Water comes in many flavors to the discerning palate. Mondstadt's water is crisp and pure, while water from Liyue has an enduring aftertaste. In Inazuma, the water possesses a depth of flavor unlike any other. Sumeru's water, meanwhile, has a rich and complex flavor profile, but it must be savored patiently to fully appreciate it.
H2O comes in many flavors to the discerning palate. Mondstadt's H2O is crisp and pure, while H2O from Liyue has an enduring aftertaste. In Inazuma, the H2O possesses a depth of flavor unlike any other. Sumeru's H2O, meanwhile, has a rich and complex flavor profile, but it must be savored patiently to fully appreciate it.
@@Ranamon9132 I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Neuvillette. I try to play Ayato. My Neuvillette deals more damage. I try to play Childe. My Neuvillette deals more damage. I want to play Raiden, Nahida- Neuvillette needs them for hyperbloom.I want to play Furina, Neuvillette maximizes her buffs. He steals my Venti for the grouping, and Zhongli for the shields, 5 archons. I spend primogems and resin pulling and building 8 characters for the abyss, he goes solo anyways. He grabs me by the throat. I farm bilets for him. I forge for him. I give him the Prototype Amber. He isn't satisfied. I pull for the widsth. "Not enough crit DMG" He tells me. "I can deal more damage with Tome." I can't pull for Tome, I don't have enough primogems, i might even lose to Homa. "I need interuption resistance" He tells me. "Pull for c1" I don't need c1, i have Zhongli anyways. He ignores me. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Bow your head." He drops his balls. "Be sanctified" Monsieur Neuvillette says as he starts levitating. There is no hint of sadness in his eyes, he blasts all over my face. Nothing but pure, draconic, hydro application. What a cruel world.
@@kainobre831 Absolutely gut-wrenching. I can’t believe this is the reality of Neuvillette mains as a Neuvillette main… 🥲 How dare he out-do my main account on an AR 21 account at level 32….???!!! How dare he do that??!!??
I thought swirling hydro is just enough? The dmg boost comes when you swirl and 4pc vv will reduce res on enemy who get swirled so swirling in burst shouldn’t be the reason right?
@@countdown_4324Anemo user needs to be on-field for VV to activate. Kazuha dmg buffs activate on-field and off-field I think So by the time you got to the DPS char in the rotation, the VV wears off while the burst keeps the dmg bonus buff up. Kazuha needs to reapply VV with his skill, or I guess be on-field for a burst swirl.
the final chamber problem is only he doesn't get the full 3 stack of neuvillette passive until the last run, he always put zhongli pillar to far away from enemy and got no crystalize, that's why he loses a lot of dmg.
They really did release such a good character even for low investment players, his artifact set is so easy to obtain, even without double crit substats he's pretty strong.
Ngl, I feel like he is too strong for this game. My C0 with prototype amber does 44k per tick with a cr circlet. Got his weapon and now he is doing 55-60 per tick, which is ridiculous, considering he will be even stronger when furina comes out lol Edit: I forgot to mention this is with a full team and not solo which should have been obvious to anyone but it wasn't apparently
in the previous runs your zhongli’s pillar was too far away to crystallise, so the time you finally got to one cycle it, it was because you used zhongli’s meteor, so you had a definitive crystallise reaction
i love how accurate they made him, since he's lore wise he's stronger than the archons. Good thing i chose to pull for him or i would've regretted it big time
@@iiKhaled0 true true, but what i like about him is that he's self sufficient- he's a powerful dps even without support, and heals himself. I fr have the most shit build on him and he still does 30k- and it took me forever to get the archons to get that much (just speaking from my experience)
u should do ult and E after and after charge att ends u will have E again , more particles, this ER what u have now would be perfectly fine. Yelan would be better , to replace mona cause u have c4 and her passive so your dmg would ramp up much higher. 1 normal attack on neuvillette + zhongli shield + mona E + kazuha Q E + mona burst and back to neuvillette would be rotation here.
Furina is suspected to rerun in 4.7 so you have plenty of time to save for her and also go for Neuvillette. If u need a dps unit I highly recommend him. Even at c0 with his 4 star prototype weapon he is pretty insane.
