Divers React to guy who claims UK cave divers are the best
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They were not rescued by 2 British cave divers alone.
They were rescued by:
- 2 British cave divers AND
the combined efforts of:
- 2 Australian cave divers one also an anesthesiologists
- 1 Belgium diver
- 1 Canadian diver
- 2 Danish divers
- 1 Finnish diver
- 1 French diver
- 1 Irish diver
- 1 Israel diver
- Japanese divers
- 2 Ukraine diver
- The Thai navy seals teams
- Diving, non-diving, or technical support from Austalia, czech republic, germany, myanmar, philippines, sigapore, spain, china, india, laos, US
- and a whole other list of people who I dont know were involved.
Im pretty sure I got this list wrong, but Im sure its closer than "2 British divers".
It wasn't just 2 British divers and Ben is a friend of mine, however it was Rick who led the rescue and was certainly the most experienced as well.
dont forget to mention that the "british" divers had given up and left when two other divers kept pushing and layed the line almost all the way up to the trapped kids, and they nearly died doing so...
then the british divers came back and kicked both the divers responsible for actually finding the kids out and took over
they did a good job getting the kids out, but other than that they behaved in a very shameful manner!!!
@@ralphbooger4756 I don't think the British divers kicked anyone out, wasn't it the government who kicked a bunch of people out after one of the divers died. So they were understandably trying to reduce the risk.
Those divers who laid a lot of line did not find the kids.
I have never seen anything that shows the British divers acted shamefully.
I think what you're saying is anyone BUT US cave divers are capable of the cave rescue.
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the "british" lead divers had left, they gave up...
the two divers i am talking about did not find the kids as you say... but they layed the line almost all the way to them.
and they both nearly died laying that line!
one of the reasons they almost died was only one of them had a re-breather, and he got himself stuck... he was saved by the guy in a regular tank despite him almost being out of air... and he almost did not make it out, he was ukranian i think.
they had asked about borrowing a re-breather for him since they were the only ones trying at this point, but this request was declined!
so even though they did not actually find the kids there was only a short distance left, so they were responsible for finding them!
and these divers were working with the thai government, there is a documentary about them where they are honored by the thai government!
there were two teams there, team british and the thai navy team, these guys were on the thai navy team... and not by their own choice!
this is where the "british" divers came back and took over, the divers that layed the line finding the kids were never even mentioned at the time by the "british", they were told to stay away... there was even a wanted poster made of one of them posted all over the site to ridicule him.
the "british" never even mentioned them and their effort resulting in actually finding the kids!
I don't believe any 1 country has the best or most special cave divers. What I do believe, there are a very small group of divers who have a very different mindset, skill set and abilities that allow them to go places most of us will not venture.
Very well said and I agree 💯
The elite ? Is not about that its about education and brother/ sister hood. Challanges are around every corner underwater.
But also its america. MERICA WINS
@@Sw-nv4hw I.e. exactly what he described
Anyone else start to hear Liam while reading this
The guy made a good point about sumps/dry caves versus more traditional cave diving, but there are a lot of harsh and untrue generalizations there!!!
It was just a great rescue, I’m from Britain& couldn’t care about the nationality of the divers, I’m just glad the kids were saved
Exactly!
He should have worded it differently, and say that because that Thai cave resembles so much the UK ones, UK divers were more used to those conditions than others simply because they have practiced on average more than other divers from other countries to dive in those conditions, which made them the best choice for THAT job . Had the Thai cave looked more like the Tennessee cave where the UK diver had to be rescued by Edd Sorenson, then trust and believe that Edd, Mike & Brian would have been arguably better in that environment than most UK divers. But also, Mike dives sumps all the time, Edd rescues and recovers bodies where everyone else fails, Brian is an absolute master, they would have figured out how to rescue those kids too, I'm positive, sumps or not. This "competition" in his head is silly.
Nice comment. I totally agree with how you explained it.
These americas just don't understand caving
@@steviemac825 Assuming you meant "Americans" and are referring to the hosts of this channel... what? They're cave divers and actual diving instructors.
