Isn't this just a convoluted method of the rule of thirds? total height 155 cm/1.618 golden ratio= 95.797 cm leg length. 95.797 cm leg length/155 cm total height = leg ratio is 0.618 ~ leg ratio is 2/3 of the fit
I would say that many of the left examples are totally fine, despite this golden ratio. The right ones feel too short for me. It also depends on your body type. If you have a wide body like me, a short jacket doesn't look that good. Been there, done that.
As mentioned after explaining about the golden ratio, there are times when it’s better not to follow it. This is to help teach about proportions. You have to do and wear what you like on you at the end of the day
I also disagree with you that wide body types can’t wear shorter jackets. You just need to find the right proportions in the bottom part of the outfit to balance it out.
@@HarryHas I don't mean that it doesn't work for anyone with a wide body. But for me it usually doesn't work. The suggestions on the right side of the video would look very weird on me. I don't think longer jackets (several ones you've showed on the left side) look bad at all. But that's just my personal opinion.
The rule of thirds is something I’ve kinda been obsessed with recently. It’s such an established thing in women’s fashion but way less common in men’s. I don’t have many cropped jackets, really I only have one. But I often create this aesthetic by tucking in the layer underneath. When you think about it, that way you actually have three interesting thirds if your jacket is a bit longer than the tuck.
Yeah the look is nice, but such a cropped jacket is objectively worse at a jackets main job: Keeping your Torso warm. It's functional to have a jacket longer than the golden ratio or a third, that's why the vast majority of jackets sold don't adhere to it.
This is what I was missing! This was my problem for my fitting, the awkwardness of long jackets make look too short and disproportionate. This golden ratio was it! Thank you so much for the informational video!
You can also make a visual cue if you wanna wear a jacket that's too long, by tucking in your inner garments into your pants right at the golden ratio point, and unzipping your jacket. It'll create a more flowy look, but still abide by the golden ratio rule, so you won't look disproportionate.
Such a great video! Absolutely love the level of proper detail with the golden ratio, as opposed to some creators who just say "ooo proportions" and then dont explain any further. You can also use this rule to figure out how long an overcoat should ideally be, you just flip a and b around. And ofc, you don't always have to hit the golden ratio exactly - thats going to be the most pleasing fit and the best place to start, but you can still go a little shorter or longer to create different effects!
This golden ratio measurement guide is a one-time thing we need to do for a lifetime fashion guide. Absolutely cool. Thank you, Harry. All the best, mate!
This channel has slowly become my favorite fashion channel on RUclips -- you've gotten so natural at delivering in these videos. Really really impressive and they're always helpful. Keep it up
Now this is something I can understand. Very cool that my style can be broken down and improved using the golden ratio. I will be going through my closet this week.
Absolutely love the detail you go into with this brother - I'll be using this method for sure!!! P.S, I agree, ML aint much of a looker haha 👀! Great work man!
I think the way you speak is almost like a golden ratio as well as you elongate the ending of every sentence like pants do. The first sentence you're like, urprobherefor1of3 reeeeeeeeeeasons
6:36 I honestly think the left one looks better in this case, In most cases it is indeed right, for example the next 6:40 the puffer jackets just hit so much better with the "golden ratio". But honestly in some cases I can imagine a longer jacket: 5:54 looks nice to me
Yeah the look can be nice, but such a cropped jacket is objectively worse at a jackets main job: Keeping your Torso warm. It's functional to have a jacket longer than the golden ratio or a third, that's why the vast majority of jackets sold don't adhere to it.
@@m.m4982 the trucker jacket has been revisited by different designers who have different takes on what the length should look like. Just because something isn't traditional doesn't mean it's wrong
Nice explanation. This doesn't apply to suit and sport jackets, they are way longer, but the bottom button and pockets usually sits around that golden ratio line on the well tailored jackets with a classic cut.
Well, in truth you should really consider that the whole point of tailored jackets (in this specific aspect) is creating a line at the height of your *natural waist* . Not by directly ending the jacket there, but through the buttoning point (i.e. top/middle button, not the bottom button!) and (if single breasted like most are these days) opening quarters after it. This allows you to show an elongated leg line in the front (if wearing high rise trousers) while in the back hiding the point where your leg actually ends so they appear to be longer. This is also why the popular trend for super short "tailored" jackets that end mid-backside is so stupid: at that point you are better of going for a cropped jacket like he shows in the video, since that particular effect is ruined and you need another way to lengthen your leg line. The same goes for low rise trousers in suits, except that in that case the effect is ruined in the front instead, by interrupting the leg line way too early. Ofc this holds for traditional sartorial jackets, not necessarily for the various deconstructions or reimaginations by fashion designers which often have totally different goals in mind, possible even against this original idea of lengthening the leg line, and often just do extreme stuff for shock value tbh. By the way, the natural waist is probably higher on your body than the golden ratio though (or maybe it's actually about the golden ratio if you consider your full height including the head?).
@@erwanherve5494 I did. Did you read mine? Because the whole point was that jackets mean to create another line at the buttoning point (not the bottom button).
