Eboni K. Williams on IVF Journey, Dating a Bus Driver, and Mom's Reason for Supporting Trump

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  • Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2024

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  • @MyTruth1771
    @MyTruth1771 11 месяцев назад +18

    How does she not realize that she absolutely doesn't need a man like herself.
    Men have realized for thousands of years that if they make a fortune, then we need a woman who has the time and space to focus on the family.
    This complimentarity is powerful. She's wealthy in capital but very poor in time, family focus and caring skills.
    She should have found a high school teacher who coaches kids sports and have many children.

    • @paulsimmons1221
      @paulsimmons1221 11 месяцев назад +6

      She is the man she’s looking for. And the men who are at that level don’t want her.

    • @p9a9r21
      @p9a9r21 11 месяцев назад

      Ms. Williams and her perpetually single sisters are single on PURPOSE not by accident or happenstance.
      Inexplicably domestic black women understand what they must do to be "competitive" options for successful mature men of other ethnicities.
      But refuse to recognize black men of similar socioeconomic status have the SAME REQUIREMENTS.

    • @progressiveGal73
      @progressiveGal73 10 месяцев назад +2

      You’re missing the point… all your points add up to the point. She would require a partner at least equal who can make her feel safe to lean back. Because we’re still working through the generations programmed to believe in a woman adding up to chattel for the man and his home, she requires her equal in thought *and* evolution so that he won’t feel the impulse (and compulsion) to crush her for his own egoic comfort. It’s not that other man’s fault, he was simply programmed this way. It doesn’t make him less, but it does make him a future dinosaur. Responsibility and accountability is to change and evolve oneself, however. It might not be your fault old school men (and women), but growth only hurts in the sprouts. Also, she’s saying what she would require in a partner, if it’s not you then it’s also ok to kindly keep it pushing.

    • @timothyjackson1779
      @timothyjackson1779 4 месяца назад

      @@progressiveGal73 It's funny that you say people don't get it. I think you have it wrong. If her and your train of thought was right and successful it would pay off. She would have no trouble finding someone. Her and many like her will only pass on their genes with great effort through medical intervention because what they want doesn't exist in nature. You have the right to feel and believe but the fact that this conversation is so prevalent is proof that something doesn't work with what is currently going on. The echo chamber allows people to feel impowered verses facing the fact that what they want doesn't work. If it did, they would have fond their person. People do get married and have kids and have happy successful families and relationships. But they don't. Somehow people convince themselves their right about the thing they don't have.

  • @GirlDadYoutubeChannel
    @GirlDadYoutubeChannel 10 месяцев назад +11

    Hello, this came upon my feed. I am a Girl Dad of four adult daughters 35, 29, 26 & 23 and they're all amazing women, I am grateful that God blessed me with all daughters because I am a better man, father and human being because of my daughters.
    Eboni K. Williams is difficult, I have watched so many of her videos, and she is just a difficult human being to get along with. At 40yrs old, I don't understand her energy.
    No man, regardless of his color of skin or religious beliefs, can help Eboni K. Williams become better because she is comfortable and set in her ways, and that's okay.
    A good man of Character, Integrity and Consistency will never tolerate or meet her combative energy. Eboni K. Williams doesn't want to be told anything because she knows everything, and a good man isn't willing to meet her because our Peace of Mind is essential!!!
    When she stated she didn't see her father as Consistency it explains to me as a father of adult daughters why she sees life through the lense in which she sees life.
    In my opinion, Eboni K. Williams missed her blessing of marriage a long time ago, time waits for no one. Human Beings can choose to be alone, but Loneliness is not a choice!!!
    I have learned a lot in my 58yrs of living, I am a very humble human being because my children have taught me Selflessness and at my age, I have no time or patience for raising more children unless they are my grandchildren!!!
    Life is too short for all this foolishness and nonsense. Men aren't stupid we know when we are being talked down too by women, and no man will tolerate a condescending woman!!!

    • @se_me1756
      @se_me1756 10 месяцев назад +3

      I agree and I’m a woman who was raised by a wonderful father and mother. Also, happily married, nearly 27 years to a wonderful man.

  • @GS-ff5dd
    @GS-ff5dd 11 месяцев назад +9

    Finally someone who thinks like me and says it eloquently

  • @michaelgray7891
    @michaelgray7891 10 месяцев назад +8

    I have a new understanding of who Ebony K Williams is. I really like her . I love her personality.

  • @benisturning30
    @benisturning30 10 месяцев назад +15

    I love that’s she’s always honest whether you like her or hate her.

  • @mmac8256
    @mmac8256 10 месяцев назад +8

    Really enjoyed this interview. Didn’t know anything about her but as a man I respect her strength and conviction. “Would not play small. Would not be a sidekick…” is a gem.

  • @ejkboxing
    @ejkboxing 11 месяцев назад +19

    Toure is too soft & weak-minded to tell Eboni what she needs to hear. He didn't help her at all. he just cosigned her foolishness. He was looking to kiss her ass & tell her she did nothing wrong. This woman is trying to figure out how to land the kind of man she wants. She's not interested in hearing that there was nothing wrong with her process. That would mean there's nothing she can do & that she'll never get the kind of man she wants. I'm married, but I'm the kind of man she's looking for, but I would never do anything with her because she's too damn manly & too damn masculine & is too damn into stuff & money. Money is a tool, not a status symbol. This is why you shouldn't flex your money as a woman because he will either tell you to kick rocks or try to swindle you out of that money you're bragging about. Eboni looked like a total babe when she was younger. Now she looks & sounds hard. She purposely deepened her voice to sound tough. She's the man she wants to be. No Masculine man is gonna say he's equal to her regardless of how much money & stuff she has. She thinks her money & stuff makes her the person in charge. If you can't defend yourself in a fist fight against a man, then you can't be in charge. You have to be able to take instructions & directions from a man to stay safe & protected & not feel like he's bossing you around. She & most women today are too damn reckless with their words & tone towards other people to stay safe & be protected. Men aren't guard dogs & ATMs.

