@@eden20111 yeah and he was more smarter now because of the things he's been through also i was shock that he spotted people that will wrong him and he was really careful of saying a thing to them so people he loved will not be hurt
mAjOr *OFFICIAL* sPoilErS Bill hunts down Ellie because she took his 'magazine' and in the process of looking for Ellie, Bill encounters Joel and kills him because the truck that Joel got with the help of Bill didn't last 24 hrs...
I don’t get people like you... spoiling the major plot points for everyone else. Have you nothing better to do? lol yes. The cycle of violence is just bill getting increasingly more violent, destroying everything and everyone in his way.
That quote from Halley Gross is incorrect. She said people should be able to go into part 2 having never played part 1 and still feel like part 2 has a complete story, a beginning, middle, and end. She did not say that part 1 and 2 are supposed to feel like together they have a beginning, middle, and end. She was trying to drive home the point that they wanted to make this game a complete story on its own without letting the idea of a possible sequel influence where they went with the story.
Thanks for the correction! I was watching both the PSX panels for this video and I think In one of them Neil says something along the lines of how part I and II form this larger story when he was explaining the reason it was called part II instead of just 2? I can’t remember exactly but I think that’s how I may have mixed it up.
You're right, I had forgotten he had said that. It almost kind of contradicts what Halley said actually. Been enjoying your content though, I appreciate the thoughtfulness you put into each video. It's nice to hear from someone looking at everything from all angles!
Hmm. And you’re right! It kinda does. How strange.. Also thank you! I try my best to not be absolute, explore different perspectives and not be dismissive of any theory even though I may not agree with it. obviously I make mistakes sometimes like you pointed out here but I’m glad you’re enjoying it :)
Fun watching this now that part 2 has long been out. I love how Naughty Dog drops the most subtle hints that really encourage people to think and theorize. Some of the theories that people had seem so far off track now that we know, but at the time they were all perfectly viable.
If Dina's the one that dies then she needs to be an amazing character otherwise I'm not gonna feel the same motivation Ellie feels and that could leave me kind of empty
Yeah of course they could. I’d love to see a Joel and Tommy prequel set during the 20 years prior to the first game. Following them from the death of Sarah until they fall out.
now this makes me think that you play as joel for the ending of the game. similar to how you switch to ellie in part one, you will end as joel in this one with a third and final installment (parts 1, 2, 3.)
if Joel survived 20 years of the apocalypse he surely can shr 5 more years but we'll see who dies in the last of us part 2 it'll all be relieved when the last of us part 2 comes out
I will say that I think the reason Joel looks cleaner and healthier is because he's been living in a civilized area for some time now. He has food, can bathe, and if he's living at the settlement, he probably doesn't need to carry supplies around, since he'd just be keeping them at his home or wherever else he stays. It's possible that he decided he wanted to give Ellie the revolver as a sort of token/gift, or just in case the stray clicker wanders too close for comfort.
That is a very good point! Haven’t heard that before but it certainly makes more sense than him being some mental ghost lol. Especially if it’s supposed to take place in the general proximity of Jackson.
You just earned a new subscriber brother good thing shit keep it up! All this theories, aaaa man this is exactly how i theorize and think about TLOU ll too, cant really wait till this masterpiece gets released!
Ah appreciate that Nero! I’ll do my best :) And I know right? I feel like I know less the more time passes even though we’re getting new information. So many theories..
Hey you actually took up that part with the Jacket that looked like Joel's :) Gotta say, those are pretty valid points you're making here. Especially your interpretation of the official blog post and the wording of "people who hurt the ones you love". This actually doesn't hint at anybody's death. In fact, something like sexual assault could have even more impact on the players and would deliver more complex story line. However, I just can't shake off the feeling that there's still gonna be at least one major death case at some point in the game. Whether it's gonna be Joel or someone else we, of course, just cannot know at this point. My bet's on Tommy if it's neither of the main protagonists. That would make the most sense as well. There's a good explanation to that theory in one of the videos I sent you yesterday. Anyways, I'm ranting ☺️ Awesome video, as always, appreciate your work, buddy 👍 Also, that 1000 subs mark is getting closer and closer, you can smell it already 😀 🌟🥇 Alexa, play "Simply the best" 😎🎶
Oh there’ll be deaths for sure. People died left right and center in part I. Not expecting any less from part II. Still haven’t seen all of em but I’ll do that today since I’m not busy working on a video. And yeah damn it’s gonna happen today. I’m not ready hahah
The first game tells you Joel is a brutal Survivor not just a survivor he does whatever it takes to survive. Ellie is a survivor but she is not as ruthless as Joel. Troy Baker the man that plays the voice of Joel even said that Joel is more villain then hero and that's what I think 2. Part 2 is just going to be a rollercoaster of not knowing what's going to happen
I know. If there’s anyone that could survive pretty much anything it’s Joel. His only weak spot is Ellie. So if he ends up dying I’m sure it’d be in the process of protecting her. As for him being the villain I always considered him more of an anti hero. But it’s of course also possible to interpret him as the villain too, especially with how he acts at the end of the first game.
I agree it is strange how they introduced Joel. The only reason I could see them doing it that way besides him being dead is they just wanted to make a stylistic trailer.
I really don't want this to be what actually happens butI feel like Joel will be the one that dies. I don't think Dina dying would give Ellie as much rage as it would if Joel died. This would obviously the biggest and saddest death in the game just like it was in TLOU1 when Sarah died. The game 20 years later after Sarah's death though sort of gives back to Joel by giving him Ellie who he treats just like his own daughter. I feel like it'll be the same for Ellie ( I know Joel is a way more developed character than Sarah so they can't just replace him with somebody else) but the character that would "replace" Joel would need to have a huge impact on Ellie and I can't think of it being anyone else except her mother, Anna. The trailers of the mystery woman (Anna) aren't of a different timeline, they're of the same timeline as everything else in the game, she's probably just in a different city and we'll get to know more about her and where she's been as the game goes on.
