I have been touched by watching Hank and John in this podcast. If you pay attention, they are diligently taking notes as Dr. Ball is speaking. In some instances, they are scrambling to write fast enough. What an important "between the lines" lesson from this podcast. We are never done learning! Feasting on the word of God is a lifelong endeavor.
I am always in awe that the guest is our main teacher, but when Hank and John intersperse comments, they add perfect insight at just the right moments. Or, they ask just the right timely questions.
What a treat!! I was so thrilled to see Terry B. Ball on your podcast. I used to watch the discussions roundtable aired on TV in the past. I especially loved the lesson on Isaiah he gave today. Thank you Hank and John for all the wonderful lessons you provide us.
I secretly prayed to hear more from Elder Ball on the Isaiah chapters. His insights on Isaiah 28: 24-28 ( from his address; to confirm and inform) was really helpful. Thank you for hosting such brilliant minds who still keep the faith of the restored gospel.
I love this week's podcasts so very much. Thank you to Dr ball and our insightful co-hosts. I was taken aback with with the comment that some of our other Christian brothers and sisters take a different View then the LDS church about becoming like God. I think that needs more thought I don't have Dr Ball's experience theologically, but I have spent a lifetime in a strong faith tradition through the Mennonite Church, through the fires of the Reformation and like Stephen of the New Testament, Saints dying while singing hymns of praise. The hymn "O, to be like Thee" is not aspirational, it is what I was raised up with in the Mennonite Church. Granted the middle North American Mennonite Church of the 20th century was, like many Faith Traditions swept up in Bible Belt theology but still always grounded in the Faith of Our Fathers. I have learned so much over the last few months, but I'm always puzzled that the impression is that only LDS members think these things when I have been challenged to go back to the teachings of my church, to return to the teachings of my mother and my grandmother especially, and have been reminded that my mother in particular through difficulties like Hannah knew that God had never ever abandoned her. Blessings to all of you ss you challenge Christians of all denominations.
Bro Loewen, if you see this, can you expand? I'd love to learn from you! I am genuinely curious what other faiths believe about becoming like God, and life after death. Can you speak more of what the Mennonites believe?
Brussels sprouts are a great analogy for Isaiah! In my experience, Brussels sprouts can quite disgusting or really tasty--it all comes down to how they are prepared and their resulting taste and texture. There was a poll taken in the Washington, D.C. area a few years ago that actually showed that a lot of people there love Brussels sprouts! Likewise, Isaiah's writings can be a favorite instead of something that is "gagged down" if they are approached and consumed in the right way.
I been a Jared Halverson (Unshaken) fan, but I had to listen to a distant cousin to see what he had to say and I'm glad I did - great points, perspective and insight :)
I love the other verse of How Firm a Foundation! 😍 Each of them except one has spoken to me deeply in a certain period of my life (so I expect there will come a time for the remaining one, too 😊). It is one of my very favorite hymns (all the verses).