    • @ChrisJones-rm7uu
      @ChrisJones-rm7uu 10 месяцев назад

      As the type of man she will never get how do you feel about her talking down about blue collar workers

    • @ejkboxing
      @ejkboxing 10 месяцев назад +1

      @ChrisJones-rm7uu She's not smart. She doesn't care about what men want from women. She's not gonna do any of that for a blue or white collar guy. I highly doubt she'll never be around blue-collar dudes in her daily life, so it doesn't matter what she thinks of them. If they aren't in TV, law, or medicine, or maybe politicians, she's not gonna be there. She loves college, but she will never date a scientist or college professor either because most of them aren't rich.

  • @espritsmith243
    @espritsmith243 11 месяцев назад +5

    I'm late to the party. Love this interview format. I grew up on Toure' interviews on MTV. This reminded me how much he has crafted this art of interviewing and empowering the art of storytelling.

  • @JLynnDsMyoosik
    @JLynnDsMyoosik 11 месяцев назад +11

    18:03 The fact that she flows in so many different circles should mean she has access to so many more men in her dating pool. She’s 40, unmarried, and childless, while wanting to be married with children. Clearly her criteria for what she’s requesting in a man is off-kilter in some facet.

  • @MegaMovieGalaxy
    @MegaMovieGalaxy 10 месяцев назад +6

    Parents tell your kids “NO” they need to hear the word no and respect it. This is essential for them to understand and respect boundaries.

  • @straightnochaser2450
    @straightnochaser2450 10 месяцев назад +9

    Whew a lot to unpack with Ebony. Iyanla never made the statement that "a man will save you", because she asked about finding a mate. Iyanla suggested that she relax her picky ness and asked her if she would "date a bus driver". Of course, she mentally calculates what he can or cannot do for her and states that "he would have to own the bus company". Mind you the conversation has already gone over Eboni's head, because she is talking about what he can do financially and Iyanla is speaking in terms of cultivating a relationship with a man that possibly have the same interest and values. But, of course Eboni has attached stipulations that have nothing to do with "building" a relationship. Now she outside choosing door #1; single motherhood. 🤷🏽‍♀

  • @Msdon833
    @Msdon833 10 месяцев назад +11

    No other race demonizes women who want a man with ambition.
    Ambition doesn’t mean “better” it’s a personality trait. Similar to some men are extroverted and others can be introverted - neither are bad they’re just different.

    • @gregorybennings8718
      @gregorybennings8718 10 месяцев назад +3

      Even if the bus driver is ambitious and wants to own his own business one day.....this old hag will reject him. She doesn't care for ambition and just wants a rich guy.

    • @saffylllama5609
      @saffylllama5609 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@gregorybennings8718She wants someone on her level. What's wrong with that?

    • @ROFusion
      @ROFusion 3 месяца назад

      @Msdon833, lol, what are you talking about? White men laugh at 40 year old white women who feel entitled to high-value men (i.e., like when Eboni said she wanted a man who owns the bus company). Asian men are even harsher toward older women than both black AND white men.

  • @Zone15Media
    @Zone15Media 11 месяцев назад +5

    Ok ..She respects her elders. That speaks volumes to her values. She's a rare jewel.😍😇

  • @THE_ROYALS2019
    @THE_ROYALS2019 10 месяцев назад +14

    She is absolutely gorgeous !!!!!!! 💯✊🏾💯

  • @richrowlandjr
    @richrowlandjr 10 месяцев назад +5

    At 27:10, Toure poses the classic question: 'What do you bring to the table?' The response perfectly encapsulates why a woman of her intellect and beauty is single and pursuing IVF solo. Her assertiveness, which she considers a strength, is actually a deterrent for men at her level. As Iyanla points out, this mindset is “out of order.” Being pushy doesn’t equate to being a help meet.

  • @beatlessbeauty1106
    @beatlessbeauty1106 8 месяцев назад +6

    Loved this well-balanced and lively interview.

  • @beingblaake7497
    @beingblaake7497 8 месяцев назад +7

    This was a great interview!

  • @yasharyahawadahda8140
    @yasharyahawadahda8140 11 месяцев назад +12

    She said Colman Domingo. He's gay lol....Women talk long enough and the true self come out.

  • @truth_serumm
    @truth_serumm 10 месяцев назад +4

    When Toure says things like “ you’re a man with this little job” I always wait for the moment they will be humbled.

  • @judahmac2249
    @judahmac2249 11 месяцев назад +63

    He is just comforting her at this point most men would have not coddled her in this fashion

    • @ayeeshahm9078
      @ayeeshahm9078 10 месяцев назад +16

      Coddled her?! The fact that you took that away from this intelligent conversation where they sparred intellectually and discussed a wide array of issues from ivf to politics, gun rights, beauty as advocacy etc, reflects a lack of comprehension on your part.

    • @bhillboy37
      @bhillboy37 10 месяцев назад +9

      @@ayeeshahm9078 Nah, he coddled her in my opinion as well.

    • @jaiyabyrd4177
      @jaiyabyrd4177 10 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@bhillboy37
      Coddled her like you still coddle Kevin "kitten heels 👠" Samuels dead, zesty ass

    • @ayubandiaye
      @ayubandiaye 10 месяцев назад +3

      That’s how he’s coddling his children, which is a recipe for disaster.

    • @18chaney
      @18chaney 10 месяцев назад +10

      @@ayeeshahm9078you can’t banter with these individuals… most aren’t even on this level to comprehend what’s being said.. they’re more than likely the men she speaks of that can’t compete or even MEET her where she’s at. So of course, they’re going to have a negative connotation from this conversation. Low vibrational at its best… 😊
      Keep thriving sis 💪🏽

  • @fitnesshigherselfhealthand7102
    @fitnesshigherselfhealthand7102 10 месяцев назад +11

    She said to be with her you have to over perform 😂

  • @CR-tv5dm
    @CR-tv5dm 10 месяцев назад +31

    Brothas, when our women say to us a form of assault has happened to them, please take a moment to express concern for that event and make sure they're okay. We are really mishandling those situations. Don't stay in that place and make it weird, but don't ignore it either.

  • @alexahawk
    @alexahawk 9 месяцев назад +6

    Just listening to what they actually said, I like her and agree with most of it. I see where she’s coming from. She’s not putting anyone down. She’s just very clear about who she is.
    Eg she is very accomplished and knows it. She also knows there are thousands like her, not a unicorn. She is beautiful in a certain way. If she can minimize it without sacrificing any core values, then she can also use it for advocacy. Don’t we all use what’s in our tool box?
    Never heard of her before today but she’s interesting. And Happy Founders Day, Soror.

