years ago, and it was so cool because we made a camera from a shoes box and we could develop our photographs in dark room etc. As graphic design students first thing we did was try to "photoshop" them. That's when we understood that photo editing was born the same day photography was.
That's epic ! I wanna do that project
One difference of course is that it was a more involved process so fewer people could do it. Even just getting any photo of yourself was once something only well-off people could afford.
This reminded me of the time I saw my grampa color in a flower with pink to make the color pop ❤
I once saw an old school playboy pictures (before photoshop was a thing) with lots of circles and notes detailing which parts of the picture needed to be altered.
Playboy airbrushed genitals for decades to make everyone look like an "innie" which created unrealistic expectations for men (as in, knew guys who called out girls for being hos because of lips shape, which is not related).
Also, weird thing lingerie catalogs did was airbrush out nipples and public hairs showing, which just means they cared more about boys reading those than women who would purchase a set not knowing what shows through.
The joy of airbrush.
Idk why people think wrinkles, makeup, pimples, acne, etc didn't exist back then and people were just THAT perfect 😅
So that's why some of the old photos might have that otherwordly drawned look.
Cause they are partially drawned.
I did hear when digital broadcasting started news women had their makeup done through digital screen before going on. Many looked overmakuped before they did that.
Her face looks so much like Marilyn 😍
Watch her other videos, she looks like alot of other celebrities 🤗
no she doesn’t
@@moonwitch5504actually she kinda does idk how you don’t see it😂
Can't believe no one else has mentioned this. She does!!!!
My grandma studied photography back in the 70's so I already knew about this, but it is still amazing to think about
Edited or not, you're insanely gorgeous lol
This is cool. I'd never heard of that. Always did wonder how those old magazines looked so well done for the time
My grandfather was a professional photographer back in the 40's - 60's and used pencils. So cool!
So were my parents! They opened in 46 and retired in 84. I grew up in their studio. Baby portraits, prom, graduation, engagement, and wedding photo shoots. It was fun! Point and shoot was the end of it, but there's still a few pros around. There was something magical about the darkroom - a mysterious alchemy!
Photos have been retouched and manipulated since cameras were a thing. I mean even artists make subjects prettier in paintings.
Yep
also bloom filters for films to make skin appear smoother.
The thing that came into my mind when u showed that side by side is
'persona persona persona persona beauty filter'
THIS! And the tools in Photoshop are literally named after the tools for retouching film photos
Totally true! I used to be a dye spotter during the 80s. I worked for a national random house that corrected portraits, magazines shots and yes even miss america.
This is true. Part of my diploma was photography and we used to use different techniques like filling in negatives and using motion to blur out details during the actual processing.
well this certainly opened my eyes
Nah but you can literally see the original waist under the pencil marks on that last one 😭
I just assumed it was the fuzzy look old photographs had that worked like a built in skin filter, I’ve never heard of this method of editing before but it’s so cool to learn about
I’m so glad I took film photography as. Teenager and learned this editing style. I don’t think I’d survive without knowing photos are just models of real life.
That is fascinating but still sad
Oh that's why my grandparents look so flawless and puppet-like in their wedding photo. I didn't know about that, interesting video!!
Gouache was also used for coloured photography, to restore photos or retouch elements, especially women faces. Retouch will never die out, becuase people want to look for perfect than what they seem.
Wow, that's pretty interesting. Human ingenuity never ceases to amaze
Very informative 👍🏾
Interesting, the thing is, that now this is available to everyone. Not just movie stars.
I mean back then it wasn't only celebrities that had their photos retouched either, it was pretty much anyone who could afford to have their photo taken, and even further back anyone who could afford to have their portrait painted; the more accurate difference would be that now you can do it yourself instead of having it done for you
Humans becoming more synthetic than robots.
@@nevin8604do you have any other quotes from hot topic?
anyone who had their photos taken could have them edited. i’m not sure what your point is
@@coolchameleon21 sure, anyone with, money, and time. Now it's cheap and easy, so it's everywhere now.