Brothers Smith and Bytheway, I enjoy the podcast enormously. I really enjoy the various guests that add their thoughts and experiences to the conversation. As we study Isaiah I keep remembering it is that Isaiah confuses me with regard to the Lord/LORD/LORD. Each of these seems to have a peculiar ownership that is sometimes confusing or misleading. I also recognize that Isaiah’s use of the names of God are more frequent than in any other books of the canon. There is LORD, all caps with the L being larger than the other letters. This is illustrated by: 49:14: Forsaken, LORD hath forgotten me 43:11: I am the LORD, Savior 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King 43:17: ..Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation 12;2: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song…my salvation 48:7 LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One…the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. These versus speak as if it is the Savior, Jesus Christ, both pre and mortal existence. On the other hand there are versus that are spelled lower case following the upper case L. Illustrated by: 22:5 Lord GOD of hosts 28:16 Lord GOD, Behold I lay in Zion… 3:15,17,18, Lord 29:13 Lord, quoting the Savior’s words to Joseph Smith, the prophet. 50:4,5,9 the Lord GOD. Then in 10 fear the LORD, trust in LORD and stay upon his God. There seems to be two persons here. Then there are those versus that use both spellings 3:17 the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of ion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. 37:18 LORD, 37:24 Lord 52:3 LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought, and ye shall be redeemed without money., 4, thus saith the Lord GOD 61:1 Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings to the meek; Then, finally, there is the use of LORD 29:10 For the LORD hath poured…. Dr. Ball gave some inkling acknowledgment of the issue when he stated that it was the translator’s way to denote “third person future tense” God of the Old Testament, and used Lord to denote Jehovah or Yahweh. I don’t think Isaiah made a willy nilly mistake in the use of the name of the Lord/LORD. I think each use of the name of God, the Lord or even his own father that it meant something or someone. It appears to me that the use of Lord GOD is meant to be the Father, that LORD is meant to be the Savior, Jesus Christ. I’m not sure that the use of LORD in all bold caps should mean or the direction of use. Isaiah speaks of the LORD and his maker, 45:11, seeming to make LORD as the Savior and Elohim, the LORD’S maker. Therefore, I’m asking while were studying Isaiah that you shed some light or at least offer some ideas on the various uses of the different spelling and use. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
We have, and enjoy, Isaiah's words, but how many people of his time, heard or read them? Did Isaiah preach to crowds, like Alma/Amulek as other prophets did? Or did he primarily write his words and maybe they were distributed somehow? We praise Isaiah for his sophisticated and advanced way of writing, but could/would the average person of his day understand his words readily? As an "adviser" to four kings, he seems to be a very different kind of prophet, one who enjoyed protection by virtue of his position; is that accurate? I assume we don't know anything about his life, family, posterity, etc. Do we know who might have ordained him to be a prophet? perhaps Amoz, his father/prophet? Legend has it that he was "sawn asunder", where does that come from? Also, even the Lord is "impressed" with Isaiah ("great are the words of Isaiah"), but didn't Isaiah just write the words that God inspired him to write, and therefore it is God that we should be amazed with? Thanks for everything!
But he didn't answer the question! "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet..." Please, can you get someone to explain this phrase in one of your podcasts? I've been wondering about this for over 30 years. It wearies me with its teasings!
I'm not Dr Ball, and idk if you'll see my reply. Since Isaiah's words can have many applications, I'll share my thoughts. Simply, we may one day be in the position of the Nephites to kneel at the Savior's feet, and how beautiful He will be to us, with His sacrifice in view to our very eyes! Also, we are invited to join Him as Savior's on mount Zion as we do missionary and temple work to bring others to Christ. There may be many we serve who see our feet - or the works of our lives - as beautiful; particularly when they come from the Spirit world into the temples -"Mountains" - to receive/accept ordinances that draw them close to their Savior. In these moments, will they not rejoice in the foot-paths taken by those who labored with the Savior to make this possible for them? When my adopted son was baptized, there was a sweet parting of the veil for me, and I felt a chorus go up in heaven, I felt his ancestors rejoicing that he was being baptized, b/c this meant they could also soon be baptized if we did their temple work. So, in that moment, in that baptismal font, my son's feet were beautiful to them. "Upon the mountains" in this case could just be that my son was standing on holy ground, on elevated ground so to speak, by covenanting with Christ. There are many things in Isaiah that have teased me for years as well! Through these Isaiah podcasts, I've come to understand that it's ok if there are many interpretations, that this is part of the brilliance and beauty of these words. So, if the Spirit speaks yet another application to you, (or Dr. Ball), how wonderful!
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I have been touched by watching Hank and John in this podcast. If you pay attention, they are diligently taking notes as Dr. Ball is speaking. In some instances, they are scrambling to write fast enough. What an important "between the lines" lesson from this podcast. We are never done learning! Feasting on the word of God is a lifelong endeavor.
