I’m glad you guys are having fun playing military but at some point you’re gonna have to get down to business and uphold that oath you know before we lose everything. How many millions of you are out there? And you’re still sitting on your ass?
I think he's inferring a CAR-15, which makes Travis' disagreement funnier since I think his service time would be behind a 14.5. Both guy's bias on display lol
If you see the full clip they where running 77gr otm with the wrong twist rate barrel so the rifles where about 7 moa so they couldn’t put the rounds where they wanted to
Agreed. I think what he meant to say was that stopping power is almost nil past 250 yards for 556. Whereas .30 cal still drops em well past that distance.
Hes on the right track. Kennedy once said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask instead what you can do for your country". I always thought that was just idealistic flim flam for the longest time, but the more I look at it, the more you start to see how vitally important that is. Weve had a string of really bad leaders over the past 60 years. Nixon shattered our trust. Reagan sold us out. Bush Senior and Clinton wet noodled their way through vital foreign policies. Bush Junior and Cheney landed us in a 20 year war. This along with no small amount of political foolery... The internet in particular brought alot of this into the light and then inundated people with rhetoric without perspective or reference. As a result we have several whole generations that were born skeptics, and lost faith in that system, if they ever had it at all. They work too hard, and make too little, and see Billionaires laughing their way to the bank after selling another 100,000 employees down the river. They watch "Republicans" and "Democrats" in the highest and most important offices of this country scheming and slithering and bickering like 8 year olds...and the media brings it all into glaring focus. Its hard to engender faith in a system like that, even harder to escape demonization of said system by a select and sometimes vocal few. On the other hand, Americans now live with a level of convenience never before experienced in human history. We don't even have to get our fat asses off the couch to get groceries anymore, someone will bring them right to your door. This convenience this...complacency, coupled with this detachment from the system that provides this level of prosperity(even masked as it is under a veil of cynicism and naysay), has created a very "me" atmosphere. Its about what benefits "me". "Why should I serve? what do I get out of it?", "Why should I do that? it doesn't benefit me", "Why bother? Its a waste of my time, there's nothing in it for *me*". Exactly as you said, we should be putting good, selfless people into the system. Our politicians and leaders are drawn FROM the population. if you have ignorant, selfish, self centered citizens, your'e going to have ignorant, selfish, self centered leaders. More people need to be willing to give back. Not because "Free college" or because you get discounts at every store known to man and get called a hero by everyone and their grandmother(even if you were a POG that sat behind a desk and did the absolute bare minimum), but because you benefited from this system. You grew fat off this system. You're spoiled by this system. Do SOMETHING to give back. doesn't have to be military. join the peace corps. Do search and rescue. Become a volunteer firefighter. Be a tribal advocate. Do something for others, and for the betterment of America as a people and as a nation.
I think Switzerlands culture is based on the fact that they're a more homogeneous society whereas the US culture is not so much, especially now. I think the "American" culture has been severely diluted by immigrants less willing to assimilate than in the past.
Assimilate? Sounds like a supremacist attitude to me. Why should they learn English when America has according to the Constitution no official language?
Swiss here (gun owning).... Hard disagree. The US has about 15% foreigners most of which are conservative catholic Mexicans. Switzerland has 25% foreigners, many of which are Europeans but you'd be surprised of just how different they are culturally. So while the US is more diverse in places (say Queens NYC or LA) that certainly doesn't hold true overall. Switzerland together with Australia have the highest immigration rate in the western world excluding micro states. Don't be deceived by melanin levels in the population, Switzerland is very diverse. Also, we're a conscription country so most men have served in the army, meaning they got to shoot everything from assault rifles to rocket launchers or throwing grenades and riding in IFVs and whatnot - for free. So that's out of many guys system early on. Also, repetition courses every year until your 30s so you get the real experience quite frequently. Civilian gun culture in Switzerland is very sport shooting oriented though. Shooting at man shaped targets is illegal, as is anything "tactical". So while we have lots of guns generally, running around in camo and plate carriers and shooting tactically simply doesn't exist, in fact it's illegal. Also, there's no castle laws, meaning shooting an unarmed intruder will get you 20 years. Concealed carry is virtually impossible in all but a select few circumstances. So we simply don't have a militaristic gun culture unlike the US where every Joe Schmo LARPs as a SOF guy in his free time. You'd get kicked out of any range or club and it'd get you on a terrorist watch list real quick. I mean it's a wildly different gun culture here. As to crime... That has more to do with social policies, poverty and mental health. Having a prosperous society is the best way to have a safe society, I don't think it correlates with gun ownership rates at all.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 Thanks for the clarification. How about the assimilation aspect. Do your "diverse" population have the hyphenated citizenry (African-Swiss, German-Swiss, Italian-Swiss) like we have in the US (African-American, Mexican-American, et. al)? Or does your population consider themselves "Swiss"? I also think our total numbers relative to yours plays a part. While the ratios may be different, the larger numbers have an effect. Here, even a small percentage minority can make a big noise. But that's just me.😑
@@johnhunt9674how would less government make things better? You tiny brained conservatives always say less government is better but the politicians you elect always do the opposite and expand big government but it's never programs that help anybody. It's usually stuff like spying and spending.
@@johnhunt9674 how is less government better. You smoothed brained preservatives always blather about how small our government is better but you never explain why it's better.
Shooting bolt actions, lever actions and revolvers. Now, Everyone wants a machine gun, silencer and a de facto short rifle. This onsession with high volume firepower is wasting a lot of ammo and driving prices up. Also people stocking up on ammo that theyll probably never shoot all of it. I remember when a 50 round box of 22 ammo would last a long time with a lot of dead squirrels from that one box. There is no more hunting like it used to be. I remember when almost any farmer would let me hunt varmints on their land or hunt squirrels. Now you have to lease to get access. Nearest wma is 20 miles. Guess it could be worse.
