Reacting to How Joel Embiid STOLE Jokic’s MVP
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It’s like the whole league was under a spell the last month of the year then right after the 76ers lost everyone woke up.
idk if ur new to the nba but narrative mvps have been a thing for a while, you really think derrick rose was better than lebron james in 2012? steve nash in 2006 better than kobe?
It’s what happens when the media controls so much of how people vote. I’ve heard people say that Perkins’s racism comments didn’t hold weight, but they do hold weight when the only votes that matter are media members. When your friend and coworker is saying something, you gotta back him up. The fact that Jokić got left off an MVP ballot says it all to me.
@@aquatazerFAX. I truly believe that KP’s comments about race was the deciding factor of the race. Once those comments came about, Embiid was the favorite to win, and never went back. Jokic is the REAL mvp
@@littyagain94022006 was debatable but 2012 was ridiculous
All you gotta say is Kendrick Perkins. He's the one who robbed Jokic of the MVP.
Greatest gift given to Joker was additional motivation given by taking something he doesn't care about! It's how they did it that made a laid-back Jokic into a killer that he became in the post season where he destroyed his opponents by lifting his team and himself to become the undisputed world champion!
idk bout that argument cause he ain’t even care about winning the chip either 😂
@@whoisthis4 this a weird narrative thats also been pushed its so obvious by how he acts on the court that he cares about winning
@whoisthis4 not for himself, but for his friends who are his teammates! You probably don't understand the level of humility that this man has!
Messi is like that, winning for the team, not self promoting! That's the privilege of being a genius, you suppress your ego,because you can see the big picture! Not you definitely, but Jokic, Messi and few others! You hear few words and conclude from the lowest denominator that not liking your job means not liking the game! NBA is a job with lots of other things not related to playing basketball, things like contractual obligations, dress code etc. to which he was referring to, but dude who grew up in a basketball family, doesn't like the game, just like that!?
U hype up his playoff run and his championship as if he didn’t play 2 shitty 8 seeds and a 7 seed💀🤣🤦♂️
@@whoisthis4he very clearly cared. Dude was passionate af on the court and on the bench. He cares deeply about team accomplishments and winning. He truly don't gaf about individual accomplishments tho, like mvp and fmvp. Most dudes PR teams tell them to say the same things as Jok, but you can tell his is genuine
Embiid being second best center behind Jokic isnt that bad
he'd be great on miami
Its like Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, DRob etc all being in the same league lmao
@@hughmann7485no he would not!! Jimmy Butler would be on his ass for choking in the playoffs and not giving his all.
@@CliqueClips exactly lol
@@GodF-1st he would dominate in miami
Thank you I've been asking these questions about embiid and the fact that now you're gonna have people say it's a regular season award then why the heck do so called media kept talking about jokic post season success
It’s pretty simple why Embiid Won the MVP over Jokic last season. The Perkins “it’s racist to choose Jokic” shit lit the fire, some of the play during that time just accelerated it, the fact that is would be 3 in a row for Jokic got many idiots in the media talking about that you need to be one of the best players of all time in order to win 3 in a row (as if the state of the league/MVP race at the time means nothing) and Embiid being so brazen as to bitch and complain about EVERYTHING just solidified it.
it still makes no sense talking about how people were talking about "jokic has no postseason success, why should we give him the mvp" and proceed to give it to 2nd round exit man
Literally just Voter Fatigue and Storyline. A third straight MVP will always be one of the hardest things to win because of it.
Love the reactions. Need more of them
Crazy how the last 3 champions all went into the playoffs struggling. Nuggets defense was ass, Curry was out for GS and they lost like 7/14 and the bucks were up and down in 2021. It’s all a trick towards the other teams
Biggest different for me, is that embiid fights for his case to the media while jokic chills at his farm and the fans fight for him
Question how did the nuggets win more games than the bucks in 2021 without murray for most of the season and mpj
In the 20-21 season Giannis missed 11 of the 72 games, Murray didn't get hurt until about the final quarter of the season and MPJ played the majority of the season(though he got unknowingly injured sometime before the playoffs and still played). 21-22 is when Murray and MPJ were out most of the season.
Nuggets are always good when healthy despite usually having slow starts. The last 5 years they are 2 or 3 in regular season wins, and have been a top 3 seed in 4 of those years. People try to make a big deal about being a 6th seed last year, but the West was stacked with teams with great records and their record from last year would've got them no.3 seed this year. The difference between Nuggets and Bucks in 20-21 should have been bigger but Milwaukee was still able to win when they were missing Giannis.
