The footage between 5:45 & 6:05 gives an idea why the US military didn't adopt the Tucker tiger. Get a load of rhe upper-body sway as ir rounds a relatively flat-pitched corner, then check out the near-roll experience when it performs a relatively small jump. The vehicle was too narrow & high, low in carriage and small in tyre, & lacked the basic off-road rough terrain capacities essential for multi-theatre operations.
thats bhy far not the worst part. It is a 5 ton vehicle that is only powered with 1 axle. It failed the sand pit test so hard they gave up on any further testing.
If I remember correctly, the movie about the creator of this armored car starring jeff bridges and directed by francis ford coppola is called " Tucker: the man and his dream". came out in 1988. he was a pretty ingenious car designer which is what this movie is mostly about, but I remember this armored car a topic of that movie back in high school in oh probably 99. It was a good movie that has flown under the radar. but as you can see with it having a famous lead and director, its worth watching.
A few comments, that 37mm gun mounted in the film would not have the armour piercing capability of the 37mm on the M3 light or the M3 Lee. Watch the films, you can see the suspension is already overloaded and the vehicle low ground clearance both contributing to it impacting the ground on numerous occasions. The speed part is overrated, as by the time the US ground forces became involved in North Africa, the opportunities for sweeping manoeuvres in the deserts was over. Now with a lot of work it may have done better than the armoured jeeps the US used for scouting, but the Ford Lynx/Humber Scout car and Damilar Dingo was already in production for that role. The Staghound would be a much better all round Armoured Car than this could ever be. Lets not mention the one man turret either. An interesting side bit of US armor history and thank you for doing the video.
Ground clearance looks horrible but does appear to have a slick bottom at least but think it would of sucked in the pacific and the desert. A lot of weight on only 4 wheels. The army was probably thinking the same thing. Being fast it’s only use could be a scout but being stuck to only roads it wouldn’t fulfill that role good . AA only needed to keep up with everything else and the M16 seems like it could hold more ammunition and had better off road abilities.
GamingWithThaCeep _ if they did it probably wouldn’t do much better than some the other armored cars. The squeeze boy is about the only one that seems to have speed and power. Maybe the m8 which is only in China’s lineup for some dumb reason they give Sherman’s and Stuart’s to everyone but we can’t have a m8 in the us tree!
Yes, because a rapid deployment support vehicle is never needed. My word, how did these decision makers ever get beyond selling lemonade? This would have been an affordable game changer at any theater.
Tucker was so far ahead of his time that he didn’t realize wars usually were fought on offroad hence why the army rightly rejected it since the Tucker Tiger was horrible offroad
Tucker was a victim of his ignorance actually. His contraption got stuck in a sand pit test, its important for military vehicles to be able to drive offroad dont you think?
Tucker left out the part that the US army really rejected it because the Tucker Tiger got stuck in a couple inches of sand or mud. Its kinda important for military vehicles to be able to drive offroad dont ya think?
I admit that I had never heard of this vehicle before now, so I did some checking -- it was fast, because it was running a modded Packard V-12 on a 10,000lbs chassis, which was more than 7,000lbs less than the M8 "Greyhound", and c.2,500 lbs less than its direct competitor, the M3 Scout Car...That weight had to come off from somewhere, and that means that it came from its armor -- or lack thereof. That thing would have been a deathtrap for its crews in action, far more than its competition, whose armor sucked as it was. I also want to see footage of it actually firing its supposed "37mm autocannon" because that rate of fire, from that large of a weapon, implies a _LOT_ of recoil impulse, and I'm not buying it from that lightweight of a frame without proof -- a dual .50 BMG is not a 37mm. I would also wonder how long it would take, before you'd get catastrophic frame failures on so light a chassis.....The US Army in WW2 generally made pretty good choices in vehicle procurement, given what they had to work with, and the fact that they passed on this vehicle (although the USN & USAAF did use Tucker's turret design) speaks volumes about the it, rather than the Army.
Can you imagine if it had come out just a little sooner and we had lend/leased them to Greece and Libia??? It would have stopped the Italians before they could even get started. God knows the French would have loved them. When they got outmaneuvered by the Germans this car could move fast enough to reposition and slow/stop the Germans. 20-20 hindsight.
