If you ever wondered why Capote hated Ann Woodward so much, this video reveals all! Comment & let me know what you think! Also, please like and share.It really does help me out!
I think Capote always had a mean streak so he needed a woman to victimize especially one who had already publicly broke a strict law of behavior eg. Don’t kill your husband who is having an affair.
This may be an unpopular view as well as not on topic but I think Capote was a vile little provocateur who was as mean and miserable as a good many of his Swan's. The irony is they turned on him and he did not see it coming.
@@phalynwilliams4119 tbh, I think all of those women he ran with were vile ppl. I understand they had hardships in their lives but those can be traced back to the good old truth, the love of money is the root of all evil. Maybe this is a bit harsh but I have no sympathy for the lot of them
I always felt that Ann was definitely out of her league in the world of 'high society'. She had Truman pegged as that toad. He was a viper. He, too, paid the price and never recovered from being banned from that world.
Yes, that is the movie clip I used in the video at ruclips.net/video/eBverYp8fX4/видео.htmlsi=7SjL87MKjrMfzUCg&t=384. I know it's bad quality because the movie (and clip) are so old. Thanks for joining the conversation!
We don’t know that. A good chunk of the story that’s now being recited as fact came from passed around gossip. When you need to smear a gal, brand her a whore. It’s the Catherine The Great phenomenon (Catherine was branded as such a big whore she’d take horses). Typical propaganda.
I agree with Tom Hollander's opinion on Capote. Capote had a massive inferiority complex, he probably believed himself to be a 'fake' and yet here he is, and it's only 'natural' for him to spot Woodward as a 'fake' like he was. He wanted to look down on her so that he could thrive amidst the swans then. While I think he's a brilliant writer, as a person...hmmph. I totally understand why he was ostracized, take away the 'glitz and glamor,' if this were even in HS setting of common-ordinary people, if you basically spilled the tea on your closest friends, they'll not be your friends anymore lol.
He was a consummate liar, probably a narcissistic personality. He may have hated himself for being gay. His death was as much a suicide as Woodward’s. He was a brilliant writer though, his writing sparkles. Read his works, also F. Scott Fitzgerald. Those men had “something”. Fitzgerald died even younger than Capote.
A caveat to my other post. Capote had a horrible childhood, which had to have scarred him emotionally. His mother was an idiot, a horrible person who treated him badly, & who also committed suicide I believe.
@@nativevirginian8344 I, too, am a native Virginian who has grown up in North Alabama. Very near to where Capote and Harper Lee were. As well as Tallulah Bankhead. And as vile a little troll I think TC was, being gay in Alabama at that time would have been a nightmare. Also I guarantee that voice was an affected 'enhancement' because he would have never made it out of Alabama if he had always spoken in that annoying voice.
He milked the “stereotype” in every film and handled it in a way, no one has replicated. After many years of reading, I think he was an amazing addition to the existing male stereotype. The genre, quickly faded after Capote vanished. It would have become passé.
@@RobertDAvanzo-rk3ewI love Truman s writing s but have mix feelings about his so called friendship e. I do believe both sides used each other. As to. S Ann. Don÷ of us was there. None of us will ever know for sure
That is awful. I wish she was there for her youngest son. It must of been rough and difficult to go through PST alone. He went into the military innocent and came out with addiction and mental issues. That is rough.
I’m anxious to see the Netflix series. I’ve read Answered Prayers and the old Vanity Fair articles about his ostracism from his Swans. I think it was the combo of his narcissism and substance abuse that gave him the idea he was invincible to betray their trust.
Uhhhhh, I think that's older, more grown up, more vicious mean boys, as in Capote. What an absolute worm. I guess the swans and his addictions finally did him in. Good.
She did go to Europe and it was her return to the USA that sparked Capote to make her the prime character in La Cote Basque. Thanks for joining the conversation!
She should have stayed in Europe. Had she just accepted the divorce, she could have gone abroad and about her business as a disgraced divorcee. Instead of being remembered as a notoriety, scorned murd3ring black widow who “got away with it”. I doubt that she was popular in Europe either.
@@phalynwilliams4119why would you be exiled out of your country just because he hates you. Why are you making excuses for his vile behavior?Sounds very unfair to me. Obviously you’ve never lived abroad without family or friends. It is very lonely. He should have left her alone!
@@marty1159 , maybe so but that is not what happened. Post divorce, she could have later returned to the USA 🇺🇸. Hindsight 20/20. Granted, but what happened is her husband was dead . The family's reputation was publicly ruined. She and both of her sons deleted themselves later. Therefore, maybe a divorce and a temporary exile to Europe would not have been so bad in the long run. Again 20/20 hindsight. The real problem is that selfish people can’t see beyond themselves. The welfare of the children/ spouse is an afterthought if that much.
After watching many many interviews, documentaries, his movies and reading his books. I have come to the conclusion that Capote was an insecure, nasty, evil, phsyco. The most disappointing part of the whole story is that so many "so called "smart women were hoodwinked by him. Holy cow, how stupid were they.
@@dianakidd4219 so true. I believe you've hit on why I have nothing but disdain for the little toad. All I can see in Capote is a mean, insecure, vile little man who preyed on ppl whom he could be in their shadow. Having lived in Alabama for such a long time now, I still laugh so hard at his claims regarding Harper Lee. Like he truly wrote 'To Kill a Mockingbird'. Delusional.
Just goes to show how what a petty little man Capote was. I read that Capote hated Ann so much because she reminded him of his mother. I think in that book it also said he hated Ann so much because she was like him in many ways. I doubt Capote was that deep that he even suss'd that out. I personally think her story is a tragedy. Just goes to show how wanting to be in the "in crowd" can lead someone down a disastrous path. I betting that she did meant to kill her husband to keep from losing status and money.
