Especially now that the latest full trailer of Toy Story 5 released, it wants to try and fix the damage Toy Story 4 did to the characters while it’ll also just be recycling plots from the original trilogy, and making them nonsensically worse… This is like SW ROS trying to fix the irreparable damage done in TLJ, but only ended up making things worse…
Brad Bird: How can I make a sequel? I had a story to tell with the Parr family, and I told it. I don't have another story to tell. Executives: Then tell it again.
@CST1992 That’s not Brad’s fault. This is to blame the Disney executives for cutting out an entire year of production in favor of Toy Story 4, so The Incredibles 2 instead got pulled to be released a year early, which was an error on their part because that didn’t give Brad Bird enough time to complete it the way he wanted. So this goes to show that even if you have the same talented directors that made the original movie, that doesn’t mean it’ll stop executives from screwing up the creative visions of said directors and producers…
King Candy was, and always will be, the best twist villain ever made. So many twist villains suck because you only get to see them _as a villain_ during the final act. King Candy is a bad guy throughout the entire film, with the twist being about who he actually is.
@DAVIDALBERTOMEJIACABRERA He's not as bad I feel. Because you're immediately like "oh he's evil" then when he comes back and is helping and seems really genuine you think you were wrong, only for him to turn out to be evil all along. Plus the added fact that his family also didn't know he was going to double-cross Judy.
Tech is clearly different in-universe. In the first film Bob is working with a clearly 80s-style computer, they have video cameras, VHS, and the Parr family have multiple tv's in their home. @KennyHavoc
One of the dumbest things in the sequel to me is when Helen shoots a flare gun at Evelyn's oxygen tank deliberately and that creates a massive explosion that rips metal and shoots Evelyn out the plane and somehow Evelyn with no real powers survives that, and Helen tries to save Evelyn after that as if she didn't deliberately try to kill her.
It feels like many modern movies lean heavily into themes and tones that I would describe as more emotionally driven or “feminized,” and as a result, they sometimes lack the grit, toughness, or traditionally masculine energy that older films often had. There also seems to be a strong push toward particular social perspectives, including LGBTQ+ representation, which can make some films feel agenda-driven rather than purely story-focused. Because of that, it can feel harder to find movies that prioritize strong storytelling, complex characters, and organic themes over messaging.
Syndrome killed so many people, and was quick to do it. Screenslaver didn’t kill anyone and let a lot of characters live when she’d benefit from killing then despite not caring about them.
I remember thinking the sequel was feeling weirdly toothless while watching it in theaters, but then the climax happened and it all crystalized. If it'd happened in the first movie, Evelyn getting shot in the chest with a flare while wearing an oxygen system and going through a plane's windshield would've absolutely killed her. Might have even had a grim gag of burning chunks of her raining down around the family.
@TylerBR97 as though kids are retarded or deserve stupid entertainment and are stupid themselves, newsflash kids aren't stupid lmao they are fucking far more clever and can follow along far more than most anyone thinks unless ofc you have kids So yeah absolutely spot on dude it's the worst excuse, how much adult stuff do kids watch because they can follow along and love it and it's certainly not made for kids, Marvel isn't made for kids per sé and they can follow along with a gazillion movies lol saying they don't deserve well crafted entertainment is insulting
Me(Remembers the first one): "So...whats the excuse now?" Seriously. Number one is one of the best twist villain reveals I've ever seen done. It's the right level of dark and adult. A LOT of supers murdered to make the Omnidroid doesn't feel like a kids movie. The hints at Bob cheating(when its just him going to do superhero things)as well as the midlife crisis is NOT a kids movie. Helen telling her kids that the soldiers on Nomanisan will murder them if they get a chance...it just was so much better. I know Syndrome is not a slow burn like Waternoose or Ernesto De La Cruz, but its, again, a great twist. Buddy is not what I was expecting to be the main villain, but the fact that he's a brilliant technology expert when he's a child leads up to the reveal on the Omnidroid. It feels like they tried to make us overall forget that Syndrome...happened in 2. They don't really talk about him or the effect he had on the supers at all(seriously, dozens, at least what we see, killed off to perfect the Omnidroid). There's a deleted scene(in concept, but unfinished)that has a memorial for Gazerbeam. With so many supers destroyed, it would make it interesting and heartwarming to see that there were some remaining in the scene where Helen meets the new supers(Voyd, Screech, Brick, etc;) But it overall seemed brushed over.
The worst part about it is that it not only belittles children and their ability to understand complex stories, it outright STUNTS their ability to understand complex stories. If you raise your kids on boring, oversimplified nonsense, YOU ARE RAISING A MORON. They NEED to be challenged with more complex ideas that push them to think in creative ways to figure out what's going on. I loved watching movies as a kid BECAUSE it was fun to find the plot lines and little details in order to figure out and predict the story before it happened. Those skills in deduction and reasoning quite literally help me navigate social interactions and understanding REAL peoples' motivations. I can step back and say "Hmmm, maybe they're acting like this because of something else, I should give them some grace." vs. "They were mean so I hate them now." Maybe a bit overexaggerated, but that is quite literally the difference between an adult and a child. Don't treat children like they'll always be immature and stupid. RAISE them into mature, intelligent adults.
Evelyn was such an obvious twist villain that I thought they were going to fake us out and have her secretly be one of the few good people in a world of deception... Nope.
Helen's monologue to Violet and Dash in the first film where she tells them the true danger of the people they're up against is such a great moment that stuck with me as a kid. Hearing adults won't care if you're a kid was great, and films that kids watch rarely treat them like they're not stupid
You forgot to mention the immediate speech after that, Violet runs to her mom before she leaves and Elastigirl in the most healthiest parent way ever apologizes to Violet and tells her that she was wrong to expect Violet to be able to put a shield on the plane that time. But that doesn’t mean Vi can’t do it, She doubles down that when the time is right She’ll know what to do. It’s such an earnest conversation it rlly stuck with me
@UltiNullifierrHelen realizes that out of the three, she’s the only one who truly understands her own limits and capabilities. She fought with her powers for years, but dash and violet didn’t get that same chance. She understands that she can’t expect them to fight on the same level that she at first thought they could.
@Man77772and this understanding rlly pays off cuz u get to see how proud she is of Violet after the final house attack from syndrome, they just have a rlly heartwarming relationship displayed nicely it was great.
When my mom, sister, and I were on a road trip and lost, my mom thrust a Rand McNally road map into my hands and asked "OK, where are we?" When I told her I didn't know she yelled "You should know! Read the damn map! They teach you that in school, don't they?" She apologized later and we laughed about the "read the damn map" incident for decades afterward. I think of it when I see the bits with Helen and Violet on the plane. When the pressure is on sometimes a parent forgets to be understanding of their child's limitations and lack of knowledge/competence to perform under pressure.
I think what also helps it stick in your mind is that we aren't just told this, we're shown it. Like, it'd be a LOT less memorable if the bad guys hadn't just blown up their airplane, in front of Bob no less.
Ngl tho, hopefully they do something Brad actually wanted to do for num 3. Focus on the characters. Just do a time skip and tell stories of the kids and kinda ignore what happened in num 2
The worldbuilding is also really weird here becuase it doesnt feel like the same world anymore? Doesnt feel like a retro-futurist 60s it just feels like 2005
Tbf, I always felt the first one was early 2000s with just some sixties visual flair. Bob uses a computer at work, VHS recording camera is a small plot point, during the Mirage contacts Mr Incredible for first time scene Bob claims to be watching TV in his room, implying having multiple TVs in a single house which is common for turn of the century, luxurious for sixties. As a kid the movie felt contemporary
@Boltscrap this is what I always thought. The Incredibles universe always came across as a dystopia future where average people have typical 90s/early 2000s tech like flip phones and computers and fashion like raglan shirts and button downs but had outdated cars and homes, while the rich had futuristic tech like robots, tablets, hovercraft and jetpacks
@e-specter20 no they mean literally as in what the film was going for. “E for Everyone” and “K for Kids” are real ratings but for video games instead of movies
Umm films don't use ESRB game rating system. E for everyone also includes anyone ages 6 and up, which means most kids. There is no K rating. EC or early childhood was temporarily used. What you meant to say was maybe PG and G.
@JustSomeKittenwithaGun No, they meant to say E and K. I'm sure they're aware of the G/PG/PG-13/R rating scale just as everyone else is. E and K is just a very obvious way of saying The Incredibles was a film that was made for everyone to watch including kids, and The Incredibles 2 was a film that was made for only kids.
0:05 Funfact, The Incredibles is preserved in the National Film Registry as one of the films to be preserved in history. Alongside with Toy Story, Wall-e and Shrek.
High chance that Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and Shrek 2 will probably be added too in the next few years because of how influential both were to pop culture.
Brad Bird said “you want your Incredibles sequel, here’s your fucking Incredibles sequel” and even encoded his belief about people wanting simulated experiences into the movie.
@jeremytitus9519imagine making a near perfect movie and people still bug you for a sequel because they just want more more more. I understand wanting more from the Incredibles universe but people can’t leave well enough alone. Plus Disney is gonna go for the money.