    • @CassandraCarter-q1b
      @CassandraCarter-q1b 7 месяцев назад +1

      people are offended because they find themselves on what she is saying. She is describing them and like she said a hit dog gone holla and mad men on here hollin....LOUDLY

    • @JessicaWhiteheadAKA
      @JessicaWhiteheadAKA 7 месяцев назад

      💓💚

    • @JessicaWhiteheadAKA
      @JessicaWhiteheadAKA 7 месяцев назад +1

      💓💚 her commentary on legal platforms & her interviews in several are ALWAYS so informative and inspirational

  • @michellepittman7886
    @michellepittman7886 11 месяцев назад +4

    I really enjoyed this conversation. So much to unpack from this.
    It’s definitely mind blowing how the world has so much input on Black Women’s lifestyle and preferences and this is not an issue with other demographics of people.

    • @PFlaw317
      @PFlaw317 11 месяцев назад

      Maybe it's because sistas are so disturbingly open about putting our dysfunction out there for the entire the world to consume. From Oprah in the 80's all the way to using TikTok as a diary ..there's no shortage of BW putting their business out there for everyone to see including how men need to be in the context of dating & relationships.

    • @ChrisJones-rm7uu
      @ChrisJones-rm7uu 11 месяцев назад

      Yup am not cool with no gold diggers

    • @willia3r
      @willia3r 10 месяцев назад

      @@PFlaw317 exactly. If anything the #ados black community is a petri dish to observe what happens when its people fall prey to spiritual corruption like in end-stage Babylon.
      And the Jezebel behavior is fully embraced.

  • @according2cathy309
    @according2cathy309 10 месяцев назад +7

    Geaux, Eboni! I’m ALWAYS proud of you you because you’re being yourself in a world that doesn’t appreciate that attribute. #istanebonikwilliams #ebonikwilliams

    • @ChrisJones-rm7uu
      @ChrisJones-rm7uu 10 месяцев назад +2

      Yup being a gold digger 😂😂😂

    • @ITech2005
      @ITech2005 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@ChrisJones-rm7uuAnd theyve priced themselves right tf out of the market. 😂 They see a man as nothing more than his paycheck and want the world to feel sorry that theres not enough rich executives for them. Awww boo hoo.😢

    • @ChrisJones-rm7uu
      @ChrisJones-rm7uu 10 месяцев назад

      @@ITech2005 your right 👍

  • @neishapeterson416
    @neishapeterson416 10 месяцев назад +7

    Its best to date people on your level. Some people who are not on your level will drain you

  • @CR-tv5dm
    @CR-tv5dm 10 месяцев назад +7

    Also, my fellow men. It's okay not to have access to all the women. It's okay not to be for everybody because everybody is not for you. We get so butt hurt when we don't fit in a woman's list of standards and that's crazy.

    • @ROFusion
      @ROFusion 3 месяца назад

      We (men) are constantly told of our limitations and are therefore more accustomed to criticism. Watch how men reacted to Kevin Samuel's criticism vs. how women reacted to Kevin Samuel's criticism. Men were generally MUCH more accepting/respectful than women were. So, stop being a simp.

  • @hankdeezy6785
    @hankdeezy6785 11 месяцев назад +8

    2-5 million Dollars is not middle/upper middle class... These type of conversations are not real.

    • @ninagrace-lee8323
      @ninagrace-lee8323 6 месяцев назад +1

      Uh yeah. It’s real for HER because she knows the value of a dollar - that’s how she earned millions
      Most people think they are richer than they actually are. Reality check - if you have less than half a million in the bank you are NOT middle class. Middle class is comfort and working paycheck to paycheck is poverty bro

  • @taffrivers
    @taffrivers 10 месяцев назад +5

    Eboni just explained who I am and what I deserve in my romantic partnership... Another reason to crush on her... 🌹🥰

  • @kmurray559
    @kmurray559 11 месяцев назад +9

    I like Eboni ! I understand the struggle of trying to date. Some men are intimidated by a woman’s aspirations and success. 🎉Kudos to Eboni for not settling.

    • @ChrisJones-rm7uu
      @ChrisJones-rm7uu 10 месяцев назад

      I guess you going to end up like her with no man and lonely

    • @kmurray559
      @kmurray559 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@ChrisJones-rm7uu No I’m going to end up happy without a man leaching off me or having to talk to a man with a 3rd grade vocabulary. Level Up !

    • @shizz3907
      @shizz3907 10 месяцев назад

      Eboni’s take on things implies that she wouldn’t even date a researcher with a PhD who makes like 70k a year (if even that) because despite having an education, he doesn’t make the money. She’s reached a level of success that most of the men she’s looking for are a super small percent of the population of men and those men have no problem themselves with “dating down”.
      A male doctor would date a nurse, but not many female doctors would date a male nurse….

  • @ashpiredliving
    @ashpiredliving 11 месяцев назад +3

    Beautiful enlightened conversation ❤

  • @aj-ny
    @aj-ny 10 месяцев назад +7

    Eboni is a Beautiful 👑 Queen. Yes do you, so that you don't have any regrets 👍🏿

    • @RealSugam
      @RealSugam 10 месяцев назад +1

      Oh she will, she will have a lot of those regrets and will need a lot of happy pills when she gets older to keep dodging reality.

  • @missfavoured
    @missfavoured 10 месяцев назад +1

    23:35 I love how HE explained and interpreted the situation. I rooted for Eboni K.’s position. Why doubling down, when you’ve worked hard to go up?!

  • @mischahardy7161
    @mischahardy7161 9 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you an amazing interview ❤❤❤...but fan of Eboni🎉🎉🎉

  • @d.spigner3077
    @d.spigner3077 11 месяцев назад +16

    What I love about Eboni is that she is well informed, authentic, and always willing to share her wealth of knowledge in every space that a microphone is place in front of her. It's been wonderful watching her growth from State of the Culture where I first discovered her.

    • @McOofy
      @McOofy 11 месяцев назад +2

      Agree 100 percent. She would make a great side chick.

    • @nmk5003
      @nmk5003 11 месяцев назад +2

      This is one of the goofiest conversations on dating that I have ever heard.

    • @getmoneychill6462
      @getmoneychill6462 11 месяцев назад

      Eboni be repeating Kev Samuels

    • @nmk5003
      @nmk5003 11 месяцев назад

      @@getmoneychill6462 Kevin Samuel's also gave goofy dating advice.

