A quick correction: The design guidelines for the current MAX BRT Lines were included in both the RouteAhead document in 2012 and the Accessible Design Standards published in 2016. I have included them both in the bio for your reference. Also, the original Transit Friendly Design guide was from 1995 and last updated in 2006. Those guidelines mainly target the 300s bus lines - I assume.
Thanks for sharing, I've learned quite a bit about Calgary's transit through these videos. I have only ridden rail there a couple times several years ago and was actually impressed given the stereotypes of Alberta.
Ah I see! I asked the driver that day if I have to pay extra. He asked where I was going to and I said "Beddington Trail." Then he just shooked his head saying No you don't!
8:50 Thankfully, the city is planning on making Anderson station a lot more transit oriented at the stations and the nearby mall. This is alos the case with Brentwood, Westbrook, Chinook, and possibly Rundle.
5:13 XD40’s 8301-8308 are fitted with luggage racks specifically for use on the 300, and have been since 2018. Previously that role was fulfilled by 2011-12 Novas 8176-8183, which also had luggage racks that have since been removed.
Thanks for your videos! A few observations to share: • Summer tends to be a lighter season for Calgary Transit ridership, with more users geared to destinations/events - Stampede, CFL football, some festivals, Bowness Park on weekends. You'll even see riders use buses as a multi-modal option when going upstream before/after recreational floating down the Bow River. (They bring their deflated rafts on the bus!) • The airport bus no longer charges a special rate at YYC. It now accepts a standard fare there. • Max Orange continues to blossom, with the introduction of high-frequency daytime service on weekdays in Fall 2023, with a respectable 20-minute service in the evening. • Introduction of a Primary Transit Network is expected in Fall 2024.
6:38 Correction, the 302 currently terminates at South Health Campus, NOT douglas glen. Otherwise good video! I'm a transit fan myself and like to keep up with the changes and new routee.
Route 305 has been cancelled for the second(!) and final time as of September 2023. It was introduced in December 2008 as the second 300-series “BRT” route (only predated by route 301, which was introduced in August 2004) and attempted to copy the 301’s successful formula of providing fast service to complement an established mainline route (in this case the 1 Bowness-Forest Lawn). However, the 305 ran into a few issues: due to traffic congestion it was rarely any faster than the 1, due to scheduling issues it always ended up arriving at stops in Bowness after the 1 had already departed (and the aforementioned speed issues meant Bowness residents had no incentive to take the 305 over the 1), and Calgary Transit faced a number of budget issues in the early-mid 2010’s that eventually led to 305 service being confined to weekday rush hour only in 2012. From there the 305 gradually slid into irrelevance, and when the MAX Purple took over its eastern half on 17 Avenue SE in 2018 it was basically a dead route walking. During the pandemic it was temporarily cancelled alongside the suburban express routes, resurrected after a short time with a modest 3 round trips per each rush hour, and finally put out of its misery this fall. It’s truly the most pathetic excuse for a BRT route I’ve ever heard of, and my hope is that Calgary Transit learns something from that experience the next time they consider rapid transit to Bowness.
anything brt in calgary is kind of just not. you can take any other bus in calgary and you will wait the same amount of time, the service will be about the same, sometimes you'll get the longer buses on the max, but i've also gotten just standard buses. it's really just infrastructure and not much else.
Very surreal to see bus routes and locations that I use and visit almost every day in a YT video haha. To clarify some points from the video: Yes the 300 leaving from either of the two airport stops charges a fare of $11.25, but from any other stop on the route including arriving at the airport it is a regular fare. Kinda dumb, but that 11.25 ticket also gives you a day pass across the network, so kind of a plus? Across these two videos, I am very surprised by how many old buses you rode on! The only XD40 you were on was that 300, and the only CNG Nova was that last 301, I can assure you that the majority of trips I have made are usually on a much newer bus lol. Also those seats on the articulated joint of that 302 are only on the oldest models of artics, in the newer ones they simply have hand rails. But, they are actually not that bumpy and quite nice to sit on. When you mentioned the road getting small, then bigger again on the 301, that is because the residents living along centre street there opposed the road being extended and made wider for cars to go through as the city grew north in the 80's, so instead there is just one of Calgary's many bus traps that only allows transit and emergency vehicles through. Cars need to take a significant detour, but many try and make it through the bus trap and inevitably get stuck, blocking the way. This is despite the many HUGE signs saying do not enter lol. Articulated buses are much more common on the 301 than 40-foots, but during off-peak times or weekends 40-foots are then the majority. The 301 also has some amazing frequency on weekdays of at least every 12 minutes, going up to every 4-5 minutes during rush hour, which is handy. Thank you for covering the (flawed) but overall pretty good transit in our city!
