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Saw one theory that might explain the enslavers. Basically, the Eldar hid in the web way while the Krorks handled it, the Krorks were actually the main weapon against the Necrons, not the Eldar (who were more designed to deal with the C’Tan), it was the Krorks who really encouraged the Necrons to go to ground and wait a couple millions years for things to settle down/let the Krorks and Eldar wane, it was the war against the enslavers that really broke the Krork empire and reduced them into Orks. Then the Eldar re-emerged from the webway, and since they’d spent the time recovering not having to worry about the enslavers, they were able to deal with any leftover Enslavers and Krorks, and able to establish themselves as the dominant power in the Milky Way.
awesome theory man, but i think the eldar had to be a bit involved, maybe near the end foresaw the enslavers, took a look at their losses and let the krorks handle it
That sounds far more in character with those knife eared cowards than anything else I heard. And then since nobody was around to fact check they're just like yeah we did it we are the best most perfect beings and everyone else are simple minded barbarians. And they have been saying that so long that they have begun to actually believe it themselves.
So maybe the enslavers were just another creation of the old ones to deal with the Kroks after beating the Necrons. But then it went rogue and offed them instead. I mean, what's the purpose of beating the Necrons if your Galaxy is now full of bloodthirsty fungi? They must have had some kind of contingency plan.
Gork and Mork might just be my favorite warp entities because i love that there's just two unstoppable beasts having a bar brawl through the immaterium and everyone is just trying to ignore them lmao
I like to imagine Nurgle perfected the greatest plague ever. Then all of a suddent Gork and Mork burst through the wall beating the crap out of each other not only knocking over Nurgle's cauldron, but then using said cauldron to knock each other over the head with. Meanwhile Nurgle is just sitting there hoping they don't grab Isha and use her body as a club.
Tzeentch: Thank you all of you for meeting me here- Announcer: *WATCH OUT! WATCH OUT! GORK COMING IN WITH THE STEEL CHAIR!* MORK: **Manly Warcry** **The entire immaterium shakes** Tzeentch: what was that? Khorne: Ignore them, I like their ambience
@@Bagheera2 Gork and Mork would beat the shit of Khorne with so much ease that it won't be funny. Remember, they fight each other cuz there's no other one worth enough to fight.
Just imagine the Warp as a run of the mill bar. You got Gork and Mork fighting in 1 corner, the 4 chaos gods fighting or helping each other time to time, and the God Emperor of Mankind just crying in the corner, slowly fixing himself from his fight with his family.
@@lordoblivion8038 ... I mean, it's the warp. 'fucked up' is kind of the default setting. Be it unicorns and rainbows, endless grey shitfields, or the untamed post-organic black writhing mass of unexistence at the end of the corridor of doors ajar, pretty much anything goes, as far as warp fuckery is concerned. Also, stagnation is regression, and regression is death. Progress before all, so that the flux of time will wash away the depths of the valleys with the height of mountains.
Enslavers are the dark warp entities accidentally created by the old ones and their reflection in the warp. It make perfect sense, they were spawning slave races like it was nothing and sending them to die in droves for their war. They had lost their morals and become slavers in order to survive. After they all died and left the slavers mostly also went away.
@@necfreon6259 Yeah. The warp is basically a massive ocean, and The chaos realm is just 4 massive Islands with their own towns and ports filled with degenerates. 4 massive Tortugas.
@@brok56 damn that’s about as good of an explanation you could ask for especially sense the chaos realms does have actual planets obviously there fucked up but that’s besides the point
Since belief and feelings has something to do with making warp entities, and that humanity spews out enough to accelerate things, the fact that most of humanities' existence has pretty much *always* adored cats to the level of worship or just below that makes me think that somewhere in the warp is an unfathomably powerful kitten. I call this theoretical kitten 'Cattra the Impurrishable"
@@HunkyPizza We did see captain General convert To a cat for a moment when he was being attacked by tzeentch during their card game over magnuses soul. Coinsidence?
@@custodianguardofthemagyari216 They feed off of psychic energy/faith just like the other gods so yeah they need followers. Might have some wiggle room due to Khaine's whole "kill the eldar" stunt but not sure. They're also implied HEAVILY to be sentient warp weapons engineered either directly or indirectly by the Old Ones
@@custodianguardofthemagyari216 I don't know for a fact I can only guess. I'd guess that eldar gods are more self sufficient post construction while chaos is always shifting in response to environment. Of course, the chaos gods were ALSO created by the eldar. Just not on purpose.
Gork and Mork just brawling around in the warp whilst every other entity in there tries to deadpan act that they don't notice it paints such a hilarious picture. Imagining Khorne not wanting any part of the kerfuffle makes it even more hilarious.
Kinda fascinating to think that in the canon of 40k, ALL of mankind’s gods were real before grandpa emperor went around setting all of terra’s churches on fire,
now I have a pretty cool concept of people secretly learning of these gods, and cults growing for them and eventually bringing them all back somehow. Now without a doubt these would be considered outright heresy by the entire Imperium, but come on the idea of Thor, Greek and Roman gods among many others shoving their fists up Chao's ass in a massive warp battle certainly prickles my fancy lmao
Indigenous Warp life has been theorized to exist for long before since the War in Heaven. From Cherubeal we learn that there are Courts and kingdoms within the warp that have absolutely nothing to do with Chaos. Chaos is just deep corruption of the warp itself through an oversaturation of emotions and they are interlopers/parasites that don't belong in either the native Warp or in realspace. Unfortunately that's as deep as he gets in the book. It should be one of the last two Eisenhorn books. He basically says it in a moment of disgust when he was compared to a slaved chaos demon.
@@nathanalexandre9043 how is the greater demon way off the mark? If there would be any authority of canon on this it would be the combination of Dan abnett and the greater demons enslaved by eisenhorn
I have the Theory that the Enslavers were meant to regulate the Warp when crap hits the fan but as the Warp gets unstable, their purpose and instinct went beyond their original responsibilities, causing them to just get out of the Warp because the mortals cant even get quiet for once if they really need to calm the Immaterium [This also answers as to Why they killed the Old ones, because they were the ones abusing the Warp As to how they vanished, perhaps they gotten starved and went back to the Warp but scattered as they get starved with the Eldar hiding on the Webway?
I heard that at one point, the Enslavers came back and attacked an Imperial Territory, but were much weaker than they were after the War in Heaven and defeated by the Imperial Guard. Considering that the War in Heaven was supposed to be far greater in scale and devastation than any other conflict in 40K, perhaps that ties into your theory, and they were so much weaker because the Warp was (if you can believe it) not as unstable as it was during that time.
Could you imagine how funny it would be if the emperor like the one from tts was awakened with all of the loyalist demons around and was just like “WHAT THE SHIT ARE THESE”
8:24 I actually have a head canon that the warp entities that the Emperor infused into the Primarchs are actually the remnants of various gods from throughout human history
It would make sense. If the emperor was looking for minor warp gods, he would use human ones if they were available, even if they were remnants, being about a pure human race as he was, that keeps everything in house, so to speak. For example, lorgar could have gotten the aztec- Homosexual Prostitution God: Xōchipilli
The non-chaos warp entities will always be more interesting to me than the chaos ones because you can do so much more with them. The chaos entities all follow their own motifs, but a random warp entity can be like what we think of as traditional, insidious hellspawn, or they can be eldritch cosmic horrors, the possibilities are as endless as the warp’s realities.
One of the saddest things about the TTS series being cancelled is that we didn't get to see the avatar of the greater good make an appearance on the warp chat and talk to the other gods.
10:40 The thing is Chaos doesn't rely on direct or deliberate worship, they primarily feed of latent emotions, which is as abundant if not WAY more so than prayers to the Emperor.
Correct, and, unfortunately for the followers of the Emperor, even doing things FOR the Emperor or for his Imperium can serve Chaos goals. Ruthlessly slaughter the enemies of Mankind with righteous fury? Khorne ain't unhappy about that, he appreciates a good fight. Create a complex strategy to defeat an enemy, improve a world's economy, or do some political maneuvering? Tzeentch is right there, giving pointers for how your plan could be improved. Slaanesh is self-explanatory, humans clearly make a LOT of babies in 40k, and it's not too hard to go from "sex is nice" to "I must have it, consequences be damned". Even being stoic and fatalistic about your inevitable brutal death serving the Emperor pleases Nurgle; he would just rather you do it for him, since he... _appreciates_ it so much more.