God bless the souls of those who hypothetically wouldve gotten this thing now knowing that Tucker didn’t forsee that armored vehicles needed to be able to drive offroad
It might have been a logistics issue? Ar first glance it has a lot of "non standardized" special parts. The wheels/tires a pecially tuned engine special gun/ammo. Do the (few) perceived advantages advantages justify the disturbance in the logistics? The support this car had to do was also already and better achieved by (overwhelming) air support. The off-road capabilities might have been not as good as portrayed being just a 4 WD. There's a reason the USA Greyhound and the German armoured vehicles switched over to 6 WD and 8 WD. The speed and the fire support could also be handled in a better way by ground attack fire support by airplanes which was available in great numbers at that time on the Allied side.
I learned about this from when I was a kid who liked cars, I was interested in the tucker torpedo the car he made around 47 48 after I saw a couple in car museums... I think this would have been useful in some situations being very fast and armed with 37mm that could provide local air defense from strafing also be effective against soft ground targets even light tanks, but I assume the military had some reason to reject it maybe they wanted more armor... I bet the long range desert group would have liked it lol
The speed is ridiculous keeping in mind it has a high profile and many normal cars couldn't go 114 back then, my 2003 impala was governed at 115 dont ask how I know that but driving on i 95 at 115 is kinda scary I wouldn't want to take a tall armored car with 1930s suspension that fast
It definitely didn’t need more armor that would made the real problem it had worse. The issue it had was that it was piss poor in offroad conditions, wars as you know alot of times are fought on all types of terrain not just paved roads
Lots of misinformation and speculation based on movies and Tucker advertisements abound on this "thing" it was crap and would never would have worked and the Army knew it. This car weight 5 tons, had a high center of gravity, had 4 wheels, a narrow wheel base, and was driven by only the two rear wheels which adds up to being great on roads but totally useless off-road, It failed the sand trials and they did not even attempt the mud or the incline tests. As for the turrets, other companies designed and built various turrets for various airplanes. Tucker had little to no influence on turret design.
Tiny tyres on a narrow wheel base combined with high centre of gravity causing poor off-road performance and inclination to roll when traversing contours. Not beneficial traits in multi-terrain operations.
Honestly, this is the first time I have ever heard anything about this armoured car, although it's creator is known to me. There seems to be a lot of negative comments where ever this vehicle is mentioned. With a bit more development I personally think this would certainly of been the reconnaissance vehicle of the Allied forces. In North Africa it would of been invaluable as a scout, mounted with the twin .50 cars would if been enough for most of the Axis tanks of the time, plus give a higher rate and wider spread of fire whilst moving. There is no gun or turret that would zero in on this at speed during that period. As soon as I saw this I laughed at the image of American troops looking at their empty motor pool as the S.A.S and LRDG skip off into the distance with their new plunder. This is where these would thrive, if sure devastation can be delivered from slower completely unarmoured vehicles, imagine what they could do with these. Are any left in existence today?
They would’ve been laughing in their bunkers as they see the Tucker Tiger get stuck in the sand and have to get pushed by US troops only for them to get mowed down by a buzzsaw. Tucker Tiger failed because of its awful offroading
Interesting thing as were all of Tucker's things. Pretty sure that this wasn't really a practical idea. The speeds quoted alone wouldn't have been supported by the tyre tech of the time.
He sounds like an interesting man. I would have loved to see what the British SAS could have done with these instead of the Jeeps they for airfield raids in North Africa. 👍
They didn't decide anything. The current car manufacturers used all their power to destroy tucker because his cars were years ahead of them and would've put them out of business. So at the expense of American lives they destroyed him. How's that for a monopoly. Imagine how many lives could of been for not the greed of a few.
The footage between 5:45 & 6:05 gives an idea why the US military didn't adopt the Tucker tiger.
Get a load of rhe upper-body sway as ir rounds a relatively flat-pitched corner, then check out the near-roll experience when it performs a relatively small jump.
The vehicle was too narrow & high, low in carriage and small in tyre, & lacked the basic off-road rough terrain capacities essential for multi-theatre operations.
thats bhy far not the worst part. It is a 5 ton vehicle that is only powered with 1 axle. It failed the sand pit test so hard they gave up on any further testing.
If I remember correctly, the movie about the creator of this armored car starring jeff bridges and directed by francis ford coppola is called " Tucker: the man and his dream". came out in 1988. he was a pretty ingenious car designer which is what this movie is mostly about, but I remember this armored car a topic of that movie back in high school in oh probably 99.
It was a good movie that has flown under the radar. but as you can see with it having a famous lead and director, its worth watching.
His cars were interesting for sure.
I loved that movie ,it had a great cast . It's really a shame what the big 3 did to him and by doing so they car design and saftey was set years back
Looks top-heavy with that big domed turret, yet they're still able to chuck that thing around the test course.
Great find man!