So, Ann killed the goose that laid the golden egg? Similarly Truman did killed off his relationships with his Swans. Both were social climbers from the "wrong side of the tracks." Yes, I can see how Truman would have hated her for being his female counterpart.
A father who devises a plan to keep his mistress around by marrying her to *his son* - and then Ms. Woodward’s unaliving herself when she learned of Capote’s hit piece - just so much horror hidden behind nice suits and dresses and big houses
It was no accident ,her husband was seeking a divorce after finding out she was still married to someone else at the time of their marriage, plus how many burglars break into a house naked,her dead husband was nude when she shot him twice.
Capote’s high pitched voice always sounded to me like that of a 3 year old: he hated women due to his hatred of his mother who betrayed and abandoned him
It's a baby voice and I know women who use their voice in the same way to garner sympathy in lieu of something worse. Fingernails on a chalkboard for me too!
Who wouldn’t turn on someone who humiliated you and your spouse to the whole world? Who literally drives another human to suicide. I believe Truman Capote was a textbook narcissist and these women were taken in by his superficial charm.
@@jakestroll6518I totally agree with you, well said. Truman Capote was the worst kind of toady, with the worst stereotypical gay traits, who was a mean spirited, black hearted, pill popping, alcoholic.
There was a miniseries in the 80s called 'The 2 Mrs. Grenvilles' starring Anne Margaret. It's the story about the 2 Mrs. Woodwards lol! I remember watching it with my mom when it aired on TV. It was a great series. It was a made for TV movie. 12:48
There's an a documentary on DD on cable. Try Google. I have never seen it but i noticed it in passing. He also had a show years ago which was ahead of its time. It's on RUclips. It covered murders among the rich. I hope you enjoy them both
I don't understand why she wasn't accepted into society. Most of those women came from humble beginnings and married into money. Why was she any different? Was she just not likable?
You don't understand because you're not part of that society, and don't understand it's (distorted) values. I'm not part of that society either, but I do understand why she wasn't accepted.
@@TheNancypooNo, as OP said, they all married up. None of them were born into society. But they were well-mannered and well bred. She was a cheap showgirl and mistress.
Woo rough reviews on little Truman. I truly enjoyed his books. The ones with short stories were wonderful. He may have been cruel, but he was raised with cruelty. I think his Swan payback was inspired by his Mother's suicide and obsession with becoming one of them. 🦢
I just read the book not too long ago! A great read. I'm looking forward to the show to see Demi Moore play her. I thought she was a blond but they have Demi in a brown wig in the photos I've seen on the web. Either way, I am betting this show is going to be as hot at The GIlded Age! Kudos to this youtuber for keeping up on these shows. I really appreciate the history behind the shows!
I started this channel because every time I watch a show that is based on some historical happening, I have my tablet in hand and am reading whats true and whats not.Doesn't mean I enjoy the show any less. Just that I want to be informed. Glad you fell the same way and thanks for the feedback!
If there ever was a more segregated, impossible to enter world it would be the NEW YORK HIGH SOCIETY! It would be almost impossible to discover one, unless you try the Saudi Royal Family. Ann Woodward never stood a chance, IMO.
@@la_scrittice_vita That is definitely true, but the NEW YORK HIGH SOCIETY of the 1900’s - 1960’s was very participar about OLD MONEY, PEDIGREE, as well as WHERE SOMEONE CAME FROM. Ann Woodward was none of the above!
@@la_scrittice_vita The backgrounds most of them came from may have been a little "humbler" than New York society, but not much. Most were born on 3rd base to begin with .Babe Paley was a Boston Brahmin, the daughter of a wealthy, prominent brain surgeon. Murella Agnelli was born into an aristocratic family in Italy and married Gianni Agnelli, the CEO of Fiat. Slim Keith was born to a successful CA businessman who owned several canneries, and first married director Howard Hawkes. She was the person who discovered Lauren Bacall and brought her to the attention of her husband and the rest of Hollywood. C.Z. Guest was another Boston Brahmin, born to a wealthy Boston investment banker. Only Gloria Guinness was born to a non-wealthy family- she was the daughter of a Mexican journalist- solidly middle class but not wealthy and certainly not society.
Billy fell out of love with her pretty quickly, and began to criticize her for every little thing . In order to be perfect for Billy, she began using amphetamines to give herself energy, sparkle and a perfect figure . No doubt this contributed to the trigger-happy events that night .
I loved Truman Capote's works. These society mavens were too trusting and LOVED to gossip with him. Serves them right that they never remembered he was a writer with a photographic memory.
Truman Capote was a brilliant writer, first and foremost. He virtually created the genre of "True Crime" when he wrote "In Cold Blood". But one also must remember that Capote was a severe alcoholic and drug addict as well. Today, we would be more inclined to understand a lot of his behavior through that lens. His so called "Swans" were wealthy society "dames" as they were called back then. Other than their beauty and their vast wealth which allowed them to also be fashion icons, they contributed little to the world, unlike Mr. Capote. One also forgets that Capote could be charming and witty. He charmed the pants off the people of Kansas when he was researching his book on the Clutter murders. He also was a very loyal friend to many, including maintaining long relationships with the Kansas folk. He was very close to John O'Shea's daughter and nurtured her career. One forgets that he also had a long term relationship with Jack Dunphy. Capote served as a vivacious, funny, witty court jester to many of these "Swans". Underneath it all, he must have resented that and I don't blame him. Gay men still often serve that role for condescending heteros. The fact that those ridiculous women were upset by "La Cote Basque" just underlines their egomania. No one cared about them other than each other and the tiny faction of high society. Today, Mr. Capote might well have gone into rehab, sobered up and gone back to writing. Unfortunately, he was enamored by the gliteratti and spent more time drinking martinis than at his typewriter. That is the great loss of Capote and his Swans....those superficial rich women lost nothing, but we lost more of Capote's sparkling prose.
