The 1872 Open Top Colt's First Companion Revolver
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Before Colt chambered the Single Action Army Revolver in the .44-40 cartridge, as a companion to Winchester’s Model 1873 lever action rifle, they tried to do the same thing with the Winchester Model 1866 rifle, which was chambered in .44 Henry Rimfire.
That revolver was the model 1872 Open Top, and it was Colt’s first purpose built revolver for metallic cartridges.
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My father had a old Winchester 25-20. Manufactured in the late 1800s. It was a beautiful gun. It had a half octagon barrel. It was great for small game. It took down a few Ohio deer. It took down a black bear in Tennessee back in the 1950s. It was an awesome gun with a lot of history behind it. When my father died sad to say my half brother stole it. I wish I had this gun to this day I think about it. It was the first rifle I ever shot. I was an 8 year old boy and learned the basics of gun safety from my dad. We lived in Cleveland back in the 70s he used to take it down to the dump and shoot rats. He had just got back from Vietnam and I guess he was just blowing off steam. Back in the riots in the 60s my mom kept the gun by her bed. I vaguely remember this when I was 4 years old and that was back in 1968. Cleveland has always been a dangerous city. I miss that gun but really I just miss my father.
Where in Cleveland did you live. I live there and I’m just kinda curious. You don’t have to say where if you don’t want to
@@husky_studios At the time we lived in the second district.
@@husky_studios why do you ask?
@@BillyJ244just curious. I live in the suburbs south of Cleveland, and everybody has a connection to Cleveland somehow or some way.
@@husky_studios I still live in the area too.
It's so good to see you out in the Den, Mike! Enjoying your history telling muchly!
Yes, seconded, a much prettier background for a fascinating history lesson. ❤👍
My absolute favorite 6 shooter. The working man's revolver for those who couldn't afford a colt single action army.
Glad you're back at Duelist Den. Fun fact the Brazilian Army bought the Winchester 66 as late as 1882 and 1892, in .44 Nagant (aka .44 Henry Centerfire), match the caliber of their Nagant revolvers.
The guards at the wax factory still use those
I was still hearing Evil Roy's chime after you'd poked both of the last to plates.
Hello from Detroit Michigan brother thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise and GOD-BLESS
I enjoy seeing you shooting at the den again, and I always enjoy your knowledge of the history of these grand old arms.
I've always been a fan of the Winchester rifles.
The Henry is one I've wanted to, and to my stable.
20 plus years ago, I had a chance to pick up an original 1873 Winchester and caliber was a surprise to me.
It was 22 rimfire, the bore was terrible it would have required a reline to be able to shoot again, but the exterior didn't have any pitting, and wood was in reasonably good shape (no chips or missing wood) the metal surface was mostly gray and patina.
The price was $700 and I passed on purchasing it.
Hindsight being 20/20 I still think about that rifle and wished I would have bought it.
Hey Mike
Awesome to see you back at the Den making great content.
I don’t know if this is any help to you , I live in Melbourne Australia so it is probably different in the USA
A number of years ago I had a auto repair in the suburbs which was established in the 1960s , long short over the years this area developed into a very up market location and the local authority decided to close me down as they said it was a health risk for for people visiting the local restaurants and coffee shops .
We took the matter to court and won it turned out that any business tha has been established and has operated for more than 5 years cannot be closed down by the council of the day and does not require any council permits to continue operating , Hope this is of some help but I’m sure your legal team would have that covered, all the best for the future Mate, Steve .
Law and order = those who can affford the best lawyer get their way, regardless of the printed law. And the bank = the lawyers always wins.
A very interesting video for all us Western history fans in Britain, I had a Uberti 66 in .22 magnum but it just wasn't like the real thing.
It makes my day when I see you posted!
I was under the impression the open top was strictly a military trials gun that was a failure and 7,000 were made that leaked into the public instead. Anyways, my open top with navy grips in 45 Colt is my favorite single action revolver! Thanks for the information!
you really think colt would just scrap them instead of putting them on the civvie market, these were probably more common than 1873s at one point id imagine
@@HircineDaWolf I don’t believe Colt scrapped them, I know they only made 7,000 of them and they were all sold on the civilian market after the Military rejected it.
