Excellent, this and the previous one. I'm a fan of Lenovo's business computers and am looking at one of these for my daughter to use for her school work. Your videos have left me confident it will work out nicely.
Glad to hear it helped. They would work well for general Office type software, but running advanced spreadsheets might be a bit of a challenge. What grade is your daughter in? My kids are all grown up and I plan on building a moderately high end PC for my granddaughter early next year when she starts grade school. Probably a bit more than she needs, but I will make a video about building it. Also, I can't let her start school without something impressive 😉
Thank you for a very well put together, easy to follow and informative video. Aside from the simply fact of not being an IT expert and the idea of messing about inside any computer case being inherently scary, my big sticking point would have been how to put Windows back onto it - essentially how to clone your drive onto it and not be facing a blank slate with nothing on it. You made it so straigtforward that you're inspiring me to go ahead and upgrade my mini PCs SSD to 1 or 2Tb. I have 8Gb of RAM and may or may not bother with that as I don't use it for massively intensive stuff and it copes well as is, although that looks to be pretty straighforward to swap over too. Cheers, Ian
If you want to know which are the best processors for this PC in addition to help for the (m73p and m93p) they are: i7 4765T 35w (The lowest consumption and performance of all i7 4th) i7 4785T 35w i7 4790T 45w i7 4770T 45w i7 4770S (Best in performance) 65w i7 4790S (I don't recommend it but it can handle it) 65w+ There are xeon processors that are similar in performance but the integrated ones are not very good so to speak. The rest of the processors (without letters or K) require modifications for the original adapter, which is a PSU (65w). I recognize that any of them are good depending on their use and most are expensive in price (all those with T) and yes. When you buy the 65w ones you have to have a good air flow type because they will heat up with the mini heatsink and fan that these 2 machines come with (I hope it helped you!!)
You are very welcome Sir. Did you buy one of these units? When I create my Network Rack upgrade video you will see it once again on a shelf in my rack.
@@PE4Doers Yes I did. It is for my home business I am starting up. The purpose is to handle e-mails and damaged in shipment claims. It came with a 500GB drive. I'd like to RAID 1 it. Ironically the cost of a USB3 500GB is just shy of the refurbished price. I need to consider what I will do for a backup.
I have this PC as well and I love it. Want to thank you for showing how to clone. Every step was clear, and I'm ready! Thanks for showing the tools you used as well! time to subscribe to your channel :) I do have a question. How do I get or create that Acronis boot disc. I thought it was something pre made so I could buy.
I don't believe so. I did not see a M.2 slot in the unit or mentioned in the manual. Probably do it it's age relative to the wide proliferation of M.2 drives.
Nice and useful video. Thanks! Your Amazon link to purchase Acronis Rescue shows that the item is no longer in sale. Can you recommend al alternative bootable usb drive that can clone the SSD? Thanks!
Very nice; good info here. I have two of these ,one (with Win 10 pro) I set up as a school pc for my daughter, the other Im just looking to play with. On that 2nd one I see a label stating it was a Win 8 machine. I know the windows license is built ito these machines, do you think that i'll have a problem putting in a fresh install Win 10? TIA
I'm not sure. I believe it is still possible to do a Free upgrade from Windows 8, but the timing is close. Worse comet to worse, there are many licenses available for Windows -10 that are $15 or less.
Sid should I purchase this mini PC for learning Data structures and algorithms, and web development ? Another question is that for how will it be able to handle the tasks , I mean for how many years if I start using it now ?
Hi loved the video very informative. I see you put in 2 x 8 gig ram is it possible/needed to be able to fit 2 x16 ram? Seeing as it had the 2 slots. Thanks again for the info.
Well... According to the User Manual (which is online and can be found with a couple of searches), it only supports 16gb (2x8gb). Such manuals have been known to be inaccurate, however unless I happen to have two 16gb DDR3 SODIMs laying around, I would no invest at the risk of it not working.
@@PE4Doers thanks just wanted to know how how far these things go, I just saw another video of a chip upgrade which did some good stuff but overall nothing special on the same platform. Fascinated that this might be the new size for the pc in the future.