This country wasn’t founded on your religion, it was founded on the freedom of speech which happens to include your right to participate your religion but it didn’t give you the right to legislate and force others to participate directly or indirectly. Much like my right to swing my hands ends at your nose your right to practice your religion ends at my right to reproductive healthcare.
Lots of people are focused on "my rights!". It seems like they often forget that their rights are completely linked with their responsibilities. You must be Accountable if you want to have Freedom.
Thank you for stating that. It needed to be said. Is it that Swiss have more of a sense of duty or that they are more willing to obey where an American would not? Or am I looking at this from the wrong perspective?
@@infogunvault6920yeah, I'd say neither. Switzerland is a relatively prosperous country with a good social safety system, meaning there's relatively few precarious people, so everyone has lots to loose. People simply commit less crimes when they're doing well, esp serious ones. Also, we have a vetting process (only hunting guns can be bought without a licence but all guns must be registered with the police). Most guns do need a licence and there's a background check. Most bad actors won't pass. Any infraction and you have your guns confiscated, so you def have to be a bit careful to remain in good standing. It doesnt take much. Most important, we have a very different gun culture in Switzerland. Combat style shooting is completely illegal. No man shaped targets. No double taps on ranges. No combat gear load outs/camo. None of that. It's all sporting style shooting. We also have no castle doctrine or concealed carry - shooting someone will basically get you a premeditated murder charge every time, even if they break into your house. Use of deadly force is absolutely frowned upon - there's virtually no justification for it, or way to get away with anything. In the US you seem to have plenty people willing, ready and often even eager to blast someone, they're actively looking for a reason 😂 In my experience as a gun owner, the biggest concern for the authorities is self deletion. That's 90% of our gun issue. Like everywhere else where you can own guns, laws are kinda convoluted and stupid in many ways. But you have your share of that too. I think the US gets a bad rep. Most gun violence happens in poor inner city areas with many perhaps more rural middle class areas being perfect safe. I'm obv strongly in favour of gun ownership so...
@@mysterioanonymous3206 So he was basically talking solely out of ignorance when he was saying Switzerland had a better gun culture. Thank you for your insight. I remember watching a documentary about Switzerland and they explained that once a soldier stops serving he can buy his rifle but they will change it so it is only semi-auto. That made absolutely no sense to me because the man has the same level of trustworthiness as a citizen as he does as a soldier. Anyway, thanks for bearing with me for a bit. I do have a youtube channel of my own if you happen to be interested in that.
@@infogunvault6920 yeah I don't know what they talk about frankly... If you satisfy some requirements (depends on the state, normally you need to be a "collector" meaning having a certain number of guns, and there's some secure storage requirements) you can absolutely get a licence to buy restricted weapons (machine guns, silencers, all weapon lights fall into this category like lasers/ir/weapon lights)... but everytime you want to shoot them you need to apply at your local police dept. and there's a 100usd fee, so it's kinda inconvenient and rather pricey to shoot them (application fee, range fee, ammo, it adds up quick, everything is expensive here). I guess once you convert into civilian ownership of your duty rifle that law applies... Accordingly, you barely see any of that here simply because it's impractical and expensive. It used to be much easier but the European union has very restrictive gun laws, and they push all that nonsense on us because they think EU citizens can arm themselves in Switzerland and bring the guns back to their countries. God it's so retar***. We now have to deal with all that nonsense. God I hate the European union. Absolutely inept bunch. You guys in the US don't know how good you have it, except California 😂
@@mysterioanonymous3206 I know how good we have it, constitutional carry in many places (no need for a permit) and plenty of wide open country where no one will care if you set up a safe shooting range there.
This is brilliant, thanks! I completely agree with what you say about the necessity of having a sense of duty and how important that is. And in any context, not just with regards to 2A. Cheers!
The Swiss don’t have mass shootings because: 1) everyone is compelled to serve in the military and receives training. Those who are unfit to possess firearms are essentially mentally screened out of the system. 2) The Swiss have socialized healthcare, including mental healthcare, which again screens against mental health issues 3) The wage/income disparity amongst the Swiss is drastically less than in the USA… any culture that has less disparity of income has less crime. That’s why the Swiss can have their guns and cake.
Very well stated sir. However, I feel it is the US ‘gun culture’ that would oppose all 3 points you listed. I say this because your points are governmental and policy driven. With that in mind, and gun gulture scewing Republican; I see US gun culture saying no to mandatory service because it takes away freedom (could be the opposite also, leaning very nationalistic… 50/50 either way), they oppose a universal healthcare system or background checks or any sensible regulation and lastly support big business over individuals. I firmly support the 2nd, but our ‘gun culture’ here in the US is a f*ing joke.
@LazloVimes I am very far left wing except for guns, think all single manned and carry-able guns should be legal, including full auto, with no regulations for length or magazine size. I think mandatory 1 year armed combat or 5 armed non combat should be universal (both genders) you can choose when to do it, between age 18-30...even for the neurodivergent, such as myself....and the physically disabled, but certain accommodations should be made. Yes universal healthcare. Anyone who has served ther mandatory time should be able to have any gun shipped to their home, no FFL needed. Only thing that would need to be strictly regulated should be explosives, which should have rigorous mental health, and psycheic evalutions, as well as a 10 year waiti period. Concealed carry should allowed everywhere with no permit.
I believe in 2nd A, but not "god". I feel a sense of duty, but not due to any religion. The founders set it up to have a separation of church and state, yet religious people always try to link "god" into it. This frustrates and alienates people like me.
ill be honest, i think LEO are going to be the ones constitutional citizens will be fighting. watching some 1st amendment audits have me seriously questioning LEO ability to read the thing they swore an oath to uphold.
