Watching this from Ukraine in 2023, impressively accurate analysis by Mr. Snyder, done 8 years ago, while even today a lot of people don't know what is going on.
I've been listening to this man for over a year but only just found this lecture (a huge thank you to the person in another comment section who recommended it to me! I returned the favour by recommending The Making Of Modern Ukraine series). Listening to this now is both chilling and illuminating. Vindicating, too, since this is the sort of thing I said (obviously not as well) in the arguments I started having with several of my friends and acquaintances after February 2022. I'm going to recommend this video to anyone I talk to about Ukraine from now on. It's been a while since your comment, Maksym... I hope you and your loved ones are well and as safe as you can be. Переможете 💙💛
As an American expatriate living in Ukraine in 2014, I was bewildered by the inability of western journalists to comprehend that this was not a civil war between Russian speakers and speakers of Ukrainian... that there was no serious contention between the various nationalities and that these "little green men" were actually Russian soldiers. This lecture is helping me process what I previously could not define. Kudos Mr. Snyder. Your speech is more relevant today as so many people would rather let known propagandists (a.k.a. liars) like Tucker Carlson do their thinking for them.
On what specifics has Tucker Carlson lied in this context? I've been paying attention to the Ukraine/Russia conflict since 2013/2014,… even visited both countries in the surrounding vicinity of the conflict. From what I can tell this is largely a USA infringement on Russian neighborhood polarity (it's about regional social-political systems, not law, given the intertwined history of Russia in the region, eastern and south USSR-Ukraine area, which was Russia before it was Ukraine as a state then country, post 1991)
@@bonsummers2657 TC has lied about everything... Ethnic issues in Ukraine, religious freedom and the supposed "Ukrainian" Orthodox church, opposition parties being outlawed, Zelensky breaking the constitution, and so on and so forth. While you "paid attention" to the conflict, I lived it. While you visited neighboring countries, I was living in Ukraine since 1995. Your view of history is incorrect. Russia was born out of Ukraine and not the other way around. Ukraine is Russia's mother and Russia is committing matricide. I used to think TC had poo for brains, but then I realized he has poo for a conscience. Your pedantic meanderings are worthless... Ukraine is its own country and it wants freedom. Russia has attacked without being provoked.
I am an Eastern bloc person. Czech. I was never surprised and I was always looking at that area with worry. Mixed nationality area + Russia as a neighbour + difficult history + inequality in industry and wealth. What could go wrong? When Putin started tightening up screws, first coming back as a ruler forever, going after opposition, press... I was like "why the hell nobody is doing anything against it?" After Crimea I was livid. Nobody seemed to notice it´s getting serious. Why do people who actually understand the problem never get the floor to influence politicians?
28:45 - So true: "It's a kind of revolution where corporate lawyers literally threw Molotov cocktails". I have a friend, who is a corporate lawyer, who spent dozens of nights on the Maidan.
ashramshef How else people stay up for weeks and MANY Ukrainians admit that drugs were common in the maidan, most of all some amphetamine style drug was deluded into the tea which was free to everyone 24/7. Maidan was a investment.
Here in germany we also have to bear a lot of propaganda - lately concerning russia, ukraine and the debt-crisis in greece. It comes from every side. Our media is in favour of the nato-propaganda. In regards to ukraine we exclusively hear news from the ukraine "Wahrheitsministerium" (ministry of truth). "Truth" is always a matter of perspective. There are no innocents in this conflict.
Wise man. His books on Central and Eastern Europe are brilliant, everybody interested in the region should read them. Nicely shown reasons for why Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and Poland are the way they are, despite starting from similar point.
csenuber Nope, you are wrong. Ukrainian peasants were just as poor as polish peasants, and Ukrainian nobles were just as rich as Polish nobles. Except after a few generations those Ukrainian nobles started to speak Polish, which alienated the peasants. Except Ukraine had these things called Cossacks, which were paid based on a 'registry' and had special privileges others did not. Those Cossacks got pissed off Poland would not increase their registry and was preventing them from raiding neighboring Ottoman lands (due to peace treaty) so they riled up the Ukrainian peasants, started a revolution in the hopes of becoming absolute rulers. Well guess what happened, they became worse then slaves, all the cossacks were ELIMINATED. And Ukraine has only been worse off since.
Whatever129 Cossacks were eliminated? Go tell that to newly elected into Ukrainian Parliament dudes. Some of them would be very surprised. And Noble Ukrainians Bohdan Hmelnitsky run under Russian protection. Whatever lands he brought to Russian Tsar is Ukraine, the rest is their wishful thinking.
wise man? he's a crook and propagandist, his ridiculous claims are not correspond to history articles in wikipedia. it's pretty funny how you buying any bullshit without even attempt to check the facts. I can't believe that he is an academic and this is what Western audience think.
Whatever129 oh smell an expert. your buddy John from nearest farm told you that? To be clear, you are an idiot. Read a wiki about Cossacks at last, it's not related exclusively to Ukraine. "All cossacks were eliminated" lol. What a garbage really.
Believe me, it is difference to write a book in a nice house in US about those countries, like to live there for a long time enough to, at least, start to little bit understand what is it really about. I live decades in east and decade in west, I know what I am talking about.
And yet, I was just wondering if he may be the Marshall McIuhan of our day. I find this guy brilliant, except how can anyone agree that Hillary's office should have smashed up those servers with a hammer "because those emails were personal," Looper. They probably would have revealed a lot about the activities of The Clinton Foundation or the illegality of our wars of economic intervention. He is wrong on Russiagate if "one" "looks at" "the evidence" I have heard of. It seems like if we went back and established what the "facts" of the Meuller Report are, we might have a hard time disagreeing in public, or it would be an excellent debate. I read Anne Applebaum's "Red Famine" and noticed her speaking with a Russian anti-Ukranian way of doing things bias that had nothing to do with the Holodomor. It seems as if, historically, the Russians and Ukranian people have a lot in common. Victimhood becomes complex. Going back to the beginning of things is sometimes useful. How do we certify that the Ukranian election was "free and fair?"
Just because a person has an opinion different to yours does NOT make him/her a bot. If you wish to make a useful contribution then gather your arguments and facts and present them in a cogent and defensible fashion. Thank you.
@khunmikeon858 "Opinion different than yours" is an euphemism for kremlinbot behaviour copied by irl fascists and braindead genocide apologists in your case. There's absolutely no difference to us if you get paid for your BS or not, you're a sworn enemy wageing an infowar and will get punished accordingly. You either don't know what's been goung on in comments everywhere ir you're really a kremlinbot - the latter being more common than the former.
gotta love all the Kremlin apologists in the comments section. "Lies, lies, lies! American propaganda! This guy is a propagandist! He knows nothing!" And pretty much zero arguments to support the invective.
Wu Tang Ghostface Killah There's also the point that journalism in Ukraine is incredibly unprofessional. Short of a couple really bright reporters and investigators like Yuri Butusov, we have nothing to counter the Russian lies with because our news outlets don't produce strong and convincing stories either. We have nothing to show internationally to counter RT.
VioletGiraffe I couldn't agree more. Most Ukrainian journalists are so emotionally involved in the conflict, they don't seem to notice how much of their writing is rhetoric and propaganda, and how little of it provides information that could be used to counter Kremlin's. Compared to Russians, they are amateurs. Which raises the question, what were those proverbial State Dept's $5 billion spent on? If you invest in a country's civil society, shouldn't you spend some on training journalists and editors?
Ivan Lenin funny thing is that you are using classical NLP trick wrapping lie inside the truth. Yes, ukrainian journalists are unprofessional. But whole russian media is big propaganda machine, controlled by one person. Yes it is professional machine but yet it has nothing to do with journalism.
@toddgrady7119 For early 2014, he actually did hit the nail on the head. I don't think you watched it trough or understand. It's an analysis of situation 9 years ago, they didn't have "today" then.
I'm 48 minutes into the video and not once is American interference mentioned, Victoria Newland's selection of a new leader neither the $5Billion pumped into the realisation of the Maidan revolution.
It doesn't matter that this talk has it's 10th anniversary, It is and should be essential, mandatory viewing to everyone with even the slightest interest in viewing Russia in an accurate context, not only the conflict in Ukraine, but the threats to European unity, and also as a grounding to their insidious influence in US internal affairs. Start here, then update with a more recent talk of his, or someone like General Hodges, his thoughts are current and very relevant strategically. Recommended.
I think towards the end of this talk I must’ve dozed but otherwise I found it extremely interesting !!! In part this history was mentioned in part of my world history class I had in high school I always did hear about the (bread basket)
When he started to talk about 2014 he made no reference around American interference in the 2014 uprising against the then elected leader , I reference Victoria Nuland conversation with the American ambassador. Surely this is a historical fact that a historian should not forget. How can anyone take this historian seriously , or be suspicious of his other claims when this historical fact had not been mentioned.
Also, when he mentions the EU, is it also not a historical fact that the EU was an American concept engineered by the CIA. Not mentioned by this Historian.
love it, as always RUclipsrs with no qualifications but plenty of feelings know more than a Yale professor who focuses almost exclusively on Eastern Europe. You all must be brilliant.
They might be speaking out of their emotions but at least they are real while doing so, this two bit "professor" might have been paid by the zionist which is pretty common in USA these days.
Ryan F you know the funny part is for some doesn't even need it extra education to know what's going on around and the problem is this professor piece of fucking shit liar everything he build up he build up specific there to represent Western review on what they did in Ukraine make sure he hide everything he could so he put everything upside down from real two fiction and 100000 peoples who doesn't have a Jil education believe that bullshit in the breath with no doubt in his credibility but I know what's really happening there I see in my eyes and not just in the little circle but I've see all the details in government how many people from United States pressured Unico Village to do what he did to make sure he fails he stayed two nationalistic fascist groups who takes the power in Ukraine and people like you have no fucking idea you just believe that piece of shit on the stage congratulation
Watch Peppe Escobar with professor Michael Hudson for some in depth, multifaceted insight in the Ukraine crisis and the geo economic/social/political background to the whole crisis.
@@NegruRW You can easily assume that Putin is dishonest or unfrank when he says that he fights nazis in Ukraine. You might treat those accusations as primitive pretexts for a military intervention and pay no attention to them. However ,then you will lose any chance to understand the massive support Putin enjoys among Russians. It is not very probable they are all like Putin, notoric liars or idiots. So without some reference to Bandera and what he did and what he instigated and how he ended and how he is excused and honored today you cannot depict a complete picture of Ukraine and Russia in this Russian-Ukrainian war.
@@NegruRW History doesn’t teach Soviet Union has lost 26 millions of human lives in WW II Holocaust-6 million of Jews Jews killed by Ukrainians , polish killed by Ukrainian Nazi. Who was the leader of Ukrainian Nazi? Bandera ! What was bandera’s slogan? “Slava Ukraine” - geroiam slava How many people supporting Ukraine yelling “slava Ukraine “? Do they know that is the Nazi slogan ? Russian people remembers how many lives have been lost in WWII
@@TheDarim Putin launched the special military operation reluctantly under pressure from his constituents when all diplomatic efforts were ignored by the US-NATO alliance. A militarized NATO member Ukraine controlled by highly organized Nazis is an existential threat to the Russian Federation
Current members of parliament (423 seats taken; 27 left out because of the war in the constituencies) in Ukraine are neo-nazi: - Petro Poroshenko Bloc (132 seats), openly hails Bandera and other figures responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia; Poroshenko set the date of the creation of the UPA as the most important Ukrainian holiday, - People's Front (82 seats), openly hails Bandera and other figures responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia, - Self Reliance (33 seats), openly hails Bandera and other figures responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia, - Radical Party (22 seats), openly hails Bandera and other figures responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia, look at their logotype - Ukrainians used pitchforks, among other tools, during the genocide: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Party_of_Oleh_Lyashko - All-Ukrainian Union "Fatherland" (19 seats), openly hails Bandera and other figures responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia. That's 68% of the parliament being openly neo-nazi (I've only counted the seats that belong to specific parties, there are non-partisan members who may also be neo-nazi).
This guy really started to bore me. He did say he was a conservative and based on his presentation he definitely revealed this. He talks of the history of Ukraine but he fails to provide anything about the specific intervention of the USA/CIA cabal that has been interfering with countries throughout the world. If he wanted, he could have done a short history of Allen Dulles and his merry men that have caused much death and destruction throughout the world. Very quickly I would mention some people that have probably influenced his thinking. Leo Strauss, Donald Kagan, Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristal, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Cohen, Elliott Cohen, Elliott Abrams and Kimberly Allen. One person he doesn't mention is the former Secretary of State of the USA and US Ambassador during the crisis in Kiev in 2014. The two names are Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pratt. They were directly involved of the overthrow (coup) of the democratically elected president at the time. There is a leaked audio recording of Nuland and Pratt deciding on who will be the next president of the Ukraine. I only mention this to indicate that there are key moments in history and I would think this would have stood out. "Men will not accept truth at the hands of their enemies, and truth is seldom offered to them by their friends: for this very reason I have spoken it. - Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America I believe Alexis was spot on. Years ago, Alexander Solzhenitsyn said this. "The United States is placing its occupation troops in one country after another. This is the de facto situation in Bosnia for 9 years, in Kosovo and Afghanistan for 5 years each, in Iraq for 3 years so far, but it will be a long time there. There is little difference between NATO’s actions and individual U.S. actions. Clearly seeing that today’s Russia poses no threat to them, NATO is methodically and persistently developing its military apparatus - to the east of Europe and into the continental reach of Russia from the south. There is open material and ideological support for “color” revolutions, and the paradoxical introduction of North Atlantic interests - in Central Asia. All this leaves no doubt that a complete encirclement of Russia is being prepared, and then the loss of its sovereignty. No, Russia’s accession to such a Euro-Atlantic alliance, which conducts propaganda and the violent introduction into various parts of the planet of the ideology and forms of current Western democracy - would lead not to expansion, but to the decline of Christian civilization."
Talk about boring, that was a lot of schizo waffle right there. Muh CIA. 🤡 CIA Jews somehow invented Ukrainian national consciousness. Muh based Christian civilisation in the country 🇷🇺 with more abortions than almost anywhere else 🤡🤡🤡
I can not fathom the fact that, since you shed the light on the historical background as a bedrock to understand the current situation but you didn't mention anything concerning the Crimean wars, the annexation of the Western Russian to Ucraine. Without talking about these 2 historical elements you can not understand the Ucrainian case no matter how go deeper. It is a kind of, as you mentioned, following the track of events. The Eastern Ucraine was part of Russia. It means those who live there are originally Russian. It follows that if a government ruled under a coup d'etat is becoming hostile to this minority living in the Eastern side the most normal thing, knowing very well that they can be backed by a super power that is Russia, is to show a kind of resistance to such hostility. In 1954 the Comuinst president Khrutchov, without consulting anyone, simply handed over Crimea to the government of Crimea,knowing very well the most strategic importance of Crimea in terms of having dominance over the black sea and having access to Europe and the Middle East. I want just to add something:the fact that you didn't mention these two big historical events is indeed a distortion of historical facts that lead to a misunderstanding of what is really going right now.
Ukraine didn’t exist until Russian revolution. Kiev was a capital city of Russia, then it has been moved to Moscow. Krim was Turkish land and when Russians has won the war the krim became a part of Russia. It’s stated that if krim is not a part of Russia it will return under the turkey. This man is not a good historian Russia ecsisted before 1200 , Check how old is Novgorod !!!
You should stop watching RT and wake up. Crimea was devasted after WWII and Ukraine became liable to rebuild it. In 1991 Jelzin, (i guess) Kutcha and Lukachenko hand in hand walked in to Gorbachev to proclaim independancy of the 3 states, in 1994 Russia again guaranteed Ukrainian sovereignty. But, before all, the Ukrainians - including the russian speakers - fight like hell against the invaders. From my perspektive, there is no way somebody might be willing to fight and/or die for a handful of dollars (or rubles). On Feb 24, the Ukrainians - the vast majority including the russian speakers - voted clearly against Russia.
@@wolfgangengel7786 I don’t watch RT, or any other TV programs or news. There are more reliable sources to understand what is happening in Ukraine. What kind of role has played Victoria Nuland during the maidan … Who is Kolomoysky? Kolomoysky +Zelenski + Hunter Biden? Where are all money (sent to Ukraine)going ? Why all the military equipment is sold on the black market by Ukrainian military forces. Don’t forget that holocaust 6 mln Jews Died . Bandera was Nazi collaborator of Hitler. You don’t have to trust anyone, just do your research. Please check how many polish and Jews were killed by bandera. Whole Soviet Union has contributed to the reconstruction of Soviet Union. Land lease has been paid by Russia, after Soviet Union broke up. 26 millions of Soviet people has died in WWII. When I say Soviet I mean more than 150 ethnicities/nationalities Not just Russians and Ukrainians
@@firuzaabdullaeva2706 I admit that I am not a historian, but at least I know sth about the recent history of the last century and I believe that has a paramount significance to understand the reasons behind this conflict and who really triggers it. The Collective West has been waging bloody wars either directly or by proxy. Nobody in the west is interested in peace treaty with Russia and the only period when the West was happy with was in the Yeltsin era. They were so happy that they were sucking, robbing and deindustralising Russia.
Thank you Professor Timothy Snyder for an eloquent teaching on current status on European History with Ukraine and Russia. "Decadent" inference of the state might just enlighten us in the global arena, much gratitude to you.
Stalin who was GEORGIAN not Russian. For him ukranian and Russian were the same. It was "raskulachivanie" by agricultural regions , regardless what nationality you are.
This professor which is very educated is so very wrong with this information that he is providing. Mongols didn't destroy the cities that accepted their rule and paid them timely. Alexander Nevsky bent the knee to the Mongols and thus was able to preserve Rus culture and way of life in Novgorod. When his kin 2 centuries later defeated the Mongols, the culture from Novgorod became the main culture and spread to other regions when the territories around it was being assimilated into what became eventually the Russian Empore. His story is full of logics and people are here gobbling it because they don't know better.
From propaganda to more of the same propaganda: that's pretty much what could have been expected from a speaker from Yale. Surprisingly for an "historian" he could not even tell the ancient Kiev history right! Wow!
If you are going to make that claim, you must take the time, at least a few paragraphs to point by point, substantiate your claim . . . please, I am interested . . .
And where did this professor disappear the Novgorod Russians? First he was a Novgorod Russi, and then he was a Kievan Russi ok, and why was there a famine on the Polish side? Was Stalin starving there, or was Poland organizing a genocide? Something doesn't fit into the logic at that time. At that time, there were famines in many places, not only in Ukraine, and this is a deliberate distortion of history.
Rather ironic, someone from the USA telling us that Ukraine and Russia are integral parts of Europe and its history. Dear public, here in Europe we know and have always known. What you call "eastern" Europe to us has always been the middle of this part of the continent, which is right called "Eurasia." Asia, 'behind' the Urals is where Asia begins and Europe ends. What speaker tells you about Ukraine goes all the way for Russia too. Calling everything behind Vienna "eastern" is a false and distorting legacy of Churchill's "Iron Curtain."
I couldn't agree more! One always reads that the Mongols, Turks, Soviets "reached the gates of Vienna". Fine, but what about the gates of Sofia? Or Cracow?
Thanks for the academically recognized history of Ukraine, based upon serious research into historic documents, oral traditions, and the arts and architecture.
Ukraine didn’t exists as a country until 1922 Kiev na rusi was a capital city of Russia, then it has been moved to Moscow Russia existed while before he says, Check the Russian city Novgorod’s history
What arts and architecture? Could you point me to these things? Also, the literature? I would love to study it further, as we were not taught it in Slavic Studies at UW for some reason.
