S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 won't be like G.A.M.M.A.
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- After watching the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 Heart of Chornobyl trailer about a cumjillion times since it was revealed I may be magnifying the crumbs it gave us into cold hard evidence that confirms my biases about this oh so special franchise. But the truth is that I don't care if that's the fact because this is something I want to get off my monolith... what? did you expect I'd say here? Watch the darned video. The point is, that I'm almost convinced that S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 won't be like G.A.M.M.A.
But now that you're here, time for a riddle! What can fire countless rounds of AP round on full auto but gets critical parts broken when the player touches it? STOP READING NOW IF YOU WANT TO FIGURE IT OUT - answer is three lines down
Answer: Every weapon in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. G.A.M.M.A.! Again, I don't hate Gamma, but it's true that it's not my cup of tea. I just find myself doing far too much inventory management to enjoy myself. Inventory management and equipment maintenance needs to find a Goldilocks spot, while games like Metro insult my intelligence, Metro disregards my ignorance and assumes I'd rather spend my time reading guides in my PDA and clicking on lube instead of exploring the Zone. Sheesh, I'm ranting again, aren't I? oops.
Again, I don't hate GAMMA, Escape from Pripyat, or even Misery, but I can't say I love how their improvements to the zone also come with their personal touch of the struggle bubble that requires a lot of reading in its guides. The PDA and the Discord server is your teacher, not the zone itself, and to me, the latter is what makes STALKER STALKER. lol, repetition.
It never was supposed to be like Gamma.
I’m expecting Clear Skies but Revamped
@@phalsparProbably a mix of Clear Sky with the non-linearity of Call of Pripyat.
@@dmin5782 clear sky isn’t linear is it? I’ve been playing it and from what it seems it’s kind of a make your own adventure type of game
@@phalspar It's been a few years since I played it, but I remember the main story being very linear compared to the other 2 games.
Sure, you can join whatever factions you like, but I don't remember them affecting the flow of the main story that much.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@phalsparyou can literally be a bandit xd
people must be deluded if they think it'll play as Anomaly/Gamma lol
its gonna play more like Traditional Stalker with QOL and new mechanics
Funny thing is, those mods are their only introduction to STALKER. Yet they claim that that's how STALKER always has been.
@@dogeprissy9850 Nobody is claiming it’s how Stalker has always been, the only people claiming this are people like you who are literally inventing something to be annoyed about. I swear I’ve never seen a community of so many gatekeeping jerks like the original Stalker community when the mod packs became popular, genuinely a bunch of crybaby losers.
@@logan62097
Cope and seethe tarkovite. You aren’t a STALKER fan, you aren’t even playing a STALKER game. Gatekeeping keeps the community clean.
@@dogeprissy9850 ah yes the million attachments to my gun is normally part of STALKER
@@monkeymoment6478 was there a Escape from Tarkov fan here?
I never really saw things in such a way, but I believe your thoughts make a lot of sense. It's all in GSC's hands now, and I have a feeling that S.T.A.L.K.E.R. will be much more than everything we've been served so far.
or much less
ITS HIM
Anomalous Dugout is my RUclipsr Daddy fr fr 🥵
@@t--w5203 No.
>S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 won't be like G.A.M.M.A.
Good
why do people want it like gamma when we have gamma
:/
All I know is if the bandits dont scream "ANUUUU CHEEKI BREEKI IV DAMKE" while trying to kill me for my bread then Stalker has truly lost its way :( aha
"get out of here stalker"
@@maukka138 I said come in dont just stand there
I want Jar and Ashot to argue once again :)
That dialog was sooo buggy@@Frille512
Played stalker and various mods since it has been out, and it's as simple as this; people can and will mod the game and enjoy it the way they want when it is out. Play it the way you want and be happy with it, rather than force everyone to play the way you play. The whole huge upside of stalker anomaly existing to begin with is that you have so many options you can change to the way you like it and play it. Even with gamma, where it is intended to be kind of difficult it's not hard to change that up and turn into what you want and play it the way you want because it is on anomaly. A lot of friends I have who had never played stalker before started with gamma but with a few small tweaks to make it new-player friendly and they all adored it being able to tweak to their preferences on the fly. One guy even turned off all hostile spawns save for anomalies and had fun for a week or so roleplaying as some explorer that collected artefacts and just relaxed exploring the maps outside of the anomalies planted around here and there in a mostly dead world and atmosphere. Would I ever play that way? Probably not, but that experience meant a lot to him and that's what mattered. His enjoyment. His game. His experience.
I think what I'm trying to say is, play your own way, stalkers -- it's your experience. Anyone who judges you for how /you/ have fun in a singleplayer game is an asshole.
"It should rather be in, god forbid Russian" - I don't get the hate towards the Russian language because of an invasion caused by Putin, typical western bullshit, just hating on Russian culture because Putin started the Russo-Ukrainian war. What people fail to understand is how widespread the Russian language is in Slavic countries too, and it pisses me off. Loving Russia/Russian culture is not remotely the same as supporting the Russo-Ukrainian war, but people pretend like it is while hiding behind their politics. So please, for the love of god, can we not start a wave of racism towards Russians? I've already seen enough of it in real life, and it's only gonna get worse. Lately I've just seen people disrespecting Russians and Russian culture in general, and when you confront someone about it they will say "they deserve it, look at what those Russians are doing in Ukraine". The war is horrible, but so is disrespect towards a whole culture because of a decision that was made by one person. What you did in your video, is associate the Russian language with a horrible event, which is not okay or justified in any way. It's like me saying "a game can't be in German, because the Germans gassed 6 million Jews during WWII". Shame, just pure shame, have some respect for Russia, like try to get around Putin and see the people of Russia, because they're amazing people, I can guarantee you that.
And some of the hilarious-shipost content mods was made by Russians
Why would Ukrainian developers make dubbing in Russian? First of all, the setting is actually in UKRAINE and Ukranian feels very natural in the game, because it is how people really speak in that area. It is way more realistic and emerging. Secondly, russia occupied our territory and they ban ukranian language from these territories. They burn books that are in Ukranian! They killed one of the developers of Stalker game. I TOTTALY DISRESPECT RUSSIA FOR COMMITING GENOCIDE! They litteraly eliminated so many languagies throughout their history.
I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for u tho. Or sorry that happened.
Stalker is a game made by Ukrainians, location is Chernobyl, which is in Ukraine. Why tf language spoken by npc should be russian and not ukrainian? xd
And you should not play games in English, because slave traders and colonialists spoke English. Also, the Americans dropped nukes on Japan, so don't speak American English.
A lot of these "haters" Have never played a vanilla stalker game. Most of them just played an Anomaly modpack and never touched the original trilogy.
Crying about the game is even more stupid followed by the fact that devs already confirmed mod support.
So, anything people won't like can be modded out, and wanted stuff modded in.
especially those who play Anomaly even though they knew the description of the mod says that it's only for those who have played the original trilogy, and then criticizing the mod for "a hard-to-understand/dull/boring/confusing storyline"... I've seen too much of these people in STALKER forums...
Except nobody is making any of these arguments, I've literally never seen anyone say this and I've been out on the Anomaly moddb page and in the Anomaly and the GAMMA discord for as long as any of those have been a thing.
@@HandleMyBallsRUclips Well idk where you've been living then.