Wasn't the main reason they were rejected was because the army wanted a stronger round which required a top strap frame to handle the pressure.
@@tnbass2833 That’s what I heard. I haven’t done the research personally.
The follower dance is commonly known as the "Henry Hop."
I always appreciate the history learned while watching your videos.
You're back at Den?
Congratulations
These videos always cost me $$$. Glad to see you back in the woods. Although I personally put target shooting on hold this time of year... unless the target has horns or feathers...
Enjoyed the firearms history lesson. Loved the fall colors and the sound of the wind trough the trees.
Wow the den is beautiful this time of year. Last year I enjoyed your spooky story about the hollow. Hope you have another story about the den!
Great video as always
I would like to make a request for a future video
A comparison video between the Winchester/ Marlin lever action rifles to the Savage 99
I'll see what I can do.
Gonna be kinda tricky, no? The 99 was chambered in rifle (spitzer) calibers. Winchester and marlin, not so much? The 99 is a hoot to shoot regardless.
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Picked one up recently
Post war EG model (circa 1952)
In .300 savage
Outfitted with Lyman peep sight and a foldable rear sight
Plan on using it this coming rifle season
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CAN YOU PLEASE 🙏 do a video on when firearms first started being nickel plated???
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Although I have many more 1873 Colt replicas, my favorite revolvers are open tops. My Italian repros of an 1860 RM Conversion is good, but my absolute favorite is my 1872 with a 4¾" barrel in .45 Colt.
My first CAS match back in the early 90's was shot with a borrowed rifle, an 1860 Henry repro in .44-40 using BP handloads. That was a great memory.
I got a kick out of the movie "dances with wolves" where Kostner was shooting buffalos with a Henry with the follower all the way down! Funny. Great video!
Good to see you at the den ringing steel..
Been watching a lot of your content for about a year or so. I love seeing the older folks such as yourself talking about these guns without any flashy editing or loud, jarring guitar music. It’s like I’m sitting down and hearing my grandpa drone on about some stories from when he was a young man. Keep up the amazing content, pal.
LOL. Thanks! I'll keep droning on...LOL
Hey Mike, I enjoy F&I/ Rev. War flintlock rifles, but I also love the wild west history, Cowboys era. In recent years I've been looking at black powder cartridge revolvers and lever guns,I really like the looks of the 1866 "yellow boy" and the 1873, I might have to expand into black powder cartridge firearms. Love seeing you back at the Den enjoying your property the way you want to. I know the legalities are not done, but it is a step in the right direction. Keep the videos coming.
Good to see the Den again. 👍 I like the style of the 72 open top, over the closed frame 73. Good video.
Thanks for another great video!
It was interesting to learn that the .44 henry cartridge was popular enough that it was still being manufactured well into the smokeless era. I also liked your tip on a black powder .44 special load that replicates the ballistics of the .44 henry.
There was also a centrefire version
As always Mike, perfect and informative, thank you.👍
Excellent history on some of the most elegant historical firearms ever made--thank you.
I was thinking in the beginning that the 44 special would be about perfect to replicate the henry.
Mike. Rickey Brown here, This will be my 2nd handgun purchase of 2024. I love 44 special and this is a logical choice
I know you're going to like it. It is a sweet gun!
I suggest this channel to all people interested in the true history of firearms and their relevance in our nations history. I always love the way in which you tell the human part of firearm history. Some very ingenious people developed a product just as it was needed. The story of our nation.
Thank You Mike for sharing your knowledge. Greetings from Italy 👋🏼
Winchester made a few 66s in 44Henry centerfire. If I remember correctly there were a few 1873 Colt revolvers made in 44 Henry rimfire and 44 Henry centerline. The original 44 Colt fired a 200 grain healed bullet over 28 grains of black powder. Great videos Mike. Good to see you back at the Den.
Colt made a run of a few thousand SAAs in .44 Rimfire. They did not sell, and eventually Colt converted many of them to .22 Rimfire.