The US is old only in the sense that its culture for the most part is an iteration of that of Europe. There are many countries in Europe aside from France and England that existed as unitary kingdoms in the past but were subsumed by empires and then revived as nation states in the modern era. Hungary and Serbia are examples. The Russian Federation in its component nationalities, ethnicities is indeed a millennia old. This lecture is just another propaganda for the side of the State Department and its client, the Maidan Coup Regime.
Exactly my thoughts as I have stated above. Why do Americans always need God on their side? I f there was an interventionist God it would have banished them from our planet long ago to give peace a chance. When Ghandi was asked what he thought of Western Civilisation he said "it would be a good idea". By the way the oldest living culture is that of Australian Aborigines.
@Ya Boi James I was writing in the context of civilizational cultures rather than states which can be seen as too momentary in comparison. Where did "feelings" come into this discussion. I seem to have hurt yours.
For an historian i find it totall mindblowing, bearing in mind the subject. He for got to mention something that Obama neglected to be aware of when let his mouth run off about Kiev being nothing to do with Russia. THAT FACT IS, "KIEV WAS THE CAPITAL CITY OF RUSSIA FOR MANY YEARS," not a point that a good historian would miss out because it played a very big part in both Russia history and in Ukraine history, its one of the main reasons for the best part of the population of Ukraine only speaking Russian, even today most Ukraine words are very close to Russian words with the exeption of a few, so when Obama told Mr. Putin that the Ukraine was nothing to do with Russia he was totally wrong, the same as his statement about AMERICA being older the Europe, what a load of rubish. America was ocupied by people for a loong time before anyone from Europe being there. Even the vikings learn a lot from the occupants ofTurtle island., which is what the true Americans called it, and they numbered into the millions The America of today only started with the invasion by the white man, very late in European history, Europe had been around in the form it is now for a good many years before that happened which makes America the youngest nation on earth, and the most aggresive, they conducted a heavy genocide act on the indian population that coupled with lies and broken promises that have continued to today. America holds the world record for breaking every promise it has ever made, if anyone doubts that try asking a Decota indian just how many agreements were they ripped off with. It is a nation that holds world records, firstly they have started more conflicts around the world than any other nation. They have killed more people than two world wars put together. They are they only people to have used atimic weapons on others non stop to the present day, yes, depleted uranium shells and bombs are atimic weapons, they create the same problems with regards to health. So my advise would be before you say your an historian make double sure you know your history front and back, plus all the bits you would rather not mention because it paints a different picture of the real America than you like.
Ukrainian language is closer to Polish than to Russian, don't spread fakes. Kyiv was a main city in Kyivan Rus only, which not Russia or Ukraine by itself but some sort of ancestors.
@@335isupra really? I know Polish, Ukrainian and Russian languages and know what I am talking about. Also science on my side - - - search about it. My native language is Ukrainian and later I learn Russian and Polish. I think that your native is Russian but you learn Ukrainian in school as state language, and later you learn Polish.
If you add to Russian Federation period of Russian Empire and USSR in that case Russia created more conflicts than USA, because USA will be significantly younger. But if you mean Russia only from 1991 in that case you are right, because Russia will be significantly younger than USA. Time as variable here play significant role
Or the fact that Donbas and Crimea are basically Russia & no longer have any say in Ukrainian government. (Only the US does, but that's beside the point.)
I've met dozense of refugees from Donbas who talked about the neobolshevik degeneracy happening there and were forced to flee. It's "basically Russian" since the moskals finished off the ethnic cleansing projects of Stalin. You probably think Königsberg is ancient Russian territory too.
@@ClamMan1989 Russians built those cities and have been there since the 1700s. There are agrarian Ukrainians there too, and they are, actually, the majority. No one disputes that. If a population is the majority, it obviously has NOT been "ethnically cleansed." Though Ukrainians are fleeing now. I mean, how stupid does a person have to be to argue that the minority "ethnically cleansed" the majority? Not to mention, we are all intermixed at this point. My mother is from Kherson. I think that people who use ethnic slurs pejoratively are truly revolting, by the way.
Timothy Snyder is the best historian regarding Eastern Europe (the lands between warsaw and moscow). Through his speeches, books and papers, you come to realize how the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union were truly a curse on this region. Much admiration to Poles, Balts and Ukrainians !
precicly, this lecture is misleading, Ukrainans were not the Vikings, not the Russ, and they were very small ethnick group in the very west part of what today Ukraine is. Somehow the Moscovites in this lecture apprered out of the blue and dropped on beautiful Ukrainan lands , what a joke..
Stop twisting the history. Cossacks were mainly East Slavs, especially Russian and Ukrainian people. In the 15th century, the term originally described semi-independent Tatar groups which lived on the Dniepr River, which flows through Ukraine, Russia and Belarus.
I'm horriby dissapointed with Snyder - his lecture isn't about going from propaganda to reality, it's about going from one propaganda to another propaganda. He does explain well the holes and faults of Russian propaganda, but he doesn't touch in any way the holes and faults of Ukrainian propaganda. And there are many, many things here like: - The "who financed Maidan?" question. I'm not saying the protesters were being paid, no - but somebody provided material support (supplies) and to this moment it isn't publically known who. - Why is the Ukrainian artillery bombarding civilians in Donetsk, including bombardment using cluster ammunition? (Human Rights Watch info). - Why is Ukraine tolerating neo-nazi elements like the "Azov battalion", why neonazis are allowed into positions of power, like the chief of police in Kiev? I think that he bad things Snyder is telling about Russia are indeed true, but I hate the fact that he obviously uses DOUBLE STANDARDS and doesn't aproach the Ukrainian side of the conflict with the same criticism. Because of that, even though what's he's saying about what's wrong with Russia is true, the whole package is unfortunately biased propaganda, because he doesn't speak about what's wrong with Ukraine. It's very easy to create biased propaganda without any lying - all is needed is to present all the faults of party #1, but without informing about the faults of party #2. And unfortunately, Snyder does that. Summary: It's not "From propaganda to reality". It's "Let's disbelieve Russian propaganda, but believe Ukrainian propaganda instead". I'm perfectly fine with the first part, but completely against the second.
Nice try, Mr. Putin! I financed fucking Maidan, you moron. I took my salary, bought some food and other stuf (like gasoline and oil, haha) and brought it there. And same did like 100 000 of people from all the country. it is CIVIL SOCIETY, but you fucking propaganda bot came here to deny it. "Why is the Ukrainian artillery bombarding civilians in Donetsk" - just portion of bullshit which circulates ONLY in russian-baked media. Human rights Watch DENIED its false report about usage of claster ammunition. You know how do detect putin troll? They all use OBSOLETE information, from their manuals.
His bias and honesty is questionable as he conveniently omitted the likes or Nuland, McCain and Co being involved in the Maidan revolution. Not to mention the intercepted conversations well before the mayhem with Nuland arrogantly stating who should be in power in the Ukrainian government without consulting the EU ("or fuck the EU" as she mentioned).
To those, who disagree, and are not fake accounts from Kremlin troll factories, please bring out the inaccuracies in this speech. Let's discuss them, the importance of the events today is impossible to overestimate. Russian propaganda works with enormous budgets and we, as a society, must discuss things, to find the truth. The consequences of being confused about these events, confused as a society, as voters, will be absolutely tragic on a global scale.
they seized and blockaded the Ukrainians from acting in their own sovereign territory. Putin focuses on how that the number of Russian troops in Crimea was legal under their agreement however he rationalizes the illegal actions they took by calling the entire Ukrainian government illegitimate. Even if that were true that doesn't give Russia the right to physically interfere in Ukrainian sovereignty.
I don't care what Putin thinks. What I want to know how is there NO resistance if Crimeans don't want Russia there. If you lose a place where you have the support of the local population AND 20,000 regular army troops on your side shit.... Even the French put up more resistance to the Germans lol
@@ilyas4161 You are right. For me it has to do with the fact is demographics of culture and national allegiance. Crimea is Russian and so too the Donbas. America's coup precipitated a coup and now Ukraine is in the midst of a civil war. Sevastapol and Crimea are Russian and held referendum to realign with Russia. Donbas and another region want no part of Ukrainian rule over them and are now fighting to become either independent or aligned with Russia. Right now Putin and Biden are going eyeball-to-eyeball and while watching this ridiculous propaganda lecture I have to shake my head. Professor Snyder has created a western narrative and it does not line up with the facts as I have witnessed them over the past decade and the past half century. He is so full of himself that I keep thinking that he will slowly rise up from the lectern and float on out into the hallway, his rapt ignorant audience gleefully following his nauseating voice. In the future I will avoid Timothy Snyder like the Covid. The truth, the reality of Ukraine et al can be found in the excellent YT post of September 2017, a lecture: "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? featuring John Mearsheimer, the University of Chicago R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in Political Science and Co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago.
I am wondering why an American is being called "the world’s leading historian of Eastern Europe." I also wonder why he never mentions how the Crimean War fits into the history, even in the taped survey course he gave last academic year at Yale. To be clear, I admire Dr. Snyder as a brilliant writer and recommend his literature to anyone interested. I just want to temper the hype of this public intellectual precisely because he is a public intellectual.
1) He for got to mention that after new election same oligarchs come to power in Ukraine 2) Private army also use same camouflage by hundreds. 3)Victoria Nuland with cookies on Maidan was not true? Numerous time visiting Kiev is not true? 4) Nice catch on word "Maidan" being of not European or Slavic, but Persian or Muslim origin 5) Describe it from the money point of view: Should US have same (proportional to its economy of cause) limit for spending as every other country in the world, or FRS can print as it wishes. In other word should your civil society create some kind of WORLD BANK and world currency and take printing power from FRS and dollar? 6) Ukrainian Right Sector burned alive over 100 people in Odessa's Trade Union building on May 2 and they are not fascists? Which reality are you living in?
Surghenko Andrey You have a point. However, what name should Americans use in their discussions of Austria or Bavaria. Should it be Vienna, or Wien? Munich, or Munchen (with U-umlaut)?
1) that is why russia started war? 2) what? 3) are you serious? cookies bother you that much? 4) so what? 5) what again? 6) thtat's a lie. there were far less victims first of all, and then the case is so unsure that we cant realy tell what was the reason of those people deaths and what caused fire. on the other hand we have house of trade unions in kyiv with wounded protesters burned alive by the riot police during the days of maidan.
What about western propaganda? Or western point of view "a priori" is truth? And if in Ukraine has been revolution of "civil society" why in power now the same oligarchs (from other clans)?
I think this is exactly what he touches on when he says this attitude of relativism comes from misconceived ideals of objectivity in Western media. (See: the 5 talking heads example, which is something often employed by FOX, MSNBC, and countless others) But just because the west does it as well doesn't mean it's good, or that we should accept and support it. I think this arrogance of undefined ideals and murky value projection is exactly what the talk criticizes, implicitly - and it's a concern that many in Europe and North America share. I can assure you of that.
***** Maybe I'm missed something, my English far from good. But I thought that Timothy Snyder proceeds from the american exceptionalism. What if Russians actions is simply reaction against Western pressure? Yes, Russians are attempting break down Western unity, but hasn't West attempted to break down Russia and overthrow russian government (by supporting various democratic organizations)? And Russians actions in Ukraine may be reply on Western's strategy in Eastern Europe. It's really geopolitical and there is no fight of good and evil.
+Dmitry Lecter That's OK, your English seems absolutely fine to me :) Snyder, at least in this speech, makes an argument against one-sided perceptions. Whether American or Russian, he's saying that if someone intentionally views (and shows) the world from a single perspective, it will lead to the truth being left out. I don't think this, or the way he delivers it, has anything to do with American exceptionalism (which, as an American, I agree is a horrible, horrible thing). Now, to make something clear: I'm sure there are pro-democracy NGOs in Russia funded by the US. I'm also sure there are many who (officially or not) are an opposition to Putin. But you have to acknowledge that there are also patriotic, smart Russians, in Russia, who believe in democracy and will work for it ( either in a pro-dem NGO or some other way). And I find it highly unlikely (and, as of yet, unproven) that the only reason american civil society organizations fund Russian civil society organizations is to be politically active. Quite often the reason they do it is because they want better research from the region or because they genuinely feel that their activities help people regardless of their nationality. American civil society is not the same as our government - it's important that you respect that. And still, my point stands: having been harmed in the past (and I agree that NATO expanded too fast, etc) doesn't mean you should disregard all rules and norms today. The same way you don't have to be fascist and nazi to support a Ukrainian state, you don't have to be Russian to recognize that Russia was left to rot for the last 20-25 years. It's ok to have strong reactions against Western pressure, but it's not OK to start a bloody land war without taking any responsibility. It's dishonest. There are people in the west who respect and admire Russia, but Putin & co are losing their support incredibly fast. And they're doing so while harming Russians, too. I think this is why so many in the west simply can't understand the Russian point of view in this: our traditions tell us that the nation isn't the same as its leader and that being critical of power is a good thing. Putin is telling Russians never to question him and to equate Russia, Russians, and himself. And when you say geopolitics, it makes it seem like there's no Ukraine to talk about - only Russia and America. And this is exactly what's wrong with this kind of talk, as Snyder says in his lecture. I think that's harmful.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism is classic propaganda tactic. russians always begin like this: "You say we kill people, but what about you?" it's very childish but it works, beware
"How the hell can you have a conversation..." easily. you just have to make your point without "what about you?" that's quite obvious that when you say "there is western propaganda too" you in no way deny anything snyder said. Just because there is nothing you can say but "what about you?"
I totally enjoyed it. Interesting thing is that I'm aware of all this stuff since I'm a Ukrainian, but the way Timothy lined all things out was like some kind of intellectual symphony. Another thing i liked, that he pointed out intellectual and philosophical layer of all this, which is kind of obvious, but always seem to slip away, especially when your country is in state of war. When mortars, shells and rockets are fired, and people are dying every day you tend to react with your spine not your brain. PS I want to stress out the fact, that paid russian english speaking trolls on payroll are occupying each and every video about Ukraine (even absolutely non-related to the ongoing conflict), so be aware.
I´m German living in Berlin. Here´s my E-Mail my friend: st.boehme@gmx.de And: My english is quite poor... And: I´m writing with my real name... Who are you?
Stefan Böhme I have no problem with you being German. I never used my real name in the internet. and I'm not going to. i live in Kyiv, Ukraine. Still thousands of russian trolls on payroll are in the internet. It not some kind of paranoid fantasie, there were some emailing leaked from people who are organizing this, they are making special manuals of how to do it. Basically it is a mix of propaganda cliches and classical "trolling". People are paid "by comment" for doing this. PS; My German is definitely worse than your English.
This historical accounting seems to be rather flawed and missed so many actions by other countries it could have been given by the CIA. For instance you seem to have misunderstood that the uprising against the pro - soviet leader was not down to him being against joining the EU, he tried to join but he was rebuffed just as Zelenskyy was encouraged to join but was not accepted. You paint the police as violently trying to prevent the uprising but those watching the protests could see that the police were unarmed and were pelted with Molotov cocktails and the armed Maidan Fascists had weapons and were shooting both police and protestors from the back of the crowds. Furthermore the protests were real but were taken over by armed fascist groups trained and armed by the USA and who were using extreme violence against leftist organizations. All of us who watched the Nazis burn down the building housing unionist and see people burn or jump to their death while police did nothing to stop this clear message that those opposing the US engineered coup would be intimidated or killed. Oh yes we heard Veronica Nuland and Jeffrey Pyatt discussing who they would put in the Government and the roles these people would play when the US Government had taken over the Ukrainian Government. Let's not pretend that the coup was a natural uprising by the people. We also heard that Nuland cursed the little support of the EU and pointed out the USA had put $50 million dollars into the coup. Funny how people have very different memories of history and where the USA is involved there is always a lot of amnesia around their recollections.
Update your speech Ivan.. The "pro-soviet" was not pro or against..he couldn't be since the whole ruckus was about an association and trade with the EU not membership.. You talk about accounting being flawed but you do not know the most basic and primary facts..Hell..you don't even know that the Soviet Union no longer exists!
Thanks for this account which is to my opinion an accurate one and is backed by many facts. All ukrainian governments after the coup did their best to create a massive propaganda of those events writing it down into history books and people's minds likewise as a glorious expression of the prople's will to become a democratic country. Still not their btw. Never were heading their. For me (I am ukrainian) the war started right there and it is one between the US and Russia. But on the ukrainian ground and fought by ukrainians who pay for this politics of the corrupt few by their lives. SAD
Slight correction here Mr. Historian, The mongols didn't Wipe out the RUS. The RUS under Alexander Nevsky seceded (in today's St. Petersburg). And Yaroslav II fled under Alexander's umbrella, when the Mongols razed Kiev.
As a Ukrainian civilian, I do not like the government that tries to bestow one nationality-only mindset when the population is ripped in half regarding nationality, political views, and language. This talk speaks of Ukrainians as a whole is false when the question of walking into EU was not agreed upon by the entirety. These shootings happened between politically divided civilians, the oust of demo elected president is not seen as a positive by many since it lead areas of Ukraine separate against the justified "Revolution," they view it as a "Maidan coup."
I don't like when Ukrainians share Russian propaganda. Yanukovich wasn't ousted, he ran away to Russia by himself. The Donbas region wasn't pro-Russian that much and most of the separatist leaders were Russian like Strelkov, creep like Motorolla, or crook like Pushilin. So it's clear, that majority of the anti-EU population was created under Rusian of Ukrainian pro-Russian propaganda. Their arguments against the EU are imaginary and emotional, not rational. Like legalization of gay marriages or abortion is a problem, but looking at Poland you can see how miserable it sounds.
@@JabaBolotna I'm not a fan of Western propaganda and cancel cultural. Not a fan of anyone who acts as if they lived in a Donbas region or Crimea to claim facts over the people who are actually from there. To each their own.
I have a lot of respect for Ukraine and Timothy Snyder. However where i, to a degree ,disagree with Timothy and maybe Aristotle is his view of War as a viable, in some cases necessary extention of Politics .Whatever the result of this War it will effect, affect even infect us all. Very good lecture
Very very biased view and interpretation of history. Different way of seeing what happens but but lack some basic facts originated since 2nd world war thta explains much better the situation. Interesting view but poor analisys and conclusions. Just falls short of explaining Russia actions.
He's explaining them now. It's because Putin is evil, according to him and we expected him to behave rationally. We were too kind to Putin. He's a joke. How do morons like that become professors? Give lectures? Teach others?
One strange and disturbing part of the human condition is that our perceptions and beliefs about the world do tend to manifest in objective reality. Just because something is not true does not mean that it will not happen. In fact the more counterfactual these beliefs are the more likely they are to become reality. Now, the above statements this might sound a little crazy so let's give some concrete examples. So lets assume that we have person A who believes that the government is out to get him. Without knowing any of the specifics in this case we can conclude that the beliefs of person A are either 1. True. As in the case where A lives in East Germany and holds from the governments point of view deviant beliefs. In this case A's beliefs correspond to reality. This is also the best possible outcome because A's correct judgement will prevent him from doing anything stupid. With a little luck A might even end up in West Germany. 2. False. As in the case where A lives in Iceland. In this case A has misjudged the situation. A's beliefs are false but the stronger he believes in them being true the greater the likelihood of the government locking him up in a mental institution. A's beliefs may be false but this does not mean that the government will do him no harm. And so it is with international relations. The Russian government has correctly or incorrectly judged the EU to be an enemy. In the case where the EU is an actual enemy they have made a correct decision. This does not mean that Russia will become victorious but at least they have correctly recognized a threat and acted accordingly. However in the case where they have made an incorrect judgement they have now made the EU an actual enemy. You cannot treat the EU or any large and powerful states like the US as an enemy and not produce a hostile response. If Russia's goal is to destroy the EU then regardless of how EU previously saw the situation they will at the very least make the destruction of the Russian government a priority. Threats of this kind are not to be taken lightly.
thing is that the only way russia will succeed in destroying EU and USA is by launching nukes. In any other case - all put 9 to 1 , that russia will fail as a Country. The only way for it to survive is to back up and start playing by the rules.
