Shaping Tone: Different Bell Sizes and Weights (Trumpet)
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- A Lead style horn and a Concert style horn are compared and contrasted here. Both are by CarolBrass; the CTR-5000L YLS is a large bell (Strad 72 type), orchestral-type, medium weight brass bell trumpet compared to the CTR-7770L YST, a smaller, lead-style, much more tapered bell that is lightweight brass. Both great horns, but with differing benefits and purposes. Enjoy! :)
The 7770 with HT Jazz piece is a knock out, just love it... my favorite horn you’ve play thus far 🎺
Yes. It's happy in California now. I miss it, too! :)
They both sound wonderful but I lean towards the 7770 sound, I believe I am hearing a richer ( more dynamic) sound with the 7770....thanks for always entertaining and teaching us about the brass world, Jonathan. ( I know you were not specifically comparing each born but rather giving us a mouth piece shaping lessons, nevertheless I couldn’t help but critic each horns sound ) 😀
Paul; thanks for commenting; always nice to hear from you. Both great horns, I have to say. I've got the 7770 up for sale at TrumpetHerald's Marketplace. Great horn but I have to sell one of them and it's in better condition than the other, so... (sad sigh and sniffles here!!) :)
Jonathan Milam that’s surprising, out of all horns you have demoed ( cannot remember all ) ...the 7770 has an elite sound, a clarity and richness that I don’t hear from many horns. Looking forward to more reviews and horn discussions, thanks Jonathan.
Hi. I've been following your videos for some time now. I like them a lot. The dog is fantastic btw. My cat just runs away when I play my horn. I'd like to ask you a favor. Please, show us some examples of different bore sizes and mouthpieces combinations. I hope i'm not asking for a video you already made. Thanks in advance and congratulations on your videos.
Lucas; Thanks for commenting. I've had 2 Doberman Pinschers. They will each try to get into the room where I'm playing. They'll sometimes sit right in front of the bell and howl. Some people think it's like wolf-packs uniting to howl together. Interesting thought. :) I also had a little Yorkie - he would run as soon as I picked up my mouthpiece and began buzzing - which I often do as a warm-up. He would never stay near a played horn. As to bore size and mouthpieces, I think this vid may be interesting. I have a large bore, medium-large and medium. I use different cups with each, I think. Enjoy! :) ruclips.net/video/9Wridk40-sM/видео.html
Bore size, to me, is rarely noticeable. Most good horns are so balanced with the receiver that the bore size isn't really so noticeable. Exception may be the volume put out, but I can't tell much diff. The leadpipe is really sooooo important in a horn; to me, that's where the playablity really derives from. Having said that, two of my favorite horns were Kanstul's Meha (a large bore horn) and the Callet Jazz; which was a step-bore but ended with a .470 bore; that's pretty large. They were both very manageable. I have vids of each of them if you want to hear them played individually.
Do you ever sell these, or do you just collect them?
Ed, I do sell most everything. I wish I could keep them all, but I have to sell one to buy the next one. :) Great hobby, though!
The bigger bell sounds fuller. By the way I got one of the Wallace practice mutes. Definitely worth it. Low register is the most natural feeling of any practice mute I have tried.
Gordon; welcome! :) Glad you like the Wallace. It's the best I've had so far; averaging low sound and less stuffiness. I do agree; the bigger bell does indeed yield a fuller tone. The lead horn, though, seems to have a sparkle to the tone that I've noticed a few times. Usually the 'after-echo'. I'm guessing that the lighter bell offers a little higher frequency sounds? Anyway, thanks for saying hi - always a pleasure.
Lol...once in a while I revisit the 7770....what a great sound 🎺hope all is well Jonathan.
That was a great horn. I had two CarolBrass horns and that sold quickly - but I really wanted to keep it. I just picked up an LA Benge, 4X, that has a light bell. I need to do a review of it - it'll sound a bit like the 7770. :) Take care ~ and thanks for saying hi!
Hey Jonathan, I always enjoy your vids! Just purchased a Blessing 10.5 mpc. Probably more psychological but I like it. My progress is so slow but it keeps my interest. I think I need a different mental attitude. Baby steps instead of giant leaps, lol. Keep up the great work!
Blues; Good day! :) I played the 10.5 size for several years. The Marcinkiewicz Shew 1.5 is close to the same rim but not quite as deep; it was easier for me to play (and I found several for $25-30 at Trumpetherald.com). I've gone just a bit larger now, I'm with a rim similar to a 7C now but using Reeves pieces. Finding the right 'fit' can be so hard! Too large and one and hurt their endurance. Too small and the tone can suffer. :) It's no wonder that many call the mouthpiece search 'the safari'. :)
Jonathan where can I get a trumpet flugelhorn mouthpiece?
Mark Curry makes very affordable and nice mouthpieces if you want to buy new. I generally buy used pieces off of Trumpetherald.com Marketplace or Ebay. A TF mouthpiece can be amazing and can be used as a great training tool, too.
i got an old trumpet that has a smaller bell overall (1924 Buescher Model 9 trumpet) and I was wondering if you could do a play comparison of that type of trumpet and the common trumpet
Chris; funny you should mention that - I was thinking of those smaller bell, smaller bore horns earlier in the morning. I don't have any on hand at the moment, but here's what I was thinking... I really prefer the smaller bore horns, Conn mostly had like .438 or so. I find that just a bit more manageable than today's horns, that are mostly .459/.460. Now for the bell... Again, I think the smaller bell allows for more control. Certainly, when pushed, the smaller bore and smaller bell could shoot the sound out like a laser. I'm not a big wind guy, perhaps that's why I like the smaller bore horns more. When Conn put out the Connstellation, that was a smaller bore horn but with a large bell (some models, not all). Some of the Connie bells were 5 1/4". To me, those were hard horns to fill. One of the Connstellation series had like a .485 size around the valve block and, for me, that large a bore is very challenging. I can't imagine doing a 4 hour gig like that. It would take chops MUCH stronger than mine to pull that off. :) The sound, in a video like I do, probably would not be as noticeable as the feel to a player. And over a long gig... Well, big bore takes more out of a person, I think. Hope this helps! :)