📌 Considering the Super Denton speakers? Find them here bit.ly/4bOD1AB • amzn.to/3AVZq1t 🔌Watch the follow-up to this review here ruclips.net/video/KNPfRGA82as/видео.htmlsi=hSlKT5KfBLpCn6fO and catch up on all the latest UNPLUGGED episodes here bit.ly/43NnDkT 🙏 Thank you for watching. Please stay on topic and be respectful.
Andrew when I want an honest refreshing thorough review on audio or large screens I can count on you to deliver and I get to relax and unplug from a very busy schedule and enjoy self-care for me and just want to say thank you for what you and Kristi bring to your channel.
So excited to see a Wharfadale video! I'm new to HiFi and have never heard of them before, but I found an old pair of Wharfadale Diamond 7.2's (not anniversary ed.), which were apparently the company's first serious model, on Facebook for $25 as the first "real" speakers I've ever owned. I paired it with a small old Yamaha powered sub for $25 and a Marantz SR4002 I got for FREE, so my entire first system came together for $50 bucks! Can't find anything bad to say about any of it at that price point and I'm excited to finally dip my toe into the hobby.
Thanks for the review. From the Heritage line; I’ve owned the Denton 85, Linton 85, and now settled on the new Dovedale 90th. I liked all speakers for different reasons, but man the Dovedales are chefs kiss
Thanks, Andrew, for an excellent description of what the Super Dentons do so well. I'm so glad you focused on the all-round capabilities of these speakers with all types of music and their easy match with different partnering amplifiers and sources. These are important aspects for buying decisions, I feel, as well as for being able to live comfortably with hi-fi systems. This is what the Heritage range in Wharfedale is all about. BTW, I notice that your video shows the treble units on the inside, as would be expected in audiophile arrangements. However, as the midrange units carry such a wide bandwidth, it is worth experimenting with the midrange units facing the inside. Easy to try and to hear the difference - the results will depend on the room and how close the speakers are to each other, so just stick with the arrangement that sounds the best.
Hi Peter. Thank you so much for watching our Super Denton review. One of our viewers has a question about the Leak 250s that I hope you can answer before we film our Unplugged follow-up episode (tomorrow). I would love to include your response. A viewer says, "I was surprised to see the non-recessed mounting screws for the drivers, which themselves appear recessed into the baffle. I'm guessing that was a style choice in the design, but I am curious of those raised edges right at the speaker surround would be something that would affect the sound, i.e. diffraction?" Thank you, Andrew
Very fair and honest review. Not in my wheelhouse for speakers as I, like Carl, tend to listen at substantial volumes fairly often so I prefer larger floorstanding speakers. Keep up the great work, it's always a pleasure to learn something new.
Happy Father’s Day to all the good dads out there. And happy Sunday video! Can’t wait to watch, although I’m out and about for said holiday! Will watch later today! Happy Sunday and I hope everyone has a lovely day today!
I do enjoy more and more old school designs. Especially in Audio. I guess that’s what happens when you get older in this hobby? But hear me out: imagine this speaker, slightly larger, ala Heresy or Cornwall, but fully powered, with all the connections on the back and an HDMI in tow?… like seriously, that would be a killer combo. It’s for the sound, it’s got the space to do it inside, and it’s got the super flexibility. I’d buy a pair I’m pretty sure. Great review as always! Definitely wonder Kristi’s thoughts on it as well! Hope everyone had an awesome Father’s Day yesterday and the new week is as easy going as it can be!
I love my Lintons. How do the Dentons compare to those in your opinion? I know that you also had these for review once. Thanks for the great and hard work by reviewing all that stuff.
Great review as always. These look beautiful. Was looking at these. Now, I am referring to Canadian funds here. These are $1899. Linton are $1999, the Lumina II $1799 and the Kef R3 is $2995. The R3 becomes a tough comparison. The Lumina vs Wharfedale depends if you want to be analytical or musical from the sounds of it. The Linton however if you are comfortable with that all day sound seems an easy choice unless you are pressed for room.
The 85’s have been my bedroom speakers for years. Turntable or DAC, they are easy to lose hours to and I’ve never wanted for anything more (in that room).
Great review, and I appreciate the details you included on the various toe in placements. I'd love to hear more (either on Friday or even its own video) about your process for finding the "right" amount of toe in for a speaker. I always struggle with this and wonder if I'm getting the most from my speakers given their placement in my room. Thanks!
I still got a pair of RTR G-200 Tower Speakers, they have a 10" woofer, 12" passive radiator, a 1.5-inch soft dome midrange unit tweeter. In 1976-81 the retail price was $600 a pair. 120 watts at 4 ohms, 91db 1 watt/1meter, 25-25,000Hz frequency response. Cabinet dimensions are 14 1/2" W x 36 1/4" H x 12 1/2" D. I bought these when I was working at "Custom High Fi" back in the late 70s. These are some the best sounding speakers I've ever heard and I still use them today. These are really solid and they are extremely heavy in weight! I love them!
Is there ever a possibility that your documentary about Haiti will ever see the light of day? Just curious :) You guys rule! Love your channel. Happy Fathers Day everyone!
@robinsonbrand I didn't know it was released. I just recall you talking about it on an older video and it's always piqued my interest. I have a family member who adopted their son during that time. Thank you for replying! Take care!