Thanks!. On a different topic. Is it worthwhile to replace or upgrade the fan on the Lenovo m93p “Tiny” ? Mine has become very noisy and the inside temperature is rising beyond original values. Any recommendation on this front? Amazon has several replacements that claim compatibility but not sure which one may be the one to choose from.
Can you explain your comment about not being able to get a RaspBerryPi any more? For the price you paid compared to a Raspberry Pi it is a huge upgrade. You would need to buy Power, and case for a RP which does not include an SSD or upgradable memory. It should make a nice little unit for many things. I understand many Display Port adaptors have some barbs on them to prevent the connection from coming loose. People that do not know this have damaged the connector when trying to force the removal. Does this adaptor have the barbs? Can the adaptor be used in both directions, ie can you use it on a Monitor display port vice one on a computer.
I meant that comment based on the discounted price I got when I actually bought the unit from NewEgg. Of course once I upgraded it, the price exceeded the current cost of a Raspberry Pi. Sorry. I will have to check on the Display 'barbs' - I guess I'm so used to using those connected I never had an issue. I will comment to this comment once I look. No, that adapter only goes on one direction - from DP to HDMI (according to the Ad, but I did not test that.
Brilliant Video :)) You copied the HP M93P Tiny over from the last video :)) It is indeed a Lenovo M93p Tiny :)) Please correct the video title as well :))
@@PE4Doers Ah, I didn't even think about checking what I had, I have three of these that I bought just a little time ago, one have 2x4gb DDR3L, one have 2x4gb DDR3, and the last have 1x8GB DDR3L, I that makes it easier to get the ram for them :)
I dont understand why you put the drive back in the machine, when you could have left it hanging out, tested the machine, then put the new ram in and THEN proceed to close it all up???
I wanted to make sure the first part worked before trying the second, to isolate any problems. If I put the ram in with everything still out of place, then troubleshooting would have taken a lot longer since I could have pinched a cable.
That is correct. However someone astute and experienced in in micro electronics might be able to add the necessary hardware to support a second Sata SSD. In my opinion, that is beyond the capability of the vast majority of PC hobbyist, and there is significant risk of destroying the unit beyond repair (at least when measured against its value).
i bought one installed 16gb ram, 1 ssd, 1 msata ssd, i7 4770 cpu. i upgraded it to 7260hw wifi bluetooth card, double-tube copper heatsink with 1.0A cooler fan.
Yes, that works on the one I have. The key thing there is the speed of network connection. Just be careful though - I did not try it using the Wireless, so that may not work as well for streaming a movie.
In my opinion, only if you have no other way to connect to your monitor. I avoid using it unless I have no other options, since the resolution is VERY limited.
@@PE4Doers Yeah. I hear you there. I just got one myself but it's not working properly I don't think so it's either got water or some kind of liquid damage or somebody tried to repair it by super gluing something back on but I'm trying to update the BIOS to see if it makes a difference or not but it doesn't seem to want to upgrade to whatever the latest version it.
Excellent, this and the previous one. I'm a fan of Lenovo's business computers and am looking at one of these for my daughter to use for her school work. Your videos have left me confident it will work out nicely.
Glad to hear it helped. They would work well for general Office type software, but running advanced spreadsheets might be a bit of a challenge. What grade is your daughter in? My kids are all grown up and I plan on building a moderately high end PC for my granddaughter early next year when she starts grade school. Probably a bit more than she needs, but I will make a video about building it. Also, I can't let her start school without something impressive 😉
Thank you for a very well put together, easy to follow and informative video. Aside from the simply fact of not being an IT expert and the idea of messing about inside any computer case being inherently scary, my big sticking point would have been how to put Windows back onto it - essentially how to clone your drive onto it and not be facing a blank slate with nothing on it. You made it so straigtforward that you're inspiring me to go ahead and upgrade my mini PCs SSD to 1 or 2Tb.
