Dexit - The Moment, The Aftermath, The Future of Pokémon
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Hoo boy. This is probably one of the touchiest subjects to discuss for a channel such as this, but here goes. It's been nearly 5 years since we learned that the new Pokémon games wouldn't have all of the Pokémon in them. It was not the best time to be a Pokémon fan. In this video we'll briefly go over what happened, the aftermath, my personal thoughts it as well as things I wish Pokémon would try to help alleviate the sting of what this change in direction for the franchise has caused.
Links to some stuff sited in the video:
Reddit Sword and Shield reveal thread - www.reddit.com...
Polygon dex cut article - www.polygon.co...
NicheGamer dex cut article - nichegamer.com...
Nintendo Life Junichi Masuda birthday tweet article - www.nintendoli...
Polygon Sword and Shield Game Freak interview - www.polygon.co...
I apologize for the background noise you might hear at a couple of points a way into the video. I live on a busy street, and I tried my best to edit it out, and a little bit managed to stay in.
This was also admittedly a video I was very nervous to make. This topic either doesn't matter at all to someone, or, if you're clicking on this video, it likely matters *very much*. I think all feelings, criticisms, about this subject are valid, but let's keep it civil. Everyone has a right to enjoy or not enjoy something, after all.
If you're reading this, hope you have a great week!
Thanks for the video! It's very nice to hear someone else has a similar outlook and feelingson the situation. There are many types of Pokémon fans and players. We all enjoy the series in different ways, and I think it's important to address the concerns from all fans in a respectful and understanding way. Having Pokémon Home include it's own battle simulator is seriously one of the best ideas, and I'm ok with it being realized in any way. It could be a simplified version of battles, or something new completely. Anything to make it more worthwhile keeping all my Pokémon in there.
The 2 games look cool and are not even close to be bad gamee.
The Dexit makes me laugh, who cares about the old génération you collected and maxed beforen? There are I think 600 new Pokemons in DLC + sword and shield ones. If people want to play theur old Pokemonw just play old génération games.
Also the fact older Pokemons not coming is actualy a GOOD THING.
It makes older Pokemon games you possess even more valuable if you want to catch them all.
Just remember, sun and moon on 3DS has every Pokémon, two gimmicks (mega and z moves)
Minigames, and more, on a FUCKING 3DS, and it looks good.
and USUM dont have the national dex, but you can still have all pokemon in usum.
I still think that they were going to dexit in gen 7 (thus the lack of a nat-dex) but realized there was no way they could get away with it since it was still a 3ds game with the same models.
My only real problem is they still push returning pokemon as a major selling point of the DLCs so it's not a matter of not being able to but they're still selling us access to those pokemon
the scope issue is not nothing, but SWSH were not at that point yet. it’s ludicrous to think that SWSH couldn’t contain the national dex, especially with reused assets. It has that capacity and more. It was intended to sell them back in DLC and i will die with that belief.
I agree with that notion. I speculated that they'd eventually make a game, bring everyone else back via DLC, and use that as a selling point. And I WAS RIGHT... sort of. Most advertising for Indigo Disk was about being able to have every starter (without telling you that you had to grind BP to upgrade the biomes beforehand).
Based on the SwSh beta leaks, it's believable that they didn't have enough time before the release to include all the Pokémon. But they could've added em all after. I'm not sure that the 100 or so missing Pokémon in SwSh could've been added in.
I honestly prefer not having to catch them all for dex completion because I would not be able to catch over 800 Pokemon for my Pokédex
According to JPR videos, apparently they had technical issues with some of the assets they had and didnt have time to implement every pokemon.@@breestringham1063
@@CAT_LoVEr917 Pokemon home has a National dex along with individual Pokedex on the mobile for individual games if you want to complete the National dex.
Battle Sim in Home is literally a perfect idea they should add some V-pet features into it too
I think that battles should take place in an entire new software, maybe with Pokémon editing tools on par with the save editors made by the community. The HOME service is all about storing, so it's directed more to collectors than to competitive players, battle enjoyers as a whole (Battle Frontier trauma who?). The amie/refresh/camp/picnic features would be more on point with the HOME concept, for sure.
Commenting before watching the vid: I feel that dexit was a net negative for the single player experience, and honestly inexcusable given the resources at tPCI's disposal.
However, I do feel that it has really spiced things up in the competitive scene, with generations now feeling more like TCG rotations, each with their own unique mechanics and movesets, and with old and new pokemon being added in the form of "expansions" via dlc.
After watching: i wholeheartedly agree that the lack of effort put into home is a big sticking point in the modern era. I definitely feel less connected to my pokemon than ever with many of them being stuck in home with no real way to interact with them besides viewing their models on the mobile app
Competitive justifies nothing related to Pokédex cut in main series games, as themed and restricted cups exist since online competitions were born. Just a list of banned species would be enough to make series/regulations as interesting as online competitions, or revamping VGC seasons as a whole.
Literally hate that I somehow can't get Cramorant in Pokemon Violet bro I just want a sillt blue duck!!
@@falcon_arkaig Version-exclusive species exist since 1996... But yeah the two versions thing is dated and Cramorant and Morpeko aren't the best two suited to be exclusives.
@@croma3375 Yeah. But you know what hasn't existed since 1996? A paid online subscription. :(
Ultra Sun (3DS, 2017): 807 coded Pokémon, £40
Scarlet (Switch, 2022): 843 coded Pokémon, £80
That's 5 years to just about match what the previous console was doing easily. The models being used in these latest games are still from 2013 btw. There is no hardware limitation, the only limitation is that the Pokémon Company has given up on making games. It's 100% just laziness and a desire to market Home subscriptions.
THIS THIS THIS!!!! Pokémon Home deserves to have a battle simulator of its own! Pokémon amie in it could be great too! Keeping my Pokémon locked in storage with nothing to do is sad. Like you, I understand that this was inevitability, and I am also ok with it. At the same time, I really don't envy GameFreak's position in constantly balancing the old with the new. I'm grateful they've continued to support transfer of older Pokémon (it's definitely one of the features that sets them apart from other RPGs, along with the multiplayer and competitive aspects). It really can't be easy to balance all these factors when working on a new game each time.