Damn you evil Roy! 🖕🏻 You’re about to catch some lead. ❤
👍 Very good review of the revolver and production history. In my Cowboy Action Shooting days I owned 2 Uberti Open revolvers Tops (w/ sequential serial numbers) and a Uberti 1866 Winchester rifle all 3 in .44 Special and both from Cimarron. Great firearms! 3rd dumbest thing I have done was to sell those firearms when my CAS club disbanded.
I have an Uberti 1860 Henry and an 1866 both in 45LC so I bought a 1872 open top from Cimarron in 45LC. My 1873 CAS rifle is in 38spl/357 I am using SAA Army's. Great video Mike
great video amd history. i have an example of the 1872 in .45 colt from taylors & co. fun to shoot and i do like the lines of the open top 1872 over the 1873.
Hi Mike, glad to see you shooting the seeds of freedom at the Den again! Enjoy the history lesson of these awesome older Western firearms. That's for all your hard work and time Sir!🤠🇺🇲
I think for Modern shooters the Open Tops are still great options for those of us who want to shoot a lot of Black Powder. Their arbors have grease grooves and the lack of a top strap lets BP fouling vent away. Also they easily tear down making for quick cleaning in hot water! Great video Mike and good to see you back on YOUR land!
Great video Mike! You have a wonderful combo there in 44 Special😉 I truely appreciate your love for history and the research you have done and shared and continue too produce. Peace be with you and yours and Good Luck to the future! 👌🖖✌
Good to see you back at Duelist Den! Great video
In the early 2000s I was hanging out with my cousin and he asked if I wanted to see his dad's gun. Of course I said yes. In his dad's sock drawer was a beautiful 1872 open top, loaded with empty .44 special cases. No clue what happened to it sadly.
I got one of those. Mine is in 44 colt centerfire. The originals were 44 rimfire, so I got the centerfire to be close to the originals. Its very pleasant shooting. I use Trail boss powder to help fill the case . The brass, 44 colt centerfire, is made by Starline.
Truly appreciate your explanation of gun metal and bronze on the Winchester. Tired of the “brass” misnomer
Good to know someone shoots the .44 special, as a modern analog for the .44 Henry round!
Good video.. Welcome back to Duellist den
Beautiful firearms, such a fascinating time in history
I know of a family in Montana who used an original Henry to hunt deer until the early 1960’s, when they finally used the last of their rimfire ammo. They replaced the Henry with an 1894 Winchester in .30-30…
Another fascinating video, Mike, thank you. You recent videos have really shown the value of matching your revolver with your rifle/carbine.
nice seeing you shooting on your land(Duelist den ) never get enough history on guns and the makers great stuff.thank you 🤠
Im happy to see this video come along as the open tops and the 66 are my favorite companion guns that I own.
Thanks Mike!
So happy and glad to see you back at Dullest Dean. Great video, thank you.
(Mike C) What a coincidence! I just picked up a Cimarron 1872 open top army today, in 44 spl, from my local dealer. Came home with it and saw this video. I also have a Uberti S&W model 3 Russian in 44 spl (even though it says 44 Russian on the pistol). I had come to the same conclusion, that a modern 44 Special cartridge case should hold a similar charge of black powder as the old (balloon head) 44 Russian or 44 Henry rimfire cartridge cases. Now I need that model 1866 in 44 special! Thanks for this very informative information.
I'm sure they kept making them until 98 because .44 rimfire was so available and at the time dominated the ammo market. Probably had some parts interchange with the 73 too so manufacturing wasn't too much of a burden. Beautiful video love the open tops.
Very happy to see you back at Duelist’s Den. I have enjoyed watching your videos over the years. Thanks 😊
Great video, Mike. But, wasn't the peacemaker chambered for the winchester .44 wcf cartridge, as was the 1873 winchester? Of interest, is the fact that the very first peacemaker, serial# 1, was chambered in .44 s&w.
I think 1878 is when the Peacemaker was made in 44-40, I also think the first ones had issues with setback of the cases.
The .44 Rimfire SAAs did not sell. Only a few thousand were made, and Colt ended up re-building them as .22 Rimfire guns.
@@billy56081 actually it was 1877 when the colt peacemaker was first available in 44-40.