My C1 R0 Neuvillette is doing more damage than this. Try the following rotation: Neuvillette elemental ability Kazuha ability to apply VV and his weapon's passive Nahida ability and burst if it's available _Dehya_ ability Kazuha Burst to swirl the pyro, enemies are now permanently burned and affected by pyro Blast with Neuvillette for guaranteed vaporize every hit My charged attacks are doing between 500k and 1.1 million total damage with this rotation, depending on nahida burst being active and Neuvillette's crits.
I have a c0r1 Neuvillette. I don't have a Kazuha so I averaged at 30k per hit. But i went to Co-Op with my friend and he brought Kazuha, we killed bosses and I averaged at 72k per hit. I didn't really see the appeal of Kazuha before, but now I do. The team we used was I brought Zhongli, c0r1 Neuvillette, and my friend brought Kazuha and Benny (for heal)
i dont want kazuha for this very reason. he is the best anemo character and i like a few others too much to have them replaced by the only option. he is the best designed character yet in the game.
@@Susan-vi1jh I actually do have her at c6, but I'm embarassed to admit that I can't quite get the hang of Sucrose in my rotations. Hence, I benched her. However, I am currently integrating her on my Neuvi team, kinda need a lot of time getting used to though.
You should try Shenhe with him. I've played with someone in a co-op and I used Shenhe, their Charged Attacks reached up to 100k. Don't know if they're C6 or not
use the Skill after using Burst for longer CA and after ur done, u can Skill again, and either CA again or if u have enough ER (which you should), u can just Burst again. That's why ur ER doesnt "look good" in Solo
I won't recommend C6 neuvillette since it kind of messes up the rotation I mean he is really really good at C0 and C1 but if you really love him you can go for C3 but after that you are on your own .
i think the rotation should be like : mona E - zhongli shield - kazuha E - kazuha Q - mona Q - Neuvillette E - Neuvillette Q - Neuvillette charge atk also i would swap zhongli with childe for the talent lvl up thingy
shouldnt you start with neuvillette E because when you get back to him for the final pump he E is back up and you have 3 extra orbs to use for that little more insanity that is his damage
ik but i noticed that he only picks the newly dropped ones so if u ult and he will pick up the ones dropped by the ult and by the time they ran out those will already be gone tho @@mickysaif
you can burst then skill immediately since hes c6 no need to burst then wait for the first charged to end then use his skill you’re not using him to his full potential
If you can, I highly recommend getting c1 before the banner is over. It makes his team comps so much easier to build (you only need 3 elements instead of 4) and the charged attack stun resistance is _serious_ resistance. Holds up to almost everything.
@@gubzs I might try that if I farm myself more primos. Weapon banner drained my primos to the 0, cuz I 1 got Homa, then Jade spear AND THEN as a last one I got the book.
@@ananasplamenomet Better than my luck, I got Homa, then Skyward atlas, then Homa two more times because I forgot to press submit on the weapon pity system screen and the first one didn't give me pity. On Neuvillette's banner, I got Dehya three times, and Neuvillette twice. I wish I was kidding. I calculated the odds of my luck being this bad, and it's 0.36%, I am still fuming.
@@gubzs That would make a normie/dolphin like me go insane and my luck is nothing crazy, acording to paimon moe (most of the times hiting hard pity, sometimes soft). But Hey I was prepared to make the sacrifices. As they all say, whale responsibly. Have some self-control. As for weapins: More Homa is always good, but 2 times Dehya not so much. I honestly do not wish to get her.
Lost both 50/50's on weapon banner, I can see why having a gambling addiction is such a bad feat a genshin player can have, gonna have to pull out the wallet one more time again
Is his weapons refinements worth it? I have him and with his weapon but I got two of his weapons and I don't know if I just have one and not use it until someone can use it or refine it
Any suggestions on how to get His a1 stacks If using nahida+fischl? I mean technically i could Start the rotation with fischl e-> neuv e -> nahida e. But by doing so I lose alot of uptime on Oz during neuvs 3CA+ rotations
Pump up the jam, pump it up While your feet are stompin' And the jam is pumpin' Look ahead, the crowd is jumpin' Pump it up a little more Get the party going on the dance floor See, 'cause that's where the party's at And you'll find out if you do that
I lost the 50-50 to staff of homa three times, and then got skyward atlas, before I got his weapon x.x (yes I forgot to turn on epitome invocation for the first one)
he is... one helluva beast... PUMP IT BABY
Agree
sup xlice
hes a boss
As a Neuvillette main I will suggest this team comp (Neuvillette-kazuha-nahida-Dehya),try it and enjoy giga balls damage
@@PriestYTBro u telling this to a person who makes guides for pretty much every character??