    • @flawed2001
      @flawed2001 11 месяцев назад

      @@nmk5003So what is your dating advice then? Let’s see how wise you are….

  • @jcowan493
    @jcowan493 10 месяцев назад +10

    She's so masculine. She not soft, warm, gentle, tender, sensitive, I see no trad feminine qualities.

    • @leahpollard3710
      @leahpollard3710 5 месяцев назад

      So untrue and btw it’s 2024 who cares wake up. We don’t all need to follow the same guidelines anymore

  • @mochap19
    @mochap19 11 месяцев назад +15

    I love this interview and I love Eboni K. Williams.

  • @MelodyMaker151
    @MelodyMaker151 11 месяцев назад +8

    I just hate this narrative that successful black couples are essentially alien beings. My frat just had a successful fundraiser and it was filled with beautiful married black couples across all ages. Even one of the gay men in my chapter is married - to an equally successful black man. So the issue is she may be the common denominator and can't or won't admit it. Ebony may be 40 but there are folks in their 60s and 70s getting married or remarried. She has a bigger part to play in where she is than she thinks she does.

    • @getmoneychill6462
      @getmoneychill6462 11 месяцев назад +1

      She’s driven & only see things her way

    • @ChrisJones-rm7uu
      @ChrisJones-rm7uu 11 месяцев назад +1

      She needs to let go of gold digging it's not helping her

    • @willia3r
      @willia3r 10 месяцев назад +1

      Black women embraced this single culture starting in the 1960s & 1970s so of course this situation like we see with Eboni K. Williams is the end result.
      This is the endgame for the #ados black community.
      The decline before the final downfall.

  • @Zone15Media
    @Zone15Media 11 месяцев назад +6

    I am listening to this lady thinking she would make a great wife for me. Not just listening but looking too. She is angelic. I give her a 9.9 ranking She would be a 10 in my eyes without the lashes.. I am a 56 year old man and I desire a family. I have no children and I want a child. I intentionally focused on my health and the results are I'm in my sexual prime.

  • @p9a9r21
    @p9a9r21 11 месяцев назад +6

    Wanted a Mansion More Than a Marriage....
    With all due respect, I am directly and personally acquainted with several single black men who "check all the boxes" and then some Ms. Williams and other "strong and independent" black women have.
    We didn't arrive on planet Earth from another universe/dimension and I'm fairly certain Ms. Williams has heard /known/ met one of us over the past two decades.
    So the questions are; why is she and other black women like her perpetual single? And next, what are the possiblities this demographic of black women could connect with one of the men they SAY they want?
    First, if Ms Williams had made being a wife to a black man in the rarified top 5% she certainly could have. But she and her sisters missed their window of opportunity because their focus was NOT on marriage. They wanted to get a mansion much more than a marriage.
    Second, at present Ms. Williams and her sisters would rather attribute their self imposed perpetual singlehood on relevant but CORRECTABLE issues.
    Domestic black women can't find us because they refuse to take off their blinders, make the committment and most important play the game of mating/dating to WIN.
    Admittedly men, particularly men of color who are financially capable of the lifestyle Ms. Williams references exist, but she must learn WHERE to look, focus on a "target"and this is most important do WHATEVER IT TAKES to close escrow.

  • @Ambient_Inspiration
    @Ambient_Inspiration 10 месяцев назад +6

    I get the conversation, I think there is a disconnect because there are women working as bank tellers who refuse to date the proverbial bus driver.

    • @ninagrace-lee8323
      @ninagrace-lee8323 6 месяцев назад

      That’s not her problem though. Ebony is a millionaire - so maybe keep the conversation to your tax bracket not hers

    • @ROFusion
      @ROFusion 3 месяца назад

      @@ninagrace-lee8323, she's also 40. Which makes her low-value to rich men. Unless she wants a man who's 60+ years old. Despite what Sex and the City tells, women, wealthy men in their 40s aren't lining up to date 40 year old women. That's why Eboni's only option (prior to becoming a baby mama) was to date a man who was already a single father.

  • @kimharris1920
    @kimharris1920 11 месяцев назад +6

    Loved the interview! Eboni's insights were truly eye-opening. I stand with her and share her perspectives. Congrats to her on the journey to motherhood. #livinglifeonherterms

    • @openmindchannel1978
      @openmindchannel1978 11 месяцев назад +1

      This woman is like a chameleon never know when she is telling the truth or not. On one interview the men were the problems , we don't need men, then all of a sudden all what men's have been saying for decades were right .. Funny These women thinks they can decides what men's wants and what and who men's would be willing to marry or not. They forgot that we created this world, this system , the educations they are always bragging about and the standards to follow..

    • @thundacat9378
      @thundacat9378 11 месяцев назад

      I offered my condolences to her unborn, who won’t have the experience of being raised with its father, in a two-parent household, because the mother never learned how to keep a man.. with the millions of men in this world

    • @openmindchannel1978
      @openmindchannel1978 11 месяцев назад +1

      These same women who are always complaining about men not working hard enough, not being ambitious enough, or just working one job instead of 2,3, then would be complaining about not spending ir having enough time for them..

    • @SE-gs6gd
      @SE-gs6gd 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@thundacat9378I’m sure her child will be fine. Stop

    • @SE-gs6gd
      @SE-gs6gd 11 месяцев назад

      @@openmindchannel1978this is how life works. You have to juggle both. Women do it all the time. Not everything in life is easy. Talk with any couple with children who are both professionals.

  • @kareemabdulwahhab6919
    @kareemabdulwahhab6919 10 месяцев назад +3

    Touré’s face when she’s explaining herself says a lot.

  • @williejohnson5172
    @williejohnson5172 11 месяцев назад +5

    1. Extraordinary woman. An attractive blend of beauty, brains, and sadly, naivete. That baby is going to make her snap to attention real quick.
    2. Eboni would be absolutely exhausting as a long term partner. Great girfriend or FWB though.
    3. Eboni would be a great HIRE for an ESTABLISHED man of means. Perfect consigliere.
    4. Her problem is she is as ambitious as the type of man desires. She has to be the boss and Alpha men are not having it.
    5. Her political acumen and rational view on politics was a godsend. She made Toure look like a complete fool on the Trump issue. He showed himself to be just another small minded sheep, who plays politics like tiddlywinks.