Interesting video. I get that the video is to teach about proportions but it focuses a bit much on the length of the jacket... limiting our choices severely. Perhaps the next iteration of the video can show viewers how to make longer jackets look good? Like picking longer jackets that have strategically placed pockets or belts at the golden ratio line that help make the outfit look flattering
@@HarryHas Yes, but you gave one example, which was tucking in the shirt. Which, while effective, isn't always a good option. Other than tucking in the shirt, what other tricks do we have at our disposal. While shopping for a longer jacket, what details should one look for that help accentuate the golden ratio (for example Asket has a long coat, with pockets placed around the hip/waist that simulate the golden ratio. It would be cool to see you feature other longer coats offer something similar) All in all, this is a great video as always. I feel like I'm coming across as a combative entitled twat and that isn't my intention. I'm just offering up an idea for what I'd like to see in a future video. Cheers.
I think with long jackets you either gotta go short or long. Doing the weird in between just doesn’t work imo. It’s like what he said is it a trenchcoat or a jacket.
I really liked how you explained this. Ive seen this before but never really understood as well as i do now. Defo gonna be applying this with all my fits and jus play around w the golden ratio. Thank you Harry and hope you have a good rest of your week.
Wow, I am astonished at how you explained this topic about the ratio and fit of jackets. It is so true!!!! I randomly clicked this vid, but this is actually quality, educational, and very helpful content. I am so thankful that you shared this!!! (P.S. you just shared the secret of jackets :(
Im 6ft 3 with a slim frame & longer than average legs, therefore most jackets look ok unless too short where they make my legs look like stilts. However trenchcoats, winter coats & suit coats are all designed to be long & still look good.
I get the point and you are right it is ecstatically pleasing but during winter I want my butt to stay covered if I can 😂 Golden ratio is great for 3 seasons that s not bad at all
I rarely wear jackets in Florida, but I'd like a nice leather jacket. I wouldn't spend a fortune either and I'd definitely consider second hand because I like the more worn in look and it's more sustainable.
The golden ratio is usually between the belt line and mid - fly. Simply wear jackets that are better proportioned, for someone skinny and short like me, oversized clothing will particularly look bad on me. Always my jackets are cut shorter for that reason, whether they are leather or denim pieces
Effective body length / 2.618 = the desirable length of the jacket (which is around 58-64 cm for guys of normal height). It's almost impossible to find a men's jacket this short, since most companies cut most of their outerwear garments rather generously, starting at 70 cm or so for medium sizes.
I think climate is an important aspect, a much more colder climate realistically will have people who kind of will wear anything and bulk up to stay warm. Speaking with personal experience. I think the fact that not a lot of mens cropped jackets are warm for winter either doesnt help me either lol, so I tend to only wear them when its around spring time
thanks for the tip and the disclaimer at the end, if it looks good it looks good, doesnt matter if it applies to some rule unless youre some fashion model or something
The only problem I see more often is some jackets are made longer in length even tho it’s the right size for example me. I’m a short guy 5’5 and it’s hard me to find jackets to fit me to the right length or sometimes when I do finally find one it’s baggy because when brands want to bring back the “classic look” it’s the right fit with one small issue. So this doesn’t really apply to everyone that is short 😂.
I am short so all my jackets look like on the left pictures and for a long time I couldnt discover why it look wrong. I saw one of your older videos that you talk about proportion and I finally learned about it. I agree with most photos but I think the denim jacket at 6:32 look a bit too short on the right guy. Puffer jacket also look better when longer because they already oversized.
I like a longer puffer sometimes too. What I should have said for that one was that the sweater underneath would have been better a little shorter. Thanks for watching
When it comes to buying a jacket, i try them on in the store . What you are saying is good. Sometimes I might buy a jacket on the larger side especially when I'm going to be wearing winter knits underneath.
Nice Harry, you've done really well to condense all this info and explain it in a single video. Top job as always! Also I'm totally insulted by the video title, how dare you!!!
Hahaha thanks a lot man. As you know, it’s definitely difficult to try and cover as much information as possible to help as many people without making things too confusing.
I heard somewhere.. 'a good trick to always looking chic is to wear a high waist and a high neck'... which come to think of it is essentially lifting up the top 1/3.
Was recommended your beanie video. I also came to the same conclusions several years ago. Its funny because no one would ever expect something as simple as a beanie would matter, but it does. And with that something ive concluded in general is “every detail matters”. But anyways, interesting channel with a kind of funny strange quirky British personality. ✌🏻
This make a lot of sense to me, I'm 150 cm tall, and almost all of my jackets are cropped, but doesn't feel cropped enough nor long enough to fit my height.
Your application of the golden ratio to fashion is an interesting approach. I would love to know what length of jackets are going to look best before I buy them, much like the way I know what pant length I should go for. My only concern is that the calculation is focused on the ratio itself, and only takes the wearer's height into account (minus the head of course). What about the rest of the body - their torso, waist, hips, legs, etc? For someone like myself who just naturally has longer legs, I often find that a longer top helps my proportions by covering up some of that length. I find it hard to believe that everyone will look good in these 'golden ratio outfits' since no two bodies are quite the same. I think the thought behind this is great, though the process maybe needs some tweaking before I would consider using it.