I am always in awe that the guest is our main teacher, but when Hank and John intersperse comments, they add perfect insight at just the right moments. Or, they ask just the right timely questions.
What a treat!! I was so thrilled to see Terry B. Ball on your podcast. I used to watch the discussions roundtable aired on TV in the past. I especially loved the lesson on Isaiah he gave today. Thank you Hank and John for all the wonderful lessons you provide us.
I secretly prayed to hear more from Elder Ball on the Isaiah chapters. His insights on Isaiah 28: 24-28 ( from his address; to confirm and inform) was really helpful. Thank you for hosting such brilliant minds who still keep the faith of the restored gospel.
As always, such a meaningful lesson. I thank all of you❤
Professor Ball has been one of my favorites from BYU education. Thanks for bringing him on!
Recommended by our daughter!
I love this week's podcasts so very much. Thank you to Dr ball and our insightful co-hosts. I was taken aback with with the comment that some of our other Christian brothers and sisters take a different View then the LDS church about becoming like God. I think that needs more thought I don't have Dr Ball's experience theologically, but I have spent a lifetime in a strong faith tradition through the Mennonite Church, through the fires of the Reformation and like Stephen of the New Testament, Saints dying while singing hymns of praise. The hymn "O, to be like Thee" is not aspirational, it is what I was raised up with in the Mennonite Church. Granted the middle North American Mennonite Church of the 20th century was, like many Faith Traditions swept up in Bible Belt theology but still always grounded in the Faith of Our Fathers. I have learned so much over the last few months, but I'm always puzzled that the impression is that only LDS members think these things when I have been challenged to go back to the teachings of my church, to return to the teachings of my mother and my grandmother especially, and have been reminded that my mother in particular through difficulties like Hannah knew that God had never ever abandoned her. Blessings to all of you ss you challenge Christians of all denominations.
Bro Loewen, if you see this, can you expand? I'd love to learn from you! I am genuinely curious what other faiths believe about becoming like God, and life after death. Can you speak more of what the Mennonites believe?
Beautifully done. Thank you so much.
From broccoli to dessert! I’ll remember Brother Ball’s description from now on!
Brussels sprouts are a great analogy for Isaiah! In my experience, Brussels sprouts can quite disgusting or really tasty--it all comes down to how they are prepared and their resulting taste and texture. There was a poll taken in the Washington, D.C. area a few years ago that actually showed that a lot of people there love Brussels sprouts! Likewise, Isaiah's writings can be a favorite instead of something that is "gagged down" if they are approached and consumed in the right way.
I been a Jared Halverson (Unshaken) fan, but I had to listen to a distant cousin to see what he had to say and I'm glad I did - great points, perspective and insight :)
I wish we sang the other verses of "How Firm a Foundation." There were months were they were my crucial daily reminder.
I love the other verse of How Firm a Foundation! 😍 Each of them except one has spoken to me deeply in a certain period of my life (so I expect there will come a time for the remaining one, too 😊). It is one of my very favorite hymns (all the verses).
Brothers Smith and Bytheway,
I enjoy the podcast enormously. I really enjoy the various guests that add their thoughts and experiences to the conversation.
As we study Isaiah I keep remembering it is that Isaiah confuses me with regard to the Lord/LORD/LORD. Each of these seems to have a peculiar ownership that is sometimes confusing or misleading.
I also recognize that Isaiah’s use of the names of God are more frequent than in any other books of the canon.
There is LORD, all caps with the L being larger than the other letters.
This is illustrated by:
49:14: Forsaken, LORD hath forgotten me
43:11: I am the LORD, Savior
43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King
43:17: ..Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation
12;2: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song…my salvation
48:7 LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One…the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
These versus speak as if it is the Savior, Jesus Christ, both pre and mortal existence.
On the other hand there are versus that are spelled lower case following the upper case L.