All you gotta say is Kendrick Perkins. He's the one who robbed Jokic of the MVP.
@@ranchosdelnorte 20-21 mpj missed 11 games and murray missed 24
@@KobeBryantfa Yea, close to what I said. You said they were without them most of the season, but they actually played most of the season. It's not like 21-22 where they got 9 games between them(all from MPJ)
@@KobeBryantfa answered your own question then
I could watch video's with u for hours big dawg
Joel should have won the MVP in the 2021-22 and Jokic should have won in 2022-23.
That's what I'm telling people
Nah it should’ve been Jokic three times in a row
funny how the two 40 point harden games is talked about but not the 3 absolutely horrible performances between em lmao
Because people are more shocked that 2023 Harden can score 40 than seeing playoff Harden stink.
@@navonmyhand7999as a rockets fan, it’s this. No one’s surprised when he plays poorly in the playoffs anymore, but they’re def shocked when there’s a flash of mvp harden again, that’s what shocks people
Clique can you put a link to the original video?
I wish he 3-peated an mvp that would be unheard of
Larry bird 3peated, but it would be crazy
@@drodrig1 oh I didn't know that cool!
KG ran the point in the postseason for Minnesota during his mvp season.
im always gonna die on the hill that drose won mvp RIGHTFULLY
MVP of playoff eliminations.
Put the link of the video in the description.
pretty sure dylandoesbasketball is a sixers fan so big of him to make that video lol
They did the same thing to otani last year. So yesterday shohei tossed a SHUTOUT AND THEN HIT TWO HOME RUNS IN THE NIGHT CAP
Poor clique having to deal with twitch chat 😂
Bring the pod w dom back!!!!
Ive been out of touch with basketball for a few years just wondering from ur personal opinion what rookies this year should I keep a eye out for?
I'd say watch for scoot Henderson. He is nasty
Wembanyama definitely, also i’d say to keep an eye on Anthony Black, Jarace Walker, the Thompson twins and Gradey Dick. Especially Anthony Black is so underappreciated.
@@thedrinkerofH2O lol dick
@@thedrinkerofH2O you said funny word
@@ello3427 lol what are you talking about dick is his surname
Just glad Jokic got the biggest prize of all in the end 🤷
Checked out in the first 30 seconds when he said NBAs chaotic MVP race is unparalleled he’s just never followed baseball
swap places, and Embiid would at best can lead the nuggets to 5-6 seed max
Well duh. The Nuggets roster is built around Jokic's skill set. Not Embiid's.
We know jokic is the real mvp
I see Jamal Murray as the next Klay Thompson in a way. If he stays healthy, you know exactly what you're gonna get from him and he can step up anytime it's needed.
Blicky
James Harden’s TEAM beat Russell Westbrook be accurate dude the Rockets, had a way better supporting cast compared to the thunders
Cliques bias for harden is insane gock. 1st it's not just that Russ avg a triple double it's that he got 42 triple doubles in 1 season, also bring up the "harden only about 2 less reb" well russ avg 2 more points 2 more reb and 1 less ast. The rockets were clearly I better roster with a better coach and system that is built to give the PG inflated stats. When they played in the 1st round u wanna act again as if the rockets weren't a better team and harden just cooked russ for 5 games when that wasn't the case at all. Also u bring up "hardens the one going to CF" bruh he went to the WCF ONE TIME and need a top 5 PG chris paul to do it. Russ deserved the MVP in 2017 over Harden
he went to the conference finals in 2015 as well you casual. at least know a lil nba history before you talk and this is coming from a guy who thinks harden is massively overrated.
@@ozzee5094 I was definitely talking about during the MVP race and after dumbass, cuz if we counting before that yr Russ was in the WCF in 2014 and 2016 so idk why bringing up Harden in 2015 is relevant
facts
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Dylandoesbasketball is fr amazing
I got in an argument with a friend who thought i didn’t think Jokic deserved the MVP’s and couldn’t grasp that i appreciated he should have won and agreed he was the most valuable player, i just didn’t like watching him play. Dude couldn’t understand how i could feel that way without thinking the guy sucked. I think Jokic is better than Embiid, but i like watching Joel more. And it broke my friends brain.
correct as what now Clique
His nickname is the 🦆.
Joel 🦆 Embid
You didn't know that they shortened the season?
I don't care either way but if you're an unbiased observer, Jokic should be the 4th player in NBA history to win the MVP 3 times in a row. It is what it is. Nowadays, the MVP has become a scoring title and it's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be who has the biggest impact on their team winning.