@@HandleMyBallsRUclips it's mostly in new/unpopular posts. Just click on any Anomaly playthrough or STALKER trailer reaction video/stream of any mainstream youtuber/streamer, for example OperatorDrewski or xQc and chances are you'll see some Western dude, who's never played the original trilogy, shitting on STALKER or "THIS IS A TARKOV/FALLOUT KNOCKOFF HAHAHA GSC BIG L POG OMEGALUL"
nah bro you will not understand, in the italian version sidorovich is voiced by the same dude who voiced fuking GOKU and even fuking SPONGEBOB 💀💀💀
The Italian version of CoP also made Degtyarev American
@@cantgameright lol i forgot about this its true 💀💀
@@Frank-Micahfun fact, the guy who dubs Goku, Jonathan Joestar and SpongeBob in Brazil is the same.
Gamma fans going to be beside themselves when they get a functional weapon off of an enemy they killed and don't have to spent 400 hours stripping box springs down for parts to maintain their gun (it will break after firing 3 bullets)
True
I enjoy gamma but I turned weapon condition when found on dead bodies to be higher so I wouldn't have to deal with it as much 😭
I just hope they make repairing higher end weapons expensive so you don't get OP. The one thing I hoped they learned from the mods is how rewarding feeling like you're at the mercy of the zone to becoming the master of it is.
I also unironically loved the crafting in gamma. It made you value your weapons but obviously that's too hardcore to expect of a vanilla game.
STALKER 2 website confirms the game will have 2 voiced language options, either English or Ukrainian, and subtitles, full mod support, and eventual online co op. Everyone needs to chill
Chill?
It's taking them over a decade to make it
They at first claimed it was for xbox only (bill gates ❤️ Jeffery Epstein)
And now they are raising funds for the most corrupt country on earth.
Just make the game
Sell the game
Be normal
Focus
Don't get stupid
SIMPLE
Wait stalker 2's gonna have co-op???
It's a mainline stalker game. It's going to be CoP, but more features. It's not a goofy ah mod that makes you struggle for everything.
I'm a 100% certain that when Stalker 2 releases a lot of people will be screaming how GSC "dumbed down" the game for "casuals", because your character doesn't bleed out in 2 seconds from taking 1 damage to the foot and doesn't get stage 4 cancer after touching some irradiated trash for a millisecond. Honestly, some of these fuckers haven't actually played vanilla trilogy and don't know that they're not half as difficult as G.A.M.M.A. or Misery
The original trilogy still centered about atmosphere and inmersion but limited with tge tecnology of the time, and stalker 2 has the oportunity to evolve all its systema and take the best of modpacks and the original games
I think its a fair argument considering how many franchises DID dumb down their core mechanics for a more "Casual" audience. Monster Hunter on PC being on of the most glaring examples. But I also agree that many of these guys never actually played Vanilla so their perspectives are a bit skewed.
Exactly right
Stalker isn't "Stalker anomaly" or "Stalker gamma" it's the original Stalker trilogy. People better accept that before the release or this game will be bombarded with dumbass criticism
@@JannyBesmircher
Yeah but imo it's not fair to expect Stalker 2 to have stuff like parts, crafting/cooking, extreme difficulty or lack of supplies, radiated items or minimal story. As the original games weren't trying to be super hardcore survival sims
fair but what you're doing here in the end is gatekeeping, which the point of the video is to avoid, should just encourage people to play the original trilogy first and then afterwards play an overhaul mod tbh.
I actually like hearing it in Ukrainian with English subtitles OR hearing an English dub with an Ukrainian accent. I feel more "connected" to something unique, that way. Hearing it in perfect english like the way we yanks hear it everyday is kinda weird coz the zone don't sound like that. IMHO, only the Merc and UNI faction can get away with perfect english dubs but I'd still prefer they'd have a mix of accents befitting a mixed nationality group.
I honestly never expected Stalker 2 to be like Gamma tbh, I like Gamma because of the feeling of risk and reward the modpack revolves around of, and what I expect about Stalker 2 is to have the good things the past 3 games offer.
Well you played original games so you know that it's not hardcore survival/scavenger game, but there are people who have seen videos on RUclips by operatordrewski or others on mods, played them and never touched original trilogy, and expecting game of S2 to be like these mods because they have no clue thats its not what stalker games are actually about or envisioned by devs, plus side more people are brought into stalker, minus side only mods mostly covered, these RUclips content creators should really put some warning that its just a mod and do not represent actually Stalker game as devs envisioned, or at least they should play original trilogy and explain differences between trilogy style of gameplay and mods style.
@@Krahamus Yeah it would have helped with some people's confusion.
Frankly people speaking English in the zone just made sense to me. We know that there are non-Ukrainian and Russian Stalkers are in the zone, in particular the mercs are mentioned as primarily coming from the west, and because English is already the most common second language in the world, to me it made sense that Stalkers would use English as a lingua franca, especially in regards to traders. The thick slavic accents everyone had just added to the feeling that they're speaking a language that isn't their native one. I'm fine with Stalker 2 giving everyone generic American English accents because then the game will be more accessible to more people, but I'd personally prefer the accented English from the original trilogy.
Stalker 2 should be like Stalker. Hopefully with big mod support. But if it's just like Shadow of Chernobyl with modern graphics and my savefile not corrupting randomly i will be more than happy.
Yeah i feel like it doesn't even matter honestly if the game is good or not over all, story and mechanics wise. As long as the base is solid (the map+ promised mod support) over time the community will do even more with stalker 2 than they have with the older games
I... have not seen people like what you are describing.
At least not in communities like anomaly, gamma, efp.
People are pretty excited actually.
Closest thing to concerns that people (me included) have is loss/lack of atmosphere that original games had, because the way from first trailer to latest one, regarding visuals it seemed to go away from original trilogy 'feel'
Am I the only one to think that STALKER 2 actually seems to keep the atmosphere?
And if you look at the earlier trailers for the OG games, some of it looks like straight up Call of Duty. This new trailer is action-packed, but I still feel the atmosphere.
@@dmin5782 It's not like atmosphere ain't there. Just if you look at first trailer and latest one,the direction, it felt reduced/more generic looking. Not by much, but still. Hoping there won't be more artistic changes away before release.
On the other hand, if modding scene thrives, I'm sure there is going to be something for everyone, but game has to succeed first(at least among playerbase). And I myself sure hope that it does.
What loss of atmosphere though. The color palette of the originals is mostly preserved, so is the lighting compared to CoP and CS in interiors and exteriors. At most, texture resolution isnt poorly dated anymore, there is better godrays, shadows, and some interior light sources are handled better.
@@notubist Yeah, agreed. It looks to be the same atmosphere with WAYY better graphics.
@@notubist It more about game looking more unreal enginy is what I described.
Best explained in "Unreal Engine is Ruining Video Games" by ethereal pineapples
I never cared much about Stalker's Gameplay, I've always cared about atmosphere, environments because thats what make stalker stalker for me, so I don't really care if its like GAMMA or hardcore in any way.
I think there will be a bunch of people who are gonna be very upset when they find out stalker 2 isnt gonna have 2000 junk items, dozens of repair kits, 60 different healing items and traders tasking rookie stalkers to breach the cnpp to kill a monolith squad with a knife for a 50rubles and a pack of cigarettes while charging 500 for a bottle of water or NPC's only having absolutely trashed gear and weapons that works perfectly for them with infinite ammo till you kill them.
Dont get me wrong i dont have problems with anomaly misery and the likes but i dont think the devs intended the world to be that hard.
I just hope those ppl do not ruin the image of Stalker 2 with these kinds of reviews (if it turns out to be a true STALKER game)
I loved misery and anomaly. But fuck GAMMA that shit is aids.