@@fabulouswomeninhistory Thank you for your content. Have been fascinated with this subject as I loved the 1st "Feud" series. Have great interest in Old School Hollywood.
Magazines are released mid prior month; its plausible Anne received a copy. Besides Mr Toad could have had one sent. Timing is too close to be a coincidence.
I don't think I would have liked Anne Woodward: she was a social climber, obsessed with money and position, which tends to make people very boring to be around. But I do feel sad for her. She sold anything of value within her for a position that she lost in a very public way. She became infamous, which is the exact opposite of what she had worked for. I wish she had decided to change her priorities instead of off herself, but she didn't see any other option. Poor, dumb kid. She didn't deserve all the humiliation.
Her story was not a happy one. Really, watching the show I wish everyone would have gotten some therapy. But, then we all love these shows that show the flaws of the rich and famous. Thanks for joining the conversation!
She was no different than the old money polite society. Her only crime was being born without money. If you get a chance read The Two Mrs Grinviles. Dominic Dunne
Truman hated, and envied women, all who became a reflection of his relationship with his mother as he played out tortured self defeating dynamic with them. All relationships were about his own trauma, and his felt sense of victory over those he both loved and held in contempt. Shakespeare couldn't have designed a better enigmatic plot line.
I’m surprised Demi Moore is playing her in feud… When I looked at the cast list, I was trying to guess who was playing who and I would’ve thought that Diane Lane or Demi Moore were portraying, Babe and Chloe Sevigny was playing Slim. i’m surprised Demi is playing and because she really doesn’t look like her I could even see Demi playing Pamela? I don’t know I’m still trying to get all the swans names down… The one who is from Mexico I think her name is Pamela, Molly Ringwald was a good choice-as Guinness. Of course I’m going on looks alone here. I’m sure Naomi White would be great as babe as she always is. And with her hair dyed brown, she does kind of look like her not as much as Demi though.
Why not cut to the chase. She was working a late night gig for a rich clientele of men dancing in a chorus line. The ladies of the chorus could be invited to join the men at their table. This is not a kindergarten playground. Why not call it exactly what it was.
Thank you for your video. I enjoyed this very much! I have always believed Ann was innocent of murder. Ann loved Billy, was in love with Billy. Billy may have been in love with Ann in the beginning and by then end of his life I do believe he loved and cared for Ann. Ann did not want money only. Ann wanted to be Mrs. William Woodward Jr. If Ann wanted money she knew she could divorce Billy and walk away with a very large portion of Billy's wealth and their two sons as Ann proved in 1947 when Billy tried to divorce Ann and then Ann counter-sued Billy. No, Ann did not want to lose Billy. Being married to Billy Ann had all that she wanted; Billy, Woodward children, the money, high society life, travel, clothes, jewelry etc. No matter what manner of death Billy died Ann knew she would not get all of his money. Divorce would have been the way to walk away with the most money. The prowler, Paul Wirths, was real, he was in Oyster Bay robbing and stealing. Later it was discovered that Paul Wirths was obsessed with Ann. Scary. Capote told lies about Ann to entertain his friends at parties. Capote was obviously at a dead end with his writing career to expose his "friends" secrets and to spread lies about Ann. Ann's mother-in-law, Elsie Woodward, hired private detectives to look into Ann's past and they found nothing, they found more things about Billy than Ann and Elsie put a stop to the detective work. I believe Capote disliked Ann because she reminded him of himself. They were both from poor backgrounds, both made their way into high society life, and both were shunned by that same high society. Ann and Capote likely could have actually become friends if Capote was not so evil, vile, and disgusting. Ann and Capote were born roughly 9 years apart (Ann in 1915, Capote in 1924), both died roughly 9 years apart (Ann in 1975, Capote in 1984), both died at the age of 59 in the year that each would have turned 60. I don't know why I thought of that. So sad, too, that both Ann and Billy's sons died committing suicide like their mother though in a different manner. Sad all around. Thank you again for your video! J
I'm not sure which is the best word to describe him. Considering that he was able to ingratiate himself with the family of the man he took as a lover, plus all the other people he beguiled through the years, Capote seems to be among the most successful manipulators or seducers of all time.
Truman had so much talent…something about the way he wrote was just magical. You can’t do that without a personality to match. He must have been captivating to be around. I can see how his swans loved him. His early childhood with his mom living in the hotels was tragic. That kind of abuse will eventually bubble to the surface somewhere.
It is so true. I just did a video on his childhood and how it affected him and his relationships. See it here -ruclips.net/video/x-d0kbQZDvE/видео.html
I think Truman in some way "got off" on knowing everyones secrets and then totally enjoyed the betrayal while pretending they needed and loved him so much they would forgive him. It was what he wanted from his mother. He wanted mommy to beg him to love her, as he had begged his mother to love him. He wanted to do the unforgiveable... and then be forgiven and loved
It is unclear whether Anne read an advance copy of the Esquire article. There is no proof she did or did not. So her suicide may have been from the fact she was struggling with depression and anxiety as has been reported previously.
Wait a minute. I am confused. At 4:43 you say Ann never was accepted into society. Then ar 5:37 you say she was reluctant to lose the social sratus she had fought so hard for. But I thought you just said she didn't have any...?
Capote thought he was the smartest person in the room. And at the very same time he was afraid I’m very insecure. The combination was lethal in many wise to others and to himself.
He was an outcast when he was younger and became a social climber to join high society so he could look down on others and puff up his ego with attention. He was a great writer but a deeply flawed person.
I don't think he hates her I think she's just collateral damage. He simply used her and didn't care like many men. I highly doubt that her using that slur impacted him at all because by that time I'm sure he was called that quite a lot.