If you have unusually long legs then the golden ratio would actually dictate you use longer tops. Its not telling you that your outfits have to end at your hips. Cmon its simple math don't over complicate it 😅
@@m.m4982 I'm not saying that there's a problem with the math, but there is with the execution. You can't just apply a universal equation without checking whether there needs to be modifications - people are just built different. If anything you run the risk of under complicating it. For example, you say that for someone with longer legs the ratio "would actually dictate you use longer tops" - well yes, but only if I'm also taller in general (remember, the use of the ratio here only considers my feet to my shoulders, no consideration for how long my legs are)!
@michaelbarrett7912 you say you wear longer shirts because of your unusual long legs. The golden ratio would dictate the same exact thing. And no, not only if your taller.
@@m.m4982 I think there's a misunderstanding here. As a person with longer legs, the golden ratio would say to wear slightly longer tops, based on my height. If I had a longer torso but was still the same height, the ratio would not change (unless we factor in my body proportions).
I sont think its about golden ration, i think thr outfits on the left help define your waistline, and thats it really. A defined waistline looks better, so get crops just under your waist line or the middle of your midseam.
Hello, Harry. I appreciate the video. I agree with the golden ratio or similar proportion principles; typically, it works if one's bottom section of the body is longer (or equal) to the upper part of the body. What about those with a larger upper body? How do they keep this 1/3 rule?
That’s why you measure from your feet to your shoulder. Your golden ratio point will give off the illusion that your legs are longer and your torso is shorter.
But what are the jackets called on the right because the ones in right, the jacket ends in waist line but on the left the jacket and the sleeve match together.
for almost all examples of 50/50 spliting i find them more pleasing than the ones that use the rule of thirds,ig it all comes down to personal preference
Hey Harry! Good day to you. Quick questions: 1. Do you also apply this to your tops (shirts, t-shirts, etc.)? 2. Should I measure with shoes on or off? Cause different shoes give different extra heights. Thank you!
Yeah the look is nice, but such a cropped jacket is objectively worse at a jackets main job: Keeping your Torso warm. It's functional to have a jacket longer than the golden ratio, that's why the vast majority of jackets sold don't adhere to it. I think you should (/could) have mentioned that the reverse ratio works well for coats and longer jackets.
I agree with this vid completely. There are a few problems, however, which I'll state down below. Off-the-rack companies are trying to get the most buck for their efforts, so the sizes aren't variable in such a way to ponder an individual build but are unified in what can be interpreted as a uniformed form, which will fit most of the people out there. However, even though the causal jacket will fit, it will be far from aesthetically pleasing, but brands don't care about such trivialities. All they care about is getting' $. That means, for instance, that the "S" size is being made to fit both a 175 cm person (normal build) and the 185 cm person who's a little lankier, which means the jacket might be a little too short for a latter individual which shall be overly pronounced within sleeve region, which is not perfect even though it's fine...but will be undoubtedly too long for a shorter one. Even brands that are supposedly catering "shorter individuals" are doing so in such a rigid, conservative fashion to get the most bang for their buck, so you'll see garments with just an inch shorter back length. Let's state it this way: If I (a 1.8 m person) can order the smallest jacket from brands such as Peter Manning or "Under 5'10"...and it fits just fine...those definitely aren't catering to a shorter person. So the reason states that: It's literally impossible for an off-the-rack jacket to fit you like this if: (1) you're under 6' (2) you're above six feet, but you aren't unreasonably skinny to size down. The standard length of a contemporary XS--S jacket is 25', which is ideal for a 6' person, and if you're shorter than that or you're too holding little much muscle/fat ...well...tough luck. The tailor doesn't benefit you either, because shortening the jacket (especially with a zipper can be a pain in the ass). I developed a few strategies within the last few years, and now my jackets fit just fine (a little too perfect I might add). If you're a shorter guy like me (5'10¾), here's what you need to do: (1) You need to find a brand that offers a custom-made option. (2) You need to find brands that are offering more "cropped" aka more traditional fits. The rule of thumb is (my personal strategy): I buy jackets made of cotton, synthetic, and sometimes wool out of a made-to-measure brand, while I buy my leather pieces out from well-established retailers (one exception tough), as buying leather can be tricky. If you're out for a letter jacket, cropped fits sometimes can be found at retailers I'll mention down below: (1) A. Paris (but only certain pieces & the length isn't always transparent under the details section) (2) Straight to Hell (the short option will be cropped but IT might be a little too tight). You can get a custom leather jacket of decent quality at: (1) Wested (2) Chlootho, CA. I buy my casual & & synthetic jackets (denim, satin, polyester, wool) at the site named "The Jacker Creator". I just choose a jacket in the desired size, and then I give them my measurements (including desirable shoulder width and back length). I always exaggerate the waist size a bit to leave a little room. Then they made the jacket, which fits just perfectly and is only a little wider within the waist region, which I then again take to my personal tailor to make a desired drape. That way it fits perfectly, and I think it's better (its more acceptable for a waist being wider than for it too be way to tight and nothing can be done about it), as it's hard to make the drape for a body you've never seen in actual reality. Not just that the length is perfect (22 2/3' to 23'), but the overall fit in the chest, shoulders, and waist is also perfect. The sleeve area is accommodated to fit my slightly longer arm span, so it's a really a jacket made for me which I appreciate greatly . If you're an athletic build, finding a jacket also can be a pain in the ass because now you have multiple variables to worry about, even if you're able to stumble upon a proper 📏. "XS" first in the waist? Cannot zip it up. "S" fits within the waist and shoulders a.? Too tight in the chest and too long. "M" fits in the chest....? Shoulders are baggy, it's too roomy, sleeves are too long and you're floating in it. "XxXS" jacket to accommodate the length? He'll no! And on that add to the portions of having a long leg (31In) and a shorter torso (torso of a 5'8" person), and you have a recipe for a disaster because it doesn't matter whether your proportions are pleasing or not of you aren't able to stumble upon clothes that actually fit (read: casual jackets). This way I have no problem, and I'm getting stares all of the time. I think the people aren't able to pinpoint why it appears so pleasing, but they cannot draw their eyes from it. I agree with you that you can sport a longer jacket if it's structured within the waist area...or it's made in a way to accentuate your waist. For instance, structured overcoats and suit jackets can serve as good examples. You can also wear a causal jacket that's a tad bit too long...as long as: (1) You're wearing it unbuttoned/unzipped. (2) Upper base layer is cropped or is been tucked in your slacks. I think you talk about it...but the matter was discussed in previous videos. It also depends on overall pant rise (especially with belt loops), but it's generally funny how the length of a jacket is seen as arbitrary, while in reality, it matters...A LOT And and also quite a bit ironic how one of the most relevant criteria is totally overlooked. WDYT?