Yk there hasn't been a center to win the scoring title since shaq right while also being a better defender than jokic also joel deserved it and deserved the year before also so tf are you saying
@@sob_meen that's the problem. People who don't know basketball only look at scoring. But since you're just a troll anyway there's no point trying to explain anything to you.
It’s a regular season award. Embiid had an incredible regular season and the Nuggets took their foot off the gas late. Didn’t help that Embiid shelled him in Philly
exactly!
Embiid’s regular season was entirely based on FT’s and having a former MVP on his team to pass him the ball. Similar idea to John Stockton and Karl Malone on the Jazz. Embiid takes a million shots and 13 FT’s a game in the regular season because he’s only an iso player and Harden passes him the ball. It ain’t a coincidence Harden led the league in Assists.
If anyone legitimately thinks Embiid had a better regular season than Jokić, they’re delusional. Jokić is clearly the better player, and Embiid hasn’t played in Denver since 2019. He’s ducked him consistently and “been injured” for about a fourth of every season. Crazy stuff.
@@aquatazer I guess most of the nba community was delusional when so many fans had embiid as mvp
@@mikenike7315 yes, they are delusional. Most NBA fans don’t watch games, especially not Nuggets games. They listen to talking heads, the media, and watch TikToks for their opinions without researching it. It ain’t a coincidence Embiid gets dumpstered every time he faces somewhat real competition in the playoffs, even though this year the Celtics tried their absolute best to hand that series to the Sixers on a silver platter. If you look at any stats, or watch any games and how they play out, Jokić is the best and Most Valuable Player in the league.
@@aquatazer the playoffs argument is irrelevant since the MVP doesn't cover the playoffs, or the previous year's playoffs, or any playoffs. it's simply about that year's regular season.
5:58 yeah harden went on to the second round, but in the first round Russell Westbrook outplayed James harden in literally every single statistically way, including plus minus. The reason the thunder lost is because when Russ would leave the floor his teams plus minus took a nose dive, harden didn’t have this issue as he actually had a somewhat mediocre squad around him
I know it’s hard to believe but sometimes the sport is a team game you can have the best player in the world and still lose faced up against a better team
D Rose got a Vote cause he dropped his Career High
These " professionals" on TV are extremely unknowledgeable for sure. No wonder half of them lost their jobs. The sad thing is, there's still a couple still there smfh.
very similar to talent level. No sir i'm gonna have to check you on that. This season proved they're not on the same level.
Let's be Giannis tho
No way bro, that year Westbrook had 100. He averaged a triple double, but I didn't realize how great Hradens stats were though. But Westbrook had a terrible team that year.
W take from my man clique harden better🗣
Saying it right now LeBron winning MVP next season
I'm a lebron guy but I wish he was lmao.
If he does he'll proll average 27.8 pts, 7.6 rbs, 8.5 ast on 52% from the field with 1.3 stl and 0.9 blks
LOL yep they pretend to be blind not seeing the number
I just watched this today too haha.
Gtfoh embiid deserved it last year and this year
Jokić is so clearly the better player in all areas of the floor (minus specifically rim protection, but even then Jokić was a good defender in this postseason compared to Embiid getting destroyed by every team he played against) and both in the regular and postseason. It’ll be really funny hearing the Embiid stans brag about an MVP for the rest of his career he didn’t earn while Jokić (and even Giannis) will win more MVPs and probably rings until they retire.
Embiid should've won 2 seasons ago but he got injured so its fine he gets one now
Sorry but your wrong,the only stats that embid better than jokic is ppg.Every other stats joker better especially advance stats
@@mrp4730 And his PPG is clearly inflated too since he clearly couldn't score in the postseason if his life depended on it.
@@snakeplissken7671embid plays in post season????
@@hughmann7485 He does. At least until the 2nd round. 🤣
@@hughmann7485 Allegedly.
Disrepectful to say Embiid is better than Dwight Howard.
embiid plays 49 games and sixers fans really found a way to say thats a valid case over jokic who not only played nearly 30 more games, but also produced at an mvp level 💀
This is the worst attempt to troll I've ever seen, Embiid played 66 games LMFAO
embiid played more games than jokic this season lmao. The nuggets took the last month of the regular season off. Like remember when they had all their starters and lost to houston. Jokic is definitely a better player tho
@@bryce354 nah I was commenting on a particular thing. you misconstrued something.
@@bryce354 I was talking about a previous year. this last season embiid played more games obviously but jokic has always been the better player.