Fun fact: we haven't had a single interview since sword and shield dropped from gamefreak what so ever. They were so traumatized by the fanbases reaction to their comments that they now refuse to talk because they know it'll just piss more people off.
What if National Dexes never existed throughout the series? How'd the games' qualities have been like? And how'd the fanbase have behaved towards GameFreak?
They’re cowards
Maybe if they were sprite based again you might be able to see all of your monsters in one place.
I honestly miss the ability to keep my entire living dex in one place for a one time payment
Yeah, this is the biggest thing for me. Even older Pokémon storage systems were one time purchase. I really think home should be free, and be saved on the device (requiring a connection to the internet for the adding of home IDs to anything deposited). Home can add actual content for a cost instead.
This is why all of my shinies and beloved pokemon are staying in ultra moon where they won’t get thanosed
I don't think Dexit was ever inevitable. They could DEFINITELY fit 1000+ Pokemon into a Switch game. They were able to fit 700+ mons on a 3DS cartridge.
Even if it isn't on the cartridge day 1, they were able to add in more of the older Pokemon through dlc updates. It wouldn't even have to be a whole expansion either. They could easily add the rest of the returning mons as wild encounters, raid events or even just for transfer for free. The problem is that Game Freak and TPC aren't willing to commit. They feel they need to immediately move on to the next games while nearly abandoning the current gen games. Despite them being the current competitive games for several years with NO meaningful updates.
I truly feel the actual reason they cut the PokeDex is to further incentivise purchasing Pokemon HOME subscriptions. They want you to constantly pay to keep all your mons in the app rather than all in one game for free.
Dexit will always be the WORST thing Pokemon has ever done. It shouldn't even be a controversy amongst fans. Anyone who's a Pokemon fan should voice their criticism for these decisions and attempt to fight for change, for things to return to the STANDARD of what was.
You can transfer for free like you can even have ogerpon without the dlc if a friend trade you one
@@pato_el_pato5540 Not if you wanna transfer from Pokemon Bank to HOME. You need a paid subscription for that.
Plus, to even get dlc mons like Ogerpon in the first place requires one person to buy the dlc.
Why wasn't it inevitable? It definitely happened way too early, but by the time they've made thousands of pokemon, implementing each and every one of those pokemon into each game new game, fixing any bugs that might've appeared because of that, checking to make sure none of them would break the competitive scene, ect would just take way too much time and use way too many resources to be worth it at some point. It was inevitable if pokemon wanted to continue to grow and evolve as a franchise, it just happened way earlier than it needed to.
@@louiepikmin3184 The main series Pokemon are one of the most vital aspects to the franchise. Therefore, they deserve to have the time, people and effort to put into them. GF and TPC clearly do not give themselves that.
Even going all the way back to the 3DS games, all the Pokemon models were very high poly and good looking. This was in attempt to future-proof themselves for future titles so that they WOULDN'T have to put as much time and effort to redo everything for each game. With technology getting bigger, better and more powerful, that also means more memory storage. Meaning containing more and more Pokemon data on future hardware shouldn't be an issue.
It's totally possible! But GF and TPC are making poor decisions with their unreasonably tight 3 year schedules per Generation. They're also shooting themselves in the foot by having more detailed and updated models as of SV rather than keeping a simple yet stylistic art style for the games. Breaking their whole thing of raising and bonding with whatever mons you want to transfer to current games.
Also, about competitive balancing. Official competitive rulesets have always only allowed Pokemon found in the game's regional dex for battle in the 3DS games. They could easily keep that ruleset and have outsider mons only legible for casual battling like they used to.
Someday pokemon go is gonna be the only game that contains every pokemon species
The thing is, I think a lot of people would have been legitimately ok with Dexit if the new graphics/animation thing had been real.
Like, if SwSh came with the texture/material update from S/V, that would've been something.
Maybe just the X number of featured pokemon get slight tweaks, new punch/kick/snuggle animations, and maybe some attach points for accessories.
I mean, the cureent gen pokemon had to get the capacity for hats and new textures just because of terastalizing, so we may see simple clothes next gen!
Just in general, there should always be something to show for a limited dex!
Otherwise, the number of mons should be at least closer to the pre-dexit numbers.
It just feels so nasty to have them reduce the number of pokemon for what feels like no good reason.
The data and models all exist in home, so its On Disc DLC-adjacent. Just sitting there, waiting for modders to add them back in, basically.
Theres also that weirdness with GO to LETS GO to HOME. But, if you use GO to HOME, you cant go back to LETS GO. It would be so much cleaner if they went back and gave LETS GO a bit of love.
My main issue was the Pokemon returning in first and the amount. Sword and shield had 400 Pokemon, which regardless of the amount of new Pokemon feels like a downgrade because gen 6 had 721 Pokemon, and Alola added a bunch more, as in over 800 Pokemon total were available+any that had alt forms if you transfered them in. When I heard about the dex cut, I didn't think much about what that actually meant until someone posted a list of the games pokedex online... I immediately had a big reaction to it. I remember more about that moment then my original playthrough of Shield
EDIT: I want to add this at the beginning because I feel like I came off kind of harsh in my comment; I really enjoyed your video, and honestly I feel pretty much the same way. I just personally disagree that Dexit was always going to be inevitable.
There's not really a good reason for not including all the pokemon, that's what really annoys me.
-it's not a model problem, the models are for themost part identical to X/Y
-it's not a space issue, modders have been able to add older pokemon with ease
-it's not a balance issue, since they clearly aren't worried about balance
You say that it's untenable to continue to add more pokemon and still keep the old ones, and that Dexit was inevitable, but I honestly don't see it. They should have gone out of their way to make sure that this wasn't a problem. They added more pokemon in the DLC for the newer games, but why did they stop? When gen 8 and 9 finally ended they should have opened the floodgates and let you transfer everything you wanted, but no, they still left some out.