Water comes in many flavors to the discerning palate. Mondstadt's water is crisp and pure, while water from Liyue has an enduring aftertaste. In Inazuma, the water possesses a depth of flavor unlike any other. Sumeru's water, meanwhile, has a rich and complex flavor profile, but it must be savored patiently to fully appreciate it.
H2O comes in many flavors to the discerning palate. Mondstadt's H2O is crisp and pure, while H2O from Liyue has an enduring aftertaste. In Inazuma, the H2O possesses a depth of flavor unlike any other. Sumeru's H2O, meanwhile, has a rich and complex flavor profile, but it must be savored patiently to fully appreciate it.
The amount of copy and paste for this comment is so boring. So unoriginal. Can’t come up with your own comment. -.-
@@Ranamon9132 I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Neuvillette. I try to play Ayato. My Neuvillette deals more damage. I try to play Childe. My Neuvillette deals more damage. I want to play Raiden, Nahida- Neuvillette needs them for hyperbloom.I want to play Furina, Neuvillette maximizes her buffs. He steals my Venti for the grouping, and Zhongli for the shields, 5 archons. I spend primogems and resin pulling and building 8 characters for the abyss, he goes solo anyways. He grabs me by the throat. I farm bilets for him. I forge for him. I give him the Prototype Amber. He isn't satisfied. I pull for the widsth. "Not enough crit DMG" He tells me. "I can deal more damage with Tome." I can't pull for Tome, I don't have enough primogems, i might even lose to Homa. "I need interuption resistance" He tells me. "Pull for c1" I don't need c1, i have Zhongli anyways. He ignores me. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Bow your head." He drops his balls. "Be sanctified" Monsieur Neuvillette says as he starts levitating. There is no hint of sadness in his eyes, he blasts all over my face. Nothing but pure, draconic, hydro application. What a cruel world.
👏👏👏
@@kainobre831 Absolutely gut-wrenching. I can’t believe this is the reality of Neuvillette mains as a Neuvillette main… 🥲
How dare he out-do my main account on an AR 21 account at level 32….???!!! How dare he do that??!!??
In the final chamber, Kazuha wasn't swirling hydro with his skill until the successful run. That's why he wasn't one phasing the boss.
I thought swirling hydro is just enough? The dmg boost comes when you swirl and 4pc vv will reduce res on enemy who get swirled so swirling in burst shouldn’t be the reason right?
@@countdown_4324Anemo user needs to be on-field for VV to activate. Kazuha dmg buffs activate on-field and off-field I think
So by the time you got to the DPS char in the rotation, the VV wears off while the burst keeps the dmg bonus buff up. Kazuha needs to reapply VV with his skill, or I guess be on-field for a burst swirl.
I was about to say that too @i_am_dj5238 I was yelling at the screen!!! LMAO 😂😂😂 SWIRL KAZUHA, SWIRL
KAZUHA😂😂
the final chamber problem is only he doesn't get the full 3 stack of neuvillette passive until the last run, he always put zhongli pillar to far away from enemy and got no crystalize, that's why he loses a lot of dmg.
@@kuekejuu5057YES, thought the same. Stupid whales! (Jk)
C6 greatly increases his pump stamina it's always satisfying
The level of AYO in this one phrase
Ayo???
wish he could pump me too
well he's a dragon so he better PUMP IT
@@applecider6704🤨
They really did release such a good character even for low investment players, his artifact set is so easy to obtain, even without double crit substats he's pretty strong.