It’s a shame they didn’t just age up the family like, 10 or 15 years into the future. Like, they already figured out their family dynamic for this phase of their life, but what about when the kids are more independent or even start families of their own? How cool would it have been if Violet married a non-superhero guy and her kid didn’t inherit powers? That’s a new dynamic I’d like to see work out. What about Dash going to college and only scraping by on sports scholarships and waking up a literal minute before all his classes, speeding to each one, rushing through everything, and still feeling like he’s failing? Jack Jack was a huge question mark in the first movie, and I would have loved to see who he would’ve turned out to be as the last teen in the house with his aging parents. Jack Jack could’ve gone through a similar arc that Violet went through in the first film as he tries to figure out his powers, but it wouldn’t have felt cheap, because he was a literal BABY when the first movie happened. He didn’t have the adventure. And maybe part of his arc could also mirror some of what his dad went through in the first movie. Feeling left out from the family lore and maybe also kept from new adventures because “he isn’t ready yet”, Jack Jack sneaks off to do under the table superhero stuff to prove himself. As the youngest sibling in my family, I’ve felt the same emotions, just in a non-super way, and younger me would have loved to have seen this type of inner conflict represented in Jack Jack. Lastly, don’t even get me STARTED on how EASY the elderly Helen and Bob jokes could’ve been to make. If the drama with the kids ever gets too much, you could cut to Bob woefully remarking on how pitiful it is that he can’t lift trains anymore and has to settle for just dead lifting the family minivans. You could cut to Helen doing yoga to stay limber, and her stretches are taking up the entire lawn. Aside from funny stuff, they’d also have to wrestle with the fact that soon, they’ll be empty nesters. It’d be so cute and funny to see the Incredibles trying to schedule their heists and their super villain fights around Violet’s husband’s work party, Dash’s mid-terms and Jack Jack’s promposal. Because at the end of the day, that’s what the Incredibles are about. It’s about real family conflicts and victories exaggerated with the gimmick of superpowers. The fact that we don’t like the second movie, I think, is because it switched the main conflict away from the family conflict and onto boring superhero conflicts. Ugh… such a missed opportunity.
It was one of my favourite of the Pixar films when I was young, along with Finding Nemo and the first two Cars films. I didn’t realise how dark it was until later on, so it didn’t stop me enjoying it.
Same, I was a 4 year old kid in the cinema, and had my 5th birthday to be themed on the Incredibles as an adult today at 26 years old, I can appreciate the movie much better, than as a kid who just enjoyed colorful animation on screen
They're a slight shuffling of the Fantastic Four, which did the exact same thing with their characters. In fact, the Incredibles was lazy with the metaphor, because in F4, Mrs Fantastic had to grow as a character to earn her force field powers, while Violet had them for no reason.
Corporate: I'm sorry, how does this scene help improve the marketability for that baby? Get rid of it and throw in some baby shenanigans instead. The number crunchers tell us that if we focus in on the cuteness of the baby we can sell more product of it.
25:25 I think something that you might have missed, was it not only can be interpreted that Helen thought his life was in danger, but that she believed he was having an affair with another woman. The montage scene of him working out getting in shape and overall becoming a happier person and loving husband/father, was perceived by Helen that he was seeing someone else that fulfilled him more when she finds out he's been lying later on, even finding a hair on his clothing. As a kid that kind of stuff can go over your head especially with how subtly they play the idea in the movie, if it was today I think they'd treat the audience like we are stupid and literally say it to us, or just not even entertain that concept in a "kids movie"
Even as a kid, I understood that the ending wasn't setting up for a sequel, but rather that it showed that their lives as super heroes go on beyond the movie.
Have a time skip where the kids are trying to be heroes on their own. Have the family drama of the kids having different conflicting ideals, too high of expectations from Dad etc Or get real bold and make on of the siblings to choose villainy. Either would've been better than what we got
The first paragraph was literally Brad Bird's original script when the movie was supposed to come out in the early 2010s but Disney did the same BS they did with the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy: make a kiddy MCU ripoff that completely ignores the plot of the predecessor and destroys all of the legacy characters
Imagine a 5-10 year old Jack-Jack getting so cocky with his powers that he becomes a villain. Like a PG Brightburn. And then at the end of course, he gets humbled and rejoins the family.
16:22 The reason you (and some of us including me) see the new designs of all old characters worse in this movie is because when the Increbles was being made, the design team and brad bird were limited by the technology at the time, and put effort into making the characters extremely stylised and sharp, all following geometrically satifying shapes to make them look unique and not not fall into toy story 1 uncannyness. The second movie makes it feel like the designers ignored all of that and just made them look all as "realistic" as possible, ignoring the design shapes and geometry that gave increbles 1 its signature look and style. Essentially just rounding out everything, losing all the design features that made the characters appealing to begin with
Limitations drive creativity. All animation has gotten worse as technology has gotten better. Yes if you pump enough effort and money into something you can end up with the Spiderverse movies or something on that level. But overall on average 80s and 90s anime just looks better imo.
Mr incredible was so smart in the first film, he defeated ai, he managed to cleverly infiltrate syndromes base always used the element of surprise on his enemies avoided detection by advanced technologies, and all sorts. In the sequel he doesn't understand that the the phrase elephant in the room, is just that a phrase, whenever someone argues with him he just bumbles over his words despite the fact that in the first film he was perfectly good at verbal sparring, when he fights in the climax he telegraphs his movements, and at the start of the film he loudly announces his presence to the underminer. I LOVE IT WHEN CHARACTERS WHO ARE KNOWN TO BE SMART ACT STUPID IN MY STORIES LOVE IT.
The current year (8 years ago) isn't allowed to have a positive father role figure after their personal development in the first film. Stupid fathers are enforced from now on.
@splicedbread which is a shame because, having Helen as a main lead, offers a fresh perspective and could’ve been explored properly without making him stupid so she can appear superior. at least when family guy does this, its supposed to be satirical
Ikr, I swear did the writer make this all bad on purpose?? If it’s the same writer, I wouldn’t be surprised, though yet again he may have been forced into things from Disney
The home invasion sequence is so stupid. And there's such an easy fix too! Have Evelyn's parents die in a public super villain attack. That's why her dad was so sure Mr. Incredible would still come and save the day. Because he taught both of his children that heroes would always do the right thing regardless of the personal cost to themselves. And that ban would never stop them from helping. But it did. Her parents died, still waiting for a hero to save them. And while Evelyn is bitter, she reluctantly accepts that all heroes went underground due to the law changes. That is, of course, until the Incredibles, Mr. Incredible, comes out of hiding. And she's not happy about it. She's mad. The bitterness swells again. Because why did Mr.Incredible suddenly think it was worth it to come out now and not for his old friend? The one who helped campaigned for heroes back in the day. Evelyn is supposed to be a hacker and super smart. So have her hack into Syndrome's old files. Imagine her rage when she finds out Bob didn't become Mr. Incredible again because he wanted to help people. He did it out of ego. Everything about what her dad told her about heroes would seem like a lie. To her, her parents died not because of respecting the laws, but because Bob didn't see it as glamorous enough. So it wasn't worth the risk. That infuriates Evelyn. Instead of superheroes still being illegal in the sequel, have it be in an in-between. The court of public opinion is changing and law enforcement are starting to let heroes assist, but no law has been officialized yet. This is where Evelyn comes in. She doesn't want heroes to come back because she doesn't want to fuel their egos. And she's been helping make gear to help law enforcement stop the occasional super villain. Though those were starting to get rare. Heroes coming back means people regress into letting a select few handle problems. So she works in the background to help remind the people exactly why heroes were outlawed to begin with. Excessive property damage. Acting as if they're morally right. No real checks and balances. Their very existence inviting villains to rise and challenge them. She makes sure that the Incredibles missions always go badly. Heck, we can have her hire villains to increase damages. I'm not sure, I just want the Screenslaver to be a real villain. EDIT! I just thought of this, but I think I have a solid reason why Bob didn't go and help. As soon as he saw what was happening on the news, Bob wanted to go. Not because this would be a good chance to put heroes back in a good light, but because innocent people were going to die. Because his friend Mr. Dever was one of the hostages. But Bob was actually on one of his last strikes. He's been one of the last heroes resistant to the ban. But Agent Rick made it clear that if Bob stepped out of line again, he wouldn't be able to shield him from the consequences this time. Bob would be going to federal prison. Helen and Bob are going back and forth at this point with Helen physically blocking Bob from leaving the house. When Helen reminds Bob of what Rick said and implores him to let law enforcement handle it, Bob says he doesn't care. He's not gonna sit by and watch innocent people get hurt when he can do something about it. Helen goes still and then asks if he would sit by and watch his family go on without him. Bob asks what she means, and Helen reveals that she's pregnant. Bob is in disbelief. Helen then gives somewhat of an ultimatum. Saying that this is bigger than them now. They're about to have a family, and for her, hero life won't be more important than that. Bob goes to grab her shoulders and says that a family with Helen is the most important thing to him. Helen just asks, "is it?" Bob filters through several emotions. Joy of the pregnancy, apprehension for the future mixed with excitement, grief of what he's giving up, anger on why he has too, before settling on determination of a choice made. Helen let's him go through all of it. Bob let's go of Helen and turns away. But he doesn't go for the door. He walks to the table, grab the tv remote, and shuts off rhe news. Then he tells Helen firmly that his family will always be his priority. I'm thinking Helen could tell this story to Evelyn after Evelyn captures Bob and plans to kill him. Something along the lines of, "if you want to hate someone and punish someone, punish me," because she's the one who told Bob not to go. Low-key might rewrite this whole movie at this point.
Damn, this is very compelling. Good stuff, I especially like the part with hacking to Syndrom's files, because it both reinforces her worldview, and is a good callback to the original, and this is something, that just doesn't exist in the sequel.
@great2831 It’s actually set for summer 2028! Brad Bird I think will only be executive producer though, it’ll be Peter sohn who’s directing it - the guy who directed The Good Dinosaur and Elemental. He also voiced Emile in Ratatouille and Squishy in Monsters University. He’s been part of Pixar for a long time, but his directing record is a little to be desired imo 😬. There hasn’t been any plot details yet, but Holly Hunter said they’re about to start voice work in the spring.
@i@imnotsqiddymeant “only” in a sense that all the fans of the original felt it it was FOREVER since the first movie when the sequel came out, but it was only 14 years. I’d imagine a lot of us feel like the sequel was still recent, not almost already at the age the first movie was when it released.
Parents: But what about my 4 year old watching the movie??? Director: Skill issue Also the Jack Jack short film in the original is already so much better than the sequel
Bob losing a FISTFIGHT to the Underminer in the first 5 minutes was the biggest tell this film was not up to parr (bad pun) with the first. Bob, the guy who sent the Omnidroid further than a football field with ONE PUNCH lost a FISTFIGHT with the UNDERMINER.
it makes sense, I2 was a dialogue on feminism.... they HAD to make Bob weak and bad, the weak-bad-modern-man trope needed to be applied to deconstruct him better.
