I am from BMX, skateboard, MTB, folding bike and now RB. I assemble my first rb and its hydraulic disc. Personally, disc brake is not a problem, looks good and I like the stopping power. No hate towards rim brake. When you assemble your own bike and ride it, feels so good!
For that hard-to-get-to seat post wedge bolt, use a hex bit with ball end. I had to get a whole set of them because those designers at SwissStop chose to make their version of replacement brake pads for Shimano Dura-Ace/Ultegra with extra bulky cooling fins. If you don't have a hex bit with ball end, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get to one of the bolts on the front brake calipers because the massive cooling fins are in the way.
I've tightened this wedge clamp with a regular bit socket just fine and a ball-end shouldn't be used for torquing fasteners. I've worked on the front brake's mounting bolts without a ball-end just fine.
Mtb rider: we need to tweak the suspension, pressure setting, disc optimal size, maybe use a tyre cush core. Gosh so many fun things to play with can’t wait to start Roadie: omg its squealing. it’s such a pain to keep a single rotor clean. 😫😫😫
@@babyrabies LOL. I'm coming from mtb to roadie. And from my experience I think there is a difference in consumers for each discipline. Mtbers have to learn to do their own maintenance or face mass expense going to the bike shop! Road bikes require less maintenance and bike checking. Alot of people don't understand the amount of safety check you have to do before riding up in the mountains and doing ramps or jumps. Road bikes it's just brakes,fork check and wheels check.
@@babyrabies Coming from BMX, skateboard, MTB and now roadie, yes I agree with you, most roadies are whiny spoilt bunch! They just like to ride expensive bike and look down to cheap bike and whining all day long. My first roadbike, I buy parts by parts and assemble it by myself (rb disc brake). Such a good feeling and satisfaction when we can assemble our own bike and ride it.
At least he’s got the balls to come out and show the internet trolls his face and his opinions instead of hiding behind an anonymous account 😂 MFs like you are why the cycling community is toxic
You boys need to buy a Bondus ( rounded head) Allen wrench, which allow angled engagement. I agree with the pain of contamination of discs and pads. Nothing worse than announcing your arrival at the traffic lights with the screech of discs🙄
@@sbsb4995 It never fails. Each time the conversation turns to disc brakes, one can expect comment similar to this from you. Sorry to have to say this but you're really a one-trick pony.
@@changrenyong7616 and you are a sheep. Don't follow without thinking. You fell into the marketing scam because you follow like sheep. I said that I said because people need to know. Will that change? Will people wake up, probably not, but, I need to say the facts. And hopefully, the few smart one out there will understand.
@@anderscheah6981 buy an EZY Out bolt extraction tool. If you are mechanically handy you can remove it. Or as others say, take it to your LBS and pay the tax!
Rim brakes or disc brakes each have it's pros and cons. Nothing is perfect now. It's all individual's choice. So what's next ? Hub brakes via wireless setup ?
@@OompaLoompaCycling lol, you should give those that using OSPW a break. Some of the pro teams are also using them. It might have some advantages that we never know or get to experience as we are not racing. FYI, I does not have a OSPW. 😉😊
@@bentan6218 dude those pro guys using them OSPW is just for marketing their sponsors! Do you really think they care lol. They have to have it simply from the people paying them. Puppets on strings
@@OompaLoompaCycling Yup, I responded to your comment with one with an external link (instagram). It was deleted almost immediately after I hit "reply".
@@OompaLoompaCycling There's a setting for channel: settings --> Community. And under the "Automated Filters" tab, there is a check box for "Block Links". If it's enabled, new comments with hashtags and URLs are held for review.