I have no idea why these beautiful women had him as a friend. The way they portrayed him in the mini series was sick. He was a creap. I watched the first episode and didn't watch anymore.
They had no reference point when confronted with someone male who invited them to tell the darkest secrets and had no obvious sexual agenda. I think Truman in some way "got off" on knowing everyones secrets and then totally enjoyed the betrayal while pretending they needed and loved him so much they would forgive him. It was what he wanted from his mother. He wanted mommy to beg him to love her, as he had begged his mother to love him. He wanted to do the unforgiveable... and then be forgiven and loved
To be wealthy and beautiful is rare. I don't really think Jaquelyn Kennedy was a ravishing beauty, but beauty is relative and money, power and style enhance the illusion of beauty. compare Jackie to Elizabeth Taylor... or Marilyn. They are not the same raw beauty.
If you ever wondered why Capote hated Ann Woodward so much, this video reveals all! Comment & let me know what you think! Also, please like and share.It really does help me out!
It sounded like Truman had a bit of thin skin to me and did not enjoy hearing the truth from someone he saw himself in.
I read the book.
I think Capote always had a mean streak so he needed a woman to victimize especially one who had already publicly broke a strict law of behavior eg. Don’t kill your husband who is having an affair.
What was the "jam trick" darhlin?
@@striplett6188 iirc the jam trick involved covering a particular male appendage with jam followed by removal of said jam.
This may be an unpopular view as well as not on topic but I think Capote was a vile little provocateur who was as mean and miserable as a good many of his Swan's. The irony is they turned on him and he did not see it coming.
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@@fabulouswomeninhistory I really like your channel!
I agree with your opinion. I would add that Ann was as vile as he was as well.
@@phalynwilliams4119 tbh, I think all of those women he ran with were vile ppl. I understand they had hardships in their lives but those can be traced back to the good old truth, the love of money is the root of all evil.
Maybe this is a bit harsh but I have no sympathy for the lot of them
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I always felt that Ann was definitely out of her league in the world of 'high society'. She had Truman pegged as that toad. He was a viper. He, too, paid the price and never recovered from being banned from that world.
He did pay the price. Thanks for joining the conversation!
There’s a movie 📺about that crime called the Two Mrs Grenvilles with Ann Margret and Claudette Colbert. The book 📖was written by Dominick Dunne.😎
Yes, that is the movie clip I used in the video at ruclips.net/video/eBverYp8fX4/видео.htmlsi=7SjL87MKjrMfzUCg&t=384. I know it's bad quality because the movie (and clip) are so old. Thanks for joining the conversation!
He would know!
@@nativevirginian8344 So true! I would love to know half of what DD knew!
Beat me to it. The book was a good read
Book was excellent
The movie was awful except for the visual optics
Changed too much from the book for the miniseries
Whats was really creepy Ann Woodward was with her father- in law before she got to Jr...no wonder her mother inlaw hated her.
You have a very good point and it was creepy! Thanks for joining the conversation!
We don’t know that. A good chunk of the story that’s now being recited as fact came from passed around gossip. When you need to smear a gal, brand her a whore. It’s the Catherine The Great phenomenon (Catherine was branded as such a big whore she’d take horses). Typical propaganda.
both father in law and husband knew what her sex face looked like, ewww
I agree with Tom Hollander's opinion on Capote. Capote had a massive inferiority complex, he probably believed himself to be a 'fake' and yet here he is, and it's only 'natural' for him to spot Woodward as a 'fake' like he was. He wanted to look down on her so that he could thrive amidst the swans then. While I think he's a brilliant writer, as a person...hmmph. I totally understand why he was ostracized, take away the 'glitz and glamor,' if this were even in HS setting of common-ordinary people, if you basically spilled the tea on your closest friends, they'll not be your friends anymore lol.
Imposter syndrome most likely
We’ll he made his own way as a writer.
Capote was a nasty little piece of work.
Yes he was. Thanks for joining the conversation!
He was a consummate liar, probably a narcissistic personality. He may have hated himself for being gay. His death was as much a suicide as Woodward’s. He was a brilliant writer though, his writing sparkles. Read his works, also F. Scott Fitzgerald. Those men had “something”. Fitzgerald died even younger than Capote.
A caveat to my other post. Capote had a horrible childhood, which had to have scarred him emotionally. His mother was an idiot, a horrible person who treated him badly, & who also committed suicide I believe.
@@nativevirginian8344 I, too, am a native Virginian who has grown up in North Alabama. Very near to where Capote and Harper Lee were. As well as Tallulah Bankhead. And as vile a little troll I think TC was, being gay in Alabama at that time would have been a nightmare. Also I guarantee that voice was an affected 'enhancement' because he would have never made it out of Alabama if he had always spoken in that annoying voice.
He milked the “stereotype” in every film and handled it in a way, no one has replicated. After many years of reading, I think he was an amazing addition to the existing male stereotype. The genre, quickly faded after Capote vanished. It would have become passé.
Truman had ALL the tea. And he spilled it everywhere.
All he spilled was blood. The blood of Ann and her two sons. 3 ppl committed suicide as a result of his venomous homosexuality.
Truman Capote was beyond wonderful. Just as " Mrs. Bang Bang" was beyond trash!
@@RobertDAvanzo-rk3ewI love Truman s writing s but have mix feelings about his so called friendship e. I do believe both sides used each other. As to. S Ann. Don÷ of us was there. None of us will ever know for sure
That is awful. I wish she was there for her youngest son. It must of been rough and difficult to go through PST alone. He went into the military innocent and came out with addiction and mental issues. That is rough.
I’m anxious to see the Netflix series. I’ve read Answered Prayers and the old Vanity Fair articles about his ostracism from his Swans. I think it was the combo of his narcissism and substance abuse that gave him the idea he was invincible to betray their trust.