  • @anonymoususer1824
    @anonymoususer1824 11 месяцев назад +9

    "I love how your beauty is wrapped up in a political mission?" What man in history has ever thought to himself.. omg I am sooo turned on by her politics! I must have her!! 🙄

    • @candorsspot2775
      @candorsspot2775 11 месяцев назад

      These women have been so miseducated and these soy boy leftists only encourage them.

    • @paulsimmons1221
      @paulsimmons1221 11 месяцев назад +1

      She is the man that she wants. Not the woman men want!!!

    • @candorsspot2775
      @candorsspot2775 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@paulsimmons1221So many moments I laughed. She says because her life is so chaotic and busy, she just wants a man that she can laugh and relax with. This clown sounds like a man, yep talking about what type of woman she is, she says she's a damn pitbull that won't let a man rest because he's gotta always be pushing for the next goal and next idea. She's really become a high value man.

  • @hill610
    @hill610 10 месяцев назад +1

    That was a fascinating interview, and there was so much to unpack in it, I just wish there were more spaces to have these types of discussions. I was also surprised how the political part of the discussion seemed to be an us versus them or what those people are doing or saying...
    All in all a great discussion.

  • @RCCrosby
    @RCCrosby 11 месяцев назад +3

    Matthew 7:13-14
    13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

  • @WandafulWrldWide
    @WandafulWrldWide 11 месяцев назад +2

    Great interview, Toure.

  • @msace6710
    @msace6710 9 месяцев назад +12

    I love EKW. A beautiful black woman is reaping greatness for Not having lowered her standards and only wants to be around those who have similar principles. Nobody is perfect but at least try. To black young women saving eggs is a great idea, just in case you have Not found a partner that you would have kids with you can still be a mother later.

    • @barrythompson7651
      @barrythompson7651 7 месяцев назад

      Terrible advice to black young women. Freezing your eggs is not a plan!! It points to deeper issues and relationship mistakes made in their 20's and early 30's. Young black women; do the opposite of EKW younger in life if you want a different relationship outcome.

    • @leahpollard3710
      @leahpollard3710 5 месяцев назад

      Hallelujah and amen

  • @b-gill9224
    @b-gill9224 10 месяцев назад +9

    She's living in a state of constant delusion.

    • @mobrown7594
      @mobrown7594 9 месяцев назад

      That’s why she is left at 40, she is gassed by her education from a working class back ground. She is enamoured by her self

    • @brianmeen2158
      @brianmeen2158 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@mobrown7594and she doesn’t realize(or is slowly realizing it) that her education and career do not matter or make her more attractive to men.

  • @orlandomccall4296
    @orlandomccall4296 10 месяцев назад +3

    Love this interview. When I heard about the "Bus Driver" I was turned off, but now... I clearly understand where she is coming from. Now, I love this Lady

  • @BlueBookLessons
    @BlueBookLessons 11 месяцев назад +7

    Simply put: the man she wants doesn't want you. Lol. Stop trying to bully men into the person you want to be. Lol.

  • @legacyb3798
    @legacyb3798 10 месяцев назад +9

    I wish he would let her finish the thought!!!!!!!

  • @Jay-vv8mq
    @Jay-vv8mq 11 месяцев назад +7

    This interview is the equivalent of really bad sex😟

  • @Private.eye.007
    @Private.eye.007 11 месяцев назад +4

    No man that she would want, would want her back, it’s that simple

  • @cikidiharrison4813
    @cikidiharrison4813 11 месяцев назад +3

    His kids were mad disrespectful but she never said that they respected her😂😂😂 living in denial is a very powerful thing they just didn't love you and neither did he

  • @fitnesshigherselfhealthand7102
    @fitnesshigherselfhealthand7102 10 месяцев назад +13

    This is somewhat sad. With all those accolades she doesn’t have the most beautiful things in life. Children and a healthy marriage.

    • @tam6011
      @tam6011 10 месяцев назад +5

      Nahhh

    • @saffylllama5609
      @saffylllama5609 4 месяца назад +1

      To have the most beautiful things in life a woman needs to live her life in service to a man and bare children? 😅😅😂😂🥴

  • @ladyt_ismyname6643
    @ladyt_ismyname6643 10 месяцев назад +4

    It’s interesting that men narrow their focus to the one woman who addresses the failures of men.

  • @reddrickredman8802
    @reddrickredman8802 11 месяцев назад +2

    she is an astute individual regarding politics, I align with her politics can't believe I said that .................BIG SMILE

  • @yasharyahawadahda8140
    @yasharyahawadahda8140 11 месяцев назад +11

    LMAO....Eboni K Williams attracted to a man that don't even like women. Colman Domingo...This not going to age well...said too much...

    • @MrMmdbeats
      @MrMmdbeats 11 месяцев назад

      Oh you saw that too right!? That had me in tears! 😂😂😂

    • @candorsspot2775
      @candorsspot2775 11 месяцев назад

      I googled that man and the first pic they came up was him hugged up with a white dude. WTF lol.

    • @yasharyahawadahda8140
      @yasharyahawadahda8140 11 месяцев назад

      @@candorsspot2775 All the research she does in men you would think she would know this....Either she knows or she didn't do a thorough research.

    • @candorsspot2775
      @candorsspot2775 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@yasharyahawadahda8140 Im sure she knows. She doesn't see anything wrong with it. I see a bit of contradiction in her. On the one hand, she still has some traditional Southern sensibilities, but she's mostly a modern radical feminist.

    • @willia3r
      @willia3r 10 месяцев назад

      She has fully embraced gender bender Transhumanism demonology from Babylon.
      Not much else can be said about that one.

  • @computerblue1000
    @computerblue1000 10 месяцев назад +8

    I think her personality holds her back. She just seems so irritated and stiff to me.

    • @VirgosGroove3
      @VirgosGroove3 8 месяцев назад

      Yeah she has an aggressive demeanor, I like her as a person but as a woman I can see men getting tired of her quickly 😮‍💨

  • @Triplenet_Agent
    @Triplenet_Agent 11 месяцев назад +5

    I need a friend like her.

