The Rare Alignment of the City and the Sun - MelbHenge
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2024
- Every year in cities around the world there is a perfect alignment of the city streets and a setting sun. ManhattanHenge. TorontoHenge. ChicagoHenge. I wanted to understand this phenomena and experience it for myself. This is Understanding MelbHenge.
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Unknown Melbourne is a series exploring the weird and wonderful parts of Melbourne, Australia.
In Melbourne the dates are ~ February 6 or 7 and November 3 or 4. Ask a friendly astronomer in your city for local info.
I'd be pinning that comment as it must be the first question someone would ask after that video. Very well presented.
Both of those MelbHenge dates appear to be exactly half way in between the December Summer Solstice and their respective Equinoxes in Spring and Autumn.
Hey Julian next time I recommend trying it from La Trobe street looking westward from Elizabeth street crossing. I live on La Trobe so for a few weeks every year walking home is GOD DAMN BLINDING. Theres less trees obstructing the light so it's even more pronounced.
@@lillys9876 That's awesome. Hopefully our movements around the state will not be restricted for November!
Thanks. Added the dates to my calendar, yearly reminder :)
Ah, the good old days, when you could hang around on the streets of Melbourne.
If you live in Melb you'd be in 5km anyway
We can get those days back if everyone stops winging and protesting and starts following the govt. guidelines ...
There is light at the end of the tunnel...just a few more months in the darkness...until we all get vaccinated 😊
...and not have your skull beaten in.
@@iwishilivedinafreecountry5749 If you're causing civil unrest over stupid conspiracy theories then maybe you have it coming
@@slyfoxie55 Exactly. If you're not from the city stay out of the city! We don't want you here atm
Never heard of Melbhenge! The Shrine of Rememberance in Melbourne has been built to light the centre of the memorial with the sun at 11.11am on Rememberance Day, when a minutes silence is observed.
Is it the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, or just the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month?
Unfortunately that light ended up an hour out of whack once daylight savings was introduced in 1971 with the shaft of light hitting the Stone of Rememberance at noon. So a mirror was later fitted to guide the sunlight through at the correct time which it does today.
@@NewFalconerRecords two mirrors, I just looked it up. (cause I was told as recently as .. i don't know when .. that it was artifical light, like a torch) They now reflect it back up into the void (the sun light) and then back down so at 11am it slides over the word "Love" in the phrase on the floor. But now I'm thinking of it, maybe it is a torch on those sullen cloud covered days, so it happens every time.
Isambard Kingdom Brunel arranged for the sun to rise through the 2 miles of box train tunnel on his own birthday.
Terrific content
Dear Julian, thank you so much for these beautiful tributes to our amazing city. I've always loved Melbourne and what you've put together is simply amazing. I cannot thank you enough for everything you've done here.
Great vid, unfortunately I think the Sydney CBD is too much of a clusterfuck for us to have a henge 😂
ClusterHenge
Fair Bloody Dinkum Sydney is one of the two worst places I've driven in, the other is Rome. In Sydney I feared for my life, maniacal drivers tailgating you driving at breakneck speed: trying to make you drive at their mental speed, and they won't let you change lanes. Utter kaos! And in Rome it's the same other than Romans treat the road signs as only suggestions. Their cars have many dents on them and no side rear vision mirrors.
@@dennishunt1590 When in Rome...
@@gorillaau G'day gorillaau. I was in Europe (Italy) for 15 weeks, spring 2006. My favourite countries were Italy and Croatia. Thank-you for your interest. Dennis I'm from Geelong, Victoria Australia.
@@dennishunt1590 Really? I'm in Geelong also.
I'm hoping that restrictions are lifted before the end of October as I'd love to experience this MelbHenge "phenomena". Hadn't heard of it untill this video.
On a serious note, I cant help but find these videos heartwarming during lockdown. It fills me with a pleasant nostalgia for the city I already live in. Cant wait to sit on the steps of parliament house again :-)
Thanks for a lovely comment. I’m also keen to get back out there.