God. Family. Country. However, if serving one's masters means going against the oath of upholding the Constitution and following unlawful orders. I'm not going that route.
if it wasn't evident after COVID, people will do whatever they're told to keep their job. LEOs serve their pension first.....way down on that list is "The Constitution"
I'm sick to see the perpetuation of terms like "gun culture", "gun nuts", etc. etc....... No such frigging thing. These are anti 2A tropes. There is only our natural right to bear arms, and our founders were smart enough to try to "guarantee " and protect it in the constitution!!! I liked Travis' POV and comments though.
True, most of us, from all walks of life have been too focused on rights and not responsibilities. As if requiring responsibility somehow reduces one’s freedom. I believe, we can not have liberty without personal responsibility.
@@Hunting-jr1mp it really isn’t that hard. This country got along just fine and the people flourished because we knew what responsibility is. People pretend to not know so as to not be accountable. It’s disgusting and people that make excuses for it are just as bad.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood Subjective metrics should never be used for determining liberties, which part of that sentence don't u comprehend because it "isn't that hard" isn't an argument against my point.
@@Hunting-jr1mp you do not seem to understand what liberty or rights are. In the American sense. Our rights are not given or granted to us, also our rights are by definition, non obligatory. Meaning they are not rights if they have to be provided by another person. Therefore your lack of personal responsibility diminishes my liberty. Unless we had a truly libertarian society, or at best, had no idiots voting like children. Any lack on your part to provide for you and yours is an infringement on others as others are forced to pay with their time, labor or money to provide for that lack. People want to be free to do what ever they will, yet they want the consequences of those actions to be placed on society as a whole. Eat what you want, have the system pay your hospital bills, do all the drugs you want, have the system pay your welfare because you can’t keep a job, run up ridiculous debt buying crap you don’t need, declare bankruptcy, have the system pay it for you, spend all your money on alcohol, tobacco, tattoos, video games, cell phones to the point you say you can’t afford to feed your kids, have the system pay for them. The system, is you and me and we aren’t free if we spend too much of our time working to pay for their peoples mistakes.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood You are very clearly confusing rights with social programs. Rights are enshrined in the Constitution (freedom of speech, religion, fair trial, guns, etc), social programs are determined by government policy and are a completely different discussion. I am saying that rights, not social programs, cannot be fairly controlled by the measure of 'responsibility' becasue that is a subjective standard.
It is interesting that the discussion mentions the sense of duty for the Swiss people. What is not typically said is that the cause of that sense of duty is their national identity. That national identity is a product of the Swiss nation; a nation that formed/matured its national image cemented by genetic/blood closeness of the people, unique Swiss history, shared culture and religion, and tight geography. That is not something the United States of America can copy. The United States cannot hope to achieve a similar sense of duty because the American nation never fully formed its national identity. It came close to forming a fully matured one in the 19th and 20th centuries, but the seedlings were choked when the American nation was transformed into the American idea. Most US citizens today cannot even tell you what an "American" is, because the American identity has been relentlessly replaced with ideology (and not the mass media kind). "America" today is essentially just a concept, but as with feelings, concepts are fleeting when unsubstantiated, especially when that concept is built on soft sand like "an idea nation" or "being an American is idea". America today is an artificial nation or rather a make-believe one. America never completed its maturation, because the overall vaingloriousness and sense of exceptionalism that its people had were exploited ruthlessly and made into great weaknesses when America's fortunes turned great after WW2, paradoxically preventing it from forming a genuine nation and instead forming an idea empire. Without a concrete national image and blood, there can be no national identity. And if examined honestly, the failure of the Americans to build a genuine nation had signs of failure long before even the first wave of immigration in the early 1800s, though it greatly contributed to the problem. What America faces today is an existential crisis.
That’s a long winded way of saying you don’t like immigrants and are xenophobic. As somebody who makes American citizens for a living, the immigrants I make citizens of are more American than you will ever be considering what they had to do to become a citizen.
Swiss here... I think you're on the wrong track, because by any actual metric Switzerland is both more diverse and has more foreigners/immigrants than the US. We have 4 official languages f.e. if that's any indication (also 25% foreigners vs. 15%, with over 60% of the population with immigration background). I have lots to say about this beyond the scope of a RUclips comment but let's just say there isn't much sense of duty or ethnic cohesion here, I guarantee you that. The real difference is low poverty, good welfare systems and generally an equitable, prosperous society. That's what lies at the heart of low crime rates.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 swiss black population: 0.9% US black population: 13% and growing hmm golly gee I wonder what the difference is between these two nations that might explain the crime rate difference with guns.
@@jellyfrosh9102 yeah, but your black people were born in the country. They speak your goddamn language no? A good chunk of our foreigners fled war zones like the Balkans, Afghanistan, Irak and Syria. They don't speak a single word of our language. They barely have a high school education when they arrive here. Most are traumatised. And don't start me on religion or culture. If you think you can remotely compare these populations you're deluded. I already stated what the differences are in my first comment.
Recently lost a couple of "friends" because Im a constitution guy, and they were playing American by saying our July 4th carry enactment will turn into the wild west. Sickening
Our leaders in the government are drawn from the citizens of the United States. virtually anyone can run for office. You may not have the resources to capmaign effectively but if you are creative and authentic you can win. You get better leaders when you get better citizens. When you put good people into the system, you get better results.
I totally agree that more Americans need to embrace the idea that the 2nd Amendment has a sense of duty connected with it. Unfortunately I live in NY State and our lawmakers see gun ownership as something evil.
@@DanMulberry god bless them, us older veterans need to retire with our shit views and perspective. After all, we lost the GWOT. Maybe the newer generation will win.
Don't know, but, it may have been not really military oriented, just that he was a test jumper, qualified & experienced, HAHO, HALO , etc.and jumped the parachute rig for the Shuttles, space suit. I think that would be a feather in a test jumpers cap.