I have a pair of these. I also have Linton 85s. I agree the Dentons are not for near field. The three drivers can't properly integrate sitting that close. I use them in a small room, but my listening position is a good 2.5m (or 8 feet) away which works very well. I also agree that you can get them closer to the wall. I'm about 24cm or 9 and a half inches off mine. I agree re toe-in. Mine are just a tiny bit off axis (kind of shooting over my shoulders where I sit) and for me that is about right - but YMMV. Straight on into the room does not work as well. Also agree re the sub as a handy option. I'm not a bass head but I do use a SVS SB1000 with mine (as I happened to have had a sub in my space before the Super Dentons arrived anyway). On the 'upgrade' question vs the Linton, I respectfully don't think that is the right question. The Supers are for a smaller room, if you like the style and sound of these. The Lintons I think remain the better speaker - but they need a bigger space and not everyone has the right room for them.
@@KristiWrightJen went without me! Her nephew surprisingly came into town, and I offered up my seat (because Jen has really grown to love Middle Kids too). In my wife’s words, “I loved it. It was perfect.”
@@chrisveltman1795 You're a gem. I'm glad she was able to see them. Last night's San Fran show was cancelled at the last minute so she could rest her voice.
Hi there, I recently purchased a pair and I'm absolutely loving them! I have a quick question: should the tweeters be placed facing outwards or inwards? I noticed that yours are positioned inwards, but I've placed mine facing outwards. Thank you in advance for your help!
Hi Andrew, feel like you missed out on a key comparison between the Super Dentons to the KLH Model 3 given how they are so similar in dimensions, not to mention the retro look
Cool review, which I was glad to see. One thing i would respectfully like to mention is that I'm not sure that you are aware of (or maybe you are) is that the Super Dentons are designed to be used with the grills in place for the most balanceed response. This is from their designer, Peter Comeu. Don't know if that recommendation is in the manual. Your review proved this to be correct, so great work. However, I'm sure more than a few people will use them without the grills with the rising giving more so called "detailed" top end. This goes for all of the Wharfedale Heritage models going back to the Denton 75th. Not sure about the previous Heritage models.... The Airedale Neo's and Airedale Heritage from the early 2000's. Keep up the great work.
Where would you put these compared to the EVO 4.2 bookshelf? Love all of your product reviews and try to tune in frequently. Thanks for doing what you do.
Do you find that speaker grills frequently make a difference? I always thought it was a placebo effect, but your measurements prove otherwise. Excellent video as always, A&K
Good review. I tried a different pair of Wharfedales, but they shared the same dip. Evertime I listened, I always said to myself, if it weren't for that dip, these would be great. I ended up sending them back. They could have been great! Such a shame...
I’m glad you compared the Super Denton with the R3 Meta. I recently purchased the R3 Meta and was bummed that Wharfedale came out with the Super Denton a week later. I was curious to see if my RN-2000A was a better match with the KEF or the Wharfdale.
Wonderful review! Purchased the 85th Anniversary Dentons years ago based on your recommendation. Love them!! Paired them with a Hegel H95. So glad you reviewed these as I was wondering if I should upgrade. Now thinking of getting a pair of Heresy IV’s. I still want detail but looking for a larger sound. Would the Heresy’s be an appropriate upgrade?
I would be interested to see how they compare to other similarly priced but more modern looking Wharfedale models like the Aura 2 or Evo 4.2. Do they have the "house sound" baked into them like other Wharfedale models?
I miss the big Technics speaker back around 25 years ago. A speaker with a 6.5" woofer is too small for my liking. I was at Florida School for the Deaf and Blind in St. Augustine, FL. I think the Technics speaker had like an 8" or maybe a 10" driver and man such speakers were massive. They are not floor-standing speakers in a traditional sense, but can be mounted up against the upper wall, close to the ceiling. I remember those speakers can get really deep down to 40Hz or so. Maybe lower, but again, it's been far too long since I remembered the Technics speaker.
loved the reference to the R3 Metas! I currently own a pair and have found them to perform WAY above their price. I am driving them with $15000 in amplification and they scale impeccably well. My reference speakers are Magneoan 3.7i's and the little KEF's hold their own in many ways. I so hope you review them and would love to see a review from you on the Reference 1's or 3's. I am trying to find a dealer anywhere close that has them to listen to as they could be end game for me. Keep it up!
Im always happy when a bookshelf doesnt have huge amounts of bass. That meansnthe focus is on the midrange and treble and the bass can be done by the sub. At this price point you cant have it all in my experience
Thank you Andrew. I like the looks. Every time I hear about these mid dips, I ask this question. Could it be that it’s just part of the design or they just missed it? I heard people mention the same thing about the RP 600Ms and they sound good to me.
The dips tend to reveal themselves in the near field measurements but often soft themselves out when listening at a distance of 6+ feet. Dips tend to be something some folks can point to and say, "see, look, crap speaker!" when in reality these dips are less of an issue and the speaker still sounds good/great!
@@andrewrobinsonreviewshow would you compare this one to the Wharfedale LINTON Heritage or a tower with dual 8” woofers like the JBL 698, or x3 6.5” woofers in a Polk S60? I wonder about towers with smaller woofers vs larger. Some towers only have 5.25” woofers. Does size matter when you have actual powered subwoofers?