I have 8Gb of RAM and may or may not bother with that as I don't use it for massively intensive stuff and it copes well as is, although that looks to be pretty straighforward to swap over too.
Cheers, Ian
Glad my information helped. Good luck.
Excellent video David! I really like that cloning tool you used. Thanks for sharing!
Tony, Yes, I've been using that for years. It can be created from the Acronis software in either a Win or Linux version. I always use the Linux.
I just got one of these from ebay for about $62 USD and works like a charm.
What do you plan on using it for? Also, will you be making any upgrades?
@@PE4Doers I’m planning to implement a Kubernetes cluster, this might be the control node
@@breydan That's great. Let me know how it works out 🙂
you could also install a nvme port to use a tiny form factor ssd...it just needs couple surface mounted components, and a slot soldered to it.
That's interesting - thanks.
If you want to know which are the best processors for this PC in addition to help for the (m73p and m93p) they are:
i7 4765T 35w (The lowest consumption and performance of all i7 4th)
i7 4785T 35w
i7 4790T 45w
i7 4770T 45w
i7 4770S (Best in performance) 65w
i7 4790S (I don't recommend it but it can handle it) 65w+
There are xeon processors that are similar in performance but the integrated ones are not very good so to speak.
The rest of the processors (without letters or K) require modifications for the original adapter, which is a PSU (65w). I recognize that any of them are good depending on their use and most are expensive in price (all those with T) and yes. When you buy the 65w ones you have to have a good air flow type because they will heat up with the mini heatsink and fan that these 2 machines come with (I hope it helped you!!)
Thank you so much for that information. I'm sure there are some folks out there who are curious about that.
Wow! Thanks for posting!
You are very welcome Sir. Did you buy one of these units? When I create my Network Rack upgrade video you will see it once again on a shelf in my rack.
@@PE4Doers Yes I did. It is for my home business I am starting up. The purpose is to handle e-mails and damaged in shipment claims.
It came with a 500GB drive. I'd like to RAID 1 it. Ironically the cost of a USB3 500GB is just shy of the refurbished price. I need to consider what I will do for a backup.
@@RonPiggott That sounds like a great idea. I will be wishing you luck 🙂
17:25 I didn't realize that upgrading the RAM will cause more power to be used at idle. Good to know.
It definitely does 😮💨
I have this PC as well and I love it. Want to thank you for showing how to clone. Every step was clear, and I'm ready! Thanks for showing the tools you used as well! time to subscribe to your channel :) I do have a question. How do I get or create that Acronis boot disc. I thought it was something pre made so I could buy.
I am very happy to hear that this video helped you 🙂
The silver hair looks killer brother!! The ladies gonna love it.
Thank you
Hey, thank you for the great video! Do you think that upgrading the SSD would be the same process for the M92P Tiny dejstop?
Not sure, however it may work if the existing hard drive is 2.5"
I would like to note that I upgraded my ram to 16 gb for this lenovo pc, and I'm able to run minecraft and fortnite at a smooth 80 fps. Pretty solid!
That's great to hear. I will be deploying mine as vulnerability testing server within the next few months.
Yes, very little option when it comes to SO-DIMM DDR3 memory. Thanks.
It's too bad.
excellent....I want to run a small network with that one just for movies
Good luck 🙂
@@PE4Doers thanks
@@jacklacey-pz7rz you are quite welcome Sir
Explained it all so well. Does the M93p has an NVMe internal SSD slot for an SSD M.2 upgrade? _thanks_
I don't believe so. I did not see a M.2 slot in the unit or mentioned in the manual. Probably do it it's age relative to the wide proliferation of M.2 drives.
@@PE4Doers Okay - I'll upgrade with an SATA SSD. _thank you_
You do know you can find HDMI internal cable ass'y that allow the 2nd installed Display Port to HDMI without the use of the converter cable.
No, I did not. I will open it up and take a closer look for that.
Nice and useful video. Thanks! Your Amazon link to purchase Acronis Rescue shows that the item is no longer in sale. Can you recommend al alternative bootable usb drive that can clone the SSD? Thanks!