@@genericereal cavedivers, with an emphasis on divers.
Cavers don't dive much. They crawl, climb and walk.
I think, the main point that maybe made sense, that he didn't really home in on, was the fact that globally, not many cave divers that are willing or capable of potholing / dry caving let alone a combo of both at the same time. Those extremely tight spots that take up maybe a small amount of a normal cave dive, is pretty much what makes up the bulk of UK cave dive, which is also why buddy diving in the UK isn't necessarily the norm
Would love to hear Edd or Mike's reaction to this.
I'm from the UK and that Statement is embarrassing,
Just because they pulled it off (What was brilliant)
But this guy is unimportant and doesn't even have the right to say UK divers are the best,
What a Childish comment.
Some of his comments were nonsense, however we do have some of the best cave and rescue divers in the world.And Rick Stanton and John were there perfect choice for that rescue. Nothing childish in that.
The claim was not even made by a Brit but a retired US artist living in the Caribbean who has nothing whatsoever to do with cave diving. Bit over sensitive are you? Your reply is embarrassing. p.s. He has the right to say anything he likes. You should have the intelligence to ignore it.
You sound more like a woman than an alpha to me bro
@@johnbruce2868 and yet here you are, replying to a comment, not taking your own advice.
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@@ppo2424 none of them would've succeeded saving those kids tho, without the Australian cave diver who knew how to anethesize them all and write the medical plan to get them all thru without dying on the way . So I'm just sayin.
Ive recently began uk cave diving journey and yes ive been told keep the solo mentaility but never go alone(ps i would never go alone anyway thats just dumb).. what hes meaning is if you need to rely or need that other guy then theres something myself doing wrong which is a problem before the cave starts.. Its hard to explain 😅 and theres no "they have the best cave divers from...." no thats just ego's.. youll be hard pressed to find a uk diver saying "we are the best" its not how we think or atleast us who take training seriously.. kind of understand what i mean ?
Where abouts do you go cave diving?
These guys were diving as part of a team, but they were diving on their own, as part of a team, on their own.
Was surprised to hear Budapest mentioned. Greetings from Budapest, Hungary :)
12:30, I could be wrong but i interpreted that as not actually diving alone, but having the mentality of being alone. In the sense of knowing how to handle any and all sorts of situations on your own, instead of relying on someone else for parts of that.
You are correct, IMO. Solo diving mentality drives home the attitude you need to be able to solve any problems yourself and not rely on someone else to help you. John Volanthen describes a cave dive trip he went on with Rick Stanton in Gough Cave in 2002. This is described in his book Thirteen Lives, page 36. John said moving between sumps he made an error and did not securely clip his mask to his fins as they walked across a dry section of the cave. The mask fell off and into a narrow, deep hole. Not wanting to dive without a mask to safety, he asked Rick to dive out and shuttle a mask back to him. Rick gave John a stern glare and said "what would you do if I wasn't here?" John dove 140 meters out without a mask. I think this is what diving with a solo mentality means, it doesn't mean dive by yourself.
Additionally, the rule of 3rds they talk about is consistent with the solo mentality, i.e., if you follow this rule, you won't need others to bail you out because you don't have enough air to get to safety. The Thai Navy Seals who dove out to chamber 9 did not follow this rule, that is why only 3 Seals (of 7) were able to return to chamber 3. Dr. Bhak and the 3 Seals with him were stranded in chamber 9 and had to have the Brits and Australians shuttle full tanks to them so they could dive themselves out after all the boys were out.
Finally, I think solo mentality is what drove the one-diver, one-boy solution to getting the boys out. A second diver would bring more danger than safety. This is discussed in Rick's book Aquanaut and also in Against All Odds by Harris/Challen.
I still question myself till this day: why didn’t they call Super Sus?
Notice the commentator is not English from the US I would guess. UK divers/cave divers would never make such a statement way too modest and not showoffs. I am 100% they would say it was a joint effort. Very best to you both and another great episode.