Also, I would prefer STALKER 2 to be just like normal stalker.
I hope somebody is insane enough to make another stalkersoup.
People need to treat vanilla CoP as the baseline.
YES
For me, it's SoC, with the polish of CoP.
Thank you for making this. People need to realize this. Because I swear to God if they give this game bad reviews because "its not like gamma" I am going to be livid. PLAY THE ORIGINALS, NO MODS. Then if you want a more modern taste of what TRUE stalker is like, obviously get True Stalker mod.
True Stalker is really good
Dude you made GAMMA bigger than it actually is...
True It's a mod pack that helps with making the game better and more grindy in general but in it's heart it's just a mod that improves some graphics and makes the equipment and tool making a bit challenging and worth while.
In reality I think the guys who like gamma (me included) are the easiest to please, just give us a great visual experience and a solid equipment management system which is definitely what stalker 2 needs to have anyways, along with the other more important stalker elements.
Don't forget the customization of both Anomaly and GAMMA, add/or remove what you want, adjust sliders to your liking, if there is GAMMA elitism and gatekeeping, i don't get it, everyone plays GAMMA how they want, with the settings they chose. It's not Dark Souls where everyone is playing with the exact same difficulty settings, the complete opposite in fact
Maybe what people want... is the ability to choose how they want to play...
@@MICKEYrenraw
If you want to choose how to play then go play something else, that’s not what STALKER is. STALKER is a narrative driven survival horror game, it isn’t gearqueer Barbies simulator tarkov v2.
@@monkeymoment6478 STALKER is at it's best when it's not narrative driven, but when it's Alife system and emergence encounters catch the player off guard, i hope the devs of STALKER 2 know this, every time the OG 3 games force the player into a narrative scripted sequence it just feels like a sub par generic shooter. Besides all games should let players choose how they want to play, whether they want it easier or harder, more or less depth, games are never made worse by adding these options. Also "gearqueer Barbies" that's funny :)
@Neko Anomaly and GAMMA have blown up because people clearly want an open world survival horror experience, one that the original games hinted at so strongly, touched on a couple times even, when i first played SoC i was so excited to get to Pripyat, to explore and survive in it as long as i'd done the other regions, but that's not what the devs wanted, Pripyat was just a gauntlet zone to push through on the way to to the CPP, which just got worse there. But Anomaly and GAMMA let that potential shine, which, as i said is the reason why so many YTers have covered it, and both have immersion in spades. Don't misunderstand me, if you prefer story driven games then i believe you, but Stalker shines best when it's not being one, when it lets the player forge their own path and make their own narrative. You mark my words, if Stalker 2 focuses on story over immersive emergent survival horror, in an attempt to hit the big leagues AAA audience, the game will be considered too closely as a generic shooter and fans will fault it for it's lack of potential... until the mods that is :D
@Neko That's certainly true, if its not successful, and doesn't make it's money back, then what was the point. It's just a shame. As a comparison, it's like a mainstream horror game, it can't be too slow and tension building or some people will find it boring. It needs to be like the band U2 everybody likes them, nobody loves them. All that's hyperbole but you get my drift :) It has to be appealing to the largest demographic, which Anomaly and GAMMA fans generally aren't a part of. Regardless, i hope it does sell and the devs are successful from it
STALKER 2 is definitely going to be a different beast from all these mods people have become accustomed to. STALKER as a franchise is entirely different from it's stand alone mods.
y-you mean the game thats been in development almost as twice as long as gamma wont be the same as the only recently gamma mod!??!?!?! nooooo way *said the new stalker fan*
Lol new fans btfo. Sorry mil-sim retards this ain't gonna be a second Tarkov.
@@dogeprissy9850 tarkov is milsim? Are you braindead?
When stalker 2 will release a bunch of people will complain that its nothing like anomaly/gamma and its downgraded because dont have this and that, lots of people have never played original trilogy and have no clue that stalker is not hardcore survival game, some of them even think its a game dev released game and have no clue that its standalone mod, what makes it worse that RUclipsrs praise these mods but never mention other great mods like lost alpha, oblivion lost remake and bunch of others witch are great mods, so its automatically make these people think that stalker is hardcore tarkov single player game with mutants, stalker 2 will definitely not play how anomaly/gamma plays its always been story driven game.
i saw a youtuber reacting to the trailer saying “i don’t like the hud. maybe that’s just the stalker purist in me” when every stalker game had hud enabled by default and thought the blind guy could be eidolon… it’s embarrassing. i love gamma but at least play SOC if you’re gonna talk about what stalker is about.
Oh no... I hope that person gets to play the OG story and just have a little laugh at what they said in that reaction.
English with an ukranian accent would've been incredible
it was always a immersive F U simulator. but we, as fans, along these past 10 years, found entire new realms of F U simulation. i just hope its heavily 'moddable'. like, many franchises have such strictly build engines that funnel modding possibilities nowadays, to try to keep the money tied to the content they output themselves, that it will probably trully F the community. so we can transform STALKER 2 in GAMMA, or EFP, or Gunslinger or Last Day, or what ever without having to literally rebuild the engine outside the game, wich is very unlikely to happen again.
Stalker is a 1 in 1000 games wich for sure, is only alive to this day because of its fanbase. and i really think that no AAA game can become what years of modding can alone.
I mean Stalker 2 wont be like GAMMA.
But Stalker 2 can have a GAMMA 2 mod 🤷♂️
S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 will be made in unreal engine, so it will be easier to make than in the xray engine which was a mess.
@@SoundTrackJ I really hope so. 🙏
I will 100% be making it as much like gamma as possible.
@@SoundTrackJ Do you expect vr mods to be a thing because of ue5? i read that in xray engine wouldnt have been possible.
Pretty sceptical because the original dev team got fucked over by the ceo, quit the company and then made metro so the people who made og stalker are mostly gone.
Metro isn't that hard
@@J77199 who claimed that? What is this comment
@@hungryhedgehog4201 ok but metro isn't that hard
Yea, Metro ain't that hard bruh
Am I wrong for wanting to hear a trailer in its native language with objectively better voice acting ?
especially after the other crazy good trailers we got.
Yes
I mean I don't mind it being in english at all! I just wish they had at least an slavic accent, since its really odd when you're walking into the Zone and everyone sounds like they're from Norfolk UK. The only other "complain" I have is that the lighting feels less gloomy, but eh overall I'm still pretty fuckin hyped.
they had Ukrainian accents in the "Enter the zone" trailer so I don't really know what to expect other than a mix.
@@EugegeSledgehammer Yeah thats why I was confused. Only one I found it really odd was Doc; since in SoC he has an accent but in the trailer he sounds a lot more western.
Your arguments about the voice acting is so off.
In Witcher they speak like they are in medieval ages, Metro uses accents. Game of Thrones has accents for made up languages.
This is kinda a industry standard in high quality videogames, movies and shows.
The choice to use English accents/actors with merits from Hollywood was probably not made by the most passionate people over at GSC, I would bet most people would prefer unknown Ukrainian voice actors with their accents, regardless if S2 was a game, show or movie. Especially since the last decade (2014).
So why choose to argue the worst possible strawman version of the arguments ?
The reason Super Mario/Dark Souls/Elden Ring GOTY/GAMMA/Tarkov/Warzone/Fortnite, just rogue-like/lites in general exists, is because a lot of people don't want to sit in a rail wagon just enjoying the view.