@@spamhere1123 To clarify, not literally EVERYTHING people do in the Warhammer 40k universe directly empowers the Chaos gods. Take for instance Slaanesh, fans often mistake excess with things like orgies or literally any not vanilla sex, that's far from the actual truth about this warp entity. As long as it's consensual and doesn't forsake anyone else, it IS indeed ok. (won't feed Slaanesh) No, *Slaanesh is the god of obsessions,* basically when doing those pleasurable things is ALL that matters to someone anymore or for those starting out on a dark path such things start taking more and more precedent over other aspects of their lives. (atleast if they have any life outside such or other relationships) Similarly the other *Chaos gods embody this obsessiveness* with one or a few particular things above anything else, *slaughter for its own sake* rather than simply defending oneself (no unnecessary cruelty) feeds Khorne the most. *"Blind hope"* is Tzeentch's ambrosia, *hope with practicality* won't give him anything worthwhile. *Being so afraid of death and pain to the point of being paralyzed makes Nurgle VERY happy,* those that don't fear death so much (but aren't eager to die) or can edure much pain (but certainly not encouraging it) makes ole'grandpa filth very...disappointed. *Remember its an excess, NOT the mere presence of emotions that feeds Chaos,* and unfortunately many suffer so much that going towards extremes of anything comes very easily. (anything to escape their misery or grimdark fates) *"when you've been horribly abused your whole life even aligning with literal devils seems sound, especially when they offer that much sought after relief you are desperate for".*
@@navilluscire2567 You are correct, and of course I am aware that not every little feeling empowers the Chaos gods, but my point is that even good-intentioned and otherwise innocuous acts and feelings can be a road to falling to Chaos. After all, the Chaos gods formed from normal human (and others, including of course, the Eldar) emotions. Khorne was said to have formed around, well, our lifetimes, or a few centuries before, as did Nurgle. And things now are clearly not as extreme as they are in the 40k universe. They are not PURELY the embodiment of extreme emotion; they merely tend to that, because they self-perpetuate the more normal and balanced feelings that created them, and when you prioritize one aspect of emotion and consciousness over all others, of course it will tend to the extreme. The only exception to this in the Chaos pantheon is, in my opinion, Slaanesh, as it is specifically the god of excess, and was formed by EXTREME and INORDINATE levels of hedonism. But the rest are the products of very much everyday feelings of everyday people. Edit to add: I disagree on a few of your takes on some of the chaos gods. Khorne, while very much about slaughter for the sake of slaughter, is not about causing suffering, and defending yourself without causing undue suffering isn't something he wouldn't like. He would only have a problem with it if you were sneaky, used magic, or "cheated" somehow. Tzeentch also is not just about blind hope. He's also about curiosity, and the search for knowledge. Hope in something comes with the idea of there being an explanation, a method for changing, and it's not just a blind "oh, I hope this all gets better somehow". And Nurgle is the opposite of paralyzing fear. He is very much about acceptance of your fate, of a fatalistic and nihilistic view of things. All things die and rot, and Nurgle gives you peace with this fact.
Not entirely. While the Chaos Gods do feed on latent subconscious emotions and concepts, active worship is objectively more powerful. This is why the Emperor is a legitimate threat to the Chaos Gods, and why rituals and castings are more effective than the passive effects of Chaos.
@@Watcher97 Right, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Chaos is as powerful as it is now because of all the extremes in emotions ALL living things throughout the galaxy are currently experiencing or expressing. Sure worship of them helps to focus the dark gods' power on particular things in the physical world (usually to open lasting if not permanent tears between realms) but that isn't strictly necessary for their continued survival and thriving.
Head cannon for why imperial daemons are so rare are because Big E’s nature as an Anathema makes his very nature opposed to the idea so cranking them out is extremely hard, not to mention all the Imperial Daemons are Quality over Chaos’s Quantity
Well, if the story keeps following the whole giant empires rules the galaxy then collapses and then smaller empire becomes a giant empire cycle, the Tau are next in line……..
It's interesting that there might be forces in the Warp that could rival the power of the Chaos Gods, like the Enslavers, but they're just not intelligent or don't care about the material realm.
If gods like Thor and Zeus were partially real in warhammer 40k that would also mean that God was partially real before the emperor took over. Which is quite interesting to think about as these manifestations of human gods wouldn’t be fully materialized and would most likely have only influence over earth and the solar system. What makes this interesting is the fact that the warp is a roiling mass of hate but there’s a small bubble of peace and prosperity that generally correlates to where earth is located created by these small warp gods. It would be interesting to see the emperors view of these beings, although it makes complete sense the the emperor would want to get rid of these gods as a few of them were gods of war or had negative views or way of doing things. And these gods I’d imagine would often compete with each other as religions on earth often did
The flesh tearer novel explain the enslaver being the early warp creatures that invaded realspace due to the fact that demons and other malicious warp spawn have been destroying their soul hunting grounds hence needing to create a portal and eating planets before going back
Anyone remember Chaos divided factions? Like the daemon empires that existed for a time that battled the chaos gods. Good times. I think I recall a greater daemon of Tzeentch turning rogue and getting fairly far before dying to...other horrors.
@@bayu8762 too bad many videos are really inconsistent Like Marcus Vance who uses a 2010 Deathwatch game book as his main source of info Which is why he says Spartans are better than space marines in every way
@@inquisitormaddox8581 His argument is basically "well since these stories where Astartes do really impressive things are biased, so they don't count."
@@Divinemakyr That’s right And since a lot of Warhammer Writer don’t actually talk to each other They’ve also did some incessant inconsistencies Which is why a lot of people say that his argument is flawed
@Eric Nunya Yeah I agree humans can be somewhat durable in at the same time fragile for no real reason but we’re talking super soldiers and we’re talking about how inconsistent the information is on space marines
2:40 the Warp could be infinite without the Chaos gods controlling 0% of it, if they controlled a smaller infinite amount of it. Maybe each Chaos god controls 20% of the infinite warp, meaning it goes on forever but if you pick a random spot there's a 20% chance that it's owned by each of the gods.
That depends on if the percentage means the amount controlled per TOTAL amount of warp, or percentage controlled compared to other entities controlling it. That said, the warp is unlikely to be infinite, as it seems to be a very specific product of the Milky Way galaxy. If it exists beyond our galaxy, it probably has one of three natures: 1. empty and barren, as the rest of the universe is probably extremely empty, 2. blacked out by the Nids, as they may or may not have devoured all surrounding galaxies, or 3. each galaxy is populated with its own life forms, and the warp has taken shape based on whatever they are like.
@@spamhere1123 depth is also an option, so it could be a finite cylinder an area the size of the Milky Way and the height that is infinite, with Chaos just being the “thin” crust on top
The probability that any given line intersects a point with rational coordinates is 0, so in a sense the difference between at least the two "smallest" infinites is... infinity. Thought of another way, if you're on an island covered in a countably infinite number of landmines and you walk in a random direction the probability that you step on a mine is 0, assuming both the mines and your feet are points. (Keep in mind "0 probability" does not mean "0% chance"... at least that's what I've been told) Come to think of it that's an appropriate amount of mind explodery for the Warp.