@DavidSmith-cr7mb shouldn't they have had bob be exactly the big strong man that he thinks he needs to be so that they can show that wasnt the soltion he thought it was? Instead, it was basically the exact opposite of the feminist solution. "See your problem was that you got out muscled. You should have been stronger and that would have protected your family and city."
A prequel would've actually been much better for this movie. We could've gotten to see all the superheroes in their prime and the Incredibles could've been part of a superhero organization, an organization thats worried about the government banning them so they are trying to show the world how good they
@dtxspeaks268 All I ever wanted from the sequel was the kids to be aged up. Because there are so many ways to show how their views on having powers and maybe becoming a hero could change from the stress and commitments that are now pressured from the general public.
The scene with the Underminer was so perfect in NOT being a cliffhanger but rather a vehicle to represent character growth at the end of the movie that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 basically copied it with the rhinoceros
I watched it as a kid and understood he was trying to kill himself. Like even my parents explained that. Idk why it never felt too adult for me to understand.
@Yon-k2b Yeah i don't get why some people say that the movie is "too mature" or "dark" for kids. Mate, kids dont care as long as you dont show gore or something. Heck I'm SURE i came up with darker stuff as a kid than some R rated movies
2:00 I honestly disagree with his idea that it's not for kids, most kids will still love it, they'll relate to dash or violent and they'll enjoy hearing the story. It's just that they won't appreciate the nucance of it until they're parents themselves decades later.
Also the "we are evil" speech wouldve been so much more effective if it was "we staged all the incidents where we saved the day. The train, the helicopters, screen slaver's capture. All an act. Heck I still have drinks with Bomb Voyage on the weekend." especially since it's true that evelyn staged them.
21:31 or why not make both Bob and Helen knew Evelyn's father? And when he tried to call both of them, Bob wanted to attend the calls both were getting on their respective phones but Helen, who's stick to follow the law, she told Bob they should ignore the call and let the authorities take care of whatever the problem was. That would make Evelyn have a more personal grudge torwards Helen, making her start to question if blindly following the rules was right in the first place
@jmann6368 syndromes foundation was more jealousy. He wanted to be a hero but didnt have what other heroes did. So, he aimed to make the public see him as one.
I thought the incredibles 2 would’ve been about society slowly accepting supers and the government making them legal again but there’s a new group of young heroes who push out the old guard and even blames heroes like Mr. Incredible and others for their failures that made supers illegal in the first place and they take a new effective, efficient, and cold approach to heroism that seems to deviate away from Bob’s vision of what a hero is. I thought that would’ve been a better story.
Rather than focusing on Helen, the sequel could’ve had started a few years ahead and focused on Dash and Violet being indoctrinated by the new wave of heroes and slowly rebelling against their parents. Bob and Parr’s relationship largely focuses on their marriage problems and trust issues in the first film; naturally, the second can focus on parents struggling in their relationship with their rebellious teenage children. It would’ve been an organic evolution of the family themes in the first film
There was already a follow up to the ending of the first called Rise of the Underminer that was Canon before Disney decononized it. Brad Bird considered it Canon when he wrote his original script for the sequel
Ok 1. It was never a cliffhanger, it was just a means of closure, showing that the family is fighting supervillains together now, to highlight the kids becoming heroes and the parents being brought back together in ideals again. And second, Rise of the Underminer is a 3D beat ‘em up with practically zero story. It would barely pass for a stand-alone cartoon episode, let alone a movie sequel.
@emblemblade9245 ROTU was a good story and the best follow up to the first movie. You're literally trashing a game that meant to follow up on the movie alongside the comics and the original sequel plans. Brad Bird considered it canon in his original script. A lot of you Disney shills like the fake canon and hate the good canon.
@emblemblade9245 ROTU was a good story and the best follow up to the first movie. You're literally trashing a game that meant to follow up on the movie alongside the comics and the original sequel plans. Brad Bird considered it canon in his original script. A lot of you Disney shills like the fake canon and hate the good canon.
5:56 if that was a cliffhanger that is one cliffhanger that never bothered me. The Incredibles was a perfect movie. I have never heard anyone who has ever asked for a sequel.
I haven't thought about Incredibles 2 in years, but I was instantly taken back to the feeling of disappointment I had leaving the theaters when you reminded me it even exists.
The sad thing about this movie is that the fight for superhero legality in the wake of the really good PR moment from the end of the first movie would have been a really interesting plot device, that sounds like a great movie. There was no reason to revert the teamwork, they could have just had Helen's PR stuff act as the wedge on its own, causing new conflict without overwriting the original.
what I really wanted from an Incredibles 2 was a time skip of some kind. provide new scenarios for the family to go through! Maybe Violet's engaged, maybe Dash is starting college, maybe we actually get to meet Jack Jack (who probably just wants to go by Jack these days, but maybe his family always calls him Jack Jack and that bothers him idk). but yea, like you said, we just got the same character arcs, the same story for them all to go through again. Doesn't make much sense... We could still have new supers, but it's like a new generation of supers. Maybe like a 10 year time skip idk. It's frustrating
I don't think it would be impossible to "age up" the kids' power. Violet's barrier powers could get the emphasis to represent an unwillingness to allow people in her life close to her. Dash's super speed could transition into a symbol for his unwillingness to commit to obligations, "running" from commitment so to speak. The film could focus on an adolescent Jack Jack whose powers being in flux represents perhaps burgeoning identity issues he's having going into puberty. Just spitballing.
You don't know how pissed I was when I saw that they were just repeating the plot from the first movie, only having Elasti-Girl reliving *her* glory days and Bob was taking care of the kids. I was wanting to see the family fighting as a team for the entire movie, as was implied by the end of the last one! It's kinda crazy because it's actually been awhile since I've watched a Pixar movie in the theater. I think "Up" was the last one they made that I was interested in. Don't even get me started on that "it's for kids" bullplop! I don't know how many times The Wife and I argued over movies for the kids. She'd always ask, "Can't you just watch something for the kids?", and I would always answer, "If they can't entertain everyone, they don't deserve my money!"
2:15 that is what used to make Pixar movies so great; they had something to offer for every age group. You can rewatch these movies years later and find a lot of subtext and themes aimed towards the parents watching with their kids.
2:30 Putting a scene of Wish up after all of those Incredibles scenes actually gave me a bit of whiplash, holy moly the art direction is that much worse to me.
I think their powers can fit other archetypes as adults. Dash could be rushing through life, trying to get certain milestones while missing out on human connections. This would actually be quite relevant with the modern "always grinding" mentality that a lot influencers are pushing on young boys and men. Violet coul then be the opposite, trying to find stability as her priority, not necesseraly denouncing hero work, but maybe there could be some worldbuilding and make something like hero agencies (thanks mha) that pay considerable less but have a better stream of jobs. Jack jack would then be about his potential. The fact that he is the most op of the bunch but doesn't want to be a hero could be a fun idea. Add a pinch of "living in my parents shadow" drama, and you can have a cohesive time skip that retains their deveolpments from the first one.
that bit about jack jack reminds me of Dragon Ball Z and how Goku's kids get increasingly strong but also less motivated about fighting. Seeing Gohan go to high school and getting a regular job (and getting his own family) was real novel.
I think you could pretty easily age up the characters and still have their powers make sense. Violet is now a young mom, she uses her forcefields way more, maybe too much, because of how protective she is of her baby. Dash is in college and stressed about tests and his part time job, so hes always moving fast so he can feel like hes getting everything he wants to done. Helen is home with only bob and Jack jack, so she gets stiff after not having to stretch herself as thin. And Bob is doing really well as a hero so he ends up being too strong for his own good and hurts people around him and has to learn how to briddle his strength. Then jack jack is in high-school, taking so many classes and doing so many extra curriculars, and that makes reflects in him trying to use his powers all together rather than focusing on one or two to train and get good at using
Holly Hunter going out of her way to spend time with real pilots learning the proper codes and callouts for the flight to the island was more effort than the entire second movie put into it's characters.
They really should’ve had the characters age in real time for the sequel. I think it would’ve been interesting if there was a 14 year Timeskip where now Violet and Dash are adults who either have their own families or are in the process of starting their own families. They would be in their 20s by the time of the sequel. Funnily enough Incredibles 2 fell into the same trap as Marvel and DC where they reset everything back to the Status Quo despite all the development the characters went through. Marvel and DC would write a plot like Incredibles 2 where they retcon the original in order to make a sequel.
I feel like a lot of sequels make this same mistake. They "correct" the main character flaws in the first installment, and when it's time to write a sequel, they can't figure out a new problem the "fixed" character dynamic might have. So they just regress the characters back to where they were at the very beginning, attempting to repeat the same character growth.
The roboglasses could have imbedded themselves into supers,so it could have been a lot scarier and harder to thwart. Actual consequences instead of random things
My question is, who the hell gave the little girl that "The ScreenSlaver is still out there sign." that Helen sees in that one scene. Did her mom make that for her or something?
That scene always irked me. I always assumed it was the mother, but why would she make it? Was it something done by the Screenslaver or creepy coincidence? The film never answered the question either.
@lewstherintelamon244 I think the idea of Evelyn taking the time out of her probably busy schedule to make the sign, give it to a little girl that she probably doesn't know or worse yet one she hired all in the hope that Helen sees it and doubt herself for all of a moment is so funny. It's honestly the kind of obsession I wish they leaned more into instead of the 'We don't know each other' angle. Like imagine instead of hating supers, Evelyn was instead just so singularly obsessed with Elastigirl that she just wanted to give her a supervillain she deemed worthy of her pedigree. Someone not physically imposing but mentally, someone clever that she had to figure out the mystery of. It would be kind of a twist on Syndrome's own previous toxic fandom, this time the villian is too much of a fan. So much so she's willing to hurt the innocent just to give Elastigirl a chance in the spotlight and something to fight.
Yes! I love this idea. Like, instead of wanting supers to be illegal, she actually wants them to be legal and is helping towards that goal, but her obsession for caused her to take things too far and when Elastigirl finds out and tells her to stop, she goes true supervillain while believing she's helping supers.