You make it sound like it's a few trolls in a basement looking for pain, again worst possible strawman argument.
The real discussion is, look at how modding can make a game last for decades and how it shows what players really want out of a game and SADLY how uncommon it is REGARDLESS of what you like the game to be.
I would go so far and argue that Steam, the global leading store for PC gaming and what many would say revived PC gaming would not exists if Half-Life 1 was not moddable.
I just want an atmospheric experience that rewards exploration and has good gunplay. I'm not expecting Gamma. I just hope to enjoy whatever the devs are delivering. I'm sure at some point there will be a spiritual successor to Gamma within Stalker 2's modding community.
i doubt. xray engine is junk, no doubt, but the stalker community has turned it into something unimaginable, given the leaked sdk and almost completely open source code of the game they literally rebuilt the engine maybe not from scratch, but very close. same thing will not work with ue5. there will be some basic mods for sure, but total conversion like CoC/Anomaly/GAMMA? nah.
@OxOOOO1337 Well let's hope it doesn't need it I suppose.
@@OxOOOO1337Total conversion mods are possible with Unreal, it depends how much freedom devs give to the moding community, look at games like squad, they have star wars mod with everything custom made, and they even gave license to they're SDK to make ww2 type game called post scriptum before, i think it called squad 44 now, so if GSC after releasing all dlc and everything will give full SDK source people will able to change anything.
You know what as long as they have options to pick what you want I'm good. Options are good.
Also options for mods and free roam like Anomaly.
@@levi_exiled8579 you can free roam in the OG games all you want.
About the first one, the dubbing: The original game's English dub had a very clear attempt at a Ukr/Rus accent, which the new one clearly doesn't, it had loads of Rus/Ukr voicelines AND having played it in the late 2000s I can easily tell you mods that allowed you to use the original dub were widely available and some of the most basic ones you got alongside with the mods that fixed the gun's names and bugs/crashes, all three pretty much essential to the game experience. Your argument here that "Oh the vanilla game at the time was like this therefore it's good like this" is bs cause that's the same as arguing for the game to have mirrored gun models, fake gun names and crashing every 5 minutes! Stalker Vanilla experience for you!
Even incredibly iconic lines like the the Monolith's ground shaking 'idi ko mne' were never heard by anyone in any other language other than Russian (yes that line is in Russian) and sadly dubbed in this trailer, so like...let people hate things?
(Also the subtitles argument lmao >Stupid American much? I personally am literate and have no issues with subtitles)
On the second argument although I agree with your observation about mods like G.A.M.M.A. and Misery becoming an egotrip for masochists and the brilliant egocentric x Alocentric design anecdote I also think it's a hell of a stretch to say Stalker wasn't always a F.U. simulator in a way: it always has. Don't believe me (even tho I played the vanilla games back in the day and replayed them recently) just check out contemporary reviews, Yahtzee's Zero Punctuation on Clear Sky pretty much defines it. I think the one thing the games brilliantly translates from the book and the movie is humanity's insignificance and specially YOUR insignificance as a stalker and that is done through a unforgiving and brutal world and gameplay, the wheel of fortune is spinning and you're tied to to it by the neck. Diluting that aspect no matter how much is destroying stalker's essence from its core and it really seems to be the direction they're going from the trailer.
Great reading into the trailer speech tho, that meaning went right by me.
The trailers for the original Stalker games didn't showcase the hardcore aspect either.
So assuming that Stalker 2 is gonna "dilute" that aspect from trailers alone is just plain dumb.
@@alter9933 It's not dumb but It's a stretch that's for sure
"Maybe I'm reading too much into this" No, you're not. This has been discussed to the death in the stalker subreddit, with the gatekeepers "disappointed" the game is not gonna be "insert favourite mod" even though most features present in those mods were not in the original game.
As long as the game retains the atmosphere of the originals with modern ammenities added will be a big win for me. Other than that mod it yourselves!
ong, the devs just need to retain the visuals and atmosphere for it to be "S.T.A.L.K.E.R" the modders will eventually come later to deliver a more personalized experience like the countless mods there is for the previous games... people fail to realize all of this nowadays
Gatekeepers gatekeeping and calling other people gatekeepers.
Ironic, also I've never seen any of these supposed "Gamma defenders" actually. Everyone on the subreddit is too busy shitposting or telling new players to piss off. It's a congregation of very sad, pathetic and smelly neckbeards.
i want horror atmosphere and i am sure in the future the game will be moddable like the og stalker i even wish they can go steam workshop mode and allow us to post mods there
Honestly my interpretation of the monologue is just, the game is set 10 years after the events of SoC/CoP. With monolith (faction) no longer being the keepers of the center of the zone after being broken / destroyed by the deactivation of c-con. The zone is now in the hands / governed by "everyday" stalkers. However if you believe c-con was telling the truth in SoC and the zone is a scar on the noosphere after mans attempt to tamper with it, it wouldn't simply go away by destroying the gate keepers. As it may just be a fact of the planet, or take extensive time to heal much like how the real Chernobyl disaster has left the area uninhabitable for many hundreds or thousands of years. The last bit just pointing out the futility of all the stalkers who died trying to break through to the center of the zone and when it finally happened it ultimately accomplished nothing.
As for do I think it should be as you put it a "fuck you simulator" ... Yes and no.
No because ultimately by having a "fuck you simulator" game your gonna appeal to a smaller audience and a smaller audience means fewer sales, and a game that doesn't sell doesn't get even more games. Bills have to be payed, and with the delays caused by the war relocation of staff, loss of property, they are fighting a uphill battle and this could very much sink or swim any future endeavors. Games of this size are fairly expensive to make. I also find that the time dilation tends to make most "survival elements" somewhat too aggressive because 1 minute of play time is 6-ish minutes in game, so stopping every 30 minutes to eat and drink kind gets annoying if I just wanna play the game and do a deep raid or something.
Yes, because that's the type of game I'd like to play, I don't think it SHOULD be that, but I'd be happy if it was that. The internet is opinionated, and gamer are even more so, I want them to make the game they want to make... and if it happens to be a bit rough around the edges, if its unapologetic, if its challenging, if it's cthulhu in a tracksuit glassing you in a dark alley way... I think i'd be just fine with that.
The problem isn’t it being in English it’s just everyone sounds like their from England 😂
Bible movies have been this way for decades.
@@TacShooter That doesn't mean it should be like that.
It doesn't matter anyway as long as you can change the voice language separately.
The thing with voiceacting is that in old S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games. You had english, but with slavic accent. But in the trailer.. it was just english.
Mixed accents in the trailers!
won't be like GAMMA and thats OK, thats all.
Im not really part of the community and only played original vanilla games.
I liked them all and I'm looking forward to Stalker 2 but I dislike its visual direction. Not sound like a hipster, but SoC with its low graphics and its atmosphere created perfect feel of utterly alien environment, one that's so uncaring its beyond hostile. CS and CoP felt rather crowded, civilised almost, as if the zone became colonized and humanised. SoC is the only game where it created perfect sense of break off from civilization, true sense of alien wilderness where humans aren't there permanently, more so passing by
Exactly. I like the khargness, the roughness and the paleness (is this even a word?) of SoC
If you want even more dead and barren experience try lost alpha mod, they take old zones and implemented custom story and a bunch of other things, its great to see zones like cordon, garbage different from oblivion lost build, but with updated graphics, but if you want to experience how originally stalker would look and play try oblivion lost remake.