I’m more surprised that there’s an “Australian of the year” award 😂
Guys it’s bull. I’m British and I’ve been doing it for 30 years Keep the nationalism out of diving…..Ric Stanton dont give a damn about his passport. It’s an Aussie diver / doc who got the kids out. Let’s also remember it’s a Thai guy who paid the ultimate price. The craziest diver I dive with is an Italian lad. My diving hero is French. I dive most frequently with Lebanese and Polish lads.
One of the most infuriating things about the internet/social media is people who do not understand wtf they are talking about, making "Matter of fact" videos as if they are at the pinnacle of knowledge. When in reality they only have some of the information. People discussing things with absolute certainty when they really shouldn't be is always cringeworthy.
Diving in the UK is generally different to a lot of diving in the world. We have low visibility & it can be very dark, huge tides & currents, some of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, a lot of diving is wreck diving. Not to say there aren’t other places like this but especially diving in the US southern states, the Caribbean, Mexico etc is what we think of as blue water diving. Single cylinder, shorty or steamer suits & none deco diving. Not everyone does deco dives in the UK but the BSAC British sun aqua club trains deco diving as part of its normal skills as you advance. You’re taught rescue skills, deco skills, diving planning with tides & tables, boat handling & planning etc. All of this is part of the normal diver curriculum for a BSAC diver. I’ve dived quite a lot of places around the world & British divers tend to be better trained & experienced if they learned & dive in the UK. Now I’m sure there are other countries with similar challenges & I’m not saying we’re the world’s best divers. I’m just saying we dive & train to higher standards than a lot of places out of necessity. I can’t speak for cave diving having never trained in any country but I’d imagine some of what this guy says is accurate if not all of it.
American, Italian & Russian divers were generally frowned upon. For different reasons they would generally be the ones causing issues. Be it bad or limited training for the type of diving, aggressive & macho diving ignoring rules or harassing wildlife or bad diving practices with regards to the environment we were diving in.
However like all walks of life you’ll always find good & bad in any group.
Spoken like a true BSAC diver 😂 i agree that the entry level qualifications are better from BSAC than PADI (for example), but BSAC isn’t great for anything beyond 30m with no deco limits lol
If there’s one thing I’ve learned during my 30+ years on this earth, it’s to ignore anyone who claims x is better than y.
In New Zealand in the early days of cave diving the UK method was adopted. The focus was always to treat it as a solo dive and many times it was.
Sidemounts originated in the UK because of the often very low ceilinged cave passages.
Checks phone: 10 missed calls from Edd
Well, I am Tanmay from India and I am a subscriber of Dive Talk, indeed a fan of Guss and Woody.
This guy is emphasizing that how UK cave divers are probably best in the world. Well first of all there is no competition when it comes to scuba dive and mother nature will not ever discriminate. He must have had forgotten one important fact that in the Thailand cave rescue there was a British diver who was a part of the rescue team...don't remember his name but this particular cave diver was further rescued by Edd Sorenson and Mr. Sorenson was invited to the spot because many others failed to find him even a reel line sprawled across the route. Because that British cave diver was well experienced person he found a safe spot and waited there until someone found him. So now shall we claim that Edd Sorenson is a best cave diver in the world? Doesn't make any sense.....Edd Sorenson did his job and that British diver played his part during Thailand rescue mission. It is alright to say that I appreciate the ability and skills of specific diving community but comparing with others and declaring it as the best is utter non sense.
Every individual is unique and diving is a skill + science. Please respect every single scuba diver and cave diver across the globe.
However I just did a discover scuba in Maldives upto the 10 meters. Off course PADI. To summarize my experience I thought that the ocean is a big aquarium. I want to become a certified diver. Cheers to Dive Talk....wish you all the best for the next episode. ❤
As a proud, well educated scuba diver with zero dives, even I know that somebody better be calling Edd. Should I ever be in need.
Have a read up on the official Cave Diving Group UK website. The philosophy and education is good food for thought.