Honestly bro at this point I don't know what to expect The Last of Us Part 2 I'm really hoping that Joel does not die and I'm really hoping that Ellie doesn't die but anything can happen and naughty dog might actually pulled the trigger and have both characters die.. of course maybe not maybe Joel and Ellie will live again in part 2 but either way it's going to be just like Troy Baker said again that we are not ready to play when it comes out..😓😓
I second that. Despite all this new information it just seems to get harder and harder to predict. I hope they both make it as well but there’s no way I can be sure.
I have a strong theory that this cult might be tied to the fireflies in some way and it seems the fireflies had decent strength toward the western side of the country especially considering salt lake city is not too far from Seattle. So they might be heard what Joel did to the fireflies even though they were responsible for his actions by being antagonistic toward him.
The seraphites have been confirmed to have been around since the outbreak. Still even if they were a part of or evolution of the fireflies I don’t see how it could’ve happened. The only similarities between them is the obsession with light/fire. But when it comes to actual ideology and motives they seem very different. The fireflies want to find a vaccine and restore democracy in America. But the seraphites seem almost anti technology and I doubt they have any interest in restoring America.
Im not sure how this Game's Storyline is going. But one thing wonders me. Wasnt there the "Child thing" at some point in the speculations. That someone is "with child" in this game.. Now that could be very much related to this Revenge theme.. But like you said, i think this game quite much needs these main characters. As in its core this second game is too about Relationship of these two, Joel and Ellie. So.. Its quite hard to understand how that would work otherwise. Its bummer tho that we have to wait a LOT still before this comes out 😒
Yeah Neil confirmed that someone is indeed pregnant in part II. And yeah I could see how that could be used for the violent disruption. And yeah ikr. Hopefully history doesn’t repeat and this is the one and only delay.
The fact is the naughty dog is making the game so realistic and so grounded that will it just makes sense that joel will eventually die because as real as these characters feel to me nothing would hurt me more playing as ellie and going on this revenge quest to avenge Joel's death and have a meaningful impact on the players as the story goes on. I also feel mystery woman was added for a reason and believe is to replace joel perhaps she is even the one to kill joel and towards the end after you have been a team with her ellie realizes she is the one all along and now you have to make a decision and that's why the hate theme or perhaps this is Dina's fault all along knowing that ellie is a bomb to go off and wants her separated from the town in order to capture her and create the so call vaccine after ellie reveals to dina that she is immune to the virus?.
Yeah I agree Joel dying would probably hurt me more than anything in any form of entertainment has done to this point. Though I doubt ND are planning to replace him. They’ve said at multiple times that tlou is about Ellie *and* Joel not one or the other. But yeah they could always go back on that of course but I wouldn’t be happy with it.
@@TheiPadCat he also said in an interview that uncharted thieves end they would never kill nathan drake because it's more light hearted. Meaning anyone in the last of us 2 is in danger. And if you think about no studio kills off their main characters but this time I believe they will to be impactful and a lot of feeling because they know we feel attached to these characters.
My new theory is that fire flies raped Ellie to get her pregnant with an immune child since they were hell bent on the success of the human race and they killed Dina because she was of no use to them because she was only used as bait and they partnered up with a few factions to get their numbers and gear back up and Ellie wants to kill everyone involved and those who stand in her way and sadly the WLF and Seraphites are apart of those who stand in her way and I truly hate to say it but I believe the main reason Ellie wants revenge is because the fire flies came back into her life ruining it because one main possibility is that she was raped
Well the fireflies have been confirmed to be in the game one way or another. So it’s not impossible. Though if they ever got to Ellie a second time I’d say they’d try to do the same thing they did in part I before trying to get her to have a child. But who knows
I don't actually think the mystery women is Ellie mom or sister because they said someone gonna get pregnant in the last of us part 2 and since the last of us part 2 is gonna have two timelines like the left behind dlc maybe the mystery women is Ellie daughter from the future
Yeah seen that theory pop up a bit lately. Idk how I feel about it but it does solve some of the problems I had with the Anna theory such as the environment being way too deteriorated for it to be set in the past.
I have a feeling Ellie will die in this game. It seems like she's taking on more than she can handle, even with Joel's help. As for an ending with Joel and Ellie being the only survivors, I kind of like that idea. Maybe there's an all-out war with the Seraphites or WLF, and they storm Jackson, killing almost everyone there. Maybe this is the "cost" of Ellie's revenge.
“Devastating physical and emotional repercussions” was how they put it on their website I think. Whatever it is that ends up happening as a result of the cycle of violence I could definitely see all of those options happening.
Since people still want and think Joel might die If u want to shock people Kill Ellie - that will destroy peoples lives I prefer it..and thats most likely
Them killing joel will have an impact on Ellie but not the world they live in so it doesn't do much in the long run killing ellie on the other hand it impacts joel it gives a revenge story and rids the world of a cure for good and joel will have to come to terms with the fact he delayed the envedeble and saved Ellie from a heroic peaceful death and doomed her to a brutal meaningless one
@@reeceburns8077 Nah I doubt they will go that route. This isn't a heroic tale. Naughty dog knows that killing the younger and most capable character with the immunity would be a mistake for other entries in the series. I think killing joel and Sam would be really messed up because has lost so much and now it keeps happening and she can only blame herself for everything that has happened. Then again killing ellie would probably mean the end of the last of us at least for these 2 characters as joel would be too old to do anything beyond this is he even survives in a last attempt to save ellie again and they end up dying together after hating each other throughout the entire game just to realize they could live without one another like father and daughter.