Illustrated by:
22:5 Lord GOD of hosts
28:16 Lord GOD, Behold I lay in Zion…
3:15,17,18, Lord
29:13 Lord, quoting the Savior’s words to Joseph Smith, the prophet.
50:4,5,9 the Lord GOD. Then in 10 fear the LORD, trust in LORD and stay upon his God. There seems to be two persons here.
Then there are those versus that use both spellings
3:17 the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of ion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.
37:18 LORD,
37:24 Lord
52:3 LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought, and ye shall be redeemed without money., 4, thus saith the Lord GOD
61:1 Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings to the meek;
Then, finally, there is the use of LORD
29:10 For the LORD hath poured….
Dr. Ball gave some inkling acknowledgment of the issue when he stated that it was the translator’s way to denote “third person future tense” God of the Old Testament, and used Lord to denote Jehovah or Yahweh.
I don’t think Isaiah made a willy nilly mistake in the use of the name of the Lord/LORD. I think each use of the name of God, the Lord or even his own father that it meant something or someone. It appears to me that the use of Lord GOD is meant to be the Father, that LORD is meant to be the Savior, Jesus Christ. I’m not sure that the use of LORD in all bold caps should mean or the direction of use. Isaiah speaks of the LORD and his maker, 45:11, seeming to make LORD as the Savior and Elohim, the LORD’S maker.
Therefore, I’m asking while were studying Isaiah that you shed some light or at least offer some ideas on the various uses of the different spelling and use. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
Thank you
Wonderful insights. Thank you.
There is also a song of the vineyard in Isaiah 27:2-6
Great insights! Thanks guys.
We have, and enjoy, Isaiah's words, but how many people of his time, heard or read them? Did Isaiah preach to crowds, like Alma/Amulek as other prophets did? Or did he primarily write his words and maybe they were distributed somehow? We praise Isaiah for his sophisticated and advanced way of writing, but could/would the average person of his day understand his words readily? As an "adviser" to four kings, he seems to be a very different kind of prophet, one who enjoyed protection by virtue of his position; is that accurate? I assume we don't know anything about his life, family, posterity, etc. Do we know who might have ordained him to be a prophet? perhaps Amoz, his father/prophet? Legend has it that he was "sawn asunder", where does that come from? Also, even the Lord is "impressed" with Isaiah ("great are the words of Isaiah"), but didn't Isaiah just write the words that God inspired him to write, and therefore it is God that we should be amazed with? Thanks for everything!
I have John's book too!
But he didn't answer the question! "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet..." Please, can you get someone to explain this phrase in one of your podcasts? I've been wondering about this for over 30 years. It wearies me with its teasings!
I'm not Dr Ball, and idk if you'll see my reply. Since Isaiah's words can have many applications, I'll share my thoughts. Simply, we may one day be in the position of the Nephites to kneel at the Savior's feet, and how beautiful He will be to us, with His sacrifice in view to our very eyes! Also, we are invited to join Him as Savior's on mount Zion as we do missionary and temple work to bring others to Christ. There may be many we serve who see our feet - or the works of our lives - as beautiful; particularly when they come from the Spirit world into the temples -"Mountains" - to receive/accept ordinances that draw them close to their Savior. In these moments, will they not rejoice in the foot-paths taken by those who labored with the Savior to make this possible for them?
When my adopted son was baptized, there was a sweet parting of the veil for me, and I felt a chorus go up in heaven, I felt his ancestors rejoicing that he was being baptized, b/c this meant they could also soon be baptized if we did their temple work. So, in that moment, in that baptismal font, my son's feet were beautiful to them. "Upon the mountains" in this case could just be that my son was standing on holy ground, on elevated ground so to speak, by covenanting with Christ.
There are many things in Isaiah that have teased me for years as well! Through these Isaiah podcasts, I've come to understand that it's ok if there are many interpretations, that this is part of the brilliance and beauty of these words. So, if the Spirit speaks yet another application to you, (or Dr. Ball), how wonderful!