I love your channel Guys and i watch all of you vids and I'm a instructor. Guys im strangely international i come froim holland and the uk but I've grown up in Greece and the middle east. I can Seriously tell you traveling and meeting many people from many cultures, the SAS is something of a different caliber, you the the seals are something or the marines are vent and elite however. Not disregarding the nearly impossible levels these people operate at. The SAS is a class that has always been acknowledged as the top of any thing in warfare. Not because they are the biggest and strongest, no, Woody is being sweet and Gus sadly is not. No joke Gus the brits would be in situations you guys react on the channel and get people out easily. because they train for every damn thing. Unimaginable i guarantee you Mike has been asked to train people in thisbecause
Is this guy even British, he doesn't sound it...? Not sure why everyone in the comments are getting their egos bruised so badly, I doubt this guy even dives tbh. Seems like just a random guy telling a slightly confused story, I wouldn't get upset about it
I feel like when people are the best they don’t have the need to tell people they are the best they just do what they do.
Spot on!!
Thanks for mentioning Budapest. Being a landlocked country, we struggle with diving, but yes, our Molnar Janos Cave is huge and fantastic and - being a thermal spring - it is waaaarm, like 24-27 celsius! ;)
Or if you want some colder (around 13 celsius) man-made environment we have Kobanya mine, which is a partially underwater freakin' huge subterranean ex-mine complex :)
I know the chance is slim, but I hope you could try it sometime ;)
I one day hope to visit Budapest, it’s been a dream of mine for a long time and on my bucket list. Hungary is a beautiful country
We can’t wait!
What about all the divers who went before the UK divers and laid all the line? They were from different countries and risked their lives to do it!
It's like saying A car camper and a trough hiker doesn't use the same gear...
They're doing totally different activity so they need gear that fits the activity in the environment they're in but they still follow the same same rules
Thank you Gus and Woody. Love a great reaction video early in the morning. 🥰❤️
Didn’t Rick call up his diving buddy John to go with him to do the cave dive rescue? Neither of them were alone when they reached the kids.
Could I suggest watching a video about the stridd in Yorkshire England. It’s the most dangerous stretch of water in the world. Apparently 100% death rate.
It was explored in the 70s. There’s nothing down there.
Some rescue divers in the thai cave also used Triton CCR
This was a great video with some nice satire 😂. Keep up the great work and we appreciate the education!
technically speaking everyone is alone even when with other people... i feel most lonely when im around other people... when im on my own im never lonely...no one can ever understand how you feel, you are one body floating in space, that distance of 1 metre between you might as well be a light year....
Such an English centric video. This UK guy knows from three cave diving spots two are English speaking countries and one is neighboring the US.
One was Australian (Dr Harris) and another was British I think.
Lol, the original video got deleted so quick.
😂😂 they realised they'd get a lot of push back
It's still up today, six days after you say it was deleted.
And its a good video I dont get this hate at all. The guy seems like a nice dude too.@@johnbruce2868
@johnbruce2868 you're right. At the time of DT posting, it wasn't.
Interesting video guys 👍. It would be facinating if you reached out to someone like Chris Jewell. I think he was involved in the rescue and is a uk diver who has youtube videos of diving wooky hole caves amoung others. I havent met him but a friend of mine did and said hes a really down to earth good guy. He would be able to answer you questions and it'd be interesting to see someone like his reaction to the video!
First off I am British and a cave diver. I was also living and working in Thailand at the time and know the local cave diving community. All I will say is there are huge differences in accounts of what happened during the rescue.
Were there a ton of cave divers from all over the world who tried and failed before "the UK divers" arrived?
@@DIVETALKthere were / are a number of foreign / local cave divers and instructors resident in Thailand who were involved before, during and after the UK guys turned up. Have a look for the Lost 13 film / documentary.
The Thia cave & mine systems are very varied.
@@MathewRPayne For the record the first U.K divers turned up on the evening of Wednesday 27th June.
It should be noted that all of the line laying from the dive base located in Chamber 3, towards the boys, was accomplished from the early hours of Sunday 1st June until we found the boys on the Monday evening (2nd), a period of 44 hours. This operation was completed by the Thai Navy SEALs , Ben & Maksym, then John & I who were operating as teams of line layers. No other divers laid any line.