Sense of duty is precisely what’s missing from American 🇺🇸 society. People are believing they are something when they’re not because of the internet. When they get into the real world they can’t handle it and fall apart because they didn’t get a participation trophy 🏆 or likes and shares. No one is tough enough to get their feelings hurt 😢. People like theses guys and myself are the last of our kind. In 20 years no one will have stories of any kind that will match who came before them. We need more tough men who can stand up as a statesman for our country,people,culture and reinvigorate the sense of duty.
Whats missing: Fear of God and submission to His Word. Being tough doesnt cut it. Being skilled doesnt cut it. Trusting and obeying God yields miracles.
Show me a single member of any government agency or branch of service who's master was anything other than tryant's interests. You did the government's dirty work, and claiming that was serving the constitution is exactly what people mean when they say you'll serve your old master.
Are you enjoying the fruits of an “American Imperialism ?” Things like cheap cell phones, stocked shelves of everything from food to clothing, the ability to visit countries around the world, if you choose. If you are in the U.S., you enjoy the fruits of those master-serving tyrants. You’re welcome.
I'm sure the Germans appreciated the bailout after WWII. I mean, we could have just given them to the Russians. At least we didn't annex them. Come to think of it, I'm not sure we've annexed any nation through bloodshed for at least 150 years. We bought Hawaii and Alaska. I suppose it depends on how you define a Tyrant? I don't think we've had any tyrants here for a minute. Trump runs pretty hot on that list. McCarthy tried, but ironically enough, it was the US Army that beat him. Go figure. The last real "freedom" we were every really deprived of was Alcohol 100 years ago, and that lasted about as long as could be expected. And in every nation we staged a military action, it was to bail someone ELSE out. Iraq can be argued, but you should know the Iraqis were dancing and cheering in the street to see our soldiers, and were jubilant when Saddam was taken out of power. See I dont know the specific reasons behind your hatred of the system...I'm sure its valid. I've had my share of issues with it too, and its certainly not done great for me. That said I can reconcile its shortcomings because I know it could be a whole hell of a lot worse, and that I'm very fortunate to live in this part of the world. It could be a hell of a lot better sure, but you don't fix it by whinging about it. Do something to make it better.
I may be an agnostic atheist, but even I can see that religion has had an important role in human social development. It's not going to save you in a firefight, but it might provide a decent moral grounding upon which a society may base its rules of practice, laws, etc--not necessary for the function, but useful in many ways, some of which are malicious, others benevolent.
@@0num4It accomplished some things. But it also cost 10x more than it accomplished. Most peaceful socities and areas trend closer to agnoticism for a reason.
@@SmokyOleCorrelation-Causation fallacy. The earliest Christians were very peaceful until they became pagan (Catholic adopted pagan influences). True religion is very peaceful and it’s all about conquering the animal inside of you. Religion is about domesticating human behavior and rejecting primitive instinct.
Religion provides community, meaning, culture, morals, and welfare. Religion also helps humans to learn how to domesticate themselves by turning away from primitive instinct. When done right, religion provides many benefits. Criticism of religion can be attributed to the weakness in people which happens regardless of religion.
Your audio seems to be pretty low. Maybe my computer is doing something odd but... No, other RUclips videos are fine. Give your video editor a slap on his/her pee pee :) Seems like good content, but I can't watch this if I cannot hear it.
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I’m glad you guys are having fun playing military but at some point you’re gonna have to get down to business and uphold that oath you know before we lose everything. How many millions of you are out there? And you’re still sitting on your ass?
5.56 not lethal after 200 yards is a wild statement my guy
I think he's inferring a CAR-15, which makes Travis' disagreement funnier since I think his service time would be behind a 14.5. Both guy's bias on display lol
If you see the full clip they where running 77gr otm with the wrong twist rate barrel so the rifles where about 7 moa so they couldn’t put the rounds where they wanted to
Agreed. I think what he meant to say was that stopping power is almost nil past 250 yards for 556. Whereas .30 cal still drops em well past that distance.
Lost every war since switching to 5.56 and still defending it... WW2 vets called they want their 308 back.
@@skywolf7717ww2 guys used 30-06
I just wish our leadership shared that same sense of duty to The Constitution.
Hes on the right track. Kennedy once said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask instead what you can do for your country". I always thought that was just idealistic flim flam for the longest time, but the more I look at it, the more you start to see how vitally important that is.
Weve had a string of really bad leaders over the past 60 years. Nixon shattered our trust. Reagan sold us out. Bush Senior and Clinton wet noodled their way through vital foreign policies. Bush Junior and Cheney landed us in a 20 year war. This along with no small amount of political foolery... The internet in particular brought alot of this into the light and then inundated people with rhetoric without perspective or reference. As a result we have several whole generations that were born skeptics, and lost faith in that system, if they ever had it at all.
They work too hard, and make too little, and see Billionaires laughing their way to the bank after selling another 100,000 employees down the river.
They watch "Republicans" and "Democrats" in the highest and most important offices of this country scheming and slithering and bickering like 8 year olds...and the media brings it all into glaring focus.
Its hard to engender faith in a system like that, even harder to escape demonization of said system by a select and sometimes vocal few.
On the other hand, Americans now live with a level of convenience never before experienced in human history. We don't even have to get our fat asses off the couch to get groceries anymore, someone will bring them right to your door. This convenience this...complacency, coupled with this detachment from the system that provides this level of prosperity(even masked as it is under a veil of cynicism and naysay), has created a very "me" atmosphere. Its about what benefits "me". "Why should I serve? what do I get out of it?", "Why should I do that? it doesn't benefit me", "Why bother? Its a waste of my time, there's nothing in it for *me*".
Exactly as you said, we should be putting good, selfless people into the system. Our politicians and leaders are drawn FROM the population. if you have ignorant, selfish, self centered citizens, your'e going to have ignorant, selfish, self centered leaders.