@@GForceIntel But what I wrote did not described a heroic tale infact it described a lot of tragedy and failure just as joel tried saving his own daughter she died now he could fail with Ellie and that would be a much bigger slap to the characters face because instead of letting ellie die peacefully and let her save mankind she could be brutally murdered so Joel's efforts to save her in first game could end up really pointless making it even more depressing and joel having to realise how he failed her lied to her and saved her from a peaceful death just to end up being brutally murdered so joel would have failed again at saving his daughter but actually more depressing his poor decision making would have lead to it and mankind will be officially shit out of luck for a cure
@@reeceburns8077 yeah it sounds good but I dont think naughty dog would repeat the joel lost his daughter again. Anyways i know for a fact whatever they decide to do will be groundbreaking and amazing. Can't wait to play this masterpiece.
@@GForceIntel just saying I think it would be better then joel getting killed because all it is a revenge story then because sadly for joel he's not an important part of the world they live in and besides his name being mentioned in later games his story is completely over making him being the main playable character in the first one pointless where if they kill Ellie it's important to joel because she's like a daughter and it's important to the rest of the world because she's their cure
Great video. I'm really excited for Last of Us 2. It would be dope if Joel dies (if he HAS to...but let's face it, he prolly will. He's pretty old) But it would be dope if he dies in some badass way, but he returns, like you said ,younger, in Ellie's mind. Idk, maybe Ellie 's immunity is wearing off and she's slowly turning and going crazy. And, it would be super sweet if she gets rage mode that turns her into Joel. And You play as Joel and you're able to be brutal and beat the shit out of people. But when you run out of rage meter, you return to Ellie. Like, on some Fight Club type stuff.
It's true i rather Joel turns out to be the villain instead of getting killed. Because the 2 core characters are what made this franchise successful and popular. Nothing more intriguing than seeing these 2 resulted in a twist from kinship to mortal enemies. That's where you see the split of 2 groups of ppl, who would be Team Ellie, and who would be Team Joel. That'd be exciting! ;)
Well Joel n Ellie’s relationship is the core of the story. At the end of part I they were as close as can be. So the only way to go with it in part II, at least initially is downhill. And yeah a “team Joel vs team Ellie” situation would probably even one up the ending of the first game and how divisive that was.
I wanted so hard that the character who we now know as Abby, was in fact Ellie's mother and that we would have the chance to go back in time, and witnessing the life of such a mysterious character.... :(
Of course. "Devastating physical and emotional repercussions" is how ND put it on their website. But if there's anyone who can survive anything the apocalypse throws at him it's Joel. Still, we don't know, and I'm not sure what to think. All we can do is wait for launch
Hey buddy I have something that I been thinking about and I want to share it with you I think I know who died in that room it’s Maria Tommy’s wife let me explain why ...in the demo Ellie she goes after tommy to save him and it shows that she did succeed in saving him but not his wife I think people attack Jackson and destroy it and take some hostages 2 of them are tommy and Maria what do you think ?
Well if it indeed was Maria that could explain why Tommy also would want to go to Seattle for revenge. Only thing that makes me unsure is that when he tries to stop Ellie from going he doesn’t seem distressed at all, which you’d imagine he’d be if he’d lost his partner.
I don't think Joel is dead. Him being dead would make the game a bit similar to Batman: Arkham Knight. Naughty Dog is far more complex then this. I think that the end of part 1 was the point where Ellie and Joel's relationship fractures. That's from where the story will continue. Maybe we will see their relationship being rebuilt but I think realistically in a normal life that won't happen.
I dont think joel is going to die as it wouldnt make sense. They never intended to make tlou2 and definately wouldnt have if either joel or ellie died. They prolly decided not to make tlou3 but if they kill ellie or joel the option becomes no longer available as they are the franchise. No company that has any clue about business would kill a franchise with no possibility of return on a profitable franchise its business suicide. They may decide atm no tlou3 but will give themselves the viability should they change their mind.
Yeah that was why I was so certain neither Joel nor Ellie would die before. Though I’m not too sure about a possible part iii anymore which is why I’m uncertain about Joel’s fate.
@@TheiPadCat ya i understand that but tlou is a massive money maker even if naughty dog didnt want to make a 3rd its doubtful they would leave the option null and void, they could always let someone else take over like they did with unchartered.
They could always make prequels/spinoffs too. I’m sure Sony would have a thing to say about letting one of their flagship franchises just end like that. There might just not be a part iii as in a continuation of the main tlou story
I think ellie is going to slowly start to turn and I don't think I'll be able to Handel it probably pop the disk put last of us 1 in and cry as I scream ellie's name what would make it even more sad is if joel holds her and says no not another one please and it cuts to black and you here ellie make a clicking noise and joel screaming
Yeah that theory has also been a very popular one for a long time. And what an unexpected twist it’d be if Joel ends up being the only survivor. Though I’m not sure if i buy into the whole “losing immunity” thing but regardless, cool theory!
Before the trailer where they falsely advertised the game, everyone expected him to die but no one expected it to be that disrespectful and dumb. I guess they just wanted it to be shocking. I thought that you would play as Ellie and with Joel as your side character and then at the end of them game you find out that Joel was dead the whole time and a figment of Ellie's imagination. I really went into TLOU2 wanting to like it and I managed to avoid spoilers. But I had to force myself to finish the game. It just shows that if the Story is not compelling to you, the rest of the game won't be able to carry it. And the game drags out for way too long. I love the gameplay but 25 to 30 hours of the same thing makes it feel way longer than it actually is.
Well she’s been fighting both of the new factions, the WLF and the seraphites. Though if that’s because they were in her way or actually wronged her remains to be seen.
Tommy Dies and the mystery woman is ellies daughter and Joel has 50 / 50 chance of dying.. But if he does itl be bc of old age p.s. Noone dies of just old age but you know what I mean.
Well if that ended up happening it would probably be the most unexpected twist in ND history. Not necessarily the Ellie dying part but the hell one haha. I mean personally I doubt it but I’m not dismissing it. Anything can happen and hey maybe it could be cool!