Wu Tang Ghostface Killah There is no universe in which launching nukes will save Russia. They might as well blow their own brains out. This would be my personal solution, because you will not want to experience what will happen next. Those remaining hours, days or even months you will not want.
TheTigerbomb2 you know. I fight sometimes, on the streets. I punch people right in their faces (when successful). So I know the difference beetween punching people because they harassing other people and punching people because you want to take their wallet. So, basically, fuck you. Got it?
Wu Tang Ghostface Killah No. I don't get it. So fuck you too. Next time you comment I suggest you read your comment two, three or perhaps in your case four times. Propaganda is useless if nobody understands what the fuck you are saying. Got it?
I used to watch RT sometimes before it was banned and I've never seen the panels of 5 people, each with 5 accounts of what's happened. This statement by this random dude really makes me think that this guy is just making his confused audience settle in and enjoy the comfort of the official narrative. To discourage you to do your own research.
Yea watch something sometimes and when you don't see what he describes they have never done that. Excellent Argument. I also watch RT sometimes, because i do my own research. And these formats he describes exist. But far more imported the Basic Concept is used a lot. It is often that you see not in One Panel a lot of different Arguments. But that the come up with different explanations each day. The result is exactly the same.
I've watched a lot of RT and never seen those or other '5 guys' either. In fact I've seen commentators from all countries, politicians, military people etc. particularly Americans who speak their minds and are not interrupted too. Very diverse opinions from not the usual suspects.
Some is right most is wrong. He left out the whole russification period of Catherine and Peter And in the 2000s the EU did what hilter did and looked east for gas and grain. But it could never let Ukraine join as it would bankrupt the EU. So they meddled and funded neo naughties The maidan was hijacked by the west and armed elements until the coup. But it remained well into the new regime which brutally put it down. The west funded and forced two revolutions on the majority who voted against it.
At 10:43, he's wrong. Some European nations are old, some are very new. This lie that he's repeated comes from an Allied decision in 1918, primarily from the British Propaganda Department.
The only way he's even tangentially right on that part is the artificial divisions through ethnic pockets by the "winners" of the world wars, where they deliberately divided people to keep nations weak via internal conflict... and some they outright invented by force (Kosovo)
While mentioning significant dates he conveniently forgot to mention 1783 when Catherine the Great established the Russian naval port of Sevastopol in Crimea. There's plenty that appears to have been "missed".
Mmm, I’m a layman & have what I hope is a healthy scepticism about learn’ed academics & their opinions. This was quite interesting but no mention of the fact that when Gorbachev agreed to the re-unification of Germany, Bush senior promised him on behalf of the American people, that NATO would not move any further east towards Russia, fast forward to today, & there are American troops in Ukraine managing their U.S. made missile defence system ! For such a young country the U.S.A. has an un-enviable track record of starting wars, invading sovereign states, assassinating political opponents, causing more death & destruction than any other state in human history 😖 Oh yeh, & lest we forget, they now have a “Space Force” with the goal of achieving “ Full Spectral Dominance” of planet earth 🤬 Bury my heart at wounded knee 🦬🏹
Any link on this so called promise? Was that some sort of written document? I never heard Gorbachev ever talking about that. It just feels like something, that people, who love to blame the US for everything not good that happens on this world mention, something Putin LOVES to talk about, but I am yet to see any evidence that this is something real.
You forgot to mention that back there when it was no Ukraine and no Moscowia, the language before and after christian conversion was Ukrainian. So, is not weird? No territorial nation, but the whole population spoke old Ukrainian (Ruthenian). Russia and Poland tried to eliminate Ukrainian language, to polonize and rusificate the entire nation: banned the language, destroyed Ukrainian academy, banned books in Ukrainian, replaced Ukrainian speaking people from their rightful territories. But we are still here, and will be here. Right now Ukraine try to survive the new attempt to genocide. Ones again.
Ukrainian survive genocide ?? You have been swallowing too much western propaganda straight down without thinking, or you have to bee azov or fahrright person in Ukraine. Are you aware of Ukrainian military azov killing thousands of Russian speak citizens in Ukraine since 2014, are you aware of Zelinsky forced Russian speak children speak Ukrainian in schools `? Are you aware of US trained Ukrainian military azov same years as Ukrainian military azov working with genocide on russian speak citizens 8 years before Russia went in ? Are you aware of US helped ukrainian military azov bombing russian speak regions in Ukraine with drones Desember 2021 ? Are you aware of Billionaire zelensky kicked out 11 parties in Ukrainian Parlament couple month ago, only keeps fahrright nazzis ? ZelinUSpuppet fighting for democratic Ukraine ? Western media totally silent, dont mention his best friend corrupt Obligarch Kolomoyski who funded his presiden campaign, missing billions from Ukraine Bank. Suddenly Zelinsky got super rich, not strange US have a tight grip around Zelinsky ball´s. Everybody see he is under US command. US training azov, reminding me of middle east wars. Zelinsky are only a false western media made hero, truth about Ukraine are spreading out. Russia had to denazifie Ukraine, genocide had to stop. Western media closed their eyes for 8 years because US wanted to job in Ukraine undisturbed.
Worst now, are Ukrainian military does not care about Russian speak citizens. We all see how Ukrainian military uses civilians as human shield in every village and city, Azovstaal and azot factory showed all how they using civilians as human shield. They even tried to exchange hostages for food, just unbelievable. We all see military hides in every city among civilians, see Odessa and Kyiv. Not any Ukrainian military azov who building up any defence system around citys to protect their citizens or infrastructure, they building military bases inside appartements and public buildings. Western mainstream media support it, they blame Russia for killing civilians, Zelinsky know all military are legit target, still he hides his military azov behind civilians. Because western mainstream media helping Zelinsky crying for more weapons and money, because it Russias fault he are hiding his military behind civilians. Unbelievable to witnesses this insanity, never seen so much lies ever in media.
American historians need to educate themselves. I see this often - "Cyril and Methodius invented Church Slavonic language". Factually, they invented an alphabet called the Glagolitic. NO ONE CAN INVENT A LANGUAGE.
Very good and precise speech. I'm native Ukrainian, active revolution participant and middle class representative and I agree with everything he said. Literally. I'm surprised with such deep understanding. Awesome.
What is more remarkable about what he said is what he did not say. About Ukraine's history during WW2. Propaganda thru omission is still propaganda even though that which is spoken seems to make perfect sense. To leave out the horrible event at Babi Yar and the murderous rampage against Poles during the war and the well documented role of the Asov battalion seems to indicate a strong revisionist history going on here. As for a history lesson of Ukraine it had more value but his analysis us severely biased towards Euro leaning nationalists in western Ukraine, long associated with the Austro- Hungarian influence and modern Germany. In fact the western city of Lviv was called Lemburg and Ukraine was part of various empires which left the western part against Russia and the eastern part pro Russia the main contention of this war. He says very little if anything substantial about this.
@@dennisa946 Could be as they planned this war for decades.. Kissinger was saying in early 90s that their biggest achievment will be war between two slavic nations of Russia and Ukraine.
I started to watch this because at the start he seemed like a knowledgable, no nonsense kind of commentator. By the middle, i learnt that he is not. By the end, i concluded that he is dangerous. This friendly professor Is the same face of propaganda feeding a false interpretation of history on impressionable young people.
Wow. I found Synder's description of the Russian strategy to be projection: he could be describing US strategy. US fomented and armed Ukrainian factions in a civil war which has expanded into a proxy war.
If there are three dodgy assumptions in the first sentence of the video description, how can I trust the claim that Timothy Snyder is the "world's leading historian of Eastern Europe"? Those shouting "propaganda" the loudest are often upset that their antithetical propaganda isn't the only hogwash out there, and Snyder is no exception. Case in point, his rant against "post-modern stuff" at 48:30. He thinks discussion between several people with multiple viewpoints trivializes important events; turning them into "nothing" . How that conclusion can be drawn from what he said we will never know but, regardless, what alternative is there other than promoting one explanation for the event? This explanation will probably be unproven (no-one knows what happened to MH17), and I expect it will be one that he regards as "reality"? Snyder is fighting for propaganda, not against it. It's a shame that someone this biased, with no concept of what distinguishes politically desirable assumptions from evidence-based facts, could be teaching at a prestigious university. Put this man in a science class. It will make him a better historian.
"Until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Ukraine had never been an independent state." Ever " Borderland: A Journey Through The History Of Ukraine".1999 Ethnic Russians lived on this land long before Bolsheviks created the Soviet Ukraine in place of Southern Governorates of Russian Empire, Bolsheviks created Ukrainian Soviet Republic in factitious, artificial boundaries , with Russian speaking areas such as Donbass, the industrial hub of Russian Empire, included in it. With the following forceful Ukrainization of Ethnic Russians in Ukraine in compliance with "Korenizatsiya", meaning literally - putting down the roots aimed at strengthening Soviet Power in the area..
Not true! Ukraine would have been independent for a long time but Stalin had other ideas. It was independent after the Russian revolution of 1917 or so until over ran by Stalin’s USSR
@@jfryer485 Artificial Soviet Republic of Ukraine was created by Bolsheviks in artificial boundaries in 1922, it was one of the Soviet Socialist Republics, it was an integral part of the Soviet Union, with centralized system of management and State Governmental Planning. Since the time of Russian Empire, the Southern Governorates of Russia, Donbass, the industrial hub of Empire, ( in 1922 included by Bolsheviks in republic Ukraine ) these Southern territories of Russian Empire were intensely developed, influenced by location, climate, proximity to the Black Sea with its ports and cities built by Russia, long before Bolsheviks created Ukraine. Before the Soviet Ukraine emerged "by the virtue" of Bolsheviks, the short lived "Ukrainian People's Republic" was proclaimed originally. Read "New York Times", 1918. article "Dismembered Russia- Some of the Fragments" - briefly about Collapse of Russian Empire and New Nations on its remnants, "New Nation - Ukraine", as a fragment of Russian Empire after the Revolution. Some important facts about this "New Nation - Ukraine" within 1917 - 1921: There were endless "Military conflicts between different governmental, political and military forces: Ukrainian nationalists, anarchists, Bolsheviks, the forces of Germany and Austria-Hungary, the White Russian Volunteer Army, and Second Polish Republic forces. The Allied forces of Romania and France also became involved. The struggle lasted from February 1917 to November 1921 and resulted in the division of Ukraine between the Bolshevik Ukrainian SSR, Poland, Romania, Chechoslovakiа. The conflict is frequently viewed as one within the framework of the Southern Front of the Russian Civil War of 1917-1922, as well as the closing stage of the Eastern Front of the First World War of 1914-1918." Wikipedia English provides reliable data with references and external links..
@@larisasayenko1604 Yes, so basically you agree that there has been Ukraine as a country before its recent declaration as an independendent nation over thirty years ago. Last time it got swallowed up by USSR agression. This time it is being swallowed up by Russia in the power of a Russian criminal with no right to rule Russia let alone Ukraine. In fact in light of it earlier experience it had a guarantee of respect and safety from Yeltsin, which has been dishonoured several times, 2004, 2014 and now 2022 by Putin. After the first World War the maps were changed a lot. Today we live in a world where International Law respects sovereign nations. This means the situation of the war between Ukraine and Russia is serious not just for the 15 million displaced and deported Ukrainian families but involves the whole world once more. Putin has the chance to withdraw from all occupied Ukraine territory or most likely inflict more horrors on the modern world.
@@jfryer485 it was only proclaimed as a New Nation, but it was not capable to function to establish itself as an Independent State, it was a time of War, every new coming day there was a new ruling government and the new political power in Kiev, it was a failed State from the beginning it was swallowed not but Stalin but by the chaos, disarray and disorder, wich followed absolutely logically and naturally by collapse and disintegration, and it was split between Poland, Checkoslovakia and Romania, it was the territory of the Russian Empire, and in absolutely natural way certain part stayed with the Motherland Russia. As a Ukrainian Soviet Republic. As an integral part of the Soviet Union. Neither Poland nor Romania or Checkoslovakia, they did not provide any kind of autonomy to the fragments of this "New Nation" which became newly appropriated parts of their States. And only in the Red Russian Empire in the Soviet Union Ukraine get status of Republic in 1922, And thus, again: "Until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Ukraine had never been an independent state." Ever " Borderland: A Journey Through The History Of Ukraine".1999
The current USA war in Syria and the 2019 "Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act", for example, pose a problem for some of Prof Snyder's benevolent arguments about the USA. In 2014, the problem was not known, nor did have the developments it has today. It is understandable. Thanks Prof Snyder, anyway for the Brilliant way you summarized and explained of Ukraine's problems, in Hystory perspective. Never the less, I bet more on efficiency in "solving" the problem, in Mearsheimer's political science perspective.
@Jon Little I think you're right. But unfortunately for the Romantics - all of us - propaganda only trumps doctrines when we refer to doctrines that do not underlie force. The USA give names to things, after those who invent it, Monroe, one example. Russians are more closed, they are just honest and face-to-face, and say what they admit, and what they don't admit. If Ukraine was located in Panama, or in Cuba, and it crossed his mind to "put-Chinese-or-Russian-missiles-at-the-USA-door"... he he he... cabum for sure, nuclear, if necessary, no doubt.
@Jon Little He he he ... folks are not states. Try to say to mongols (in 1245), they where illegals, or immoral, or criminals. Powers (and Super Powers), are not good company. Mexico is comprehensive to that. The solution for people (not for country's) is change geography, go to another place. In Mexico case great number of Mexicans (and a great number of south american's), do that. If Ukrainians don't like geography, they have no more rights, than Panamanians, Nicaraguans, and so on.
@Jon Little Wrong. Who go out of Minsk was Ukraine. Who sign in reserve, was Ukraine. And let me say, here, I'm not war adept. Not of Russia, not of Ukraine. My north is, Russia is a great power. I understand that loud and clear (is not my wish, is the reality I see). And Ukraine is going to be smashed down, erased, USA don't care. This war, is not Yours war. You don't need to bee killed in USA interests name. This is my north. Not mooch Ukrainians.
Okay, up until like min 30-32 I was interested and though “maybe he has a point”, “let me write this down to verify the info” etc. But at min 39 I was like “how is this nonsense can be told with a straight face by an academic”?! Edit: Done some basic search on the presenter. He calls Putin’s politics “schizo-fascism”, which explains his skewed view on the matter for me. Take this talk with a big grain of salt, since in the end there are less and less facts and more and more interpretations (through a specific speaker’s viewpoint)
True. Right now Putin and Biden are going eyeball-to-eyeball and while watching this ridiculous propaganda lecture I have to shake my head. Professor Snyder has created a western narrative and it does not line up with the facts as I have witnessed them over the past decade and the past half century. He is so full of himself that I keep thinking that he will slowly rise up from the lectern and float on out into the hallway, his rapt ignorant audience gleefully following his nauseating voice. In the future I will avoid Timothy Snyder like the Covid. The truth, the reality of Ukraine et al can be found in the excellent YT post of September 2017, a lecture: "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? featuring John Mearsheimer, the University of Chicago R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in Political Science and Co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago.
@@jereuter01 Surprisingly, I've found Mearsheimer to be the only "alternative voice" on the topic of Ukraine. If you know any other good speakers that are not biased towards the "Western values are the only truth", please let me know 🙏🏻
The first document that mentions a person by nationality as a Ukrainian dates back to 1660. This is a record of a student from Kyiv in Padua, Italy, as a representative of the "Ukrainian nation" Joz. Daniel Dzik, vicaryuz katedralny lucki «natione Vkrainensis de districtu Kiiouiensi. That is, "Ukrainian from the Kyiv region", or if according to the original of the first intelligence and translation from the excellent researcher G. Nudgy: "Yosef Danylo Dzik, cathedral vicar of Lutsk, nationality - Ukrainian, Kyiv district."
Alex Istinspring Once again, I am writing in response to Cadet Alex Istinspring's expositions, and once again, I merely wish to point out that Tartuffism has nothing to do with Fabianism. But first, I'm going to jump ahead a bit and talk in general terms about how Alex could use some etiquette lessons. Then, I'll back up and fill in some of the details. Okay, so to start with the general stuff, I have a scientist's respect for objective truth. That's why I'm telling you that Alex is malevolent, disreputable, and balmy and shows no inclination to change. Do I blame society for this? No, I blame Alex. He maintains that he values our perspectives. That's not just a lie but is actually the exact opposite of the truth-and Alex knows it. Why is Alex deliberately turning the truth on its head like that? This can be answered most easily by stating that Alex's paroxysms are more than just despicable. They're a revolt against nature.To quote the prophet Isaiah, “Woe to ye who flout all of society's rules”. By refusing to act, by refusing to stand up and fight for our heritage, traditions, and values, we are giving Alex the power to restructure the social, political, and economic relationships that exist throughout our entire society. He's a model of wanton sleaze, a perfect picture of ingratitude, a paradigm of recidivism. As such, Alex is reluctant to resolve problems. He always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that if this letter did nothing else but serve as a beacon of truth, it would be worthy of reading by all right-thinking people. However, this letter's role is much greater than just to shed the light of truth on the evil that is Alex. If Alex's self-deceiving slurs became more widespread, it would spell the ruination of this country.Would we, as thinking people, believe swindlers who tried to tell us we're all heartless? I say “no.” I appreciate feedback and other people's views on subjects. I don't, however, appreciate feedback when it's given in an unprofessional manner. In Alex's limited horizon he himself is the important object. As a sequence to this self-conceit, he imagines that the only way to expand one's mind is with drugs-or maybe even chocolate. We therefore need to explain to him that his opinions raise a number of brow-furrowing questions. I'm referring to questions such as, “What is his secret agenda?” It's questions like that that surely get people thinking about how Alex's factotums very much belong to an intellectual closed shop. They refuse to entertain the possibility that if we let Alex sow the seeds of terrorism we'll be reaping the crop for quite a long time.I've observed at least one of Alex's devotees calling for a return to that which wasn't particularly good in the first place. This is absolutely indicative of the unprofessional, ungracious, and unacceptable behavior that is so endemic to Alex's junta. Dadaism is a kind of prison. It is also, paradoxically, a haven. It is at once confining and empowering. And in the absence of alternative havens, Dadaism will for many of Alex's understrappers continue to be a source of comfort, something to free them from having to confront the fact that I, for one, have seen numerous lethargic, stentorian used-car salesmen effectuate the downfall of all that is decent and civilized. What's sad is that Alex tolerates (relishes?) this flagrant violation of democratic principles and the rule of law. That just goes to show that in the midst of our mighty struggle to provide an atmosphere of mutual respect, free from Bulverism, materialism, and all other forms of prejudice and intolerance, I have seen too many people stand on the sidelines and mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities. I have watched too many people accept without challenge Alex's crotchety, cynical claim that he's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live. And I have observed too many people fail to realize that I find it necessary, if I am to meet my reader on something like a common ground of understanding, to point out that you may be worried that Alex will plunge us into the vortex of militarism within a short period of time. If so, then I share your misgivings. But let's not worry about that now. Instead, let's discuss my observation that Alex has planted his janissaries everywhere. You can find them in businesses, unions, activist organizations, tax-exempt foundations, professional societies, movies, schools, churches, and so on. Not only does this subversive approach enhance Alex's ability to force women to live by restrictive standards not applicable to men, but it also provides irrefutable evidence that he does not tolerate any view that differs from his own. Rather, Alex discredits and discards those people who contradict him along with the ideas that they represent.Before you know it, Alex will find a country in the midst of a civil war, install a ramshackle provisional government, and instruct that government to force us to tailor our crusades just to suit his crass whims. Sounds pretty subversive, doesn't it? But is it any more so than Alex's immature treacheries? One might conclude that he spews lies as easily as a squid squirts ink. Alternatively, one might conclude that one task that rests on all of our shoulders is to reveal some shocking facts about his complaints. In either case, I am truly at a loss for words when he asserts that a book's value to the reader is somehow influenced by the color of the author's skin. He can't possibly be serious. I suspect that the real story here is that I'm not in the habit of giving advice to Alex's bilious worshippers. However, there's always a first time: You guys should stop advocating fatalistic acceptance of a duplicitous new world order. I, not being one of the many irascible, gruesome stumblebums of this world, admit I don't have much confidence that they'll follow that advice, but it's important to make it known that there are some basic biological realities of the world in which we live. These realities are doubtless regrettable, but they are unalterable. If Alex finds them intolerable and unthinkable, the only thing that I can suggest is that he try to flag down a flying saucer and take passage for some other solar system, possibly one in which the residents are oblivious to the fact that Alex and his conveniently bribed allies have been embarking on wholesale torture and slaughter of innocent civilians. As bad as that is, it represents only the thin end of the wedge. Sometime soon, Alex will likely insult my intelligence. Now that you've read my entire letter, I hope you've concluded that my plan to challenge Cadet Alex Istinspring's victim-blaming ideology is deserving of serious consideration. IN SHORT
All was good - until the speaker started to talk about modern Ukraine and Russia. Top down approach to history can be dangerous. Bottom up approach is the one any Historian has to follow.