More people need to be willing to give back. Not because "Free college" or because you get discounts at every store known to man and get called a hero by everyone and their grandmother(even if you were a POG that sat behind a desk and did the absolute bare minimum), but because you benefited from this system. You grew fat off this system. You're spoiled by this system. Do SOMETHING to give back. doesn't have to be military. join the peace corps. Do search and rescue. Become a volunteer firefighter. Be a tribal advocate. Do something for others, and for the betterment of America as a people and as a nation.
I think Switzerlands culture is based on the fact that they're a more homogeneous society whereas the US culture is not so much, especially now. I think the "American" culture has been severely diluted by immigrants less willing to assimilate than in the past.
Exactly right
Assimilate? Sounds like a supremacist attitude to me. Why should they learn English when America has according to the Constitution no official language?
Swiss here (gun owning).... Hard disagree.
The US has about 15% foreigners most of which are conservative catholic Mexicans. Switzerland has 25% foreigners, many of which are Europeans but you'd be surprised of just how different they are culturally. So while the US is more diverse in places (say Queens NYC or LA) that certainly doesn't hold true overall. Switzerland together with Australia have the highest immigration rate in the western world excluding micro states. Don't be deceived by melanin levels in the population, Switzerland is very diverse.
Also, we're a conscription country so most men have served in the army, meaning they got to shoot everything from assault rifles to rocket launchers or throwing grenades and riding in IFVs and whatnot - for free. So that's out of many guys system early on. Also, repetition courses every year until your 30s so you get the real experience quite frequently.
Civilian gun culture in Switzerland is very sport shooting oriented though. Shooting at man shaped targets is illegal, as is anything "tactical". So while we have lots of guns generally, running around in camo and plate carriers and shooting tactically simply doesn't exist, in fact it's illegal. Also, there's no castle laws, meaning shooting an unarmed intruder will get you 20 years. Concealed carry is virtually impossible in all but a select few circumstances. So we simply don't have a militaristic gun culture unlike the US where every Joe Schmo LARPs as a SOF guy in his free time. You'd get kicked out of any range or club and it'd get you on a terrorist watch list real quick. I mean it's a wildly different gun culture here.
As to crime... That has more to do with social policies, poverty and mental health. Having a prosperous society is the best way to have a safe society, I don't think it correlates with gun ownership rates at all.
@@mysterioanonymous3206Mir hend defür viel weniger Schwarzi.. 😉
@@mysterioanonymous3206 Thanks for the clarification. How about the assimilation aspect. Do your "diverse" population have the hyphenated citizenry (African-Swiss, German-Swiss, Italian-Swiss) like we have in the US (African-American, Mexican-American, et. al)? Or does your population consider themselves "Swiss"? I also think our total numbers relative to yours plays a part. While the ratios may be different, the larger numbers have an effect. Here, even a small percentage minority can make a big noise. But that's just me.😑
We the people is not the government.
It’s we the people vs they the government.
Hardly the case and proven over and over again
90% of government needs to go .
The solution is not less government. The solution is better government.
@@The_universal_cynic no 90% needs to go and 10% needs to be fixed. Anything else is communist.
@@The_universal_cynic It's less.
@@johnhunt9674how would less government make things better? You tiny brained conservatives always say less government is better but the politicians you elect always do the opposite and expand big government but it's never programs that help anybody. It's usually stuff like spying and spending.
@@johnhunt9674 how is less government better. You smoothed brained preservatives always blather about how small our government is better but you never explain why it's better.
Travis, thanks for clarifying your position on 2a. The sense of duty needs to be reinstituted and reinforced.
Shooting bolt actions, lever actions and revolvers. Now, Everyone wants a machine gun, silencer and a de facto short rifle.
This onsession with high volume firepower is wasting a lot of ammo and driving prices up. Also people stocking up on ammo that theyll probably never shoot all of it.
I remember when a 50 round box of 22 ammo would last a long time with a lot of dead squirrels from that one box.
There is no more hunting like it used to be. I remember when almost any farmer would let me hunt varmints on their land or hunt squirrels. Now you have to lease to get access.
Nearest wma is 20 miles. Guess it could be worse.
I got the toyz. But the only stuff I shoot a lot are my two CCW guns and my hunting guns. Basically the life savers and the meat getters.
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This country wasn’t founded on your religion, it was founded on the freedom of speech which happens to include your right to participate your religion but it didn’t give you the right to legislate and force others to participate directly or indirectly. Much like my right to swing my hands ends at your nose your right to practice your religion ends at my right to reproductive healthcare.
Lots of people are focused on "my rights!". It seems like they often forget that their rights are completely linked with their responsibilities. You must be Accountable if you want to have Freedom.
Swiss here... Hard disagree. AMA!
Thank you for stating that. It needed to be said.
Is it that Swiss have more of a sense of duty or that they are more willing to obey where an American would not?
Or am I looking at this from the wrong perspective?
@@infogunvault6920yeah, I'd say neither. Switzerland is a relatively prosperous country with a good social safety system, meaning there's relatively few precarious people, so everyone has lots to loose. People simply commit less crimes when they're doing well, esp serious ones.
Also, we have a vetting process (only hunting guns can be bought without a licence but all guns must be registered with the police). Most guns do need a licence and there's a background check. Most bad actors won't pass. Any infraction and you have your guns confiscated, so you def have to be a bit careful to remain in good standing. It doesnt take much.
Most important, we have a very different gun culture in Switzerland. Combat style shooting is completely illegal. No man shaped targets. No double taps on ranges. No combat gear load outs/camo. None of that. It's all sporting style shooting. We also have no castle doctrine or concealed carry - shooting someone will basically get you a premeditated murder charge every time, even if they break into your house. Use of deadly force is absolutely frowned upon - there's virtually no justification for it, or way to get away with anything. In the US you seem to have plenty people willing, ready and often even eager to blast someone, they're actively looking for a reason 😂
In my experience as a gun owner, the biggest concern for the authorities is self deletion. That's 90% of our gun issue.