Peter Comeau designs these to be used with the grilles on as they help mitigate the diffraction effects of the cabinet. I do thing having these speakers in a room of your size is pushing the boundaries of what they are capable of, as they are probably more well-suited to a smaller space. The fact that overall you really liked them speaks to their quality. Nice review!
Nice review. Did you try having the mid drivers on the inside? I've listened to speakers with offset mid / tweeters and found that some sound better with the mids on the inside rather than the recommended outside configuration, especially centre imaging of vocals.
Good point. Peter Comeau made this suggestion as an experiment when positioning speakers in an earlier comment on this video. Paraphrasing, he said either way is worth trying to see what sounds better in one’s listening space. I will definitely try both ways when I get these.
Thanks for your support and for watching. The wall behind our speakers and TV is actually a DIY acoustic fabric wall that I made temporarily while we're going through some decor and construction changes at the house. I'm going to put out a video on it sooner than later. It's super easy to make and renter friendly!
The Yamaha seems to be a winner for most of the speakers you review. I'm dreading and excited to drop 7k on the ML XT100s and the Yamaha. A&K, you two will be reason my wife doesn't make it to Puerto Vallarta this year 😂😂😂. Thanks for the hard work!
Hey, Andrew & Kristi! You mention speaker placement quite often and I've picked up a few pieces over time, but would love to hear a more compreshensive explanation of how to get the most out of my speakers and effects of such things like toe, distance from the wall, etc.. Shame on me if you've already done this.
I just commented asking for the same! I feel like I could be getting more out of my current speakers with better placement. Here's hoping we'll get a more comprehensive overview in a future video!
That would be cool to do an episode on your favorite white colored tower or bookshelf speakers? It could be speakers that don't necessarily completely blow your hair back, but just have a nice aesthetic and decent sound.
Thanks for the great review. Do you feel the need for toe in tweaking to find the right balance of width and accuracy has something to do with the wider front baffle design in general? Or maybe it’s not that simple.
Here‘s a fun game: music recommendations inspired by the TV screensaver. Based on today‘s image, I recommend Benjamin Britten, Sea Interludes. (Or the complete Peter Grimes, if you‘ve got the time for it.)
Ok. I am very curious about how this 3-way speaker compares to the Linton. With stands, it is basically equal to the price of the Linton. Have a great day!
Cool looking speaker! I’m just not a fan of the inset baffle. This can’t be good for the sound,and the speaker could still be built to look good, potentially even better with a nice smooth baffle featuring magnetic grilles and clean driver trim rings. These things all contribute to better sound and looks. I believe. 🔈👍🏻
Good morning, friends! I really dig the look of these, but would pit them against the Denton or a Sonus Faber if I were in the market for vintage bookshelf.
@robinsonbrand I promise that I watched the whole thing. 😅 I just really like the design language that SF is putting out. Also, I would want to hear them in my space.
Regardless of speaker size, when I know Andrew likes a speaker I always want to ask, "but compared to the La Scala, whatcha think?" That seemed to be his ultimate high water mark thus far : )
I would love to buy the super Dentons if they were biwire and especially biampable as I love tubes on midrange and treble with transistors on bass. I wonder if I can have a pair customized with extra binding posts, like the regular Dentons.
I wonder about the choice to offset the acoustic centers of the drivers left and right. Especially considering a midrange dome can’t play much lower than 500hz, so vocals are going to be playing through all 3 drivers.
Is that the KEF kc92 I see? Are you reviewing that because I'm looking into that sub to go with my ls50 wireless ii. I would love your review of that sub.
From my DIY experience, I’ll say this - putting a midrange driver with a 6.5-inch woofer is a waste of money. Even at 8 inches this is still in question. This is where it gets noticeably better - with woofers of 10 inches or more.
My entry into Hifi was the original Denton 85 with a Leak 130. Made my ears bleed. That set me on a journey to find good sound. I can safely say I have officially fallen all the way into the wormhole.
Andrew, I'm curious. I have Dynaudio Emit 20's, Emit 10's for rear channel and Dynaudio's center channel. I'm concentrating more on the 20's. have you ever reviewed them? what are your thoughts about them? compared to some of the speakers you have reviewed recently.
I kinda think those are sexy looking. Probably not for me but digging the style. I'm nearfield with 3 subs . I may or may not have powered monitors in my set up. I have lots of gear just right now this is working.
Thinking of The Super Denton w/ a Marantz Stereo or Cinema 70, any thoughts, I've done a months worth of research yet have not consulted w/ an audio expert ( because if your at the store talking to a sales person they'll say anything for you to pull the trigger on a $2,500-$2,800 hi fi setup... that's before getting a turntable, streamer etc.
I wonder if that dip is in the crossover region between the mid and tweeter, and a cancelation is audible right in between when you're close to them. I bet this makes the O.G. Denton a better choice for nearfield. These or the Lintons for home theater?
May I suggest an upgrade from the Sonus Faber Lumina II comparisons to the Lumina II Amator? I don't think they make the former any longer, unless our dealer here doesn't have them any longer.