The Green line will unfortunately be very poor. LRVs are very unreliable as a regional system as seen in Ottawa (same contractor being used to build Calgary’s system). Also, because it is an LRV it will be less grade separated than our current system and very slow. It would have been better to start with the North Section and loop it with the blue line at the airport. Right now because they are using two different technologies, there will be a people mover so you’ll have to make an extra connection to the airport. An automated system like the SkyTrain would also have been better.
I don't know who the hell thought it would be a good idea to use a glorified tram for what's essentially a major metro line spanning the city. I hope the rail is at least standard gauge so the city doesn't need to tear up the whole track eventually. I used a line like that in Nice and while it was well-done, it was always crowded and the wheels occupying parts of the cabin made it a pain with such large crowds. Especially with suitcases! Important for what will eventually become an airport line
I sometimes use the 300. I have a regular monthly bus pass which is accepted by drivers. I separate the Max buses from the 300 series buses which I call express buses.
I look forward to Calgary extending the Red Line of the C-Train to YYC itself, so you can hop on light rail directly there instead of taking a bus to the nearest LRT station.
That is actually a part of the Green Line! While not going straight to the airport, there will be an Airport Link line between Centre Street and McKnight-Westwind (?) LRT Station! But the project I'm more looking forward to is the rail connection to Banff!
Not that I’m against expanding the system but Calgary would have also done better to improve our current system rather than building a new line if you had to choose between the two. Creating a downtown tunnel, increasing grade separation, improving signaling, frequency, and safety would do way more for the system than the poorly planned future Green Line LRV.
A quick correction: The design guidelines for the current MAX BRT Lines were included in both the RouteAhead document in 2012 and the Accessible Design Standards published in 2016. I have included them both in the bio for your reference. Also, the original Transit Friendly Design guide was from 1995 and last updated in 2006. Those guidelines mainly target the 300s bus lines - I assume.
RIP green line…😢
Thanks for sharing, I've learned quite a bit about Calgary's transit through these videos. I have only ridden rail there a couple times several years ago and was actually impressed given the stereotypes of Alberta.
I even have a friend who moved to Calgary BECAUSE OF the CTrain 🤣 We’re doing okay. Lots of room to improve… But we’re getting there!
And the network is changing, although slowly! Meanwhile, Edmonton Transit is running their Valley Line SW tomorrow!
5:35 So! It used to have a separate fare if you were traveling from the airport. But last I checked, it’s just a regular ticket now.
Ah I see! I asked the driver that day if I have to pay extra. He asked where I was going to and I said "Beddington Trail." Then he just shooked his head saying No you don't!
8:50 Thankfully, the city is planning on making Anderson station a lot more transit oriented at the stations and the nearby mall. This is alos the case with Brentwood, Westbrook, Chinook, and possibly Rundle.
I’m very optimistic about it!
This is great to hear! I'm excited to see these plans approved and implemented!
5:13 XD40’s 8301-8308 are fitted with luggage racks specifically for use on the 300, and have been since 2018. Previously that role was fulfilled by 2011-12 Novas 8176-8183, which also had luggage racks that have since been removed.
Are those Novas still in operation for other routes?
@@morethantransitt yep, currently they run out of Stoney Garage
8:14 Thanks for the shoutout 🙏 ♥️
Thanks for your videos! A few observations to share:
• Summer tends to be a lighter season for Calgary Transit ridership, with more users geared to destinations/events - Stampede, CFL football, some festivals, Bowness Park on weekends. You'll even see riders use buses as a multi-modal option when going upstream before/after recreational floating down the Bow River. (They bring their deflated rafts on the bus!)
• The airport bus no longer charges a special rate at YYC. It now accepts a standard fare there.
• Max Orange continues to blossom, with the introduction of high-frequency daytime service on weekdays in Fall 2023, with a respectable 20-minute service in the evening.
• Introduction of a Primary Transit Network is expected in Fall 2024.
I'd be excited about the Primary Transit Network!
6:38 Correction, the 302 currently terminates at South Health Campus, NOT douglas glen. Otherwise good video! I'm a transit fan myself and like to keep up with the changes and new routee.
Ooops I got it mixed up with the Max Teal! Thanks!