I don't think I'd agree with the point of jackets on this video. Of course, it is important to think about proportions and the golden ratio makes outfits look great. But the jacket doesn't have to be the piece that separates one third from the other two thirds. Tucking your shirt does the same trick. Meaning, I think you can perfectly wear a long jacket as long as you tuck your shirt so you've got a breaking point for your thirds to achieve the golden ratio.
Yes, the jacket doesn’t have to be the thing but as this video is about jackets, I thought I would talk about it. I have done videos on it with other items in the wardrobe too 👍 Get and agree with what you are saying though
I see what you’re saying but I like my jackets to be oversized and most jackets that stop at the waist aren’t roomy enough. I hate tight fitted outerwear in general tbh.
There is no right or wrong in fashion. This is just the way I like to do things. Thanks for watching. 🤟
Isn't this just a convoluted method of the rule of thirds? total height 155 cm/1.618 golden ratio= 95.797 cm leg length. 95.797 cm leg length/155 cm total height = leg ratio is 0.618 ~ leg ratio is 2/3 of the fit
Not on topic but that bomber is A1
@@alexjanko2741 He's just explaining the technical reasoning behind it, but yes essentially it is just the rule of thirds
Bro just get straight into the video then at the end remind people to like, share and subscribe
@@a4y3n just click it forward mate
I would say that many of the left examples are totally fine, despite this golden ratio. The right ones feel too short for me. It also depends on your body type. If you have a wide body like me, a short jacket doesn't look that good. Been there, done that.
As mentioned after explaining about the golden ratio, there are times when it’s better not to follow it. This is to help teach about proportions. You have to do and wear what you like on you at the end of the day
I also disagree with you that wide body types can’t wear shorter jackets. You just need to find the right proportions in the bottom part of the outfit to balance it out.
@@HarryHas I don't mean that it doesn't work for anyone with a wide body. But for me it usually doesn't work. The suggestions on the right side of the video would look very weird on me. I don't think longer jackets (several ones you've showed on the left side) look bad at all. But that's just my personal opinion.
@@markuserikssen gotcha. That’s fair enough mate. Gotta do what works best for you 👍
@@HarryHas Your videos are great btw! It doesn't always work for me, but that's normal.
The rule of thirds is something I’ve kinda been obsessed with recently. It’s such an established thing in women’s fashion but way less common in men’s. I don’t have many cropped jackets, really I only have one. But I often create this aesthetic by tucking in the layer underneath. When you think about it, that way you actually have three interesting thirds if your jacket is a bit longer than the tuck.
Yeah the look is nice, but such a cropped jacket is objectively worse at a jackets main job:
Keeping your Torso warm.
It's functional to have a jacket longer than the golden ratio or a third, that's why the vast majority of jackets sold don't adhere to it.
Hands-down (personally) best fashion/style youtuber.
No BS just entertaining, informative videos, what can you ask for more?
Really appreciate it dude. Thank you
This is what I was missing! This was my problem for my fitting, the awkwardness of long jackets make look too short and disproportionate. This golden ratio was it! Thank you so much for the informational video!
You can also make a visual cue if you wanna wear a jacket that's too long, by tucking in your inner garments into your pants right at the golden ratio point, and unzipping your jacket. It'll create a more flowy look, but still abide by the golden ratio rule, so you won't look disproportionate.
I'm 5'7 with a 42"-43" chest. This explains the pain I have in finding good jackets and clothes in general. Good stuff
Such a great video! Absolutely love the level of proper detail with the golden ratio, as opposed to some creators who just say "ooo proportions" and then dont explain any further.
You can also use this rule to figure out how long an overcoat should ideally be, you just flip a and b around.
And ofc, you don't always have to hit the golden ratio exactly - thats going to be the most pleasing fit and the best place to start, but you can still go a little shorter or longer to create different effects!
Yes exactly right. The ratio works flipped around too. I didn’t want to make things too confusing. Thanks a lot
This golden ratio measurement guide is a one-time thing we need to do for a lifetime fashion guide. Absolutely cool. Thank you, Harry. All the best, mate!