@@Krahamus Goldsphere aswell
@@martinthedrainedsedlak exactly or wind of time, its quite unstable but also very good story driven mod
@@Krahamus dunno, I tried Lost Alpha once, I think it doesn't really have the feel of SoC
very unbiased and non-political video, regarding the topics author clearly understands
Hahaha, fr
stalker 2 gonna be like "true stalker" end of the story.
whit improved gameplay and probably better story righting but yeah XD
And no bullshit railroading through the most Bethesda-esque means
this will be a stalker game, not a stalker mod simple as that.
It's what GSC laid out for us, their visions in the design documents and the various builds along the way that has shaped what S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is, and through the lense of which it should be considered and viewed. I'm glad to say that it was Shadow of Chernobyl (which genuinely has atmosphere and character, but not in the hollow and superficial way that so many parrot on about), umolested and unaltered, not even with bug fixes, that I keep coming back to. And as such I've always considered mods to be secondary, separate, but still inherently linked to the trilogy, and many are just too far from the source for me to enjoy them or find any investment.
But as for others, the community has been diluted with hordes of newcomers with wild expectations and often no regard for the original games (thanks to some "tactical" youtube "personalities" and tonnes of buzzword marketing), and have set the modding scene on a course that is exponentially divergent from what S.T.A.L.K.E.R. tangibly is. While we've always had fringe mods, like schizophrenic russian soups to inventory management simulators coated with a load of artificial difficulty and poor machine translations as a cherry on top, but now the people who came for Tarkov mixed with DayZ who often haven't so much as wasted the bandits in the Cordon car park are here in such force that S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s digital presentation, public perception and the expectations and desires people have of it are now very warped and their opinions especially strong and pretentious.
And it's these things which I think are inherently detrimental to the community, the direction of X-ray mods and its playerbase, and ultimately what S.TA.L.K.E.R.'s legacy is shaping up to be. As much as I pray it does, I don't think that this phenomenon and trend of mods will go away or recede, even in the light of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2. in which it might only be exacerbated. And I despise this; I, enjoy many hardcore survival games and hardcore shooters, as well as all sorts of other games, but I don't want to see them mushed together into a grey, soulless goop with no individuality, no uniquity. I want to enjoy each game for what they are and what makes them special, but you cannot taste the special addition in the soup if there's a million other ingredients. Thank you for addressing this - it's very refreshing to find more people who aren't blinded by the curtain of fad mods and buzzwords, who still value S.T.A.L.K.E.R. for what it truly is. Cheers.
Agree with you man . Many people were also claiming if the stalker 2 isn't according to their expectations. They gonna mod it and they also said they gonna make anomaly 2 and gamma 2 and yes i guess stalker 2 will also suffer the same fate as the previous stalker games
Idk man I prefer if the base game were a lot more like Stalker Shadow of Chernobyl and the modders made Anomaly 2 and Gamma 2. It’s always nice to see the community truly shape the games and make versions they preferred and considering this game will have full mod support at launch it makes me excited to see the community do it again. But nonetheless I do see what you mean it does feel like they’re a bit out of touch when they choose to stay in the same direction rather than go to directions a big chunk of the fanbase has gone to.
@@psychofroggy8062 Anomaly 2 won't be a thing since Stalker 2 will already have 90% of what Anomaly was made for, save for the Metro Assets, misery item bloat and needlessly complex repair system. Anomaly is less of a real "mod" and more of a platform for it, if you understand what I mean, and only people who knows nothing about Stalker and it's modding culture think there will be. The guys who made it will go on to their own respective projects later that will likely be totally different than Anomaly when Stalker 2 comes out. And don't get me started on Gamma, it's an insult to the modding community and sets a dangerous precedent for modding going forth. Luckily there won't be any such mod for some time for Stalker 2 since that protesting, jobless, lazy frog-eating cunt won't have anything to shamelessly steal, and other people will make better and actually respectable hardcore survival mods before then, however detached from Stalker they may be. You may be playing Stalker 2 because it came on special or because you want to play a discount DayZ and Tarkov, not Stalker, but at least the modding community surrounding it will be organic and healthy for a good while before someone figures out how to fuck it up for everyone.
@@psychofroggy8062 I also disagree with the notion of mods shaping the game. Stalker is Stalker, and mods are mods. They are distinctly separate things that are linked, but they are not the same in any measure. Which is why I also spit at the implication that GSC should abandon their own vision for Stalker 2 and cater to the new blood who only want to make Stalker more like their favourite survival shooter games, not get more of Stalker. People are welcome to enjoy what mods they like, but the second that they start to insinuate that mods should have any bearing on what GSC does and what Stalker is, then they can quite explicitly and unequivocally fuck right off.
its wild how we went from "mods let u tailor the experience to your taste" to "this is how the game should be played and if ur not down with hoarding 15 items to make one functioning weapon you dont deserve to enjoy stalker"
"Waaaaah the trailer is in english it breaks the immersion wwaaah" mfs when i lock them into a room filled with fruit punch anomalies:
Whatever will STALKER 2 look like on release. If someone will be disappointed by some thing, Then just remember that there will be mods to come. To make the zone in our image, after our likenes.
People complain about the trailer being in English? They do realize you can select a language in almost any game including stalker right…
fully voicing all dialogue limits quest design/player interaction. Immersion is a fine tradeoff
real
Legit all I ask for is a sandbox do whatever you want element like Anomaly, or the ability to start without the story. I love going around the zone doing random shit and not being pushed about by a story overhead.
That’s not what STALKER is. STALKER has a story, it isn’t a free-roam Tarkov.
@@monkeymoment6478 I do not care, i simply won't play it if they remove the sandbox elements I've come to hold dear. Sorry, not sorry.
@@Endgunner you can still test the sandbox
But the story will still be there tho
@@astalkerfreedom567 Source?
@@Endgunner what chu mean source?
All the original stalker games were like that
You can still roam around and test the sandbox but there's still a story in it
Did you even play the original stalker game?
its really weird to me people think it will be like modded versions of the first games
I don't know from playing gamma after all the games, and the Expedition Mod Gamma definitely doesn't feel just challenging to yourself; it feels like it makes the zone more challenging to everyone, AI included. As for Stalker 2, I understand wanting to be able to play in Russian but have English subtitles. I would love that, but as an option, and I hope in the end, Stalker 2 will be all about choices and customization
I like GAMMA but i hope Stalker 2 will be stalker and bring to me same feelings as first ever launch of Shadow of Chornobyl 15 years ago
Yeah same here! I always post my "Grok is the man" posts whenever I can though I play my own version of Stalker I modded over the years. Gamma is brilliant but as Can't Game Right says it well in this video....GSC made Stalker in their view of this game and Gamma is Grok's.
@@dealwolfstriked272Same Same, I really hope it is going to be a revitalized yet familiar experience to the originals.
Trilogy > Anomaly, EFP, every single mod > gamma
(my opinion)
Nah
@@J77199 This is my opinion.
@@boardante8454 He is a gamma fan, he's as independantly thinking as a monolith soldier
for all the GAMMA / EFP fan boys,
GAMMA /EFP hugely different from the original games, GAMMA / EFP is 5 God damn Overhauls for Call of Pripyat, ((GAMMA / EFP ) 》(Anomaly) 》(Last Day) 》(Call of Misery) 》(Call of Chernobyl)) for Call of Pripyat,
Stalker 2 may probably adopt some stuff, but it won't be a offline Takov game.