Before this period it was John & I who first passed the 3 short sumps located between the entrance & Chamber 3. This was on the Thursday when we encountered the trapped pump workers in Chamber3. These sumps had only formed the previous night as before Wednesday afternoon it was possible to walk to Chamber 3 without encountering any river.
@@richardstanton9231 holy hell its him.
Edd and Mike are not from the UK. Already I know this will be ridiculous.
We seem to have a few sat divers over here
You can make an argument no one besides the anesthesiologist/cave diver could do it. Without both unique skills that plans success probability plummets.
Reaction to the first 60 seconds: It was Ben Reynaments (and his friend) who got the line up to the T-intersection in the worst conditions. If he has the gas (or his rebreather, which he regretted not bringing) he would have then just turned left.
Also, there were non-UK divers on that team too - not least Dr. Richard Harris.
Who the hell is this guy?
Hey I just watched this year 2023 movie called The Dive about two sisters who go diving and one of them gets trapped under rocks during an avalanche, and the other has to try and save her sister. Not the best acting but would love for you guys to react to that movie and give feedback or what could have been that done better in that situation. Don't watch the trailers, too many spoilers.
I don't know anything about diving, but I love watching your videos because I learn about a world where I have no experience. On this, it makes me think of "experts" that talk about things in my world where they draw on false comparisons. You can't say, "this is better than that because that is trained for one thing but THIS is trained to do the particular thing that we are talking about". I wouldn't expect an expert hunting swamper from Louisiana to be the best guide on Cheasapeake Bay. Different training and environments don't necessarily make one "better" than another.
A totally non-diver thought on this subject.
"there is only 80 people in the world that are good at that kind of diving" My source is that i made it the f**k up
Spelunking in West Virginia is awesome as well as cavern diving in Mexico
I agree that spelunking and diving in that situation is way different but, the guy still isn't 100% he isn't properly explaining how tight some of the caves are. it is a lot different than regular diving in a cave filled with water all the way through just not the water part😂
Greetings from Budapest! ☺
They definitely don't always go alone, but often choose to. Generally they take a group of people to shera the gear through the dry caves, I have done that once for Jason, in Dalehead pot, a miserable cave graded 5 (on a scale of 1 - 5). So just getting to the water is a bloody hard trip, with 7 or 8 pitches, tight passage ways, ducks (half filled passages with water) and slippery mud towards the end. After all that, that hard bastard then dives the tight little toiler bowl sized sumped rift with at the end with no vis. I agree most of what the guy in the vid you are reviewing says is a load of bollocks, but I do think UK cavers are amungst the best (not saying they are definitively the best), because they have to be, as our sumps are so bloody awful, it's like diving Guinness, it's cold often 8C , the sumps are often tight requiring removal of cylindars and full of silt. They do sometimes wear dry suits as us sherpas would carry them for us, but not always, I don't recall Jason did it for this trip. Just to clear up any confusion I am not a cave diver myself just a "dry" caver, ha, dry, there rarely "dry" here!
Oh and of course once a diver is through the sump they will have to sherpa them selves from then onwards.
At this point in my life, I have no intention of diving in open water or a cave. However, I am utterly obsessed with Dive Talk.
solo sump diving is much safer. when the entire path is a squeeze, and you can see absolutely nothing, feeling around and grabbing a foot (not a fin since it's deep in a cave) is not ideal for both involved.....not only this, if you get into trouble in a pair, you can not turn around and backing up into your buddy and knocking off his face gear with your foot is just all kinds of bad.
I am a Brit qualified diver, I don't think brits are better than any other divers from other countries. I think we just have an advantage on our training because it is usually done in 6 degree waters with extremely low visibility so the Thai dive was more suited to Brit cave divers. But let's not forget though that all the divers involved in the rescue had to go into conditions that brits are more used to and they all contributed to an absolute courageous rescue. Hats off to each and everyone one of then involved 👌🏻✌🏻
I am British and I agree that it doesn't make the UK the best because of the cave rescue but there is a big difference between fresh water springs and the cave's in the UK you have to dry cave with all your equipment do a sump dive and dry cave and sump dive continuously with very tight places in each dry and sump very cold conditions and fast currents but it still doesn't make the UK the best
Surprised you guys didn’t mention that edd sorenson had to rescue one of those English divers because the uk divers tried n were unable to.