@@bryce354 I think it's an absolute joke that a huge part of embiids mvp case was that jokic didn't have playoff success. it's a regular season award and it's not as though embiid accomplished more in the playoffs. in fact, embiid is the only mvp in history to not make a conference finals. postseason success, regular season success, all favors jokic greatly.
"stole" lol
I feel he definitely earned it, but it doesn't change the fact it felt like a "Here bro, damn..." MVP.
And I'm a Sixers fan.
Argument for Embiid: Points, blocks . . . that's it
Argument for Jokic: Rebounds, assist, steals, games played, shooting efficiencies, PER, lower usage rate, triple doubles, double doubles, any advanced stat that exist
So, please explain how Embiid earned it, and that it wasn't just about not giving Jokic 3 in a row?
(before you say defense, Embiid's defensive rating was only 1pt better than Jokic's)
Embid is the affirmative action MVP. We all know who the real MVP is.
Pity MVP, for shame. 🤦🏿♂️
Is he most valuable player in his team and NBA I think no,Joeal doing selfish thing Jokic can put 50 points any day but if don't assist if only he shoothing like Embid so is he most valuable player and what matter 50 points if your team loose?
Let's be real here, the NBA MVP is ALWAYS based on vibes. I'm one of the biggest D Rose fans but realistically speaking he shouldn't have won that MVP and theres a good list of names along side his that prove this but D Rose and those other names all FELT like the MVP and we all just kinda went with it cuz we felt it too. This one though? This one wasn't it. Embiid not only didn't deserve the MVP, he also just didn't feel like one. This started as Lukas year and finished as Jokics year. Then the media came in and changed the narrative and now here we are. Following the NBA gets so tiring because of stuff like this, it feels like nothing matters and its all just politics at the end of the day.
Edit: Go watch JxmyHighrollers video about MVPs who won it when they probably didn't deserve it if you doubt me on that one
Nah. I’m not the biggest rose fan but he played 81 games and averaged 25 & 7 on a 62 win team. Classic best player on the best team case.
I still don't get why people still think D Rose shouldn't have got it. It's not like he had another player on the team that was just as good as him like Bron did with Wade. You could even argue Wade is the most valuable player of that team alone and had a solid case for MVP himself.
@@ranchosdelnorte I mean that does count for a story line, a better record with a worse team despite having worse stats than lebron
@@rwholemilkisgood5050 There wasn't a huge difference in their stats though.
If you were to swap their teams and their numbers, Lebron with slight lower stats on the Bulls with a better record would win, only no one would complain about it. The only reason it's seen as controversial with Rose is because so many people in this era want to find any way to elevate Lebron to GOAT status, winning 3 in a row would've been one of them because it's something MJ didn't achieve.
@@ranchosdelnorte I mean tbh I fw d rose so I wouldn’t argue against the mvp, but the storyline of d rose being the protagonist of the nba def helped his mvp case, I mean I don’t think people would argue that lebron wasn’t a better player that year, but d rose had the narrative and the record to go along with his flashy game
Joel is better defensively
Not in the playoffs.
@pfwag The MVP is a regular season reward and yes Embiid is better defensively in the playoffs
His defense is overrated. Guards and wings are more important defenders in todays league.
@@moonwalde7926 if anything it's just right
Agreed with most of the vid, but gotta disagree with James harden MVP over Westbrook, and this is coming from a rockets fan
I would disagree with Russell Westbrook MVP over Harden
There is reason to dislike embiid lmao. He’s always been too much of a trash talker and flopper
Jokic stole Embiid’s MVP last year. So it’s fair.
Rose getting a first place vote in the 2020s just invalidated the MVP more than it already was.
He’s better. End quite. What a great fucking argument clique. Top tier argument! Stop it. If you’re gonna claim something as such. Present an argument.
2nd
You spend 90% of this video talking about their postseasons for a regular season award because you dont even watch the regular season. You play 2k over watching actual ball
FIRST
Joel Embiid deserved this MVP. He didn't steal anything.
You are correct Embiid didn’t steal it…..he robbed Jokic of that MVP…and Perkins was an accomplice to that robbery 💯
@macman2141 No he didn't. He won the MVP same way Joker won his the year before
Embiid might be the least deserved MVP I’ve ever experienced. I can remember years where it was good cases and I didn’t like the result. But Embiids and Westbrooks are the most laughable “let’s not give it to the other guy” MVPs of all time. Anybody disagreeing just trying to be diplomatic. 2017 and 2023 are the least diplomatic MVPs ever.