The history about Polish march-past is fake; I know it supposed to be a joke, but actually joint Polish-Ukrainian forces that entered Kyiv were massive, so there was no need for such a trick
I agree but it is funny how much emotion the good professor waste, knowing that US propaganda is doing it routinely. Karma catches up with US. But US never is wrong, isn't it? Laughable!
His view was questioned by Marlène Laruelle, Research Professor at The George Washington University, who accused Snyder of "distortions, inaccuracies, and selective interpretations."[19] She wrote: Contrary to [Snyder's] claims, the Kremlin does not live in an ideological world inspired by Nazi Germany, but in one in which the Yalta decades, the Gorbachev-Yeltsin years, and the collapse of the Soviet Union still constitute the main historical referents and traumas.[35]
I loved the history lesson, but what I am missing is the complete lack of mentioning any US interest and interference. These types of presentations seem so biased without taking an objective standpoint of view for both sides! I would also love to hear this guys take on the US invasion of the middle east...
Jc40k Russian fantasy? Hard to judge the russians so harshly when the US is the head of the sanctions, sending equipment to the Ukranian military in april www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/05/us-sending-advisers-gear-to-ukraine-/10046845/, then further increasing it in November www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/21/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-exclusive-idUSKCN0J426U20141121 and with recently leaked documents shows that it's a lot more aid and not only "non-lethal" than officially stated. (although newly leaked documents need to be confirmed before jumping to conclusions) cyber-berkut.org/en/ and all of that is just the tip of the iceberg. People need to wake up and realize that there is no "good" guy vs "bad" guy here and start opening their eyes beyond mainstream media. The propoganda from both sides is horrifying.
DalianDK Well look at that - more "non-lethal aid" in the form of 100 tanks www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/2/us-army-sending-100-tanks-eastern-europe-deter-rus/
DalianDK are u here to spread lies or you are just inattentive? I mean the link with the tanks. Tanks were sent to enforce NATO not Ukrainian military. Reagrding mentioning "US interest" wasn't it to much for one lecture? And russias interests are kind of obvious, with all that tanks and missile systems (thousands of them) and occupied territories (Crimea). So do you think couple of US military advisers and some non-lethal weapons is symmetrical? BTW sending advisers and non lethal weapons is LEGAL and invading territories and supporting terrorism - is not. PS. I'm not going to argue on US middle east activities since I do not know the background, but in this case of Ukrane I do very good, since I live here.
First of all I would like to offer you my sympathy and I hope that the conflict in your country will be soon resolved in a peaceful manner. Sometimes people in the middle of the conflict are the most blinded ones by the chaos and confusion that ensues with these events. Especially in these times where wars have become so hidden from the public, it is hard to see through propoganda (coming from both sides) and truly see what activities are being undertaken in the hidden light (of both sides). Time plays no role until both sides to an argument have been fairly and objectively presented. Imagine a lecture on i.e. fast-food which only presents the good nutritional value of fast-food, the low cost of producing it, how many people it can feed, how easy and promptly obtainable it is etc... and then completely leave out all the negative aspects. That's what I feel like this lecture was - one-sided! You say state-supported terrorism is a bad thing, well, I would recommend you to do some research on these saviors of yours before you put all your faith in them. www.alternet.org/world/35-countries-where-us-has-supported-fascists-druglords-and-terrorists
Right now Putin and Biden are going eyeball-to-eyeball and while watching this ridiculous propaganda lecture I have to shake my head. The truth, the reality of Ukraine et al can be found in the excellent YT post of September 2017, a lecture: "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? featuring John Mearsheimer, the University of Chicago R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in Political Science and Co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago.
lol, don't listen this imbecile. If you want to know history better to read wiki instead of take this propagandist clown seriously. And a LOT, a LOT are so dumb that can't even check the facts this "historian" spreading in a way Goebbels could be proud.
***** Nice try. That is exactly what the guy just lecrured us about. "this man lies"? "yes I do, but EVERYBODY does that". Thing is that it is NOT TRUE.
I guess an honest historian is something that is hardly existent. Historians of all times have been busy to satisfy their masters writing down what they have been ordered and interpreting the past the way the order was saying it should be interpreted. Yet this outrageous interpretation of European history is exemplary in it's falsehood, boldness, hypocrisy, and bigotry. If Yale's Mr. Snyder is the beast of Yale's historian department, I feel sorry for Ya\e's students because all they can learn from people like that is conformism and bending over backwards for the 30 silver pieces of grants. Shame!
so, if you are going to post such a claim, you should at least list with some substance at least three, if not more, major falsehoods, hypocrisies and bigoted statements he makes, one by one and offer your non-rhetorical critique of each - please, I am interested . . . .
Right now Putin and Biden are going eyeball-to-eyeball and while watching this ridiculous propaganda lecture I have to shake my head. Professor Snyder has created a western narrative and it does not line up with the facts as I have witnessed them over the past decade and the past half century. He is so full of himself that I keep thinking that he will slowly rise up from the lectern and float on out into the hallway, his rapt ignorant audience gleefully following his nauseating voice. In the future I will avoid Timothy Snyder like the Covid. The truth, the reality of Ukraine et al can be found in the excellent YT post of September 2017, a lecture: "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? featuring John Mearsheimer, the University of Chicago R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in Political Science and Co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago.
Yes it is awful and reactionary but no doubt he is a true believer in what he is saying. It's a bit contradictory though that he talks about democracy and propaganda and then suggests that it would be better to give only one version of events, ie his own, ie 'the truth', rather than five competing versions like RT, ie a debate that invites the viewer to think.
well then he took the price from Chrystya Freland, the granddaughter of a Nazi collaborator who printed his newspapers on the equipment of a Jew who died in the gas chambers, whom he handed over to the Nazis - everything became clear with Schnyder. He is an omnivore
This historical rendition by Snyder on the Ukraine is very confusing.....When the Vikings came down, they encountered the Khazars converting to Judaism in Kiev?? The Khazars were Turkic and occupied the area between the Black and Caspian Sea that periodically seiged upon its neighboring countries, including Crimea and the Ukraine. The Khazar's did not convert to Judaism in Kiev, they were in their own country because of the upheaval that was going on at the time between their position and their neighboring countries, and not wanting to side with any, used Judaism as an excuse to be neutral. It was not about religion, it was about power play,,,, Contrary to what Snyder stated that the Vikings found the Khazars in Kiev, does not ring true with History, in fact, sitting in Kiev in 988 were the Kievan - Rus and ruling at the time was Vladmir, A quick look at History, shows us that Vladmirs rule came about by Rurik in 870-1000, who came down from the Northern parts and when Rurik died, his son Igor being too young, was succeeded by Oleg in 882, and Oleg merged the 2 cities of Novgorod and Kiev which became the Captial. When Oleg died his son Igor became king in 913 and when he died, his wife Olga -945- took his place. Olga had converted to Christianity, the Greek Orthodox......and when she died, her son Sviatoslav 963 - took over and when he died in battle, his son Yaropolk became king in 972. Yaropolk had a half brother called Vladimir who he had expelled but Vladimir raised an army, came back, disposed of his half brother and became king in 988... When the Vikings came down via the trading route into Kiev, it was Vladmir that was sitting in power in 988, not the Khazars......Vladimir is important to the Russians because it was through his search of the Religions, that he settled on the Greek Orthodox religion from the South. and his eventual marriage to Anna, the daughter of the then Byzantine Emperor, moved up to Keiv and under a decree by Vladimir, everyone was to adopt Greek Orthodoxy.......Thus, Kiev for the first time, became Christian..... and Central to the Greek Orthodox Church.. But this history did not begin here 870-1000, it began many years before......Russia was birthed in the Ukraine......in Kievan - Rus. nor did the Rus, simply disappear as Snyder purports and as for the Khazars, they were dispersed after their fall, the Kaghan king, with his elected officials and a few of his followers, moved into Southern Russia, and others to Spain, Portugal,
Topcat Amen for having intelligence +1. This sham artist and a liar is incredibly popular in Poland and the Baltic states where pro-Nazi, anti-Jewish and anti-Soviet internal policy of historical revisionism has been the norm since break of USSR. So much so that he has been awarded from two of the Baltic states their highest medal award! He is also one of those people who have simply added their fantasies Ukrainian history which did not exist before in any documented historical facts. PS. I have a map from 1987, a study done in slightly earlier showing Russia's ethnic composition and i do not see the word "Ukraine" or "Ukrainian" ANYWHERE on that map. I see only the word: "Petit Russes" where modern geographical Ukraine exists, though its missing the "Grand Russes" lands given by Bolsheviks. 3rd ethnic group is "Blanc Russes". Plus many many other non-Russian ethnic groups. Damn, even the ESTONIANS are shown there, but no mythical "Ukrainians".
Excellent lecture in explaining how we got to where we are today. 48:30 Great example of how propaganda like Russia Today works. It's so important people understand what they're doing and how insidious and damaging and it is to western values and institutions.
This guy is very limited in his understanding of this conflict, he connects his field with assumptions and emotional statements that I can prove to be falacious without any effort. And he does not provide the complete context for the conflict in Ukraine, and even whitewashed the US meddling in Ukraine.
He lost me when he said "we, Americans are actually an OLD nation". Now I know he's just fabricating and creating new history. Americans are actually Europeans who stole land and ethnically cleansed it from it's original inhabitants, the indigenous native Americans. But here's a run down memory lane. The first documented visitors who briefly settled in North America were the Vikings. This is well documented and there's archaeological evidence of it in Newfoundland and Labrador. Followed by Chinese traders, then various seafarers, until around 1400s when the slaughter began by the Europeans, mainly from various ethnic western European areas such as Ireland, Scotland, Britain and France, to ethnically cleanse North America and steal the land from the Native Americans. So no, you're not an old nation, a stolen one but certainly not an old nation.
He makes a lot of weird assertions, and suggesting America is an old nation in comparison to the redrawn European borders of the 20th century is silly, America and Canada were tiny fragments of what they became over those hundreds of years.... but I disagree with your assertion that it was based on ethnic cleansing, the vast majority was empty, and the indigenous people let them take the land for the most part, having a different conceptualization of land
Your understanding of the European Union is either based on a misunderstanding or you have oversmplified. The European Union is an imperialist organization.
Bravo! to his subtle remark on how US is on its way to becoming an oligarchical system (where a minority of elites control nearly all of the wealth) and how we adopt similar propaganda tactics as the Kremlin. I love Schneiders ability to accuratly disect a geopolitical conflict and eloquently convey the motifs of regimes and how it relates to us in the west. This talk has aged perfectly since 2014 seeing how things have unfolded now both in Ukraine and in the west. It's funny seeing the Russian trolls in the comments below trying to undermine his points when 8 years later we see (and have clear evidence of) a cancerous Russian authorian state continuing to meddle with Western views on democracy and freedom. All because its a threat to the Oligarchs pockets and their Impirical aspirations. Russian Oligarchs want the Russian people to be stupid and direct the faults on the West so they can continue to be exploited. The Ukrainians are much smarter however and are fighitng to overcome this tyranny. Glory to Ukraine!
The problem of Ukrainian identity is simple. They all speak Russian as a mother tongue and try to deny it because it is profitable now. All their presidents, military officers, state officials are native Russian speakers. Some of them like president Kuchma, Kiev mayor Klichko or ultra nationalist Yarosh were even born, grown up and educated in Russia itself far from Ukraine. My roots are from Ukraine, but I never been there. If I decided one day relocate there and speak Ukrainian language in public it will take me a few months to achieve. I know plenty of Russians without known Ukrainian roots who moved to Kiev from Moscow due to political, business or personal reasons and many hard born western Ukrainians from Lviv who moved to Moscow. The former Russians are the most pro Ukrainian political activists in Kiev and the former hard core Ukrainians are the most pro Russian activists in Kremlin camp. Unfortunately it is hard for the US professor to understand.
Interesting, 1.Professor can summarize Ukrainian nationalism without ever mentioning the Volyn massacre of Poles by Bandera's legions 2. without mentioning the new Kyiv regime's lionizing of Bandera and naming streets for him 3. without ever even mentioning Bandera!!! Total whitewash!!!
Hello, Julia, what do you think happened to all those polish villagers in the Volyn region in the summer of 1943? I really would like to know why President Yuschchenko declared Bandera to be a "Hero".
Most of comments are from fake accounts of russian bots and occasional believers. Good. Hope it will raise this video in popularity because it tells the story of today, even though it's 8 years old
It's very one sided with a lot of spin based on a false assumption which goes somewhat like this: Russia absolute evil, EU absolute good. Fortunately there's a lot of footage from eyewitnesses (everyone's got a smartphone these days) that truly reveal that this MSM official narrative is super biased. But it takes time to research. It's much easier to join a western circlejerk. Check out the Watchdog Media institute YT channel for example.
@@averageamerican6727 I'm not looking for conspiracy theory satisfiers. Msm media this time is right. But they turned this war into a movie where good guys should win. I feel that nothing is for sure, evil often wins in this world. Russia is modern day fascist state that is savage to its own people and brutal to outsiders, that Russian society is violent and brainwashed this is also often omitted. This is not emphasized enough.
@@Cola_Dulz well, I thought so too but then I looked deeper. Spent a couple of weeks watching raw footage from the late 2013 to late 2015 and now I know better. The New Atlas, The Duran, a documentary by Oliver Stone - Ulraine on Fire all deal with the actual facts. It takes looking in history a bit as well. Talks by the late pror. Stephen F. Cohen, prof. John Mearscheimer, even Noam Chomsky... They all called is at it really is. It didn't need to be this way but now I don't mind if Russia conquers Ukraine. They'll take better care of them than Ukrainian lying officials did since 2014. Kiev & Lvov are Russia. Slava Donbassu. Deal with it.
Watching this from Ukraine in 2023, impressively accurate analysis by Mr. Snyder, done 8 years ago, while even today a lot of people don't know what is going on.
I've been listening to this man for over a year but only just found this lecture (a huge thank you to the person in another comment section who recommended it to me! I returned the favour by recommending The Making Of Modern Ukraine series). Listening to this now is both chilling and illuminating. Vindicating, too, since this is the sort of thing I said (obviously not as well) in the arguments I started having with several of my friends and acquaintances after February 2022. I'm going to recommend this video to anyone I talk to about Ukraine from now on.
It's been a while since your comment, Maksym... I hope you and your loved ones are well and as safe as you can be. Переможете 💙💛
As an American expatriate living in Ukraine in 2014, I was bewildered by the inability of western journalists to comprehend that this was not a civil war between Russian speakers and speakers of Ukrainian... that there was no serious contention between the various nationalities and that these "little green men" were actually Russian soldiers. This lecture is helping me process what I previously could not define. Kudos Mr. Snyder. Your speech is more relevant today as so many people would rather let known propagandists (a.k.a. liars) like Tucker Carlson do their thinking for them.
why would you expect better from soviet puppets?
On what specifics has Tucker Carlson lied in this context? I've been paying attention to the Ukraine/Russia conflict since 2013/2014,… even visited both countries in the surrounding vicinity of the conflict. From what I can tell this is largely a USA infringement on Russian neighborhood polarity (it's about regional social-political systems, not law, given the intertwined history of Russia in the region, eastern and south USSR-Ukraine area, which was Russia before it was Ukraine as a state then country, post 1991)
@@bonsummers2657 TC has lied about everything... Ethnic issues in Ukraine, religious freedom and the supposed "Ukrainian" Orthodox church, opposition parties being outlawed, Zelensky breaking the constitution, and so on and so forth. While you "paid attention" to the conflict, I lived it. While you visited neighboring countries, I was living in Ukraine since 1995. Your view of history is incorrect. Russia was born out of Ukraine and not the other way around. Ukraine is Russia's mother and Russia is committing matricide. I used to think TC had poo for brains, but then I realized he has poo for a conscience. Your pedantic meanderings are worthless... Ukraine is its own country and it wants freedom. Russia has attacked without being provoked.
I am an Eastern bloc person. Czech. I was never surprised and I was always looking at that area with worry. Mixed nationality area + Russia as a neighbour + difficult history + inequality in industry and wealth. What could go wrong? When Putin started tightening up screws, first coming back as a ruler forever, going after opposition, press... I was like "why the hell nobody is doing anything against it?" After Crimea I was livid. Nobody seemed to notice it´s getting serious. Why do people who actually understand the problem never get the floor to influence politicians?
28:45 - So true: "It's a kind of revolution where corporate lawyers literally threw Molotov cocktails". I have a friend, who is a corporate lawyer, who spent dozens of nights on the Maidan.
+ashramshef By taking free drugs brought to Maidan many people stood there for weeks almost without sleep.
+CloneD Anon Maybe you have a photo of those free drugs?
ashramshef How else people stay up for weeks and MANY Ukrainians admit that drugs were common in the maidan, most of all some amphetamine style drug was deluded into the tea which was free to everyone 24/7. Maidan was a investment.
Show me these "MANY" Ukrainians.
@@ashramshef Evidence?:))) Russian trolls need no evidence:)
Why didn't we listen to this 7 yrs ago?
Here in germany we also have to bear a lot of propaganda - lately concerning russia, ukraine and the debt-crisis in greece. It comes from every side. Our media is in favour of the nato-propaganda. In regards to ukraine we exclusively hear news from the ukraine "Wahrheitsministerium" (ministry of truth). "Truth" is always a matter of perspective. There are no innocents in this conflict.
Wise man. His books on Central and Eastern Europe are brilliant, everybody interested in the region should read them. Nicely shown reasons for why Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and Poland are the way they are, despite starting from similar point.
csenuber Nope, you are wrong. Ukrainian peasants were just as poor as polish peasants, and Ukrainian nobles were just as rich as Polish nobles. Except after a few generations those Ukrainian nobles started to speak Polish, which alienated the peasants.
Except Ukraine had these things called Cossacks, which were paid based on a 'registry' and had special privileges others did not. Those Cossacks got pissed off Poland would not increase their registry and was preventing them from raiding neighboring Ottoman lands (due to peace treaty) so they riled up the Ukrainian peasants, started a revolution in the hopes of becoming absolute rulers.
Well guess what happened, they became worse then slaves, all the cossacks were ELIMINATED. And Ukraine has only been worse off since.
Whatever129 Cossacks were eliminated? Go tell that to newly elected into Ukrainian Parliament dudes. Some of them would be very surprised.
And Noble Ukrainians Bohdan Hmelnitsky run under Russian protection. Whatever lands he brought to Russian Tsar is Ukraine, the rest is their wishful thinking.
wise man? he's a crook and propagandist, his ridiculous claims are not correspond to history articles in wikipedia. it's pretty funny how you buying any bullshit without even attempt to check the facts. I can't believe that he is an academic and this is what Western audience think.