I think so too. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Truman never caught on that he may be with them but not one of them.
Do you think he might of saw them as vacuous little playthings and that there was no real intellect or substance to them?
It’s on FX not Netflix.
I’m watching it on Hulu. But I think it’s also on FX.
To sum it up, older more sophisticated mean girls.
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Uhhhhh, I think that's older, more grown up, more vicious mean boys, as in Capote. What an absolute worm. I guess the swans and his addictions finally did him in. Good.
Nailed it!😂
Ding ding ding ding ding!! Precisely!!
She had options after the trial. To live comfortably and in obscurity in Europe could have been a happy life.
She did go to Europe and it was her return to the USA that sparked Capote to make her the prime character in La Cote Basque. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Agreed. She and Capote were twins of self destruction, probably growing out of repressed self loathing
She should have stayed in Europe. Had she just accepted the divorce, she could have gone abroad and about her business as a disgraced divorcee. Instead of being remembered as a notoriety, scorned murd3ring black widow who “got away with it”. I doubt that she was popular in Europe either.
@@phalynwilliams4119why would you be exiled out of your country just because he hates you. Why are you making excuses for his vile behavior?Sounds very unfair to me. Obviously you’ve never lived abroad without family or friends. It is very lonely. He should have left her alone!
@@marty1159 , maybe so but that is not what happened. Post divorce, she could have later returned to the USA 🇺🇸. Hindsight 20/20. Granted, but what happened is her husband was dead . The family's reputation was publicly ruined. She and both of her sons deleted themselves later. Therefore, maybe a divorce and a temporary exile to Europe would not have been so bad in the long run. Again 20/20 hindsight. The real problem is that selfish people can’t see beyond themselves. The welfare of the children/ spouse is an afterthought if that much.
After watching many many interviews, documentaries, his movies and reading his books. I have come to the conclusion that Capote was an insecure, nasty, evil, phsyco. The most disappointing part of the whole story is that so many "so called "smart women were hoodwinked by him. Holy cow, how stupid were they.
I think they were lonely in many ways and needed to be able to talk to someone and they kept forgetting he was a gossip nasty and a WRITER! Lol
I suppose that could be true.@@everydaywithsandra
Trusting someone who has burned us in the end has happened to us all.
Very true, I was a bit fast to judge there.@@dianakidd4219
@@dianakidd4219 so true. I believe you've hit on why I have nothing but disdain for the little toad. All I can see in Capote is a mean, insecure, vile little man who preyed on ppl whom he could be in their shadow.
Having lived in Alabama for such a long time now, I still laugh so hard at his claims regarding Harper Lee. Like he truly wrote 'To Kill a Mockingbird'. Delusional.
Excellent use of archival photographs. And really appreciate what I think is actual human narration! Good job!
Wow thanks. Appreciate it!
Just goes to show how what a petty little man Capote was. I read that Capote hated Ann so much because she reminded him of his mother. I think in that book it also said he hated Ann so much because she was like him in many ways. I doubt Capote was that deep that he even suss'd that out. I personally think her story is a tragedy. Just goes to show how wanting to be in the "in crowd" can lead someone down a disastrous path. I betting that she did meant to kill her husband to keep from losing status and money.
Yes, the author did suggest that. It's true Ann's story is tragic. Thanks for joining the conversation!
You got that right. Used by everyone.
So, Ann killed the goose that laid the golden egg? Similarly Truman did killed off his relationships with his Swans.
Both were social climbers from the "wrong side of the tracks." Yes, I can see how Truman would have hated her for being his female counterpart.
Self hatred runs deep and often unrecognized even when it is acted out. Thanks for joining the conversation!
In real life there was a man attempting to burglarize the home that night. He was later arrested and admitted to being scared off by the rifle shot.
"He who seeks revenge digs two graves.” - Confucius
Fun Fact: Both Capote and Anne Woodward died at the age of 59. Coincidence? I think not.
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The fun fact is actually a coincidence....
Meaning?
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A father who devises a plan to keep his mistress around by marrying her to *his son* - and then Ms. Woodward’s unaliving herself when she learned of Capote’s hit piece - just so much horror hidden behind nice suits and dresses and big houses
My Mom always said "just because you have money doesn't mean you have class". Over the years I have learned "money makes people the worst people".
You are the absolute best part of my day. Stellar Story-Teller!
Wow, thanks!
Guns, drugs, and alcohol …. Yikes.
It was no accident ,her husband was seeking a divorce after finding out she was still married to someone else at the time of their marriage, plus how many burglars break into a house naked,her dead husband was nude when she shot him twice.
Capote’s high pitched voice always sounded to me like that of a 3 year old: he hated women due to his hatred of his mother who betrayed and abandoned him
I read Carol Matthau's memoir (a childhood friend of Capote) and she said he used his voice as a way to endear people to him.
@@fabulouswomeninhistory Good Lord I found his voice to be akin to fingernails on a chalkboard! But I guess to each their own.
It's a baby voice and I know women who use their voice in the same way to garner sympathy in lieu of something worse. Fingernails on a chalkboard for me too!
I remember as a kid in the 80's the movie The Two Mrs Grenville's portrayed this.
Yes, it starred ann margaret as ann woodward. Thanks for joining the conversation!
I don't believe he was a friend of any of these women. Instead, he was an entertainment for them. That's why it was so easy for them to turn on him.
Who wouldn’t turn on someone who humiliated you and your spouse to the whole world? Who literally drives another human to suicide. I believe Truman Capote was a textbook narcissist and these women were taken in by his superficial charm.
@@jakestroll6518I totally agree with you, well said. Truman Capote was the worst kind of toady, with the worst stereotypical gay traits, who was a mean spirited, black hearted, pill popping, alcoholic.