Oh hey, I know Sara Webb! We worked on the same level of the astronomy building at Swinburne during our PhDs. Didn't know she was involved with this, that's really neat to discover her here. :)
Omg I was rewatching this to remember what i'd forgotten for melbhenge 2021 and saw this :D I'm sad I didn't get to say goodbye before your big move!
@@sarawebb5831 Haha, nice! Well, you'll just have to come say 'hi' in person in Hawaii sometime. ;)
Found this hidden jem of a channel, great place to get to know Melbourne better.
Thanks Srikrishna! Appreciate it.
My first time visiting and driving in Melbourne I must have timed it perfectly to see this.
Unfortunate the car had a filthy windscreen and I couldn't see a thing in traffic, it was terrifying. :)
Another fact about Melbourne I did not know about until today. Thank you.
No worries!
I once went to there visitor centre and asked if I can work there
Best Aussie RUclips channel 👍
I am sure your channel is making hundreds of people around the world fall in love with our beautiful city ❤
Cheers Ali - very kind! 😀
What a fascinating video. Love the Melbhenge, I was lucky enough to be in NY for theirs just out of coincidence. Here's an interesting side note, there are aparently 694 cities around the world that have this effect, but as you can imagine, most are just expected as big cities often have a street that just happens to be in the right spot. But sometimes on rare occasions this is planned. The UK city of Milton Keynes is just one such city. You've probably never heard of this place, it's not terribly famous and is terribly new - having been created in 1967. It now has a population of quarter a million and is about the least British city you can imagine, built for the car, with wide streets and a grid pattern. Actually, in all fairness, other UK cities have grids, so this shouldn't be a big thing, but this grid is very unBritish in design and was deliberately aligned with the summer solstice. The original alignment was shifted on the drawing board by the planners and they celebrated this with the main road being named Midsummer Boulevard. Yep, the whole city centre grid was deliberately aligned and they named the main road after it.
brings back memories of getting the sun in my eyes waiting for my bus on Lonsdale after uni 😅 loving these videos!!
Glad you like them!
Another fun fact to do with the Sun.
Broome in WA is one of the few places in the world where you can see both the Sunrise and Sunset over water from land.
Not that it means much to the average person who might watch this video.
But both the Sunrise and Sunset in Broome is a great place to get the best photo if you enjoy taking photos of both times of the day.
Cable Beach for Sunrise.
Gantheaume Point for Sunset.
( i have a great photo of both places 😊
Broome.
Is also the home to the Oldest ( operating ) Outdoor Cinema.
Opened in December 1916
You Might have seen a small piece of the Cinema in the movie Australia.
Ironically called. Sun Pictures
4:46 If in an apocalyptic earth where nothing survives except the street grid, they wouldn't know about memorial day or baseball.
Omg you are so lovely. Thank you for making these videos about Melbourne!
Loving your videos Julian. I’ve just binge watched all of them. Keep up the good work! You deserve a lot more followers, so hopefully the algorithm treats you well.
If I had one critique it would be your idiosyncratic way of starting nearly every phrase with “and” or “but”, leading to your vids sounding like a single, massive run-on sentence.
Thanks, Joshua - appreciate it! And cheers for feedback. :)
This guy makes me proud of my country, hats off to Julian.
I just spent my first extended period of time in Melbourne, just a little over a week. Watching this makes me remember how beautiful the city is.
I miss Melbourne so much. Can’t wait to get back to travelling soon.
Don't come to Melbourne. It's overrun by fascistic goons.
@@iwishilivedinafreecountry5749 The labour party?
@@nova5224 VICPOL Pty Ltd specifically but it IS a Labor government that's giving them their orders. See for yourself: ruclips.net/video/z-hThCBi8GQ/видео.html
Love your channel. I can't believe you don't have more subscribers but I am sure they will come.