I'm serious, I would really like to know why Dexit was inevitable, from a logistical standpoint. If anyone has any answers I'd be happy to hear them out
Because at some point, they'd be implementing thousands of pokemon per generation, updating hundreds of models per generation, make sure to check every single pokemon and every single move to make sure none of them are broken or super unbalanced with the changes of the new games, ect. I agree that doing it in sword and shield wasn't necessary, but at some point, it was inevitable. It would've just been way too much work and that time is better spent improving the games. Once again, I agree that this shouldn't have happened now, but it was inevitable.
@@louiepikmin3184 I addressed those points in my post; I absolutely agree that if they cared about balancing or updating the models, then yes at some point it wouldn't be feasible. But since they DON'T care about balance (as they've shown) and the models are for the most part the same as they were a decade ago, I can't think of a reason.
the concept of an amie-like feature in pokemon home is actually an amazing idea and I just know it won't happen...
I still refuse to play any mainline game without all the Pokémon.
The excuses are simply covering for bad business practices and decision, so I will not support those with my money. This can be seen by how unoptimized both Gen 8 and 9 are, despite their cuts. Gamefreak's programming simply sucks.
A thousand Pokémon might seem like a lot to the average person, but if they actually hired good developers and put some effort into the technical side of things, then modern and steadily improving soft- and hardware could possibly handle even millions of unique Pokémon in the future.
Finally, if Pokémon Home was free, as long as one purchased main line game was registered with it, or if it was at least priced similarly to Bank, then it would be less of a problem, but this way you are paying them to keep several of your Mons stuck in Home. Bank wasn't made for profit, so they decided to make Home instead, instead of simply updating Bank for more platforms and with better features.
i love home for switching between my profiles on my switch and having multiple saves. I know it took a while to implement but i really appreciate for the BDSP etc, you can actually go back and forth between the various games whilst your pokemon still retains a lot of its data. Finally stopped that one-way thing
Dexit hit me incredibly hard because I tend to view all my Pokemon as beloved pets.
Nearly each one I have raised holds a special memory for me (Especially my HeartGold team), so to have all those fond, special memories be locked up and basically held for ransom really made me lose a TON of respect for Game Freak, TPC, and whoever else was in charge of the decision.
I don't give two shits if my Pokemon are just '1's and 0's'...they are MY 1's and 0's that I spent an entire decade collecting and raising, and I shouldn't have to pay them MORE money just to watch them sit and rot in HOME while they potentially wait another 3-6 years to be available for the next game.
HOME really needs a battle simulator and an Amie feature to actually make it worth the money we're paying for it. Otherwise, it feels less like a 'Home' and more like a 'Prison'. I miss being able to pet, feed, and play with all my Pokemon.
Agreed, dexit and the fugly galar fossils ruined the franchise for me and made me quit the series.
@@GameFreakSucks aw c'mon dont talk about my buddy dracovish like that it's doing its best :(
@@sapiescent dude don’t get butthurt about me criticizing your sacred cow, fans deserve better, there’s no excuse for why we can’t have all of the pokemon and fix the galar fossils
@@GameFreakSucks "Sacred cow" DANG you gotta cool off kid. See there's the thing you hate my boy so much you blame him for the downfall of mankind or whatever. He doesn't NEED to be fixed. He's already perfect.
As for the dex I was riled up about dexit too but unlike you I wasn't a needless jerk to internet randos about it. I never said the dexit situation was good.
@@GameFreakSucksI agree with you here wholeheartedly friend. While I didn't care much for the gen 8 mons, that's the least important of the issues. The fundamentals issue of not including all the pokemon in a series originally about "catching them all" and seeing the amount of people who defend such blatantly lazy and anticonsumer actions seriously put me off the series. Paying a whopping $30 total $60 for both or twice the price of the original game for an expansion no matter how big to include things that should have never been taken away in the first place. The expansions should have never been paid DLC and if it was any previous gen it would have (and should have continued to be) a free add on, and the mons should have been in base SwSh. Watching so many people get a kick out of and defending getting nickeled and dimed by GF and TPC really just saddens me more than anything. SwSh were mediocre games by themselves, but for what they represent they are the worst in the series imo.
Dexit was unavoidable. How they handled it was unacceptable.
Always felt like Dexit was a wildly misleading name.
I know it means not every Pokémon be able to be used. But Sun and Moon had ready removed the Dex. That was the start of it. First remove the Dex, then remove the Pokémon. By all accounts, the Nat Dex was gone years before.
Dexit sucks and is a disgrace, PERIOD. It is an insult to the players and anyone who accepts it or apologizes on GF's behalf does not care about the franchise either.
Bro shut the hell up it’s not the end of the world.
All I'll say is I will continue to refuse to play any pokemon game without every pokemon in it. This unfortunatly means that all of my pokemon since FireRed are still back in UltraMoon.
The removal of Pokemon from the games has always been an inevitability, but I'm still not a fan of how small the number allowed is these days. 400 in a regional dex feels way too small, and you can feel some NPC teams re-use Pokémon, when XY had a 450 mon regional dex.
And the final games to have all the Pokémon in them were USUM, which had 807 Pokémon in their data. Meanwhile, modern Pokémon games struggle to reach this number, even with multiple DLC additions.
On top of all of that, Legends Arceus only had 242 Pokémon in the data, but nobody was upset by that because that game had fantastic storytelling and world building, innovative gameplay changes (compared to other Pokemon games at least), and took risks artistically and mechanically.
I still believe Dexit was just a way to sell those extra Pokemon back via DLC, and I refuse to buy the DLC because of that. I wish Game Freak, TPC, and Creatures would just hire more people to mitigate the workload, since there's PLENTY of talented individuals out there that would love to work on the Pokemon franchise, and it's not like the series doesn't make enough money to make it worthwhile just to keep the positive vibe around the franchise rather than making people feel as though they're doing the bare minimum to get by and make maximum profit.
Hopefully this changes in the future, but it won't until the dinosaurs at the top of each of these companies for decades. Until then, hopefully BDSP becomes a great hub for ROM hacks and giving people fantastic experiences beyond what the official games are providing.
Well, the DLC wouldn't be interesting to play without dexit, that is true.