Thank god. I hate how so many of the new players are tarkov larpers who have never played a stalker game and jump straight into anomaly like its single player tarkov
@@a.zhe.2160 also Stalker 2 will be an Xbox exclusive and Xbox players can't deal with millions of useless items management especially during combat
@@a.zhe.2160 What is stalker at its core, really? Gameplay wise it's dogshit and the story/atmosphere is what makes stalker, stalker. Customizable weapons, armors, etc. doesn't make the game any less Stalkerish. The only reason people think it does are the fact they're assets ripped from other games. The only thing not Stalkerish from an Anomaly/Gamma perspective is the traders and Survival elements...which could easily be a gamemode option.
People really think it’s gonna be like gamma??
They don't.
Facts man! I think every Stalker fans needs to hear this before Stalker 2 comes out, because there really is this misconception that Stalker is a super hard core survival game first and foremost in the community and if things don't change Stalker 2 will be bombarded by alot stupid and unreasonable hate...
I really do not want Stalker 2 to fail because of dumb reasons like this if it's a bad game (untruthful to the original trilogy), then I'm fine with it getting hate, but I do not want GSC to get hate for making an actual true Stalker game despite all their troubles and the community destroying their hard work with negative reviews
People seem to forget that the original stalker games were the kind that had you running at incredible speeds, instantly using meds and gunning down dozens of enemies, where guns were easy to get and maintain and there was no crafting. Those were things the community thought of and while they have their place it doesn't mean that Stalker 2 needs them. People didn't originally fall in love with Gamma, they fell in love with Shadow of Chernobyl or in my case Call of Pripyat, but now some people think "Stalker" means "Gamma"
For me, Clear Sky was the best of the three (with mods of course) and Anomaly being my other favorite.
SoC had the best atmosphere but worst performance, no weapons correcting mods (ejection ports, charging handles, selector switches, and ballistics) not being found after searching on and off for years. CS has gunslinger. Anomaly has broomsticks and sharp sticks coupled with other mods that change the health bars, add eating and drinking animations, and healing animations with different ones for each med.
Yeahh when I play the mod packs I always remember the days of the original games where It wasn't as tactical heavy.
Love those games, but gamma is always fun as well.
A lot of Gamma is rather tedious, but it all adds to an experience that has had a lot of thought put into it, and you either like it or you don't. One thing that should be beyond dispute is that Gamma has some pretty great gunplay, probably the best of any Stalker mod out there. I don't think it's a stretch to argue that after Gamma's massive spike in popularity, Stalker 2 has to have gunplay that is on par or better than it. From the looks of things from the latest trailer, the gunplay looked a little clunky, though obviously we won't know how it really feels until we get to play it ourselves. At any rate, GSC have promised that the modding tools will be available at launch so however the game is in its default state, within a few months there should be enough mods available for everyone to tailor the experience to their own preferences.
I guess my assessment wasn't fair to what I think are Gamma's merits. Grok has been incredibly important to the STALKER modding scene and I hope he continues. I think at the end of the day he and I don't intersect on the important aspects of what makes a challenge fun. I get a lot of my enjoyment in games from using a diverse range of equipment, which in default gamma is a pretty rough time!😅
The problem is there are no slavic accents, it just sounds off going to Ukraine and hearing pristine english
With how many fireign mercenaries are in Ukraine now, it is actually lore friendly lmao.
@@fs5866 Only if the war would be in any way representend ingame. And it is doubtfull that in stalker 2 lore war in Ukraine would be canon. At best it would be after the war, otherwise it won't exist, or by like it was with previous games, the world outside the Zone will be almost totally unmentioned.
English With Russian accent it's even worse
I caught slavic accents in the "Enter the Zone" trailer. It's going to be a very big game with many characters, so I haven't seen enough to jump to conclusions on the voice acting.
@@cantgameright we will see, it will be a good game even if it doesn't have them, its just a thing i noticed that feels weird if you know what i mean
As long as modding will allow people to transform Stalker 2 (on PC at least), into their preferred experience like Gamma, I'm hopeful there won't be any major issues beyond how ambitious it'l actually be to mod.
I love the fact that it doesn't is like GAMMA, i love gamma but if i want to play something like gamma i just play gamma
Some people were Blinded And expected S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 To be Like Anomaly or Gamma Because most people Have Mostly Played Modded Stalker Such as Anomaly and Never Even Touch The Original Trilogy.
I'm upset about the lack of eastern european accents more than anything.
We've heard mixed accents in the trailers
Yeah it's the American and British accents that I can't get on board with. It makes me feel like I'm not in The Zone
bro eastern european accents are not life of boris accents like in cop
@@grzyb11 to be honest it's probably just going to make me play the game in Ukrainian with English subtitles which I'm actually really excited for
As Ukrainian, I actually hated "eastern european" accent in STALKER trilogy english localization the second I've heard it. It just sounds silly.
I think and I hope that GAMMA/Anomaly/EFP/insert-hardcore-STALKER-mod,...will NEVER become the benchmark for future development of STALKER. What I, without the lack of a better word, despise about the new generation of STALKER players is that these hardcore FU-simulator have warped their perception of what STALKER is all about: a miserable Slavic survival shooter.
While the OG trilogy does have those elements, they were never the focal points of the games. Instead they all tell a story about the insatiable curiosity of man and their efforts to comprehend, study, destroy, escape or profit off of something so unnatural and otherworldly that it breaks reality as we know it. Unfortunately, these concepts have been distorted and "perverted" into "Hurr durr, my immersion, my survival roleplay with my cool-OC-no-steal", evident with how Anomaly treats its story, or the lack thereof.
What I'm worried about are the system requirements and some shady rumors about Sergei Grigorovich's business practices but ultimately, I have hope for the sequel and its story, hardcore-survival/immersion or not.
Wish I could like your comment more than once comrade. Keep it up!
people that never played vanilla complaining about stalker not being like gamma (the only stalker they ever played) fries my brain
@@grzyb11I don't like being that type of guy but,whoever complain the og trillogy being not like gamma and gamma is their only thing they play and never touch the og trillogy are not true stalker fans,never try to judge if you never try the og trilogy
@@Mi_tala those who play GAMMA and only GAMMA are still stalker fans, they tend to enjoy stalkers lore, universe, many of its gameplay elements, etc.
It the world building and lore that people find fascinating and engaging, the story from the original trilogy is quite simple.
I don’t mind the trailers being in English.
What bothers me is that It doesn’t have the exaggerated Slav accents, like Metro or the previous games had
Yeah I'm gonna learn Ukrainian just so I can hear the southern Russian accents
Steve Blum doesn't exactly have the most authentic Slavic accent either, tbf
yes, stalker needs funny accents like the freedom trader in clear sky and the bandits
Cmon man, the "come to me" line would be so cool in russian. Weve all heard it bazillion times, fighting through the cnpps interior. Im pretty sure theres gonna be russian audio option same as in metro. But they could have made atleast that one line as we all know it. Would be a great opening to a great trailer.....
I get ya, but I don't think we'll ever get a dub in russian. I just uploaded a video going into that, but in short, there's just too much trauma in Ukraine that is tied to the russian language. Personally, I hadn't heard the Ukrainian dub until I played radiophobia 3, and I think that one is much better than the russian one.
@@cantgameright They dont really want russia anywhere mentioned in the game huh.
@@plainpivilage8051 Hard to want anything to do with russia when they've launched the biggest war of our current millennium against you with the clear intent to conquer.
They even changed the name of the game because of politics.