Good Sunday Morning Andrew and Kristi. Another great review. This is a very competitive price segment in the bookshelf speaker market. Many great choices. Kristi, were you able to access the WSJ furniture not lasting article I mentioned in Friday's chat? If not, I can send you a PDF of the text I copied via your TRB email page. I didn't want to do so without your permission. Thanks again guys for the great content and looking forward to Friday's discussion. Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
@@KristiWright "Your New $3,000 Couch Might Be Garbage In 3 Years" If you're not a WSJ subscriber you probably can't open it. Let me know if you can't and I can send you a copy of the text. Interesting article.
@@KristiWright Another WSJ article came out today you guys might be interested in with regard to your business about how its getting tougher for content providers like yourselves and social media influencers as mediums like RUclips are becoming stingier with payouts and ad sponsors more demanding. As I read it, your recent Unplugged discussion about the Arcam review not paying much stuck out in my head. Article title is "Social Media Influencers Aren't Getting Rich - They're Barely Getting By."
Can someone please educate me. Who is Carl? I guessed this is a derogatory term for a fictional loud listening character.. Carl has been mentioned before. So what is up with this?
We've mentioned Carl for a couple of months now in almost every video. It's not a derogatory term. Carl is an actual viewer who likes to push the volume.
Carl here, ya Andrew and I politely disagree on what loud is. 85db isn’t loud for me 😜 as SPL’s at my listening position on more than occasion hit 100+db. When your amp and speakers can handle high outputs without distorting or compressing at this volume it’s really exciting!!
They can have an effect on in-room responses at one or a few locations, but these types of correction don't solve decay times or outright poor placement.
Very old school looking and not worth the shingles Andrew. There are other speakers in the same price bracket ($1899 CDN$ + taxes) that would take these to the woodshed (in my opinion based on listening preference).
Love movies and dialogue heavy youtube content. Super dentonts looks amazing, and seem to be good too. Aestethics are very important for me! But feels like these are very music oriented and not meant to be used in a 3.1/5.1 setup? First thought about the Sony Bravia Theather Quad (because of their sound setup feature), but don’t like how they look so much and not sure about value and longevity. Current items I'm considering buying (replacing a LG SN10Y soundbar): AV: Sony TA-AN1000 (seems to be good value for money and for the future) Loudspeakers: Wharfedale Super Denton Stands: Solidsteel SS-5 (the shorter version of the ones you use) Center: Wharfedale Diamond 12.C or 4.CS (not so sure about these, might want to reconsider, but hard to find a good matching pair) Sub: No options here so far, any recommendations? Thanks! Good content again!
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🙏 Thank you for watching. Please stay on topic and be respectful.
A Happy Father's Day to all, even Carl.
Thanks guys, another great video.
Andrew when I want an honest refreshing thorough review on audio or large screens I can count on you to deliver and I get to relax and unplug from a very busy schedule and enjoy self-care for me and just want to say thank you for what you and Kristi bring to your channel.
Wow, thanks!
So excited to see a Wharfadale video! I'm new to HiFi and have never heard of them before, but I found an old pair of Wharfadale Diamond 7.2's (not anniversary ed.), which were apparently the company's first serious model, on Facebook for $25 as the first "real" speakers I've ever owned. I paired it with a small old Yamaha powered sub for $25 and a Marantz SR4002 I got for FREE, so my entire first system came together for $50 bucks! Can't find anything bad to say about any of it at that price point and I'm excited to finally dip my toe into the hobby.
It sounds like you're having fun which is what this is all about! Thanks for watching, Justin.
Thanks for the review. From the Heritage line; I’ve owned the Denton 85, Linton 85, and now settled on the new Dovedale 90th.
I liked all speakers for different reasons, but man the Dovedales are chefs kiss
Wharfedale speakers make any music sound good
I bought a pair of Wharfedale bookshelf speakers 40 years ago this week. My daughter is using them. Great speakers.
Wow sounds like they stood the test of time
I like Wharfedale and I like the look. I may have to check a pair out. Thank you, Andrew
Thanks, Andrew, for an excellent description of what the Super Dentons do so well. I'm so glad you focused on the all-round capabilities of these speakers with all types of music and their easy match with different partnering amplifiers and sources. These are important aspects for buying decisions, I feel, as well as for being able to live comfortably with hi-fi systems. This is what the Heritage range in Wharfedale is all about.
BTW, I notice that your video shows the treble units on the inside, as would be expected in audiophile arrangements. However, as the midrange units carry such a wide bandwidth, it is worth experimenting with the midrange units facing the inside. Easy to try and to hear the difference - the results will depend on the room and how close the speakers are to each other, so just stick with the arrangement that sounds the best.
Hi Peter. Thank you so much for watching our Super Denton review. One of our viewers has a question about the Leak 250s that I hope you can answer before we film our Unplugged follow-up episode (tomorrow). I would love to include your response.
A viewer says, "I was surprised to see the non-recessed mounting screws for the drivers, which themselves appear recessed into the baffle. I'm guessing that was a style choice in the design, but I am curious of those raised edges right at the speaker surround would be something that would affect the sound, i.e. diffraction?"
Thank you,
Andrew
One last comment, I loved this week’s unplugged episode. Thank you for spending so much time hanging out with us!
Very fair and honest review. Not in my wheelhouse for speakers as I, like Carl, tend to listen at substantial volumes fairly often so I prefer larger floorstanding speakers. Keep up the great work, it's always a pleasure to learn something new.
Oh lord! Those are some gorgeous speakers 😍
They're very stylish!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews yes indeed sir.