Whatever129 oh smell an expert. your buddy John from nearest farm told you that? To be clear, you are an idiot. Read a wiki about Cossacks at last, it's not related exclusively to Ukraine. "All cossacks were eliminated" lol. What a garbage really.
Believe me, it is difference to write a book in a nice house in US about those countries, like to live there for a long time enough to, at least, start to little bit understand what is it really about. I live decades in east and decade in west, I know what I am talking about.
Focused and deep analysis of what was happening in Ukraine. If only we had paid attention at the time.
The quality of this analysis is probably best illustrated by the number of RussBots lining up below to dismiss it 🇺🇦
And yet, I was just wondering if he may be the Marshall McIuhan of our day. I find this guy brilliant, except how can anyone agree that Hillary's office should have smashed up those servers with a hammer "because those emails were personal," Looper. They probably would have revealed a lot about the activities of The Clinton Foundation or the illegality of our wars of economic intervention. He is wrong on Russiagate if "one" "looks at" "the evidence" I have heard of. It seems like if we went back and established what the "facts" of the Meuller Report are, we might have a hard time disagreeing in public, or it would be an excellent debate. I read Anne Applebaum's "Red Famine" and noticed her speaking with a Russian anti-Ukranian way of doing things bias that had nothing to do with the Holodomor. It seems as if, historically, the Russians and Ukranian people have a lot in common. Victimhood becomes complex. Going back to the beginning of things is sometimes useful. How do we certify that the Ukranian election was "free and fair?"
If you call quality what this jack ass said then you are a westbot and a russophile.
That saying is very strong. No-one can denies that we live in a world full of bots and brainless people.
Just because a person has an opinion different to yours does NOT make him/her a bot. If you wish to make a useful contribution then gather your arguments and facts and present them in a cogent and defensible fashion. Thank you.
@khunmikeon858
"Opinion different than yours" is an euphemism for kremlinbot behaviour copied by irl fascists and braindead genocide apologists in your case. There's absolutely no difference to us if you get paid for your BS or not, you're a sworn enemy wageing an infowar and will get punished accordingly. You either don't know what's been goung on in comments everywhere ir you're really a kremlinbot - the latter being more common than the former.
gotta love all the Kremlin apologists in the comments section.
"Lies, lies, lies! American propaganda! This guy is a propagandist! He knows nothing!"
And pretty much zero arguments to support the invective.
Obviously, it works. Most people in the world are lazy, so they just listen to the loudest and most persistent voice.
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There's also the point that journalism in Ukraine is incredibly unprofessional. Short of a couple really bright reporters and investigators like Yuri Butusov, we have nothing to counter the Russian lies with because our news outlets don't produce strong and convincing stories either. We have nothing to show internationally to counter RT.
VioletGiraffe I couldn't agree more. Most Ukrainian journalists are so emotionally involved in the conflict, they don't seem to notice how much of their writing is rhetoric and propaganda, and how little of it provides information that could be used to counter Kremlin's. Compared to Russians, they are amateurs. Which raises the question, what were those proverbial State Dept's $5 billion spent on? If you invest in a country's civil society, shouldn't you spend some on training journalists and editors?
Ivan Lenin
funny thing is that you are using classical NLP trick wrapping lie inside the truth. Yes, ukrainian journalists are unprofessional. But whole russian media is big propaganda machine, controlled by one person. Yes it is professional machine but yet it has nothing to do with journalism.
Ivan Lenin
That's not what I am talking about. You're not even making sense.
Snyder did a good job with this one.
Good he left out everything that is important as to where we are today in Ukraine/Russia.
@toddgrady7119
For early 2014, he actually did hit the nail on the head. I don't think you watched it trough or understand. It's an analysis of situation 9 years ago, they didn't have "today" then.
This was made in 2014, this video has aged well(at least some parts of it)
2022 now & it’s aged better than ever.
It's even more important today than it's ever been.
I'm 48 minutes into the video and not once is American interference mentioned, Victoria Newland's selection of a new leader neither the $5Billion pumped into the realisation of the Maidan revolution.
It doesn't matter that this talk has it's 10th anniversary, It is and should be essential, mandatory viewing to everyone with even the slightest interest in viewing Russia in an accurate context, not only the conflict in Ukraine, but the threats to European unity, and also as a grounding to their insidious influence in US internal affairs. Start here, then update with a more recent talk of his, or someone like General Hodges, his thoughts are current and very relevant strategically. Recommended.
7 years later we have no excuse. We knew today was coming and no one did anything about it.
Shout out to others who came here through Sarcasmitron.
Genius. Not just intellectually, but spiritually deeper than any politician I've heard.
true word
I think towards the end of this talk
I must’ve dozed
but otherwise I found it extremely interesting !!!
In part
this history was mentioned in part of my world history class I had in high school
I always did hear about the (bread basket)
Well, maybe because he a historian not a politician ;)
When he started to talk about 2014 he made no reference around American interference in the 2014 uprising against the then elected leader , I reference Victoria Nuland conversation with the American ambassador. Surely this is a historical fact that a historian should not forget. How can anyone take this historian seriously , or be suspicious of his other claims when this historical fact had not been mentioned.
Also, when he mentions the EU, is it also not a historical fact that the EU was an American concept engineered by the CIA. Not mentioned by this Historian.
love it, as always RUclipsrs with no qualifications but plenty of feelings know more than a Yale professor who focuses almost exclusively on Eastern Europe. You all must be brilliant.
They might be speaking out of their emotions but at least they are real while doing so, this two bit "professor" might have been paid by the zionist which is pretty common in USA these days.
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Ryan F you know the funny part is for some doesn't even need it extra education to know what's going on around and the problem is this professor piece of fucking shit liar everything he build up he build up specific there to represent Western review on what they did in Ukraine make sure he hide everything he could so he put everything upside down from real two fiction and 100000 peoples who doesn't have a Jil education believe that bullshit in the breath with no doubt in his credibility but I know what's really happening there I see in my eyes and not just in the little circle but I've see all the details in government how many people from United States pressured Unico Village to do what he did to make sure he fails he stayed two nationalistic fascist groups who takes the power in Ukraine and people like you have no fucking idea you just believe that piece of shit on the stage congratulation
@Oleg Pustovoy, so many words and all value judgments
Watch Peppe Escobar with professor Michael Hudson for some in depth, multifaceted insight in the Ukraine crisis and the geo economic/social/political background to the whole crisis.
Yea, Pepe is a gem
He tried to equate Ukraine to Western Europe of the Renaissance and Russia to the "Asiatic Mongol hordes." No mention of the Nazism of the Galicians.
Why would he? Even if it was relevant (and it's not) nazism is more popular in Russia then Ukraine
@@NegruRW You can easily assume that Putin is dishonest or unfrank when he says that he fights nazis in Ukraine. You might treat those accusations as primitive pretexts for a military intervention and pay no attention to them. However ,then you will lose any chance to understand the massive support Putin enjoys among Russians. It is not very probable they are all like Putin, notoric liars or idiots. So without some reference to Bandera and what he did and what he instigated and how he ended and how he is excused and honored today you cannot depict a complete picture of Ukraine and Russia in this Russian-Ukrainian war.
@@NegruRW
History doesn’t teach
Soviet Union has lost 26 millions of human lives in WW II
Holocaust-6 million of Jews
Jews killed by Ukrainians , polish killed by Ukrainian Nazi.
Who was the leader of Ukrainian Nazi?
Bandera !
What was bandera’s slogan?
“Slava Ukraine” - geroiam slava
How many people supporting Ukraine yelling “slava Ukraine “? Do they know that is the Nazi slogan ?
Russian people remembers how many lives have been lost in WWII
@@firuzaabdullaeva2706 Most of the Jews killed in Ukraine were Soviet Citizens.
@@TheDarim Putin launched the special military operation reluctantly under pressure from his constituents when all diplomatic efforts were ignored by the US-NATO alliance. A militarized NATO member Ukraine controlled by highly organized Nazis is an existential threat to the Russian Federation
Oh don’t forget that Finland and Sweden attacked Rus at the same time as Mongols.
Also, Western powers like France, Poland, Germany, Britain and the US have all invaded Russia. The get easily spooked, as one prof. puts its.
Current members of parliament (423 seats taken; 27 left out because of the war in the constituencies) in Ukraine are neo-nazi:
- Petro Poroshenko Bloc (132 seats), openly hails Bandera and other figures responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia; Poroshenko set the date of the creation of the UPA as the most important Ukrainian holiday,
- People's Front (82 seats), openly hails Bandera and other figures responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia,
- Self Reliance (33 seats), openly hails Bandera and other figures responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia,
- Radical Party (22 seats), openly hails Bandera and other figures responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia, look at their logotype - Ukrainians used pitchforks, among other tools, during the genocide: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Party_of_Oleh_Lyashko
- All-Ukrainian Union "Fatherland" (19 seats), openly hails Bandera and other figures responsible for the genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia.
That's 68% of the parliament being openly neo-nazi (I've only counted the seats that belong to specific parties, there are non-partisan members who may also be neo-nazi).
The title of this video should have been, Ukraine: From Propaganda to Counter Propaganda
This guy really started to bore me. He did say he was a conservative and based on his presentation he definitely revealed this. He talks of the history of Ukraine but he fails to provide anything about the specific intervention of the USA/CIA cabal that has been interfering with countries throughout the world.
If he wanted, he could have done a short history of Allen Dulles and his merry men that have caused much death and destruction throughout the world.
Very quickly I would mention some people that have probably influenced his thinking. Leo Strauss, Donald Kagan, Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristal, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Cohen, Elliott Cohen, Elliott Abrams and Kimberly Allen.
One person he doesn't mention is the former Secretary of State of the USA and US Ambassador during the crisis in Kiev in 2014. The two names are Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pratt. They were directly involved of the overthrow (coup) of the democratically elected president at the time.
There is a leaked audio recording of Nuland and Pratt deciding on who will be the next president of the Ukraine. I only mention this to indicate that there are key moments in history and I would think this would have stood out.
"Men will not accept truth at the hands of their enemies, and truth is seldom offered to them by their friends: for this very reason I have spoken it.
- Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America I believe Alexis was spot on.
Years ago, Alexander Solzhenitsyn said this. "The United States is placing its occupation troops in one country after another. This is the de facto situation in Bosnia for 9 years, in Kosovo and Afghanistan for 5 years each, in Iraq for 3 years so far, but it will be a long time there. There is little difference between NATO’s actions and individual U.S. actions. Clearly seeing that today’s Russia poses no threat to them, NATO is methodically and persistently developing its military apparatus - to the east of Europe and into the continental reach of Russia from the south. There is open material and ideological support for “color” revolutions, and the paradoxical introduction of North Atlantic interests - in Central Asia. All this leaves no doubt that a complete encirclement of Russia is being prepared, and then the loss of its sovereignty. No, Russia’s accession to such a Euro-Atlantic alliance, which conducts propaganda and the violent introduction into various parts of the planet of the ideology and forms of current Western democracy - would lead not to expansion, but to the decline of Christian civilization."
I'm surprised that Solzhenitsyn would have said something like that. Could you cite the source or provide a link?
the "democratically elected president" was overthrown by the ukranians, not the fucking CIA.
lots of letters to copy russian troll stories and basically say: blah
Talk about boring, that was a lot of schizo waffle right there. Muh CIA. 🤡 CIA Jews somehow invented Ukrainian national consciousness. Muh based Christian civilisation in the country 🇷🇺 with more abortions than almost anywhere else 🤡🤡🤡
Project Much?
I can not fathom the fact that, since you shed the light on the historical background as a bedrock to understand the current situation but you didn't mention anything concerning the Crimean wars, the annexation of the Western Russian to Ucraine. Without talking about these 2 historical elements you can not understand the Ucrainian case no matter how go deeper. It is a kind of, as you mentioned, following the track of events. The Eastern Ucraine was part of Russia. It means those who live there are originally Russian. It follows that if a government ruled under a coup d'etat is becoming hostile to this minority living in the Eastern side the most normal thing, knowing very well that they can be backed by a super power that is Russia, is to show a kind of resistance to such hostility. In 1954 the Comuinst president Khrutchov, without consulting anyone, simply handed over Crimea to the government of Crimea,knowing very well the most strategic importance of Crimea in terms of having dominance over the black sea and having access to Europe and the Middle East. I want just to add something:the fact that you didn't mention these two big historical events is indeed a distortion of historical facts that lead to a misunderstanding of what is really going right now.
Ukraine didn’t exist until Russian revolution.
Kiev was a capital city of Russia, then it has been moved to Moscow.
Krim was Turkish land and when Russians has won the war the krim became a part of Russia.
It’s stated that if krim is not a part of Russia it will return under the turkey.
This man is not a good historian
Russia ecsisted before 1200 ,
Check how old is Novgorod !!!
You should stop watching RT and wake up. Crimea was devasted after WWII and Ukraine became liable to rebuild it. In 1991 Jelzin, (i guess) Kutcha and Lukachenko hand in hand walked in to Gorbachev to proclaim independancy of the 3 states, in 1994 Russia again guaranteed Ukrainian sovereignty. But, before all, the Ukrainians - including the russian speakers - fight like hell against the invaders. From my perspektive, there is no way somebody might be willing to fight and/or die for a handful of dollars (or rubles). On Feb 24, the Ukrainians - the vast majority including the russian speakers - voted clearly against Russia.
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I don’t watch RT, or any other TV programs or news.
There are more reliable sources to understand what is happening in Ukraine.
What kind of role has played Victoria Nuland during the maidan …
Who is Kolomoysky?
Kolomoysky +Zelenski + Hunter Biden?
Where are all money (sent to Ukraine)going ?
Why all the military equipment is sold on the black market by Ukrainian military forces.
Don’t forget that holocaust 6 mln Jews Died .
Bandera was Nazi collaborator of Hitler.
You don’t have to trust anyone, just do your research.
Please check how many polish and Jews were killed by bandera.
Whole Soviet Union has contributed to the reconstruction of Soviet Union.
Land lease has been paid by Russia, after Soviet Union broke up.
26 millions of Soviet people has died in WWII. When I say Soviet I mean more than 150 ethnicities/nationalities
Not just Russians and Ukrainians
@@firuzaabdullaeva2706 I admit that I am not a historian, but at least I know sth about the recent history of the last century and I believe that has a paramount significance to understand the reasons behind this conflict and who really triggers it. The Collective West has been waging bloody wars either directly or by proxy. Nobody in the west is interested in peace treaty with Russia and the only period when the West was happy with was in the Yeltsin era. They were so happy that they were sucking, robbing and deindustralising Russia.
@@alibazzin
Absolutely agree with you
Thank you Professor Timothy Snyder for an eloquent teaching on current status on European History with Ukraine and Russia. "Decadent" inference of the state might just enlighten us in the global arena, much gratitude to you.
Stalin who was GEORGIAN not Russian. For him ukranian and Russian were the same. It was "raskulachivanie" by agricultural regions , regardless what nationality you are.
This professor which is very educated is so very wrong with this information that he is providing. Mongols didn't destroy the cities that accepted their rule and paid them timely. Alexander Nevsky bent the knee to the Mongols and thus was able to preserve Rus culture and way of life in Novgorod. When his kin 2 centuries later defeated the Mongols, the culture from Novgorod became the main culture and spread to other regions when the territories around it was being assimilated into what became eventually the Russian Empore. His story is full of logics and people are here gobbling it because they don't know better.
Also interesting fact that practically every second secretary of state in USSR actually came from Ukraine
@@orangepants5749 Even Soviet presidents came from Ukraine. Leonoid "paranoia" Brezhev was a Ukrainian.
The title should be "From the other propaganda to my propaganda".
Well said.
From propaganda to more of the same propaganda: that's pretty much what could have been expected from a speaker from Yale.
Surprisingly for an "historian" he could not even tell the ancient Kiev history right! Wow!
If you are going to make that claim, you must take the time, at least a few paragraphs to point by point, substantiate your claim . . . please, I am interested . . .
@@danielschulman4909 , he is a russian propagandist that is going to claim that Kyiv somehow was a russian city - way before russia didn't even exist!
Bias toward the famine being solely Stalin's fault, and toward the Nazis being worse than the Bolsheviks.
And where did this professor disappear the Novgorod Russians? First he was a Novgorod Russi, and then he was a Kievan Russi
ok, and why was there a famine on the Polish side? Was Stalin starving there, or was Poland organizing a genocide? Something doesn't fit into the logic at that time. At that time, there were famines in many places, not only in Ukraine, and this is a deliberate distortion of history.
hahaha all these old bots here. pretty funny.
Rather ironic, someone from the USA telling us that Ukraine and Russia are integral parts of Europe and its history. Dear public, here in Europe we know and have always known. What you call "eastern" Europe to us has always been the middle of this part of the continent, which is right called "Eurasia." Asia, 'behind' the Urals is where Asia begins and Europe ends. What speaker tells you about Ukraine goes all the way for Russia too. Calling everything behind Vienna "eastern" is a false and distorting legacy of Churchill's "Iron Curtain."
Beetje verwarrend
I couldn't agree more! One always reads that the Mongols, Turks, Soviets "reached the gates of Vienna". Fine, but what about the gates of Sofia? Or Cracow?
Well put! I stopped listening after 10 mins. I figured this guy was just dishing out propaganda since most his historical accounts were inaccurate.
Northern, western, southern, eastern Europe are all common terms in English.
Thanks for the academically recognized history of Ukraine, based upon serious research into historic documents, oral traditions, and the arts and architecture.
Ukraine didn’t exists as a country until 1922
Kiev na rusi was a capital city of Russia, then it has been moved to Moscow
Russia existed while before he says,
Check the Russian city Novgorod’s history
What arts and architecture? Could you point me to these things? Also, the literature? I would love to study it further, as we were not taught it in Slavic Studies at UW for some reason.
The US is old only in the sense that its culture for the most part is an iteration of that of Europe. There are many countries in Europe aside from France and England that existed as unitary kingdoms in the past but were subsumed by empires and then revived as nation states in the modern era. Hungary and Serbia are examples. The Russian Federation in its component nationalities, ethnicities is indeed a millennia old. This lecture is just another propaganda for the side of the State Department and its client, the Maidan Coup Regime.
Exactly my thoughts as I have stated above. Why do Americans always need God on their side? I f there was an interventionist God it would have banished them from our planet long ago to give peace a chance. When Ghandi was asked what he thought of Western Civilisation he said "it would be a good idea".
By the way the oldest living culture is that of Australian Aborigines.
The US is old? Who is this man trying to fool gullible Americans. I have heard enough of this nonsense.
True - This is a NED/CIA neo con prof.
The USA is a very divided country. Freedom and liberty were destroyed by President Thomas Woodrow Wilson in 1913.
@Ya Boi James I was writing in the context of civilizational cultures rather than states which can be seen as too momentary in comparison. Where did "feelings" come into this discussion. I seem to have hurt yours.
For an historian i find it totall mindblowing, bearing in mind the subject.
He for got to mention something that Obama neglected to be aware of when let his mouth run off about Kiev being nothing to do with Russia.
THAT FACT IS, "KIEV WAS THE CAPITAL CITY OF RUSSIA FOR MANY YEARS," not a point that a good historian would miss out because it played a very big part in both Russia history and in Ukraine history, its one of the main reasons for the best part of the population of Ukraine only speaking Russian, even today most Ukraine words are very close to Russian words with the exeption of a few, so when Obama told Mr. Putin that the Ukraine was nothing to do with Russia he was totally wrong, the same as his statement about AMERICA being older the Europe, what a load of rubish.
America was ocupied by people for a loong time before anyone from Europe being there.