Ngl, I feel like he is too strong for this game. My C0 with prototype amber does 44k per tick with a cr circlet. Got his weapon and now he is doing 55-60 per tick, which is ridiculous, considering he will be even stronger when furina comes out lol
Edit: I forgot to mention this is with a full team and not solo which should have been obvious to anyone but it wasn't apparently
@@Aglaea-hsr is this with buffs? Mine is only doing 20k raw (c1)
@@Aglaea-hsrwhattt how? What’s your stats? Mine is 40/267 (mh)lvl 9 talent r2 sig 37k hp he does 17k solo per tick (c0)
@@Aglaea-hsrstop lying lmao
@Wanderer_04 55 to 60k solo neuvillette? Are you serious hahaha xlice has c6r5 and he deals around 25k to 30k max solo
“Gonna pump him” welp…I’m watching this now before it gets taken off
C0R1 Neuvi = Blastoise
C6R5 Neuvi = Kyogre
Lore-Accurate Sovereign Dragon Gameplay indeed
C0R1= kyogre
C6R5= palkia
@@pokemonmasterfreeman1117
C0R1:kyogre
C6R5:Primal kyogre
in the previous runs your zhongli’s pillar was too far away to crystallise, so the time you finally got to one cycle it, it was because you used zhongli’s meteor, so you had a definitive crystallise reaction
i love how accurate they made him, since he's lore wise he's stronger than the archons. Good thing i chose to pull for him or i would've regretted it big time
But gameplay wise archons are better and more useful & flexible
@@iiKhaled0 true true, but what i like about him is that he's self sufficient- he's a powerful dps even without support, and heals himself. I fr have the most shit build on him and he still does 30k- and it took me forever to get the archons to get that much (just speaking from my experience)
u should do ult and E after and after charge att ends u will have E again , more particles, this ER what u have now would be perfectly fine. Yelan would be better , to replace mona cause u have c4 and her passive so your dmg would ramp up much higher. 1 normal attack on neuvillette + zhongli shield + mona E + kazuha Q E + mona burst and back to neuvillette would be rotation here.
This is what physical damage dealers were supposed to be
in a game focusing on elements? no
Eula
There is an instance at 7:38 -7:39 where he did 69520 on his E. WE WERE SO CLOSE TO THE 69420
I have done the funny number at C0 hehehehe
hahaha 69420 funny number
Love my Neuvillete c1r1 saving for his c3 on rerun
I'm considering getting him on his rerun. I found his gameplay fun and powerful, however it's best to get Furina first since she'll be a support.
W PFP
Furina is suspected to rerun in 4.7 so you have plenty of time to save for her and also go for Neuvillette. If u need a dps unit I highly recommend him. Even at c0 with his 4 star prototype weapon he is pretty insane.
0:56 that’s how you know he took forever on this vid 😭
He is not broken, he is just canonically one of the most strongest creatures in Teyvat 😅 especially after 4.2
u should test him on the new 7m hp semi-boss
Isn’t it immune to hydro?
no theres another one shes the new fatui agent
@@patricialock1862
@@patricialock1862there's two different ones in the new areas of fontaine that aren't immune
@@jellyfishing oh thanks for letting me know!
Thank you Mr.Lice, I very much enjoyed the video and the inclusion of Mona. Take care.
i mean when you spend that much money on a game you’d better hope they’re broken. 💀
My C1 R0 Neuvillette is doing more damage than this.
Try the following rotation:
Neuvillette elemental ability
Kazuha ability to apply VV and his weapon's passive
Nahida ability and burst if it's available
_Dehya_ ability
Kazuha Burst to swirl the pyro, enemies are now permanently burned and affected by pyro
Blast with Neuvillette for guaranteed vaporize every hit
My charged attacks are doing between 500k and 1.1 million total damage with this rotation, depending on nahida burst being active and Neuvillette's crits.
Same dude,only thing is i use xhangling instead of dehya
Who asked
It’s crazy that my c3 r1 does 34k ticks without anything. Not even talent stacks. With talent stacks does 53k and no other buffs
@@rixyz7013c6 and c3 have no damage difference
he's not broken he's lore accurate
I have a c0r1 Neuvillette. I don't have a Kazuha so I averaged at 30k per hit. But i went to Co-Op with my friend and he brought Kazuha, we killed bosses and I averaged at 72k per hit. I didn't really see the appeal of Kazuha before, but now I do. The team we used was I brought Zhongli, c0r1 Neuvillette, and my friend brought Kazuha and Benny (for heal)
i dont want kazuha for this very reason. he is the best anemo character and i like a few others too much to have them replaced by the only option. he is the best designed character yet in the game.