But on the other hand now you pay 40 $ for hours of new content. Before dexit you paid 60$ for a minor patch
But you don't need the DLC to use all the Pokemon they added back into the game... So long as your game was updated to the newest version, you could use all those Pokemon if you transferred them from the older games (and they even included a lot of extra Pokemon that you couldn't even catch in the DLC areas, but could still be transferred to the game, like many of the starter Pokemon for example).
Not only do pokemon games now mess up the whole idea of "gotta catch them all" but also look and perform crappily compared to other games on the same system. Also game freak is WAAY too big to be having such a small dev team nowadays, plus we don't need a yearly pokemon game for christ's sake
If the rest of swsh gave a valid reason for dexit I and I think most of the masses would eventually find it worth it
However what we got was a lazy unfinished game with barely anything substantial to do that lacks on nearly every front of a pokemon game
Swsh had so much potential, and I'm especially disappointed considering I'm british myself but oh well. Let's hope z-a finally does this series some justice for the first time a long while
I'd be ok with dexit if gamefreak made an offline version of home without a subscription fee(I hated the fee in bank too but at least with bank I could transfer everything to a cartridge and forget it exists until the next gen)
Except Totem Pokémon introduced in USUM, the buffoons never fixed that. As well as they never stopped Bank flagging Dizzy Punch as illegal when learned by a baby Pokémon hatched from the Odd Egg in VC Crystal.
Funny enough I think Dexit itself somewhat heart pokemon's own bottomline in the long run.
Think about it, back in gens 1-7 there was a reason to constantly get the new games, buy them and transfer your pokemon up through the gens. Even if you didn't care much for how the games looked, there was cool to see the monsters you raised from Gen 3 on be brought up in newer games.
But now, each game kind of feels... separated. There isn't really a pressure to buy say, the Gen 4 remakes when there is nothing in that game that isn't in Gen 8 main games.
Pokemon has made itself just like every other monster taming game/Rom hack, and when you actually start looking at the games subjectively, they are kind of not great (Doesn't help that the series kind of have been on a downtrend in terms of content in games since Gen 6 but that is another story)
You can't even trade between different games in the same generation like you used to, it all has to go through HOME.
Gotta catch some of ‘em
Yep :/
People REALLY need to stop blaming everything on gamefreak. The fall in quality of the games isn't because of gamefreak being "Lazy" or "Not trying hard enough;" it's because of time constraints. Each of the two teams at gamefreak only have 3 years to make a brand new game with brand new pokemon... That's it, 3 years, and a year of that is taken up by making DLC for the previous games. So it's essentially 2 years to make a brand new game. That's nowhere near enough time. Look at some Nintendo's best selling franchises on switch and look at the development times: Mario took 6 years to get a new game after Odyssey (And even then it was a different team who made the new game,) there was a 6 year gap between BotW and TotK for Zelda, a 5 year gap between splatoon 2 and 3, and hell, so many other franchises still haven't recieved a second mainline game on the switch (Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, ect.) 2 years is just simply not enough time to make a game, so lots of corners have to be cut, which has resulted in the quality of pokemon games going down. So to the "Gamefreak lazy/bad" crowd, it's not their fault, it's the fault of The Pokemon Company/Nintendo for not giving them more time or resources to work on these games. Gamefreak is doing what they can, and there's definitely some signs of good game design in the switch pokemon games, they're just all extremely rushed.
(Also this comment wasn't directed towards you Azure, it's just for the people who blindly blame gamefreak without seeing the whole picture)
Both Game Freak and TPC deserve the blame
Masuda retweeted someone's Meganium Ribbon Master like a day before Dexit was announced :(
I strongly disagree that dexit was inevitable and nothing could have been done. Switch games have more than enough storage to handle the models, and the majority of the models and animations ste still lazy and reused so it really wouldn't be much effort especially for soemthing on the scale of Pokémon to incorporate. It jsut sounds like making excuses for them. Maybe if game freak gets more than a year to release a game this wouldn't even be a consideration in the first place.
Home is shit cause paying $20 a year to just allow my Pokémon to exist with 0 options for physically storing all of them is dumb especially when bank was cheaper.
This is the best comment!
It happened way too early, but it literally was inevitable. Once the number of pokemon gets into the thousands, it'd take way too long to implement every pokemon, check for bugs, and balance each one to make sure none of them absolutely break the game or break the competitive scene. Like it shouldn't have happened now, but it had to happen at some point if pokemon actually wants to grow and evolve
@@louiepikmin3184 i still disagree. like at any point the majority of pokemon will have been in the previous games. So a lot of it can be straight up copied over. and like if theres an issue with the scripting or whatever they could probably try to future proof some of the code specifically involving the pokemon data to make it more modular to just straight up allow copy pasting like that. From there the only thing they really need to manually update is movelists which like could be time consuming sure but on the scale of game development, not really. Everything else like the models and animations and all that doesnt need to be iterated upon every gen, definitely should be improve incrementally. like just polish up the pokemon in the regional dex and leave the transfer only as they are that gen. As for balance that's never been a super strong consideration especially looking at the state of gen IX but like if they do somehow accidentally allow a tera compatible shedinja in or whatever then like they arent shy to patching out broken stuff like with the dragon cheer and cud chew glitches,
And like for far off futures when the numbers do get absurd like the state that game development is is might not even be recognizable and there will probably be easier ways to handle stuff.
If Pokemon fails in 2025, the grim reaper should come after this franchise
What if Pokemon ended after Gen 7? Before the Dexit nonsense ever happened. How'd history have played out from 2016-onwards?
Sword and Shield were my personal Pokemon fall-off games. I just felt so burned when I played those when they came out. I'll enjoy the games afterwards at some point - but I still don't even own Scarlet or Violet, the first games in the series that I haven't picked up at or close to launch. Dexit was a salt in the wound more than a primary issue for me, and more something that I felt bad for people who were *paying* for the service to bring their games forward from past games, but I still see why that would be THE REASON people would swear off or be upset. I still enjoy the game play of Pokemon as a whole, but I would argue that the issues that have cropped up recently have removed some of the 'magic' pokemon has had in the past - at least to me.