The girl also can't be hypnotised, no screen or goggles, so is she perfectly ok with that sign? This made no sense and I feel like it isn't brought up enough.
that little anecdote there is more interesting to me than all of incredibles 2. give me a queer prequel spin-off of the incredibles with thunderhead instead!! that would be peak
@Katetengen Only by account of not ruining the reputation of a great film I'm still gonna trash the film for being a colossal waste of productivity and rushing which screwed over Incredibles 2's development
Apparently that movie, like Elio, had a massive script rewrite in the middle of production where the plot was dumbed down. The artstyle feels uncanny having saturated cartoon characters with a hyper realistic background. And also, humans wouldn’t exist at all if dinosaurs survived. No rise of mammals. The croods is way better…
It's a crime that they deleted an opening scene for Incredibles 2, which discussed Bob's friendships with the heroes who Syndrome murdered, particularly Simon as well as Jack.
>be me >23 yo >try to buy a ticket for Incredibles 2 >cashier asks "okay ma'am, you and how many children? 😊" >"uh... just me?" >everyone gasps and looks back to me >cashier gives me the most uncanny glare I've ever seen >sirens start glaring >theather locks down >Swat teams start rapelling down the ceiling >surrounded and pointed at by arm guards >"MA'AM YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE THIS BY YOURSELF, THIS MOVIE IS ANIMATED, IT'S FOR KIDS" >they shoot me down in cold blood >cashier spits on my body >last thing I see before I go is a jack jack plushie thrown at me by a 4 year old >his dad looks nervous anf horrified >"HONEY CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS LOSER?!", says his wife >"y-yeah..."
They even break down Bob's character in the second film by making him petty and childish about not getting to go on to be the hero representative. The first movie genuinely leaves me with the impression he'd say, when faced with the situation of the second film, "Go on, honey. I'll watch the kids and you kick some butt." But instead he whines that it's not him getting to go, and then goes on an arc that "being a daddy is haaard" and sucks at raising his kids and that's the whole bit before getting brainwashed. It's dumb.
That's like a male lion getting jealous that he doesn't get to hunt a zebra, antelope, or wildebeest, even though the cubs need his protection from predators, like hyenas, wild dogs, leopards, etc
What I find funny is that you said the sequel felt like it was more geared towards kids yet it had the words damn and hell. I don’t know why, of all things, that stuck with me all these years, but it did.
7:58 “our characters arcs are completed” brother two of them are children. There is infinitely more to develop with these characters. Just because a horrible company isn’t capable of of putting out a great sequel doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be a sequel at all. This movie could’ve/ should’ve/ and would’ve had a great sequel if things were different
"bomb voyage and buddy had the same likelihood of returning later in the story" bruh reread your script, this line is immediately by the sentences after it
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What are the odds that Incredibles 3 will be any better than this one?
Is one confirmed?
@SiyamthandaQwabe-or7er Yeah it's in the works, unfortunately.
@TopPostTv99lolllllll we’ll see how bad it is
The only way Incredibles 3 can be any worse is if they introduce Incredible Gassy
Especially now that the latest full trailer of Toy Story 5 released, it wants to try and fix the damage Toy Story 4 did to the characters while it’ll also just be recycling plots from the original trilogy, and making them nonsensically worse… This is like SW ROS trying to fix the irreparable damage done in TLJ, but only ended up making things worse…
eight years.... Oh my gosh
It’s been 8 years since a movie I waited my whole childhood for released… we’re old
Truueee
It only gets worse from here🙃 the first time an album you remember releasing turns 20 is a trip.
Time flys then you die
Yeah it goes faster, buckle up make it count. Any fake friends ditch now. treasure the real ones.
The original was also more of a spy movie rather than a super hero movie. Which explains the more mature themes and darker tone.
This!
You beat me to it. It has more in common with 60's Bond movies than 60's superheroes.
Never realized this but I agree with it
Cap, massive cap
Lol what? Not true, it def is a superhero movie more than a spy one
Brad Bird: How can I make a sequel? I had a story to tell with the Parr family, and I told it. I don't have another story to tell.
Executives: Then tell it again.
Ironically this could have worked. BUT NOT WITH THE SAME FKING FAMILY WHAT THE HELL
I'm seriously disappointed in Bird. A director of his caliber, given all that time and *this* is what he came up with?
@CST1992 That’s not Brad’s fault. This is to blame the Disney executives for cutting out an entire year of production in favor of Toy Story 4, so The Incredibles 2 instead got pulled to be released a year early, which was an error on their part because that didn’t give Brad Bird enough time to complete it the way he wanted. So this goes to show that even if you have the same talented directors that made the original movie, that doesn’t mean it’ll stop executives from screwing up the creative visions of said directors and producers…
There is no Incredibles 2
There is no Megamind 2
There is no Queen of England
- Titan
Tightan*
According to IMDB the character's name is Tighten.
@funkydiscogod ofc it is 💀
There are no 2 towers
And there is no war in basing si
Unironically the biggest and only cultural impact The Incredibles 2 ever had was the "Mr Incredible uncanny" meme and that's it.
Sometimes, there is SOME good in overall bad things.
Like this meme, for example.
That doesn’t stop them from being bad, though.
Don’t forget the “math is math” meme
And the Violet nose-spit meme
@Mattrattmattratt Nah, that one was meme bait. Math is math and uncanny mr incredible are legit tho
Incredible 2 is like an 8 and 1 is a 10
I'm so sick of the hidden villain trope that modern Disney and Pixar keep repeating.
Cof cof Pawbert
@DAVIDALBERTOMEJIACABRERA exception to rule, most of the plot twist villains are still sucky
King Candy was, and always will be, the best twist villain ever made. So many twist villains suck because you only get to see them _as a villain_ during the final act. King Candy is a bad guy throughout the entire film, with the twist being about who he actually is.
@DAVIDALBERTOMEJIACABRERA He's not as bad I feel. Because you're immediately like "oh he's evil" then when he comes back and is helping and seems really genuine you think you were wrong, only for him to turn out to be evil all along. Plus the added fact that his family also didn't know he was going to double-cross Judy.
@Mothbeanagreed, wreck it Ralph did it best. Which is sad that it also has a disappointingly bad sequel
"fortnite characters" is an elite insult
The characters were so dumb
@Midnight112-n7n I believe that was the point
@Quraaann.boomboom You think the creators wanted those characters to be seen as dumb?
*B R I C K*
I know right?
the "math is math" joke is all i remember from this movie
And Jack-Jack fighting the Raccoon.
@AFanOfCinema nope, i forgot about that too until you mentioned it
I liked the parts like that, but it did feel hollow, even if it had charm.
Went into my vocabulary, other than that I couldn’t tell you what happened in detail
Dash running across the water > incredibles 2
@VOLDGAMER-m7d5eI’m still struggling to remember it
Screenslaver infuriated me because it’s the 60’s, who has more than two tvs in their house let alone screens everywhere they go?
I’m embarrassed that I never picked up on that until this comment lol
@coltonphibbs1390the movie wanted to be right after but also didn’t want to acknowledge when that time period would be. Just a travesty of a film fr
I've only seen this movie once, but when I did I completely forgot that it was set in the 60s. Everything about it feels modern.
@seanrrrthey didn’t stop to think about anything other than, we’re gonna make money making a sequel
Tech is clearly different in-universe. In the first film Bob is working with a clearly 80s-style computer, they have video cameras, VHS, and the Parr family have multiple tv's in their home.
@KennyHavoc
I realized that the second movie has a lower body count and overall less violence than the first movie.
One of the dumbest things in the sequel to me is when Helen shoots a flare gun at Evelyn's oxygen tank deliberately and that creates a massive explosion that rips metal and shoots Evelyn out the plane and somehow Evelyn with no real powers survives that, and Helen tries to save Evelyn after that as if she didn't deliberately try to kill her.
It feels like many modern movies lean heavily into themes and tones that I would describe as more emotionally driven or “feminized,” and as a result, they sometimes lack the grit, toughness, or traditionally masculine energy that older films often had. There also seems to be a strong push toward particular social perspectives, including LGBTQ+ representation, which can make some films feel agenda-driven rather than purely story-focused. Because of that, it can feel harder to find movies that prioritize strong storytelling, complex characters, and organic themes over messaging.
Basically broke the fire rule about sequels. Bigger, better, bolder. And it could have been done here in The Incredibles 2.
Syndrome killed so many people, and was quick to do it. Screenslaver didn’t kill anyone and let a lot of characters live when she’d benefit from killing then despite not caring about them.
I remember thinking the sequel was feeling weirdly toothless while watching it in theaters, but then the climax happened and it all crystalized. If it'd happened in the first movie, Evelyn getting shot in the chest with a flare while wearing an oxygen system and going through a plane's windshield would've absolutely killed her. Might have even had a grim gag of burning chunks of her raining down around the family.
Real fans know that Rise of the Underminer for Xbox and Ps2 is the true sequel to the first movie
Is it any different from the GCN version?
This mfer knows Ball
@jimmygarza8896 Well, the GBA version is VERY different from the console games.
@SparkpadArtGCN, not GBA.
@jimmygarza8896I know, but the handheld games are worth mentioning too.
they should've made a prequel instead of a second movie, that would've been nice
Incredibles 2 honestly feels like a direct to DVD sequel rather than a big budget sequel to the classic Brad Bird flick.
direct to dvd sounds like such an archaic term for something that was a normal thing less than two decades ago
@randomannoyance Maybe it's because you don't really see people watching movies on dvd as much as in the 2000's anymore.
@randomannoyancedirect to streaming movie, kinda like a Disney plus film if you want
to me it felt like an extended episode of a hypothetical The Incredibles series. The stakes were so low...
Yeah it has similar vibes to the disney princess movie sequels that disney liked to churn out in the 2000s tbh
“It’s made for kids” is the most infuriating defense on planet Earth
@TylerBR97 as though kids are retarded or deserve stupid entertainment and are stupid themselves, newsflash kids aren't stupid lmao they are fucking far more clever and can follow along far more than most anyone thinks unless ofc you have kids
So yeah absolutely spot on dude it's the worst excuse, how much adult stuff do kids watch because they can follow along and love it and it's certainly not made for kids, Marvel isn't made for kids per sé and they can follow along with a gazillion movies lol saying they don't deserve well crafted entertainment is insulting
Exactly it doesnt excuse lazy writing. Kids arent stupid
Me(Remembers the first one): "So...whats the excuse now?"