There was a miniseries in the 80s called 'The 2 Mrs. Grenvilles' starring Anne Margaret. It's the story about the 2 Mrs. Woodwards lol! I remember watching it with my mom when it aired on TV. It was a great series. It was a made for TV movie. 12:48
Yes staring Ann Margaret at Ann Woodward. Thanks for noting that time stamp here.
I watched it, too. Excellent movie!
It’s a famous book by Dominick Dunne.
There's an a documentary on DD on cable. Try Google. I have never seen it but i noticed it in passing. He also had a show years ago which was ahead of its time. It's on RUclips. It covered murders among the rich.
I hope you enjoy them both
@JSMITHSTONES Thank you for mentioning the novel. It is so much better than the simplistic mini-series.
I don't understand why she wasn't accepted into society. Most of those women came from humble beginnings and married into money. Why was she any different? Was she just not likable?
I think because she was a showgirl.That holds a huge stigma. Thanks for joining the conversation!
@@longarmoftheOOHLALA oh please.
All they cared about was $$$
You don't understand because you're not part of that society, and don't understand it's (distorted) values. I'm not part of that society either, but I do understand why she wasn't accepted.
They felt she was a thorough going gold digger. One thing that hurt her was the need to over do everything and out do others.
@@TheNancypooNo, as OP said, they all married up. None of them were born into society. But they were well-mannered and well bred. She was a cheap showgirl and mistress.
Truman Capote was a little toad, just like Ann Woodward said.
I am in agreement there, Thanks for joining the conversation!
He certainly looked like a toad .
Woo rough reviews on little Truman. I truly enjoyed his books. The ones with short stories were wonderful. He may have been cruel, but he was raised with cruelty. I think his Swan payback was inspired by his Mother's suicide and obsession with becoming one of them. 🦢
Interesting. I've never heard about this story so thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you !!!!!!@@fabulouswomeninhistory
I just read the book not too long ago! A great read. I'm looking forward to the show to see Demi Moore play her. I thought she was a blond but they have Demi in a brown wig in the photos I've seen on the web. Either way, I am betting this show is going to be as hot at The GIlded Age! Kudos to this youtuber for keeping up on these shows. I really appreciate the history behind the shows!
I started this channel because every time I watch a show that is based on some historical happening, I have my tablet in hand and am reading whats true and whats not.Doesn't mean I enjoy the show any less. Just that I want to be informed. Glad you fell the same way and thanks for the feedback!
Demi was a bad pick to play her
If there ever was a more segregated, impossible to enter world it would be the NEW YORK HIGH SOCIETY! It would be almost impossible to discover one, unless you try the Saudi Royal Family. Ann Woodward never stood a chance, IMO.
Well said!
Well, no. Most if not all the Swans came from humber backgrounds. Background is more than money.
@@la_scrittice_vita That is definitely true, but the NEW YORK HIGH SOCIETY of the 1900’s - 1960’s was very participar about OLD MONEY, PEDIGREE, as well as WHERE SOMEONE CAME FROM. Ann Woodward was none of the above!
@@la_scrittice_vita The backgrounds most of them came from may have been a little "humbler" than New York society, but not much. Most were born on 3rd base to begin with .Babe Paley was a Boston Brahmin, the daughter of a wealthy, prominent brain surgeon. Murella Agnelli was born into an aristocratic family in Italy and married Gianni Agnelli, the CEO of Fiat. Slim Keith was born to a successful CA businessman who owned several canneries, and first married director Howard Hawkes. She was the person who discovered Lauren Bacall and brought her to the attention of her husband and the rest of Hollywood. C.Z. Guest was another Boston Brahmin, born to a wealthy Boston investment banker. Only Gloria Guinness was born to a non-wealthy family- she was the daughter of a Mexican journalist- solidly middle class but not wealthy and certainly not society.
Billy fell out of love with her pretty quickly, and began to criticize her for every little thing . In order to be perfect for Billy, she began using amphetamines to give herself energy, sparkle and a perfect figure . No doubt this contributed to the trigger-happy events that night .
Good point. Thanks for joining the conversatIOn1
I really do feel sorry for this woman. Her husband was a jerk and the mom was a bully.
I agree. It is a sad story. Thanks for joining the conversation!
not to mention the dad...
Good point. Kind of creepy when you think about it. Thanks for joining the conversation!
I agree all that glitters…
Also her 2 sons committed suicide afterwards
Hopefully to show the rest of these swans of the video soon.
If you mean vidoes on this channel, then you betcha! It takes 2 days to make 10 min video and I am working as hard as I can. Thanks for asking!
There's a curious similarity between A. Woodward and Capote's own mother.
Yes, my video on Ann Woodward touches on this and is even more evident in the video I did on his mother : ruclips.net/video/x-d0kbQZDvE/видео.html
Gold diggers, yep
I loved Truman Capote's works. These society mavens were too trusting and LOVED to gossip with him. Serves them right that they never remembered he was a writer with a photographic memory.
Audiographic memory. He remembers everything he hears. A photographic memory consist of remembering what one sees.
If you want to know what God thinks about money, look at the people he gives it to. ❤
That makes no sense.
@@BinkyTheGoddessDivine most of the wealthy people I have known are shallow miserable unhappy creatures. Illogical but true.
Yes
If you want to see how miserable people are without money, you don’t have to look far.
@@dianakidd4219 Nice response. I agree. 😔
In learing about Capote and watching the series,I knew that I didnt like him one bit! I would never want a person like that in my orbit!
I agree! Thanks for joining the conversation!