Ultra Moon is my last game until they bring back all of the pokemon and fix the galar fossils.
My biggest complaint is gen 3 games not being on the switch
Ikr, I’d love to play ORAS on my switch
The dexcut in its current form was unethical. Simply put they want to have their cake and eat it too. They could have done things like made all mythicals obtainable and not have things like version exclusive legendaries to lower the stakes of collecting but they didn't. They want your collection to have the value so you pay subscription but they don't want to put in the effort to give you the utilitarian benefit of being able to transfer pokemon you can't simply catch in game relatively quickly.
If they simply opted not to make Pokémon Home: Bank users can have their sense of closure, casual fans wouldn't need to worry about transfer exclusive Pokémon and event fomo effecting more then one game, games wouldn't need to have to have similar data structures to all work with one system thus providing them with just as much freedom as other game devs.
Also it's totally feasible for them to hire another studio patch in all the Pokémon into both SWSH and SV and let them battle each other. They have more than enough dough. It's just simple math.
Damn it, now I'm flustered there isn't a battle simulator in Home. That and the care aspect really would make so much sense for a place called Home... I wanna put a regional variant into a danger room style battle, have it Mega evolve then, Gigantamax and then use a Z move, damn it. lol
Pokemon home was something that was free pre 3ds and only 5 bucks post 3ds.
I’ll give my standard recommendation to rad “Shared Illusions” by Todd Rose. It explains how opinions can seem dominant even if they only represent a small portion of the audience, especially in the current media ecosystem.
Personally, I think this is a case of the “bigger than a molehill, still not a mountain” phenomenon where something that is on some level a valid complaint gets magnified for various reasons. Given that not having all the Pokémon in the game is something that would bother a highly dedicated group like completionists, it’s not surprising it got the online traction it did.
I'm of the opinion the national dex itself was unweildy from the start, irrespective of how hard it would be on the developer end. It's a novelty at It's core, one you needed to pay for more often than not. Some would say that novelty is what keeps them invested in the franchise, I'd say it's what keeps them addicted, with sword and shield being the withdraw.
That said, the way gamefreak & co handled "cutting" this feature has eternally poisoned the conversation around it. The issues with the series' development run far too deep to be solved with simply lightening the load, especially when they never fully commited to it in the first place. They didn't cut corners to increase quality, they cut corners to preserve an existing quality
What if Gens 4-8 came out between 2004-2016? With Gen 4 on GBA. Gens 5-6 on DS. And Gens 7-8 on 3DS. And the series ended in 2016 on its 20th Anniversary? How'd the games and their qualities have looked like? How well would they've been recieved?
The Dexit, SwSh being aggressively mediocre and gamefreak/pokemon company being awful, were enough to make me drop the series I'd been playing for 20 years. I doubt I'll ever return. My greatest regret is moving my full Living Dex and ~300 legit shinies onto the Switch. I would give anything. ANYTHING to be able to move them back to Ultra Sun/Moon.
In hindsight, Dexit was always inevitable. They’d always reach a point where there were just too many Pokémon to program into a game - especially at a console changeover. Sword and Shield should NOT have been the games where this was implemented. As much as they try to claim they didn’t have time to craft models for all the Pokémon - most were ported from the 3DS. They’d need cleaning up and textures reworking but they already had a big chunk of the work done. If Nintendo and Game Freak hadn’t rushed the games out, it wouldn’t have been an issue. And for these two being the flagship Pokémon games of the Switch… they doomed them before they even launched. Galar is a beautiful region with great architecture and design, it has a great roster of new Pokémon, but they set it up to fail by making fans bitter about Dexit. And with every subsequent Pokémon Switch game, they’re just making it harder for themselves by refusing to stick to a consistent art style. If they’d take an art style for their games and run with it, they wouldn’t have to worry about making 1000 new models for each game. It really just seems like poor management and rushing things out too quickly.
I was going to say something ... but then I realised this is the Pokémon Fanbase and you can't have different opinions
You can, just some opinions a lot of people really don't like. (I still have the opinion BDSP is massively overhated)
@@LightshaverConstellation I respect that opinion. I do think BDSP were bad remakes but on their own (ignoring the few glitches that exist but I never encountered) I enjoyed BDSP. They really should've had more platinum content like the distortion world and plot. Only platinum stuff I can think of that's in BDSP are the outfits for your trainer where you give them the clothes they wear in platinum instead of diamond and pearl.
Oh yeah, I 100% agree it should have all of platinum content. I do think it is fair to say that they aren't good remakes depending on how they are viewed. The main reason I probably enjoy them more than most is I didn't enjoy original DP as much as most people. I think it also just came out at a good time for me as before dp I was loving emerald and was playing it more then dp still and platinum was the real sinnoh game I was waiting for. With bdsp, I brought shield first, but I didn't open my copy for 2 years and was more excited to play a flawed remake instead.
@@THGMR-ox7sdBDSP were only bad because Diamond and Pearl were bad and BDSP were just being faithful.
Uhh pokemon fans actually have 2 different opinions
Lopunny or Vaporeon
Here's my two cents on the matter. Why not make the next core series titles a ROM hack of Scarlet and Violet? That way they would only need to update the 280+ pokemon not in Scarlet and Violet, as the remaining 800+ would already be programed into the game, with no effort required.
A really easy way to fix this would be to make a game dedicated purely to pokemon battles like the Pokemon Stadium games.
This game would allow you to configure rules for what pokemon and gimmicks could be used and would be updated with the release of future games.
It could even have a battle frontier mode since people keep wanting that back.
It would also be extremely useful for competitive battling for the forseeable future, which also means it would definitely sell well.
The problem of a cut Pokédex is bigger for the collectors than for the battlers, so nice idea, but this wouldn't be a fix. Unless we're talking about mechanics' removal, generation after generation. But for collectors a switch to trigger the temporary forms would be enough to preserve Mega evolution, Primal reversion, Ultra Burst and Gigantamax. 1 like = 1 hug to erased Ash-Greninja.