I don't cave dive but as a rock climber, it's fascinating that UK rock climbing is also a *very* different practice from the rest of the world.
Im offended that someone thinks theyre a better diver than Edd Soreson
No-one said that in this video!
@@computerbob06He is saying the brits are the best cave divers (in the thai-rescue scenario). Edd Sorenson is not british. So he is saying these british divers are better than Edd Sorensen
I think we are very much in awe of Ed’s crazy dive skills.
Don't get to upset gus, I bet that guy read a bunch of literature and books after watching the movie and now claims to be a professional about cave diving and has never even strapped on a tank before. I bet he even has a video that tells people that saltwater divers can't dive in freshwater!
Well, what does Ed do. He does recoveries, say it with me, alone.
Do i think UK divers are gods, no? But it is strange how US diving Jesus dives alone.
PS: UK IN GENERAL ITS FREEZING ! WE ARE WEARING LESS PROTECTION WHEN BEING IN PLACE LIKE CAVES, BECAUSE WE GOT USE TO THE COLDNESS 💁♀💁♀
Plus the U.K. is frequently as damp as the average cave full of water 😂
ITS ALWAYSE COLD UNLESS ITS IN SUMMER
YEP ITS TRUE LOL@@IngelaWeeks
@@BrookeABee YEAH , HERE MAY AND JUNE ARE THE HOTTEST. I MEAN IN MY PART OF UK
I'm Austrian, but I'll never get used to the coldness 🙈
Wouldn’t sharing air be an issue in the uk cave context, as people can get stuck for much longer than in a non cave scenario?
First of all, I think most people are thankful that those that were involved made themselves available, and were able to do it, regardless of where they were from. The choice to even make that video seems strange to me. Edd Sorenson said in a video that he was contacted, and he geared up and was ready to go if needed. If I remember correctly, he wasn't ultimately involved because he said the Thai government wanted to have a prominent role in the rescue, and they already had enough support from other divers to do it. Edd has said numerous times he only does rescues solo. The one time he was required to bring someone else he called Mike. To suggest that skill set is unique to a certain area is very.. Interesting. Even the UK diver that Edd helped told him that he was hoping Edd would be the one they sent for him. Seems like a fairly good endorsement to me.
The UK diver was in Edd's turf, though. So Edd makes sense. It's just a horses for courses thing - you want the people who are likely to be best for the specific problem you're dealing with. That might be Edd, that might be Rick, that might be someone else entirely in a different part of the world.
I think that they are strict for individual responsibility. Like you are responsible for your life, so allways be carefull and chck everything. Do not think way oh I have buddy if anything happens. So that is meant by dive alone. Like leave buddy mindset. Do not risk other life because of your laziness to check your stuff. So its not lke anti buddy system, more like self responsibility system. Of course if the worse happens, there will be other people.. And also it probably check their mental strenght, when they take that buddy security as first thing. (At least I hope. Also i think Europians are more closed to ohters in general, so giving your life into somebody elses hands makes them (uk swamp divers community) quite uncomfortable.
Funny how you block on the wording "cave diving" where in your mind means going straight into the water exploring caves while the Brit is explaining that they do not dive, they cave in super tight places THEN dive when meeting water.
Tiktok nonsense. Trying to determine who the "best" cave divers are, is like trying to determine who the best artist is. You can tell when someone is bad at it, but there is no objectivity in picking out "the best". And to say a group of people is automatically the best just because of where they live, is nonsense. There are plenty of UK divers that will never be as skilled as divers from other countries, and vice versa.