Explain to us how a heavy rider causes brake rub? I’ve seen 110kg riders on 49cm frames with perfectly good brakes because instead of pulling facts out of the depths of their asshole they actually get their bikes to a workshop or get proper knowledge before working on their bikes 😂
Weight is typically not the cause of disc rub, unless it happens while riding out of the saddle with the wheels being pushed from side to side. On my Venge (2019) with Enve 4.5 AR disc, I sometimes get disc rub when riding out of the saddle. On the Enve 4.5 AR disc rims, with Enve's own hub, when I push the rim from side to side, I can actually see the rotor moving slightly from side to side as well. Just in case you are wondering if the thru-axle was properly torqued, it was. I have my thru-axle torqued to 12Nm. Specialized actually recommends 15 Nm but because I want to be able to use the multi-tool I carry with me during my ride to remove the thru-axle, just in case I need to put a tube in the tubeless tires for a puncture that the sealant can't fix. But really, the main cause of disc rub with Shimano road groupset (Dura-Ace and Ultegra) is insufficient pad clearance. That tiny amount of pad clearance does not take into consideration that disc rotor will eventually go out of true, brake pistons that do not retract sufficiently after being heated, and the flex in the hub (when riding out of the saddle). I think the bulk of the time I spend on disc maintenance is trying to eliminate disc rub. And sadly, more often than not, unsuccessfully.
@@co0kiesncr3am70 I don't think you understand how carbon fiber layout in a bicycle works. No one rides a bicycle in a manner that would cause compressive stress on the frame, as the one you described by squeezing the frame.
Disc bikes are hell lot of safer with immediate response and modulates better than rims. If you have contaminated pads or rotors , there are ways to clean it. Disk rubs can be solved by resetting and lubing the pistons. To me the pro in safety outweight the weight and maintenance required.
I agree. To me, the all-weather braking performance (I once did a road race in my Tarmac SL5 with a set of Enve 6.7. Let's just say I probably needed a new pair of bibs after pulling the brake levers and the bike didn't slow down for what appeared to be an eternity when we hit a patch of wet road) and much better modulation more than make up for the more tedious maintenance effort needed. With rim brakes, you are essentially slowly wearing out the brake tracks on the rims each time the brakes are engaged. There's a criterium-like race series in Seattle that typically happens everything Thursday from April through September. The race course shapes like a kidney and after a short climb, there's a hairpin turn that sometimes people take by going more than 20 MPH. One year, one of my teammates took that corner at over 20MPH and then his front wheel taco'd. Essentially, because the brake track on his alloy rim had become so worn, it lost its structural integrity and collapsed. Incredibly, he stayed upright and avoided a crash.
@@changrenyong7616 yes you are right. If a rider for example has a 8km or 10km downhill where speed can easily reach 50kmh with severe turns, even in dry the brake gives way. Once it reach extreme heat, the brake track warps ( if you are on full carbon wheels). To overcome this, you alternate tap front and rear brakes but at some speed it's just too dangerous. Worst that can happen on a disk base wheelset is the rotors get burnt or the pad gets burnt. Way cheaper to replace than a whole wheelset
In my opinion, discs DON’T provide better modulation, just more power from hydraulic advantage. The difference between a little braking power and a lot is not a lot of lever force or travel. This lighter action is what inspires confidence in discs. With rim brakes, the harder you pull, the more force applied, so it’s harder to overpower the grip between the tyre and the road. In a panic, it’s easier to lock discs, which means loss of traction. I ride both, and discs are more finicky to maintain, no doubt. I have strong hands so braking on carbon rim brakes in the wet isn’t that bad, I just read the road situation with a bit more awareness.
discs do not give better braking power. Braking power is still dictated by your tyres- you can only brake so far as your tyres do not wash out on the road- and disc and rim brakes are using the same tyres. you can easily E brake and endo on a rim brake bike. Modulation - slightly yes. but rim brakes have enough modulation for people to do tricks on, so this is really a non issue. discs brakes will 'clear' water over the brake surface faster due to higher pressure at the brake surface, but there is a simple solution to this - if you ride in the rain, dont ride carbon wheels. Ride something like a Mavic cosmic exalith.