There is no good excuse. Pokemon games dont need to make all pokemon findable, they just need to be available for transfer. If pokemon fusions cam have 900k pokemon, the switch games can hold even a fraction of that.
Competitive balance isnt even a conversation because pokemon can be banned or unbanned. Look at mythicals
I don’t think so. In VGC Pokémon are never banned. Yes, not even Mega Rayquaza or pre-nerf Zacian
Nice to know that I am not the only one who thinks that Pokémon home should have a Poké-Amie feature!!
It was kind of a short-lived, albeit controversial case. Gen8's dexit cut left many Pokemon out, but Gen9's dexboot brought many back except for two Pokemon. However, many of the fans are bitter and salty about the fact that, despite Gen9's dexboot, many of the returning Pokemon were still left behind by the paidwall of DLC expansion.
So apparently Pokémon scarlet is about 6GB even with new textures. Modern games can easily take over 20, so how hard would it be to keep all the old mons in new games? It shouldn’t be too much effort if they’re just reused models and animations from the previous games.
i don't have the attention span or the energy to sit through this entire 16 minute video (this isn't an issue with your video by the way lol, i watched like 7 minutes of it and it was good, i just can't really dedicate myself to one video for that long) but i think i'm gonna pour all my thoughts on the matter into this comment. sorry if it makes no sense i don't really know what i'm doing
like others have said, i don't get why they can't just add the pokemon back through updates, or even just take a little longer to make the games to add all the pokemon into them BEFORE release. all of my pokemon are so special to me, especially some of my pokemon from ultra sun. like my nihilego, who i lovingly and very creatively named jellyfish. i really don't want to touch sword/shield again (i might restart my shield savefile though lol) so she's basically just stuck in home for who knows how long. and i...honestly kind of regret trading her to home because of that. if i had kept her within ultra sun, i would've been able to still battle with her. but now she's stuck. because she can't go to scarlet and violet. because the devs are lazy.
sure, i'll admit it, i think the new games are good. good from a gameplay perspective. not from what pokemon are in it. there are so many pokemon that i love that just...aren't in the game. mantine, octillery, grapploct, and of course nihilego (i just realized like all 3 of the pokemon i listed are sea creature based pokemon. i should probably stop playing so much splatoon) are pokemon i'll never be able to transfer.
i'm in a playthrough of pokemon y right now. i love playing older games because i can form memories with these pokemon in one game, and have the joy of seeing them in the newest games once i'm done. but there's some team members that will never make it to scarlet and violet.
kage, my beloved crobat from sun, is stuck. mizuei, my beloved mantine from y who i literally only just caught, is stuck. sure, both of those pokemon are pokemon that are in legends arceus! but is that really the same? i can't battle my friends with those pokemon if they're in legends arceus. i can't have picnics with them if they're in legends arceus.
they're stuck. because they can't go to scarlet and violet. because the devs are lazy.
maybe i'm going insane from writing too many youtube comments and whatever i just wrote makes 0 sense. but basically, to summarize:
i like nihilego, please add it to scarlet and violet
My theory they're limiting what you can catch in every game since home has a National dex it means you have to buy multiple games to complete your nationaldex so yes you can complete it just not in one game and I've been saying it since shield and sword the same thing if they add a battle mechanic in home it will solve the whole competitive argument.
The "Dexit" issue is not an issue. Pokemon fans just like to complain. The best part about it? We no longer need to have a full living national dex to get the shiny charm, we have well balanced games, we have Pokemon Home for the national dex and to be honest I've used pokemon I would normally not have thought about or given a second chance. Sure would I love to use my favs but at the end of the day the cutting of the national dex in every game has not caused any issue for me what so ever.
Yeah I agree I think it was always gonna happen, and I think at swsh they were approaching or at 1000 models of pokemon anyways with all form changes. So it probably made the most sense to stop there, it’s just unrealistic to expect every Pokemon at this point to be in every game.
RIP Furfrou
dexit's impact was so large to this day every time I see or hear masuda's name my automatic first thought is "fuck masuda"
i hate dexit because i have shinies i want to bring up, for example my shiny weedle from lets go is stuck there for idk how long, its so dumb
I think they take 4-5 year before releasing gen 10, also I hope they will make another wave of dlc (I could pay another $30) so we get all 1025 pokemon in one game
i liked the video. im sorry for your comments section
While I really like generation 9, I do think dexit continues the hurt the series going forward. I refused to buy gen 8 and have only ever played it due to a friend I share games with got it anyway. I still can’t decide whether Swsh or XY are the worst main generation games
Pokémon Home is something you only now pay for when you actually want to move Pokémon around, As keeping Pokemon there doesn't really require the sub once they on there
Im still waiting on a pokemon survival mmo with slowly adding on the pocket monsters
i wish it was easier to get my pokemon from pearl to swsh but i dont have a 3ds
well pretty sure there are no 3D models on the switch version to save storage space, I remember back in the day there were a lot of frustrating moments when one of us had to download say an update or two and didn't have enough storage space on our 3DS.
I don't really care about Dexit, it's a shame but I get it. The real issue is the performance of the games and cut content in other ways.
The thing is-- if Gamefreak wasn't just a small handful of stubborn and incompetent game developers and if TPC wasn't so hellbent on rushing out the mainline games to maximize merchandise profitability; keeping the National Dex could be sustainable! What-- do you think Switch cartridges have a small amount of memory space, compared to cartridges from previous consoles?!
These greedy cretins are selling these newer games at triple A prices while the content and quality of the games themselves aren't even on the level of the handheld games.
I don't wanna hear that the highest grossing franchise of all time can't afford to make a game more impressive than Skyrim and GTA 5 *combined*, especially when they've been caught on camera LYING about how they dropped the National Dex to focus on higher quality animations and graphics only for the final product to look and perform like an upscaled 3DS game.