There is the FreeWare tool CloneZilla
What's the best processor it can be able to support? Also, the video was really helpful
Unfortunately the motherboard only support up to an i5, Gen 4.
it supports i7
Very nice; good info here. I have two of these ,one (with Win 10 pro) I set up as a school pc for my daughter, the other Im just looking to play with. On that 2nd one I see a label stating it was a Win 8 machine. I know the windows license is built ito these machines, do you think that i'll have a problem putting in a fresh install Win 10? TIA
I'm not sure. I believe it is still possible to do a Free upgrade from Windows 8, but the timing is close. Worse comet to worse, there are many licenses available for Windows -10 that are $15 or less.
Sid should I purchase this mini PC for learning Data structures and algorithms, and web development ?
Another question is that for how will it be able to handle the tasks , I mean for how many years if I start using it now ?
I would look to something more recent and powerful to do science and engineering course.
Hi loved the video very informative. I see you put in 2 x 8 gig ram is it possible/needed to be able to fit 2 x16 ram? Seeing as it had the 2 slots. Thanks again for the info.
Well... According to the User Manual (which is online and can be found with a couple of searches), it only supports 16gb (2x8gb). Such manuals have been known to be inaccurate, however unless I happen to have two 16gb DDR3 SODIMs laying around, I would no invest at the risk of it not working.
@@PE4Doers thanks just wanted to know how how far these things go, I just saw another video of a chip upgrade which did some good stuff but overall nothing special on the same platform. Fascinated that this might be the new size for the pc in the future.
@@zargonfuture4046 I know what you mean 🙂
why is there a large difference in SSD performance?, good video
Do you mean in this unit, or in general? Also, thanks for the compliment.
you can use primo cache to enhance ssd life
I have never used that, but now my curiosity is peaked. Thanks.
Thanks!. On a different topic. Is it worthwhile to replace or upgrade the fan on the Lenovo m93p “Tiny” ? Mine has become very noisy and the inside temperature is rising beyond original values. Any recommendation on this front? Amazon has several replacements that claim compatibility but not sure which one may be the one to choose from.
Thanks for the information. I will have to take a look at what other Fans might work best.
Can you explain your comment about not being able to get a RaspBerryPi any more?
For the price you paid compared to a Raspberry Pi it is a huge upgrade. You would need to buy Power, and case for a RP which does not include an SSD or upgradable memory. It should make a nice little unit for many things.
I understand many Display Port adaptors have some barbs on them to prevent the connection from coming loose. People that do not know this have damaged the connector when trying to force the removal. Does this adaptor have the barbs?
Can the adaptor be used in both directions, ie can you use it on a Monitor display port vice one on a computer.
I meant that comment based on the discounted price I got when I actually bought the unit from NewEgg. Of course once I upgraded it, the price exceeded the current cost of a Raspberry Pi. Sorry. I will have to check on the Display 'barbs' - I guess I'm so used to using those connected I never had an issue. I will comment to this comment once I look. No, that adapter only goes on one direction - from DP to HDMI (according to the Ad, but I did not test that.
What is the maximum height for the 2.5hdd drive? 2TB would be around 7mm, similar to the SSD you put in. 5-6TB is around 15mm.
I just measured the 1tb I put in and it appears to be 7mm. It looks like you can get one about 11mm before the top cover interferes with it.
Brilliant Video :)) You copied the HP M93P Tiny over from the last video :)) It is indeed a Lenovo M93p Tiny :)) Please correct the video title as well :))
Thanks for catching that for me Kathrin 🙂
@@PE4Doers You are very welcome :)) The title is now correct but it is still wrong in the description of this and the last Video it was wrong as well.
Would upgrading to 32Gb of memory in these machines be possible? I've thought about buying a few of these to experiment with virtual machines.
According to the manual it is not supported. But it may be something to try if you have a 32GB DDR3 set laying out to try.
Thanks!,
Does this mean the computer handles DDR3 and DDR3L memory?, lower voltage on the DDR3L so I was a bit unsure what to order.