@@davidngqkalone88 All things being equal - bikes equipped with the same tires - it's not even debatable that disc brakes have consistently better braking performance than rim brakes under all weather conditions. Sometimes, you don't get to decide if you want to ride in the rain or not. Like the bike race I described in another comment, I wasn't expecting rain to occur in the middle of the race but it did occur and I can tell you it was horrifying to squeeze the brake levers and the bike did not slow down until water had been cleared from the brake track on my Enve 6.7 rims. After that experience, I told myself I would never race my Tarmac SL5 (rim brakes) with carbon rims in the rain again. Another experience I had was descending Stevens Canyon during the 2015 RAMROD (it's a 150-mile ride around Mount Rainier with 10,000 ft of climb). That twisty 12-mile descent, a lot of times, you can go faster than vehicles because of the many hairpin turns. However, there was a couple of slow cyclists holding up a few other vehicles. I was stuck behind the cars while descending. I must have descended three quarters of the way down while holding on to the brakes. My hands were quite sore from holding on to the brakes 😆. I was so worried that the heat - it was also a very warm day - would destroy the Zipp 202 carbon rims I had on the same Tarmac as I heard horror stories of carbon rims being damaged/destroyed due to high heat. Fortunately, both the Zipp 202 and I survived that descent. If I had been on a disc bike, I wouldn't have to worry a thing about it.
Those handsome look questions, along with the timely slo-mo editing and Careless Whisper playing, cracked me up!
I am from BMX, skateboard, MTB, folding bike and now RB. I assemble my first rb and its hydraulic disc. Personally, disc brake is not a problem, looks good and I like the stopping power. No hate towards rim brake.
When you assemble your own bike and ride it, feels so good!
Long Live RIM BRAKES
yeah my bike is still rim brakes now ,nowadays sometimes riding it on the road feels like a cheating or an a illegal roadbike
Nah no good in wet weather 🫢
For that hard-to-get-to seat post wedge bolt, use a hex bit with ball end. I had to get a whole set of them because those designers at SwissStop chose to make their version of replacement brake pads for Shimano Dura-Ace/Ultegra with extra bulky cooling fins. If you don't have a hex bit with ball end, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get to one of the bolts on the front brake calipers because the massive cooling fins are in the way.
I've tightened this wedge clamp with a regular bit socket just fine and a ball-end shouldn't be used for torquing fasteners. I've worked on the front brake's mounting bolts without a ball-end just fine.
Mtb rider: we need to tweak the suspension, pressure setting, disc optimal size, maybe use a tyre cush core. Gosh so many fun things to play with can’t wait to start
Roadie: omg its squealing. it’s such a pain to keep a single rotor clean. 😫😫😫
coming from mtb, i can attest most roadies are a whiny spoilt bunch with all the gears no ideas. flame on!
@@babyrabies LOL. I'm coming from mtb to roadie. And from my experience I think there is a difference in consumers for each discipline.
Mtbers have to learn to do their own maintenance or face mass expense going to the bike shop! Road bikes require less maintenance and bike checking. Alot of people don't understand the amount of safety check you have to do before riding up in the mountains and doing ramps or jumps. Road bikes it's just brakes,fork check and wheels check.
@@babyrabies Coming from BMX, skateboard, MTB and now roadie, yes I agree with you, most roadies are whiny spoilt bunch! They just like to ride expensive bike and look down to cheap bike and whining all day long.
My first roadbike, I buy parts by parts and assemble it by myself (rb disc brake). Such a good feeling and satisfaction when we can assemble our own bike and ride it.
Road cyclists “I love rim brakes I’m a traditionalist “ also roadies “I only use electronic shifting….”
"DISC BRAKES ARE A PAIN"
YES
Amazing clip as always!
This boy does not know about bicycles because he talked to the wrong people.
At least he’s got the balls to come out and show the internet trolls his face and his opinions instead of hiding behind an anonymous account 😂 MFs like you are why the cycling community is toxic
Let the guy ride what he wants instead of making your own life pathetic
Really nice green Colour
You boys need to buy a Bondus ( rounded head) Allen wrench, which allow angled engagement.
I agree with the pain of contamination of discs and pads. Nothing worse than announcing your arrival at the traffic lights with the screech of discs🙄
Thanks for the suggestion!
Disc brakes ruined the look, the weight and the aerodynamic of the bicycles.
@@sbsb4995 It never fails. Each time the conversation turns to disc brakes, one can expect comment similar to this from you. Sorry to have to say this but you're really a one-trick pony.
@@changrenyong7616 and you are a sheep. Don't follow without thinking. You fell into the marketing scam because you follow like sheep. I said that I said because people need to know. Will that change? Will people wake up, probably not, but, I need to say the facts. And hopefully, the few smart one out there will understand.
Or get an affordable ratchet wrench….saved me from many a potential stripped sockets
54 looks like the perfect size for him.