Even the vikings learn a lot from the occupants ofTurtle island., which is what the true Americans called it, and they numbered into the millions
The America of today only started with the invasion by the white man, very late in European history, Europe had been around in the form it is now for a good many years before that happened which makes America the youngest nation on earth, and the most aggresive, they conducted a heavy genocide act on the indian population that coupled with lies and broken promises that have continued to today.
America holds the world record for breaking every promise it has ever made, if anyone doubts that try asking a Decota indian just how many agreements were they ripped off with.
It is a nation that holds world records, firstly they have started more conflicts around the world than any other nation.
They have killed more people than two world wars put together.
They are they only people to have used atimic weapons on others non stop to the present day, yes, depleted uranium shells and bombs are atimic weapons, they create the same problems with regards to health.
So my advise would be before you say your an historian make double sure you know your history front and back, plus all the bits you would rather not mention because it paints a different picture of the real America than you like.
Ukrainian language is closer to Polish than to Russian, don't spread fakes. Kyiv was a main city in Kyivan Rus only, which not Russia or Ukraine by itself but some sort of ancestors.
@@АндрійКовальчук-о8ч you are totally wrong i know all 3 of those languages. You definitely have no clue what you are talking about
Fully agree with you John
@@335isupra really? I know Polish, Ukrainian and Russian languages and know what I am talking about. Also science on my side - - - search about it.
My native language is Ukrainian and later I learn Russian and Polish. I think that your native is Russian but you learn Ukrainian in school as state language, and later you learn Polish.
If you add to Russian Federation period of Russian Empire and USSR in that case Russia created more conflicts than USA, because USA will be significantly younger. But if you mean Russia only from 1991 in that case you are right, because Russia will be significantly younger than USA. Time as variable here play significant role
It left out important part - US having its hand in over throwing Ukrinian government and hand picking its new cabinet members.
Or the fact that Donbas and Crimea are basically Russia & no longer have any say in Ukrainian government. (Only the US does, but that's beside the point.)
I've met dozense of refugees from Donbas who talked about the neobolshevik degeneracy happening there and were forced to flee. It's "basically Russian" since the moskals finished off the ethnic cleansing projects of Stalin. You probably think Königsberg is ancient Russian territory too.
@@ClamMan1989 Russians built those cities and have been there since the 1700s. There are agrarian Ukrainians there too, and they are, actually, the majority. No one disputes that. If a population is the majority, it obviously has NOT been "ethnically cleansed." Though Ukrainians are fleeing now.
I mean, how stupid does a person have to be to argue that the minority "ethnically cleansed" the majority? Not to mention, we are all intermixed at this point. My mother is from Kherson.
I think that people who use ethnic slurs pejoratively are truly revolting, by the way.
@@williamgibson1761 Nuland. Head honcho of the Nuland-Kagan political maffia and the gauleiter in Ukraine of the Empire of Lies.
wow, look at all the rusian BOTs - are you getting paid per letter, or per word? rusciasts!
Timothy Snyder is the best historian regarding Eastern Europe (the lands between warsaw and moscow). Through his speeches, books and papers, you come to realize how the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union were truly a curse on this region. Much admiration to Poles, Balts and Ukrainians !
This is unbelievably bad. This man is better at propaganda than Goebbels.
In the mideval/early modern history I wish he mentioned the cossacks and how they fit into the picture
Missed too much.
precicly, this lecture is misleading, Ukrainans were not the Vikings, not the Russ, and they were very small ethnick group in the very west part of what today Ukraine is. Somehow the Moscovites in this lecture apprered out of the blue and dropped on beautiful Ukrainan lands , what a joke..
Stop twisting the history.
Cossacks were mainly East Slavs, especially Russian and Ukrainian people. In the 15th century, the term originally described semi-independent Tatar groups which lived on the Dniepr River, which flows through Ukraine, Russia and Belarus.
I'm horriby dissapointed with Snyder - his lecture isn't about going from propaganda to reality, it's about going from one propaganda to another propaganda.
He does explain well the holes and faults of Russian propaganda, but he doesn't touch in any way the holes and faults of Ukrainian propaganda. And there are many, many things here like:
- The "who financed Maidan?" question. I'm not saying the protesters were being paid, no - but somebody provided material support (supplies) and to this moment it isn't publically known who.
- Why is the Ukrainian artillery bombarding civilians in Donetsk, including bombardment using cluster ammunition? (Human
Rights Watch info).
- Why is Ukraine tolerating neo-nazi elements like the "Azov battalion", why neonazis are allowed into positions of power, like the chief of police in Kiev?
I think that he bad things Snyder is telling about Russia are indeed true, but I hate the fact that he obviously uses DOUBLE STANDARDS and doesn't aproach the Ukrainian side of the conflict with the same criticism. Because of that, even though what's he's saying about what's wrong with Russia is true, the whole package is unfortunately biased propaganda, because he doesn't speak about what's wrong with Ukraine.
It's very easy to create biased propaganda without any lying - all is needed is to present all the faults of party #1, but without informing about the faults of party #2. And unfortunately, Snyder does that.
Summary: It's not "From propaganda to reality". It's "Let's disbelieve Russian propaganda, but believe Ukrainian propaganda instead". I'm perfectly fine with the first part, but completely against the second.
Nice try, Mr. Putin! I financed fucking Maidan, you moron. I took my salary, bought some food and other stuf (like gasoline and oil, haha) and brought it there. And same did like 100 000 of people from all the country. it is CIVIL SOCIETY, but you fucking propaganda bot came here to deny it.
"Why is the Ukrainian artillery bombarding civilians in Donetsk" - just portion of bullshit which circulates ONLY in russian-baked media. Human rights Watch DENIED its false report about usage of claster ammunition. You know how do detect putin troll? They all use OBSOLETE information, from their manuals.
Wu Tang Ghostface Killah
+1 on all points.
Thank you Mr. T. Snyder
Wow we glazed over that regime change fast. No mention of Azov death squads?
Yup
hahaha you sir just made yourself and all those upvotes a total fool.
@Jon Little You remember the attention span of some people? Add in some distractions, and it IS FORGOTTEN fast.
@@powder1334 The fool who jumped on upvotes is definitly Propaganda-driven. FOOL.
No mention of made-up Russian nonsense? He did mention those lies exist. And you'll not mention Bucha and Irpin - was that the CIA too?
His bias and honesty is questionable as he conveniently omitted the likes or Nuland, McCain and Co being involved in the Maidan revolution. Not to mention the intercepted conversations well before the mayhem with Nuland arrogantly stating who should be in power in the Ukrainian government without consulting the EU ("or fuck the EU" as she mentioned).
To those, who disagree, and are not fake accounts from Kremlin troll factories, please bring out the inaccuracies in this speech.
Let's discuss them, the importance of the events today is impossible to overestimate. Russian propaganda works with enormous budgets and we, as a society, must discuss things, to find the truth. The consequences of being confused about these events, confused as a society, as voters, will be absolutely tragic on a global scale.
its only bots or some telegram channel thing. as usual. its funny until your real friends start acting and copy these stories.
Russian troops in Crimea 2013 = 15,000
Ukrainian troops in Crimea 2013 = 20,000
So... exactly how did Russia invade Crimea without any violence?
they seized and blockaded the Ukrainians from acting in their own sovereign territory. Putin focuses on how that the number of Russian troops in Crimea was legal under their agreement however he rationalizes the illegal actions they took by calling the entire Ukrainian government illegitimate. Even if that were true that doesn't give Russia the right to physically interfere in Ukrainian sovereignty.
I don't care what Putin thinks. What I want to know how is there NO resistance if Crimeans don't want Russia there. If you lose a place where you have the support of the local population AND 20,000 regular army troops on your side shit.... Even the French put up more resistance to the Germans lol
@@ilyas4161 You are right. For me it has to do with the fact is demographics of culture and national allegiance. Crimea is Russian and so too the Donbas. America's coup precipitated a coup and now Ukraine is in the midst of a civil war. Sevastapol and Crimea are Russian and held referendum to realign with Russia. Donbas and another region want no part of Ukrainian rule over them and are now fighting to become either independent or aligned with Russia.
Right now Putin and Biden are going eyeball-to-eyeball and while watching this ridiculous propaganda lecture I have to shake my head. Professor Snyder has created a western narrative and it does not line up with the facts as I have witnessed them over the past decade and the past half century. He is so full of himself that I keep thinking that he will slowly rise up from the lectern and float on out into the hallway, his rapt ignorant audience gleefully following his nauseating voice. In the future I will avoid Timothy Snyder like the Covid. The truth, the reality of Ukraine et al can be found in the excellent YT post of September 2017, a lecture: "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? featuring John Mearsheimer, the University of Chicago R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in Political Science and Co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago.
I am wondering why an American is being called "the world’s leading historian of Eastern Europe." I also wonder why he never mentions how the Crimean War fits into the history, even in the taped survey course he gave last academic year at Yale.
To be clear, I admire Dr. Snyder as a brilliant writer and recommend his literature to anyone interested. I just want to temper the hype of this public intellectual precisely because he is a public intellectual.
This is the best lecture of Timothy Snyder of all times. Everything said is perfect and is in perfect place.
For simpletons ignorant of true history.
@@crestvilla711true history or russian history?
This should be called From Reality to Propaganda.
1) He for got to mention that after new election same oligarchs come to power in Ukraine
2) Private army also use same camouflage by hundreds.
3)Victoria Nuland with cookies on Maidan was not true? Numerous time visiting Kiev is not true?
4) Nice catch on word "Maidan" being of not European or Slavic, but Persian or Muslim origin
5) Describe it from the money point of view: Should US have same (proportional to its economy of cause) limit for spending as every other country in the world, or FRS can print as it wishes. In other word should your civil society create some kind of WORLD BANK and world currency and take printing power from FRS and dollar?
6) Ukrainian Right Sector burned alive over 100 people in Odessa's Trade Union building on May 2 and they are not fascists? Which reality are you living in?
Also why the name of the UA capital is named in not native state language - Kyiv?
Surghenko Andrey Senator McCane would know, he use to like to give long speaches from central tribune during Maidan.
Surghenko Andrey You have a point. However, what name should Americans use in their discussions of Austria or Bavaria. Should it be Vienna, or Wien? Munich, or Munchen (with U-umlaut)?
csenuber I think it was bread what Nuland was passing around: watch on you tube :
"Victoria Nuland gives food for demonstration people in Ukraine"
1) that is why russia started war?
2) what?
3) are you serious? cookies bother you that much?
4) so what?
5) what again?
6) thtat's a lie. there were far less victims first of all, and then the case is so unsure that we cant realy tell what was the reason of those people deaths and what caused fire. on the other hand we have house of trade unions in kyiv with wounded protesters burned alive by the riot police during the days of maidan.
What about western propaganda? Or western point of view "a priori" is truth? And if in Ukraine has been revolution of "civil society" why in power now the same oligarchs (from other clans)?
I think this is exactly what he touches on when he says this attitude of relativism comes from misconceived ideals of objectivity in Western media. (See: the 5 talking heads example, which is something often employed by FOX, MSNBC, and countless others)
But just because the west does it as well doesn't mean it's good, or that we should accept and support it. I think this arrogance of undefined ideals and murky value projection is exactly what the talk criticizes, implicitly - and it's a concern that many in Europe and North America share. I can assure you of that.
***** Maybe I'm missed something, my English far from good. But I thought that Timothy Snyder proceeds from the american exceptionalism. What if Russians actions is simply reaction against Western pressure? Yes, Russians are attempting break down Western unity, but hasn't West attempted to break down Russia and overthrow russian government (by supporting various democratic organizations)? And Russians actions in Ukraine may be reply on Western's strategy in Eastern Europe. It's really geopolitical and there is no fight of good and evil.
+Dmitry Lecter That's OK, your English seems absolutely fine to me :)
Snyder, at least in this speech, makes an argument against one-sided perceptions. Whether American or Russian, he's saying that if someone intentionally views (and shows) the world from a single perspective, it will lead to the truth being left out. I don't think this, or the way he delivers it, has anything to do with American exceptionalism (which, as an American, I agree is a horrible, horrible thing).
Now, to make something clear: I'm sure there are pro-democracy NGOs in Russia funded by the US. I'm also sure there are many who (officially or not) are an opposition to Putin. But you have to acknowledge that there are also patriotic, smart Russians, in Russia, who believe in democracy and will work for it ( either in a pro-dem NGO or some other way). And I find it highly unlikely (and, as of yet, unproven) that the only reason american civil society organizations fund Russian civil society organizations is to be politically active. Quite often the reason they do it is because they want better research from the region or because they genuinely feel that their activities help people regardless of their nationality. American civil society is not the same as our government - it's important that you respect that.
And still, my point stands: having been harmed in the past (and I agree that NATO expanded too fast, etc) doesn't mean you should disregard all rules and norms today. The same way you don't have to be fascist and nazi to support a Ukrainian state, you don't have to be Russian to recognize that Russia was left to rot for the last 20-25 years.
It's ok to have strong reactions against Western pressure, but it's not OK to start a bloody land war without taking any responsibility. It's dishonest. There are people in the west who respect and admire Russia, but Putin & co are losing their support incredibly fast. And they're doing so while harming Russians, too. I think this is why so many in the west simply can't understand the Russian point of view in this: our traditions tell us that the nation isn't the same as its leader and that being critical of power is a good thing. Putin is telling Russians never to question him and to equate Russia, Russians, and himself.
And when you say geopolitics, it makes it seem like there's no Ukraine to talk about - only Russia and America. And this is exactly what's wrong with this kind of talk, as Snyder says in his lecture. I think that's harmful.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism is classic propaganda tactic. russians always begin like this: "You say we kill people, but what about you?" it's very childish but it works, beware
"How the hell can you have a conversation..." easily. you just have to make your point without "what about you?" that's quite obvious that when you say "there is western propaganda too" you in no way deny anything snyder said. Just because there is nothing you can say but "what about you?"
I totally enjoyed it. Interesting thing is that I'm aware of all this stuff since I'm a Ukrainian, but the way Timothy lined all things out was like some kind of intellectual symphony. Another thing i liked, that he pointed out intellectual and philosophical layer of all this, which is kind of obvious, but always seem to slip away, especially when your country is in state of war. When mortars, shells and rockets are fired, and people are dying every day you tend to react with your spine not your brain. PS I want to stress out the fact, that paid russian english speaking trolls on payroll are occupying each and every video about Ukraine (even absolutely non-related to the ongoing conflict), so be aware.
I´m German living in Berlin. Here´s my E-Mail my friend: st.boehme@gmx.de
And: My english is quite poor...
And: I´m writing with my real name... Who are you?
Stefan Böhme Why did you think Wu Tang Ghostface Killah's comment was aimed at you? "The lady doth protest too much, methinks", eh? ;)
Stefan Böhme
I have no problem with you being German. I never used my real name in the internet. and I'm not going to. i live in Kyiv, Ukraine. Still thousands of russian trolls on payroll are in the internet. It not some kind of paranoid fantasie, there were some emailing leaked from people who are organizing this, they are making special manuals of how to do it. Basically it is a mix of propaganda cliches and classical "trolling". People are paid "by comment" for doing this.
PS; My German is definitely worse than your English.
"Still thousands of russian trolls on payroll are in the internet." May be, may not be. Have you any prove or sources?
@@stefanboehme3398 Are you still in doubt? Es gibt unzählige Berichte darüber.
The US is very new compared to Egypt, Iran, India and China. Why compare only to European countries?
because it doesnt fit his anglocentric view of the world
because European settlers came to America, which was not called by this name at that time.
This historical accounting seems to be rather flawed and missed so many actions by other countries it could have been given by the CIA. For instance you seem to have misunderstood that the uprising against the pro - soviet leader was not down to him being against joining the EU, he tried to join but he was rebuffed just as Zelenskyy was encouraged to join but was not accepted. You paint the police as violently trying to prevent the uprising but those watching the protests could see that the police were unarmed and were pelted with Molotov cocktails and the armed Maidan Fascists had weapons and were shooting both police and protestors from the back of the crowds. Furthermore the protests were real but were taken over by armed fascist groups trained and armed by the USA and who were using extreme violence against leftist organizations. All of us who watched the Nazis burn down the building housing unionist and see people burn or jump to their death while police did nothing to stop this clear message that those opposing the US engineered coup would be intimidated or killed. Oh yes we heard Veronica Nuland and Jeffrey Pyatt discussing who they would put in the Government and the roles these people would play when the US Government had taken over the Ukrainian Government. Let's not pretend that the coup was a natural uprising by the people. We also heard that Nuland cursed the little support of the EU and pointed out the USA had put $50 million dollars into the coup. Funny how people have very different memories of history and where the USA is involved there is always a lot of amnesia around their recollections.
Yeah,, he was awful. And completely managed to deny the agency of Eastern/Southern Ukrainians, as well.
Update your speech Ivan.. The "pro-soviet" was not pro or against..he couldn't be since the whole ruckus was about an association and trade with the EU not membership.. You talk about accounting being flawed but you do not know the most basic and primary facts..Hell..you don't even know that the Soviet Union no longer exists!
Thanks for this account which is to my opinion an accurate one and is backed by many facts. All ukrainian governments after the coup did their best to create a massive propaganda of those events writing it down into history books and people's minds likewise as a glorious expression of the prople's will to become a democratic country. Still not their btw. Never were heading their. For me (I am ukrainian) the war started right there and it is one between the US and Russia. But on the ukrainian ground and fought by ukrainians who pay for this politics of the corrupt few by their lives. SAD
@@ollyr_3710 You aren’t alone.
Thank you for the TRUTH, James!
Slight correction here Mr. Historian, The mongols didn't Wipe out the RUS. The RUS under Alexander Nevsky seceded (in today's St. Petersburg). And Yaroslav II fled under Alexander's umbrella, when the Mongols razed Kiev.
Slight correction here, mister "know it all" - A. Nevsky was fighting on the side of Mongols!
As a Ukrainian civilian, I do not like the government that tries to bestow one nationality-only mindset when the population is ripped in half regarding nationality, political views, and language. This talk speaks of Ukrainians as a whole is false when the question of walking into EU was not agreed upon by the entirety. These shootings happened between politically divided civilians, the oust of demo elected president is not seen as a positive by many since it lead areas of Ukraine separate against the justified "Revolution," they view it as a "Maidan coup."
I don't like when Ukrainians share Russian propaganda. Yanukovich wasn't ousted, he ran away to Russia by himself. The Donbas region wasn't pro-Russian that much and most of the separatist leaders were Russian like Strelkov, creep like Motorolla, or crook like Pushilin. So it's clear, that majority of the anti-EU population was created under Rusian of Ukrainian pro-Russian propaganda. Their arguments against the EU are imaginary and emotional, not rational. Like legalization of gay marriages or abortion is a problem, but looking at Poland you can see how miserable it sounds.
@@JabaBolotna I'm not a fan of Western propaganda and cancel cultural. Not a fan of anyone who acts as if they lived in a Donbas region or Crimea to claim facts over the people who are actually from there. To each their own.
I have a lot of respect for Ukraine and Timothy Snyder. However where i, to a degree ,disagree with Timothy and maybe Aristotle is his view of War as a viable, in some cases necessary extention of Politics .Whatever the result of this War it will effect, affect even infect us all. Very good lecture
You can see some great examples of russia propaganda here in comments
Very very biased view and interpretation of history. Different way of seeing what happens but but lack some basic facts originated since 2nd world war thta explains much better the situation. Interesting view but poor analisys and conclusions. Just falls short of explaining Russia actions.
He's explaining them now. It's because Putin is evil, according to him and we expected him to behave rationally. We were too kind to Putin.
He's a joke. How do morons like that become professors? Give lectures? Teach others?
One strange and disturbing part of the human condition is that our perceptions and beliefs about the world do tend to manifest in objective reality. Just because something is not true does not mean that it will not happen. In fact the more counterfactual these beliefs are the more likely they are to become reality.