It's because the Ethereals use the concept of 'the greater good' to controll the other castes. Like a 'die for you country' propaganda. They literally interfere with the whole of tau society with pheromones, manipulation and indoctrination, the Ethereals convinced their ENTIRE species that they can't function without an Ethereal, cause only the Ethereals can understand the true meaning of 'the greater good' or something. The Farsight enclave proves them wrong. So the Ethereals of the tau empire labeled them as enemies and heretics. And the warp entity threatens this. 'The greater good' is an illusion, a falsehood belief created to control, an idea, a singular mindset for an entire species so that the Ethereals can remain in power. But what if all tau could 'understand' the greater good? You see, the tau castes see it as pure and kind, a right to their entire species. The tau believe that the greater good is something worth fighting for, dying for, LIVING for! So in the warp, this new entity would be kind, caring, and would live for its people. Most importantly however, being a concious warp entity means it would have no need of the Ethereals. It could interact of it's own volition, and spread its own truth. The people will no longer need the Ethereals.Therefore it is heresy.
the tau view themselves as enlightened, with no need of superstitions. they view the concept of gods as backward and primitive. having a god exist that embodies your core beliefs despite you not believing in gods seems like it would be an insult. kind of like saying "cult of atheism"
@@Robb1977 that’s hilarious seeing how gods actually exist in 40k but I guess the tau have no need/capability to make gods that and well I don’t think tau know gods actually exist definitely warp stuff
So in your explanation of the greater good warp construct and speculation on Earth's historical pantheons possibly existing inside the warp in ancient times I think you may have figured out why the Emperor went on an atheistic genocide campaign. Maybe this has been suggested before but it just occurred to me right now. By eliminating all traces of religion in the empire of mankind the Emperor would also eliminate or severely reduce the power of any benevolent warp entities who could potentially threaten his ambition for galactic domination. If he is also somehow tied to the warp that would also explain why he now has some semblance of godlike power after 10,000 years of being worshipped like a diety.
No, in the last church, the emperor states the reason why he destroyed religion was that the varied faiths of humanity tore at the unity of itself and that humanity's faith must be directed toward science and rationalism to enter the golden age of mankind. This can be said that 'science' was the religion of humanity in the golden age and that it might have required the faith of humanity to work properly just as ork technology needs the belief of orks to function. There's a black library story about a surviving ai starship of immense power which despises 40k humanity and doesn't even consider it to be human. The powers it had were probably well into the range of warp magic as it was able to take move the bodies of the marines that boarded it like ragdolls and possibly even speak into their minds ('disembodied voice' though that might speakers in the walls). The answer to what happened to the gods of humanity when the religions were destroyed was that their faith went to 'science' and the ais became their entities.
@@CtrlAltRetreat The Emperor lies more than he tells the truth. He also said he was eliminating religion because of the brutality and suffering it caused however the Emperor has probably been responsible for more brutality and suffering than any one man in human history. I'm sure he feels he is justified in his actions but you can't take anything he says at face value. The AI controlling the marines wasn't warp magic, I'm pretty sure it was just so advanced that it easily hacked their suits. Science could very well have became humanity's religion in part, that would certainly explain the idea of the machine spirits but I don't think that was always the case before the fall of mankind and certainly isn't the same level of worship that is given to the Emperor.
@@TheGoodLuc Perhaps, but I would imagine that it's much easier to convert large groups of people to a new religion than it is to convert them to atheism so if he didn't have an objection to religion he would have just established his own faith early on and spread it throughout the imperium. I think eliminating religion altogether reduces the chances of splinter groups seperating off and providing power to a potential rival entity within the warp.
I'd love some rare friendly warp entities as well (not aligned with the Emperor). I think I've read on wiki that there are some rare neutral or even friendly ones, and it would even make sense
the concept of friendly or at least non hostile warp entities is fascinating and could make some really interesting story lines. The fact that humanity accidentally created a friendly god in the warp from the Tau theology is very interesting too, because if thats the case, if enough of humanity was generating positive feelings, the warp could become a far more friendly place.
NOTICE! Good to know you may take ideas from the comments. With that in mind I’d like to propose and video about what remains of ‘our’ era in 40K. That’s something I’ve been interested in for a long time. PS: Happy Birthday PPS: Please tell me if you see this comment. So I know I don’t have to keep posting this idea in the comments of every video.
When it comes to "loyalist daemons", I take them more as an effect of faith and strong will of said person (Celestine, Damned Legionares etc.) than Emperor's work - he seems very apathetic to his subject and stern supporter of pure grey atheism (also, he never created them before in previous crises, so why would he change his attitude so suddenly?) Imho it's more like Celestine/Legionares etc. said "F**k it, I'm keeping on fighthing", and through sheer force of will risen again as daemons.
So idk how well tts represent the actual lore. But from what I know, the Emperor's soul is shattered in multiple warp entities. It's possible that while most oppose loyalists daemons, some don't and actively want to make them (basically parts of the Emperor's soul that value the survival and victory of man kind more then they value atheism). It would also explain why there's so few loyalists daemons, since only a small fraction of the Emperor's soul would be willing to make them and only when they are desperately needed.
- Skulltaker: My lord, there are two intruders fighting outside the Brass Citadel! Orders? - Khorne: FOOLS!! HOW THEY DARE??!! THE HOUNDS SHALL FEAST IN THEIR BLOOD TODAY!! PREPARE THE LEGIONS!! - Gork (or maybe Mork): WAAAAAGH!!! - Khorne: oh, they are..."them" - Skulltaker: My lord? - Khorne: Shhh.. Don't make noises and just hope they don't start throwing each other through the citadel * hides behind the throne *
Hey, Majorkill, long time viewer, first time caller, I know you did a video on the methods of time travel that exist in 40k, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone go into the implications of time travel, other than Luetin (and though his was great, it was more a meditation on the Warp and its relation with Realspace with a basis in quantum theory, rather than exploring what time travel could mean for the setting.) Maybe even some speculation as to if the fate of mankind during the Age of Strife, and hell, maybe even the Eldar, are set in stone and unchangeable. After all, remember that time traveling exploratory ship? And what would that mean for the Imperium? Why did it show up in the 41st millennium? If we’re going on the notion that mankind was borderline godlike in terms of technology and intellect, doesn’t it seem like a really weird move to just randomly pop outta the warp? I mean, I get that it’s a fucked up place, but if the Chaos Gods see time in a non-linear perspective, could it be possible to assume that the mere existence of Tzeentch is proof that we could destroy Chaos? If so, doesn’t that make him the most vulnerable piece on the galactic board, as well as the most powerful being in existence? If we took him out (assuming it’s even possible, given the shifty fucker,) what would that even mean? Would it even matter? Tzeentch is literally the god of conniving schemes and underhanded bullshit, so who’s to say that we wouldn’t just give him exactly what he wants if we even managed to momentarily kill him? And what of mankind’s federation? Are they still around? If not, then it makes sense, until you consider the existence of the Interex, as well as the Shadow in the Warp being able to block astropathic communication (and probably the astronomicon, if we’re being honest,) which leads to the question that if the interex had tech that rivaled the Imperium during the Crusade, then who else survived, and where are the other survivors? Did we kill them all? Or did they fuck up, realize they fucked up, and then decide to go BACK to the DAOT in order to set in motion a cyclical chain of causality that will, one day, unfuck everything? Am I just reading into it too much? Great video, regardless. Have a great day!
I remember Lion El'Jonson having access to this weird warp machine that might have been able to time travel but required access to some warp creature that lived in Caliban and some artefact that the Desth Guard had but I don't remember the exact details.
It is now my personal headcannon, that the warp entity, that the Emperor dragged out of the warp to stuff into a bit of flesh inside a gestation pod, that should eventually come to be known as Leman Russ, was once known as (or at least part of) the norse pantheon. And maybe a shard of what once was known as Odin was stuffed into Space Odin, aka Magnus the Red (probably with some more egyptian warp entities, hence the style).
What if World Eaters never started putting the Butcher's Nails into their own members? On the other hand, what if Perturabo decided to start putting Butcher's Nails into his own gene sons that failed/displeased or straight up pissed him off enough?
What If chaos worshipers used butchers nails as some fucked up sci-fi form of cbt on an Eldar before feeding his soul to Slaanesh? The possibilities are endless! XD
Tau God could be created not by auxillaries, but by the Tay themselves. In a second Farsight book, Tzeench demon said that while one Tau soul is bleak, a trillion of them is something like a lighthouse.
I always wondered what the other races in 40k thought of the emperor and the primarchs... I thought about it because (i think it was) in "Dark Imperium" one of the Eldar met Girlymann and was disgusted by a comment that Eldrad Ulthran made that the primarchs were in some aspects superior to the eldar
The Orks do actually harbour a deep respect for the Emperor as they see him as the greatest warrior, and hence a great rival. I'd recommend checking out Waaargh: Orks from Rogue Trader, 1990, page 62 - Da Godz: Orks and the Imperial Cult section.