Troy Baker said something about himself dying in the last of us in the last uncharted 2 retro replay video, I left a timestamp somewhere in the comment section. P.S: The channel gave me a heart and a like but they took it off seconds later and only left the like somehow.
It's Joel putting the gun in the bag, you can tell if you look at the Twitter of naughty dog and see the official art with Joel having the same tattoo....i still think he's gonna die tho .-.
I’ve seen people theorising that it’s Joel because of the hands looking kinda old. But there’s no shot you can actually see if it is Joel or Ellie to my knowledge. And personally I doubt that they got matching tattoos but who knows, we haven’t seen Joel’s bare arms yet.
I cant see Naughty Dog killing off such a popular character and the protagonist from the original....it would end any talks about a part 3....im still hoping we play half the game as Joel
Simple the only way to kill a franchise, is kill off either one of these 2, or both. But killing them off just for shock factor, Naughty Dog needs to rethink whether the corporate decision is a wise one. After all millions of dollars revenue as come from these franchise, killing either Ellie or Joel would be the stupidest corporate decision ever made, where they had a good thing going, yet letting it slip from their hands. Perhaps the shock factor would come where we get to witness Ellie's mother for the first time, who knows. ;)
I mean they could always do spinoffs. A prequel for Joel for example or a new story with new characters set in the same universe. Though yeah I do agree. It would be very stupid from a business standpoint to end it.
@@TheiPadCat LOL true, but we all know spin-offs are usually the lame cheesy alternate knock-offs which never works like hello - FFX-2 (YuRiPa) anyone? Lol Let's hope the extension of release date will help refine the storyline and tweaking of character plot lines, which I suspect reasons for so is the last minute changes because knowing the initial story ending for Part 2 will not sit well with general audience. Hence the extension of release date imo. Lol
TLOU3: Ellie and Abby "link up"... Dina claims Ellie as JJs Dad. But Ellie is more concerned with earning the parental role of Lev. So they all go back to the farm and form the actual meaning of a blended family ✂️ ✂️ ✂️ Knowing Druckman, and all the "woke companies" tryin to get a good ESG rating, it'll prolly happen🤦🏾♂️
Neil Druckman did say TLOU doesnt exist without both Ellie and Joel. I dont see Joel dying being one of the two main characters of the series. Why kill em off when ya could make a part 3 and make more millions?
Yeah I know. That was my main argument before. Though I’m not so sure there will necessarily be a part III anymore. Doesn’t mean there can’t be more tlou games though, maybe a prequel or spinoff with one of the characters. Though I’d still very much prefer both of them to survive
This may be true in The Last of Us Part 2 but Joel doesn't live in Jackson he actually lives in an abandoned Library and occasionally visits Ellie every once in awhile
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Well, we know the answer now.
Yea. He lived.. it's funny how everyone thought he was gonna die. His regeneration ability came as a surprise. Wasn't expecting that
@@eden20111 yeah and he was more smarter now because of the things he's been through also i was shock that he spotted people that will wrong him and he was really careful of saying a thing to them so people he loved will not be hurt
He had a med-kit on standby
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@@eden20111 WAIT REGENERATION?
Remember when everyone thought Abby was Ellie's mom 😂
I never did. But neither did I think she would be who she is either so yeah I guess lol
I thought she was the first time you play as her.
I thought that too!🤣🤣
mAjOr *OFFICIAL* sPoilErS
Bill hunts down Ellie because she took his 'magazine' and in the process of looking for Ellie,
Bill encounters Joel and kills him because the truck that Joel got with the help of Bill didn't last 24 hrs...
I don’t get people like you... spoiling the major plot points for everyone else. Have you nothing better to do?
lol yes. The cycle of violence is just bill getting increasingly more violent, destroying everything and everyone in his way.
TheiPadCat the hole story already leaked
Sony better dropped the game soon cuz everyone is spoiling everything already
@@hype2beast119 man that second half leak fuck it like literally
@@TheiPadCat and it's much worse than you think, more than that bill theory above
@@havertzthefuturegoat2518 man like where this got so bad. Was a fan of the first after part 2 not so much I mean it just ruined the first for me
I like how much detail there is. Ellie even uses the fifth fret to tune her guitar. Its so mindblowing.
Don't people always use the fifth fret to tune their guitar?
That quote from Halley Gross is incorrect. She said people should be able to go into part 2 having never played part 1 and still feel like part 2 has a complete story, a beginning, middle, and end. She did not say that part 1 and 2 are supposed to feel like together they have a beginning, middle, and end. She was trying to drive home the point that they wanted to make this game a complete story on its own without letting the idea of a possible sequel influence where they went with the story.
Thanks for the correction! I was watching both the PSX panels for this video and I think In one of them Neil says something along the lines of how part I and II form this larger story when he was explaining the reason it was called part II instead of just 2? I can’t remember exactly but I think that’s how I may have mixed it up.
You're right, I had forgotten he had said that. It almost kind of contradicts what Halley said actually.
Been enjoying your content though, I appreciate the thoughtfulness you put into each video. It's nice to hear from someone looking at everything from all angles!
Hmm. And you’re right! It kinda does. How strange..
Also thank you! I try my best to not be absolute, explore different perspectives and not be dismissive of any theory even though I may not agree with it. obviously I make mistakes sometimes like you pointed out here but I’m glad you’re enjoying it :)
13:38 lol.... Neil screwed you over too with his false advertisement, mate.
I’m pretty sure Joel dies because Dina doesn’t seem a major enough character to devote an entire game to getting revenge.
this is old but your right RIP
Bro your a prophet how did you know?
This man knew
Fun watching this now that part 2 has long been out. I love how Naughty Dog drops the most subtle hints that really encourage people to think and theorize. Some of the theories that people had seem so far off track now that we know, but at the time they were all perfectly viable.