@@SavageHunter1112 "because of politics" 🤦♂️
I mean all of that aside... My biggest fear and complaint I can see from all of these trailers is... It looks railroaded. Corridors. All of the environments shown looks walled in. Even the outdoor ones look like arenas. Im afraid this is going to be more of a Metro game and not a STALKER game. Thats not bad... but its not what im looking for when I think of a STALKER game. I loved all of the Metro Games. Ill still play it, but if it is a Metro, Ill be pretty disappointed.
i think they just show those areas bc more intense combat plus shows off shadows and godrays, etc
@@LilTachanka I can only hope, but all I have is what is shown. I refuse to give any benefit of the doubt till I see otherwise.
@@0dd594 if they change the OG formula then it's just not stalker is it, I think gsc understands that
BUT I WANT CALL OF MISERY WITH WINTER SNOW MOD AND WEAPON PACK #573 IN UNREAL ENGINE DAMNIT WHY WON'T YOU GIVE ME WHAT I REQUEST
I don't hate people who like gamma but at this point %90 of stalker content that is English is gamma. I know someone is going to say you can't force people to change that they like but still as someone who doesn't care about gamma it is just getting annoying and dry and all I want to see a more mod vertity I not asking people to stop playing gamma . Also look at the Russian community and see how many different mods are released and played all with the own story, side quests, characters and also often times have there own maps
So why can't the English community do the same ?
At this point i Play Gamma as if it was just a survival shooter set in the zone, it's nothing like the original games, it doesn't have that beautiful mystic atmosphere that can be felt in SoC especially
In the western community of stalker, is just copy-paste of escape of tarkov mods srly, at this point is just so blurry between the line of an milsim and tacticool tarkov type.
I mean, the eastern community are just creative about making mods, and seeing people mad about those mods because "it's not like stalker" or "it's not realistic" is just the dumbest thing a person could say ever, we're talking about an sci-fi fps shooter that's not even realistic to begin with lol
Not actually, check out the c-con spreadsheet and moddb for English mods that aren’t gamma!
At the end of the day, All I want from Stalker 2 is a fun game, and a solid base that GSC can be proud of. If there is a solid base, then all the mods & additional translations will come in time and everybody can have their tailored Stalker 2 experience's.
I don't mind english voice at all. I just want it to be like the cheeky breeky fake accents like the original games had. Not a damn smooth american accent in the trailer, it just feels SO off.
Probbably for the english speaking audience, no chance the game will be ENG only.
The original audio dialog was NOT in english, that was added later by modders.
either way its the worlds most spoken language why the hell would they not make it in English?
@@lostwizardcat9910 I didn't say they shouldn't make an English option.... So what are you talking about?
@@Montestuma just throwing my 2 cents into the topic, not trying to attack you or anything chill.
Dude, game got localized to a ton of places, im playing soc in polish right now and the way it got localized is hilarious. Certain dialogues were properly dubbed and a lot are just a guy in monotone reading text playing over the original audio lmao. Thats how a lot of shit used to get localized here. Game was very much released in english for english markets
@@lostwizardcat9910 Mandarin is the world's most spoken language
Thats why Call Of Chernobyl was the best Free Play Mod, Anomaly, Gamma and EFP are just too hardcore
Imagine metro without Russian accents.. it would not be the same.
The game can still be in English, that’s fine for accessibility reasons, but the accents are key to holding the immersion.
I think it's a fair point in regards to the accents, but I'm not concerned because we know it's going to be a massive game and we already heard eastern accents in the "Enter the Zone" trailer. I think we have to see more.
No reason to riff on Gamma like that, otherwise I mostly agree.
I like the franchise’s setting and atmosphere. But I’m most looking forward to what modders can do.
good luck with that on unreal
@@iijay_
Unreal 5 has mod support. What are you talking about?
Anomaly modders created a masterpiece on an engine held together with duct tape and super glue.
After playing modded Anomaly for 3 years, im not at all worried about STALKER 2 being good. It will be good. It WILL be very different from what im used too 100% and im very ready for that. Its time for change of feel in the zone. A feel made by the people who gave us the games in the first place. Anomaly wouldnt exist if the og triliogy didnt. Im hyped to see what they have created, no matter how different it is from the world ive tailiored for myself. Again, its time for a change of pace.
as much as im not a fan of anomaly and gamma,im glad the franchise got the attention it deserved,that if the sequel is actually good
The only gatekeeping snobs I run across are those who insist you play the originals before you can be considered a stalker fan.
So do you consider someone who haven't played the original games and have no idea about their contents a fan? Reading a fanfiction doesn't make a fan of the original book. There is nothing gatekeepy about that.
They're not wrong at all, the criticism's thrown at STALKER 2 (If it doesn't suck), from people that have only played GAMMA, EFT, ANOMALY and other CoC adjacent modpacks, won't be applicable in that the game itself NEEDS to be compared purely to it's predecessors. A lot of these modpacks focus on things that STALKER's really not about, the tarkovisation of STALKER especially, not to say they're bad or anything, but a lot of peoples false expectations are going to be crushed and it's sort of on themselves.
Aww, you realize no one wants to play a tarkov knockoff?
Seems as if some of the comments didn't watch the video at all.
Stalker 2, like the original trilogy, will probably be a foundation for everyone to add their own quirks and mechanics.
It's not the end of the world if your hyper complex repair mechanic isn't in the base game, when mod support exists and its possible to add whatever is possible to fit your ideal game.
Obviously its not going to be like that on day 1, but giving the player base time to cook up some solid mods with a solid game foundation is the best way to support modding when it comes to game dev.
Also PERU MENTIONED
This really summed up a lot of my feelings over mods like GAMMA and put words to exactly why I'm not keen on them - as you said, allocentric vs egocentric challenge / difficulty. I want to spend as much time as possible getting properly immersed in the Zone as a living, breathing place, with its surprisingly complex interactions and ecologies. I don't want to spend 90% of my time slotting armour inserts, or repairing weapons because the spawned weapons are artificially degraded, or dealing with an economy that's deliberately tuned in opposition to the player.
I can't believe I'm saying this for the 20000000th time but YOU CAN LITERALLY TWEAK THE SETTINGS TO MAKE WEAPONS DROP IN HIGHER CONDITION
YOU CAN ALSO ACTIVATE TRADER OVERHAUL TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THE INTENDED ECONOMY OF GAMMA
I literally do not know how I can make this more simple for you, there are settings, fucking get out there and change them, it's not that hard.
@@HandleMyBallsRUclips Thing is, not all of those settings work at all or as intended, and the ones that do still don't revert the gameplay balance to anything like vanilla STALKER.
Also, drop the tone, man.
No one wants a tarkov knockoff.
The reason is simple. GAMMA is a modpack for Anomaly.
Anomaly is not STALKER. It's a modpack for STALKER.
Modception.
The thing is, if you can embrace the fact that STALKER is so vast and loved that it branches out into completely different things, then you can enjoy stuff like GAMMA to the fullest while still being excited for official STALKER 2.
I have no problem with it, if I want stalker two to play like gamma I will just wait a few years, because I am sure there are modders that will put together a gamma 2 experience.
GAMMA is a modpack of Anomaly, which is a standalone modded Call of Chernobyl, which is a standalone version of modded Call of Pripyat which is a sequel to Shadow of Chernobyl.
@@aryabratsahoo7474sequel to clear sky*
@@cralo2569 nope, CoP is indeed the SoC's sequel. CS is SoC's prequel, mate 😁
Honestly its a good thing that it wont be like Gamma, there are hundreds of Stalker mods out there with varying gameplay and everyone prefers different mods, me personally i dont like Gamma.
couldn't put it better.