Now, the above statements this might sound a little crazy so let's give some concrete examples.
So lets assume that we have person A who believes that the government is out to get him. Without knowing any of the specifics in this case we can conclude that the beliefs of person A are either
1. True. As in the case where A lives in East Germany and holds from the governments point of view deviant beliefs. In this case A's beliefs correspond to reality. This is also the best possible outcome because A's correct judgement will
prevent him from doing anything stupid. With a little luck A might even end up in West Germany.
2. False. As in the case where A lives in Iceland. In this case A has misjudged the situation. A's beliefs are false but the stronger he believes in them being true the greater the likelihood of the government locking him up in a mental institution. A's
beliefs may be false but this does not mean that the government will do him no harm.
And so it is with international relations. The Russian government has correctly or incorrectly judged the EU to be an enemy. In the case where the EU is an actual enemy they have made a correct decision. This does not mean that Russia will become victorious but at least they have correctly recognized a threat and acted accordingly.
However in the case where they have made an incorrect judgement they have now made the EU an actual enemy. You cannot treat the EU or any large and powerful states like the US as an enemy and not produce a hostile response. If Russia's goal is to destroy the EU then regardless of how EU previously saw the situation they will at the very least make the destruction of the Russian government a priority. Threats of this kind are not to be taken lightly.
thing is that the only way russia will succeed in destroying EU and USA is by launching nukes. In any other case - all put 9 to 1 , that russia will fail as a Country. The only way for it to survive is to back up and start playing by the rules.
Wu Tang Ghostface Killah There is no universe in which launching nukes will save Russia. They might as well blow their own brains out.
This would be my personal solution, because you will not want to experience what will happen next. Those remaining hours, days or even months you will not want.
Wu Tang Ghostface Killah How many wars starts by usa and how many by Russians?
TheTigerbomb2 you know. I fight sometimes, on the streets. I punch people right in their faces (when successful). So I know the difference beetween punching people because they harassing other people and punching people because you want to take their wallet. So, basically, fuck you. Got it?
Wu Tang Ghostface Killah No. I don't get it. So fuck you too.
Next time you comment I suggest you read your comment two, three or perhaps in your case four times. Propaganda is useless if nobody understands what the fuck you are saying. Got it?
I used to watch RT sometimes before it was banned and I've never seen the panels of 5 people, each with 5 accounts of what's happened. This statement by this random dude really makes me think that this guy is just making his confused audience settle in and enjoy the comfort of the official narrative. To discourage you to do your own research.
Yea watch something sometimes and when you don't see what he describes they have never done that. Excellent Argument.
I also watch RT sometimes, because i do my own research. And these formats he describes exist. But far more imported the Basic Concept is used a lot.
It is often that you see not in One Panel a lot of different Arguments. But that the come up with different explanations each day. The result is exactly the same.
I've watched a lot of RT and never seen those or other '5 guys' either. In fact I've seen commentators from all countries, politicians, military people etc. particularly Americans who speak their minds and are not interrupted too. Very diverse opinions from not the usual suspects.
Rather confusing and getting more so as the story is told.
Some is right most is wrong.
He left out the whole russification period of Catherine and Peter
And in the 2000s the EU did what hilter did and looked east for gas and grain.
But it could never let Ukraine join as it would bankrupt the EU.
So they meddled and funded neo naughties
The maidan was hijacked by the west and armed elements until the coup. But it remained well into the new regime which brutally put it down.
The west funded and forced two revolutions on the majority who voted against it.
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At 10:43, he's wrong. Some European nations are old, some are very new. This lie that he's repeated comes from an Allied decision in 1918, primarily from the British Propaganda Department.
The only way he's even tangentially right on that part is the artificial divisions through ethnic pockets by the "winners" of the world wars, where they deliberately divided people to keep nations weak via internal conflict... and some they outright invented by force (Kosovo)
@@powkung45 Indeed. And we aren't even looking at the Middle East!
While mentioning significant dates he conveniently forgot to mention 1783 when Catherine the Great established the Russian naval port of Sevastopol in Crimea. There's plenty that appears to have been "missed".
Mmm, I’m a layman & have what I hope is a healthy scepticism about learn’ed academics & their opinions.
This was quite interesting but no mention of the fact that when Gorbachev agreed to the re-unification of Germany, Bush senior promised him on behalf of the American people, that NATO would not move any further east towards Russia, fast forward to today, & there are American troops in Ukraine managing their U.S. made missile defence system !
For such a young country the U.S.A. has an un-enviable track record of starting wars, invading sovereign states, assassinating political opponents, causing more death & destruction than any other state in human history 😖
Oh yeh, & lest we forget, they now have a “Space Force” with the goal of achieving “ Full Spectral Dominance” of planet earth 🤬 Bury my heart at wounded knee 🦬🏹
Any link on this so called promise? Was that some sort of written document? I never heard Gorbachev ever talking about that. It just feels like something, that people, who love to blame the US for everything not good that happens on this world mention, something Putin LOVES to talk about, but I am yet to see any evidence that this is something real.
So well said
Shockingly accurate and an example how the current war came about and what it means
This is anything but accurate .
I cannot imagine why you got shocked by the accuracy if you are already in position to judge that is accurate..
You forgot to mention that back there when it was no Ukraine and no Moscowia, the language before and after christian conversion was Ukrainian. So, is not weird? No territorial nation, but the whole population spoke old Ukrainian (Ruthenian). Russia and Poland tried to eliminate Ukrainian language, to polonize and rusificate the entire nation: banned the language, destroyed Ukrainian academy, banned books in Ukrainian, replaced Ukrainian speaking people from their rightful territories. But we are still here, and will be here. Right now Ukraine try to survive the new attempt to genocide. Ones again.
Ukrainian survive genocide ?? You have been swallowing too much western propaganda straight down without thinking, or you have to bee azov or fahrright person in Ukraine.
Are you aware of Ukrainian military azov killing thousands of Russian speak citizens in Ukraine since 2014, are you aware of Zelinsky forced Russian speak children speak Ukrainian in schools `? Are you aware of US trained Ukrainian military azov same years as Ukrainian military azov working with genocide on russian speak citizens 8 years before Russia went in ?
Are you aware of US helped ukrainian military azov bombing russian speak regions in Ukraine with drones Desember 2021 ?
Are you aware of Billionaire zelensky kicked out 11 parties in Ukrainian Parlament couple month ago, only keeps fahrright nazzis ?
ZelinUSpuppet fighting for democratic Ukraine ? Western media totally silent, dont mention his best friend corrupt Obligarch Kolomoyski who funded his presiden campaign, missing billions from Ukraine Bank. Suddenly Zelinsky got super rich, not strange US have a tight grip around Zelinsky ball´s. Everybody see he is under US command. US training azov, reminding me of middle east wars.
Zelinsky are only a false western media made hero, truth about Ukraine are spreading out. Russia had to denazifie Ukraine, genocide had to stop. Western media closed their eyes for 8 years because US wanted to job in Ukraine undisturbed.
Worst now, are Ukrainian military does not care about Russian speak citizens. We all see how Ukrainian military uses civilians as human shield in every village and city, Azovstaal and azot factory showed all how they using civilians as human shield. They even tried to exchange hostages for food, just unbelievable. We all see military hides in every city among civilians, see Odessa and Kyiv. Not any Ukrainian military azov who building up any defence system around citys to protect their citizens or infrastructure, they building military bases inside appartements and public buildings. Western mainstream media support it, they blame Russia for killing civilians, Zelinsky know all military are legit target, still he hides his military azov behind civilians. Because western mainstream media helping Zelinsky crying for more weapons and money, because it Russias fault he are hiding his military behind civilians. Unbelievable to witnesses this insanity, never seen so much lies ever in media.
@@andrehunter1295 you will be surprised but half of soldiers from Asov are russian speakers.
American historians need to educate themselves. I see this often - "Cyril and Methodius invented Church Slavonic language". Factually, they invented an alphabet called the Glagolitic.
NO ONE CAN INVENT A LANGUAGE.
Dr. Bot.
Very good and precise speech. I'm native Ukrainian, active revolution participant and middle class representative and I agree with everything he said. Literally. I'm surprised with such deep understanding. Awesome.
What is more remarkable about what he said is what he did not say. About Ukraine's history during WW2. Propaganda thru omission is still propaganda even though that which is spoken seems to make perfect sense.
To leave out the horrible event at Babi Yar and the murderous rampage against Poles during the war and the well documented role of the Asov battalion seems to indicate a strong revisionist history going on here.
As for a history lesson of Ukraine it had more value but his analysis us severely biased towards Euro leaning nationalists in western Ukraine, long associated with the Austro- Hungarian influence and modern Germany. In fact the western city of Lviv was called Lemburg and Ukraine was part of various empires which left the western part against Russia and the eastern part pro Russia the main contention of this war. He says very little if anything substantial about this.
"We will aid Ukraine, so, we fight Russia there, not here."- Adam Schiff. 2020.
Geo politics for dummies
@@nataliadagon Didn't Adam Schiff (and others?) say that in 2017? Perhaps he keeps repeating it. I don't see/hear this ever on MSM.
@@dennisa946 Could be as they planned this war for decades..
Kissinger was saying in early 90s that their biggest achievment will be war between two slavic nations of Russia and Ukraine.
I started to watch this because at the start he seemed like a knowledgable, no nonsense kind of commentator. By the middle, i learnt that he is not. By the end, i concluded that he is dangerous. This friendly professor Is the same face of propaganda feeding a false interpretation of history on impressionable young people.
An NED/CIA chump!
Wow. I found Synder's description of the Russian strategy to be projection: he could be describing US strategy. US fomented and armed Ukrainian factions in a civil war which has expanded into a proxy war.
it's called the Unipolar world with US as a "benign hegemon"
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If there are three dodgy assumptions in the first sentence of the video description, how can I trust the claim that Timothy Snyder is the "world's leading historian of Eastern Europe"? Those shouting "propaganda" the loudest are often upset that their antithetical propaganda isn't the only hogwash out there, and Snyder is no exception. Case in point, his rant against "post-modern stuff" at 48:30. He thinks discussion between several people with multiple viewpoints trivializes important events; turning them into "nothing" . How that conclusion can be drawn from what he said we will never know but, regardless, what alternative is there other than promoting one explanation for the event? This explanation will probably be unproven (no-one knows what happened to MH17), and I expect it will be one that he regards as "reality"? Snyder is fighting for propaganda, not against it. It's a shame that someone this biased, with no concept of what distinguishes politically desirable assumptions from evidence-based facts, could be teaching at a prestigious university. Put this man in a science class. It will make him a better historian.
"Until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Ukraine had never been an independent state." Ever
" Borderland: A Journey Through The History Of Ukraine".1999
Ethnic Russians lived on this land long before Bolsheviks created the Soviet Ukraine in place of Southern Governorates of Russian Empire, Bolsheviks created Ukrainian Soviet Republic in factitious, artificial boundaries , with Russian speaking areas such as Donbass, the industrial hub of Russian Empire, included in it. With the following forceful Ukrainization of Ethnic Russians in Ukraine in compliance with "Korenizatsiya", meaning literally - putting down the roots aimed at strengthening Soviet Power in the area..
Not true! Ukraine would have been independent for a long time but Stalin had other ideas.
It was independent after the Russian revolution of 1917 or so until over ran by Stalin’s USSR
@@jfryer485
Ukraine didn’t exist until 22 January 1918
Ukraina -okraina literally means on the end of…
@@jfryer485
Artificial Soviet Republic of Ukraine was created by Bolsheviks in artificial boundaries in 1922, it was one of the Soviet Socialist Republics, it was an integral part of the Soviet Union, with centralized system of management and State Governmental Planning. Since the time of Russian Empire, the Southern Governorates of Russia, Donbass, the industrial hub of Empire, ( in 1922 included by Bolsheviks in republic Ukraine ) these Southern territories of Russian Empire were intensely developed, influenced by location, climate, proximity to the Black Sea with its ports and cities built by Russia, long before Bolsheviks created Ukraine.
Before the Soviet Ukraine emerged "by the virtue" of Bolsheviks, the short lived "Ukrainian People's Republic" was proclaimed originally. Read "New York Times", 1918. article "Dismembered Russia- Some of the Fragments" - briefly about Collapse of Russian Empire and New Nations on its remnants,
"New Nation - Ukraine", as a fragment of Russian Empire after the Revolution.
Some important facts about this "New Nation - Ukraine" within 1917 - 1921:
There were endless "Military conflicts between different governmental, political and military forces: Ukrainian nationalists, anarchists, Bolsheviks, the forces of Germany and Austria-Hungary, the White Russian Volunteer Army, and Second Polish Republic forces.
The Allied forces of Romania and France also became involved.
The struggle lasted from February 1917 to November 1921 and resulted in the division of Ukraine between the Bolshevik Ukrainian SSR, Poland, Romania, Chechoslovakiа.
The conflict is frequently viewed as one within the framework of the Southern Front of the Russian Civil War of 1917-1922, as well as the closing stage of the Eastern Front of the
First World War of 1914-1918."
Wikipedia English provides reliable data with references and external links..
@@larisasayenko1604 Yes, so basically you agree that there has been Ukraine as a country before its recent declaration as an independendent nation over thirty years ago.
Last time it got swallowed up by USSR agression.
This time it is being swallowed up by Russia in the power of a Russian criminal with no right to rule Russia let alone Ukraine.
In fact in light of it earlier experience it had a guarantee of respect and safety from Yeltsin, which has been dishonoured several times, 2004, 2014 and now 2022 by Putin.
After the first World War the maps were changed a lot.
Today we live in a world where International Law respects sovereign nations.
This means the situation of the war between Ukraine and Russia is serious not just for the 15 million displaced and deported Ukrainian families but involves the whole world once more.
Putin has the chance to withdraw from all occupied Ukraine territory or most likely inflict more horrors on the modern world.
@@jfryer485
it was only proclaimed as a New Nation, but it was not capable to function to establish itself as an Independent State, it was a time of War, every new coming day there was a new ruling government and the new political power in Kiev, it was a failed State from the beginning it was swallowed not but Stalin but by the chaos, disarray and disorder, wich followed absolutely logically and naturally by collapse and disintegration, and it was split between Poland, Checkoslovakia and Romania, it was the territory of the Russian Empire, and in absolutely natural way certain part stayed with the Motherland Russia. As a Ukrainian Soviet Republic. As an integral part of the Soviet Union. Neither Poland nor Romania or Checkoslovakia, they did not provide any kind of autonomy to the fragments of this "New Nation" which became newly appropriated parts of their States. And only in the Red Russian Empire in the Soviet Union Ukraine get status of Republic in 1922,
And thus, again: "Until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Ukraine had never been an independent state." Ever
" Borderland: A Journey Through The History Of Ukraine".1999
The current USA war in Syria and the 2019 "Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act", for example, pose a problem for some of Prof Snyder's benevolent arguments about the USA. In 2014, the problem was not known, nor did have the developments it has today. It is understandable. Thanks Prof Snyder, anyway for the Brilliant way you summarized and explained of Ukraine's problems, in Hystory perspective. Never the less, I bet more on efficiency in "solving" the problem, in Mearsheimer's political science perspective.
@Jon Little I think you're right. But unfortunately for the Romantics - all of us - propaganda only trumps doctrines when we refer to doctrines that do not underlie force. The USA give names to things, after those who invent it, Monroe, one example. Russians are more closed, they are just honest and face-to-face, and say what they admit, and what they don't admit. If Ukraine was located in Panama, or in Cuba, and it crossed his mind to "put-Chinese-or-Russian-missiles-at-the-USA-door"... he he he... cabum for sure, nuclear, if necessary, no doubt.
@Jon Little He he he ... folks are not states. Try to say to mongols (in 1245), they where illegals, or immoral, or criminals. Powers (and Super Powers), are not good company. Mexico is comprehensive to that. The solution for people (not for country's) is change geography, go to another place. In Mexico case great number of Mexicans (and a great number of south american's), do that. If Ukrainians don't like geography, they have no more rights, than Panamanians, Nicaraguans, and so on.
@Jon Little Wrong. Who go out of Minsk was Ukraine. Who sign in reserve, was Ukraine. And let me say, here, I'm not war adept. Not of Russia, not of Ukraine. My north is, Russia is a great power. I understand that loud and clear (is not my wish, is the reality I see). And Ukraine is going to be smashed down, erased, USA don't care. This war, is not Yours war. You don't need to bee killed in USA interests name. This is my north. Not mooch Ukrainians.
@Jon Little Try it.
he he he
Watch video "Ukraine War: Made in Switzerland" on channel "Giureh" and the its video on Putin the Black Prince.
Okay, up until like min 30-32 I was interested and though “maybe he has a point”, “let me write this down to verify the info” etc. But at min 39 I was like “how is this nonsense can be told with a straight face by an academic”?!
Edit: Done some basic search on the presenter. He calls Putin’s politics “schizo-fascism”, which explains his skewed view on the matter for me. Take this talk with a big grain of salt, since in the end there are less and less facts and more and more interpretations (through a specific speaker’s viewpoint)
True. Right now Putin and Biden are going eyeball-to-eyeball and while watching this ridiculous propaganda lecture I have to shake my head. Professor Snyder has created a western narrative and it does not line up with the facts as I have witnessed them over the past decade and the past half century. He is so full of himself that I keep thinking that he will slowly rise up from the lectern and float on out into the hallway, his rapt ignorant audience gleefully following his nauseating voice. In the future I will avoid Timothy Snyder like the Covid. The truth, the reality of Ukraine et al can be found in the excellent YT post of September 2017, a lecture: "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? featuring John Mearsheimer, the University of Chicago R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in Political Science and Co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago.
@@jereuter01 Surprisingly, I've found Mearsheimer to be the only "alternative voice" on the topic of Ukraine. If you know any other good speakers that are not biased towards the "Western values are the only truth", please let me know 🙏🏻
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+Aivot Narikkaan No sun nikki kertoo kaiken jos sä uskot tähän paskanjauhantaan. Kunno idiootti.
The first document that mentions a person by nationality as a Ukrainian dates back to 1660. This is a record of a student from Kyiv in Padua, Italy, as a representative of the "Ukrainian nation"
Joz. Daniel Dzik, vicaryuz katedralny lucki «natione Vkrainensis de districtu Kiiouiensi.
That is, "Ukrainian from the Kyiv region", or if according to the original of the first intelligence and translation from the excellent researcher G. Nudgy:
"Yosef Danylo Dzik, cathedral vicar of Lutsk, nationality - Ukrainian, Kyiv district."
Can anyone explain what he meant by american history being older than european?
he's a propagandist. in short.
Alex Istinspring you are zombie, in short
You're delusional idiot. In short.