Ok Gus, how does if feel to know you suck…jk..hahahahahaha…I am getting up to get some alcohol for my coffee because I can’t be sober for this
I don’t understand why people can’t simply celebrate the achievements/history of a country in a subject area- for example cave diving- without turning it into a contest. No one is better than anyone else. The history was interesting, but I feel that was then tainted by the not-so-humble bragging. To admittedly be a little judgemental here- it came across as if he was living vicariously through other people’s accomplishments 😅
Woody/Gus, I was watching a video and a diver swallowed water during a dive and his fellow partner saw this and said he knew he was dead. Why would a diver always be dead when they swallow water when they are on a rebreather? Am I recalling this correctly?
From a flooded rebreather when the scrub becomes caustic maybe
@@AlexanderJasperJay please explain, I'm not a diver
@@Tsuchikawa-Ishido I’m not the best guy to explain it but the chemical that scrubs the co2 from the rebreathed air becomes toxic when exposed to water. There are a few good videos on rebreathers that explain it better. Blueworldtv with Jayson Bird has a video on rebreathers that explains how they work with diagrams. Jayson is also one of the best underwater videographers on the planet so his videos are absolutely gorgeous.
I’m a diver from the UK and I disagree with the lazy premise that UK divers (cave or otherwise) are the best.
However, Gus was way too defensive and lacked integrity and impartiality here. He acted like he’d been personally insulted. Let’s be clear, if Edd Sorenson had been the hero that rescued the boys from Northern Thailand and someone made a video suggesting that North Americans make the best divers; would you have made a video denouncing this claim?
No, of course you wouldn’t, you’d have taken it as gospel!
To be fair, I took issue with the statement that only UK cave divers could have done this rescue, not the “best in the world” statement, I don’t think the guy in the video made that claim.
And I took issue with the statement not because they’re British or because he didn’t mention American divers, but because the team that rescued those boys was comprised of divers from multiple countries. So his statement is demonstrably wrong and inaccurate.
If this guy made a video saying that only Edd is capable of rescuing Josh Bratchley, I would’ve had an issue with that as well, just because he did in fact find Josh and rescued him doesn’t mean he’s “the only one in the world capable of rescuing” Josh.
As a "brit" watching I have to say at 1:24 I was already cringing 🥴
Why the divers were from the UK as a Brit: They were the most willing and experienced cave divers on hand.
Nationality has no place in the discussion because ultimately it's who you have that knows what they're doing.
I cant imagine anyone thinking people are going to waste time comparing candidates in a rescue scenario. Anyone who thinks that way is delusional or incredibly naive.
You cave dive? You have X years experience and have rescue experience? You're all we have on hand, let's do our best.
The only real difference is the temperature of the water and what type of suit you need to keep you warm
Visibility.
Dry gloves make it harder lol
Yeah I'm British And I don't agree with what that guys saying there are good divers in the u.k but it doesn't make them any better than any other countries there all good in what conditions they are used to working in
I don’t buy this it’s safer to dive alone in the sumps idea this guy is sporting. I’ve watched many videos of European exploration cave divers who dive with buddies. It’s just not logical that you’d be safer alone either. Having someone else along who can call for help and can indicate your position if something goes wrong has to be safer. Extra hands if you get entangled or potentially spot equipment problems has to be safer
Didnt Ron dave one of those guys in a cave in Kentucky?
Could you look into Zale and Saxon?
yeah, sure ... and they have the toughest police in the world, bwahahahaha
British exceptionalism on full display.
The guy in the video is not British though
@@DIVETALK Thanks for clarifying. I might have reacted too strongly.
Why not use sonar and vr ?
That way you can see in 3d all the time.
This is a prime example. although every race of mankind has put a race and color on god. God himself never claims any race or color. He just made man in his image. Not he made a white man in his image or a black man in his image simply just man. Simply for this reason, because people had always tried to make there race and color of people more superior ever since mankind began. It doesnt matter who you are, what color you are, and whatever race you are. What matters is you saved those kids thats it. Thanks to everyone that participated, the children where saved thats it. Thats the problem with man now instead just helping and bettering one another nope. Man is just for self and his pride. This is the reason why god would never claim a certain race, because that would give man vain imagination and thoughts.