Yes because G.A.M.M.A is the only mod or version of stalker in existence. There is no other version or mod of stalker that holds a candle to the almighty. G.A.M.M.A 🤓
Gamma is by far the best stalker experience
@@undergroundvideos1732 I would argue that any mod or game that is going to provide you with more content to play, is the best stalker experience. Stalker 2 is going to be more stalker plain and simple.
@@undergroundvideos1732 depend how you want to play if you into sandbox play than yah sure its good, but there is more good mods like lost alpha, oblivion lost remake etc...witch is more story driven
@@undergroundvideos1732You may enjoy it but the Gamma mod-pack for Anomaly is definitely not the best stalker experience out there. Even vanilla Anomaly is better than that over-packed and overrated modpack.
@@undergroundvideos1732 ehhh... nah
Yeah, what S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is, is simply the three original games. The community, while amazing at points and insufferable at others, have allowed for a wide variety of experiences that one can engage with, and I think that's a part of the charm. If you want to change something, you can, and you can tailor your own experience to your liking.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. stories that are shared and remembered between players aren't how much you had to grind to get all the weapon parts in GAMMA, or how you forgot to load magazines before an encounter in EFP, its the stories that come naturally from A-Life and your character being in the right spot at the right time, and engaging with the world. Just look at all the popular videos with the various modpacks for the OG games, COC, and Anomaly; they aren't the ones that go in depth into modded mechanics, but instead the ones that show unique, unscripted moments in the world.
I greatly enjoy the original 3 games with their respective community patches and FOV fixes, and I've also greatly enjoyed their revamps (MOTZ, ABR, etc.). For the freeplay choices, I love the experience that Dr X gave us before his passing with Call of the Zone, with some animation adjustments that suite my taste, for my more narratively driven freeplay characters in a modified Call of Chernobyl, and I love the story and warfare mode combination presented with Old World Addon Redux for Anomaly that allows for a weird mix of OG and new that is amazing for me. My preferences for playing the OG games and my choices for freeplay experiences doesn't make my engagements or view on S.T.A.L.K.E.R. any more or less valid than someone else's.
There is definitely something to be said about the death of the author with each player's unique engagement with the franchise.
With that being said, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 will not be GAMMA 2, EFP 2, OWA 2, CotZ 2, or anything like that. It will be what it will be as GSC intends, and the community will once again shape it into different experiences that they want their S.T.A.L.K.E.R. to be.
I am happy that it is coming to consoles though, as that will allow for an even wider audience to engage with this franchise and it's auxiliary material.
This is a great attitude to have and I wish it was more widespread in the community.
Tbf the game has full support of modding, in other words, i believe its only matter of time to somehow "port" the mechanics of GAMMA (weapon parts-repairing for example) to the STALKER 2.
Which would absolutely be a great thing for the game. Don't let me make you think that it won't!
Someone make stalkersoup 2
What were experiencing is the Tarkov effect. A lot of survival game streamers and youtubers have popularized mods like anomaly, EFP and gunslinger which all bring the game closer to EFT style experiences. Most haven't even tried to play one of the games story modes, because they jump head first into anomaly. IMO the open world stalker mods have their place and are amazing, but I always get bored of them after a few hours.
I'd venture to say that Gunslinger Call of Pripyat is the most enjoyable and faithful STALKER experience I've had. That is a just about PERFECT way to play Call of Pripyat and I can't wait for the Clear Sky Gunslinger... any day now, lol!
YES DUDE. The way it added the gun realism but over the story fit so well. That was actually my most recent playthrough of COP.
Gamma is probably the most popular, but it still has a story and implements gaming mechanics like crafting. It’s much harder and slower paced but has a better feel than the original games.
@@robforskinstein I forgot that one. There's so many. I really gotta try gamma
Tarkov could have been Great if we could played solo
one of my friends told me if its nothing like gamma then hes not playing it. i really get annoyed when i hear people say that. stalker gamma is a MOD not a game itself. its a collection of mods built up over YEARS. so no stalker 2 will NOT be anything remotely close or similar to stalker gamma. however we may get things like that if the modders come together again to build experiences like that. personally i think stalker 2 will be awesome and i plan on buying it and playing through it.
I am an addict of anomaly, but I love the first 3 games as they were, with some minor touch ups to guns and visuals, all stalker 2 needs to be a damn good game, is an interesting story, great AI, alright weapon mechanics (lets be real, guns in Shoc were god damn awful it was everything else that made up for it and handily) and an amazing atmosphere WHICH I think they have already nailed from the trailers, they have shown us a lot of what the game looks like and i'm in awe of the atmosphere, NOT the graphics necessarily
but yeah for the people thinking this is gonna be anomaly or gamma ur fked lmao
This feels so fabricated.
Havent seen this negativity towards stalker 2 on any of the mod discords i follow. I also haven't seen a single person say stalker 2 should be like gamma. Everyone knows gamma is a tailor made mod pack for the people who want exactly that experience. Modders can make a gamma-like mod pack for stalker 2 in time.
And yes, I find gamma fun. And yes, i found the original stalker games fun. Imagine that. No drama?
Honestly, most of the drama in the stalker community comes from gatekeeping stalker purists.
exactly my dude, call of the zone is a personal one in the end
this is just in this doods head.
Good. It should stay that way. We don't need military larp mods to make the game enjoyable.
@@dogeprissy9850 Then don't use them?
@@sebbo59 soy redditors cant properly think. You're asking too much of him
If they're gonna make the game have english audio, I hope they have Ukrainian/Russian Accent Voice Actors like in the OG games.
This was a VERY needed video. People have been playing modded stalker for so long they forget that modded stalker and vanilla are completely different experiences. I will do my first playthrough as I always do with no mods, and add mods later.
now imagine Stalker G.A.M.M.A 2
ugh, i hste this conversation. I played gamma for about 500 hours now and Gamma is a sandbox as it is on top of Anomaly with tons of gameplay optimization/changes. Enjoy Stalker 2 for what it will be and you will enjoy it. If you expect it to be Gamma 2 then you really wil be disappointed
I know its stupid to expect a mainline game to be gamma, but with mod support i hold out hope that we'll one day have gamma in stalker 2
You won’t. Unreal Engine modding is not the same as X-Ray. At max you’ll see a half Misery like mod. Mods like CoC or NLC, Gunslinger and similar won’t exist.
@OXY187 I'd love to hear your reasoning for this, UE5 is several orders of magnitude more capable and easy to mod on than xray is, xray is NOT a good or user friendly engine to modders, if we say 10,000 hours of modding effort made stalker what it is today, the same could be accomplished in 1000 hours on UE5 through user friendliness alone, thats not even considering how many more people will be able to enter the stalker modding scene on UE5 since the amount of people who know how to use it over xray is significantly higher
@@OXY187 maybe not at first, but this is Unreal we're talking about here. if modders managed to make Mysery with the X-Ray engine, Unreal will be way easier
4:11 this is such a stupid argument.. pls name one country's government that doesnt have blood on their hands..
Vanilla Stalker SoC was a fu simulator without mods btw
Ye goofy ass argument, the citizens of Russia did nothing wrong.
Soc was easy as fuck one you got a g38 just one shot evryone with headshot
Vanilla FU simulation comes from getting destroyed in combat or torn to shreds in an anomaly, not from a hardcore economy