@@YuGiOhAbridgeFAN Humanities is the ork favorite fight. They tried to match Ork waaagh energy with "For the Emperor" screaming across their lungs. Their stuff can be reuse by Ork, Ork can't make use of Eldar, Necron or Tyranid. Human favour melee fight which the Ork also loved.
Cherubael is probably my favorite non big 4 Chaos aligned Demon Prince. His little monologue at the end of "The Magos" was epic. Cherubael and Eisenhorn's bromance is one of the best in the lore I feel.
What if the Emperor decided to wait for the Primarchs to reach him (let's say a landing on Terra itself) from their personal empires? Who would reach him, who would fail, and who would never try to find him?
It would be cool to see what happened to the solar system, as far as I know there's holy Terra, mechanicus Mars, the moon base and those weird crusade era mega servitor drone ships
I actually heard that with worship creating its own warp god, that this was the exact case with the Mechanicus. Thou there is the whole thing with the Void Dragon, I heard that their devotion to the Machine God actually created a separate god that was actually the Machine God. Feel free to correct me if I'm mossing something.
If you have playe Rimworld and downloaded the 40k stuff you will have come across an icon I am fond of. It is for the Ideology of 'Abstract Orkism' and it features out beloved Mork and Gork doing what they do best and often... fighting each other. However, the red and purples flow together to create this Ying and Yang symbol that is... perfect to explain them.
@@nathanalexandre9043 My money is on Gork and Mork. When the Kork were a thing the Warp gods were nothing during the war in heaven. Khorne may think he always was, but Gork and Mork are older and far more powerful.
10:49 I will agree, it is unfortunate that so many cool, and imaginative deamons or spiritual entities NOT aligned with Chaos are ignored by not just GW but even much of the fanbase. I think most fans think that just because Chaos are the BIGGEST on the block that means that the ENTIRE warp must be utterly theirs, no it is not. *As powerful as chaos is they can't gobble up every thought or every emotion that floats around or gets incarnated within the warp,* countless other entities of varying levels of WTF can and do exist, they're just much less powerful but no less dangerous than the dark 'gods'. (though many of these entities are probably on the level of greater deamons of Chaos if not more powerful even)
while that is true, I don't think its really the fault of fans for ignoring the greater variety of Warp creatures considering just about no one is pumping out stories involving anything about them.
Imagine if the emperor didn't have all religions destroyed he would have a bunch of gods also protecting humanity considering belief can create extremely powerful warp entities considering the size of the imperium they would be more powerful
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If they ever decided to "end" the 40k timeline, I'd want it to be via the Loyalist Daemons. Maybe the Emperor's death releases the most powerful celestials who take one look at the universe and they're all, "Oh yeah, this shit's got to go."
The best analogy for the Enslavers I've heard was they were a kind of immune response from the Warp. Once they got the psykers culled the immune response called down.
I love that man, the fact that the ork gods are the most powerful but just hate each other so much they don’t care about conquest gives me a dose of serotonin
Tbf, I don't think it's confirmed they're the most powerful, but I imagine they are pretty powerful, being created by the fervent "worship" (more like frenzied "warship" hehe) of one of the most numerous intelligent species in the galaxy.
Theory for en-slaver, the creatures gobbled up enough psykers that they could realize at the current rate it would be better to go to a dead end of the galaxy and feed off passive agony waves....
I have a theory on why the Enslaver plague disappeared, maybe either Gork and Mork decided that these big things looked like a fun fight and beat the shit out them, and then got into an argument one who killed more, hence beginning their infinite duel. Either that or Khorne and Tzeentch saw the Enslavers as not too fun or a good fight for the time being.
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INB4 Seth reveals that they're actually 3 Chaos Gods in a trench coat and this was all a clever ploy to get some documentation on their enemies.
Happy Birthday Major.
Just had my own 5 days ago! Love to see the beautiful merch!
Good crusade lads, i think it's time we all earned a rest.
good job man
You’re the real MVP
Mvp of the day right here
The emperor is pleased.
You crazy bastard you actually did it
Saw one theory that might explain the enslavers. Basically, the Eldar hid in the web way while the Krorks handled it, the Krorks were actually the main weapon against the Necrons, not the Eldar (who were more designed to deal with the C’Tan), it was the Krorks who really encouraged the Necrons to go to ground and wait a couple millions years for things to settle down/let the Krorks and Eldar wane, it was the war against the enslavers that really broke the Krork empire and reduced them into Orks. Then the Eldar re-emerged from the webway, and since they’d spent the time recovering not having to worry about the enslavers, they were able to deal with any leftover Enslavers and Krorks, and able to establish themselves as the dominant power in the Milky Way.
awesome theory man, but i think the eldar had to be a bit involved, maybe near the end foresaw the enslavers, took a look at their losses and let the krorks handle it
This is a solid theory
makes a lot of sense
That sounds far more in character with those knife eared cowards than anything else I heard. And then since nobody was around to fact check they're just like yeah we did it we are the best most perfect beings and everyone else are simple minded barbarians. And they have been saying that so long that they have begun to actually believe it themselves.
So maybe the enslavers were just another creation of the old ones to deal with the Kroks after beating the Necrons. But then it went rogue and offed them instead. I mean, what's the purpose of beating the Necrons if your Galaxy is now full of bloodthirsty fungi? They must have had some kind of contingency plan.
Gork and Mork might just be my favorite warp entities because i love that there's just two unstoppable beasts having a bar brawl through the immaterium and everyone is just trying to ignore them lmao
I like to imagine Nurgle perfected the greatest plague ever. Then all of a suddent Gork and Mork burst through the wall beating the crap out of each other not only knocking over Nurgle's cauldron, but then using said cauldron to knock each other over the head with. Meanwhile Nurgle is just sitting there hoping they don't grab Isha and use her body as a club.
Tzeentch: Thank you all of you for meeting me here-
Announcer: *WATCH OUT! WATCH OUT! GORK COMING IN WITH THE STEEL CHAIR!*
MORK: **Manly Warcry**
**The entire immaterium shakes**
Tzeentch: what was that?
Khorne: Ignore them, I like their ambience
*stay tf out their way. Lol
@@d.n5287 i feel like Khorne would jump in for the lols
@@Bagheera2 Gork and Mork would beat the shit of Khorne with so much ease that it won't be funny. Remember, they fight each other cuz there's no other one worth enough to fight.
Just imagine the Warp as a run of the mill bar. You got Gork and Mork fighting in 1 corner, the 4 chaos gods fighting or helping each other time to time, and the God Emperor of Mankind just crying in the corner, slowly fixing himself from his fight with his family.
Don't forget the beaten up passed out drunk gods of the eldar
@@strangeatlas835 and the chalk outlines of the eldar gods slaanesh killed just after they were born 😂
You forgot the greater good standing there getting laughed by everyone else at while pleading for everyone to get along.
@@NegaZxyz Forgot about the greater good being a god now; pretty interesting stuff
The Warp has so much potential than just the home of the chaos gods. Wish GW would explore this aspect of the setting a bit more.
Becareful what you wish. Cause they might even fkup even more than it is.
Sometimes its best not to explore and create something worse
@@lordoblivion8038 ... I mean, it's the warp.
'fucked up' is kind of the default setting.
Be it unicorns and rainbows, endless grey shitfields, or the untamed post-organic black writhing mass of unexistence at the end of the corridor of doors ajar, pretty much anything goes, as far as warp fuckery is concerned.
Also, stagnation is regression, and regression is death.
Progress before all, so that the flux of time will wash away the depths of the valleys with the height of mountains.
@@Volvith spoken like a true herald of tzeench
@Volvith the irony here is that fucked up isn't the warps 'default' setting.
@@MrHighRaw yeah it’s the new default setting thank the war in heaven for that
Enslavers are the dark warp entities accidentally created by the old ones and their reflection in the warp. It make perfect sense, they were spawning slave races like it was nothing and sending them to die in droves for their war. They had lost their morals and become slavers in order to survive. After they all died and left the slavers mostly also went away.
This is actually a good theory ngl
Really interesting to learn about different warp entities that aren't anything to do with chaos
However influential the dark gods were in the warp it is a large place likely larger then the entire galaxy
Talk about the galaxy, I wonder what the Warhammer UNIVERSE is like!