Seriously. Number one is one of the best twist villain reveals I've ever seen done. It's the right level of dark and adult. A LOT of supers murdered to make the Omnidroid doesn't feel like a kids movie. The hints at Bob cheating(when its just him going to do superhero things)as well as the midlife crisis is NOT a kids movie. Helen telling her kids that the soldiers on Nomanisan will murder them if they get a chance...it just was so much better.
I know Syndrome is not a slow burn like Waternoose or Ernesto De La Cruz, but its, again, a great twist. Buddy is not what I was expecting to be the main villain, but the fact that he's a brilliant technology expert when he's a child leads up to the reveal on the Omnidroid. It feels like they tried to make us overall forget that Syndrome...happened in 2. They don't really talk about him or the effect he had on the supers at all(seriously, dozens, at least what we see, killed off to perfect the Omnidroid). There's a deleted scene(in concept, but unfinished)that has a memorial for Gazerbeam. With so many supers destroyed, it would make it interesting and heartwarming to see that there were some remaining in the scene where Helen meets the new supers(Voyd, Screech, Brick, etc;) But it overall seemed brushed over.
It’s especially infuriating because good stories matter EVEN more when it’s for kids.
The worst part about it is that it not only belittles children and their ability to understand complex stories, it outright STUNTS their ability to understand complex stories. If you raise your kids on boring, oversimplified nonsense, YOU ARE RAISING A MORON. They NEED to be challenged with more complex ideas that push them to think in creative ways to figure out what's going on. I loved watching movies as a kid BECAUSE it was fun to find the plot lines and little details in order to figure out and predict the story before it happened. Those skills in deduction and reasoning quite literally help me navigate social interactions and understanding REAL peoples' motivations. I can step back and say "Hmmm, maybe they're acting like this because of something else, I should give them some grace." vs. "They were mean so I hate them now." Maybe a bit overexaggerated, but that is quite literally the difference between an adult and a child. Don't treat children like they'll always be immature and stupid. RAISE them into mature, intelligent adults.
Evelyn was such an obvious twist villain that I thought they were going to fake us out and have her secretly be one of the few good people in a world of deception... Nope.
I didn’t see it coming the first time, but her name is “Evil Endeavour” so it was pretty obvious.
@joshslater2426 I thought her brother was gonna be the villain. He seemed shady.
@Aego384 he was set up for the audience to think he was the twist villain lol
My thoughts exactly.
When I first saw the film, I initially reflected to myself, "C'mon, she's too obvious. It's gotta be somebody else, right?"
I thought it would be both Deavor siblings
He’s lying. He must be lying. There is No Way it’s been 8 YEARS!
@fistbump4403
Oh I hear ya. Like it doesn't feel like it's been that long.
And this film is still fun
Does my head in.
This movie was made in the summer, so it’s really only 7 1/2.
OMG IM 26. FUCK I DIDNT DO MY TAXES
8 years ago was 2009: 😌
8 years ago was 2018: 😳
bruh
8 years ago was clearly 2012.
That is the only correct answer.
@mitwhitgaming7722this timeline was completely unnecessary
@moonshinershonor336 Most jokes are unnecessary, but that doesn't mean people should stop telling them 🤷🤷
Sounds about right to me
Im glad im not the only one who saw Evelyn and went "that'll be the villain" immediately
Helen's monologue to Violet and Dash in the first film where she tells them the true danger of the people they're up against is such a great moment that stuck with me as a kid. Hearing adults won't care if you're a kid was great, and films that kids watch rarely treat them like they're not stupid
You forgot to mention the immediate speech after that, Violet runs to her mom before she leaves and Elastigirl in the most healthiest parent way ever apologizes to Violet and tells her that she was wrong to expect Violet to be able to put a shield on the plane that time.
But that doesn’t mean Vi can’t do it, She doubles down that when the time is right She’ll know what to do.
It’s such an earnest conversation it rlly stuck with me
@UltiNullifierrHelen realizes that out of the three, she’s the only one who truly understands her own limits and capabilities. She fought with her powers for years, but dash and violet didn’t get that same chance. She understands that she can’t expect them to fight on the same level that she at first thought they could.
@Man77772and this understanding rlly pays off cuz u get to see how proud she is of Violet after the final house attack from syndrome, they just have a rlly heartwarming relationship displayed nicely it was great.
When my mom, sister, and I were on a road trip and lost, my mom thrust a Rand McNally road map into my hands and asked "OK, where are we?" When I told her I didn't know she yelled "You should know! Read the damn map! They teach you that in school, don't they?" She apologized later and we laughed about the "read the damn map" incident for decades afterward. I think of it when I see the bits with Helen and Violet on the plane. When the pressure is on sometimes a parent forgets to be understanding of their child's limitations and lack of knowledge/competence to perform under pressure.
I think what also helps it stick in your mind is that we aren't just told this, we're shown it. Like, it'd be a LOT less memorable if the bad guys hadn't just blown up their airplane, in front of Bob no less.
Missed The Opportunity Of Saying Frozone Is The 'Cool Uncle' While Describing The Families Dynamic
Omg yes! I never thought of this!!
"Hah, never heard that one before."
- Frozone (The Incredibles; 2005)
oh my god
My thoughts exactly!
they just announced a 3rd movie😭😭
How is that going to work
They should go the Batman Beyond direction with it
Ngl tho, hopefully they do something Brad actually wanted to do for num 3. Focus on the characters. Just do a time skip and tell stories of the kids and kinda ignore what happened in num 2
The worldbuilding is also really weird here becuase it doesnt feel like the same world anymore?
Doesnt feel like a retro-futurist 60s it just feels like 2005
I'm laughing
Tbf, I always felt the first one was early 2000s with just some sixties visual flair. Bob uses a computer at work, VHS recording camera is a small plot point, during the Mirage contacts Mr Incredible for first time scene Bob claims to be watching TV in his room, implying having multiple TVs in a single house which is common for turn of the century, luxurious for sixties. As a kid the movie felt contemporary
You mean 2018?
@Boltscrap this is what I always thought. The Incredibles universe always came across as a dystopia future where average people have typical 90s/early 2000s tech like flip phones and computers and fashion like raglan shirts and button downs but had outdated cars and homes, while the rich had futuristic tech like robots, tablets, hovercraft and jetpacks
The 2nd movie felt more like it took place in 2017-2018 not 2005😂
Basically the main issue with the incredible films is that the first one is E for Everyone and the sequel is K for kids
Don't insult kids like that, they're half the reason why everyone loved the first film
@e-specter20 no they mean literally as in what the film was going for. “E for Everyone” and “K for Kids” are real ratings but for video games instead of movies
@penntopaper9305 God, that's just so... stupid
Umm films don't use ESRB game rating system. E for everyone also includes anyone ages 6 and up, which means most kids. There is no K rating. EC or early childhood was temporarily used. What you meant to say was maybe PG and G.
@JustSomeKittenwithaGun No, they meant to say E and K. I'm sure they're aware of the G/PG/PG-13/R rating scale just as everyone else is. E and K is just a very obvious way of saying The Incredibles was a film that was made for everyone to watch including kids, and The Incredibles 2 was a film that was made for only kids.
I hated that they just undid all of Violet's character development in the sequel.
0:05 Funfact, The Incredibles is preserved in the National Film Registry as one of the films to be preserved in history. Alongside with Toy Story, Wall-e and Shrek.
Cant believe they forgot the unforgettable piece of film history known as Home on the Range (2004)
@heftyordinanceindividual4015What’d you do with uncle slim!?
@heftyordinanceindividual4015 memories man.
Interesting how all the animated films are Pixar save for shrek. Totally no financial incentive there 👀👀👀
High chance that Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and Shrek 2 will probably be added too in the next few years because of how influential both were to pop culture.
Brad Bird said “you want your Incredibles sequel, here’s your fucking Incredibles sequel” and even encoded his belief about people wanting simulated experiences into the movie.
OMG, that makes sense. I thought the same about Matrix Resurrection.
@JonAmorim and I have contempt for them both. Coulda just not made the thing. Instead, they made a crap thing, on purpose.
Well, Brad had a script for his original plans but Disney didnt want that smh
@jeremytitus9519imagine making a near perfect movie and people still bug you for a sequel because they just want more more more. I understand wanting more from the Incredibles universe but people can’t leave well enough alone. Plus Disney is gonna go for the money.
@nikthenerd Doesn't make it any less childish to intentionally sabotage your own franchise.
It’s a shame they didn’t just age up the family like, 10 or 15 years into the future. Like, they already figured out their family dynamic for this phase of their life, but what about when the kids are more independent or even start families of their own? How cool would it have been if Violet married a non-superhero guy and her kid didn’t inherit powers? That’s a new dynamic I’d like to see work out. What about Dash going to college and only scraping by on sports scholarships and waking up a literal minute before all his classes, speeding to each one, rushing through everything, and still feeling like he’s failing? Jack Jack was a huge question mark in the first movie, and I would have loved to see who he would’ve turned out to be as the last teen in the house with his aging parents. Jack Jack could’ve gone through a similar arc that Violet went through in the first film as he tries to figure out his powers, but it wouldn’t have felt cheap, because he was a literal BABY when the first movie happened. He didn’t have the adventure. And maybe part of his arc could also mirror some of what his dad went through in the first movie. Feeling left out from the family lore and maybe also kept from new adventures because “he isn’t ready yet”, Jack Jack sneaks off to do under the table superhero stuff to prove himself. As the youngest sibling in my family, I’ve felt the same emotions, just in a non-super way, and younger me would have loved to have seen this type of inner conflict represented in Jack Jack. Lastly, don’t even get me STARTED on how EASY the elderly Helen and Bob jokes could’ve been to make. If the drama with the kids ever gets too much, you could cut to Bob woefully remarking on how pitiful it is that he can’t lift trains anymore and has to settle for just dead lifting the family minivans. You could cut to Helen doing yoga to stay limber, and her stretches are taking up the entire lawn. Aside from funny stuff, they’d also have to wrestle with the fact that soon, they’ll be empty nesters. It’d be so cute and funny to see the Incredibles trying to schedule their heists and their super villain fights around Violet’s husband’s work party, Dash’s mid-terms and Jack Jack’s promposal. Because at the end of the day, that’s what the Incredibles are about. It’s about real family conflicts and victories exaggerated with the gimmick of superpowers. The fact that we don’t like the second movie, I think, is because it switched the main conflict away from the family conflict and onto boring superhero conflicts. Ugh… such a missed opportunity.