Truman Capote was a brilliant writer, first and foremost. He virtually created the genre of "True Crime" when he wrote "In Cold Blood". But one also must remember that Capote was a severe alcoholic and drug addict as well. Today, we would be more inclined to understand a lot of his behavior through that lens. His so called "Swans" were wealthy society "dames" as they were called back then. Other than their beauty and their vast wealth which allowed them to also be fashion icons, they contributed little to the world, unlike Mr. Capote. One also forgets that Capote could be charming and witty. He charmed the pants off the people of Kansas when he was researching his book on the Clutter murders. He also was a very loyal friend to many, including maintaining long relationships with the Kansas folk. He was very close to John O'Shea's daughter and nurtured her career. One forgets that he also had a long term relationship with Jack Dunphy. Capote served as a vivacious, funny, witty court jester to many of these "Swans". Underneath it all, he must have resented that and I don't blame him. Gay men still often serve that role for condescending heteros. The fact that those ridiculous women were upset by "La Cote Basque" just underlines their egomania. No one cared about them other than each other and the tiny faction of high society. Today, Mr. Capote might well have gone into rehab, sobered up and gone back to writing. Unfortunately, he was enamored by the gliteratti and spent more time drinking martinis than at his typewriter. That is the great loss of Capote and his Swans....those superficial rich women lost nothing, but we lost more of Capote's sparkling prose.
From the synopsis for episode 4 coming up - we will see his attempts to sober up. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Perhaps we are too eager to make excuses.
Men who are not deemed a sexual pursuer are allowed into women's lives.
Great videos ❤️
She was born in Kansas City. It is not a small town. It is the birthplace of Jazz, and a hub for all of the West.
Actually Pittsburg, KS
Small in comparison to NYC though. And Ann wasn't born in the city she was a poor farm girl.
Jazz music came from New Orleans
My question is what about the children?
Both sons committed suicide ,very sad legacy . ...
Watching on Hulu ( done for the FX channel)
Pretty good
All of here like it! DId you watch The Gilded Age. Try to catch that somewhere or when season 3 comes along!
The last word in the title should have been "demise".
Typo. Thanks.
Truman not thinking the Swans would turn on him is mind boggling.
It is amazing. He was so sure they loved him more than they did. Thanks for joining the conversation!
@@fabulouswomeninhistory Thank you for your content. Have been fascinated with this subject as I loved the 1st "Feud" series. Have great interest in Old School Hollywood.
Thank you for the feedback. It helps to keep me motivated!😎
Self deception and rationalising is a dangerous character flaw.
Magazines are released mid prior month; its plausible Anne received a copy. Besides Mr Toad could have had one sent. Timing is too close to be a coincidence.
That's good thinking plus I agree he could have had an advance copy sent. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Any man who cheats on his wife is a cad of the first order. And Ann going out with Woodward Jr. was despicable. Yeech!
I don't think I would have liked Anne Woodward: she was a social climber, obsessed with money and position, which tends to make people very boring to be around. But I do feel sad for her. She sold anything of value within her for a position that she lost in a very public way. She became infamous, which is the exact opposite of what she had worked for. I wish she had decided to change her priorities instead of off herself, but she didn't see any other option. Poor, dumb kid. She didn't deserve all the humiliation.
Her story was not a happy one. Really, watching the show I wish everyone would have gotten some therapy. But, then we all love these shows that show the flaws of the rich and famous. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Ann was a cheap trick. I don’t care how much money 💴 that she wound up with.
She was no different than the old money polite society. Her only crime was being born without money. If you get a chance read The Two Mrs Grinviles. Dominic Dunne
Poor kids and poor Ann.
So true. Thanks for joining the conversation!
It just proves, "Do not trust anyone".
Marmalade? Jam? I need more details..
I tried to find out what was meant by that but could not. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Truman hated, and envied women, all who became a reflection of his relationship with his mother as he played out tortured self defeating dynamic with them.
All relationships were about his own trauma, and his felt sense of victory over those he both loved and held in contempt.
Shakespeare couldn't have designed a better enigmatic plot line.
I’m surprised Demi Moore is playing her in feud… When I looked at the cast list, I was trying to guess who was playing who and I would’ve thought that Diane Lane or Demi Moore were portraying, Babe and Chloe Sevigny was playing Slim. i’m surprised Demi is playing and because she really doesn’t look like her I could even see Demi playing Pamela? I don’t know I’m still trying to get all the swans names down… The one who is from Mexico I think her name is Pamela, Molly Ringwald was a good choice-as Guinness. Of course I’m going on looks alone here. I’m sure Naomi White would be great as babe as she always is. And with her hair dyed brown, she does kind of look like her not as much as Demi though.
Molly played Joanna Carson.
Why not cut to the chase. She was working a late night gig for a rich clientele of men dancing in a chorus line. The ladies of the chorus could be invited to join the men at their table. This is not a kindergarten playground. Why not call it exactly what it was.
Thank you for your video. I enjoyed this very much!
I have always believed Ann was innocent of murder. Ann loved Billy, was in love with Billy. Billy may have been in love with Ann in the beginning and by then end of his life I do believe he loved and cared for Ann.
Ann did not want money only. Ann wanted to be Mrs. William Woodward Jr. If Ann wanted money she knew she could divorce Billy and walk away with a very large portion of Billy's wealth and their two sons as Ann proved in 1947 when Billy tried to divorce Ann and then Ann counter-sued Billy. No, Ann did not want to lose Billy. Being married to Billy Ann had all that she wanted; Billy, Woodward children, the money, high society life, travel, clothes, jewelry etc.
No matter what manner of death Billy died Ann knew she would not get all of his money. Divorce would have been the way to walk away with the most money.
The prowler, Paul Wirths, was real, he was in Oyster Bay robbing and stealing. Later it was discovered that Paul Wirths was obsessed with Ann. Scary.