@@Nverdis supposedly just like ours but way more like a cluster fuck
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Yeah. The warp is basically a massive ocean, and The chaos realm is just 4 massive Islands with their own towns and ports filled with degenerates.
4 massive Tortugas.
@@brok56 damn that’s about as good of an explanation you could ask for especially sense the chaos realms does have actual planets obviously there fucked up but that’s besides the point
Since belief and feelings has something to do with making warp entities, and that humanity spews out enough to accelerate things, the fact that most of humanities' existence has pretty much *always* adored cats to the level of worship or just below that makes me think that somewhere in the warp is an unfathomably powerful kitten. I call this theoretical kitten 'Cattra the Impurrishable"
There's a TTS joke in this theory somewhere
@@FossorialFungus I don't think that this theoretical "Kitten" is entirely fiction in TTS, I believe that they may be hiding in plain sight.
Adorable Sphinxes popping out of warp rifts
@@HunkyPizza
We did see captain General convert To a cat for a moment when he was being attacked by tzeentch during their card game over magnuses soul.
Coinsidence?
Since GW really love Egyptian vibes, I'm pretty sure Bastet didn't disappear since ancient times and is still extremely powerful, albeit obscure.
Its interesting that khaine actually changed his destiny and almost saved the eldar pantheon
It's what makes him different from his fantasy incarnation. He's not a villain in 40k, he's an antihero.
@@nothingnobody1454 do eldar gods need followers to exist or they are different from the chaos gods?
@@custodianguardofthemagyari216 They feed off of psychic energy/faith just like the other gods so yeah they need followers.
Might have some wiggle room due to Khaine's whole "kill the eldar" stunt but not sure.
They're also implied HEAVILY to be sentient warp weapons engineered either directly or indirectly by the Old Ones
@@custodianguardofthemagyari216 I don't know for a fact I can only guess. I'd guess that eldar gods are more self sufficient post construction while chaos is always shifting in response to environment. Of course, the chaos gods were ALSO created by the eldar. Just not on purpose.
@@nothingnobody1454 well it is quite ironic that if khain would have succeded killing the eldar the pantheon would have survived
Gork and Mork just brawling around in the warp whilst every other entity in there tries to deadpan act that they don't notice it paints such a hilarious picture. Imagining Khorne not wanting any part of the kerfuffle makes it even more hilarious.
Khorne likes battle but even he finds Gork and Mork excessive, IG
Kinda fascinating to think that in the canon of 40k, ALL of mankind’s gods were real before grandpa emperor went around setting all of terra’s churches on fire,
Hoo I don't know that thank you. Is made the interaction of the big E and gods different.
It’s like in American Gods where every pantheon exists
Chances are the emperor was seen as a god on a few occasions
Yeah been wondering about that kinda dumb for emperor not to have these gods be at humanity side
now I have a pretty cool concept of people secretly learning of these gods, and cults growing for them and eventually bringing them all back somehow.
Now without a doubt these would be considered outright heresy by the entire Imperium, but come on the idea of Thor, Greek and Roman gods among many others shoving their fists up Chao's ass in a massive warp battle certainly prickles my fancy lmao
Indigenous Warp life has been theorized to exist for long before since the War in Heaven. From Cherubeal we learn that there are Courts and kingdoms within the warp that have absolutely nothing to do with Chaos. Chaos is just deep corruption of the warp itself through an oversaturation of emotions and they are interlopers/parasites that don't belong in either the native Warp or in realspace. Unfortunately that's as deep as he gets in the book. It should be one of the last two Eisenhorn books. He basically says it in a moment of disgust when he was compared to a slaved chaos demon.
Well his name is derived from the abrahamic texts
It's too bad he was way off the mark though.
@@nathanalexandre9043 I dont think he is though
@@nathanalexandre9043 how is the greater demon way off the mark? If there would be any authority of canon on this it would be the combination of Dan abnett and the greater demons enslaved by eisenhorn
I have the Theory that the Enslavers were meant to regulate the Warp when crap hits the fan but as the Warp gets unstable, their purpose and instinct went beyond their original responsibilities, causing them to just get out of the Warp because the mortals cant even get quiet for once if they really need to calm the Immaterium [This also answers as to Why they killed the Old ones, because they were the ones abusing the Warp
As to how they vanished, perhaps they gotten starved and went back to the Warp but scattered as they get starved with the Eldar hiding on the Webway?
I heard that at one point, the Enslavers came back and attacked an Imperial Territory, but were much weaker than they were after the War in Heaven and defeated by the Imperial Guard. Considering that the War in Heaven was supposed to be far greater in scale and devastation than any other conflict in 40K, perhaps that ties into your theory, and they were so much weaker because the Warp was (if you can believe it) not as unstable as it was during that time.
Could you imagine how funny it would be if the emperor like the one from tts was awakened with all of the loyalist demons around and was just like “WHAT THE SHIT ARE THESE”
Other Warp Gods and entities: “This part of the warp is my territory, none may enter it!”
Gork and Mork: *Wrestlemania 40k*
8:24 I actually have a head canon that the warp entities that the Emperor infused into the Primarchs are actually the remnants of various gods from throughout human history
That would explain why each Primarch has a different theme.
I love this theory!
Actually each entity is just what the Emperor was at one time so he gifted each of his sons those but only a little bit each.
@@thomasbaird1299 the entire character of mortarion gets more disturbing if this is true
It would make sense. If the emperor was looking for minor warp gods, he would use human ones if they were available, even if they were remnants, being about a pure human race as he was, that keeps everything in house, so to speak.
For example, lorgar could have gotten the aztec- Homosexual Prostitution God: Xōchipilli
The non-chaos warp entities will always be more interesting to me than the chaos ones because you can do so much more with them. The chaos entities all follow their own motifs, but a random warp entity can be like what we think of as traditional, insidious hellspawn, or they can be eldritch cosmic horrors, the possibilities are as endless as the warp’s realities.
One of the saddest things about the TTS series being cancelled is that we didn't get to see the avatar of the greater good make an appearance on the warp chat and talk to the other gods.
Damn…that would of been awesome
10:40 The thing is Chaos doesn't rely on direct or deliberate worship, they primarily feed of latent emotions, which is as abundant if not WAY more so than prayers to the Emperor.
Correct, and, unfortunately for the followers of the Emperor, even doing things FOR the Emperor or for his Imperium can serve Chaos goals. Ruthlessly slaughter the enemies of Mankind with righteous fury? Khorne ain't unhappy about that, he appreciates a good fight. Create a complex strategy to defeat an enemy, improve a world's economy, or do some political maneuvering? Tzeentch is right there, giving pointers for how your plan could be improved. Slaanesh is self-explanatory, humans clearly make a LOT of babies in 40k, and it's not too hard to go from "sex is nice" to "I must have it, consequences be damned". Even being stoic and fatalistic about your inevitable brutal death serving the Emperor pleases Nurgle; he would just rather you do it for him, since he... _appreciates_ it so much more.
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To clarify, not literally EVERYTHING people do in the Warhammer 40k universe directly empowers the Chaos gods. Take for instance Slaanesh, fans often mistake excess with things like orgies or literally any not vanilla sex, that's far from the actual truth about this warp entity. As long as it's consensual and doesn't forsake anyone else, it IS indeed ok. (won't feed Slaanesh) No, *Slaanesh is the god of obsessions,* basically when doing those pleasurable things is ALL that matters to someone anymore or for those starting out on a dark path such things start taking more and more precedent over other aspects of their lives. (atleast if they have any life outside such or other relationships) Similarly the other *Chaos gods embody this obsessiveness* with one or a few particular things above anything else, *slaughter for its own sake* rather than simply defending oneself (no unnecessary cruelty) feeds Khorne the most. *"Blind hope"* is Tzeentch's ambrosia, *hope with practicality* won't give him anything worthwhile. *Being so afraid of death and pain to the point of being paralyzed makes Nurgle VERY happy,* those that don't fear death so much (but aren't eager to die) or can edure much pain (but certainly not encouraging it) makes ole'grandpa filth very...disappointed. *Remember its an excess, NOT the mere presence of emotions that feeds Chaos,* and unfortunately many suffer so much that going towards extremes of anything comes very easily. (anything to escape their misery or grimdark fates)
*"when you've been horribly abused your whole life even aligning with literal devils seems sound, especially when they offer that much sought after relief you are desperate for".*
@@navilluscire2567 You are correct, and of course I am aware that not every little feeling empowers the Chaos gods, but my point is that even good-intentioned and otherwise innocuous acts and feelings can be a road to falling to Chaos. After all, the Chaos gods formed from normal human (and others, including of course, the Eldar) emotions. Khorne was said to have formed around, well, our lifetimes, or a few centuries before, as did Nurgle. And things now are clearly not as extreme as they are in the 40k universe. They are not PURELY the embodiment of extreme emotion; they merely tend to that, because they self-perpetuate the more normal and balanced feelings that created them, and when you prioritize one aspect of emotion and consciousness over all others, of course it will tend to the extreme.