I absolutely hated the character design for the new supers, they just didn't look like they belonged in the same world. I'm glad you mentioned this!
None of the movie feels like its in the same world! Where'd all this high tech stuff come from???? I thought this was the 80s?????
They weren't even human beings. Like one is straight up an owl???
@seanrrr it *could* work, but his design doesn't fit at all with the designs of Supers in the first. Owl guy would be cool as a villain imo
“Not made for 4 year olds”
What’s ironic is that I was 4 years old when my mom took me to see it and I LOVED that movie even then 💀
There is a difference between _Kung Fu Panda_ which can be viewed by 4 year olds
and _Kung Fu Panda 3 and 4_ which can only be viewed by 4 year olds
That's not what ironic means
It was one of my favourite of the Pixar films when I was young, along with Finding Nemo and the first two Cars films. I didn’t realise how dark it was until later on, so it didn’t stop me enjoying it.
Same, I was a 4 year old kid in the cinema, and had my 5th birthday to be themed on the Incredibles
as an adult today at 26 years old, I can appreciate the movie much better, than as a kid who just enjoyed colorful animation on screen
I don’t rly blame Brad bird tbh for years he claimed he had no story to tell then told no story for millions of dollars he told the truth and got paid
0:58 How did I never notice that their powers are actually metaphors for who they are
You're right, this movie keeps aging better and better
Good writing.
literally. such a good movie
They're a slight shuffling of the Fantastic Four, which did the exact same thing with their characters. In fact, the Incredibles was lazy with the metaphor, because in F4, Mrs Fantastic had to grow as a character to earn her force field powers, while Violet had them for no reason.
He’s just making stuff up. They’re not metaphors
i still can't believe they cut the gazerbeam scene from incredibles 2
Same, like wtf were they smoking on?
Corporate: I'm sorry, how does this scene help improve the marketability for that baby? Get rid of it and throw in some baby shenanigans instead. The number crunchers tell us that if we focus in on the cuteness of the baby we can sell more product of it.
25:25 I think something that you might have missed, was it not only can be interpreted that Helen thought his life was in danger, but that she believed he was having an affair with another woman. The montage scene of him working out getting in shape and overall becoming a happier person and loving husband/father, was perceived by Helen that he was seeing someone else that fulfilled him more when she finds out he's been lying later on, even finding a hair on his clothing. As a kid that kind of stuff can go over your head especially with how subtly they play the idea in the movie, if it was today I think they'd treat the audience like we are stupid and literally say it to us, or just not even entertain that concept in a "kids movie"
Even as a kid, I understood that the ending wasn't setting up for a sequel, but rather that it showed that their lives as super heroes go on beyond the movie.
Have a time skip where the kids are trying to be heroes on their own. Have the family drama of the kids having different conflicting ideals, too high of expectations from Dad etc
Or get real bold and make on of the siblings to choose villainy. Either would've been better than what we got
The first paragraph was literally Brad Bird's original script when the movie was supposed to come out in the early 2010s but Disney did the same BS they did with the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy: make a kiddy MCU ripoff that completely ignores the plot of the predecessor and destroys all of the legacy characters
This. Yes.
Imagine a 5-10 year old Jack-Jack getting so cocky with his powers that he becomes a villain. Like a PG Brightburn. And then at the end of course, he gets humbled and rejoins the family.
That would have made better sense. Craig T Nelson and Holly Hunter sounded 14 years older because it WAS 14 years between the two films.
@fishjones4618 Sarah Vowell also sounded older too
16:22 The reason you (and some of us including me) see the new designs of all old characters worse in this movie is because when the Increbles was being made, the design team and brad bird were limited by the technology at the time, and put effort into making the characters extremely stylised and sharp, all following geometrically satifying shapes to make them look unique and not not fall into toy story 1 uncannyness.
The second movie makes it feel like the designers ignored all of that and just made them look all as "realistic" as possible, ignoring the design shapes and geometry that gave increbles 1 its signature look and style. Essentially just rounding out everything, losing all the design features that made the characters appealing to begin with
The new characters dont even look human in incredibles 2. They look like monsters.
Limitations drive creativity. All animation has gotten worse as technology has gotten better. Yes if you pump enough effort and money into something you can end up with the Spiderverse movies or something on that level. But overall on average 80s and 90s anime just looks better imo.
Mr incredible was so smart in the first film, he defeated ai, he managed to cleverly infiltrate syndromes base always used the element of surprise on his enemies avoided detection by advanced technologies, and all sorts.
In the sequel he doesn't understand that the the phrase elephant in the room, is just that a phrase, whenever someone argues with him he just bumbles over his words despite the fact that in the first film he was perfectly good at verbal sparring, when he fights in the climax he telegraphs his movements, and at the start of the film he loudly announces his presence to the underminer.
I LOVE IT WHEN CHARACTERS WHO ARE KNOWN TO BE SMART ACT STUPID IN MY STORIES LOVE IT.
He also didn't know what combustion meant, referring to Jack Jack's fire powers.
Flanderized before we even really got to see him in his prime
The current year (8 years ago) isn't allowed to have a positive father role figure after their personal development in the first film.
Stupid fathers are enforced from now on.
@splicedbread which is a shame because, having Helen as a main lead, offers a fresh perspective and could’ve been explored properly without making him stupid so she can appear superior. at least when family guy does this, its supposed to be satirical
Ikr, I swear did the writer make this all bad on purpose??
If it’s the same writer, I wouldn’t be surprised, though yet again he may have been forced into things from Disney
The home invasion sequence is so stupid. And there's such an easy fix too! Have Evelyn's parents die in a public super villain attack. That's why her dad was so sure Mr. Incredible would still come and save the day. Because he taught both of his children that heroes would always do the right thing regardless of the personal cost to themselves. And that ban would never stop them from helping.
But it did.
Her parents died, still waiting for a hero to save them. And while Evelyn is bitter, she reluctantly accepts that all heroes went underground due to the law changes.
That is, of course, until the Incredibles, Mr. Incredible, comes out of hiding. And she's not happy about it. She's mad. The bitterness swells again. Because why did Mr.Incredible suddenly think it was worth it to come out now and not for his old friend? The one who helped campaigned for heroes back in the day.
Evelyn is supposed to be a hacker and super smart. So have her hack into Syndrome's old files. Imagine her rage when she finds out Bob didn't become Mr. Incredible again because he wanted to help people. He did it out of ego. Everything about what her dad told her about heroes would seem like a lie. To her, her parents died not because of respecting the laws, but because Bob didn't see it as glamorous enough. So it wasn't worth the risk.
That infuriates Evelyn. Instead of superheroes still being illegal in the sequel, have it be in an in-between. The court of public opinion is changing and law enforcement are starting to let heroes assist, but no law has been officialized yet.
This is where Evelyn comes in. She doesn't want heroes to come back because she doesn't want to fuel their egos. And she's been helping make gear to help law enforcement stop the occasional super villain. Though those were starting to get rare. Heroes coming back means people regress into letting a select few handle problems.
So she works in the background to help remind the people exactly why heroes were outlawed to begin with. Excessive property damage. Acting as if they're morally right. No real checks and balances. Their very existence inviting villains to rise and challenge them.
She makes sure that the Incredibles missions always go badly. Heck, we can have her hire villains to increase damages. I'm not sure, I just want the Screenslaver to be a real villain.
EDIT!
I just thought of this, but I think I have a solid reason why Bob didn't go and help. As soon as he saw what was happening on the news, Bob wanted to go. Not because this would be a good chance to put heroes back in a good light, but because innocent people were going to die. Because his friend Mr. Dever was one of the hostages.
But Bob was actually on one of his last strikes. He's been one of the last heroes resistant to the ban. But Agent Rick made it clear that if Bob stepped out of line again, he wouldn't be able to shield him from the consequences this time. Bob would be going to federal prison.
Helen and Bob are going back and forth at this point with Helen physically blocking Bob from leaving the house. When Helen reminds Bob of what Rick said and implores him to let law enforcement handle it, Bob says he doesn't care. He's not gonna sit by and watch innocent people get hurt when he can do something about it.
Helen goes still and then asks if he would sit by and watch his family go on without him. Bob asks what she means, and Helen reveals that she's pregnant. Bob is in disbelief.
Helen then gives somewhat of an ultimatum. Saying that this is bigger than them now. They're about to have a family, and for her, hero life won't be more important than that. Bob goes to grab her shoulders and says that a family with Helen is the most important thing to him. Helen just asks, "is it?"
Bob filters through several emotions. Joy of the pregnancy, apprehension for the future mixed with excitement, grief of what he's giving up, anger on why he has too, before settling on determination of a choice made. Helen let's him go through all of it.
Bob let's go of Helen and turns away. But he doesn't go for the door. He walks to the table, grab the tv remote, and shuts off rhe news. Then he tells Helen firmly that his family will always be his priority.
I'm thinking Helen could tell this story to Evelyn after Evelyn captures Bob and plans to kill him. Something along the lines of, "if you want to hate someone and punish someone, punish me," because she's the one who told Bob not to go.
Low-key might rewrite this whole movie at this point.
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what a great writeup! I wish you were on the writing team for Incredibles 2.
Damn, this is very compelling. Good stuff, I especially like the part with hacking to Syndrom's files, because it both reinforces her worldview, and is a good callback to the original, and this is something, that just doesn't exist in the sequel.
Why is it fans can write a better sequel? Literally.
I found £50 in the cinema toilet after watching this film. 5 stars.