Thanks for watching - appreciate it. :)
Oh so that's what was happening. My family goes the NYC and around the area a couple of times a month and once we noticed all these people gathered to take a picture. We just thought so many people were enamored with the sunset that they wanted to take a picture. I didn't know it was a special solar occasion.
Also my family goes to the city area often bc we live on long Island in case anyone was wondering.
I just learnt something new about the city I've lived in for over 50 years!
Melb henge used to blind tf out of me on my way to uni. good times
Okay so like a few I'm a new subscriber and honestly just listening to your positive outlook on so much is incredibly enlightening.
Please keep up the great work and I look forward to learning so much more from watching your videos.
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I had no idea about Melbhenge. How wonderful!
Why are you rocking back and forth, it's deeply unsettling
finally someone else saying it. it's really off-putting how close he gets to the camera
Thankyou for the vid. I really enjoyed it. I miss Melbourne.
So, if I were to reminisce with my friends about seeing melpenge in September could I say “do you remember the 21st night of September”
Greetings from Manhattan NYC!
I've been to Melbourne about 15 years ago. It's odd for a "northerner" to watch the arc of the sun during the day being to the north vs. arcing across the southern sky. It's a bit disorienting...
01:10 Guest describes Solstice, channel promptly shows random shot of sun through a gap in the stones.
01:10 Guest says ",,,people had to have understood ... as a whole."
IMO it doesn't take a lot of maths or science to put a stick in the ground and mark its shadow from time to time. You will soon learn it goes back and forth yearly and maybe get all picky about when exactly it stops at the extreme and begins to reverse, the Sunstop point, the Sol Stasis, the Solstice.
People get all mysterious about it, but it's just the result of Earths axis being tilted relative to the plane of Earth's orbit around the sun.
Many people all around the planet throughout human history have made that same observation, just because we are all equally intelligent, and made use of it as they saw fit.
Big thumbs up for the great content!
This is amazing. Keep up the good work.
I'm glad you said Melbourne was aligned the way it is due the river . I was thinking no way it's to cause the " henge " .
I was thinking surely it's a coincidence as pretty much every city is a grid & the majority would at one point have something similar occur .
Similarly drivers are blinded alot of mornings or evenings on cloudless days traveling over the Westgate at the right time of day
ive never heard of this before, I love your videos
Thanks Julian Just found you on You Tube and just watched a number of your videos Thanks for highlighting our wonderful City and all other content. Your efforts are appreciated. Daz 62 of Craigieburn Vic
Thanks, Daryl - glad you’re enjoying it.
Thanks! I got some nice shots from Lonsdale and William Street last year.
Just discovered your channel. Great videos.
Love it mate. You could do one about the realignment of St Kilda road for the memorial and it's alignment to the ARM building with the Aboriginal man's face. (You'll get a kick out of the trenches dug in Opposite the Barack's during the war)
Great topic idea. I’ve made a (TikTok) video on the face building.
"It'll be back in November" Looks like I'll be waiting for February 6th I guess because of these lockdowns, glad I found this channel during it though.
Apparently Jericho had a tower that did a similar thing to Stonehenge, about 11,000 years ago. This sort of thing was common then. It was their form of calendar!
Ah, marvelous Melbourne.
Funny how RUclips recommended this to me a day after it happened, a few months after this video was made.
Grew up in Melbourne, not lived there for 17 years and I never knew about this.
You should try the corner of latrobe and swonston. Tree lines are minimal and the street elevation goes up towards west, of course it is without gorgeous classical steps behind you like on bourke but so good for photography.
Good tip
Man. You are the Tom Scott of Melbourne
Knowing Melbourne's weather, you don't know what you're gonna get
Yep, in late 1976 we had an ultra-rare total eclipse of the sun and whaddya know? It clouded over.
that was a cool video and all, but it was really disconcerting to watch you keep leaning forward into the camera
Thanks and thanks for the feedback.
nice, maybe I should have taken my wedding photos on those steps when melbhenge was happening
Stumbled upon this exactly one week before the November date (or should I say RUclips algorithm made me stumble upon this... ), coincidence?
