5 Plugins that Complete an Ableton Setup

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @kozihoppy
    @kozihoppy Год назад +100

    You need to adjust the attack in Trackspacer so it sounds as snappy as Ableton's compressor. You can access the envelope panel by clicking on the little circle on the lower right corner of the spectrum analyzer.

    • @davidbunyai2294
      @davidbunyai2294 Год назад +7

      hmm that makes his whole point kinda worthless i thought trackspacer soundedf much better....

    • @darrelljohnston562
      @darrelljohnston562 Год назад +1

      Didn't know that....thanks

    • @SylvanPaul
      @SylvanPaul Год назад +3

      Yup, you can also adjust mid-side targeting, which is super useful

    • @Mopark25
      @Mopark25 Год назад +2

      ​​@@davidbunyai2294I'm not sure why he chose to demonstrate Trackspacer with drums. It's better for ducking specific frequencies, like where vocals and a lead may clash. Though you can also achieve that with stock plug-ins by controlling the gain of an EQ node with a envelope controller.

  • @johnnytacos5529
    @johnnytacos5529 Год назад +2

    Been following this channel for a short time. Been following dosio since...kinetic playground, Chicago 2011. Put two and two together today.
    I never said I was bright.

  • @novelmus
    @novelmus Год назад +11

    Thanks for recommending our tools! 28:17

  • @SHONSL
    @SHONSL 9 месяцев назад +2

    You can also use Soothe2 for frequency sidechaining much like how you did with Trackspacer.

  • @moritzlattemann8317
    @moritzlattemann8317 11 месяцев назад

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  • @altberg__
    @altberg__ Месяц назад

    I just discovered your channel and i have to say you are an amazing teacher. Love it. Thanks !

  • @wintermute2874
    @wintermute2874 Год назад +1

    you have an awesome, super in depth but clear teaching style

  • @Musician_Robert
    @Musician_Robert Год назад +1

    I like that Soothe2 Frequency Shaper and the Fab Filter plugins!

  • @alfredomanzano8436
    @alfredomanzano8436 Год назад +12

    Saturn and L2 are always in my master chain. Room, Vintage Verb, Delay and Supermassive by Valhalla dsp are also essential for me

    • @vjmcgovern
      @vjmcgovern 5 месяцев назад

      BIGGGGG fan of vintage verb and supermassive, haven’t messed with Valhalla’s delay very much. What would you say is its stand-out feature?

  • @gregcarlino7906
    @gregcarlino7906 Год назад +2

    Great video! Another essential tool for me is an automatic gain compensator for my plug-in chain, the best solution I’ve found is MAGC from Melda Production

  • @WDIPJordi
    @WDIPJordi Год назад +4

    I really enjoy your videos man, thanks. Your knowledge of the subject matter combined with the way you manage to explain things in an understandable way are just great. Also, some tutorials on RUclips take negative views of certain software or gear, or present things without nuance. You're very positive and you take time to explain both good and bad use cases of software, without discrediting gear altogether.

  • @thepatzer
    @thepatzer Год назад +2

    The Tokyo Dawn Labs (TDR) Limiter-6 (GE, in particular) is another nice option with lots of ability to dial things in.

  • @josipvulic5471
    @josipvulic5471 Год назад +2

    Great explanation of why the versatility of Fabfilter L2 is important to consider when trying to limit a track for the final mastered release.

  • @static-san
    @static-san Год назад +2

    One of the best explanations of where the limitations are in some of the Ableton Live effects.

  • @machinemademan
    @machinemademan 7 месяцев назад

    im using an instrument rack split into three bands and dividing the mid and high bands into mids and sides..you can put any effect on any part of any band and toss a mono utility on the low band. its so much less resource heavy than saturn 2. but the mythical 3d preset on the master is just so good

  • @carptackula7536
    @carptackula7536 Год назад +5

    Awesome video! @Ant - Can you PLEASE do a tutorial on how you made that LOW BASS sound ? - I LOVE that BASS sound!!! (I can hear the notes, and obviously it's in wavetable and there are some filter sweeps and pitch bends, but I can hear something else modulated in there...)