Thank you SO MUCH for sharing this fact!!! More people need to know this.
When I was a teenager I remember having a conversation with my grandmother about beauty and I mentioned to her how beautiful her skin looked when she was my age and I was jealous of that. That's when she dropped this bomb on me, that she did in fact have many blemishes on her skin and all her photos from when she was young were edited in this way. It was a common practice, that's why in old photos everyone has flawless skin.
Anyone old enough to remember the transition to HD TVs will remember the reactions of some people realising the people on tv werent as attractive as they seemed before.
Old technology provided a built-in filter due to its lower quality. People forget that when they're looking at old videos or photos, they forget that all the little imperfections of real people were getting washed out
Thank you Ms. Jessica for this information! I had no clue this was a thing! 😊
I know right. 😸
@@GoaWay... :)
I think the amount of altered images people are exposed to now is very different, and even just half a decade ago, people had the expectation that all non-professional video was untouched.
Amd regarding the smaller waists, that was also partly an illusion. They had their version of a butt pad or BBL. Just add padding to the hips or wear a hoop skirt. All of a sudden it's a tiny waist! Lol
This is insane!!! I never knew this
The difference is now literally every human with internet access had the ability to use Photoshop, while back then, you were lucky if you had a camera, let alone a guy who knew how to properly retouch those pictures during the 100% manual developing and processing phase. Photoshop back then was a god damned career.
It's not about the people that retouche though. The remarks are basically, ya'll just ugly today and need photoshop, women back then were naturally beautiful (I exagerrated, but you get the idea). And she showed, nope, they had the same "flaws" and were also retouched.
Men in general often have no clue what they talk about. A male friend back in the day when Michelle Pfeiffer was at her peak showed at one of her posters he hung up and said that he has a crush on her because she doesn't need make up, she's naturally beautiful. Us girls just looked at each other, burst out laughing and then explained natural make up to him pointing at all the clues.
Back then, only people with money (actresses, models, etc.) could afford photo manipulation. If you look at pics of average people, faces haven't changed much.
You're still lucky if you have people who know how to properly retouch your photo, because most people these days do not know how to do that lol
@@rikk319 that's not true, my grandma in USSR had a studio portrait of grandpa which looked almost nothing like he did because of retouching, and they were workers in Soviet Donbas! Of course in the West every middle class person could afford more.
P.S. Anyone doing photos at home could also manipulate negatives, there's so much technique for that.
what definitely has changed is the ease of and actual access to editing. Many if not most phone cameras do it automatically, even for amateurs doing selfies or event/family snaps ( amateurs=people who don't earn their living from how they appear to look on photos). Meanwhile if the same "amateurs" took those kinds of pictures in the 80's or 90's basically 0% would have been edited let alone to the the detail that todays automatic processing can. Kinda apples and oranges here, so it's a scewed analogy. Like saying "In the 40's there were already cars with power windows, just like today, nothing has changed really" whilst ignoring that having a technology and the same being so affordable that it is now hard to find one without it is a big difference. To me what's more important than wether it exists or not, is who can and does use it and to what end.
In the end yeah, it's interesting, but I think what many people are expressing when they complain about "too much editing" is the fact that now that basically everybody has the means to edit, no longer is it the rich elites of hollywood and glam magazines that build false expectations of how people (especially women) should look, but now it's pretty much everybody that does it to themselves/each other. It's self destructive either way, but sadly our brains are just wired to make us want to conform to beauty standarts no matter how unattainable or irrational they might be.
Thank you. Literally the only critical thinker here
Absolutely, that is the key point in this
Well said! 👏
your point is valid, but hers is valid, too - women and girls compare themselves to the beauty relative perfection of these edited images, and not with reality. You mention the 80s and 90s as if the photoshopped celebs didn't give girls eating disorders lol. Ease of access today AND the fact that we are consuming So Many More Images does make this effect more surround-sound, but her point is that unrealistic perfection (that women are led to believe is just natural beauty, and therefore try to achieve in the mirror) has been around as long as images have. Whether it's on instagram or on the big screen, women are comparing themselves to these photoshopped images, not to the normal person standing next to them in line at the grocery store. It's not apples and oranges, it's a matter of degree - but you're right that the issue has gotten way more severe as the tech is now available to essentially everyone on earth.