Check it out!
There is an even better one which I stumbled on in Sydney. Luckily it is predictable, weather permitting.
Consult your calendar for full moon rises at dusk, then catch the Manly ferry from either Manly or Circular Quay to coincide with the rise to take a spectacular shot of the huge Moon on the Pacific Ocean horizon right between North and South Heads.
Another ferry related tip is arrange to sail into Circular Quay at dusk when the city begins to light up (itself spectacular) and the bats from the Botanical Gardens fly overhead across Circular Quay to their feeding grounds out west.
I just discovered your channel and I LOVE it. I live in Melbourne and it's good to see all these interesting videos and stuff I didnt know
Thanks, mate!
Love the videos, but some background noises or songs are a bit annoying, one has a metronome like sound at 2:30, and another has some high pitches 3:20 , not a deal breaker but quite distracting. Really like your channel and i think it has great potential to be a huge education channel, best of luck
Another great place for the Sunset in Melbourne ?
Driving West over the West Gate Bridge at Sunset ????
Many know of this great time of the day if they are stuck on the bridge.
I was disappointed to find that this was about Melbourne and not Mel B
I didn't know this was a thing and I have been living in CBD from last 8 years, will definitely check out next time.
I've been wanting to find a sunrise/sunset eclipse/henge conjunction for a while (i.e. an eclipse that occurs during a city-henge) I think that would lead to some amazing photos.
Anyone want to do the research to find such an event?
I really appreciate your videos, especially those on SA, as these are places that I rarely see mentioned in any big medium.
Glad you like them!
If the henge spots winter solstice that would make sense. But the Equinox? Day and night are equal length at equinox, it passes the season of Autumn into ever longer nights and the approaching Winter, or longer Daylight meant the summer harvest was returning. If your life closely depended upon each passage of the seasons: when to dig, when to plant, when to harvest, when to go over your remaining winter stocks (fuel, clothes, general stores) you'd want good time to get ahead of each coming winter. To know when daylight would grow the less, and the nights grew deeper.
But I'd like to know a Winter was passing, more than I cared whether Summer had reached its height: might be important to begin preparing a paddock for your crop and take advantage of the Spring, to take stock of the remaining winter fuel inventory, to make note of the state-of-wear of your garment furs and fabrics - what bedding to plan on replacing - in a Spring ta do list of chores.
I can't imagine how people only fixated on whether the daylight hours began to grow less, than the dark of night grew deeper. Sure, you would fear the dark, its cold and bleak howling, and its bite. If a people knew that much about the sun's cycle, wouldn't they at least also note the time when Winter's longest night had passed, that the daylight thence would become stronger... perhaps this was simply harder to observe in Winter skies?
Wasn’t Stonehenge essentially paved over, repositioned and remade about a hundred years ago? I remember reading about and seeing some evidence of it
I must say the photo you took on the left looks stunning! Any chance of getting a higher res version that I can use for my phone's background?
Stonehenge was rebuilt several times in the last century, most recently in the 60s!
I was ... November? Isn't the solstice in December? On the 22nd or so?
Then it hit me. The grid must be a wee bit offset. And also, it's a business centre, not a religious/pagan monument. So, November it is .. and I'm counting the days.