  • @SteveAdamsChannel
    @SteveAdamsChannel Год назад

    That track is funky!!

  • @chandeleerjet5637
    @chandeleerjet5637 Год назад

    🔥🔥 ive always found that instead of using a compressor to duck a bass, putting a utility plugin on the bass and automating the gain of the utility to duck right when the kick hits works very well. Might take longer to copy each kick hit in an 8 bar loop but you can get the perfect envelope, select the range of the envelope and copy and paste that envelop Anywhere a kick hits. Plus i work better seeinf whats happening instead of confusing myself with sidechain sends etc…The reason i don’t use regular volume automation is because you still want to be able to adjust the overall track volume while keeping the gain ducks on utility.

  • @haphaz7ard
    @haphaz7ard Год назад

    If you work with vocals I would also recommend a pitch-correction plugin as I don't think Ableton really has anything great stock for that (although there might be some good m4l devices)

  • @infinitedurr
    @infinitedurr Год назад +18

    With resonance suppression & dynamic EQs, they're absolutely awesome, but they can really easily suck all the character out of the music by reducing all those resonant peaks. Sometimes a bit of janky frequencies is exactly what makes something interesting. Then again, I saved one of my mixes today by using a resonance suppression plugin on the master bus :D So it definitely has it's place.

    • @SeedtoStage
      @SeedtoStage  Год назад +7

      for sure youre right. I would also caution against using these on the master or on busses too because there is the potential for phase issues. If there is a peaky signal its best to use these kinds of tools at the individual track level

    • @cheesepatrol2376
      @cheesepatrol2376 Год назад

      very true. it almost never really does what i really want it to do. usually it's better just doing it with dynamic eq

    • @hallocine
      @hallocine Год назад

      Yeah but it is like every single plugin. You always need to adjust the settings subtly. Because at the end, every little issue is going to be a big one on the mastering stage.

  • @divergentmedia1239
    @divergentmedia1239 Год назад

    Loved it bro great tutorial ! Thanks S2S fam ! 🎉

  • @thespecialist6831
    @thespecialist6831 Год назад +1

    I use trackspacer on my tracks to make room for vocals , very subtly in the final mix it makes a huge difference. STFU is a free plugin I use for ducking and it works amazing. imo ducking>compressor for sidechaining bass.

  • @superlynx98
    @superlynx98 Год назад +9

    One massive glaring hole in Ableton's stock offering is pitch correction. They need to integrate something like Melodyne into the audio editor, and make something for automatic real-time tuning.

    • @DJ_MARIANO
      @DJ_MARIANO 2 месяца назад +2

      you got what you asked for!

  • @loristangelan6523
    @loristangelan6523 Год назад +1

    Awesome videos dude, thanks! Just a quick feedback, @9:10-9:20 you bias the viewer to hear something wrong in the Ableton's Limiter, maybe make us listen to the comparisons first and then make your comment.! Keep it up!

  • @TaiBaSs40
    @TaiBaSs40 Год назад

    Very good explain !! Thx for your videos

  • @LordofGammel
    @LordofGammel 4 месяца назад

    thank you very much for this very helpful video!

  • @tyeblee23
    @tyeblee23 Год назад

    Just saying I love this channel and all the information has helped me tremendously ❤

  • @Soulmachine72
    @Soulmachine72 Год назад +1

    I miss Autotune in Ableton.
    I use alot of stock plugins in ableton. As a matter of fact I'm kind of minimalistic in going for outside plugins. I'm trying to get by with the stock plugins as far as I can...
    But really quickly I needed to buy an outside plugin and that was an autotune plugin.
    I sometimes use the pitch stuff you can use on audio clips for minor adjustments - but if you want the autotune sound you'll have look elsewhere.
    The most common question I get from vocalists is "Do you have autotune?" 🙂
    Great stuff from you by the way 🙂👍

  • @ItalianAvalanche
    @ItalianAvalanche 5 месяцев назад

    Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying about dynamic sidechain EQ in Ableton but I was able to dynamic sidechain EQ using the envelope follower. I mapped the envelope follower to gain reduction on the EQ triggered by bass drum, snare drum, and Toms and applied the EQs to a return with sends from guitar+bass+cymbals. Basically I’m using the transient instruments to drive dynamic sidechain EQ to make space in the sustain instruments only at the frequencies that the transient instruments are present and only while they’re active.