This channel has slowly become my favorite fashion channel on RUclips -- you've gotten so natural at delivering in these videos. Really really impressive and they're always helpful. Keep it up
Appreciate it dude. Thank you very much
Now this is something I can understand. Very cool that my style can be broken down and improved using the golden ratio. I will be going through my closet this week.
Sounds good man. Glad I could help
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Absolutely love the detail you go into with this brother - I'll be using this method for sure!!! P.S, I agree, ML aint much of a looker haha 👀! Great work man!
Hahaha thank you mate
One thing I struggle is that most clothing you find at more affordable price point are always too long for men below 180cm.
For t shirts I always find something nice in the sleeve and shoulders and then hem them
I think the way you speak is almost like a golden ratio as well as you elongate the ending of every sentence like pants do.
The first sentence you're like, urprobherefor1of3 reeeeeeeeeeasons
Thank you
6:36 I honestly think the left one looks better in this case,
In most cases it is indeed right, for example the next 6:40 the puffer jackets just hit so much better with the "golden ratio".
But honestly in some cases I can imagine a longer jacket: 5:54 looks nice to me
Yeah the look can be nice, but such a cropped jacket is objectively worse at a jackets main job:
Keeping your Torso warm.
It's functional to have a jacket longer than the golden ratio or a third, that's why the vast majority of jackets sold don't adhere to it.
Agree, right looks kinda gay
Trucker jackets are supposed to hit at the belt line. Long ones look like the wearer doesnt know what theyre doing.
@@m.m4982 the trucker jacket has been revisited by different designers who have different takes on what the length should look like. Just because something isn't traditional doesn't mean it's wrong
Nice explanation. This doesn't apply to suit and sport jackets, they are way longer, but the bottom button and pockets usually sits around that golden ratio line on the well tailored jackets with a classic cut.
Well, in truth you should really consider that the whole point of tailored jackets (in this specific aspect) is creating a line at the height of your *natural waist* . Not by directly ending the jacket there, but through the buttoning point (i.e. top/middle button, not the bottom button!) and (if single breasted like most are these days) opening quarters after it. This allows you to show an elongated leg line in the front (if wearing high rise trousers) while in the back hiding the point where your leg actually ends so they appear to be longer. This is also why the popular trend for super short "tailored" jackets that end mid-backside is so stupid: at that point you are better of going for a cropped jacket like he shows in the video, since that particular effect is ruined and you need another way to lengthen your leg line. The same goes for low rise trousers in suits, except that in that case the effect is ruined in the front instead, by interrupting the leg line way too early.
Ofc this holds for traditional sartorial jackets, not necessarily for the various deconstructions or reimaginations by fashion designers which often have totally different goals in mind, possible even against this original idea of lengthening the leg line, and often just do extreme stuff for shock value tbh.
By the way, the natural waist is probably higher on your body than the golden ratio though (or maybe it's actually about the golden ratio if you consider your full height including the head?).
@@36424567254 Did you read my comment before writing me an essay ?
@@erwanherve5494 I did. Did you read mine? Because the whole point was that jackets mean to create another line at the buttoning point (not the bottom button).
@@36424567254 whatever, I don't have time for that
How are your vibes always these happy & positive? You should be teaching that alongside of how to style thyself
Hahaha I’m not always happy but I like making vids
Hahah for real
Interesting video. I get that the video is to teach about proportions but it focuses a bit much on the length of the jacket... limiting our choices severely.
Perhaps the next iteration of the video can show viewers how to make longer jackets look good? Like picking longer jackets that have strategically placed pockets or belts at the golden ratio line that help make the outfit look flattering
Thanks. I did say about how to make longer jackets look good in this video 👍
@@HarryHas Yes, but you gave one example, which was tucking in the shirt. Which, while effective, isn't always a good option. Other than tucking in the shirt, what other tricks do we have at our disposal. While shopping for a longer jacket, what details should one look for that help accentuate the golden ratio (for example Asket has a long coat, with pockets placed around the hip/waist that simulate the golden ratio. It would be cool to see you feature other longer coats offer something similar)
All in all, this is a great video as always. I feel like I'm coming across as a combative entitled twat and that isn't my intention. I'm just offering up an idea for what I'd like to see in a future video. Cheers.
I think with long jackets you either gotta go short or long. Doing the weird in between just doesn’t work imo. It’s like what he said is it a trenchcoat or a jacket.
I really liked how you explained this. Ive seen this before but never really understood as well as i do now. Defo gonna be applying this with all my fits and jus play around w the golden ratio. Thank you Harry and hope you have a good rest of your week.
Great to hear bro. Thanks a lot. Have a good one yourself
Wow, I am astonished at how you explained this topic about the ratio and fit of jackets. It is so true!!!! I randomly clicked this vid, but this is actually quality, educational, and very helpful content. I am so thankful that you shared this!!! (P.S. you just shared the secret of jackets :(
Pleased to hear mate. Thanks for watching
This is 100% absolute valuable content. Proportion is everything!
The golden ratio really helped me… Glad i found this video before returning my jacket
How dare you say I look bad in my jacket! You HORRIBLE little man!