C6 Sucrose is good Kazuha replacement if you have her
@@Susan-vi1jh I actually do have her at c6, but I'm embarassed to admit that I can't quite get the hang of Sucrose in my rotations. Hence, I benched her. However, I am currently integrating her on my Neuvi team, kinda need a lot of time getting used to though.
@@Percy.13 lmao same. I don't quite vibe with her as well. So i desperately wished for Kazuha. She's too clunky to me. Goodluck building her!
30k with full team and talent stacks maybe. It’s not possible if you don’t have c3 r1 solo
You should try Shenhe with him. I've played with someone in a co-op and I used Shenhe, their Charged Attacks reached up to 100k. Don't know if they're C6 or not
man i wish i could c6 r5 him, he deserves it xD
His ult would've been charged if you would just skill after ult lmaoo
As always fun to watch
use the Skill after using Burst for longer CA and after ur done, u can Skill again, and either CA again or if u have enough ER (which you should), u can just Burst again. That's why ur ER doesnt "look good" in Solo
I won't recommend C6 neuvillette since it kind of messes up the rotation I mean he is really really good at C0 and C1 but if you really love him you can go for C3 but after that you are on your own .
i was expecting you were not recommending c6 cause it will make everything too easy but messing up the rotation definitely made me giggle.
@@Arthera0 it will make everything easy is also one of the reasons why I am not recommending C6.👍 pulse it's also expensive.
C1 is more than good enough for all content in the entire game. C2 only if you're super lazy and don't want to farm good artifacts.
now that's a sovereign dragon.
Neuvillette be pumping hard no cap 😂😂
He used his pump after 500 years
You weren’t swirling hydro until u did the rotation correctly
How broken do u want Neuvi to be ? Mihorny: YES.
In a Minute imma need a neuvillette to pump m-
i think the rotation should be like : mona E - zhongli shield - kazuha E - kazuha Q - mona Q - Neuvillette E - Neuvillette Q - Neuvillette charge atk also i would swap zhongli with childe for the talent lvl up thingy
shouldnt you start with neuvillette E because when you get back to him for the final pump he E is back up and you have 3 extra orbs to use for that little more insanity that is his damage
by the time ur E is back those orbs i think will be gone
@@Arthera0
@@abdraouf5443orbs have 15 sec duration, it's always better to start the rotation with E
@@abdraouf5443no, they actually last quite a while, so if you start with them you can have enough time to suck some of his balls.
ik but i noticed that he only picks the newly dropped ones so if u ult and he will pick up the ones dropped by the ult and by the time they ran out those will already be gone tho
@@mickysaif
3:55 Neuvillette pumping another mans wife right in front of him.
are those trident like floating symbols from his signature weapon?
you can burst then skill immediately since hes c6 no need to burst then wait for the first charged to end then use his skill you’re not using him to his full potential
Hell yes. MORE FLEX. I am happy for you tho. Even at C0, R1 he can do wonders.
If you can, I highly recommend getting c1 before the banner is over. It makes his team comps so much easier to build (you only need 3 elements instead of 4) and the charged attack stun resistance is _serious_ resistance. Holds up to almost everything.
@@gubzs I might try that if I farm myself more primos. Weapon banner drained my primos to the 0, cuz I 1 got Homa, then Jade spear AND THEN as a last one I got the book.
@@ananasplamenomet Better than my luck, I got Homa, then Skyward atlas, then Homa two more times because I forgot to press submit on the weapon pity system screen and the first one didn't give me pity.
On Neuvillette's banner, I got Dehya three times, and Neuvillette twice. I wish I was kidding.
I calculated the odds of my luck being this bad, and it's 0.36%, I am still fuming.
@@gubzs That would make a normie/dolphin like me go insane and my luck is nothing crazy, acording to paimon moe (most of the times hiting hard pity, sometimes soft). But Hey I was prepared to make the sacrifices. As they all say, whale responsibly. Have some self-control. As for weapins: More Homa is always good, but 2 times Dehya not so much. I honestly do not wish to get her.
“i hope you enjoyed the one pump man” - Xlice 😦😶
you should have tried neuvilette with hydro MC for more hydro balls thingy = longer pump I think
Takes way too long for droplets to appear and hmc does like no damage so no point
Buddies c6r5 being weaker than my c0 r1 is a mystery to this day
Lost both 50/50's on weapon banner, I can see why having a gambling addiction is such a bad feat a genshin player can have, gonna have to pull out the wallet one more time again
it's not about insufficient ER, you just didn't use his skill before using ult. -_-
idk how but i managed to solo abyss with a c0 prototype amber neuvillette,it was not a 9 star run tho
Imagine C6 Nuve, C3 Ei, C2 Nhahida and Có/2 Furina. I don’t think this is legal.