  • @shakuganoshanayoutube4112
    @shakuganoshanayoutube4112 Год назад +17

    Excellent ! Trackspacer can be replaced by soothe though (sidechain feature as well), so that's one less plugin to worry about ! :)

    • @franciscoojeda11
      @franciscoojeda11 Год назад

      And also you can replace soothe with trackspacer. Both of them can do the almost the same with a few workarounds. And if soothe it's too expensive you can always try dseq

    • @keveydaking
      @keveydaking Год назад

      Don't trackspacer and Soothe serve different purposes though? I thought Trackspacer targeted all frequencies in the range whereas Soothe targets particular resonances?

    • @viktorkoning1442
      @viktorkoning1442 Год назад

      @@keveydaking not if you use it for sidechain compression :)

    • @franciscoojeda11
      @franciscoojeda11 Год назад +3

      @@keveydaking Trackspacer works with a external sidechain, but what if your track, for example a lead vox with harsh resonance
      1. You create a duplicate, a bus, or a pre fader return track where you have a copy of your lead vocal
      2. You insert a trackspacer on the lead vox track (the original one) and in the sidechain select the track that you created on the step before
      3. Set the low and high cut of trackspacer the amount knob only works in the area of the resonances. You can also put a EQ on the bus/return track and boost some freqs to achieve a larger reduction in that area, like the soothe does.
      So basically as you can use the soothe like a trackspacer, you can also use the trackspacer as a soothe !

    • @carptackula7536
      @carptackula7536 Год назад +1

      Trackspacer doesn't cause phase issues and is lighter on CPU too

  • @timpilney2197
    @timpilney2197 Год назад +1

    I wouldn't say the ableton limiter is "bad" but compared to the free loudmax limiter it uses more latency which means you can't use as many. Also when you run a sine through abletons limiter or even ff pro l (half the settings are fairly transparent) you'll find that loudmax makes the least distortion of the 3 in even the most aggressive settings

  • @kavinath
    @kavinath Год назад +1

    Very informative.

  • @Mincher
    @Mincher Год назад

    I quite liked the way Ableton's limiter smashed that snare. :D

  • @KMcirca82
    @KMcirca82 Год назад

    i agree with you as usual. you are wise and often on point. your selection of tools is much the same as mine.

  • @rebirth4119
    @rebirth4119 Год назад

    Something to note is with resonance suppression plugins is that it will lessen the peaks so that it matches that of surrounding frequencies(to create more of a flat frequency response). This means at times it may make the sound less at the forefront of the mix so you would have to use an eq or midside eq to emphasize certain frequencies like 1-5k.

  • @raheemkhanasa884
    @raheemkhanasa884 Год назад +7

    Talk about the Color limiter in Ableton 11.

  • @compucorder64
    @compucorder64 Год назад +2

    I like Decapitator for gnarly saturation, and Black Box Analog Design HG-2 for smoother. At some point, in a sale, I'd maybe like to get Softube M.A.S. Overstayer. I think you are right that you don't need much outside of Ableton. But, saturation is one area. For me, the other areas are Granular processing with more finesse and power (Portal, Novum) and character Reverb (Arturia Plate, Eventide Spring, Valhalla VintageVerb). I wonder if Sonible Smart:Limit might suit people starting out from Ableton better than L2? The last thing is tape emulations and effects, loads of choice, but I have a soft spot for Sketch Casette II and it's very affordable.

  • @tdtrecordsmusic
    @tdtrecordsmusic Год назад

    the distortion thing is why I bought the UAD apollo , with near zero latency I can use external distortion effects :) any external sound thing

  • @lukewarm.egg_6998
    @lukewarm.egg_6998 6 месяцев назад

    If you're broke, I would recommend Limiter 06 by VladG and Loudmax by Thomas Mundt as some free limiter options with robust controls and a good sound. Ableton's limiter is unusable, but there are some good free limiters out there!!!