Happy Father’s Day to all the good dads out there. And happy Sunday video! Can’t wait to watch, although I’m out and about for said holiday! Will watch later today! Happy Sunday and I hope everyone has a lovely day today!
Happy Father's Day indeed! Hope you have a great day, and we'll see you later, my friend!
I do enjoy more and more old school designs. Especially in Audio. I guess that’s what happens when you get older in this hobby? But hear me out: imagine this speaker, slightly larger, ala Heresy or Cornwall, but fully powered, with all the connections on the back and an HDMI in tow?… like seriously, that would be a killer combo. It’s for the sound, it’s got the space to do it inside, and it’s got the super flexibility. I’d buy a pair I’m pretty sure.
Great review as always! Definitely wonder Kristi’s thoughts on it as well! Hope everyone had an awesome Father’s Day yesterday and the new week is as easy going as it can be!
I love my Lintons. How do the Dentons compare to those in your opinion? I know that you also had these for review once.
Thanks for the great and hard work by reviewing all that stuff.
Your question makes an appearance in today's Unplugged!! ruclips.net/video/KNPfRGA82as/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Great review as always. These look beautiful. Was looking at these. Now, I am referring to Canadian funds here. These are $1899. Linton are $1999, the Lumina II $1799 and the Kef R3 is $2995. The R3 becomes a tough comparison. The Lumina vs Wharfedale depends if you want to be analytical or musical from the sounds of it. The Linton however if you are comfortable with that all day sound seems an easy choice unless you are pressed for room.
As an owner of both (Linton 85s and Super Dentons) I totally agree. The issue is space. The Lintons don't play well in a small room. But these do.
I love the Wharfedale lineup, but at $1399 a pair without stands, it seems there are plenty of outlet Lintons you can get for a similar price.
The 85’s have been my bedroom speakers for years. Turntable or DAC, they are easy to lose hours to and I’ve never wanted for anything more (in that room).
Happy Father's Day y'all.
Yard work is done maaan, time for Kristi and Andrew 🤘
Thanks so much for joining us! Hope the yard looks great!
Be sure to watch our follow up Unplugged episode here ruclips.net/video/KNPfRGA82as/видео.html
Great review, and I appreciate the details you included on the various toe in placements. I'd love to hear more (either on Friday or even its own video) about your process for finding the "right" amount of toe in for a speaker. I always struggle with this and wonder if I'm getting the most from my speakers given their placement in my room. Thanks!
Your questions is covered in today's Unplugged. ruclips.net/video/KNPfRGA82as/видео.htmlfeature=shared
I still got a pair of RTR G-200 Tower Speakers, they have a 10" woofer, 12" passive radiator, a 1.5-inch soft dome midrange unit tweeter. In 1976-81 the retail price was $600 a pair. 120 watts at 4 ohms, 91db 1 watt/1meter, 25-25,000Hz frequency response. Cabinet dimensions are 14 1/2" W x 36 1/4" H x 12 1/2" D. I bought these when I was working at "Custom High Fi" back in the late 70s. These are some the best sounding speakers I've ever heard and I still use them today. These are really solid and they are extremely heavy in weight! I love them!
Thank you very much, I loved the review. As always, great quality of work.
Appreciate you watching!
Is there ever a possibility that your documentary about Haiti will ever see the light of day? Just curious :)
You guys rule! Love your channel. Happy Fathers Day everyone!
Adopting Haiti, a documentary I produced, was released in the US in 2011. I do not know the status of its distribution at this time.
@robinsonbrand I didn't know it was released. I just recall you talking about it on an older video and it's always piqued my interest. I have a family member who adopted their son during that time. Thank you for replying! Take care!
I have a pair of these. I also have Linton 85s. I agree the Dentons are not for near field. The three drivers can't properly integrate sitting that close. I use them in a small room, but my listening position is a good 2.5m (or 8 feet) away which works very well. I also agree that you can get them closer to the wall. I'm about 24cm or 9 and a half inches off mine. I agree re toe-in. Mine are just a tiny bit off axis (kind of shooting over my shoulders where I sit) and for me that is about right - but YMMV. Straight on into the room does not work as well.
Also agree re the sub as a handy option. I'm not a bass head but I do use a SVS SB1000 with mine (as I happened to have had a sub in my space before the Super Dentons arrived anyway).
On the 'upgrade' question vs the Linton, I respectfully don't think that is the right question. The Supers are for a smaller room, if you like the style and sound of these. The Lintons I think remain the better speaker - but they need a bigger space and not everyone has the right room for them.
Good morning! Love some Wharfedale!
How was the show?
Solid speakers every single time out of the gate!
@@KristiWrightJen went without me! Her nephew surprisingly came into town, and I offered up my seat (because Jen has really grown to love Middle Kids too). In my wife’s words, “I loved it. It was perfect.”
I’m a little jealous, and mostly think I made the right decision. Our nephew doesn’t realize he has the greatest Uncle of all time
@@chrisveltman1795 You're a gem. I'm glad she was able to see them. Last night's San Fran show was cancelled at the last minute so she could rest her voice.
Hi there,
I recently purchased a pair and I'm absolutely loving them! I have a quick question: should the tweeters be placed facing outwards or inwards? I noticed that yours are positioned inwards, but I've placed mine facing outwards.
Thank you in advance for your help!