I've never seen someone avg 30 and 10 with great defense and people say he didn't "deserve MVP" people just like to hate embiid for no reason
Embiid isn't top 5 until he can get past the 2nd round. He ain't better than Giannis, Curry, Luka, Tatum, Joker, or Jimmy Butler (hot take but f*ck it)
Jokić is the greatest passer at his position, Embiid isn’t the greatest at any skill within his position
He got the best crossover. That's nice I guess
Scoring? Name a center that better at scoring CURRENTLY
I wanted to watch your reaction, but the pauses, and interaction with your chat made it unwatchable.
Listen, both of them deserved it, maybe Jokic a tad more, but its a regular season award. Due to the Nuggets winning a chip, everyone says Jokic deserved it more, but that's hindsight.
With all that being said, if MJ, Shaq, LeBron, and Kobe didn't win 3 in a row, neither should Jokic, I'm sorry. Yes its voter fatigue, but thats the way its always been, so just keep it going.
There are so many great football players who deserved ballon d'ors, but never won it because of the constant dick sucking for Messi and Ronaldo. Its nice seeing someone else win it once in a while. Giannis and Jokic clearly didn't give a f**k about the MVP anymore, glad Joel got it. Sympathy? Sure.
Except for avg points scored and blocks, the Joker dominated in every other statistical category.
@@pfwagexactly
Jesus Christ loves you
Cliques gotta be Joel’s biggest hater
All you gotta say is Kendrick Perkins. He's the one who robbed Jokic of the MVP.
It’s funny cuz the knicks might trade for him in the future
@@reggaefan2700 Everyone who jumped on the racist bandwagon with him is just as guilty.
joel alright, hopefully he makes it out of the 2nd round before he retires
U just one of them people that doesn’t listen.
So did Jokic steal the mvp when his team was the 6th seed and scored less ppg than Joel? Stupid argument
Yes. He did steal the MVP from Giannis not Joel.
Everything clique says is retarded
People still crying "6th seed, 6th seed", there was only a 3 game difference in their team records with Jokic actually having a better individual winning percentage than Embiid or Giannis. Only reason Bucks and Sixers had a better record is because they were able to still win without their superstars while Nuggets were a miserable 2-8 without Jokic.
Embiid and his defenders only have points as their argument and nothing else. Jokic had the highest PER in history plus first ever 2,000pt 1,000rb 500ast season along with 100stl. Jokic even had a better defensive rating than Joel and Giannis last year.
Yeah embidd won it fair and square but ya'll wanna just lie about it
Yea. People like to change the narrative but as it happened live, Embiid was the right choice. Jokic and Denver stopped caring about the reg season for like the last 3-4 weeks meanwhile Embiid was dropping 56 on Boston a week before the season ended.
@@theprocessssAnd Jokic still had a better season
@@theprocessss 1 month doesn't outweigh a whole season, especially when it's during a period when teams that already locked a playoff spot are preparing for the postseason and teams eliminated from the playoffs are trying to lose for better draft position.
Embiid's only argument is points, which he got through tons of free throws and having one of the highest usage rates.
Meanwhile, there way more arguments against him even before you compare him to Joker.
Such as: Missed a ton of games, plays with a former MVP, didn't play in Denver for 4th straight year, and his team actually has a better winning percentage without him. Plus it's not like Embiid didn't have bad stretches of his own during the season.
The narrative never got changed, Jokic was seen as the better player with the better season but it was clear they didn't want to give Jokic 3 in a row because of who had and hadn't achieved that in the past.
@@ranchosdelnorte don’t wanna read that. You win 🥇
@@ranchosdelnorte I was just going to say those morons won't even read your post. Then I saw they replied admitting they won't.
You are of course correct, but they will never concede on any point.
Emiid did not deserve the MVP in any of the last 3 seasons, though he should have been in the running this season imo. Everything about his play besides blocks was worse than Jokic's imo, and I am including scoring.
Too many braindead fans can't process what they're seeing besides seeing the ball go into the basket. So PPG to them will always be the be-all, end-all. Like how they think Iverson was an amazing scorer. . .when he averaged like 40% FG% which is ass. He just shot way more than everyone else and it cost his team TONS of games, which is why he and almost every other high PPG/low FG% players never have good records and always tank in the playoffs.
Embiid is overrated as hell. Always was. With how pissy his attitude is I doubt he will ever even come close to winning a championship as a main guy.
In fact, I would bet money that injury prone clown will never play a full season at any point in his career either. He literally averages less than 44 games played per season for his career since he was drafted. Only 56 if you exclude the first two seasons of his career where he literally played zero games of the 164 possible.
At this point, putting Embiid over Jokic is either racism, xenophobia or stupidity. Which one y’all wanna cop to?
O brother