The only exception to this in the Chaos pantheon is, in my opinion, Slaanesh, as it is specifically the god of excess, and was formed by EXTREME and INORDINATE levels of hedonism. But the rest are the products of very much everyday feelings of everyday people.
Edit to add: I disagree on a few of your takes on some of the chaos gods. Khorne, while very much about slaughter for the sake of slaughter, is not about causing suffering, and defending yourself without causing undue suffering isn't something he wouldn't like. He would only have a problem with it if you were sneaky, used magic, or "cheated" somehow. Tzeentch also is not just about blind hope. He's also about curiosity, and the search for knowledge. Hope in something comes with the idea of there being an explanation, a method for changing, and it's not just a blind "oh, I hope this all gets better somehow". And Nurgle is the opposite of paralyzing fear. He is very much about acceptance of your fate, of a fatalistic and nihilistic view of things. All things die and rot, and Nurgle gives you peace with this fact.
Not entirely. While the Chaos Gods do feed on latent subconscious emotions and concepts, active worship is objectively more powerful. This is why the Emperor is a legitimate threat to the Chaos Gods, and why rituals and castings are more effective than the passive effects of Chaos.
@@Watcher97
Right, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Chaos is as powerful as it is now because of all the extremes in emotions ALL living things throughout the galaxy are currently experiencing or expressing. Sure worship of them helps to focus the dark gods' power on particular things in the physical world (usually to open lasting if not permanent tears between realms) but that isn't strictly necessary for their continued survival and thriving.
Head cannon for why imperial daemons are so rare are because Big E’s nature as an Anathema makes his very nature opposed to the idea so cranking them out is extremely hard, not to mention all the Imperial Daemons are Quality over Chaos’s Quantity
The Greater Good entity is interesting. Is there a chance that a Tau God Emperor emerges? That would have a huge impact on the setting.
The ethereals are basically Tau emperor
How do you think they evolved from cavemen to galactic empire with hundreds of planet in just 3000 years?
Well, if the story keeps following the whole giant empires rules the galaxy then collapses and then smaller empire becomes a giant empire cycle, the Tau are next in line……..
Tau'va
He did it lol. stamina pays off. Well done seth.
And thx majorkill.
It's interesting that there might be forces in the Warp that could rival the power of the Chaos Gods, like the Enslavers, but they're just not intelligent or don't care about the material realm.
Gork and Mork being chief example
Chaos-aligned warp entities would be pretty interesting
Ahh shit here we go again
ngl
True bro
There are trillions of them inside our minds lmao.
Literally just demons
If gods like Thor and Zeus were partially real in warhammer 40k that would also mean that God was partially real before the emperor took over. Which is quite interesting to think about as these manifestations of human gods wouldn’t be fully materialized and would most likely have only influence over earth and the solar system. What makes this interesting is the fact that the warp is a roiling mass of hate but there’s a small bubble of peace and prosperity that generally correlates to where earth is located created by these small warp gods. It would be interesting to see the emperors view of these beings, although it makes complete sense the the emperor would want to get rid of these gods as a few of them were gods of war or had negative views or way of doing things.
And these gods I’d imagine would often compete with each other as religions on earth often did
Yeah. The various Human Gods were probably what kept Earth and Humanity safe for much of human history.
Seth Leoric is a man of focus, commitment and sheer will!
The flesh tearer novel explain the enslaver being the early warp creatures that invaded realspace due to the fact that demons and other malicious warp spawn have been destroying their soul hunting grounds hence needing to create a portal and eating planets before going back
I am proud to say I discovered Majorkill first than Astartes!
Bro same
Anyone remember Chaos divided factions?
Like the daemon empires that existed for a time that battled the chaos gods. Good times.
I think I recall a greater daemon of Tzeentch turning rogue and getting fairly far before dying to...other horrors.
Space marine capabilities are often inconsistent what do you guys think on their stats
This idea would be a cool video ngl....
Wait
@@bayu8762 too bad many videos are really inconsistent
Like Marcus Vance who uses a 2010 Deathwatch game book as his main source of info
Which is why he says Spartans are better than space marines in every way
@@inquisitormaddox8581 His argument is basically "well since these stories where Astartes do really impressive things are biased, so they don't count."
@@Divinemakyr That’s right
And since a lot of Warhammer Writer don’t actually talk to each other They’ve also did some incessant inconsistencies
Which is why a lot of people say that his argument is flawed
@Eric Nunya Yeah I agree humans can be somewhat durable in at the same time fragile for no real reason but we’re talking super soldiers and we’re talking about how inconsistent the information is on space marines
2:40 the Warp could be infinite without the Chaos gods controlling 0% of it, if they controlled a smaller infinite amount of it. Maybe each Chaos god controls 20% of the infinite warp, meaning it goes on forever but if you pick a random spot there's a 20% chance that it's owned by each of the gods.
That depends on if the percentage means the amount controlled per TOTAL amount of warp, or percentage controlled compared to other entities controlling it.
That said, the warp is unlikely to be infinite, as it seems to be a very specific product of the Milky Way galaxy. If it exists beyond our galaxy, it probably has one of three natures: 1. empty and barren, as the rest of the universe is probably extremely empty, 2. blacked out by the Nids, as they may or may not have devoured all surrounding galaxies, or 3. each galaxy is populated with its own life forms, and the warp has taken shape based on whatever they are like.
@@spamhere1123 depth is also an option, so it could be a finite cylinder an area the size of the Milky Way and the height that is infinite, with Chaos just being the “thin” crust on top
It's shape is irrelevant, and probably meaningless as the warp does not abide by standard rules of logic, reason, physics, or geometry.
The probability that any given line intersects a point with rational coordinates is 0, so in a sense the difference between at least the two "smallest" infinites is... infinity.
Thought of another way, if you're on an island covered in a countably infinite number of landmines and you walk in a random direction the probability that you step on a mine is 0, assuming both the mines and your feet are points.
(Keep in mind "0 probability" does not mean "0% chance"... at least that's what I've been told)
Come to think of it that's an appropriate amount of mind explodery for the Warp.
@@fluffly3606 it's technically 0+ (the + should be small and at the top right of the 0) which means infinitely close to 0 but still more then 0
I never understood why the tau hated the greater good warp construct.
Tau are racist against other species, not xenophobic, so they hate what the other species made out of their own philosophy
It's because the Ethereals use the concept of 'the greater good' to controll the other castes. Like a 'die for you country' propaganda. They literally interfere with the whole of tau society with pheromones, manipulation and indoctrination, the Ethereals convinced their ENTIRE species that they can't function without an Ethereal, cause only the Ethereals can understand the true meaning of 'the greater good' or something. The Farsight enclave proves them wrong. So the Ethereals of the tau empire labeled them as enemies and heretics.
And the warp entity threatens this. 'The greater good' is an illusion, a falsehood belief created to control, an idea, a singular mindset for an entire species so that the Ethereals can remain in power.
But what if all tau could 'understand' the greater good? You see, the tau castes see it as pure and kind, a right to their entire species. The tau believe that the greater good is something worth fighting for, dying for, LIVING for! So in the warp, this new entity would be kind, caring, and would live for its people.