Hi Andrew, feel like you missed out on a key comparison between the Super Dentons to the KLH Model 3 given how they are so similar in dimensions, not to mention the retro look
Cool review, which I was glad to see. One thing i would respectfully like to mention is that I'm not sure that you are aware of (or maybe you are) is that the Super Dentons are designed to be used with the grills in place for the most balanceed response. This is from their designer, Peter Comeu. Don't know if that recommendation is in the manual. Your review proved this to be correct, so great work. However, I'm sure more than a few people will use them without the grills with the rising giving more so called "detailed" top end. This goes for all of the Wharfedale Heritage models going back to the Denton 75th. Not sure about the previous Heritage models.... The Airedale Neo's and Airedale Heritage from the early 2000's. Keep up the great work.
Been waiting for your review of these. Thanks. 👍🏼🎶
Hope you enjoyed it!
Where would you put these compared to the EVO 4.2 bookshelf? Love all of your product reviews and try to tune in frequently. Thanks for doing what you do.
Do you find that speaker grills frequently make a difference? I always thought it was a placebo effect, but your measurements prove otherwise. Excellent video as always, A&K
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Good review. I tried a different pair of Wharfedales, but they shared the same dip. Evertime I listened, I always said to myself, if it weren't for that dip, these would be great. I ended up sending them back. They could have been great! Such a shame...
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Please give your thoughts vs the Evo 4.1 which you stated were "fan damn tactic". Thank you!!!!! Always love your reviews!!!!
Wharfedale from my home town❤
Appreciate your time and effort in getting this to us. Great review.
My pleasure!
I’m glad you compared the Super Denton with the R3 Meta. I recently purchased the R3 Meta and was bummed that Wharfedale came out with the Super Denton a week later. I was curious to see if my RN-2000A was a better match with the KEF or the Wharfdale.
Wonderful review!
Purchased the 85th Anniversary Dentons years ago based on your recommendation. Love them!! Paired them with a Hegel H95.
So glad you reviewed these as I was wondering if I should upgrade.
Now thinking of getting a pair of Heresy IV’s.
I still want detail but looking for a larger sound. Would the Heresy’s be an appropriate upgrade?
The Heresy will be an entirely different experience. If you can wait another week or two, our Leak review will be out. I think you'll find it helpful.
If u like a warmer traditional Hi -FI sound, they are very good.
Thanks for reviewing these.
I would be interested to see how they compare to other similarly priced but more modern looking Wharfedale models like the Aura 2 or Evo 4.2. Do they have the "house sound" baked into them like other Wharfedale models?
I miss the big Technics speaker back around 25 years ago. A speaker with a 6.5" woofer is too small for my liking. I was at Florida School for the Deaf and Blind in St. Augustine, FL. I think the Technics speaker had like an 8" or maybe a 10" driver and man such speakers were massive. They are not floor-standing speakers in a traditional sense, but can be mounted up against the upper wall, close to the ceiling. I remember those speakers can get really deep down to 40Hz or so. Maybe lower, but again, it's been far too long since I remembered the Technics speaker.
loved the reference to the R3 Metas! I currently own a pair and have found them to perform WAY above their price. I am driving them with $15000 in amplification and they scale impeccably well. My reference speakers are Magneoan 3.7i's and the little KEF's hold their own in many ways. I so hope you review them and would love to see a review from you on the Reference 1's or 3's. I am trying to find a dealer anywhere close that has them to listen to as they could be end game for me. Keep it up!
Did you mean to say $15,000 or $1500 in amplification?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews oops $15,000
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Im always happy when a bookshelf doesnt have huge amounts of bass. That meansnthe focus is on the midrange and treble and the bass can be done by the sub. At this price point you cant have it all in my experience
Somehow I didn't come away from this review thinking I had been introduced to an instant classic, or "The Ultimate CLASSIC SOUND Experience!".
Thank you Andrew. I like the looks. Every time I hear about these mid dips, I ask this question. Could it be that it’s just part of the design or they just missed it? I heard people mention the same thing about the RP 600Ms and they sound good to me.
The dips tend to reveal themselves in the near field measurements but often soft themselves out when listening at a distance of 6+ feet. Dips tend to be something some folks can point to and say, "see, look, crap speaker!" when in reality these dips are less of an issue and the speaker still sounds good/great!
@@andrewrobinsonreviewshow would you compare this one to the Wharfedale LINTON Heritage or a tower with dual 8” woofers like the JBL 698, or x3 6.5” woofers in a Polk S60? I wonder about towers with smaller woofers vs larger. Some towers only have 5.25” woofers. Does size matter when you have actual powered subwoofers?
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@@andrewrobinsonreviews Awesome!!! Thank you A&K!!
Peter Comeau designs these to be used with the grilles on as they help mitigate the diffraction effects of the cabinet. I do thing having these speakers in a room of your size is pushing the boundaries of what they are capable of, as they are probably more well-suited to a smaller space. The fact that overall you really liked them speaks to their quality. Nice review!
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Nice review. Did you try having the mid drivers on the inside? I've listened to speakers with offset mid / tweeters and found that some sound better with the mids on the inside rather than the recommended outside configuration, especially centre imaging of vocals.
Good point. Peter Comeau made this suggestion as an experiment when positioning speakers in an earlier comment on this video. Paraphrasing, he said either way is worth trying to see what sounds better in one’s listening space. I will definitely try both ways when I get these.