Bolt at Malaysia last month I buy only rm1 for 4pcs... My issue seat post settle
Cool and funny guy 😁👌🏻❤️
hi this is mr rio
mr rio u suck
Hello mr rio
Hello mr rio
my stem bolt is rounded and I wanna change my stem, any ideas on how I can take the bolt out?
Could try one of those rounded bolt extraction bits, or worst case just drill it out LOL
Send it to your LBS to remove it. If the problem can be solved paying your LBS, it is the easiest problem ever.
@@anderscheah6981 buy an EZY Out bolt extraction tool. If you are mechanically handy you can remove it. Or as others say, take it to your LBS and pay the tax!
@@patrickparisienne1917 thanks all
Rims are more expensive in the long run. You need to throw away your rims once the rim brake lines are worn. And carbon rim brake pads are not cheap.
Rotors wear much, much faster than carbon rims. The cost over the life time is the same.
The brake pads for dis also wear faster then a rim brake pads.
@@davidngqkalone88 Depends on the pads you are using. If you use solely Shimano’s resin pads, the rotors practically goes on and on and on.
hello this is anders
Bike looks great. Nice color and looks damn aggressive
Rim brakes or disc brakes each have it's pros and cons. Nothing is perfect now. It's all individual's choice. So what's next ? Hub brakes via wireless setup ?
3D printed XXL gold plated OSPW and square chainrings to reduce dead spots
@@OompaLoompaCycling lol🤣
@@OompaLoompaCycling lol, you should give those that using OSPW a break. Some of the pro teams are also using them. It might have some advantages that we never know or get to experience as we are not racing.
FYI, I does not have a OSPW. 😉😊
@@bentan6218 dude those pro guys using them OSPW is just for marketing their sponsors! Do you really think they care lol. They have to have it simply from the people paying them. Puppets on strings
@@bentan6218 just for laughs
I think the rider quite handsome.
What carpark is this?
Singapore carpark
@@OompaLoompaCycling i mean where is this carpark at?
What are my comments with external links being deleted?
No idea man. Didn’t see any of your comments with links. Try again?
@@OompaLoompaCycling Yup, I responded to your comment with one with an external link (instagram). It was deleted almost immediately after I hit "reply".
@@OompaLoompaCycling There's a setting for channel: settings --> Community. And under the "Automated Filters" tab, there is a check box for "Block Links". If it's enabled, new comments with hashtags and URLs are held for review.
@@changrenyong7616 ah ok. Let me check it out later. Thanks!
Rim brake still better than disc
you lost me. if you are XS /S in Giant TCR then you should be 49 or 52 in spesh
Specialized 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
The reason why the disks rubbing that bike is the owner. That kid need to cut his weight you're bending that frame to much
Explain to us how a heavy rider causes brake rub? I’ve seen 110kg riders on 49cm frames with perfectly good brakes because instead of pulling facts out of the depths of their asshole they actually get their bikes to a workshop or get proper knowledge before working on their bikes 😂
Weight is typically not the cause of disc rub, unless it happens while riding out of the saddle with the wheels being pushed from side to side. On my Venge (2019) with Enve 4.5 AR disc, I sometimes get disc rub when riding out of the saddle. On the Enve 4.5 AR disc rims, with Enve's own hub, when I push the rim from side to side, I can actually see the rotor moving slightly from side to side as well. Just in case you are wondering if the thru-axle was properly torqued, it was. I have my thru-axle torqued to 12Nm. Specialized actually recommends 15 Nm but because I want to be able to use the multi-tool I carry with me during my ride to remove the thru-axle, just in case I need to put a tube in the tubeless tires for a puncture that the sealant can't fix.
But really, the main cause of disc rub with Shimano road groupset (Dura-Ace and Ultegra) is insufficient pad clearance. That tiny amount of pad clearance does not take into consideration that disc rotor will eventually go out of true, brake pistons that do not retract sufficiently after being heated, and the flex in the hub (when riding out of the saddle). I think the bulk of the time I spend on disc maintenance is trying to eliminate disc rub. And sadly, more often than not, unsuccessfully.
lol! funny but true
Its simple carbon is flexible and when a rider is heavy it's flexing use commonsense. You can squeeze the frame with your finger using force
@@co0kiesncr3am70 I don't think you understand how carbon fiber layout in a bicycle works. No one rides a bicycle in a manner that would cause compressive stress on the frame, as the one you described by squeezing the frame.