Most importantly however, being a concious warp entity means it would have no need of the Ethereals. It could interact of it's own volition, and spread its own truth. The people will no longer need the Ethereals.Therefore it is heresy.
the tau view themselves as enlightened, with no need of superstitions. they view the concept of gods as backward and primitive. having a god exist that embodies your core beliefs despite you not believing in gods seems like it would be an insult.
kind of like saying "cult of atheism"
@@Robb1977 that’s hilarious seeing how gods actually exist in 40k but I guess the tau have no need/capability to make gods that and well I don’t think tau know gods actually exist definitely warp stuff
@@Robb1977 This
So in your explanation of the greater good warp construct and speculation on Earth's historical pantheons possibly existing inside the warp in ancient times I think you may have figured out why the Emperor went on an atheistic genocide campaign. Maybe this has been suggested before but it just occurred to me right now. By eliminating all traces of religion in the empire of mankind the Emperor would also eliminate or severely reduce the power of any benevolent warp entities who could potentially threaten his ambition for galactic domination. If he is also somehow tied to the warp that would also explain why he now has some semblance of godlike power after 10,000 years of being worshipped like a diety.
And I'm sure the Emperor did try religious path.
No, in the last church, the emperor states the reason why he destroyed religion was that the varied faiths of humanity tore at the unity of itself and that humanity's faith must be directed toward science and rationalism to enter the golden age of mankind. This can be said that 'science' was the religion of humanity in the golden age and that it might have required the faith of humanity to work properly just as ork technology needs the belief of orks to function. There's a black library story about a surviving ai starship of immense power which despises 40k humanity and doesn't even consider it to be human. The powers it had were probably well into the range of warp magic as it was able to take move the bodies of the marines that boarded it like ragdolls and possibly even speak into their minds ('disembodied voice' though that might speakers in the walls). The answer to what happened to the gods of humanity when the religions were destroyed was that their faith went to 'science' and the ais became their entities.
@@CtrlAltRetreat The Emperor lies more than he tells the truth. He also said he was eliminating religion because of the brutality and suffering it caused however the Emperor has probably been responsible for more brutality and suffering than any one man in human history. I'm sure he feels he is justified in his actions but you can't take anything he says at face value.
The AI controlling the marines wasn't warp magic, I'm pretty sure it was just so advanced that it easily hacked their suits. Science could very well have became humanity's religion in part, that would certainly explain the idea of the machine spirits but I don't think that was always the case before the fall of mankind and certainly isn't the same level of worship that is given to the Emperor.
@@TheGoodLuc Perhaps, but I would imagine that it's much easier to convert large groups of people to a new religion than it is to convert them to atheism so if he didn't have an objection to religion he would have just established his own faith early on and spread it throughout the imperium. I think eliminating religion altogether reduces the chances of splinter groups seperating off and providing power to a potential rival entity within the warp.
@@Aasmodeuss Which was one of the explanations in spaceballs fanfics. So it's plausible.
Do a video on the Eldar gods. You can include the classic line up like Khaine and Vaul, but also the animal gods, like the Cobra god.
I'd love some rare friendly warp entities as well (not aligned with the Emperor). I think I've read on wiki that there are some rare neutral or even friendly ones, and it would even make sense
Hope we get legion of the damned rules for 9th or 10th edition and a model line refresh
the concept of friendly or at least non hostile warp entities is fascinating and could make some really interesting story lines. The fact that humanity accidentally created a friendly god in the warp from the Tau theology is very interesting too, because if thats the case, if enough of humanity was generating positive feelings, the warp could become a far more friendly place.
Non chaos aligned warp entities and magic would be a cool video ngl
I’ll second that!🏎
Humans: *believes in entity/god*
The emperor: "how many times do I have to teach you this lesson old man?!?!"
NOTICE!
Good to know you may take ideas from the comments. With that in mind I’d like to propose and video about what remains of ‘our’ era in 40K. That’s something I’ve been interested in for a long time.
PS: Happy Birthday
PPS: Please tell me if you see this comment. So I know I don’t have to keep posting this idea in the comments of every video.
WE NEED PPL TO GET THIS UP RIGHT NOW
NOW!!!
There's probably some STC with some info of technology of this era referenced somewhere, and I think some novel referenced the GW Black Library
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@@fabien6198 I didn’t expect this to be so popular.
I had no idea that the warp was so diverse. You could make some interesting lore out of it alone.
2:31 I hope that Imperium ship have an insurance for Warp-related incidents
When it comes to "loyalist daemons", I take them more as an effect of faith and strong will of said person (Celestine, Damned Legionares etc.) than Emperor's work - he seems very apathetic to his subject and stern supporter of pure grey atheism (also, he never created them before in previous crises, so why would he change his attitude so suddenly?) Imho it's more like Celestine/Legionares etc. said "F**k it, I'm keeping on fighthing", and through sheer force of will risen again as daemons.
So idk how well tts represent the actual lore. But from what I know, the Emperor's soul is shattered in multiple warp entities.
It's possible that while most oppose loyalists daemons, some don't and actively want to make them (basically parts of the Emperor's soul that value the survival and victory of man kind more then they value atheism).
It would also explain why there's so few loyalists daemons, since only a small fraction of the Emperor's soul would be willing to make them and only when they are desperately needed.
ever thought the chaos gods were enslavers that became so powerful after feeding off the souls of the war tin heaven
- Skulltaker: My lord, there are two intruders fighting outside the Brass Citadel! Orders?
- Khorne: FOOLS!! HOW THEY DARE??!! THE HOUNDS SHALL FEAST IN THEIR BLOOD TODAY!! PREPARE THE LEGIONS!!
- Gork (or maybe Mork): WAAAAAGH!!!
- Khorne: oh, they are..."them"
- Skulltaker: My lord?
- Khorne: Shhh.. Don't make noises and just hope they don't start throwing each other through the citadel * hides behind the throne *
Congrats! Got your models in the mail today. They look great :)
Happy birthday warhammer chad, I first started watching your videos and warhammer lore when I first got Covid about a year ago
Hey, Majorkill, long time viewer, first time caller,
I know you did a video on the methods of time travel that exist in 40k, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone go into the implications of time travel, other than Luetin (and though his was great, it was more a meditation on the Warp and its relation with Realspace with a basis in quantum theory, rather than exploring what time travel could mean for the setting.) Maybe even some speculation as to if the fate of mankind during the Age of Strife, and hell, maybe even the Eldar, are set in stone and unchangeable. After all, remember that time traveling exploratory ship? And what would that mean for the Imperium? Why did it show up in the 41st millennium? If we’re going on the notion that mankind was borderline godlike in terms of technology and intellect, doesn’t it seem like a really weird move to just randomly pop outta the warp? I mean, I get that it’s a fucked up place, but if the Chaos Gods see time in a non-linear perspective, could it be possible to assume that the mere existence of Tzeentch is proof that we could destroy Chaos? If so, doesn’t that make him the most vulnerable piece on the galactic board, as well as the most powerful being in existence? If we took him out (assuming it’s even possible, given the shifty fucker,) what would that even mean? Would it even matter? Tzeentch is literally the god of conniving schemes and underhanded bullshit, so who’s to say that we wouldn’t just give him exactly what he wants if we even managed to momentarily kill him? And what of mankind’s federation? Are they still around? If not, then it makes sense, until you consider the existence of the Interex, as well as the Shadow in the Warp being able to block astropathic communication (and probably the astronomicon, if we’re being honest,) which leads to the question that if the interex had tech that rivaled the Imperium during the Crusade, then who else survived, and where are the other survivors? Did we kill them all? Or did they fuck up, realize they fucked up, and then decide to go BACK to the DAOT in order to set in motion a cyclical chain of causality that will, one day, unfuck everything? Am I just reading into it too much?
Great video, regardless.
Have a great day!
I remember Lion El'Jonson having access to this weird warp machine that might have been able to time travel but required access to some warp creature that lived in Caliban and some artefact that the Desth Guard had but I don't remember the exact details.
It is now my personal headcannon, that the warp entity, that the Emperor dragged out of the warp to stuff into a bit of flesh inside a gestation pod, that should eventually come to be known as Leman Russ, was once known as (or at least part of) the norse pantheon.
And maybe a shard of what once was known as Odin was stuffed into Space Odin, aka Magnus the Red (probably with some more egyptian warp entities, hence the style).