Route 305 has been cancelled for the second(!) and final time as of September 2023. It was introduced in December 2008 as the second 300-series “BRT” route (only predated by route 301, which was introduced in August 2004) and attempted to copy the 301’s successful formula of providing fast service to complement an established mainline route (in this case the 1 Bowness-Forest Lawn). However, the 305 ran into a few issues: due to traffic congestion it was rarely any faster than the 1, due to scheduling issues it always ended up arriving at stops in Bowness after the 1 had already departed (and the aforementioned speed issues meant Bowness residents had no incentive to take the 305 over the 1), and Calgary Transit faced a number of budget issues in the early-mid 2010’s that eventually led to 305 service being confined to weekday rush hour only in 2012. From there the 305 gradually slid into irrelevance, and when the MAX Purple took over its eastern half on 17 Avenue SE in 2018 it was basically a dead route walking. During the pandemic it was temporarily cancelled alongside the suburban express routes, resurrected after a short time with a modest 3 round trips per each rush hour, and finally put out of its misery this fall. It’s truly the most pathetic excuse for a BRT route I’ve ever heard of, and my hope is that Calgary Transit learns something from that experience the next time they consider rapid transit to Bowness.
Thanks for this input! Very insightful!
I think he should have included route 1 in the honourable mention list too. It’s quite frequent and effective!
anything brt in calgary is kind of just not. you can take any other bus in calgary and you will wait the same amount of time, the service will be about the same, sometimes you'll get the longer buses on the max, but i've also gotten just standard buses. it's really just infrastructure and not much else.
The headway can be improved, but I was there during the summer so I'm not sure if it is adjusted at other times of the year!
Very surreal to see bus routes and locations that I use and visit almost every day in a YT video haha. To clarify some points from the video:
Yes the 300 leaving from either of the two airport stops charges a fare of $11.25, but from any other stop on the route including arriving at the airport it is a regular fare. Kinda dumb, but that 11.25 ticket also gives you a day pass across the network, so kind of a plus?
Across these two videos, I am very surprised by how many old buses you rode on! The only XD40 you were on was that 300, and the only CNG Nova was that last 301, I can assure you that the majority of trips I have made are usually on a much newer bus lol.
Also those seats on the articulated joint of that 302 are only on the oldest models of artics, in the newer ones they simply have hand rails. But, they are actually not that bumpy and quite nice to sit on.
When you mentioned the road getting small, then bigger again on the 301, that is because the residents living along centre street there opposed the road being extended and made wider for cars to go through as the city grew north in the 80's, so instead there is just one of Calgary's many bus traps that only allows transit and emergency vehicles through. Cars need to take a significant detour, but many try and make it through the bus trap and inevitably get stuck, blocking the way. This is despite the many HUGE signs saying do not enter lol.
Articulated buses are much more common on the 301 than 40-foots, but during off-peak times or weekends 40-foots are then the majority. The 301 also has some amazing frequency on weekdays of at least every 12 minutes, going up to every 4-5 minutes during rush hour, which is handy.
Thank you for covering the (flawed) but overall pretty good transit in our city!
Thanks for these info! Very insightful!
The Green line will unfortunately be very poor. LRVs are very unreliable as a regional system as seen in Ottawa (same contractor being used to build Calgary’s system). Also, because it is an LRV it will be less grade separated than our current system and very slow.
It would have been better to start with the North Section and loop it with the blue line at the airport. Right now because they are using two different technologies, there will be a people mover so you’ll have to make an extra connection to the airport. An automated system like the SkyTrain would also have been better.
I don't know who the hell thought it would be a good idea to use a glorified tram for what's essentially a major metro line spanning the city. I hope the rail is at least standard gauge so the city doesn't need to tear up the whole track eventually. I used a line like that in Nice and while it was well-done, it was always crowded and the wheels occupying parts of the cabin made it a pain with such large crowds. Especially with suitcases! Important for what will eventually become an airport line
I sometimes use the 300. I have a regular monthly bus pass which is accepted by drivers.
I separate the Max buses from the 300 series buses which I call express buses.
Yep, they are only express but not that rapid in my opinion!
I look forward to Calgary extending the Red Line of the C-Train to YYC itself, so you can hop on light rail directly there instead of taking a bus to the nearest LRT station.
That is actually a part of the Green Line! While not going straight to the airport, there will be an Airport Link line between Centre Street and McKnight-Westwind (?) LRT Station! But the project I'm more looking forward to is the rail connection to Banff!
You should apply for a job with Calgary Tourism.
Not that I’m against expanding the system but Calgary would have also done better to improve our current system rather than building a new line if you had to choose between the two.
Creating a downtown tunnel, increasing grade separation, improving signaling, frequency, and safety would do way more for the system than the poorly planned future Green Line LRV.
Also creating more TODs and adding faregates.