  • @TheHumanitarian23
    @TheHumanitarian23 10 месяцев назад +11

    I'm glad to see that she has not allowed all the negative sheeple derail her from her goals. Stop trying to humble successful black women. You will perish from yr dark basements and caves, while fixated on her continuous success. Wishing you countless blessings on your journey Ebony, please let the spectators spectate😅

    • @leahpollard3710
      @leahpollard3710 5 месяцев назад

      Beautifully said. These comments are absolutely horrendous

  • @erikpolk2962
    @erikpolk2962 11 месяцев назад +8

    Toure is the worst person to have the " bus driver" talk with. As her "friend" he ignored the nuances of her response to Ayala 's question, which inferred a lot more than what she simply said. Moreover, the term "partner" is used like a business proposition while also being used to reference a romantic relationship from which to produce children and a family. Thus men are saying in response, "this is bad business for me", given the totality of circumstance in the current environment.

  • @King-mf6kl
    @King-mf6kl 10 месяцев назад +2

    Great interview. I think I understand her a little better now.

  • @kipwonder2233
    @kipwonder2233 11 месяцев назад +1

    (48:21)…She had me at…”Daf*k we talkin bout?!?”

  • @marcasino3117
    @marcasino3117 11 месяцев назад +4

    You can tell she's laughing to keep from crying

  • @keithdubois8579
    @keithdubois8579 9 месяцев назад +6

    I sear, these women live in another world.

  • @torrencegill4650
    @torrencegill4650 10 месяцев назад +6

    She still doesn’t get it! Coming together with a partner means coming together with your finances, support for aspirations, and love!

    • @ymo9780
      @ymo9780 10 месяцев назад +1

      How can she get it? She never had that example growing up and not humble enough to do the work because she is too busy educating others.

    • @torrencegill4650
      @torrencegill4650 10 месяцев назад

      @@ymo9780 she’s around all these men who differ from her but no matter what anyone says, she goes back to her default mentality

    • @tam6011
      @tam6011 10 месяцев назад +1

      She gets that but men typically don’t want a woman making more than them to come together. She is easily making 1 mil a year. Can she a man making 150k come together with her. Probably not.

    • @djacobs427
      @djacobs427 9 месяцев назад +1

      She is in a different tax bracket. Those that I know in her bracket or higher who’ve been married for a long time don’t blend finances. My great-grandparents were married until death but they did not blend finances. They talked about joint purchases but did not blend

  • @mercyh193
    @mercyh193 5 месяцев назад +1

    What a great interview 👏!

  • @yeamaneal5652
    @yeamaneal5652 10 месяцев назад +2

    Great interview!

  • @victorshaw8619
    @victorshaw8619 11 месяцев назад +9

    I'm pretty sure Ms.Williams knows a lot of men in her "bracket" who can do all that ish she wants. I'm just wondering why she hasn't been chosen by said men yet. Obviously she wants a man who is in a better position than her, but why would those type of men deal with her? I'm just a regular guy who works hard. No debt, no children and if our country doesn't go to complete hell in the next few years with LUCK I can be working solely for myself and FINALLY getting where I want to be fiscally. With that being said I would be cool with dating the cute chick who works at Subway or whatever, I don't need a woman to match my "ambition" all she has to do is increase my peace. As much as a "BOSS B" Ms.Williams is... she won't find peace with her mindset.

    • @just2cool4u100
      @just2cool4u100 11 месяцев назад +2

      She has only been seen as a smash and dump. Wealthy and successful men are not going to marry a woman like her because she is insufferable. The white men that she prefers are definitely not going to put up with an attitude like hers. Hence why she has never been married to a wealthy man.

    • @ChrisJones-rm7uu
      @ChrisJones-rm7uu 10 месяцев назад

      Congratulations cuz I work a 9 to 5 and I'm a county worker and I'm setting up for retirement and I got a house and a wife and kids so am going to be set once I retire women like her want what Meghan Markle got but look at her now Merkel is it's down and out and looking like trash but good luck to your endeavor man

    • @ayeeshahm9078
      @ayeeshahm9078 10 месяцев назад +2

      She's already at peace though, and is living life on her own terms. Why does her ability and capacity to choose and set standards for herself trigger you ?!

    • @victorshaw8619
      @victorshaw8619 10 месяцев назад

      @@ayeeshahm9078 Tennessee.

    • @jcarter5521
      @jcarter5521 10 месяцев назад

      Is she really tho? It seems like she’s doing the same cycle as her mother. Successful single mother raising a child because she doesn’t want to negotiate parenting with the father like her single mother.

  • @traceydavis8993
    @traceydavis8993 9 месяцев назад +3

    Love her!!

  • @WordofMouthProduction
    @WordofMouthProduction 10 месяцев назад +3

    Calling your man your playmate is a bit of an issue, because what do you do when you're tired if playing with something

    • @currentlynoname7499
      @currentlynoname7499 10 месяцев назад +3

      Playmate and toy are 2 different things. A toy is what you play with and a playmate is the person who plays with you. If you get fed up with what you are playing with (the toy), you and the playmate can find another toy or game to play together.

  • @kindahere4this
    @kindahere4this 11 месяцев назад +3

    I think Eboni missed Iylana point. Women are in their heads too much about love it’s not like your career where you plan everything and run it. She wasn’t literally telling her to date a bus driver.

    • @SE-gs6gd
      @SE-gs6gd 11 месяцев назад

      I kinda think she was

  • @Kick_rocks_Kamala
    @Kick_rocks_Kamala 10 месяцев назад +3

    Anton Daniels brought me here lol

  • @LOSTGPS
    @LOSTGPS 11 месяцев назад +10

    Loong story short, the men that she wants doesn't want her and so she takes that frustration out on black men by bashing us but at the end of the night, she's still bitter and lonely.

    • @DH-uw3us
      @DH-uw3us 4 месяца назад +1

      How is she bashing BM? She spoke about what she wants in a partner.

  • @msace6710
    @msace6710 5 месяцев назад +2

    ❤Ebony is so beautiful and imspiring.

  • @Liy___444
    @Liy___444 10 месяцев назад +10

    What does Eboni bring to the table? A whole Nother table and then some.

    • @MsEllaHamilton
      @MsEllaHamilton 10 месяцев назад +3

      If she brings a whole nother table, who is going to bring the chairs, plates, glasses, forks, spoons, cook, decorate, provide the nice smells, the earnest ear, the soothing tone, the moral support, etc..?