What if World Eaters never started putting the Butcher's Nails into their own members?
On the other hand, what if Perturabo decided to start putting Butcher's Nails into his own gene sons that failed/displeased or straight up pissed him off enough?
What If chaos worshipers used butchers nails as some fucked up sci-fi form of cbt on an Eldar before feeding his soul to Slaanesh? The possibilities are endless! XD
Non chaos aligned warp entities and magic was a cool video ngl.
Happy Birthday, Major. May your Bolter always be fully loaded, your 'art' be heavily bewb'd and your abs forever chiselled 👍
Non chaos aligned warp entities and magic has been a cool video ngl.
Eeeeeeeeye see whatcha did there!
This guy listens to his community
My birthday today too - discovered your channel only a month ago despite being a 40k fan and player since 1997 - glad I did, it's funny AF 😄
Tau God could be created not by auxillaries, but by the Tay themselves. In a second Farsight book, Tzeench demon said that while one Tau soul is bleak, a trillion of them is something like a lighthouse.
Well a trillion of a billionth is still 1000 I suppose
Happy birthday you fucking rad bogan, never cease your edge, bring more positive vibes to the community, MajorKill for life.
If you haven't already, you should make a video on the black templars
he has. ruclips.net/video/O-HkJhxEOTI/видео.html
Love this fan engagement, the little narrative at the beginning really cements why you're one of my favorite RUclipsrs o7
I always wondered what the other races in 40k thought of the emperor and the primarchs...
I thought about it because (i think it was) in "Dark Imperium" one of the Eldar met Girlymann and was disgusted by a comment that Eldrad Ulthran made that the primarchs were in some aspects superior to the eldar
The Orks do actually harbour a deep respect for the Emperor as they see him as the greatest warrior, and hence a great rival. I'd recommend checking out Waaargh: Orks from Rogue Trader, 1990, page 62 - Da Godz: Orks and the Imperial Cult section.
Well, quite a few ork clans adore the Imperium and oddly see Humanity as a sort of...battle buddy.
Except snakebites but no one likes those weirdos.
@@YuGiOhAbridgeFAN Humanities is the ork favorite fight. They tried to match Ork waaagh energy with "For the Emperor" screaming across their lungs. Their stuff can be reuse by Ork, Ork can't make use of Eldar, Necron or Tyranid. Human favour melee fight which the Ork also loved.
Great community engagement major, happy birthday. Keep up this fucking awesomeness that you do bro!
8:24 Imagine if it's Chakravartin from Asura's Wrath
Now that would be a problem...
The genuine “yeah alright, cool, thanks mate” got to me so much for some reason. I love this guy
So Odin, Thor and the gang is canon in 40k, awesome
Respect for rewarding loyal viewers this is a great and interesting topic. A war room table has many points of view.
GW need to go more into the Watchers in the Dark who are aligned with the Dark Angels
The problem is any explanation would be problematic in one way or another. Some things can only exist as mysteries.
Cherubael is probably my favorite non big 4 Chaos aligned Demon Prince. His little monologue at the end of "The Magos" was epic. Cherubael and Eisenhorn's bromance is one of the best in the lore I feel.
What if the Emperor decided to wait for the Primarchs to reach him (let's say a landing on Terra itself) from their personal empires? Who would reach him, who would fail, and who would never try to find him?
Well crap..... Angron fer sure ain't coming back!
Mortarion and Angron was straight up losing before the Emperor intervene.
"I have caved to the will of Seth"
Seth is a non-chaos aligned warp entity confirmed
It would be cool to see what happened to the solar system, as far as I know there's holy Terra, mechanicus Mars, the moon base and those weird crusade era mega servitor drone ships
Chaos gods not being crushed by Gork and Mork simply because they fight themselves is hilarious af
I actually heard that with worship creating its own warp god, that this was the exact case with the Mechanicus. Thou there is the whole thing with the Void Dragon, I heard that their devotion to the Machine God actually created a separate god that was actually the Machine God.
Feel free to correct me if I'm mossing something.
I think the Mechanicus is worshipping Vashtorr without knowing it.
Happy birthday bro, keep up the good work!
What are the other planets in the Sol system like? Would be cool to hear about the Saturnyne Ordo and such :)
If you have playe Rimworld and downloaded the 40k stuff you will have come across an icon I am fond of. It is for the Ideology of 'Abstract Orkism' and it features out beloved Mork and Gork doing what they do best and often... fighting each other. However, the red and purples flow together to create this Ying and Yang symbol that is... perfect to explain them.
Imagine Gork and Mork going on a crusade to Krump Khorne!?!?!?!? Why? Because he needed KRUMPNIG!
Would turn out bad for both of them, he'd Khorne both of them with ease ngl.
@@nathanalexandre9043 My money is on Gork and Mork. When the Kork were a thing the Warp gods were nothing during the war in heaven. Khorne may think he always was, but Gork and Mork are older and far more powerful.
Happy late WarpSpawning Day Majorkill!! Thanx for the Minikill Plush it finally came in!!
HE DID IT! HE DID IT!
10:49 I will agree, it is unfortunate that so many cool, and imaginative deamons or spiritual entities NOT aligned with Chaos are ignored by not just GW but even much of the fanbase. I think most fans think that just because Chaos are the BIGGEST on the block that means that the ENTIRE warp must be utterly theirs, no it is not. *As powerful as chaos is they can't gobble up every thought or every emotion that floats around or gets incarnated within the warp,* countless other entities of varying levels of WTF can and do exist, they're just much less powerful but no less dangerous than the dark 'gods'. (though many of these entities are probably on the level of greater deamons of Chaos if not more powerful even)
while that is true, I don't think its really the fault of fans for ignoring the greater variety of Warp creatures considering just about no one is pumping out stories involving anything about them.
Imagine if the emperor didn't have all religions destroyed he would have a bunch of gods also protecting humanity considering belief can create extremely powerful warp entities considering the size of the imperium they would be more powerful
darn, was hoping to hear about Chuerabel who one shot a warlord titan in real space. kinda a Shame he wasn't mentioned.
Happy Birthday! Glad you're doing the good work; it got me interested in something that I had despised for decades!
Can you do a video on the average life of a imperial citizen
He already did tho
If you haven't already, get the Calendar guys and gal. Mine just arrived today and it really is worth it so it seems only fair that I give my 2 cents worth of endorsement in case anyone is on the fence about it - especially with the current discount going on.
If they ever decided to "end" the 40k timeline, I'd want it to be via the Loyalist Daemons. Maybe the Emperor's death releases the most powerful celestials who take one look at the universe and they're all, "Oh yeah, this shit's got to go."
Happy birthday mate, hope you have a good one and keep up the great work on the videos.
bro Australia is the warp guys.
Many happy returns, Majorkill, and the very best of wishes on your birthday
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Lol
Seth the Emperor of Majorkill's comment section
Happy birthday my dude! Also, amazing editing for the ad.
non chaos aligned warp entities would be a cool video ngl.
The best analogy for the Enslavers I've heard was they were a kind of immune response from the Warp. Once they got the psykers culled the immune response called down.
Happy FUCKIN birthday m’lad, I absolutely love your videos. Funny af, unironically got me into Warhammer.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BUD! Thanks for your content!
I love that man, the fact that the ork gods are the most powerful but just hate each other so much they don’t care about conquest gives me a dose of serotonin
Tbf, I don't think it's confirmed they're the most powerful, but I imagine they are pretty powerful, being created by the fervent "worship" (more like frenzied "warship" hehe) of one of the most numerous intelligent species in the galaxy.
Theory for en-slaver, the creatures gobbled up enough psykers that they could realize at the current rate it would be better to go to a dead end of the galaxy and feed off passive agony waves....
Oh you forgit the laughing god of the eldar, that dude is out and about and fucking with slaneesh! The harlequins seem to be immune to slaneesh
Thank you Seth. Good to get info on the non chaos warp entities.
I have a theory on why the Enslaver plague disappeared, maybe either Gork and Mork decided that these big things looked like a fun fight and beat the shit out them, and then got into an argument one who killed more, hence beginning their infinite duel.
Either that or Khorne and Tzeentch saw the Enslavers as not too fun or a good fight for the time being.