Great content. What is the wall paneling you’re using behind your TV? Looks really cool!!
Thanks for your support and for watching. The wall behind our speakers and TV is actually a DIY acoustic fabric wall that I made temporarily while we're going through some decor and construction changes at the house. I'm going to put out a video on it sooner than later. It's super easy to make and renter friendly!
How would these work as rear speakers and side speakers paired with a Sony 7000es
Thanks for this! :) Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks Drew as always .. peace ✌️ ❤
Big fathers day cookout at my place today. Sorry i missed the premiere!!!! Away we go
Nice review, nice product. How would you compare them to the Focal Vestia No 1? Same price.
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Afternoon Andrew,Kristi & Kadie👍👍👍
Morning!
Morning KJ! Hope your day is going well!
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The Yamaha seems to be a winner for most of the speakers you review. I'm dreading and excited to drop 7k on the ML XT100s and the Yamaha. A&K, you two will be reason my wife doesn't make it to Puerto Vallarta this year 😂😂😂. Thanks for the hard work!
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Reallistic review andrew.well done.
Glad you enjoyed it
Hey, Andrew & Kristi! You mention speaker placement quite often and I've picked up a few pieces over time, but would love to hear a more compreshensive explanation of how to get the most out of my speakers and effects of such things like toe, distance from the wall, etc.. Shame on me if you've already done this.
I just commented asking for the same! I feel like I could be getting more out of my current speakers with better placement. Here's hoping we'll get a more comprehensive overview in a future video!
I'll do my best to answer this in Friday's Unplugged video.
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That would be cool to do an episode on your favorite white colored tower or bookshelf speakers?
It could be speakers that don't necessarily completely blow your hair back, but just have a nice aesthetic and decent sound.
Bought 2 Yamaha tall boys in 1988, updating my Yamaha amp 3 times. Sill have those speakers.
Thanks for the great review. Do you feel the need for toe in tweaking to find the right balance of width and accuracy has something to do with the wider front baffle design in general? Or maybe it’s not that simple.
I believe, in this case, it has everything to do with the baffle and chunky grille.
You are going to be blown by the KEF kc92🎉
Super Denton v Linton ? please do
Hope this means you will be reviewing the Kef R3.
Awesome speaker, I have 4 of them in my home theater 🔊🔊🔊🔊
Nice!
WOW. What are you using for a center? Or are you going phantom center?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews happy father's day 😎👍🏼lol , I have some old A/D/S and R11
Here‘s a fun game: music recommendations inspired by the TV screensaver. Based on today‘s image, I recommend Benjamin Britten, Sea Interludes. (Or the complete Peter Grimes, if you‘ve got the time for it.)
Very interesting game! Curious what others think.
Ok. I am very curious about how this 3-way speaker compares to the Linton. With stands, it is basically equal to the price of the Linton.
Have a great day!
Cool looking speaker! I’m just not a fan of the inset baffle. This can’t be good for the sound,and the speaker could still be built to look good, potentially even better with a nice smooth baffle featuring magnetic grilles and clean driver trim rings. These things all contribute to better sound and looks. I believe. 🔈👍🏻
Good morning, friends! I really dig the look of these, but would pit them against the Denton or a Sonus Faber if I were in the market for vintage bookshelf.
I think these may be a little better or larger sounding than the Denton 85. The Lumina II is more focused which we discuss in the review.
@robinsonbrand I promise that I watched the whole thing. 😅 I just really like the design language that SF is putting out. Also, I would want to hear them in my space.
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Regardless of speaker size, when I know Andrew likes a speaker I always want to ask, "but compared to the La Scala, whatcha think?" That seemed to be his ultimate high water mark thus far : )
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These look great in your room
I would love to buy the super Dentons if they were biwire and especially biampable as I love tubes on midrange and treble with transistors on bass. I wonder if I can have a pair customized with extra binding posts, like the regular Dentons.
Please send these speakers to me, instead of back to the Wharfedale mothership.
They won't miss them....and I'll give them a good home 😉😆
HAHAHA, I wish I could send every review pair to someone in our channel family.
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Keep up the great work.
Look like my kinda speakers... would still prefer to get my hands on the Lintons though 👍
I wonder about the choice to offset the acoustic centers of the drivers left and right. Especially considering a midrange dome can’t play much lower than 500hz, so vocals are going to be playing through all 3 drivers.
Is that the KEF kc92 I see? Are you reviewing that because I'm looking into that sub to go with my ls50 wireless ii. I would love your review of that sub.
From my DIY experience, I’ll say this - putting a midrange driver with a 6.5-inch woofer is a waste of money. Even at 8 inches this is still in question. This is where it gets noticeably better - with woofers of 10 inches or more.
Yeah, when I saw the picture of the driver layout I thought it would be an old-school full range thing with a big woofer.
My entry into Hifi was the original Denton 85 with a Leak 130. Made my ears bleed. That set me on a journey to find good sound. I can safely say I have officially fallen all the way into the wormhole.
Andrew, I'm curious. I have Dynaudio Emit 20's, Emit 10's for rear channel and Dynaudio's center channel. I'm concentrating more on the 20's. have you ever reviewed them? what are your thoughts about them? compared to some of the speakers you have reviewed recently.