Simple; They don't have enough time. Nintnedo/The Pokemon Company don't give them enough time or resources to make the games as good as they can be.
less pokemon > lower power level > more diverse metagame
No they should ban the broken pokemon and buff the weaker ones
@@GameFreakSucks Yeah, but that takes a ton of time to balance every pokemon, which gamefreak already doesn't have enough of. Like right now it wouldn't have been a problem but it's gonna take more and more time to do as more pokemon, moves, and gimmicks are introduced. They already have half the time of every other Nintendo franchise, at some point balancing everything would just take too much time. It definitely wasn't necessary to do it now though
@@louiepikmin3184 that’s because game freak knows jack shit about balance
I disliked dexit at first, but I don’t really care about it anymore tbh 😂 it doesn’t affect me all the time and when it does it’s honestly just a minor inconvenience 🤷♂️
I still hate it
I mean, this is a controversial take, but I think Dexit was good for VGC. In SWSH, especially, we had a lot more diversity in teams. (I'm talking pre-DLC.)
until we get all of the pokemon i will stick to the 3ds fuck gamefreak
My blood still boils remembering that presentation. Masuda sitting there smiling, almost looking like he could laugh as he announces one of the worst changes implemented in the whole franchise.
I had every intention to skip generation 8 I was not going to buy the game and I didn't but it was gifted to me so I felt obligated to play it I did not like it I only found around five Pokémon I genuinely liked and did not buy the DLC I had already skipped the Let's Go games and directly after this was the Gen 4 remake which I also skipped so if I was not gifted Sword and Shield I would have skipped three Pokemon games in a row and I have a feeling that the franchise would have been dead to me the Legends game and Scarlet and Violet re-invigorated me back to the franchise Sword and Shield almost killed the franchise for me.
Legends Arceus is my favorite entry because every mon is obtainable in-game. Even the mythical pokemon are actually obtainable; no "you need a scratch card containing a single-use Mystery Gift Code from Gamestop during the release window of the mythical mon's respective debut Pokemon movie then a mailman gives it to you and mmmmaybe they'll spam you with a textdump of their really cool lore" bullshit. In Arceus you actually get a cool little side mission showing off their intrigue.
I'm fine with Dexcut. There's a thousand some-odd mons and many of them aren't that good in battle. Even if they're no longer in the games there's still cards and merch of them available. It's certainly going to be annoying when Pokemon Home shuts down in the near future and there'll just be a handful of mons that are just completely unobtainable in a mainline game until Legends ZA comes out. There's still an inaccessible corner of Paldea that I reeeeally hope they just toss those remaining mons in, but who the hell knows what TPC/Game Freak is doing.
But GF and TPC are rolling in money. Investing to add all the mons to the game or at least have some kind of battle simulator in home since people are already paying for it is the absolute bare minimum. They have no excuse if I'll be honest, they already contracted externally for BDSP, this would cost even less but they can't be assed to do it. 1000 entries being too much for smol indie company GameFreak is just not a good excuse or defence at all...
@@alessandrolira4035 I mean, they literally don't have enough time to do all of that. And yeah, they can just contract it out, but eventually it'd take too much time and Call of Duty is a perfect example of how throwing in more and more developers to work on a game doesn't work if they don't have enough time.
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Dude its logical thing to do imagine dexit never existed, people who is playing the first time will not have all the pokemon and having all the pokemon in post game will make the players suffer does not a hard core pokemon player, i'm not hard core pokemon player when i played diamond and pearl i never completed the national dex because it will take your time away just to complete it thats why gamefreak remove it so the player will able to something else and not focus there entire time collecting pokemon in the post game, they care about there player based and afraid of a law suit if one of the player got hospitalize because of pokemon there will be a law suit coming to bite gamefreak ass.
The original 400 roster that SwSh launched with was the very best VGC format that ever existed, and seeing the kind of pokemon they allowed in Scarlet and Violet - it seems like "will exist" also applies.
It may not be intuitive, but the more Pokemon there are, the less valid choices the player has
They should just ban certain Pokémon not remove player’s choice entirely
Textures bro they didn't that is shading while it's work they work on each model that's how the system renders it they are same as the x and y models.
To be honest I’m glad dexit happen. the developers are already stress enough to make a game every year
Why not give the children less stress by not having them need to get mythicals at timed events? Dexit was all take and no give.
@@alphamarigi tbf a lot of old mythical are not time based anymore like all gen 4 and gen 3 ones, mew etc.
Also scarlet show a big give of the dexit like flying mons have a lading animations and are not stuck in the sky anymore. Also all pokemon have real eyes and not stickers like in gen 8 and all mons got a texture change and some like charizard got a model change
@@pato_el_pato5540 only like 6 out what 20? Them keeping their word on a few Pokémon 3 years later doesn't justify dexit. Gamefreak has Creatures to help them out with the models and it's been over a decade since XY they had more than enough time.
@@alphamarigi to me it completely justifies the pokemon scarlet look cool and that I care for, if you don’t I guess to bad my guy there nothing that me or you can do
@@pato_el_pato5540 I'm still screwed over whether the game is good or not.
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Why there is no battle simulator on pokemon home? Answer = Pokemon Go
Fuck Go
Pokémon GO doesn't have battles: they are Quick Time Events, competitions for the fastest thumb of the world. Thinking about it, that type of "battle" is just sad.
@croma3375 My point is that a battle system in pokemon home would take away players from Go
@@croma3375 agreed, GO Sucks
@@Mojaveknight17 I know, was just joking on Pokémon GO. But anyway, the game is all about catching and collecting, why should it receive competition by a battling app? Would this happen, it would mean that many GO users played that disgrace despite all the flaws even though it isn't their genre of game. Which would be masochistic, so I guess that it isn't possible. Plus for the same reason the battle simulator wouldn't fit well into HOME's vibe, which is also about collecting Pokémon, I'd expect a separate software.
It had to happen. There's way too many pokemon to keep making new ones and keeping the old. It wasn't healthy for the competitive scene and it wasn't healthy for the games development. People whine about power creep but also want their old favorites? Do you want something new or to replay the same game for the 500th time? Make a fucking choice.
They already solved this problem without making pokemon inaccessible. It's called ban lists. Legendaries and Mythicals are in the games and banned depending on the format. They've also added "Origin Marks" since gen 6 that designate where a pokemon originates and determines what battle formats their eligible for. Completely removing pokemon was the worst way they could restrict pokemon for the competitive scene.