Thank you for actually using critical thinking. So disappointing people want to try to straw man a topic in order to select the core aspect at hand.
My first time ever seeing your channel and girl, you look JUST like Marilyn herself. Absolutely gorgeous! ❤
My dad told me this when I was 5 because he used to retouch magazines.
It's sadly extremely typical that people will call others "ugly" and say how they should be more like a certain type, when that certain type uses lighting, professional make-up and hairstyling, cosmetic surgery and filters/photo-editing to look like that lmao. And it's always the kind of people who say they like an "all natural look" lmfao.
Sad, indeed.
What feels sadder is when someone puts themselves through all that to conform but, ultimately, get rejected because they look fake.
And even in the time of the painted portrait you would have the artist embellishing the beauty of the subject which is why francisco de goya was so controversial because he would draw the spanish royal family looking exactly as they are
I actully learned about this in film class today. God really has a way of finding what’s right for you 😂
precisely, I wish people would root their self worth in christ and not in the material validation of mere people.
Wow, dud not know that! Also your "Marilyn" brows are rockin it! ❤ Your stunning
That's why they have so smooth skin 💀
okay, then I miss the times before photography or even portrait art.
Lol I had done the same thing on a b/w image. I used to also scan negatives and digitize them. Created a masking layer to add texture to the layer so that I could color it. Blend it and smoothen out the textured layer. Knowing color theory was essential.
My teacher that taught us said "people change but not their problems and habits"
My grandmother had a photo like this. She was never a bad looking sort of person, but she never had a "perfectly flawless" look about her either. I still like this photo of her. I feel she took it cause she adored the girls in the moving pictures, and she really does look like one of them from the 1930's.
That's some cool trivia
Also, lighting, staging, makeup, etc. In the early 2000s a big deal was made about HDTV and how people looked less attractive.
I agree with you, I think that the main issue today is that ease of digital editing making not only easier, but faster and accesible to a mass population, and in that population even a 12 year old girl can edit their face to a "better" face without realizing creating image issues than can be not only dangerous but lasting. Just triying to add a broader perspective to the message of the short, I liked, very informative 👍🏾
My great-grandmother’s job was retouching photos using grey paint.
These facts are frightening😳
I didn't know about the pencils for retouching, thanks for showing that process in detail!
One thing I knew before though was in movies, on closeup shots of female leads especially, they'd often put the camera slightly out of focus and/or brighten the lights so any "blemishes" would get blurred out but without sacrificing too much of the rest of the image quality.
(Though I guess this is less "photoshopped" and more "instagram filter", lol)
My grandfather worked with this, he had a photo studio, he also collored black n white photos by hand
I genuinely laughed my ass off. I'm so happy to know the "old" and "natural" beauty is the same as a clean girl look + filter + angle of nowadays, it has always been like this and I love that for us, ✨️shapeshifters unite✨️ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wow! I had no idea! Thank you for the info ❤
She’s so pretty 😊
I knew they did it but I didn't know HOW until now! Thanks for sharing one of the techniques :) very interesting
You can also do a lot of photo editing in the darkroom by using filters, masks, etc. to manipulate the image being projected through the image by the enlarger onto the photo paper. Learned how to do that while I was in college.
I grew up in my parents photo studio. I loved the projection process. The darkroom was magical alchemy!
@@Lee-jh6cr But your hands wind up smelling like sulfur. [grin]
Yep. That was literally my job for years. I was a negative retouched. I also was able to work on the actual photographs.
I freaking love how when she smiles she looked EXACTLY like Marilyn! (Btw she was not a natural blonde.)
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