Your content is what's keeping me alive
Well, I’m glad to be of some assistance in times like these. Appreciate the support Harshit!
If Dina's the one that dies then she needs to be an amazing character otherwise I'm not gonna feel the same motivation Ellie feels and that could leave me kind of empty
They could definitely do prequels with Tess and tommy?
And joel*
Yeah of course they could. I’d love to see a Joel and Tommy prequel set during the 20 years prior to the first game. Following them from the death of Sarah until they fall out.
i think he might be dead thats why ellie goes crazy and she might be seeing some flashbacks or imagining
twissle yeah he dead
I'd like to believe he survives all the way through the game, but a part of me believes he will die in the game at one point or another.
I’m in a similar situation. I really want to believe he’ll make it but I can’t be so certain anymore.
perhaps
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A better start would've been Will Smith saying - "Yaaaahhhh, It's rewind time"
Lol I already used that joke for a video once. It’s enough ;)
now this makes me think that you play as joel for the ending of the game. similar to how you switch to ellie in part one, you will end as joel in this one with a third and final installment (parts 1, 2, 3.)
It’d be awesome with a part iii and more Joel. Hopefully you’re right and the main story doesn’t end after p2
That will be the mystery woman/mom/sister
@@GForceIntel last of us part 3, 2029
GForceIntel what the...
Damn, your first theory, about Joel dying at the beginning of the game and Ellie going after the killers, was dead on.
if Joel survived 20 years of the apocalypse he surely can shr 5 more years but we'll see who dies in the last of us part 2 it'll all be relieved when the last of us part 2 comes out
If someone can withstand anything the apocalypse can throw at them it’s definitely Joel!
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He only survived 20 years because he was a bad guy. Killing everyone and trusting nobody.
This comment didn't age well at all 😂
Ah, Recommended's impeccable timing once again on display
Funny thing how the algorithm keeps recommending stuff I made even years ago but not any of my recent content. So agreed lmao
Ikr
I will say that I think the reason Joel looks cleaner and healthier is because he's been living in a civilized area for some time now. He has food, can bathe, and if he's living at the settlement, he probably doesn't need to carry supplies around, since he'd just be keeping them at his home or wherever else he stays. It's possible that he decided he wanted to give Ellie the revolver as a sort of token/gift, or just in case the stray clicker wanders too close for comfort.
That is a very good point! Haven’t heard that before but it certainly makes more sense than him being some mental ghost lol. Especially if it’s supposed to take place in the general proximity of Jackson.
You just earned a new subscriber brother good thing shit keep it up!
All this theories, aaaa man this is exactly how i theorize and think about TLOU ll too, cant really wait till this masterpiece gets released!
Ah appreciate that Nero! I’ll do my best :)
And I know right? I feel like I know less the more time passes even though we’re getting new information. So many theories..
Hey you actually took up that part with the Jacket that looked like Joel's :)
Gotta say, those are pretty valid points you're making here. Especially your interpretation of the official blog post and the wording of "people who hurt the ones you love". This actually doesn't hint at anybody's death. In fact, something like sexual assault could have even more impact on the players and would deliver more complex story line. However, I just can't shake off the feeling that there's still gonna be at least one major death case at some point in the game. Whether it's gonna be Joel or someone else we, of course, just cannot know at this point.
My bet's on Tommy if it's neither of the main protagonists. That would make the most sense as well. There's a good explanation to that theory in one of the videos I sent you yesterday.
Anyways, I'm ranting ☺️ Awesome video, as always, appreciate your work, buddy 👍
Also, that 1000 subs mark is getting closer and closer, you can smell it already 😀 🌟🥇 Alexa, play "Simply the best" 😎🎶
Oh there’ll be deaths for sure. People died left right and center in part I. Not expecting any less from part II.
Still haven’t seen all of em but I’ll do that today since I’m not busy working on a video.
And yeah damn it’s gonna happen today. I’m not ready hahah
Oh how hopeful we were
The first game tells you Joel is a brutal Survivor not just a survivor he does whatever it takes to survive. Ellie is a survivor but she is not as ruthless as Joel. Troy Baker the man that plays the voice of Joel even said that Joel is more villain then hero and that's what I think 2. Part 2 is just going to be a rollercoaster of not knowing what's going to happen
I know. If there’s anyone that could survive pretty much anything it’s Joel. His only weak spot is Ellie. So if he ends up dying I’m sure it’d be in the process of protecting her.
As for him being the villain I always considered him more of an anti hero. But it’s of course also possible to interpret him as the villain too, especially with how he acts at the end of the first game.
Been watching your videos the last few days, good shit bro!!! :)
Glad you’re enjoying them David!
For me, Ellie is going to die over and over...(Thank god for save points) 😂
I agree it is strange how they introduced Joel. The only reason I could see them doing it that way besides him being dead is they just wanted to make a stylistic trailer.
Oh yeah definitely. I think it was to set the tone for the general story of part II rather than him already being dead.
I really don't want this to be what actually happens butI feel like Joel will be the one that dies. I don't think Dina dying would give Ellie as much rage as it would if Joel died. This would obviously the biggest and saddest death in the game just like it was in TLOU1 when Sarah died. The game 20 years later after Sarah's death though sort of gives back to Joel by giving him Ellie who he treats just like his own daughter. I feel like it'll be the same for Ellie ( I know Joel is a way more developed character than Sarah so they can't just replace him with somebody else) but the character that would "replace" Joel would need to have a huge impact on Ellie and I can't think of it being anyone else except her mother, Anna. The trailers of the mystery woman (Anna) aren't of a different timeline, they're of the same timeline as everything else in the game, she's probably just in a different city and we'll get to know more about her and where she's been as the game goes on.