Capote told lies about Ann to entertain his friends at parties. Capote was obviously at a dead end with his writing career to expose his "friends" secrets and to spread lies about Ann.
Ann's mother-in-law, Elsie Woodward, hired private detectives to look into Ann's past and they found nothing, they found more things about Billy than Ann and Elsie put a stop to the detective work.
I believe Capote disliked Ann because she reminded him of himself. They were both from poor backgrounds, both made their way into high society life, and both were shunned by that same high society.
Ann and Capote likely could have actually become friends if Capote was not so evil, vile, and disgusting.
Ann and Capote were born roughly 9 years apart (Ann in 1915, Capote in 1924), both died roughly 9 years apart (Ann in 1975, Capote in 1984), both died at the age of 59 in the year that each would have turned 60. I don't know why I thought of that.
So sad, too, that both Ann and Billy's sons died committing suicide like their mother though in a different manner. Sad all around.
Thank you again for your video!
J
Thank you for liking the video and giving such a thoughtful response to the topic!
i dont understand what the pictures of Tom Noonan and Marilyn Monroe in Gentleman prefer blondes had to do with anything .
Her referring to capote as “a f*g” to a reporter probably didn’t help their tension…
Nope, it surely didn't! Thanks For joining the conversation!
Why the pics of Marilyn?
Why are you showing Marilyn?
I'm not sure which is the best word to describe him. Considering that he was able to ingratiate himself with the family of the man he took as a lover, plus all the other people he beguiled through the years, Capote seems to be among the most successful manipulators or seducers of all time.
He only met Ann once at a restaurant in Saint Moritz where the slurs were exchanged.
Truman had so much talent…something about the way he wrote was just magical. You can’t do that without a personality to match. He must have been captivating to be around. I can see how his swans loved him.
His early childhood with his mom living in the hotels was tragic. That kind of abuse will eventually bubble to the surface somewhere.
It is so true. I just did a video on his childhood and how it affected him and his relationships. See it here -ruclips.net/video/x-d0kbQZDvE/видео.html
I think Truman in some way "got off" on knowing everyones secrets and then totally enjoyed the betrayal while pretending they needed and loved him so much they would forgive him.
It was what he wanted from his mother.
He wanted mommy to beg him to love her, as he had begged his mother to love him.
He wanted to do the unforgiveable... and then be forgiven and loved
It is unclear whether Anne read an advance copy of the Esquire article. There is no proof she did or did not. So her suicide may have been from the fact she was struggling with depression and anxiety as has been reported previously.
All that mean negative energy. It destroyed them both .
Ann was most definitely a gold digger but I do believe the shooting was a terrible accident.
What I want to know is that the elite in the 1930-1940 could get a divorce but was frowned upon in polite society
Pretty much.
Wait a minute. I am confused. At 4:43 you say Ann never was accepted into society. Then ar 5:37 you say she was reluctant to lose the social sratus she had fought so hard for. But I thought you just said she didn't have any...?
She was kind of accepted and then after the shooting she lost anything she had gained
MONEY. Afraid to lose all that money.
I saw the film many years ago....thought it was very good.
The truth will set you free...once it's finished with you.
Capote thought he was the smartest person in the room. And at the very same time he was afraid I’m very insecure. The combination was lethal in many wise to others and to himself.
Well said. Thanks for joining the conversation!
She really was beautiful. Sad life. Tragic end.
He hated her because she reminded him of himself. He too had a bad childhood, sought fame and fortune and was a social climber.
He was an outcast when he was younger and became a social climber to join high society so he could look down on others and puff up his ego with attention. He was a great writer but a deeply flawed person.
I guess so. I don't think she was all that good looking. Capote most definitely was a toad.
I don't think he hates her I think she's just collateral damage. He simply used her and didn't care like many men. I highly doubt that her using that slur impacted him at all because by that time I'm sure he was called that quite a lot.
Shone the spotlight, not shined.
I have no idea why these beautiful women had him as a friend. The way they portrayed him in the mini series was sick. He was a creap. I watched the first episode and didn't watch anymore.
They had no reference point when confronted with someone male who invited them to tell the darkest secrets and had no obvious sexual agenda.
I think Truman in some way "got off" on knowing everyones secrets and then totally enjoyed the betrayal while pretending they needed and loved him so much they would forgive him.
It was what he wanted from his mother.
He wanted mommy to beg him to love her, as he had begged his mother to love him.
He wanted to do the unforgiveable... and then be forgiven and loved
Shone the spotlight, shone the spotlight, shone the spotlight! Speak English!
Pointed it out!!!
The Two Mrs. Greenville was a great movie
Wonderful Truman Capote!
Fascinating. But even more so is that the Moon is shrinking? Since when??
What beliefs? Faith? I don't agree with that.
father and son? oof
I guess she liked the brand.
Among the wealthy, triangulation happens all the time, as typified by the Woodwards and Ann.
"HER tragic fate" ???
Tje best movie ever!❤
I am liking ths show too!
Ann's MIL's nickname was Elsie not Elise
Oh I am dyslexic so I see how I mis-typed that in my script. Thanks for spotting that!
well he sure lived up to the stereotype, didn't he
If you don’t have morals and beliefs within, your in trouble. They were all wasted in life.
It's tough at the top for sure. Thanks for joining the conversation!
I think she's average looking
To be wealthy and beautiful is rare.
I don't really think Jaquelyn Kennedy was a ravishing beauty, but beauty is relative and money, power and style enhance the illusion of beauty.
compare
Jackie to Elizabeth Taylor... or Marilyn.
They are not the same raw beauty.
Capote,was one of the first persons to become famous for nothing.
No he was actually a writer but was enthralled with the NYC society scene. He was published at only 19. Alot of talent but a miserable nasty man
What are you talking about? He was an amazing writer! LOL