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Really appreciate that. Thank you
Golden Ratio my arse! The pre 60s look of high waisted trousers and jackets sitting at the natural waist is a much more elegant and flattering look.
The problem is many store bought jackets are too long for a short person like me and tailoring every outfit is expensive :(
just get them stitched from the bottom
Im 6ft 3 with a slim frame & longer than average legs, therefore most jackets look ok unless too short where they make my legs look like stilts. However trenchcoats, winter coats & suit coats are all designed to be long & still look good.
yeah this hard fast golden ratio number is overly simplistic. It completely ignores leg-to-torso ratio for one.
I can't handle the math involved in wearing clothes.
I'm joining a nudist colony
I get the point and you are right it is ecstatically pleasing but during winter I want my butt to stay covered if I can 😂
Golden ratio is great for 3 seasons that s not bad at all
There are always coats for the winter 👍
I rarely wear jackets in Florida, but I'd like a nice leather jacket. I wouldn't spend a fortune either and I'd definitely consider second hand because I like the more worn in look and it's more sustainable.
The golden ratio is usually between the belt line and mid - fly. Simply wear jackets that are better proportioned, for someone skinny and short like me, oversized clothing will particularly look bad on me. Always my jackets are cut shorter for that reason, whether they are leather or denim pieces
This video is everything !!!
Finding a good fitting clothes is highly important in my opinion and the golden ration helps accomplish such a task.
Effective body length / 2.618 = the desirable length of the jacket (which is around 58-64 cm for guys of normal height). It's almost impossible to find a men's jacket this short, since most companies cut most of their outerwear garments rather generously, starting at 70 cm or so for medium sizes.
I think climate is an important aspect, a much more colder climate realistically will have people who kind of will wear anything and bulk up to stay warm. Speaking with personal experience. I think the fact that not a lot of mens cropped jackets are warm for winter either doesnt help me either lol, so I tend to only wear them when its around spring time
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Every outfit on the right looks much better than the one on the left and i’m sure most people would agree. Great video Harry.
Thanks mate. Appreciate it
I love these type of videos, they help you understand good silouhette regardless of personal style.
Glad to hear mate
I'M Really impressed with how good was this explanation. Congratulations👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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The last point should only be applied to casual jackets, can't imagine how horrible it would be if suit jackets, blazers,..etc were done the same.
Yes, this is for casual jackets
thanks for the tip and the disclaimer at the end, if it looks good it looks good, doesnt matter if it applies to some rule unless youre some fashion model or something
Glad you liked it bro
You've influenced my style Harry, I'm getting better hopefully !
Glad to hear man 🙏
@@HarryHas can we see some sneakers or colour composition kind of videos soon ? And thanks for the reply man
IMO ratio works better with more fitted pants. Looser jacket looks better with relaxed pants.
The only problem I see more often is some jackets are made longer in length even tho it’s the right size for example me. I’m a short guy 5’5 and it’s hard me to find jackets to fit me to the right length or sometimes when I do finally find one it’s baggy because when brands want to bring back the “classic look” it’s the right fit with one small issue. So this doesn’t really apply to everyone that is short 😂.
Men rushing for tape measures 😂😂 love this mate!
Looks pretty awesome. Learned about it in school a bit, but that you could use it to pick jacket sizes better...
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I am short so all my jackets look like on the left pictures and for a long time I couldnt discover why it look wrong. I saw one of your older videos that you talk about proportion and I finally learned about it. I agree with most photos but I think the denim jacket at 6:32 look a bit too short on the right guy. Puffer jacket also look better when longer because they already oversized.
I like a longer puffer sometimes too. What I should have said for that one was that the sweater underneath would have been better a little shorter. Thanks for watching
Never used this method but I understand where my jacket should end.I must admit you are a genius. GOOD 👍
Appreciate it mate. There is no wrong or right way to do things but it’s always good to think about outfit proportions
When it comes to buying a jacket, i try them on in the store . What you are saying is good. Sometimes I might buy a jacket on the larger side especially when I'm going to be wearing winter knits underneath.
yeah bro but im gonna be cold with a short jacket!!!!!
As a short guy, it’s sooo hard to find jackets that suits my length, especially sleeves.
The difficult part is to actually find or tailor the jacket up to the proportion and gaining or losing weight is an whole another story.
the golden ratio works reversed also. You can have your coat 2/3 on the top, then 1/3 your bottom with your legs and shoes.
I am 5'8 almost every jacket is a bit long
Love yourself guys and dress how you like👍🏻
Nice Harry, you've done really well to condense all this info and explain it in a single video. Top job as always! Also I'm totally insulted by the video title, how dare you!!!
Hahaha thanks a lot man. As you know, it’s definitely difficult to try and cover as much information as possible to help as many people without making things too confusing.
Sport and suit jackets typically split the body 50/50% but still look pleasing to the eye. Why is that?
Reason 4: I like your videos and think they are helping me look different at my clothing style and see if I want to change something. 😁
The Acne's blue sweatshirt looks great on you!! 💙
Thanks a lot
I heard somewhere.. 'a good trick to always looking chic is to wear a high waist and a high neck'... which come to think of it is essentially lifting up the top 1/3.