8 years is crazy. The first movie was only 14 years old when the sequel come out, so we are already 2/3 of the way.
Hopefully they don't mess up incredibles 3.
Is there even plans for that? I haven't heard a lot about it
@great2831 It’s actually set for summer 2028! Brad Bird I think will only be executive producer though, it’ll be Peter sohn who’s directing it - the guy who directed The Good Dinosaur and Elemental. He also voiced Emile in Ratatouille and Squishy in Monsters University. He’s been part of Pixar for a long time, but his directing record is a little to be desired imo 😬. There hasn’t been any plot details yet, but Holly Hunter said they’re about to start voice work in the spring.
Only? 14 years was a long time.
@i@imnotsqiddymeant “only” in a sense that all the fans of the original felt it it was FOREVER since the first movie when the sequel came out, but it was only 14 years. I’d imagine a lot of us feel like the sequel was still recent, not almost already at the age the first movie was when it released.
10:32 The perfect cut. 10/10, no notes.
Glad you noticed it’s sending me
Parents: But what about my 4 year old watching the movie???
Director: Skill issue
Also the Jack Jack short film in the original is already so much better than the sequel
Bob losing a FISTFIGHT to the Underminer in the first 5 minutes was the biggest tell this film was not up to parr (bad pun) with the first.
Bob, the guy who sent the Omnidroid further than a football field with ONE PUNCH lost a FISTFIGHT with the UNDERMINER.
after that i was like they finna play in my face 🤦🏾♀️
The writers really undermineded the character
If they had him outsmarted, then yeah that would be fine, but to have him outmuscled is just ridiculous.
it makes sense, I2 was a dialogue on feminism.... they HAD to make Bob weak and bad, the weak-bad-modern-man trope needed to be applied to deconstruct him better.
@DavidSmith-cr7mb shouldn't they have had bob be exactly the big strong man that he thinks he needs to be so that they can show that wasnt the soltion he thought it was?
Instead, it was basically the exact opposite of the feminist solution. "See your problem was that you got out muscled. You should have been stronger and that would have protected your family and city."
A prequel would've actually been much better for this movie. We could've gotten to see all the superheroes in their prime and the Incredibles could've been part of a superhero organization, an organization thats worried about the government banning them so they are trying to show the world how good they
Nah, modern Pixar/modern Disney would've ruined it too. They should've went with Brad Bird's original sequel plan
@dtxspeaks268 what was the original sequel plan
@Midnight112-n7n the kids would've been older and JJ struggles with his powers and a villain maniuplates him basically.
@dtxspeaks268 thats better than what we got
@dtxspeaks268 All I ever wanted from the sequel was the kids to be aged up.
Because there are so many ways to show how their views on having powers and maybe becoming a hero could change from the stress and commitments that are now pressured from the general public.
The scene with the Underminer was so perfect in NOT being a cliffhanger but rather a vehicle to represent character growth at the end of the movie that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 basically copied it with the rhinoceros
Saying the Underminer wasn't a cliffhanger, but a 'unified front' is perfectly said. Nailed it.
When i was little, I thought the suicidal guy was doing a trapeze act
LOL
I watched it as a kid and understood he was trying to kill himself. Like even my parents explained that. Idk why it never felt too adult for me to understand.
Me too
@Yon-k2b Yeah i don't get why some people say that the movie is "too mature" or "dark" for kids. Mate, kids dont care as long as you dont show gore or something. Heck I'm SURE i came up with darker stuff as a kid than some R rated movies
2:00 I honestly disagree with his idea that it's not for kids, most kids will still love it, they'll relate to dash or violent and they'll enjoy hearing the story. It's just that they won't appreciate the nucance of it until they're parents themselves decades later.
Disney: we will not try to scare the four-year-olds in this one.
Also Disney: Hey, you know what would be fun? let's give everyone epilepsy!
You can't be "given" epilepsy 😂 you're born with it
Either way Disney failed. I used to find the screenslaver’s mask terrifying when I was younger. 😅
Also the "we are evil" speech wouldve been so much more effective if it was "we staged all the incidents where we saved the day. The train, the helicopters, screen slaver's capture. All an act. Heck I still have drinks with Bomb Voyage on the weekend." especially since it's true that evelyn staged them.
yooo I loved your twist on Evelyn as a villain. Her hating the Parr family because of something Bob did in the past would've been INSANE
21:31 or why not make both Bob and Helen knew Evelyn's father? And when he tried to call both of them, Bob wanted to attend the calls both were getting on their respective phones but Helen, who's stick to follow the law, she told Bob they should ignore the call and let the authorities take care of whatever the problem was. That would make Evelyn have a more personal grudge torwards Helen, making her start to question if blindly following the rules was right in the first place
This right here
That definitely would've made Evelyn's actions even more personal, although it's foundation is still pretty similar to Syndrome's
@jmann6368 syndromes foundation was more jealousy. He wanted to be a hero but didnt have what other heroes did. So, he aimed to make the public see him as one.
I thought the incredibles 2 would’ve been about society slowly accepting supers and the government making them legal again but there’s a new group of young heroes who push out the old guard and even blames heroes like Mr. Incredible and others for their failures that made supers illegal in the first place and they take a new effective, efficient, and cold approach to heroism that seems to deviate away from Bob’s vision of what a hero is. I thought that would’ve been a better story.
Isn't this the superman story what's so funny about truth, justice and the american way ?
Rather than focusing on Helen, the sequel could’ve had started a few years ahead and focused on Dash and Violet being indoctrinated by the new wave of heroes and slowly rebelling against their parents. Bob and Parr’s relationship largely focuses on their marriage problems and trust issues in the first film; naturally, the second can focus on parents struggling in their relationship with their rebellious teenage children. It would’ve been an organic evolution of the family themes in the first film
This sounds like DC comics Kingdom Come .....a more lighter, friendlier version.
The message of this movie is "screens bad, family good."
So profound
"Hahaa, just like old times.."
"Just like ol-"
"AAHH-"
crazy how building off that cliffhanger undermined the sequel.
There was already a follow up to the ending of the first called Rise of the Underminer that was Canon before Disney decononized it. Brad Bird considered it Canon when he wrote his original script for the sequel
Ok 1. It was never a cliffhanger, it was just a means of closure, showing that the family is fighting supervillains together now, to highlight the kids becoming heroes and the parents being brought back together in ideals again.
And second, Rise of the Underminer is a 3D beat ‘em up with practically zero story. It would barely pass for a stand-alone cartoon episode, let alone a movie sequel.
@emblemblade9245 ROTU was a good story and the best follow up to the first movie. You're literally trashing a game that meant to follow up on the movie alongside the comics and the original sequel plans. Brad Bird considered it canon in his original script. A lot of you Disney shills like the fake canon and hate the good canon.
@emblemblade9245 ROTU was a good story and the best follow up to the first movie. You're literally trashing a game that meant to follow up on the movie alongside the comics and the original sequel plans. Brad Bird considered it canon in his original script. A lot of you Disney shills like the fake canon and hate the good canon.
The underminer was so undermining, he undermined the sequel, making him the greatest villain ever.
That scene where Helen is in the frozen room is literally pulled from FF 2005
5:56 if that was a cliffhanger that is one cliffhanger that never bothered me. The Incredibles was a perfect movie. I have never heard anyone who has ever asked for a sequel.
Yeah it was there to be like "yeah they still have adventures that await them, but this is not a part of our story"
I honestly thought the underminer was added to the movie last second so they could make videogames on him
The way he announces himself is pretty on the nose too. It's obvious that he was not meant to be this deep villain like Syndrome is.
I haven't thought about Incredibles 2 in years, but I was instantly taken back to the feeling of disappointment I had leaving the theaters when you reminded me it even exists.
My bad..
The sad thing about this movie is that the fight for superhero legality in the wake of the really good PR moment from the end of the first movie would have been a really interesting plot device, that sounds like a great movie. There was no reason to revert the teamwork, they could have just had Helen's PR stuff act as the wedge on its own, causing new conflict without overwriting the original.
what I really wanted from an Incredibles 2 was a time skip of some kind. provide new scenarios for the family to go through! Maybe Violet's engaged, maybe Dash is starting college, maybe we actually get to meet Jack Jack (who probably just wants to go by Jack these days, but maybe his family always calls him Jack Jack and that bothers him idk). but yea, like you said, we just got the same character arcs, the same story for them all to go through again. Doesn't make much sense... We could still have new supers, but it's like a new generation of supers. Maybe like a 10 year time skip idk. It's frustrating
if the Incredibles 3 still isn't a timeskip I'm going to riot
I don't think it would be impossible to "age up" the kids' power. Violet's barrier powers could get the emphasis to represent an unwillingness to allow people in her life close to her. Dash's super speed could transition into a symbol for his unwillingness to commit to obligations, "running" from commitment so to speak. The film could focus on an adolescent Jack Jack whose powers being in flux represents perhaps burgeoning identity issues he's having going into puberty. Just spitballing.
This. Jack Jack being a baby is wasted potential
What if instead of a sequel it would have been about another super hero in this universe
I also thought of that. I had said in my original comment a prequel would've been better than this movie
I do think a prequel could've been really interesting!
@Jheff99 Totally! We could've gotten to see the superheroes together as an organization
@Midnight112-n7n a sequel was always planned but it wasn't going to be this
@Jheff99not necessary a prequel, just another super hero at around the same time dealing with their own problems
18:56 “big obvious stupid fucking hypno glasses” deserves a like from me 👍
The deleted scenes would have helped this movie a lot
Nah bro you're right about the first movie. The incredibles is one of those movies that can never get old no matter how old it is.
You don't know how pissed I was when I saw that they were just repeating the plot from the first movie, only having Elasti-Girl reliving *her* glory days and Bob was taking care of the kids. I was wanting to see the family fighting as a team for the entire movie, as was implied by the end of the last one! It's kinda crazy because it's actually been awhile since I've watched a Pixar movie in the theater. I think "Up" was the last one they made that I was interested in.
Don't even get me started on that "it's for kids" bullplop! I don't know how many times The Wife and I argued over movies for the kids. She'd always ask, "Can't you just watch something for the kids?", and I would always answer, "If they can't entertain everyone, they don't deserve my money!"