114 mph ? I find that difficult to believe.
A few comments, that 37mm gun mounted in the film would not have the armour piercing capability of the 37mm on the M3 light or the M3 Lee. Watch the films, you can see the suspension is already overloaded and the vehicle low ground clearance both contributing to it impacting the ground on numerous occasions. The speed part is overrated, as by the time the US ground forces became involved in North Africa, the opportunities for sweeping manoeuvres in the deserts was over. Now with a lot of work it may have done better than the armoured jeeps the US used for scouting, but the Ford Lynx/Humber Scout car and Damilar Dingo was already in production for that role. The Staghound would be a much better all round Armoured Car than this could ever be. Lets not mention the one man turret either. An interesting side bit of US armor history and thank you for doing the video.
I'd stay with the armoured cars if possible.
Good job !
I can't wait till the Chieftan notices you...
For years it was assumed that the Tucker Tiger was an actual tank until a someone dug up the archives several years ago.
Ground clearance looks horrible but does appear to have a slick bottom at least but think it would of sucked in the pacific and the desert. A lot of weight on only 4 wheels. The army was probably thinking the same thing. Being fast it’s only use could be a scout but being stuck to only roads it wouldn’t fulfill that role good . AA only needed to keep up with everything else and the M16 seems like it could hold more ammunition and had better off road abilities.
I think you nailed it.
WE NEED THIS IN WAR THUNDER!!! These are so FUCKING cool!
GamingWithThaCeep _ I mean the R3 was just a prototype too that is a cancer so why not the US tree a cancer that actually would of fought ww2 tanks
does not worry me that it did not see combat & i dont think its would be as bad as the R3
GamingWithThaCeep _ if they did it probably wouldn’t do much better than some the other armored cars. The squeeze boy is about the only one that seems to have speed and power. Maybe the m8 which is only in China’s lineup for some dumb reason they give Sherman’s and Stuart’s to everyone but we can’t have a m8 in the us tree!
An armored car with that kind of performance would be useful today.
It would have been interesting to have seen what it could have done in the different combat theatres
Yes, because a rapid deployment support vehicle is never needed. My word, how did these decision makers ever get beyond selling lemonade? This would have been an affordable game changer at any theater.
Just like his later automobile, Tucker's armored car was ahead of it's time. Naturally, both were commercial failures.
Tucker was so far ahead of his time that he didn’t realize wars usually were fought on offroad hence why the army rightly rejected it since the Tucker Tiger was horrible offroad
Tucker was a victim of bad politics.
friend less
Tucker was a victim of his ignorance actually. His contraption got stuck in a sand pit test, its important for military vehicles to be able to drive offroad dont you think?
I don't know if it's the lack of tires or what, but I feel that armored or armed wheeled vehicles were very underutilized in ww2.
Greyhound etc are very good vehicles. Was there a need?
It was awesome and should have been implemented for sure.
It had terrible offroad performance, which is kinda important for a scout car
Oh awesome
Why they always make mistakes?
Why armies never take something that looks good
@@jackjerker895 or they were just idiots
NIH
Tucker left out the part that the US army really rejected it because the Tucker Tiger got stuck in a couple inches of sand or mud. Its kinda important for military vehicles to be able to drive offroad dont ya think?
I admit that I had never heard of this vehicle before now, so I did some checking -- it was fast, because it was running a modded Packard V-12 on a 10,000lbs chassis, which was more than 7,000lbs less than the M8 "Greyhound", and c.2,500 lbs less than its direct competitor, the M3 Scout Car...That weight had to come off from somewhere, and that means that it came from its armor -- or lack thereof. That thing would have been a deathtrap for its crews in action, far more than its competition, whose armor sucked as it was. I also want to see footage of it actually firing its supposed "37mm autocannon" because that rate of fire, from that large of a weapon, implies a _LOT_ of recoil impulse, and I'm not buying it from that lightweight of a frame without proof -- a dual .50 BMG is not a 37mm. I would also wonder how long it would take, before you'd get catastrophic frame failures on so light a chassis.....The US Army in WW2 generally made pretty good choices in vehicle procurement, given what they had to work with, and the fact that they passed on this vehicle (although the USN & USAAF did use Tucker's turret design) speaks volumes about the it, rather than the Army.
Can you imagine if it had come out just a little sooner and we had lend/leased them to Greece and Libia???
It would have stopped the Italians before they could even get started.
God knows the French would have loved them. When they got outmaneuvered by the Germans this car could move fast enough to reposition and slow/stop the Germans.
20-20 hindsight.