  • @OskarSylwester
    @OskarSylwester 2 месяца назад

    from what i can see ableton roar is somewhat similar to this saturn plugin.
    i didn't know that the limiter is so weak in ableton.
    soothe2 is brilliant

  • @hahaxolotl
    @hahaxolotl 9 месяцев назад

    i would love for you to test out bitwig, since you can build pretty much anything you want in there. If youd want to

  • @REYNmusician
    @REYNmusician Год назад +1

    Nice!

  • @zenluiz
    @zenluiz Год назад

    Good info there. The comparisons should be done without stopping the song though, otherwise our brains can't get the difference.

  • @5amsound
    @5amsound Год назад

    Wooah Polymath is sick!

  • @Illiyinmusic
    @Illiyinmusic 7 месяцев назад

    I had a plugin/vst addiction for a while where i was just buying away because, "this is gonna make it for me, and im gonna be inspired" and i rarely use the majority of them...nice to have, but after realizing you can do the same thing, or basically duplicate the sound to a t with audio fx and some tweaking, which is actually fun, I wish i would have put that money to new guitars instead lol..

  • @rola8597
    @rola8597 Год назад +1

    doesn't soothe 2 do what trackspacer does when sidechained but better with more control?

  • @Mr.Foggybrain
    @Mr.Foggybrain Год назад

    Very well done video and very informative! Thank you for making these kinds of videos! Will be subbing for sure!

  • @danbient
    @danbient Год назад +2

    0 ms lookahead versus 3ms in the limiter section so pro L would have even more latency! Have you tried Glue Compressor in a limiting capacity?

  • @troybjones4
    @troybjones4 Год назад

    There is also an open source loudness meter max for live device which I think works well, gives instant or integrated loudness

    • @maximrueegger
      @maximrueegger Год назад +1

      Would you care to share said loudness meter with the community? :)

  • @jackthehumanofficial
    @jackthehumanofficial Год назад +1

    yes king please pro q vs eq 8!!!!

    • @davidmcgirr
      @davidmcgirr Год назад

      Would love to see the comparison

    • @jawsh1971
      @jawsh1971 Год назад

      Dan Worrall did a great video on this. He's the voice of the FabFilter instructional videos, but he's quick admit when something does a better job. He really liked EQ 8. ruclips.net/video/ebBqP2PteAQ/видео.html

  • @peterreynolds558
    @peterreynolds558 Год назад

    Would be good to look at Tokyo Dawn's Nova for a couple of these applications

  • @yago8672
    @yago8672 Год назад

    Super cool and well thought video

  • @alkisliv
    @alkisliv 9 месяцев назад

    "We can hear that 'Bwwahhhh' sound". No, we cannot. I think I need to improve my critical listening more than everything, and I just noticed it's one of your first chapters in your mixing course!

  • @AztechNation
    @AztechNation 5 месяцев назад

    You can make trackspacer in ableton 12.1 beta now I’m pretty stock plugins

  • @donniem6783
    @donniem6783 Год назад

    Interesting watch, thanks. Do you have any similar videos going through the best vst synths?

  • @tripixhexagonius2716
    @tripixhexagonius2716 Год назад +1

    Thanks a lot for your work :)
    What about Rift from Minimal Audio? Is it compareable to Saturn 2?

  • @bluematrix5001
    @bluematrix5001 Год назад

    Play with the settings in track spacer to get rid of the clicky sound

  • @iuliantimar
    @iuliantimar 7 месяцев назад

    thank you for this great informative video!!! is this epic song you use to demo the techniques released somewhere? would love to listen to it!

  • @jubeijackson6602
    @jubeijackson6602 Год назад +1

    Love TrackSpacer

  • @jackthehumanofficial
    @jackthehumanofficial Год назад

    luv yew anthony thanks forever ❤

  • @ancestralvision
    @ancestralvision Год назад +2

    I think it's fair to mention that Fabfilter L2 in Oversampling x8 mode is causing waaay more latency then when reduced, while Ableton Limiter doesn't have any oversampling options.

    • @linzenmeyer
      @linzenmeyer Год назад

      and at the same time, Ableton with 128 samples at 2.9ms vs 2929 samples at 66.4ms ... that's 22.88 times higher than ableton....meaning they are LITERALLY the same (22.88 x 2.9 = 66.352)
      I call bullshit on this video, he's just selling plugins. He should've added affiliate links.