Andres wouldn't be nice to see M1 paired with then? I don't know about 6 ohms though....
I kinda think those are sexy looking. Probably not for me but digging the style. I'm nearfield with 3 subs . I may or may not have powered monitors in my set up. I have lots of gear just right now this is working.
Thinking of The Super Denton w/ a Marantz Stereo or Cinema 70, any thoughts, I've done a months worth of research yet have not consulted w/ an audio expert ( because if your at the store talking to a sales person they'll say anything for you to pull the trigger on a $2,500-$2,800 hi fi setup... that's before getting a turntable, streamer etc.
If you personally had to choose between lintons and kef r3 meta what would you pick?
I wonder if that dip is in the crossover region between the mid and tweeter, and a cancelation is audible right in between when you're close to them. I bet this makes the O.G. Denton a better choice for nearfield.
These or the Lintons for home theater?
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May I suggest an upgrade from the Sonus Faber Lumina II comparisons to the Lumina II Amator? I don't think they make the former any longer, unless our dealer here doesn't have them any longer.
Hi Andrew, Is there any chance to review the new Wharfedale Aura range speakers ?
I will look into the possibility but nothing is on the schedule. Thanks for watching.
I requested them but I never received an answer. However, we have the Leak speakers in for review.
I'm quite curios how much of the Elysian ADN is in them :) . Thank you .
How do you think they would compare to the Lintons?
Tune in Friday morning for your answer.
Good Sunday Morning Andrew and Kristi. Another great review. This is a very competitive price segment in the bookshelf speaker market. Many great choices. Kristi, were you able to access the WSJ furniture not lasting article I mentioned in Friday's chat? If not, I can send you a PDF of the text I copied via your TRB email page. I didn't want to do so without your permission. Thanks again guys for the great content and looking forward to Friday's discussion. Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
I haven't had a chance to look for it yet. We've been busy with family. What is the title of the article so I know what to look for?
@@KristiWright "Your New $3,000 Couch Might Be Garbage In 3 Years" If you're not a WSJ subscriber you probably can't open it. Let me know if you can't and I can send you a copy of the text. Interesting article.
@@KristiWright Another WSJ article came out today you guys might be interested in with regard to your business about how its getting tougher for content providers like yourselves and social media influencers as mediums like RUclips are becoming stingier with payouts and ad sponsors more demanding. As I read it, your recent Unplugged discussion about the Arcam review not paying much stuck out in my head. Article title is "Social Media Influencers Aren't Getting Rich - They're Barely Getting By."
Been considering the super denton or Monitor audio silver 100. I'm thinking the Monitor audio would have more dynamics and bigger base.
Monitor Audio is going to be noticeably more dynamic and punchy.
If you ever come to Leeds, I’ll buy you some fish and chips with mushy peas….yes, that’s what people eat in the UK…..😂
I bet Supertramp or Yes sound great on those
I didn't find any album or genre that didn't sound good on these speakers. They're solid!
Can someone please educate me. Who is Carl? I guessed this is a derogatory term for a fictional loud listening character.. Carl has been mentioned before. So what is up with this?
We've mentioned Carl for a couple of months now in almost every video. It's not a derogatory term. Carl is an actual viewer who likes to push the volume.
Also, Carl is all of us. It's meant to be fun.
@@KristiWright Thank you!!!
Carl here, ya Andrew and I politely disagree on what loud is. 85db isn’t loud for me 😜 as SPL’s at my listening position on more than occasion hit 100+db.
When your amp and speakers can handle high outputs without distorting or compressing at this volume it’s really exciting!!
@@Carl-bd1rf Jeesh Carl. You really like living on the edge. How's your hearing? ;-)
Hi guys, can you give me a link to the grey marble table under the TV ? I looked below but I'm just not finding it.
I tagged it in the video for you around here 9:07. Our color has been discontinued but you may like one of the other options.
Happy fathers day Never heard Happy dad day?
How much of an effect do room correction routines like YAPO actually have on in room response?
They can have an effect on in-room responses at one or a few locations, but these types of correction don't solve decay times or outright poor placement.
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My wife and daughter are visiting the father in law so I went and bought a new Sony Bravia. 98 inches is ridiculous 😅😅😅
Oh, the Sony 98 is sooooo good!
Very old school looking and not worth the shingles Andrew. There are other speakers in the same price bracket ($1899 CDN$ + taxes) that would take these to the woodshed (in my opinion based on listening preference).
Love movies and dialogue heavy youtube content. Super dentonts looks amazing, and seem to be good too. Aestethics are very important for me! But feels like these are very music oriented and not meant to be used in a 3.1/5.1 setup? First thought about the Sony Bravia Theather Quad (because of their sound setup feature), but don’t like how they look so much and not sure about value and longevity.
Current items I'm considering buying (replacing a LG SN10Y soundbar):
AV: Sony TA-AN1000 (seems to be good value for money and for the future)
Loudspeakers: Wharfedale Super Denton
Stands: Solidsteel SS-5 (the shorter version of the ones you use)
Center: Wharfedale Diamond 12.C or 4.CS (not so sure about these, might want to reconsider, but hard to find a good matching pair)
Sub: No options here so far, any recommendations?
Thanks! Good content again!
Andrew, it’s been a while since I left a comment but wanted you to know I still phucs with you!