There is a difference between Florida and Mexico sidemount diving. Gus’s attitude and air of superior knowledge is so off-putting and will be the reason for lack of channel growth. He’s been a cave diver for what, 2 years? Now he acts like he’s a cave expert. It’s gotten so old.
I'm british and I'm sick of being called European. We are not a part of Europe we are our own island. Google it.
That’s such an European thing to say
Can barely hear the guy on the video though..
Just look how buff Woody is getting. How could Uk be better? Tank top next show Woody!
Great reaction vid.... So the guy had some points but bigging up the UK rescuers as superior to other rescuers (of a different nationality) didn't seem right imo. Btw you two seriously need to get your knots sorted. And you call yourself cave divers?!! 😉
Looking great gentlemen ❤
Should we mention that one of those IK divers got lost in a cave in Tennessee and it was an American, Edd Sorenson saved him where everyone else could not? Just sayin.
Better than the old lgbqhdtv on the register guy on the left anyway
Is that guy a cave diver? I am not but i feel i am better educated. There wwas many more than the 2 Uk divers that saved the kids. Without the Australian dr none of them would have survived. Also did Edd save one of those UK divers?
fl mx kit i have heard this for years it is a thing ,...
I thought it was an australian cave driver
I mean, someone gotta be the best.
That video has little chihuahua complex
It doesnt matter you know that going that only one can pass thru at a time but to be safer by yourself , i disagree.
I never like these ‘we are the best’ type videos. He is correct in a few things though and that is the emphasis on cavers who dive rather than cave divers. It is mandatory that CDG are experienced cavers as a lot of dive sites require ropes and pulleys to get to. Also dry suits are a big no no due to the accessibility of the water
EDIT
Turns out it’s true what he says about the solo dive as well.
I’m the guy from the video. Thanks for doing the research that want dove during this video. These are my thoughts on what they said. Check it out. I think you’ll be surprised www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLLCQx6S/
Turns out the guy in the video isn’t even British.
Decades ago I did a philosophy degree and one of the most important things I learned was that if I as going to argue against something I need to argue against the best possible version of that thing. Woody does an amazing job of exemplifying that idea. He really makes an effort to understand and explain and explore.
Hey guys, love your work... so much to comment on this I almost want to "react to your react". My basis is the four episodes I have done on the Speaking Sidemount podcast on the Thai Cave rescue and three episodes with members of the Cave Diving Group. Ignoring some obvious detail issues @vagabondartist is correct in his assertions that the CDG was ideally prepared on many levels to not only have a crack at this rescue but ultimately pull off the "impossible" and succeed. The Tham Luang cave was a sump dive in shit vis with flow... these are conditions that the CDG Divers are very familiar with. They not only train and practice rescues but have completed numerous rescues and body recoveries in sumps in the UK. Gus - you seemed to miss his point and get bogged in the detail - rebreathers were in Thailand but they were not used much due to the shallow depths, the CDG dive solo but in teams... I would suggest when you catch up with Rick, get him to explain this to you. Rick was diving some homemade gear in Thailand. The CDG routinely build their own equipment but they also use bought gear... case in point, while Rick and others including Michael Thomas CDG Somerset do dive the Sidewinder, they also will draw on other tools depending on the dive, much of which they make at home. If there is a lot of caving they will be very minimalist.. almost climbing gear with cylinders attached including the use of the dreaded carabiners :). I have much much more but feel free to check out Speaking Sidemount Episode 50 with Chris Jewell of the CDG and Episode 41 Richard Harris the Aussie Anesthetist and Cave Diver who was instrumental in the rescue. Harry and Craig's book "Against All Odds" also gives a great inside view of the rescue.
Please make a react to their react! Your Speaking Sidemount podcast is fantastic, and there's very little public information about British cave diving and just how different it is from other regions' caves and training practices, despite the publicity some individual divers rightly received several years ago. Would love to see more informed content about it!
personally i dont think divers like ed sonrensen's nationality matters when they are on a dive rather its their personal talents and experiences that allow them to achieve extraordinary feats. the bends, danger, and the lack of control over nature is something all humans face regardless of nation. also i would never dive alone ever