Honestly bro at this point I don't know what to expect The Last of Us Part 2 I'm really hoping that Joel does not die and I'm really hoping that Ellie doesn't die but anything can happen and naughty dog might actually pulled the trigger and have both characters die.. of course maybe not maybe Joel and Ellie will live again in part 2 but either way it's going to be just like Troy Baker said again that we are not ready to play when it comes out..😓😓
I second that. Despite all this new information it just seems to get harder and harder to predict. I hope they both make it as well but there’s no way I can be sure.
I have a strong theory that this cult might be tied to the fireflies in some way and it seems the fireflies had decent strength toward the western side of the country especially considering salt lake city is not too far from Seattle. So they might be heard what Joel did to the fireflies even though they were responsible for his actions by being antagonistic toward him.
My mistake I thought Utah was closer to Washington state I'm not American so
The seraphites have been confirmed to have been around since the outbreak. Still even if they were a part of or evolution of the fireflies I don’t see how it could’ve happened. The only similarities between them is the obsession with light/fire. But when it comes to actual ideology and motives they seem very different. The fireflies want to find a vaccine and restore democracy in America. But the seraphites seem almost anti technology and I doubt they have any interest in restoring America.
I believe Joel & Ellie will both survive.
Another great video ipadcat. Keep them coming.👍🏾
I sure hope so! And appreciate that Darren, I certainly will ;)
Im not sure how this Game's Storyline is going. But one thing wonders me. Wasnt there the "Child thing" at some point in the speculations. That someone is "with child" in this game.. Now that could be very much related to this Revenge theme..
But like you said, i think this game quite much needs these main characters. As in its core this second game is too about Relationship of these two, Joel and Ellie. So.. Its quite hard to understand how that would work otherwise. Its bummer tho that we have to wait a LOT still before this comes out 😒
Yeah Neil confirmed that someone is indeed pregnant in part II. And yeah I could see how that could be used for the violent disruption.
And yeah ikr. Hopefully history doesn’t repeat and this is the one and only delay.
Joel and ellie team up joel dies ellie plays guitar
The fact is the naughty dog is making the game so realistic and so grounded that will it just makes sense that joel will eventually die because as real as these characters feel to me nothing would hurt me more playing as ellie and going on this revenge quest to avenge Joel's death and have a meaningful impact on the players as the story goes on. I also feel mystery woman was added for a reason and believe is to replace joel perhaps she is even the one to kill joel and towards the end after you have been a team with her ellie realizes she is the one all along and now you have to make a decision and that's why the hate theme or perhaps this is Dina's fault all along knowing that ellie is a bomb to go off and wants her separated from the town in order to capture her and create the so call vaccine after ellie reveals to dina that she is immune to the virus?.
Yeah I agree Joel dying would probably hurt me more than anything in any form of entertainment has done to this point. Though I doubt ND are planning to replace him. They’ve said at multiple times that tlou is about Ellie *and* Joel not one or the other. But yeah they could always go back on that of course but I wouldn’t be happy with it.
@@TheiPadCat he also said in an interview that uncharted thieves end they would never kill nathan drake because it's more light hearted. Meaning anyone in the last of us 2 is in danger. And if you think about no studio kills off their main characters but this time I believe they will to be impactful and a lot of feeling because they know we feel attached to these characters.
Turns out you were on to something
@@talesthesalesman3106 Yeah I was pretty close.
I think this mysterious woman is going to be revealed as a new character and then blind side us when we find out its Ellies mom and shes still alive
My new theory is that fire flies raped Ellie to get her pregnant with an immune child since they were hell bent on the success of the human race and they killed Dina because she was of no use to them because she was only used as bait and they partnered up with a few factions to get their numbers and gear back up and Ellie wants to kill everyone involved and those who stand in her way and sadly the WLF and Seraphites are apart of those who stand in her way and I truly hate to say it but I believe the main reason Ellie wants revenge is because the fire flies came back into her life ruining it because one main possibility is that she was raped
Well the fireflies have been confirmed to be in the game one way or another. So it’s not impossible. Though if they ever got to Ellie a second time I’d say they’d try to do the same thing they did in part I before trying to get her to have a child. But who knows
I don't actually think the mystery women is Ellie mom or sister because they said someone gonna get pregnant in the last of us part 2 and since the last of us part 2 is gonna have two timelines like the left behind dlc maybe the mystery women is Ellie daughter from the future
Yeah seen that theory pop up a bit lately. Idk how I feel about it but it does solve some of the problems I had with the Anna theory such as the environment being way too deteriorated for it to be set in the past.
I have a feeling Ellie will die in this game. It seems like she's taking on more than she can handle, even with Joel's help. As for an ending with Joel and Ellie being the only survivors, I kind of like that idea. Maybe there's an all-out war with the Seraphites or WLF, and they storm Jackson, killing almost everyone there. Maybe this is the "cost" of Ellie's revenge.
“Devastating physical and emotional repercussions” was how they put it on their website I think. Whatever it is that ends up happening as a result of the cycle of violence I could definitely see all of those options happening.
Since people still want and think
Joel might die
If u want to shock people
Kill Ellie - that will destroy peoples lives
I prefer it..and thats most likely
Them killing joel will have an impact on Ellie but not the world they live in so it doesn't do much in the long run killing ellie on the other hand it impacts joel it gives a revenge story and rids the world of a cure for good and joel will have to come to terms with the fact he delayed the envedeble and saved Ellie from a heroic peaceful death and doomed her to a brutal meaningless one
@@reeceburns8077 Nah I doubt they will go that route. This isn't a heroic tale. Naughty dog knows that killing the younger and most capable character with the immunity would be a mistake for other entries in the series. I think killing joel and Sam would be really messed up because has lost so much and now it keeps happening and she can only blame herself for everything that has happened. Then again killing ellie would probably mean the end of the last of us at least for these 2 characters as joel would be too old to do anything beyond this is he even survives in a last attempt to save ellie again and they end up dying together after hating each other throughout the entire game just to realize they could live without one another like father and daughter.