Just an FYI ... if you're ever driving down Dawson Street West Brunswick at the right time just after sunrise in the morning, towards Moonee Ponds, the sun is reflected off the mirrored buildings in Moonee Ponds Junction _and_ also in your rear vision mirrors (you are therefor blinded and might crash, but it's a stunning event, even so)
I should think that Neil deGrasse Tyson was technically wrong when he says that the sun sets to East and West at the equinoxes. It would only be truly East and West at the equator. I think solar declination is the term that indicates the angle that's important. At the poles it's about 0.2 degrees off East and West. Not much, but important enough for an astronomer, physicist or astrophysicist.
i hope this current lockdown is over by november so that i can see this
Great vid!!! I enjoyed it :)
Cheers, Lauren
Same thing happens in Collins st ,looking from Elizabeth st in the early Morn about 7am on wards on a clear day. One more thing DON'T stare at the Sun.
In Europe we don't have problems with aligning sun to our streets, because our cities are not giant squares
"They would conclude that America was about war and baseball"
Well that's at least half correct ;P
I can see the soul of your most recent victim in your eyes.
Most of the oldest structures in the oldest cities are orientated to the current geographical true north of the time they were built.
Eventually the new cities will fall out of alignment.
Absolutely great content. Just found your stuff and I'm enjoying it deeply especially for my love of Melbourne. I was wondering however where the 3d render of Melbourne came from? Is that google earth? It's just something I haven't seen so crisp and clear before.
Glad you’re enjoying it! - Google Earth Studio for that one
Thank you so much, hope the Melbourne lockdown is treating you gently 👍😅 it's definitely an interesting time to be living in this city.
Wait, MIT celebrates a corridor... only 250 meters long ? That's not a lot, my old high school had a floor that was just one long straight corridor, when I attempted to measure it, it came up around 300 meters.
We need a statue of Stonehenge made of human statues called manhenge
If my calculations are correct, the sun doesn't set at exactly the same time for both of the MelbHenges. On the dates of the November MelbHenge, the sun is setting at around about 8:00pm AEDST. On the dates of the February MelbHenge, it sets at around about 8:30pm AEDST. How does the sun happen to be in the same spot with the amount of difference that there is between the sunset times for both months?
I miss home
4:35 lol 😂
Don't you mean Melbourstan?
Ummm. The alignment for stone henge is not an equinox alignment due East or due West, you see as the summer approaches the sun sets furthur and furthur North of West in the Northern Hemisphere and furthur and furthur South of West in the Southern. You can see that as the sun set spot moving around the horizon, then at the Solstice the sun set spot changes direction and moves the other way.
What you see in May and November is not an extremum, a change of direction date.
By the way, Glenhuntly Road is East West aligned. I know because of driving problems March 21 and September 21 at sun set. In much of suburban Melbourne, the bits laid out by Hoddel, are on a true North South alignment with cross streets True East West.
True North rather than Magnetic North. The North we get from the sun. Don't use a compass to find true North, watch the sun when it is highest in the sky, that direction is true North. Or look at a light post shadow, when it is shortest that line points true south.
To find a propper solstice henge, find a street bearing 30 degrees South of due West or 240 degrees and 30 degrees North of due west or 300 degrees the first should be visited at sunset on mid summer and the second at sunset on mid winter. Let me get my apps working to find 240 and 300. Easy just ask Google "direction of sunset December 21 Melbourne" Google knows.
La Trobe & Swanston or La Trobe & Elizabeth is much better for this.
Those damm trees, spoiling the view like that, how dare they !! 🤣🤣
freemason sunworship goes deep
You don't need to know anything about the cosmos to have created Stonehenge. You just need a few sticks.
julian do u shave ur eyebrows?
There are many roads that line up with the setting sun, damned annoying.
…’kids complaining about how boring it is.’ 🤣🤣🤣
War & Baseball? You're nor far off to be honest.
What pandemic?
Fucking NDT, "It only sets due west on the equinox" so what, does it set in the south in winter? It's fairly western unless you're in Antarctica or Sweden
It’s sad that this phenomenon needs a video to explain it.
Kids complaining about how boring Melbourne is. Out of the mouths of babes....
did you need almost 7 minutes to explain this?
It's not the only thing that gets explained.
You want to tell me that America is not about war and baseball?