    • @mudboy5
      @mudboy5 Год назад +1

      @@linzenmeyer huh? but that's a good thing for pro L2 right? if it has the same latency with same options AND has more/better options he's just telling the truth isn't he?

    • @SoundsBy80K
      @SoundsBy80K Год назад

      in general i turn off true peak limiting, its better to use some proper ceiling instead...

  • @Disisions
    @Disisions Год назад

    Can you do a gate in Ableton review? For vocals

  • @stjarnstrom
    @stjarnstrom 2 месяца назад

    Could the Soothe2 sidechain function do the same as Trackspacer, though? Perhaps this could be a list of 4 plugins, not 5 :)

  • @michaelduff2382
    @michaelduff2382 Год назад +1

    You may have touched in this in another video but can you explain why oversampling was turned off in the saturator? I always assumed oversampling >

  • @Jdinrbfidndifofkdndjoflfndjdk
    @Jdinrbfidndifofkdndjoflfndjdk Год назад

    Amazing video

  • @KevinBadloe
    @KevinBadloe Год назад

    Hi Seed to stage, really appreciating your vids, they approach learning ableton in a whole different way. I do have a question though: what are your thoughts on analog compression vst’s? One of the things plug-ins chase are those ‘analogue’ sounds and how does something like FaBfilter’s pro c2 compare and do you actually need it?

  • @machinemademan
    @machinemademan 7 месяцев назад

    kickstart 2 in sidechain mode sounds better than sidechaining a comp to me. soothe 2 as a sidechain to kick or snare or vocals is better than either of those imo. nothing ducks better than soothe with as little work

  • @shakeeljessa9619
    @shakeeljessa9619 Год назад

    Make the fabfilter referencing video! I was just wondering about that

  • @voyage2infinity480
    @voyage2infinity480 Год назад

    lives drum bus is brilliant too

  • @aaroncross4063
    @aaroncross4063 4 месяца назад

    Might be a new Ableton Limiter coming out soon..

  • @wired-up5677
    @wired-up5677 Год назад

    Trackspacer turned that first example into sounding like pretty lights

  • @Bthelick
    @Bthelick Год назад +1

    You can mimick track spacer more accurately by having Ableton's envelope generator modulate an eq.

  • @maykit
    @maykit Год назад

    The VU meter on Decapitator makes me wonder why it's there. Is it possible that the signal feeding the Decapitator is to loud? It's an excellent video, thx.

  • @neopunkmusic
    @neopunkmusic Год назад

    Very good channel with USEFUL INFORMATION. Subbed. Liked. :)

  • @rochellevincentevonk
    @rochellevincentevonk Год назад

    Great info .. how do u rate the Isotope Plugins?

  • @mxndae
    @mxndae Месяц назад

    Soothe forever :)

  • @alansalomon
    @alansalomon Год назад +2

    Polymath by Novel Music 👌

  • @GuidoGautsch
    @GuidoGautsch Год назад

    Great vid!
    Did you happen to record the camera to OBS? It's a bit choppy (dropped frames ) and I've found this happens when I connect my mirrorless camera to OBS and record that way (versus recording to SD).

  • @stephen6272
    @stephen6272 Год назад

    so is soothe2 kind of a replacement for sweep-eqing?

  • @rebirth4119
    @rebirth4119 Год назад

    As someone who uses Soothe 2, I was wondering whether Soothe 2 or Trackspacer does a better job at frequency sidechaining for space?

  • @ElectricEddieDaus
    @ElectricEddieDaus 9 месяцев назад

    I am not hearing a difference between the Pro-L2 and the Ableton Limiter in your comparisons. I am listening on a good system with Adam TV-7 speakers. Not sure why?