Was recommended your beanie video. I also came to the same conclusions several years ago. Its funny because no one would ever expect something as simple as a beanie would matter, but it does. And with that something ive concluded in general is “every detail matters”. But anyways, interesting channel with a kind of funny strange quirky British personality. ✌🏻
This one was super helpful! I have short legs, so long jackets and top make me look shorter
This make a lot of sense to me, I'm 150 cm tall, and almost all of my jackets are cropped, but doesn't feel cropped enough nor long enough to fit my height.
Your contents are always spot on! Thank you!
Thanks a lot for watching
Your videos help me a lot. Gave me more confidence on how I dress
That’s awesome to hear mate!
@Harry Has thanks mate, happy new year!
Your application of the golden ratio to fashion is an interesting approach. I would love to know what length of jackets are going to look best before I buy them, much like the way I know what pant length I should go for.
My only concern is that the calculation is focused on the ratio itself, and only takes the wearer's height into account (minus the head of course). What about the rest of the body - their torso, waist, hips, legs, etc? For someone like myself who just naturally has longer legs, I often find that a longer top helps my proportions by covering up some of that length. I find it hard to believe that everyone will look good in these 'golden ratio outfits' since no two bodies are quite the same.
I think the thought behind this is great, though the process maybe needs some tweaking before I would consider using it.
If you have unusually long legs then the golden ratio would actually dictate you use longer tops. Its not telling you that your outfits have to end at your hips. Cmon its simple math don't over complicate it 😅
@@m.m4982 I'm not saying that there's a problem with the math, but there is with the execution. You can't just apply a universal equation without checking whether there needs to be modifications - people are just built different. If anything you run the risk of under complicating it. For example, you say that for someone with longer legs the ratio "would actually dictate you use longer tops" - well yes, but only if I'm also taller in general (remember, the use of the ratio here only considers my feet to my shoulders, no consideration for how long my legs are)!
@michaelbarrett7912 you say you wear longer shirts because of your unusual long legs. The golden ratio would dictate the same exact thing. And no, not only if your taller.
@@m.m4982 I think there's a misunderstanding here. As a person with longer legs, the golden ratio would say to wear slightly longer tops, based on my height. If I had a longer torso but was still the same height, the ratio would not change (unless we factor in my body proportions).
@michaelbarrett7912 if long torso,the ratio would say to limit the length of your shirts to do your best to lengthen how your legs look
I should have heard of that before I bought my last jacket.
I sont think its about golden ration, i think thr outfits on the left help define your waistline, and thats it really. A defined waistline looks better, so get crops just under your waist line or the middle of your midseam.
the ones on the left look better imo
Hello, Harry. I appreciate the video.
I agree with the golden ratio or similar proportion principles; typically, it works if one's bottom section of the body is longer (or equal) to the upper part of the body.
What about those with a larger upper body? How do they keep this 1/3 rule?
That’s why you measure from your feet to your shoulder. Your golden ratio point will give off the illusion that your legs are longer and your torso is shorter.
You did it Once again Harry;very helping video thank you for improving my style
Pleased to hear mate. Thanks for watching
Great point, Harry!
thank you mate i learned from this video
Reason 4 - i never wore a jacket and was interested in what you were gonna say :)
love the content!
Thank you mate
Best examples given
Awesome concept brother. Wonderful video
Thanks a lot
But what are the jackets called on the right because the ones in right, the jacket ends in waist line but on the left the jacket and the sleeve match together.
👍 for the Mona Lisa roast 😂
for almost all examples of 50/50 spliting i find them more pleasing than the ones that use the rule of thirds,ig it all comes down to personal preference
Definitely. Life would be very boring if we all liked the exact same things. I’m only sharing what I like and what I look out for.
@@HarryHas yeah,great video tho,much love and support
Hey Harry! Good day to you. Quick questions:
1. Do you also apply this to your tops (shirts, t-shirts, etc.)?
2. Should I measure with shoes on or off? Cause different shoes give different extra heights.
Thank you!
I loved this Harry! I had to subscribe
Appreciate the support, Sam 🙏
i prefer the left one at 6:42
I naturally follow the golden ratio without knowing about it. Can't stand long Tshirts etc
Can you make a video about ratio for outfits with shorts plsss
Yeah the look is nice, but such a cropped jacket is objectively worse at a jackets main job:
Keeping your Torso warm.
It's functional to have a jacket longer than the golden ratio, that's why the vast majority of jackets sold don't adhere to it.
I think you should (/could) have mentioned that the reverse ratio works well for coats and longer jackets.
I look great in jackets but I love you and I watch all your videos so there’s that.
Thank you very much mate
So wait how should you use this to order clothes? Do you order off the closest to your golden ratio?
What do people with short legs do? My waistline falls below the golden ratio point. Am I doomed? 😢
As a tall boy most of the time it’s better to pass the golden ratio a bit.
Great video! Thanks Harry.
Thanks for watching
I agree with this vid completely.
There are a few problems, however, which I'll state down below.
Off-the-rack companies are trying to get the most buck for their efforts, so the sizes aren't variable in such a way to ponder an individual build but are unified in what can be interpreted as a uniformed form, which will fit most of the people out there.