You should check out Elemental, that was a good movie
@ElusiveEllieBelle mid
2:15 that is what used to make Pixar movies so great; they had something to offer for every age group. You can rewatch these movies years later and find a lot of subtext and themes aimed towards the parents watching with their kids.
2:30 Putting a scene of Wish up after all of those Incredibles scenes actually gave me a bit of whiplash, holy moly the art direction is that much worse to me.
I think their powers can fit other archetypes as adults.
Dash could be rushing through life, trying to get certain milestones while missing out on human connections. This would actually be quite relevant with the modern "always grinding" mentality that a lot influencers are pushing on young boys and men.
Violet coul then be the opposite, trying to find stability as her priority, not necesseraly denouncing hero work, but maybe there could be some worldbuilding and make something like hero agencies (thanks mha) that pay considerable less but have a better stream of jobs.
Jack jack would then be about his potential. The fact that he is the most op of the bunch but doesn't want to be a hero could be a fun idea.
Add a pinch of "living in my parents shadow" drama, and you can have a cohesive time skip that retains their deveolpments from the first one.
that bit about jack jack reminds me of Dragon Ball Z and how Goku's kids get increasingly strong but also less motivated about fighting. Seeing Gohan go to high school and getting a regular job (and getting his own family) was real novel.
I think you could pretty easily age up the characters and still have their powers make sense. Violet is now a young mom, she uses her forcefields way more, maybe too much, because of how protective she is of her baby. Dash is in college and stressed about tests and his part time job, so hes always moving fast so he can feel like hes getting everything he wants to done. Helen is home with only bob and Jack jack, so she gets stiff after not having to stretch herself as thin. And Bob is doing really well as a hero so he ends up being too strong for his own good and hurts people around him and has to learn how to briddle his strength. Then jack jack is in high-school, taking so many classes and doing so many extra curriculars, and that makes reflects in him trying to use his powers all together rather than focusing on one or two to train and get good at using
Holly Hunter going out of her way to spend time with real pilots learning the proper codes and callouts for the flight to the island was more effort than the entire second movie put into it's characters.
They really should’ve had the characters age in real time for the sequel. I think it would’ve been interesting if there was a 14 year Timeskip where now Violet and Dash are adults who either have their own families or are in the process of starting their own families. They would be in their 20s by the time of the sequel.
Funnily enough Incredibles 2 fell into the same trap as Marvel and DC where they reset everything back to the Status Quo despite all the development the characters went through. Marvel and DC would write a plot like Incredibles 2 where they retcon the original in order to make a sequel.
I feel like a lot of sequels make this same mistake. They "correct" the main character flaws in the first installment, and when it's time to write a sequel, they can't figure out a new problem the "fixed" character dynamic might have. So they just regress the characters back to where they were at the very beginning, attempting to repeat the same character growth.
The roboglasses could have imbedded themselves into supers,so it could have been a lot scarier and harder to thwart. Actual consequences instead of random things
My question is, who the hell gave the little girl that "The ScreenSlaver is still out there sign." that Helen sees in that one scene. Did her mom make that for her or something?
I always assumed it was the Screenslaver.
That scene always irked me. I always assumed it was the mother, but why would she make it? Was it something done by the Screenslaver or creepy coincidence? The film never answered the question either.
@lewstherintelamon244 I think the idea of Evelyn taking the time out of her probably busy schedule to make the sign, give it to a little girl that she probably doesn't know or worse yet one she hired all in the hope that Helen sees it and doubt herself for all of a moment is so funny. It's honestly the kind of obsession I wish they leaned more into instead of the 'We don't know each other' angle. Like imagine instead of hating supers, Evelyn was instead just so singularly obsessed with Elastigirl that she just wanted to give her a supervillain she deemed worthy of her pedigree. Someone not physically imposing but mentally, someone clever that she had to figure out the mystery of. It would be kind of a twist on Syndrome's own previous toxic fandom, this time the villian is too much of a fan. So much so she's willing to hurt the innocent just to give Elastigirl a chance in the spotlight and something to fight.
Yes! I love this idea. Like, instead of wanting supers to be illegal, she actually wants them to be legal and is helping towards that goal, but her obsession for caused her to take things too far and when Elastigirl finds out and tells her to stop, she goes true supervillain while believing she's helping supers.
The girl also can't be hypnotised, no screen or goggles, so is she perfectly ok with that sign? This made no sense and I feel like it isn't brought up enough.
7:11 Thunderhead is raising his adopted kids with his “roommate” Scott… right…
THATS WHAT IM SAYING LMAO. i did a double take at my screen like a cartoon character like oh sure. sure yea his roommate lmao. yea
I love that little detail, it's so cute. Shows that they all had their own little interesting lives
that little anecdote there is more interesting to me than all of incredibles 2. give me a queer prequel spin-off of the incredibles with thunderhead instead!! that would be peak
@fizzyjam A prequel series that focuses on the lives of Supers including the ones killed by Syndrome would be sweet
Oh my god they were roommates
"Hey look, the assistant is the twist villain!" - guess where I got another one of those from.
Boy i sure do hope someone didn't copy the other film's homework
Would it shock you to know that the second incredibles came out two years after the first Zootopia movie.
I remember when incredibles 2 was a new movie… eight years
Watching this video realizing I don’t remember anything about this movie. That’s how big of a disappointment it was. Completely forgettable.
Still blaming the nothing burger of a film "The Good Dinosaur" for essentially screwing over this Sequel
That’s still a better film than the incredibles 2
@Katetengen
Only by account of not ruining the reputation of a great film
I'm still gonna trash the film for being a colossal waste of productivity and rushing which screwed over Incredibles 2's development
Apparently that movie, like Elio, had a massive script rewrite in the middle of production where the plot was dumbed down. The artstyle feels uncanny having saturated cartoon characters with a hyper realistic background. And also, humans wouldn’t exist at all if dinosaurs survived. No rise of mammals. The croods is way better…
It's a crime that they deleted an opening scene for Incredibles 2, which discussed Bob's friendships with the heroes who Syndrome murdered, particularly Simon as well as Jack.
This what happens when adults never grow up. These movies aren’t for you
>be me
>23 yo
>try to buy a ticket for Incredibles 2
>cashier asks "okay ma'am, you and how many children? 😊"
>"uh... just me?"
>everyone gasps and looks back to me
>cashier gives me the most uncanny glare I've ever seen
>sirens start glaring
>theather locks down
>Swat teams start rapelling down the ceiling
>surrounded and pointed at by arm guards
>"MA'AM YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE THIS BY YOURSELF, THIS MOVIE IS ANIMATED, IT'S FOR KIDS"
>they shoot me down in cold blood
>cashier spits on my body
>last thing I see before I go is a jack jack plushie thrown at me by a 4 year old
>his dad looks nervous anf horrified
>"HONEY CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS LOSER?!", says his wife
>"y-yeah..."
That's so funny, the exact thing happened to me.
Gosh why did I have to read this
Now that’s just unpleasant.
Haters will say it never happened
Bomba
13:20 IM UPSET HEARING THIS MAKES ME UPSET
I didn't realise how poopy the sequel was.
It felt like the whole movie was about the stupid baby.
He was far less insufferable in this first movie. All of them were.
@ShinGhidorah17they should have aged them up. I would have loved to see a slightly older dash, violet and Jack be the protagonists.
7:35 sounds like it's not far from where megamind takes place
Metropolis
@Mt.LhotseMetro City
metrovile could be 3 to 6 hours from metro city.
@unknownrecroomplayer5917metropolis
@unknownrecroomplayer5917Metro Nui
I swear this better not be another "women bad, movie with women worse" video
It has NOT been 8 years since the incredibles 2 came out. That's insane.
its been 25 years
They even break down Bob's character in the second film by making him petty and childish about not getting to go on to be the hero representative.
The first movie genuinely leaves me with the impression he'd say, when faced with the situation of the second film, "Go on, honey. I'll watch the kids and you kick some butt."
But instead he whines that it's not him getting to go, and then goes on an arc that "being a daddy is haaard" and sucks at raising his kids and that's the whole bit before getting brainwashed. It's dumb.
That's like a male lion getting jealous that he doesn't get to hunt a zebra, antelope, or wildebeest, even though the cubs need his protection from predators, like hyenas, wild dogs, leopards, etc
@JaydenDarling-k8u A male lion is the most dangerous creature to a lion cub LMAO
@furthings Yeah, but usually, it's dangerous to cubs that aren't part of its pride
What I find funny is that you said the sequel felt like it was more geared towards kids yet it had the words damn and hell. I don’t know why, of all things, that stuck with me all these years, but it did.
The Incredibles 2 has Ralf Breaks the Internet Syndrome....
Both UNcredibles 2 and Ralph Fs The Internet have Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Syndrome
Can’t forget about Frozen II which is a mess of a plot that ran out of time
@dtxspeaks268 lol 😂
@cloudshines812Frozen 2 has the advantage of being really nice to look at. Nothing else though.
Granted as terrible as Incredibles 2 is, Ralph breaks the Internet is worse
what do you mean it’s been almost a decade since this movie came out
I don’t care what evidence you have to the contrary, I refuse to believe this wasn’t a covid movie
7:58 “our characters arcs are completed” brother two of them are children. There is infinitely more to develop with these characters. Just because a horrible company isn’t capable of of putting out a great sequel doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be a sequel at all. This movie could’ve/ should’ve/ and would’ve had a great sequel if things were different
Yea, pixar is more obsessed with hight texture rather than story telling. I think disney buy out is at fault.
Yup. Same with Star Wars and Marvel
Probably because their animators are the only folks on staff that know ehat they're doing.
It is.
"bomb voyage and buddy had the same likelihood of returning later in the story" bruh reread your script, this line is immediately by the sentences after it
The ONE thing I will give this movie is we got more scenes with frozone in it
"I don't want to compromise the intensity in order to please a four-year-old" let's bring this energy back pls 🙏🙏
I forget the exact quote, but it was like "Kids can handle some intense moments, as long as there's a happy ending."