    • @obiziii
      @obiziii 10 месяцев назад

      Well said @Np-oy2jw

    • @MicMasterJ
      @MicMasterJ 10 месяцев назад +2

      Yes, with seating for 1

    • @tam6011
      @tam6011 10 месяцев назад +1

      I agree. As far all the other items at the table it’s not needed. The house and the other table has those items. You share those items with the other table.

    • @progressiveGal73
      @progressiveGal73 10 месяцев назад +3

      Apparently what’s pissing some folks off the most is that she doesn’t have to bring her table anywhere~ bc it’s her table, lol. Folks are mad bc she’d like a partner but doesn’t need one. Well, damn. It’s her gd table, she can set it any way she likes.

  • @rongelaredmond4273
    @rongelaredmond4273 9 месяцев назад +4

    I am a fan of Ms. Eboney.

  • @user-kp7bi1ug9e
    @user-kp7bi1ug9e 4 месяца назад +2

    I love Toure's confusion at hearing Eboni talk about being "men in skirts" or whatever. Everyone doesn't subscribe to these Kevin Samuels internet ideologies. The echo chamber in black media would have you think everyone thinks like that.

  • @gregg4218
    @gregg4218 10 месяцев назад +4

    I respect he bus driver point, but it’s much easier to “do multiple things” when you work in entertainment. When she was exclusively a Lawyer,I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t do multiple things for income.

  • @user-ky2tn6jb5h
    @user-ky2tn6jb5h 11 месяцев назад +7

    Im sorry, but Ebony sounding like a man isn't going to get her the outcome she looking for. Don't let that go over your head what i said.

  • @Mncrr
    @Mncrr 10 месяцев назад +3

    She’s a product of an “ I don’t need no man” mother. And she spent he’s 20s and most of her 30s with the same attitude.

  • @RushBig0786
    @RushBig0786 10 месяцев назад +13

    Eboni K is a cute woman. For her to be single and childless in her 40s should be an example to ALL young women that being educated, successful, strong and independent is great for business but will have you lonely and talking to doctors in your 40s about fertility options.

    • @CassandraCarter-q1b
      @CassandraCarter-q1b 7 месяцев назад +5

      I would rather be that than to be with a man has needs to be raised and taking care of. She is a 6,7 figure earner...why aren't you? She has at least 4,5 different skillsets each bringing in revenue...... How many skill sets do you have???? but SHE'S got problems???????

    • @delmarfo
      @delmarfo 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@CassandraCarter-q1byou missed the point

    • @leahpollard3710
      @leahpollard3710 5 месяцев назад +1

      Wow great message. Is that what u taught your daughter? To dumb down herself so she could trap a man. Is the comment section from the 1959s I’m confused

    • @saffylllama5609
      @saffylllama5609 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@delmarfo No she didn't miss the point, she's right on target.

  • @Sleepy11323
    @Sleepy11323 10 месяцев назад +9

    She simply doesn’t get it. For as well spoken she is, she’s ridiculously shallow. She keeps speaking to superficial things with regard to compatibility. All the education and accomplishments in the world aren’t going to make someone like you or be with you if you’re shallow and as judgmental as she is. That’s why she’s 40, single and trying to have a child by herself. Way more accomplished women than her have mates and husbands.

    • @jcarter5521
      @jcarter5521 10 месяцев назад

      Exactly, it’s almost as if she wears her accomplishments like a badge of honor thst defines her.
      If you get a have a doctorate as a heart doctor, you got the phd because you’re passionate about hearts and wanting to improve hearts, because the phd was a prerequisite as a by product on your journey to what mage you happy.
      Man makes the money money doesn’t make the man.

    • @ayubandiaye
      @ayubandiaye 10 месяцев назад +1

      Extremely shallow and materialistic. Men of character and value will never choose her. If she has a baby girl, the child will grow to be a carbon copy of her so that’ll be 3 generations of strong, single, independent women with no families. Sad that they plant the seeds of horrible outcomes for their unborn children by choosing to be a single parents.

  • @recipebandit3563
    @recipebandit3563 11 месяцев назад +3

    Great interview!! So sad to see so many women like Eboni without the spouse they desire...but that was the plan, right.

    • @Powerincarnate.
      @Powerincarnate. 11 месяцев назад

      Why? She made her choices, She was married already and wrecked her marriage and left. She also was Engaged already and also chose to leave. Life is about choices and tradeoffs. Listen to her speak. That pitbull in a skirt like attitude that makes her a successful lawyer/business person has tradeoffs.
      She had lots of opportunity. She was in college and in Law School. Lots of potential mates that she let pass by. She is also a famous person, with a show, is on the internet and TV, and has access to many persons in high places...Why don't she attract one of them?
      Which brings back to what I said. Life is about choices and tradeoffs. She said she wants to meet a man who can clearly keep up with her lifestyle, one who is a leader and can take over the room. One who SHE will make the best version of themselves, and so forth. So then then next question is cool, What does THAT man want in a woman? Does THAT man want a woman Leading him to be the best version of himself, Does that man want someone who may not be able to have children at this point, and does THAT man want such a loud, aggressive, and quite frankly masculine woman. Once you look at it form the other side, you see why she is where she is.
      I wish her the best.

  • @babajidejoshua7287
    @babajidejoshua7287 10 месяцев назад +6

    She sounds sad 😔, when she spoke about how she was raised n how she feels about her ex's children, i now understand how she'll struggle to get along with men. And being a single mother will not help her mindset and bulldog attitude. She's also comes across very superficial and defined herself by outside accolades and validation
    She's definitely not a bad person but she's most likely a difficult person.

    • @willia3r
      @willia3r 10 месяцев назад +1

      Her parents didnt do her any favors. Probably filled her head with Disney Princess fantasies growing up.

    • @TheBlakkSamurai
      @TheBlakkSamurai 10 месяцев назад

      And if she has a son God help him.

  • @CamilleSowell
    @CamilleSowell 11 месяцев назад +3

    Love you ebony

  • @mobrown7594
    @mobrown7594 9 месяцев назад +6

    Toure is pandering to her and it’s not helping her, she needs to calm down

  • @dannywalton6305
    @dannywalton6305 10 месяцев назад +2

    My daughter just graduated in her field she will do great monetary, at her ceremony there was a absence of young black men. I don't want her to follow in Eboni's footsteps, these Ladies have to figure out what to do going forward

    • @willia3r
      @willia3r 10 месяцев назад +2

      The black american family after the 1970s & especially the 1980s pretty much destroyed their boys as a collective.
      They threw their boys under the bus and into the fire to satisfy racist liberals and misandrist feminists.
      Its no small wonder that the #ados community is slowly being choked out and replaced with immigrants.
      Weak communities with weak family structures will inevitable be overwhelmed and absorbed by strong communities with strong family structures.
      Survival of the fittest and strongest, as it stands.