Alex Istinspring Once again, I am writing in response to Cadet Alex Istinspring's expositions, and once again, I merely wish to point out that Tartuffism has nothing to do with Fabianism. But first, I'm going to jump ahead a bit and talk in general terms about how Alex could use some etiquette lessons. Then, I'll back up and fill in some of the details. Okay, so to start with the general stuff, I have a scientist's respect for objective truth. That's why I'm telling you that Alex is malevolent, disreputable, and balmy and shows no inclination to change. Do I blame society for this? No, I blame Alex. He maintains that he values our perspectives. That's not just a lie but is actually the exact opposite of the truth-and Alex knows it. Why is Alex deliberately turning the truth on its head like that? This can be answered most easily by stating that Alex's paroxysms are more than just despicable. They're a revolt against nature.To quote the prophet Isaiah, “Woe to ye who flout all of society's rules”. By refusing to act, by refusing to stand up and fight for our heritage, traditions, and values, we are giving Alex the power to restructure the social, political, and economic relationships that exist throughout our entire society. He's a model of wanton sleaze, a perfect picture of ingratitude, a paradigm of recidivism. As such, Alex is reluctant to resolve problems. He always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that if this letter did nothing else but serve as a beacon of truth, it would be worthy of reading by all right-thinking people. However, this letter's role is much greater than just to shed the light of truth on the evil that is Alex. If Alex's self-deceiving slurs became more widespread, it would spell the ruination of this country.Would we, as thinking people, believe swindlers who tried to tell us we're all heartless? I say “no.” I appreciate feedback and other people's views on subjects. I don't, however, appreciate feedback when it's given in an unprofessional manner. In Alex's limited horizon he himself is the important object. As a sequence to this self-conceit, he imagines that the only way to expand one's mind is with drugs-or maybe even chocolate. We therefore need to explain to him that his opinions raise a number of brow-furrowing questions. I'm referring to questions such as, “What is his secret agenda?” It's questions like that that surely get people thinking about how Alex's factotums very much belong to an intellectual closed shop. They refuse to entertain the possibility that if we let Alex sow the seeds of terrorism we'll be reaping the crop for quite a long time.I've observed at least one of Alex's devotees calling for a return to that which wasn't particularly good in the first place. This is absolutely indicative of the unprofessional, ungracious, and unacceptable behavior that is so endemic to Alex's junta. Dadaism is a kind of prison. It is also, paradoxically, a haven. It is at once confining and empowering. And in the absence of alternative havens, Dadaism will for many of Alex's understrappers continue to be a source of comfort, something to free them from having to confront the fact that I, for one, have seen numerous lethargic, stentorian used-car salesmen effectuate the downfall of all that is decent and civilized. What's sad is that Alex tolerates (relishes?) this flagrant violation of democratic principles and the rule of law. That just goes to show that in the midst of our mighty struggle to provide an atmosphere of mutual respect, free from Bulverism, materialism, and all other forms of prejudice and intolerance, I have seen too many people stand on the sidelines and mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities. I have watched too many people accept without challenge Alex's crotchety, cynical claim that he's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live. And I have observed too many people fail to realize that I find it necessary, if I am to meet my reader on something like a common ground of understanding, to point out that you may be worried that Alex will plunge us into the vortex of militarism within a short period of time. If so, then I share your misgivings. But let's not worry about that now. Instead, let's discuss my observation that Alex has planted his janissaries everywhere. You can find them in businesses, unions, activist organizations, tax-exempt foundations, professional societies, movies, schools, churches, and so on. Not only does this subversive approach enhance Alex's ability to force women to live by restrictive standards not applicable to men, but it also provides irrefutable evidence that he does not tolerate any view that differs from his own. Rather, Alex discredits and discards those people who contradict him along with the ideas that they represent.Before you know it, Alex will find a country in the midst of a civil war, install a ramshackle provisional government, and instruct that government to force us to tailor our crusades just to suit his crass whims. Sounds pretty subversive, doesn't it? But is it any more so than Alex's immature treacheries? One might conclude that he spews lies as easily as a squid squirts ink. Alternatively, one might conclude that one task that rests on all of our shoulders is to reveal some shocking facts about his complaints. In either case, I am truly at a loss for words when he asserts that a book's value to the reader is somehow influenced by the color of the author's skin. He can't possibly be serious. I suspect that the real story here is that I'm not in the habit of giving advice to Alex's bilious worshippers. However, there's always a first time: You guys should stop advocating fatalistic acceptance of a duplicitous new world order. I, not being one of the many irascible, gruesome stumblebums of this world, admit I don't have much confidence that they'll follow that advice, but it's important to make it known that there are some basic biological realities of the world in which we live. These realities are doubtless regrettable, but they are unalterable. If Alex finds them intolerable and unthinkable, the only thing that I can suggest is that he try to flag down a flying saucer and take passage for some other solar system, possibly one in which the residents are oblivious to the fact that Alex and his conveniently bribed allies have been embarking on wholesale torture and slaughter of innocent civilians. As bad as that is, it represents only the thin end of the wedge. Sometime soon, Alex will likely insult my intelligence. Now that you've read my entire letter, I hope you've concluded that my plan to challenge Cadet Alex Istinspring's victim-blaming ideology is deserving of serious consideration. IN SHORT
Are you imply i would read this chunk of bullshit? What a pathetic hope.
All was good - until the speaker started to talk about modern Ukraine and Russia. Top down approach to history can be dangerous. Bottom up approach is the one any Historian has to follow.
I agree
"any Historian has to ..." sounds pretty "top-down" 🙃
Your are right, it is not about Russia and Ukraine. It is your turn now.
from Reality to Propaganda
Another BOT?
"reality" according to lying bunker midget, Putler himself! ;-)
The history about Polish march-past is fake; I know it supposed to be a joke, but actually joint Polish-Ukrainian forces that entered Kyiv were massive, so there was no need for such a trick
Here's a man who has never heard of "color revolutions"
I agree but it is funny how much emotion the good professor waste, knowing that US propaganda is doing it routinely. Karma catches up with US. But US never is wrong, isn't it? Laughable!
His view was questioned by Marlène Laruelle, Research Professor at The George Washington University, who accused Snyder of "distortions, inaccuracies, and selective interpretations."[19] She wrote:
Contrary to [Snyder's] claims, the Kremlin does not live in an ideological world inspired by Nazi Germany, but in one in which the Yalta decades, the Gorbachev-Yeltsin years, and the collapse of the Soviet Union still constitute the main historical referents and traumas.[35]
I loved the history lesson, but what I am missing is the complete lack of mentioning any US interest and interference.
These types of presentations seem so biased without taking an objective standpoint of view for both sides!
I would also love to hear this guys take on the US invasion of the middle east...
Jc40k Russian fantasy? Hard to judge the russians so harshly when the US is the head of the sanctions, sending equipment to the Ukranian military in april www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/05/us-sending-advisers-gear-to-ukraine-/10046845/, then further increasing it in November www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/21/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-exclusive-idUSKCN0J426U20141121
and with recently leaked documents shows that it's a lot more aid and not only "non-lethal" than officially stated. (although newly leaked documents need to be confirmed before jumping to conclusions) cyber-berkut.org/en/
and all of that is just the tip of the iceberg.
People need to wake up and realize that there is no "good" guy vs "bad" guy here and start opening their eyes beyond mainstream media. The propoganda from both sides is horrifying.
DalianDK Well look at that - more "non-lethal aid" in the form of 100 tanks www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/2/us-army-sending-100-tanks-eastern-europe-deter-rus/
DalianDK
are u here to spread lies or you are just inattentive? I mean the link with the tanks. Tanks were sent to enforce NATO not Ukrainian military. Reagrding mentioning "US interest" wasn't it to much for one lecture? And russias interests are kind of obvious, with all that tanks and missile systems (thousands of them) and occupied territories (Crimea). So do you think couple of US military advisers and some non-lethal weapons is symmetrical? BTW sending advisers and non lethal weapons is LEGAL and invading territories and supporting terrorism - is not. PS. I'm not going to argue on US middle east activities since I do not know the background, but in this case of Ukrane I do very good, since I live here.
First of all I would like to offer you my sympathy and I hope that the conflict in your country will be soon resolved in a peaceful manner.
Sometimes people in the middle of the conflict are the most blinded ones by the chaos and confusion that ensues with these events. Especially in these times where wars have become so hidden from the public, it is hard to see through propoganda (coming from both sides) and truly see what activities are being undertaken in the hidden light (of both sides).
Time plays no role until both sides to an argument have been fairly and objectively presented. Imagine a lecture on i.e. fast-food which only presents the good nutritional value of fast-food, the low cost of producing it, how many people it can feed, how easy and promptly obtainable it is etc... and then completely leave out all the negative aspects. That's what I feel like this lecture was - one-sided!
You say state-supported terrorism is a bad thing, well, I would recommend you to do some research on these saviors of yours before you put all your faith in them.
www.alternet.org/world/35-countries-where-us-has-supported-fascists-druglords-and-terrorists
Right now Putin and Biden are going eyeball-to-eyeball and while watching this ridiculous propaganda lecture I have to shake my head. The truth, the reality of Ukraine et al can be found in the excellent YT post of September 2017, a lecture: "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? featuring John Mearsheimer, the University of Chicago R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in Political Science and Co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago.
Only John Mearsheimer...
Good god!!!! Not even trying to make it believable?? Just project away Timbo
Really fascinating presentation. You must wade through history to reach the speaker's points, but the conclusions are worth it.
lol, don't listen this imbecile. If you want to know history better to read wiki instead of take this propagandist clown seriously. And a LOT, a LOT are so dumb that can't even check the facts this "historian" spreading in a way Goebbels could be proud.
Alex Istinspring, and your arguments are ... ? If anything you just proved his point!
SheltaPavee can not into wikipedia?
***** Nice try. That is exactly what the guy just lecrured us about. "this man lies"? "yes I do, but EVERYBODY does that". Thing is that it is NOT TRUE.
I guess an honest historian is something that is hardly existent. Historians of all times have been busy to satisfy their masters writing down what they have been ordered and interpreting the past the way the order was saying it should be interpreted.
Yet this outrageous interpretation of European history is exemplary in it's falsehood, boldness, hypocrisy, and bigotry. If Yale's Mr. Snyder is the beast of Yale's historian department, I feel sorry for Ya\e's students because all they can learn from people like that is conformism and bending over backwards for the 30 silver pieces of grants.
Shame!
so, if you are going to post such a claim, you should at least list with some substance at least three, if not more, major falsehoods, hypocrisies and bigoted statements he makes, one by one and offer your non-rhetorical critique of each - please, I am interested . . . .
Right now Putin and Biden are going eyeball-to-eyeball and while watching this ridiculous propaganda lecture I have to shake my head. Professor Snyder has created a western narrative and it does not line up with the facts as I have witnessed them over the past decade and the past half century. He is so full of himself that I keep thinking that he will slowly rise up from the lectern and float on out into the hallway, his rapt ignorant audience gleefully following his nauseating voice. In the future I will avoid Timothy Snyder like the Covid. The truth, the reality of Ukraine et al can be found in the excellent YT post of September 2017, a lecture: "Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? featuring John Mearsheimer, the University of Chicago R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in Political Science and Co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago.
Yes it is awful and reactionary but no doubt he is a true believer in what he is saying. It's a bit contradictory though that he talks about democracy and propaganda and then suggests that it would be better to give only one version of events, ie his own, ie 'the truth', rather than five competing versions like RT, ie a debate that invites the viewer to think.
another rusian BOT!
well then he took the price from Chrystya Freland, the granddaughter of a Nazi collaborator who printed his newspapers on the equipment of a Jew who died in the gas chambers, whom he handed over to the Nazis - everything became clear with Schnyder. He is an omnivore
Cheers from Ukraine, an absolutely magnificent talk, which holds true even in 2022
This historical rendition by Snyder on the Ukraine is very confusing.....When the Vikings came down, they encountered the Khazars converting to Judaism in Kiev??
The Khazars were Turkic and occupied the area between the Black and Caspian Sea that periodically seiged upon its neighboring countries, including Crimea and the Ukraine.
The Khazar's did not convert to Judaism in Kiev, they were in their own country because of the upheaval that was going on at the time between their position and their neighboring countries, and not wanting to side with any, used Judaism as an excuse to be neutral. It was not about religion, it was about power play,,,,
Contrary to what Snyder stated that the Vikings found the Khazars in Kiev, does not ring true with History, in fact, sitting in Kiev in 988 were the Kievan - Rus and ruling at the time was Vladmir,
A quick look at History, shows us that Vladmirs rule came about by Rurik in 870-1000, who came down from the Northern parts and when Rurik died, his son Igor being too young, was succeeded by Oleg in 882, and Oleg merged the 2 cities of Novgorod and Kiev which became the Captial.
When Oleg died his son Igor became king in 913 and when he died, his wife Olga -945- took his place. Olga had converted to Christianity, the Greek Orthodox......and when she died, her son Sviatoslav 963 - took over and when he died in battle, his son Yaropolk became king in 972. Yaropolk had a half brother called Vladimir who he had expelled but Vladimir raised an army, came back, disposed of his half brother and became king in 988...
When the Vikings came down via the trading route into Kiev, it was Vladmir that was sitting in power in 988, not the Khazars......Vladimir is important to the Russians because it was through his search of the Religions, that he settled on the Greek Orthodox religion from the South. and his eventual marriage to Anna, the daughter of the then Byzantine Emperor, moved up to Keiv and under a decree by Vladimir, everyone was to adopt Greek Orthodoxy.......Thus, Kiev for the first time, became Christian..... and Central to the Greek Orthodox Church..
But this history did not begin here 870-1000, it began many years before......Russia was birthed in the Ukraine......in Kievan - Rus. nor did the Rus, simply disappear as Snyder purports and as for the Khazars, they were dispersed after their fall, the Kaghan king, with his elected officials and a few of his followers, moved into Southern Russia, and others to Spain, Portugal,
+Topcat Exactly. *It is called history falsification.* Snyder the liar is a U.S state department propagandist on subject of Ukraine.
CD Anon......They will go to great lengths to cover the truth. Totally agree with your statement Anon.....
Topcat Amen for having intelligence +1. This sham artist and a liar is incredibly popular in Poland and the Baltic states where pro-Nazi, anti-Jewish and anti-Soviet internal policy of historical revisionism has been the norm since break of USSR. So much so that he has been awarded from two of the Baltic states their highest medal award! He is also one of those people who have simply added their fantasies Ukrainian history which did not exist before in any documented historical facts.
PS. I have a map from 1987, a study done in slightly earlier showing Russia's ethnic composition and i do not see the word "Ukraine" or "Ukrainian" ANYWHERE on that map. I see only the word: "Petit Russes" where modern geographical Ukraine exists, though its missing the "Grand Russes" lands given by Bolsheviks. 3rd ethnic group is "Blanc Russes". Plus many many other non-Russian ethnic groups. Damn, even the ESTONIANS are shown there, but no mythical "Ukrainians".
Excellent lecture in explaining how we got to where we are today.
48:30 Great example of how propaganda like Russia Today works. It's so important people understand what they're doing and how insidious and damaging and it is to western values and institutions.
To gomey 70: I am amazed as to how you can spot Russian propaganda but are blind to the US propaganda we are fed! Amazing!
@@jubeanie2730 Too much western values will do that to a person.
This guy is very limited in his understanding of this conflict, he connects his field with assumptions and emotional statements that I can prove to be falacious without any effort. And he does not provide the complete context for the conflict in Ukraine, and even whitewashed the US meddling in Ukraine.
His lecture is propaganda :) he fooled everyone . The Obama Nuland Soros are behind the 2014 neonazi coup in Kiev.
@@tamimq5895 The history of the area is quite colorful.....
Most Empires have had a foothold in the area.....
He lost me when he said "we, Americans are actually an OLD nation". Now I know he's just fabricating and creating new history. Americans are actually Europeans who stole land and ethnically cleansed it from it's original inhabitants, the indigenous native Americans. But here's a run down memory lane. The first documented visitors who briefly settled in North America were the Vikings. This is well documented and there's archaeological evidence of it in Newfoundland and Labrador. Followed by Chinese traders, then various seafarers, until around 1400s when the slaughter began by the Europeans, mainly from various ethnic western European areas such as Ireland, Scotland, Britain and France, to ethnically cleanse North America and steal the land from the Native Americans. So no, you're not an old nation, a stolen one but certainly not an old nation.
Make it an old state then, which is true. And stop whining!
Force to Ukraine!
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He makes a lot of weird assertions, and suggesting America is an old nation in comparison to the redrawn European borders of the 20th century is silly, America and Canada were tiny fragments of what they became over those hundreds of years.... but I disagree with your assertion that it was based on ethnic cleansing, the vast majority was empty, and the indigenous people let them take the land for the most part, having a different conceptualization of land
This talk is a great intro to the reason that Trump was impeached, the first time.
He was impeached because he stood in the way of starting new wars
Your understanding of the European Union is either based on a misunderstanding or you have oversmplified. The European Union is an imperialist organization.
Bravo! to his subtle remark on how US is on its way to becoming an oligarchical system (where a minority of elites control nearly all of the wealth) and how we adopt similar propaganda tactics as the Kremlin.
I love Schneiders ability to accuratly disect a geopolitical conflict and eloquently convey the motifs of regimes and how it relates to us in the west.
This talk has aged perfectly since 2014 seeing how things have unfolded now both in Ukraine and in the west.
It's funny seeing the Russian trolls in the comments below trying to undermine his points when 8 years later we see (and have clear evidence of) a cancerous Russian authorian state continuing to meddle with Western views on democracy and freedom. All because its a threat to the Oligarchs pockets and their Impirical aspirations.
Russian Oligarchs want the Russian people to be stupid and direct the faults on the West so they can continue to be exploited.
The Ukrainians are much smarter however and are fighitng to overcome this tyranny.
Glory to Ukraine!
This appears to be the analysis on which the US has based it's Russian policy.
It's tailored to US narrative that turned Ukraine in a nazi state in 2014.
The problem of Ukrainian identity is simple. They all speak Russian as a mother tongue and try to deny it because it is profitable now. All their presidents, military officers, state officials are native Russian speakers. Some of them like president Kuchma, Kiev mayor Klichko or ultra nationalist Yarosh were even born, grown up and educated in Russia itself far from Ukraine. My roots are from Ukraine, but I never been there. If I decided one day relocate there and speak Ukrainian language in public it will take me a few months to achieve. I know plenty of Russians without known Ukrainian roots who moved to Kiev from Moscow due to political, business or personal reasons and many hard born western Ukrainians from Lviv who moved to Moscow. The former Russians are the most pro Ukrainian political activists in Kiev and the former hard core Ukrainians are the most pro Russian activists in Kremlin camp.
Unfortunately it is hard for the US professor to understand.
Flunked the chance to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
The russian propaganda is scary as hell because its very efftive
Interesting,
1.Professor can summarize Ukrainian nationalism without ever mentioning the Volyn massacre of Poles by
Bandera's legions
2. without mentioning the new Kyiv regime's lionizing of Bandera and naming streets for him
3. without ever even mentioning Bandera!!!
Total whitewash!!!
I agree with you,
It’s a propaganda
Only Russian propaganda uses 'Kyiv regime's'😄
If it's regimes why russian president was the first foreign leader who admits 'regime'
Hello, Julia,
what do you think happened to all those polish villagers in the Volyn region in the summer of 1943?
I really would like to know why President Yuschchenko declared Bandera to be a "Hero".
Most of comments are from fake accounts of russian bots and occasional believers. Good. Hope it will raise this video in popularity because it tells the story of today, even though it's 8 years old
It's very one sided with a lot of spin based on a false assumption which goes somewhat like this: Russia absolute evil, EU absolute good.
Fortunately there's a lot of footage from eyewitnesses (everyone's got a smartphone these days) that truly reveal that this MSM official narrative is super biased.
But it takes time to research. It's much easier to join a western circlejerk.
Check out the Watchdog Media institute YT channel for example.
@@averageamerican6727 I'm not looking for conspiracy theory satisfiers. Msm media this time is right. But they turned this war into a movie where good guys should win. I feel that nothing is for sure, evil often wins in this world. Russia is modern day fascist state that is savage to its own people and brutal to outsiders, that Russian society is violent and brainwashed this is also often omitted. This is not emphasized enough.
@@Cola_Dulz well, I thought so too but then I looked deeper. Spent a couple of weeks watching raw footage from the late 2013 to late 2015 and now I know better.
The New Atlas, The Duran, a documentary by Oliver Stone - Ulraine on Fire all deal with the actual facts.
It takes looking in history a bit as well. Talks by the late pror. Stephen F. Cohen, prof. John Mearscheimer, even Noam Chomsky... They all called is at it really is.
It didn't need to be this way but now I don't mind if Russia conquers Ukraine. They'll take better care of them than Ukrainian lying officials did since 2014. Kiev & Lvov are Russia. Slava Donbassu. Deal with it.