God bless the souls of those who hypothetically wouldve gotten this thing now knowing that Tucker didn’t forsee that armored vehicles needed to be able to drive offroad
It might have been a logistics issue? Ar first glance it has a lot of "non standardized" special parts. The wheels/tires a pecially tuned engine special gun/ammo.
Do the (few) perceived advantages advantages justify the disturbance in the logistics? The support this car had to do was also already and better achieved by (overwhelming) air support.
The off-road capabilities might have been not as good as portrayed being just a 4 WD. There's a reason the USA Greyhound and the German armoured vehicles switched over to 6 WD and 8 WD.
The speed and the fire support could also be handled in a better way by ground attack fire support by airplanes which was available in great numbers at that time on the Allied side.
The off road capabilities was the biggest reason why it was dropped, during testing it instantly got stuck in the terrain
@@PaperThinArmor An off roader that can't do off road is a bit of a conundrum 😉
I learned about this from when I was a kid who liked cars, I was interested in the tucker torpedo the car he made around 47 48 after I saw a couple in car museums... I think this would have been useful in some situations being very fast and armed with 37mm that could provide local air defense from strafing also be effective against soft ground targets even light tanks, but I assume the military had some reason to reject it maybe they wanted more armor... I bet the long range desert group would have liked it lol
The speed is ridiculous keeping in mind it has a high profile and many normal cars couldn't go 114 back then, my 2003 impala was governed at 115 dont ask how I know that but driving on i 95 at 115 is kinda scary I wouldn't want to take a tall armored car with 1930s suspension that fast
It definitely didn’t need more armor that would made the real problem it had worse. The issue it had was that it was piss poor in offroad conditions, wars as you know alot of times are fought on all types of terrain not just paved roads
a slow war makes more money than a fast war bro
please vid on the panzeratrappe meili from switzerland
TOO COOL ! :)
Dune Buggies before they even existed.
It got stuck in a sand pit test hence why the army dropped it....ironic
Lots of misinformation and speculation based on movies and Tucker advertisements abound on this "thing"
it was crap and would never would have worked and the Army knew it.
This car weight 5 tons, had a high center of gravity, had 4 wheels, a narrow wheel base, and was driven by only the two rear wheels which adds up to being great on roads but totally useless off-road, It failed the sand trials and they did not even attempt the mud or the incline tests.
As for the turrets, other companies designed and built various turrets for various airplanes. Tucker had little to no influence on turret design.
Excellent again. Rare and detailed. Great gun, but given the overall performance, I suspect weak armor. Thanks!
...And then the Chieftain rips it apart.
Tiny tyres on a narrow wheel base combined with high centre of gravity causing poor off-road performance and inclination to roll when traversing contours.
Not beneficial traits in multi-terrain operations.
It would have definitely saved lives in the ardennes just using it as a ambulance.
Honestly, this is the first time I have ever heard anything about this armoured car, although it's creator is known to me.
There seems to be a lot of negative comments where ever this vehicle is mentioned. With a bit more development I personally think this would certainly of been the reconnaissance vehicle of the Allied forces. In North Africa it would of been invaluable as a scout, mounted with the twin .50 cars would if been enough for most of the Axis tanks of the time, plus give a higher rate and wider spread of fire whilst moving. There is no gun or turret that would zero in on this at speed during that period.
As soon as I saw this I laughed at the image of American troops looking at their empty motor pool as the S.A.S and LRDG skip off into the distance with their new plunder. This is where these would thrive, if sure devastation can be delivered from slower completely unarmoured vehicles, imagine what they could do with these.
Are any left in existence today?
During tests it performed terrible in sand, so not really suited for Northern Africa
They could have had an armoured jeep long before they adopted the Willys jeep.
Could you imagine the freak out the Germans would had have on d day with this thing
They would’ve been laughing in their bunkers as they see the Tucker Tiger get stuck in the sand and have to get pushed by US troops only for them to get mowed down by a buzzsaw. Tucker Tiger failed because of its awful offroading
Interesting thing as were all of Tucker's things. Pretty sure that this wasn't really a practical idea. The speeds quoted alone wouldn't have been supported by the tyre tech of the time.
He sounds like an interesting man. I would have loved to see what the British SAS could have done with these instead of the Jeeps they for airfield raids in North Africa. 👍
so advanced for its time. looks like to the panhard VLB of today
They didn't decide anything. The current car manufacturers used all their power to destroy tucker because his cars were years ahead of them and would've put them out of business. So at the expense of American lives they destroyed him. How's that for a monopoly. Imagine how many lives could of been for not the greed of a few.