  • @florida_man3367
    @florida_man3367 11 месяцев назад +2

    The most important thing Eboni said in this interview is about the 20% on black men who would vote for Trump if the election was today. Last election it was 15%, now it’s grown to 20% and folks like Toure just keep glossing over it like it means nothing. Democrats better start listening or that chaotic ass man is going to be president again.

    • @candorsspot2775
      @candorsspot2775 11 месяцев назад +1

      The lefts political agenda is toxic to blk men that vote. It's a matter of waking up.

    • @dmoneyas24
      @dmoneyas24 11 месяцев назад +2

      Chaotic? We were much better off during Trump’s term than Biden’s. Democrats spit in the face of black people…..the illegal immigrants, who Democrats allow in this country, are being treated like kings/queens while blacks suffer. Gtfoh

    • @willia3r
      @willia3r 10 месяцев назад

      So what? Black men are completely fawked by both parties either way.
      I dont understand why the black community has gotten so effeminized in the last 2 generations that everything is all about how women feel.

  • @tgee1007
    @tgee1007 11 месяцев назад +9

    A woman going through IVF to be a single mother is selfish as hell. Nothing about that factors in the life and the psyche of the child.
    Her mom did it and because she’s a pseudo success, she think it’s a good idea.
    This bird is selfish!

    • @demond1818
      @demond1818 11 месяцев назад +1

      Her whole makeup is selfish. In the whole time she talks about finding a mate, it's all about what he can do for her. She mentioned that she would never pay the mortgage in a relationship, but she makes great money. What sense does it make to spend years becoming financially successful and then not want to contribute to the highest bill in the household?

    • @tgee1007
      @tgee1007 11 месяцев назад

      I’m also confused when she described the guys she’s dating sons respect level. In one hand they were just acting like teenage boys, but she gave no real examples. This gives me the impression that she may not be truthful.
      Also, the things she said the dad was doing to be friends with his kids, so she has a problem with a dad spending time with his children at a concert?
      Which to her equates to him wanting to be a friend.

    • @tgee1007
      @tgee1007 11 месяцев назад

      When she did her sales pitch of what she brings to the table, that is not what men looks for in a women.
      However that is exactly what an employer looks for in an employee.

  • @lawr8th
    @lawr8th 10 месяцев назад +6

    Toure! You dropped the ball bruh. Eboni confessed to being sexually assaulted in 2022 and you didn’t even bat an eye. Wtf! That’s breaking news man! You should’ve tried to unpack that and find out what happened

    • @TheBlakkSamurai
      @TheBlakkSamurai 10 месяцев назад

      Exactly! Because clearly that had to affect her personality and her viewpoint of black men. This needed deeper exploration.

    • @lawr8th
      @lawr8th 10 месяцев назад +3

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@TheBlakkSamuraiwe don’t know if the person who assaulted her was black. That’s why I called out Toure for not tryna unpack that. But even if he was black, it had nothing to do with her opinion on black men. Her view on us was formed a long time ago

  • @mobrown7594
    @mobrown7594 11 месяцев назад +7

    Toure stop pandering to her, she just asked would you date a bus driver, she didn’t just say he was a bus driver. Very weak of you, you know it was incorrect that’s why you said it went left lol she needs to listen and stop talking so much, she is like a nouveau rich person but with her education, just cause your educated it does not make you a super human being it makes you educated lol. That’s why she is still single and doing IVF.

  • @openmindchannel1978
    @openmindchannel1978 11 месяцев назад +4

    My question would be since when working like a lunatic and be so obsessed with material things and money has become the thing.. Is it really worth it to waste more of your precious times and youth at works , stress and running after money more important than your health, family , seeing your husband and kids grow and aged together. That's what life has becomes now, working like dogs and slaves for what , to makes car dealerships richer, ,gave away half of your life and wealth basically to the government , and getting Designers richer , that's your life and ends goals. I am not signing for that..Sorry

    • @illrizzocgg1009
      @illrizzocgg1009 11 месяцев назад

      Its all for the egos, but the chicken are about to come home to roost for these modern woman.

  • @Jupiterxice
    @Jupiterxice 11 месяцев назад +9

    If Kevin Samuels was alive, he would have field day with this. Tell her "You cant make this stuff up" lmaooooooooo. Bet the bus driver and drive by her.

    • @hoopandhands3328
      @hoopandhands3328 11 месяцев назад +1

      Ironically Kevin Samuels is technically the type of dude she would have wanted, even though she wouldn't have agreed with him.

    • @nancy347
      @nancy347 10 месяцев назад

      KS wasn’t married.

    • @bellavega8048
      @bellavega8048 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@hoopandhands3328nah, Kevin was actually a loser and didn’t get money until he was close to death.

  • @Sammi-rr7wp
    @Sammi-rr7wp 10 месяцев назад +11

    She’s a walking contradiction

  • @ayubandiaye
    @ayubandiaye 10 месяцев назад +5

    “Try to say yes as much as possible” is the worst parenting advice that any parent can be given across any culture. The world will not say yes to your kids and children will not understand boundaries. I do agree with children being visible and individuals with their own feelings that deserve respect. But saying yes to everything creates a monster that you won’t be able to tame.

    • @sparker7768
      @sparker7768 10 месяцев назад +2

      Absolutely! This is why these children don't respect rules. Ask a teacher.

  • @jeffreyknopf8959
    @jeffreyknopf8959 9 месяцев назад +4

    Eboni reminds me of Stephen A Smith! What I mean by that is her attitude is very similar to Stephen A Smith! She wants the BEST for her level, and I believe Stephen A Smith would be PERFECT for her level!!!

    • @williamsmith151
      @williamsmith151 4 месяца назад +1

      Hammer. Their egos will violently crash. Right now they're just fodder for the ignorant

    • @williamsmith151
      @williamsmith151 4 месяца назад

      Hmmm