  • @linzenmeyer
    @linzenmeyer Год назад +2

    So, I'm listening on my studio headphones.....I don't hear any of the "Things" you are talking about.....which makes me wonder.....Does it even matter when the "Listener" is listening to an MP3 off of Spotify with Blutooth ear buds with built-in bass boost and processing? (Beats, etc)

  • @maximrueegger
    @maximrueegger Год назад

    Thanks for sharing yet another great insight into your sound design and mixing approaches. Have you tried Vastaus by Wavegroove as a resonance reduction tool? It's free, and sounds quite nice and natural. Obviously it offers far less control and accuracy than soothe. But I often ask myself how much surgical resonance taming is really necessary, or even desired during sound design, and if not the simplest, more natural solution would be to apply a dynamic EQ (surgical, e.g. Nova from TDR) for problem frequencies. Also, I was wondering why you don't apply oversampling on the Ableton stock saturator, when you are applying it on all the other clippers/limiters/saturators. In the end, it's all about what sounds better, taking into consideration how much aliasing occurs, depending on your project sample rate.

  • @keveydaking
    @keveydaking Год назад

    Is a limiter with a slow attack essentially a soft clipper?

  • @kunfu8085
    @kunfu8085 Год назад +4

    Nice plugin selection, Saturn 2 is an huge versatile monster.
    Suprizely I Tought you will present shaperbox 3 in this selection, because it's a real workflow enhancer for mixing, SC and sound design, maybe in another video ;)

    • @maximrueegger
      @maximrueegger Год назад +1

      ShaperBox @Cableguys is insane. Almost every time I use it, I discover some new sound design technique. Most of what I thought I knew about filters, volume, time etc. FX has been turned on its head by ShaperBox.
      In his video about sidechaining, Anthony @SeedtoStage mentions SB among others, but focuses on Duck Buddy. Look up "How to Turn Audio Into MIDI Triggers..." on this channel.

  • @SylvanPaul
    @SylvanPaul Год назад

    Soothe is unreal. Nothing like it. I would add Split EQ from Eventide to this list and/or Spiff from Oeksound. That's all the transient shaping you could ever possibly need.

  • @PretendPassing
    @PretendPassing Год назад

    i think fabfilter pro q 3 could be a "better" solution for dynamic eq bands that ableton eq 8 (i believe?!) can't have as a feature.

  • @viktoronopko1853
    @viktoronopko1853 Год назад

    Something like melodyne, linear phase eq with build in pdc, transient designer

  • @duncanmaclennan9624
    @duncanmaclennan9624 Год назад

    Youve got 2 dynamic eq's....
    Oeksound Sooth can sidechain = therefore replacing Trackspacer

  • @cubexBeats
    @cubexBeats Год назад

    when comparing those limiters you should have used 3 ms lookahead in fabfilters limiter too (or isnt it important?), also abletons limiters doenst have those 8x oversampling you used in pro -L.

  • @GermoStaalfeldt
    @GermoStaalfeldt Год назад

    why do I get phasing with trackspacer?

  • @PeterJaquesMusic
    @PeterJaquesMusic Год назад

    What exactly is the difference between resonance suppression and regular dynamic eq like pro-q3?

    • @adamswierczynski
      @adamswierczynski Год назад

      Resonance suppression only compresses harsh elements within a frequency band. Dynamic eq compresses all of the frequency band.

  • @tmwsmith
    @tmwsmith Год назад

    Isn't the "clicky" eq sc ducker first plugin only "clicky" because the envelope needs tightening?

  • @push2talkbox370
    @push2talkbox370 Год назад

    you are my Hero ;)

  • @itchyvinyl
    @itchyvinyl Год назад

    Can you make a whole series on LogicPro real quick?

  • @giedriusastrauskas2829
    @giedriusastrauskas2829 Год назад

    How did he do the switch in 6:50 ? I tried pressing V (I'm Mac user) but it doesn't switch, such an amazing shortcut I wish I could do it too hahah

  • @averagepainter
    @averagepainter Год назад

    i'm so glad that i don't need any plugins because i consistantly can't hear any difference between the limiters.

  • @marcosrotllan
    @marcosrotllan 8 месяцев назад

    Decapitator vs saturn vs roar?

  • @voyage2infinity480
    @voyage2infinity480 Год назад

    izotope sub has unmask if you dont wanna buy trackspacer

  • @lowkeylee
    @lowkeylee 8 месяцев назад

    Now we have Roar built in which may even rival Saturn2