Thats some Armageddon team 😢
bro's an actual death laser
Anyone else notice the 90k dmg at 7:41?
bro talking about his energy issue whille running solo but refuse to use his skill when it's ready 💀
I need my Klee rework like this
You should take childe with you when you showcase as it increases your normal attack! Just don't swap to childe!
Im a new player started three days ago and I dont really know whats going on. Should I pull for this character because he is so powerful?
Pov he did not do crystilize hydro to get max dmg
So you’re telling me a C6 R5 character is broken? Wtf 😮 nooo wayyy
Is his weapons refinements worth it? I have him and with his weapon but I got two of his weapons and I don't know if I just have one and not use it until someone can use it or refine it
I would love to have Neuvillette C6
15% hydro buff from c3 Barbara helps?
Any suggestions on how to get His a1 stacks If using nahida+fischl? I mean technically i could Start the rotation with fischl e-> neuv e -> nahida e. But by doing so I lose alot of uptime on Oz during neuvs 3CA+ rotations
What's a light cone?
Love the taco bell sound on his burst
Pump up the jam, pump it up
While your feet are stompin'
And the jam is pumpin'
Look ahead, the crowd is jumpin'
Pump it up a little more
Get the party going on the dance floor
See, 'cause that's where the party's at
And you'll find out if you do that
Why does he have lunchbox in spiral abyss
you dont have to dodge in his c6 for the first and second chamber for goodness sake. you just have to basically stand.
How bout Zhongli with Petra ?
bang sniper bagus gak sekarang?
Bro drowning them Rift wolves 😮
you need farm his talents and change the crit rate by crit dmg
Finally the comments aren't full of comparison between yelan and him
Neuvillette: Hear me now and believe me later, I'm going to pump "Clap" you up.
It turns out he is another cousin of Hans and Franz
And remember guys, swirl you Kazooha E okayge
Why is xlice so allergic to doing Neuv E at the start. or E into Q
I do not have enough money to c6 him but brooo i want this so badly
The set is giving crit rate , why don't you use hydro set .
Surely you have better stats
Mr streamer is very lucky people aren't, as far as I know, thirsty for him because his phrasing would have made the comments interesting
Wow c6r5 *insert 5 star character (except dehya) * is so broken
I just love how most youtubers want to be relatabel and xlice is just like f them i want c6
Jingliu coming up tomorrow can u pull for me pls
Is crit damage circlet normal with 18.3% crit rate
Not normal, thats a great circlet
bro wants to pump a dragon
like mj doctor, they killing me
C6R5 and then:
Mine won't do much damage.
dang what happened to xlice he used to be a lil keqing png
did he have petra on zhongli
u should use elemental skill before ult
you dont need ER with C6 Neuvilette, only get used to do hydro pumps with and without balls
I'm pretty sure the last boss didn't get cristalised in previous attempts...
Bro u need neuv hydro crystallize from zhongliiiii this is why the char is c6 but the brain c-1
OMG WHERE'S YR KAZUHA E 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭MR SKILLISSUESSS
1 man Squirtle Squad.
i kind of miss the progressive increase of each constellation
Its should be E neuvillete. Then swirl kazuha. Then E dan Q mona. Then Q neuvillete.
26M?
I wish i had his weapon. It’s so pretty and powerful?!
I lost the 50-50 to staff of homa three times, and then got skyward atlas, before I got his weapon x.x
(yes I forgot to turn on epitome invocation for the first one)
Dear Xlice, that "how long can you pump" is kinda sus.
ok show us your build
Whales are really awesome
Bros Minos Prime at this point…
bro u shud use r5 freedom sworn ..u can make 100k per tick
ULT AND E THEN HE WONT NEED RECHARGE
Sadly I don't have his weapon
he's not broken he's lore accurate
That’s the only proper way of looking at it.
He’s light novel accurate
I’ve never actually thought of that
when will Dehya be lore accurate too? :(
@@San-cb9mjis she that bad? :(