@@GForceIntel But what I wrote did not described a heroic tale infact it described a lot of tragedy and failure just as joel tried saving his own daughter she died now he could fail with Ellie and that would be a much bigger slap to the characters face because instead of letting ellie die peacefully and let her save mankind she could be brutally murdered so Joel's efforts to save her in first game could end up really pointless making it even more depressing and joel having to realise how he failed her lied to her and saved her from a peaceful death just to end up being brutally murdered so joel would have failed again at saving his daughter but actually more depressing his poor decision making would have lead to it and mankind will be officially shit out of luck for a cure
@@reeceburns8077 yeah it sounds good but I dont think naughty dog would repeat the joel lost his daughter again. Anyways i know for a fact whatever they decide to do will be groundbreaking and amazing. Can't wait to play this masterpiece.
@@GForceIntel just saying I think it would be better then joel getting killed because all it is a revenge story then because sadly for joel he's not an important part of the world they live in and besides his name being mentioned in later games his story is completely over making him being the main playable character in the first one pointless where if they kill Ellie it's important to joel because she's like a daughter and it's important to the rest of the world because she's their cure
SPOILERS
HOLY SHIT THEY WERE RIGHT
iPadCat says: he can’t die there
ND: oh yeah watch this
Well about that...
will there be a part 3?
Most definitely
When I grow up I wanna be a stragler
5:45 - "for now we're keeping mum"
Anna confirmed
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lol
How could we have been so blind?!?! Lol
I didn’t mind Joel dying it was just the manner in which they found him and basically the rest of the game lol
Great video. I'm really excited for Last of Us 2. It would be dope if Joel dies (if he HAS to...but let's face it, he prolly will. He's pretty old) But it would be dope if he dies in some badass way, but he returns, like you said ,younger, in Ellie's mind. Idk, maybe Ellie 's immunity is wearing off and she's slowly turning and going crazy. And, it would be super sweet if she gets rage mode that turns her into Joel. And You play as Joel and you're able to be brutal and beat the shit out of people. But when you run out of rage meter, you return to Ellie. Like, on some Fight Club type stuff.
It's true i rather Joel turns out to be the villain instead of getting killed. Because the 2 core characters are what made this franchise successful and popular. Nothing more intriguing than seeing these 2 resulted in a twist from kinship to mortal enemies. That's where you see the split of 2 groups of ppl, who would be Team Ellie, and who would be Team Joel. That'd be exciting! ;)
Well Joel n Ellie’s relationship is the core of the story. At the end of part I they were as close as can be. So the only way to go with it in part II, at least initially is downhill. And yeah a “team Joel vs team Ellie” situation would probably even one up the ending of the first game and how divisive that was.
I wanted so hard that the character who we now know as Abby, was in fact Ellie's mother and that we would have the chance to go back in time, and witnessing the life of such a mysterious character.... :(
Has it occurred to you that he might die as a result of Ellie’s actions? Of course, I would be more than happy if they both survived.
Of course. "Devastating physical and emotional repercussions" is how ND put it on their website. But if there's anyone who can survive anything the apocalypse throws at him it's Joel. Still, we don't know, and I'm not sure what to think. All we can do is wait for launch
Weill there be prequel or anything after part 2?
Hey buddy I have something that I been thinking about and I want to share it with you I think I know who died in that room it’s Maria Tommy’s wife let me explain why ...in the demo Ellie she goes after tommy to save him and it shows that she did succeed in saving him but not his wife I think people attack Jackson and destroy it and take some hostages 2 of them are tommy and Maria what do you think ?
Well if it indeed was Maria that could explain why Tommy also would want to go to Seattle for revenge. Only thing that makes me unsure is that when he tries to stop Ellie from going he doesn’t seem distressed at all, which you’d imagine he’d be if he’d lost his partner.
I don't think Joel is dead.
Him being dead would make the game a bit similar to Batman: Arkham Knight. Naughty Dog is far more complex then this.
I think that the end of part 1 was the point where Ellie and Joel's relationship fractures. That's from where the story will continue.
Maybe we will see their relationship being rebuilt but I think realistically in a normal life that won't happen.
Yup. They got pretty much as close as can be so the only way the relationship can really go, at least to begin with is downhill.
I dont think joel is going to die as it wouldnt make sense. They never intended to make tlou2 and definately wouldnt have if either joel or ellie died. They prolly decided not to make tlou3 but if they kill ellie or joel the option becomes no longer available as they are the franchise. No company that has any clue about business would kill a franchise with no possibility of return on a profitable franchise its business suicide. They may decide atm no tlou3 but will give themselves the viability should they change their mind.
Yeah that was why I was so certain neither Joel nor Ellie would die before. Though I’m not too sure about a possible part iii anymore which is why I’m uncertain about Joel’s fate.
@@TheiPadCat ya i understand that but tlou is a massive money maker even if naughty dog didnt want to make a 3rd its doubtful they would leave the option null and void, they could always let someone else take over like they did with unchartered.
They could always make prequels/spinoffs too. I’m sure Sony would have a thing to say about letting one of their flagship franchises just end like that. There might just not be a part iii as in a continuation of the main tlou story
I think ellie is going to slowly start to turn and I don't think I'll be able to Handel it probably pop the disk put last of us 1 in and cry as I scream ellie's name what would make it even more sad is if joel holds her and says no not another one please and it cuts to black and you here ellie make a clicking noise and joel screaming
Yeah that theory has also been a very popular one for a long time. And what an unexpected twist it’d be if Joel ends up being the only survivor. Though I’m not sure if i buy into the whole “losing immunity” thing but regardless, cool theory!
@@TheiPadCat bro you have 1k finally you really deserve it I was watching your video yesterday and I was like man you are underrated
I still think this story is gonna center around ellies mom and joels secret is gonna come back to bite him in the ass
Before the trailer where they falsely advertised the game, everyone expected him to die but no one expected it to be that disrespectful and dumb. I guess they just wanted it to be shocking. I thought that you would play as Ellie and with Joel as your side character and then at the end of them game you find out that Joel was dead the whole time and a figment of Ellie's imagination.