Like I said I think, I knew it was somewhere in there. I know a lot of people assumed it was there in 1873.@@Mbartel500
Nicely done and enjoyed. I did not know of Colts early attempt at a companion revolver for the most popular rifle of that time. Wishing continues good fortune with your Duelist Den woes.
Thanks Mike. Another great video full of interesting historical information. Doubly so coming from Duelist's Den.
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Makes my day. Thank you
Thanks. Great history lesson.
And again I have to use that old but very appropriate comment of 'Another GREAT video, Mike'. I do enjoy the history involved with the guns and in this case the why of the gun. And thank you for in in site on who makes the repops and where to get them. I too, would get the 44 spl as I think that would be the true descendant of the 44 rim fire. I always seem to pick up a new bit of knowledge from your videos and this one corrected my erroneous thought that the Henry and Model 66 were brass. Thank you. Please keep up the great work educating us on the history, use and availability of these beautiful guns.
Thank you.
Good information on the 44 Special and thank you. Get better soon Mike !!!
I have the Uberti 1873 in 44 spl and had to order it. Love that round. I load mine with 250 grain cast and coated bullets at 800-850 fps (depending on barrel length) which makes it about the same as a 45 Colt or 45 acp round. I believe it is more accurate than either of those rounds plus it has a bit more meat left in the cylinder.
Maybe they kept producing the 1866 due to the European market? I think it was the Ottomans who bought them the most along with Smith & Wesson top breaks in 44 Henry.
Thanks Mike. Glad you are back home.
Thanks! Me too.
Great video Mike, I never even knew there was an 1872 open top. You are quite the teacher. It's a shame we don't have more history teachers like you in this country, you would make learning fun. Good to see you back at the den too. I'm sure it's easier on you.
A little more relaxing.
Another great video... And in the "den" too. A very interesting piece of history... I love it. Keep it comin'🙂
Thanks!
Good to see you back at Duelist Den Mike. Appreciate the history on the firearms.I would like to have these oin my collection.David Back.
I have been on the fence about purchasing an Open Top for several years now. Your video has inspired me to “pull the trigger”. Your videos are excellent and always provide great historical information. Thank you!
Thanks Mike I have learned much from you
Good stuff, made even better by being at Duelist’s Den!
Thanks!
You were making music there Mike!
Woah, cowboy, that was a great video! I have never heard of either of those guns before now. That open top looks like a new improved 3rd model Dragoon.
Great video Mike, thanks for the time and effort you put into these videos!
A certain amount of the 2nd model S&W American's were chambered in .44 Henry, and I'm pretty sure they even chambered some Colt 1873's in it as well.
i feel the same about the 44 spl chambered model 66 repro's but ive never been able to aquire one down under ,,that chambering is like rockin horse shiite down here , cheers big ears good to see you back at the den
Thanks!
Great job with this video. This is something I've always been interested in.
Cheers !!
Thoroughly enjoyable Mike, as always a quality production 👍
Back at Duelist Den!!!! great vid Mike.
I'd love to see a video on the 1851 Navy, and a 36 caliber cap & ball companion rifle for it.
Man oh man - the sound of that Henry firing at about 11:30 is just flat out cool!
Nice video
Another excellent lecture Dr. Mike.
Great to see you back Mike looking forward to more videos
Good to see you back at the Den, Mike!
A video Well worth a like and a comment. Watching your video makes us all in a good mood. Keep up the good work!!!
That is a fine looking revolver.
Really appreciate the history lesson on these great classic weapons. Take care of yourself.
Good Work Mike - The Den 's looking GOOD in it's Autumn Colours eh.
I like your shooting and the history you tell. Thanks
It is good to see you back in the den!!! Loved the videos!!!😂
Very good! Thanks for sharing.
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I enjoy your history! I I enjoy every part of your shows!
Thank You!
Great to see back at the Den Mike!
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Good morning brother from Syracuse NY and thank you
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Hi my friend how are you doing today my friend?
Always enjoy your presentations, Mike!
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Glad to see you back at the Den, great video also. Keep them coming...
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Exit video keep them coming and thank you for all the hard work.
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Loved this video, thanks! when I first started getting guns I settled on .357 magnum as I can reload for 1 cartridge and shoot them in long and short guns. I've since added 350 legend for a minimal disruption to my logistics.