Disc bikes are hell lot of safer with immediate response and modulates better than rims. If you have contaminated pads or rotors , there are ways to clean it. Disk rubs can be solved by resetting and lubing the pistons.
To me the pro in safety outweight the weight and maintenance required.
I agree. To me, the all-weather braking performance (I once did a road race in my Tarmac SL5 with a set of Enve 6.7. Let's just say I probably needed a new pair of bibs after pulling the brake levers and the bike didn't slow down for what appeared to be an eternity when we hit a patch of wet road) and much better modulation more than make up for the more tedious maintenance effort needed.
With rim brakes, you are essentially slowly wearing out the brake tracks on the rims each time the brakes are engaged. There's a criterium-like race series in Seattle that typically happens everything Thursday from April through September. The race course shapes like a kidney and after a short climb, there's a hairpin turn that sometimes people take by going more than 20 MPH. One year, one of my teammates took that corner at over 20MPH and then his front wheel taco'd. Essentially, because the brake track on his alloy rim had become so worn, it lost its structural integrity and collapsed. Incredibly, he stayed upright and avoided a crash.
@@changrenyong7616 yes you are right. If a rider for example has a 8km or 10km downhill where speed can easily reach 50kmh with severe turns, even in dry the brake gives way. Once it reach extreme heat, the brake track warps ( if you are on full carbon wheels). To overcome this, you alternate tap front and rear brakes but at some speed it's just too dangerous.
Worst that can happen on a disk base wheelset is the rotors get burnt or the pad gets burnt. Way cheaper to replace than a whole wheelset
In my opinion, discs DON’T provide better modulation, just more power from hydraulic advantage. The difference between a little braking power and a lot is not a lot of lever force or travel. This lighter action is what inspires confidence in discs.
With rim brakes, the harder you pull, the more force applied, so it’s harder to overpower the grip between the tyre and the road.
In a panic, it’s easier to lock discs, which means loss of traction.
I ride both, and discs are more finicky to maintain, no doubt. I have strong hands so braking on carbon rim brakes in the wet isn’t that bad, I just read the road situation with a bit more awareness.
discs do not give better braking power. Braking power is still dictated by your tyres- you can only brake so far as your tyres do not wash out on the road- and disc and rim brakes are using the same tyres. you can easily E brake and endo on a rim brake bike.
Modulation - slightly yes. but rim brakes have enough modulation for people to do tricks on, so this is really a non issue.
discs brakes will 'clear' water over the brake surface faster due to higher pressure at the brake surface, but there is a simple solution to this - if you ride in the rain, dont ride carbon wheels. Ride something like a Mavic cosmic exalith.
@@davidngqkalone88 All things being equal - bikes equipped with the same tires - it's not even debatable that disc brakes have consistently better braking performance than rim brakes under all weather conditions. Sometimes, you don't get to decide if you want to ride in the rain or not. Like the bike race I described in another comment, I wasn't expecting rain to occur in the middle of the race but it did occur and I can tell you it was horrifying to squeeze the brake levers and the bike did not slow down until water had been cleared from the brake track on my Enve 6.7 rims. After that experience, I told myself I would never race my Tarmac SL5 (rim brakes) with carbon rims in the rain again.
Another experience I had was descending Stevens Canyon during the 2015 RAMROD (it's a 150-mile ride around Mount Rainier with 10,000 ft of climb). That twisty 12-mile descent, a lot of times, you can go faster than vehicles because of the many hairpin turns. However, there was a couple of slow cyclists holding up a few other vehicles. I was stuck behind the cars while descending. I must have descended three quarters of the way down while holding on to the brakes. My hands were quite sore from holding on to the brakes 😆. I was so worried that the heat - it was also a very warm day - would destroy the Zipp 202 carbon rims I had on the same Tarmac as I heard horror stories of carbon rims being damaged/destroyed due to high heat. Fortunately, both the Zipp 202 and I survived that descent. If I had been on a disc bike, I wouldn't have to worry a thing about it.