However, even though the causal jacket will fit, it will be far from aesthetically pleasing, but brands don't care about such trivialities. All they care about is getting' $. That means, for instance, that the "S" size is being made to fit both a 175 cm person (normal build) and the 185 cm person who's a little lankier, which means the jacket might be a little too short for a latter individual which shall be overly pronounced within sleeve region, which is not perfect even though it's fine...but will be undoubtedly too long for a shorter one. Even brands that are supposedly catering "shorter individuals" are doing so in such a rigid, conservative fashion to get the most bang for their buck, so you'll see garments with just an inch shorter back length.
Let's state it this way:
If I (a 1.8 m person) can order the smallest jacket from brands such as Peter Manning or "Under 5'10"...and it fits just fine...those definitely aren't catering to a shorter person. So the reason states that:
It's literally impossible for an off-the-rack jacket to fit you like this if:
(1) you're under 6'
(2) you're above six feet, but you aren't unreasonably skinny to size down.
The standard length of a contemporary XS--S jacket is 25', which is ideal for a 6' person, and if you're shorter than that or you're too holding little much muscle/fat ...well...tough luck. The tailor doesn't benefit you either, because shortening the jacket (especially with a zipper can be a pain in the ass).
I developed a few strategies within the last few years, and now my jackets fit just fine (a little too perfect I might add).
If you're a shorter guy like me (5'10¾), here's what you need to do:
(1) You need to find a brand that offers a custom-made option.
(2) You need to find brands that are offering more "cropped" aka more traditional fits.
The rule of thumb is (my personal strategy):
I buy jackets made of cotton, synthetic, and sometimes wool out of a made-to-measure brand, while I buy my leather pieces out from well-established retailers (one exception tough), as buying leather can be tricky.
If you're out for a letter jacket, cropped fits sometimes can be found at retailers I'll mention down below:
(1) A. Paris (but only certain pieces & the length isn't always transparent under the details section)
(2) Straight to Hell (the short option will be cropped but IT might be a little too tight).
You can get a custom leather jacket of decent quality at:
(1) Wested
(2) Chlootho, CA.
I buy my casual & & synthetic jackets (denim, satin, polyester, wool) at the site named "The Jacker Creator".
I just choose a jacket in the desired size, and then I give them my measurements (including desirable shoulder width and back length). I always exaggerate the waist size a bit to leave a little room.
Then they made the jacket, which fits just perfectly and is only a little wider within the waist region, which I then again take to my personal tailor to make a desired drape. That way it fits perfectly, and I think it's better (its more acceptable for a waist being wider than for it too be way to tight and nothing can be done about it), as it's hard to make the drape for a body you've never seen in actual reality.
Not just that the length is perfect (22 2/3' to 23'), but the overall fit in the chest, shoulders, and waist is also perfect. The sleeve area is accommodated to fit my slightly longer arm span, so it's a really a jacket made for me which I appreciate greatly .
If you're an athletic build, finding a jacket also can be a pain in the ass because now you have multiple variables to worry about, even if you're able to stumble upon a proper 📏.
"XS" first in the waist? Cannot zip it up.
"S" fits within the waist and shoulders a.? Too tight in the chest and too long.
"M" fits in the chest....? Shoulders are baggy, it's too roomy, sleeves are too long and you're floating in it.
"XxXS" jacket to accommodate the length? He'll no! And on that add to the portions of having a long leg (31In) and a shorter torso (torso of a 5'8" person), and you have a recipe for a disaster because it doesn't matter whether your proportions are pleasing or not of you aren't able to stumble upon clothes that actually fit (read: casual jackets).
This way I have no problem, and I'm getting stares all of the time.
I think the people aren't able to pinpoint why it appears so pleasing, but they cannot draw their eyes from it.
I agree with you that you can sport a longer jacket if it's structured within the waist area...or it's made in a way to accentuate your waist. For instance, structured overcoats and suit jackets can serve as good examples.
You can also wear a causal jacket that's a tad bit too long...as long as:
(1) You're wearing it unbuttoned/unzipped.
(2) Upper base layer is cropped or is been tucked in your slacks. I think you talk about it...but the matter was discussed in previous videos.
It also depends on overall pant rise (especially with belt loops), but it's generally funny how the length of a jacket is seen as arbitrary, while in reality, it matters...A LOT
And and also quite a bit ironic how one of the most relevant criteria is totally overlooked.
WDYT?
@officialHarry_Has
I'll make sure to do that. Tnx man !
this was extremely useful 👍🏻
I don't think I'd agree with the point of jackets on this video. Of course, it is important to think about proportions and the golden ratio makes outfits look great. But the jacket doesn't have to be the piece that separates one third from the other two thirds. Tucking your shirt does the same trick. Meaning, I think you can perfectly wear a long jacket as long as you tuck your shirt so you've got a breaking point for your thirds to achieve the golden ratio.
Yes, the jacket doesn’t have to be the thing but as this video is about jackets, I thought I would talk about it. I have done videos on it with other items in the wardrobe too 👍 Get and agree with what you are saying though
The main takeaway of this video is that cropped jackets look the best. And I couldn't agree more.
I see what you’re saying but I like my jackets to be oversized and most jackets that stop at the waist aren’t roomy enough. I hate tight fitted outerwear in general tbh.
That’s cool man. It’s not going to be for everybody and the oversized look can look awesome on some people for sure
How dare you say that I look bad in my jacket..
😂
What kind of friend is like "Hey bro, I just don't think you look good in jackets." Lmao