I really went into TLOU2 wanting to like it and I managed to avoid spoilers. But I had to force myself to finish the game. It just shows that if the Story is not compelling to you, the rest of the game won't be able to carry it. And the game drags out for way too long. I love the gameplay but 25 to 30 hours of the same thing makes it feel way longer than it actually is.
How is the theories holding up now?
My question here is who is the people Ellie is hunting are they a cult? Paramilitary group? The fireflies? Cannibals? New government group?
Well she’s been fighting both of the new factions, the WLF and the seraphites. Though if that’s because they were in her way or actually wronged her remains to be seen.
Tommy Dies and the mystery woman is ellies daughter and Joel has 50 / 50 chance of dying.. But if he does itl be bc of old age p.s. Noone dies of just old age but you know what I mean.
Well I guess we’ll just have to wait and see :) and yeah I know what you mean
I've been looking for that very first Tlou 1 trailer with the riots footage for a long time, anyone know where it is?
What if Ellie dies and you spend the rest of the game in hell? HM.
Well if that ended up happening it would probably be the most unexpected twist in ND history. Not necessarily the Ellie dying part but the hell one haha. I mean personally I doubt it but I’m not dismissing it. Anything can happen and hey maybe it could be cool!
They'll never do that
Troy Baker said something about himself dying in the last of us in the last uncharted 2 retro replay video, I left a timestamp somewhere in the comment section.
P.S: The channel gave me a heart and a like but they took it off seconds later and only left the like somehow.
I’ve been meaning to get into retro replay for a long time now. I’ll make sure to check that out.
It's Joel putting the gun in the bag, you can tell if you look at the Twitter of naughty dog and see the official art with Joel having the same tattoo....i still think he's gonna die tho .-.
I’ve seen people theorising that it’s Joel because of the hands looking kinda old. But there’s no shot you can actually see if it is Joel or Ellie to my knowledge. And personally I doubt that they got matching tattoos but who knows, we haven’t seen Joel’s bare arms yet.
@@TheiPadCat Ellie got her tattoo from her ex girlfriend Kat. I kind of doubt Joel got the same one XD
Yeah me too.
Well than, this theory was hmmm, just press F
Where is that Ellie scene from at 11:18?
hob nob the last of us demo trailer I believe
Yep. VGA 2011 trailer.
I cant see Naughty Dog killing off such a popular character and the protagonist from the original....it would end any talks about a part 3....im still hoping we play half the game as Joel
Pretty good.
well we all look pretty stupid now
Simple the only way to kill a franchise, is kill off either one of these 2, or both. But killing them off just for shock factor, Naughty Dog needs to rethink whether the corporate decision is a wise one. After all millions of dollars revenue as come from these franchise, killing either Ellie or Joel would be the stupidest corporate decision ever made, where they had a good thing going, yet letting it slip from their hands. Perhaps the shock factor would come where we get to witness Ellie's mother for the first time, who knows. ;)
I mean they could always do spinoffs. A prequel for Joel for example or a new story with new characters set in the same universe. Though yeah I do agree. It would be very stupid from a business standpoint to end it.
@@TheiPadCat LOL true, but we all know spin-offs are usually the lame cheesy alternate knock-offs which never works like hello - FFX-2 (YuRiPa) anyone? Lol
Let's hope the extension of release date will help refine the storyline and tweaking of character plot lines, which I suspect reasons for so is the last minute changes because knowing the initial story ending for Part 2 will not sit well with general audience. Hence the extension of release date imo. Lol
This aged beautifully haha
I don't think Joel will die.
me too, i havent played tlou2 but i am still looking forward to kicking ass with joel in tlou3
@@kayo3168 are you planning to play tlou 2?
@@Norman-kf9ke i was joking of course i played it and i hated every minute of it
@@kayo3168 Yikes.
Plzzzz IPadCat, explain how the streets and infrastructure broke and turned to shit after the apocalypse! Was there a war between states?
he is NOT dead!
Sure hope so!
TLOU3: Ellie and Abby "link up"... Dina claims Ellie as JJs Dad. But Ellie is more concerned with earning the parental role of Lev. So they all go back to the farm and form the actual meaning of a blended family ✂️ ✂️ ✂️
Knowing Druckman, and all the "woke companies" tryin to get a good ESG rating, it'll prolly happen🤦🏾♂️
Neil Druckman did say TLOU doesnt exist without both Ellie and Joel. I dont see Joel dying being one of the two main characters of the series. Why kill em off when ya could make a part 3 and make more millions?
Yeah I know. That was my main argument before. Though I’m not so sure there will necessarily be a part III anymore. Doesn’t mean there can’t be more tlou games though, maybe a prequel or spinoff with one of the characters. Though I’d still very much prefer both of them to survive
oh come on! it's obvious, Ellie kills Joel!
This comment section didn't age well at all 😂
Well Joel did die.
Hindsight
@@TheiPadCat sad none the less
Well shit
This may be true in The Last of Us Part 2 but Joel doesn't live in Jackson he actually lives in an abandoned Library and occasionally visits Ellie every once in awhile
wtf
Well Joel is dead but we haven’t seen it so maybe he survived, maybe TLOU 3 will be Joel’s revenge, for Ellie.
Not true
why is yt recommending this now 😂
Oh not this theory
Oh yeah this theory
Everybody dies! We will see who Ellie kills and why May 29th
Joel will be ded
Well I guess we’ll just have to wait and see ;)
@@TheiPadCat Ellie gon kill him or he die from old age/is killed
Oof.
I love u Channel and your theories but pls stop with this "Jesus x Niel" Jokes, it's realy little bit like blasphemy :/
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