Like everywhere else where you can own guns, laws are kinda convoluted and stupid in many ways. But you have your share of that too.
I think the US gets a bad rep. Most gun violence happens in poor inner city areas with many perhaps more rural middle class areas being perfect safe. I'm obv strongly in favour of gun ownership so...
@@mysterioanonymous3206 So he was basically talking solely out of ignorance when he was saying Switzerland had a better gun culture.
Thank you for your insight.
I remember watching a documentary about Switzerland and they explained that once a soldier stops serving he can buy his rifle but they will change it so it is only semi-auto.
That made absolutely no sense to me because the man has the same level of trustworthiness as a citizen as he does as a soldier.
Anyway, thanks for bearing with me for a bit. I do have a youtube channel of my own if you happen to be interested in that.
@@infogunvault6920 yeah I don't know what they talk about frankly...
If you satisfy some requirements (depends on the state, normally you need to be a "collector" meaning having a certain number of guns, and there's some secure storage requirements) you can absolutely get a licence to buy restricted weapons (machine guns, silencers, all weapon lights fall into this category like lasers/ir/weapon lights)... but everytime you want to shoot them you need to apply at your local police dept. and there's a 100usd fee, so it's kinda inconvenient and rather pricey to shoot them (application fee, range fee, ammo, it adds up quick, everything is expensive here). I guess once you convert into civilian ownership of your duty rifle that law applies... Accordingly, you barely see any of that here simply because it's impractical and expensive.
It used to be much easier but the European union has very restrictive gun laws, and they push all that nonsense on us because they think EU citizens can arm themselves in Switzerland and bring the guns back to their countries. God it's so retar***. We now have to deal with all that nonsense. God I hate the European union. Absolutely inept bunch.
You guys in the US don't know how good you have it, except California 😂
@@mysterioanonymous3206 I know how good we have it, constitutional carry in many places (no need for a permit) and plenty of wide open country where no one will care if you set up a safe shooting range there.
This is brilliant, thanks! I completely agree with what you say about the necessity of having a sense of duty and how important that is. And in any context, not just with regards to 2A. Cheers!
What's missing from gun culture in America? The " shall not be infringed " part .
The Swiss don’t have mass shootings because: 1) everyone is compelled to serve in the military and receives training. Those who are unfit to possess firearms are essentially mentally screened out of the system. 2) The Swiss have socialized healthcare, including mental healthcare, which again screens against mental health issues 3) The wage/income disparity amongst the Swiss is drastically less than in the USA… any culture that has less disparity of income has less crime.
That’s why the Swiss can have their guns and cake.
Very well stated sir. However, I feel it is the US ‘gun culture’ that would oppose all 3 points you listed. I say this because your points are governmental and policy driven.
With that in mind, and gun gulture scewing Republican; I see US gun culture saying no to mandatory service because it takes away freedom (could be the opposite also, leaning very nationalistic… 50/50 either way), they oppose a universal healthcare system or background checks or any sensible regulation and lastly support big business over individuals.
I firmly support the 2nd, but our ‘gun culture’ here in the US is a f*ing joke.
They don't have mass shootings because they are a homogenous society, America isn't at all and that's where you see the vast majority of crime.
@LazloVimes I am very far left wing except for guns, think all single manned and carry-able guns should be legal, including full auto, with no regulations for length or magazine size.
I think mandatory 1 year armed combat or 5 armed non combat should be universal (both genders) you can choose when to do it, between age 18-30...even for the neurodivergent, such as myself....and the physically disabled, but certain accommodations should be made.
Yes universal healthcare. Anyone who has served ther mandatory time should be able to have any gun shipped to their home, no FFL needed. Only thing that would need to be strictly regulated should be explosives, which should have rigorous mental health, and psycheic evalutions, as well as a 10 year waiti period. Concealed carry should allowed everywhere with no permit.
Bravo on who the real master are !!
Thank you, The Bridge. Didn't know I needed to hear those last thoughts until I heard them.
I believe in 2nd A, but not "god". I feel a sense of duty, but not due to any religion. The founders set it up to have a separation of church and state, yet religious people always try to link "god" into it. This frustrates and alienates people like me.
I would like to see American gun ownership professionalized similar to civilian ownership in Germany.
ill be honest, i think LEO are going to be the ones constitutional citizens will be fighting. watching some 1st amendment audits have me seriously questioning LEO ability to read the thing they swore an oath to uphold.
God. Family. Country. However, if serving one's masters means going against the oath of upholding the Constitution and following unlawful orders. I'm not going that route.
if it wasn't evident after COVID, people will do whatever they're told to keep their job. LEOs serve their pension first.....way down on that list is "The Constitution"
Beautifully put!
I'm sick to see the perpetuation of terms like "gun culture", "gun nuts", etc. etc.......
No such frigging thing. These are anti 2A tropes. There is only our natural right to bear arms, and our founders were smart enough to try to "guarantee " and protect it in the constitution!!! I liked Travis' POV and comments though.
For the record, "we the people" is the first three words of the constitution.
That's SOCIALISM! There is no "we" in rugged individualism, snowflake.
As a religious person your point about the necessity of gun ownership is extremely important. To many devout Christians miss that point.
Americans certainly do need a "renewed sense of duty" and heightened vigilance, regarding Government throughout history! Amen!
You guys in Phoenix? Would LOVE to come train.
True, most of us, from all walks of life have been too focused on rights and not responsibilities. As if requiring responsibility somehow reduces one’s freedom. I believe, we can not have liberty without personal responsibility.
Personal responsibility is far to subjective as a metric for allowing libertys
@@Hunting-jr1mp it really isn’t that hard. This country got along just fine and the people flourished because we knew what responsibility is.