The one I bought was the DDR3L which appeared to be the same as the one that was inside this unit, so I would go with that
@@PE4Doers Ah, I didn't even think about checking what I had, I have three of these that I bought just a little time ago, one have 2x4gb DDR3L, one have 2x4gb DDR3, and the last have 1x8GB DDR3L, I that makes it easier to get the ram for them :)
@@Neslekkim OK, good luck.
hey! I have a question, can the ryzen 5 5600g be installed in this pc?
I'm afraid not. The motherboard is only for an Intel CPU. Sorry.
I dont understand why you put the drive back in the machine, when you could have left it hanging out, tested the machine, then put the new ram in and THEN proceed to close it all up???
I wanted to make sure the first part worked before trying the second, to isolate any problems. If I put the ram in with everything still out of place, then troubleshooting would have taken a lot longer since I could have pinched a cable.
the tiny could only accomodate 1 ssd inside the case correct? cant do 2 pcs ssd?
That is correct. However someone astute and experienced in in micro electronics might be able to add the necessary hardware to support a second Sata SSD. In my opinion, that is beyond the capability of the vast majority of PC hobbyist, and there is significant risk of destroying the unit beyond repair (at least when measured against its value).
If i Upgrade to 16GB on intel i7 of this pc would it be fast enough to run 2 Virtual machines?
That would depend on what the two virtual machines happen to be (O/S) and what they will running (applications). 16GB is a decent amount of memory.
i bought one installed 16gb ram, 1 ssd, 1 msata ssd, i7 4770 cpu. i upgraded it to 7260hw wifi bluetooth card, double-tube copper heatsink with 1.0A cooler fan.
WOW, you create a beast of a small system there 🙂
what do you think ...
I have tested that with the unit connected via RJ-45 cable directly to my network - it worked fine. I did not test it using Wireless however.
okay im back with another processor, can this handle the intel core i5 10400?
As I answered this earlier, no it will not support a 10th down through 5th Gen CPU
@@PE4Doers Then what's the best processor it can be able to support? Also, the video was really helpful
Wood this be good to stream movies
Yes, that works on the one I have. The key thing there is the speed of network connection. Just be careful though - I did not try it using the Wireless, so that may not work as well for streaming a movie.
Is using a VGA cable good at all
In my opinion, only if you have no other way to connect to your monitor. I avoid using it unless I have no other options, since the resolution is VERY limited.
i order the HP EliteDesk 800 G3 Mini Intel i5 7th Gen 8 GB RAM 240 GB SSD USB Win 10 Desktop
That sounds like a GREAT unit. I'm jealous 😤
@@PE4Doers Thank you
@@jacklacey-pz7rz You are very welcome
Your title says HP but it's a Lenovo :)
I said the same in my comment too :))
@@KathrinHausermann i even emailed him :)
@@JasonsLabVideos I wrote it in the Email I sent him about the first video too :))
Thanks Jason, I did not realize that and it's been corrected.
Can you install Linux on this computer?
Yes, although I did not actually install it on this unit, I did install Linus on a Lenovo laptop with a very similar processor and memory.
@@PE4Doers thanks
Renewed?
Yes, it is, and it works very well.
@@PE4Doers What does that mean, exactly?
@@luigiprovencher8888 They cleaned it out, then tested everything. Sometimes they upgrade the storage drive to a larger one.
Now put an mSata port in it like somebody else did on here.
Unfortunately, this unit does not have a connector on its motherboard supporting an mSATA
@@PE4Doers Yeah. I know. They had to solder it in but it is doable.
@@luigiprovencher8888 That sounds amazing - probably more than I would try on a unit I have plans to use.
@@PE4Doers Yeah. I hear you there. I just got one myself but it's not working properly I don't think so it's either got water or some kind of liquid damage or somebody tried to repair it by super gluing something back on but I'm trying to update the BIOS to see if it makes a difference or not but it doesn't seem to want to upgrade to whatever the latest version it.
@@luigiprovencher8888 Those 'older' BIOS version are sometimes impossible to update.
Xeon processor
Not something you will find in the one I have.