@@chronoblue418 You're saying that like like the entire competitive community didn't love sword and shield/scarlet and violet's competitive scenes and were dreading for when the old pokemon came back and the old overpowered pokemon just took over the metagame like they always have
@@louiepikmin3184 Whether or not the competitive scene liked how the meta was doesn't mean the way they handled the pokemon exclusion for the competitive scene was good. Where there official ban lists, brackets and modes to separate all those pokemon in a effective way? No? Then again, they chose the worst way to handle this.
Lazy devs
Dexit was such a disaster. I agree that it was inevitable. It would make people unhappy no matter when it released. But doing it at the start of the first mainline hd Pokemon game on the most successful console in years was a terrible choice. I've never been able to reassemble my old team from soon and Moon.
Dexit was the straw that broke the camel's back and really forced people to judge Pokemon games more critically. Pokemon used to be my 2nd favorite series ever, and ever since dexit it's dropped to not even top 10.
Playing Devil's Advocate; if there is one type of game that could contain EVERY single Pokémon now and in the future....
...it would be a live service game. Think about it; they would work on one sole engine, and it would be a single game that they have to maintain. A single competitive format that they could update yearly to match the pace of new releases (though I highly dislike the yearly game cycle); and a single hub to add all the Pokémon regions in.
It's a massive undertaking and there is a clear setback to live service games due to their infamy but genuinely that's what I believe would work.
Screw live service, they should just release a stadium game and/or a game similar to ranch with amie and camp mechanics
Please no, every software that is online dependent is sooner or later be bound to doom. Video games preservation is incompatible with this moneygrabbing model full of patches and updates in its life until someone will decide that it won't continue starting from the next day 'cause it didn't farm enough cash (Mario Kart Tour, is that you?).
@@croma3375 so true
And that is precisely the worst part about the national dex. It's been pseudo dlc since 2003.
Honestly... What are people expecting? There's a LOT of freaking Pokemon now, there's currently over a thousand of them. They can't keep doing this... _Every single game_ having every single Pokemon is kind of a huge ask for such a relatively small development team with a rushed release time. Its not a sustainable option, especially if they want to make _new_ Pokemon as well. It would have only gotten harder and harder with each new release.
But on the other hand, they do reuse the same models from the 3DS games... So what do I know? :/
Soo... No one is keeping Game Freak, Creatures Inc. & friends from recruiting more programmers, managing at least in a decent way their own projects and resources, taking more time to develop main series titles. Well, no one besides themselves, and consequentially TPC. It's the root of all the issues the games have since the jump to 3D, Pokédex cut included. They could "keep doing this", but they don't care a single bit. If their management isn't sustainable it's their fault, not a destiny carved in stone.
If I had a shot for every time someone used the "smol indie company GameFreak, pls no bully" I'd have died of liver cirrhosis by nkw
@@alessandrolira4035 I never said they were a "smol indie company" I said they had a relatively small team... RELATIVELY, as in its way smaller than you would expect for the highest grossing game franchise in the world with a yearly release schedule.
The team isn't small compared to indie teams, but its small compared to the scope of what they are trying to accomplish.
The excuses for why it was done were bad but I don't hate dexit because why would you want them to add a Pokémon 99% of people hate for being ugly. Yeah, sure there's someone out there who would want to have that Pokémon in the game but is it really worth it? If some of my favourite Pokémon weren't in a game I'd probably be like "oh well, at least I like tons of Pokémon and not just 2 super specific ones that will make me send death threats if they're not included."
I never returned to the mainline series when they announced there wouldn't be a national Pokedex.
I cancelled my preorder the same day that the news dropped. The only Pokemon game I played on Switch was New Pokemon Snap.
Same. I ditched the series in favor of Zelda after dexit and the fugly galar fossils. The only pokemon game that I have on my switch is new pokemon snap.
haven't finished a main series game since gen 7, primarily for this reason. i'm a shiny hunter, and i miss getting to actually have my shinies in game without subscriptions. i also miss the old pixel sprites as well, the 3D models still aren't that impressive and the animations don't appeal to me. that being said, the furthest i got was with legends: arceus, a game that's probably the most limited a title has been in terms of pokemon for years. i was fine with it though, because it made sense for the game. if they want to limit the pokemon for story purposes, that's fine. but leaving some behind (so far) permanently feels bad. there is still a chance, however small, that a few pokemon just won't be popular enough to move forward. not being able to guarantee that, and charging money for a subscription service to hold these mons, sucks.
watched a bit further, coincidentally im a newer final fantasy fan. this vid makes a lot of good points overall :)
My take is that it had to happen eventually, they just did it way too early. I think they could've atleast waited until scarlet and violet to cut the dex since I think people would be more understanding with them actually updating the models in that game.
They shouldn’t have cut the dex at all, I could care less if there’s 1000 pokemon
I miss castform
My favorite is Aurorus
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If the games were good or at least of the standard of a game on a GameCube I wouldn't care. But they aren't they don't balance they don't update existing move animations anyways they have no excuse the models are still from x and y or whatever their debut generation was.
honestly i might get hate for this but i personally don't mind them not bringing back some older pokemon, especially since i think a lot of the gen 1-3 pokemon have really outdated (bad) designs and got powercrept hard :( i wish they would buff more pokemon once they bring them back (i know empoleon or shiftry for example got better abilities) or just buff their stats to bring them in line with the newer mons like they did in S/M
oh yeah and i do Not miss the elemental monkeys from unova... they can stay in pokemon home limbo forever idc... justice for my boy minior tho!!!!!
@@cloudbankcityMinior already got back in Scarlet and Violet with the second part of The Treasure of the Area Zero DLC. I love Minior (more than you if you're so unaware) as well as the elemental monkeys, so please shut up, keep your dislikes to yourself.
@@croma3375 idc idc i was just writing down my thoughts. also you're the first person i met who actually likes the elemental monkeys sooo more power to you ig!
For how great natdex sounds conceptually, it's kind of insane when you realize how _little_ the games are designed around it. Practically half the new mons in any given region are focused on overlapping an existing mon.