People pretend to not know so as to not be accountable. It’s disgusting and people that make excuses for it are just as bad.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood Subjective metrics should never be used for determining liberties, which part of that sentence don't u comprehend because it "isn't that hard" isn't an argument against my point.
@@Hunting-jr1mp you do not seem to understand what liberty or rights are. In the American sense.
Our rights are not given or granted to us, also our rights are by definition, non obligatory. Meaning they are not rights if they have to be provided by another person. Therefore your lack of personal responsibility diminishes my liberty. Unless we had a truly libertarian society, or at best, had no idiots voting like children. Any lack on your part to provide for you and yours is an infringement on others as others are forced to pay with their time, labor or money to provide for that lack.
People want to be free to do what ever they will, yet they want the consequences of those actions to be placed on society as a whole.
Eat what you want, have the system pay your hospital bills, do all the drugs you want, have the system pay your welfare because you can’t keep a job, run up ridiculous debt buying crap you don’t need, declare bankruptcy, have the system pay it for you, spend all your money on alcohol, tobacco, tattoos, video games, cell phones to the point you say you can’t afford to feed your kids, have the system pay for them.
The system, is you and me and we aren’t free if we spend too much of our time working to pay for their peoples mistakes.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood You are very clearly confusing rights with social programs. Rights are enshrined in the Constitution (freedom of speech, religion, fair trial, guns, etc), social programs are determined by government policy and are a completely different discussion. I am saying that rights, not social programs, cannot be fairly controlled by the measure of 'responsibility' becasue that is a subjective standard.
Turn up the sound please.
It is interesting that the discussion mentions the sense of duty for the Swiss people. What is not typically said is that the cause of that sense of duty is their national identity. That national identity is a product of the Swiss nation; a nation that formed/matured its national image cemented by genetic/blood closeness of the people, unique Swiss history, shared culture and religion, and tight geography. That is not something the United States of America can copy.
The United States cannot hope to achieve a similar sense of duty because the American nation never fully formed its national identity. It came close to forming a fully matured one in the 19th and 20th centuries, but the seedlings were choked when the American nation was transformed into the American idea. Most US citizens today cannot even tell you what an "American" is, because the American identity has been relentlessly replaced with ideology (and not the mass media kind). "America" today is essentially just a concept, but as with feelings, concepts are fleeting when unsubstantiated, especially when that concept is built on soft sand like "an idea nation" or "being an American is idea". America today is an artificial nation or rather a make-believe one. America never completed its maturation, because the overall vaingloriousness and sense of exceptionalism that its people had were exploited ruthlessly and made into great weaknesses when America's fortunes turned great after WW2, paradoxically preventing it from forming a genuine nation and instead forming an idea empire. Without a concrete national image and blood, there can be no national identity. And if examined honestly, the failure of the Americans to build a genuine nation had signs of failure long before even the first wave of immigration in the early 1800s, though it greatly contributed to the problem.
What America faces today is an existential crisis.
That’s a long winded way of saying you don’t like immigrants and are xenophobic. As somebody who makes American citizens for a living, the immigrants I make citizens of are more American than you will ever be considering what they had to do to become a citizen.
Swiss here... I think you're on the wrong track, because by any actual metric Switzerland is both more diverse and has more foreigners/immigrants than the US. We have 4 official languages f.e. if that's any indication (also 25% foreigners vs. 15%, with over 60% of the population with immigration background). I have lots to say about this beyond the scope of a RUclips comment but let's just say there isn't much sense of duty or ethnic cohesion here, I guarantee you that.
The real difference is low poverty, good welfare systems and generally an equitable, prosperous society. That's what lies at the heart of low crime rates.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 say it louder for those arrogant Americans who think they know something about Swiss culture and Swiss gun culture!!!
@@mysterioanonymous3206 swiss black population: 0.9%
US black population: 13% and growing
hmm golly gee I wonder what the difference is between these two nations that might explain the crime rate difference with guns.
@@jellyfrosh9102 yeah, but your black people were born in the country. They speak your goddamn language no?
A good chunk of our foreigners fled war zones like the Balkans, Afghanistan, Irak and Syria. They don't speak a single word of our language. They barely have a high school education when they arrive here. Most are traumatised. And don't start me on religion or culture.
If you think you can remotely compare these populations you're deluded. I already stated what the differences are in my first comment.
Recently lost a couple of "friends" because Im a constitution guy, and they were playing American by saying our July 4th carry enactment will turn into the wild west. Sickening
Getting sense of duty back is going to be an uphill battle until we have an overhaul of current mindset within gov.
Our leaders in the government are drawn from the citizens of the United States. virtually anyone can run for office. You may not have the resources to capmaign effectively but if you are creative and authentic you can win.
You get better leaders when you get better citizens. When you put good people into the system, you get better results.
Switzerland doesn’t have a Memphis, Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, Oakland, New Orleans, et al. Demographics are a thing.
Switzerland has bad places too.
@@SmokyOleLMFAO, yeah where the “eCoNoMiC MiGRaNtS” are. 🤦♂️🙄🤣
@@SmokyOle Does it have anywhere like where he listed?
No.
Memphis here. I’ve been shot at more times in Memphis than I did in Iraq. I know it sounds like a joke, it’s not.
@@PeasantKing12B-dp3ee sure you have.
Your old masters are not “we the people.”
That’s the critical misunderstanding.
The gentleman in the white shirt wasn't the CMC of Team 4 in '06 by chance?
I totally agree that more Americans need to embrace the idea that the 2nd Amendment has a sense of duty connected with it. Unfortunately I live in NY State and our lawmakers see gun ownership as something evil.
The Swiss caved to the EU recently in regards to gun laws, I lost all my respect for them after that.
I tried to join the military when I was 20 but because I didn’t graduate high school, they wanted no part of me, a plain old American man.
Bullshit
Think of them not having you as a blessing. When the sh*t goes down and it will, you can decide how to act instead of being ordered. Watch and see.
You ever get your GED and try and join?
@@DanMulberry god bless them, us older veterans need to retire with our shit views and perspective. After all, we lost the GWOT. Maybe the newer generation will win.
I've seen guy get dropped with 556 past 200 in Iraq and Afghan. Multiple times.
we need to be more social
That guy cant even see past 200 yards anymore
the sound is so low in this video
I'm going to say that what's missing is cardiovascular endurance. Among other things.
Jumping out of a space shuttle at 30,000 ft???????? HUH??????wha???????
Don't know, but, it may have been not really military oriented, just that he was a test jumper, qualified & experienced, HAHO, HALO , etc.and jumped the parachute rig for the Shuttles, space suit. I think that would be a feather in a test jumpers cap.
It's a joke, especially in military circles. "Space Shuttle Door Gunner" and things like that.
Sense of duty is precisely what’s missing from American 🇺🇸 society. People are believing they are something when they’re not because of the internet. When they get into the real world they can’t handle it and fall apart because they didn’t get a participation trophy 🏆 or likes and shares. No one is tough enough to get their feelings hurt 😢. People like theses guys and myself are the last of our kind. In 20 years no one will have stories of any kind that will match who came before them. We need more tough men who can stand up as a statesman for our country,people,culture and reinvigorate the sense of duty.
Whats missing: Fear of God and submission to His Word. Being tough doesnt cut it. Being skilled doesnt cut it. Trusting and obeying God yields miracles.
Why should we fear God? A god that is not loving, but spiteful should not be worshiped but should be destroyed.
Does this mean Ant May is not coming to dinner.
Show me a single member of any government agency or branch of service who's master was anything other than tryant's interests. You did the government's dirty work, and claiming that was serving the constitution is exactly what people mean when they say you'll serve your old master.
Are you enjoying the fruits of an “American Imperialism ?” Things like cheap cell phones, stocked shelves of everything from food to clothing, the ability to visit countries around the world, if you choose. If you are in the U.S., you enjoy the fruits of those master-serving tyrants. You’re welcome.
I'm sure the Germans appreciated the bailout after WWII. I mean, we could have just given them to the Russians. At least we didn't annex them. Come to think of it, I'm not sure we've annexed any nation through bloodshed for at least 150 years. We bought Hawaii and Alaska. I suppose it depends on how you define a Tyrant?
I don't think we've had any tyrants here for a minute. Trump runs pretty hot on that list. McCarthy tried, but ironically enough, it was the US Army that beat him. Go figure.
The last real "freedom" we were every really deprived of was Alcohol 100 years ago, and that lasted about as long as could be expected.
And in every nation we staged a military action, it was to bail someone ELSE out.
Iraq can be argued, but you should know the Iraqis were dancing and cheering in the street to see our soldiers, and were jubilant when Saddam was taken out of power.
See I dont know the specific reasons behind your hatred of the system...I'm sure its valid. I've had my share of issues with it too, and its certainly not done great for me.
That said I can reconcile its shortcomings because I know it could be a whole hell of a lot worse, and that I'm very fortunate to live in this part of the world. It could be a hell of a lot better sure, but you don't fix it by whinging about it. Do something to make it better.
America first is inevitable!! NJF
Hmm turns out a 308 is more lethal than a 556. Who knew? 😂
The Constitution runs the show. No "Masters" since George III.
Well... now we know why Mike Jones joined the military :-)
It's sad but the sense of duty , has left most of the younger generations, it's turned into sense of entitlement
Young people don't want to die for rich men.
@@The_universal_cynic Young people don't want to die for politicians who should be serving them instead.
Ammunition
But the Swiss dont fight in wars😂
Until 2 parent homes make a return to America there will be no "sense of duty" as there is no discipline to instill that type of thinking🙁
Everyone knows their "rights" but few are seemingly aware of or acknowledge that those come with responsibilities. That is where the problem lies.
Make marksmanship a prerequisite for voting.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
@@The_universal_cynic Thanks for providing evidence that it would work.
@@OscarSchneegans I could probably shoot better than you iron sights without my glasses.
@@OscarSchneegans also, I'm not afraid to fight with my hands. Unlike you, who probably would be worried he'd break a nail.
@@The_universal_cynic More evidence. Thank you.
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NON SIBISED PATRIAE........ SEMPER FORTIS ..... U.S. NAVY.
Where the fuck did religion accomplish anything.
I may be an agnostic atheist, but even I can see that religion has had an important role in human social development. It's not going to save you in a firefight, but it might provide a decent moral grounding upon which a society may base its rules of practice, laws, etc--not necessary for the function, but useful in many ways, some of which are malicious, others benevolent.
Read Proverbs. You can ignore any mention of God and still read advice about how not to screw up your life.
@@0num4It accomplished some things. But it also cost 10x more than it accomplished. Most peaceful socities and areas trend closer to agnoticism for a reason.
@@SmokyOleCorrelation-Causation fallacy. The earliest Christians were very peaceful until they became pagan (Catholic adopted pagan influences).
True religion is very peaceful and it’s all about conquering the animal inside of you. Religion is about domesticating human behavior and rejecting primitive instinct.
Religion provides community, meaning, culture, morals, and welfare. Religion also helps humans to learn how to domesticate themselves by turning away from primitive instinct.
When done right, religion provides many benefits. Criticism of religion can be attributed to the weakness in people which happens regardless of religion.
Your audio seems to be pretty low. Maybe my computer is doing something odd but...
No, other RUclips videos are fine.
Give your video editor a slap on his/her pee pee :)
Seems like good content, but I can't watch this if I cannot hear it.
Common sense?
A cleaner image, it is all tattoos, beards, flannel and low class
It’s all the soy
Quite frankly no balls