Yeah I just saw him in a game, and the spell. Now it is Change in instead of Discover! A image of the card would of helped with the patch notes from them.
I’d believe it. I know I personally learned the hard way that similar effects don’t work with Felfin (I think I may have used Clunker Junker?), so I can understand if I’m not alone. That said, I hope Clunker Junker, Lucky Egg, and any other ‘discover’ effects I’m not thinking of can also change alongside this update.
@@Heretic721 Discover means you should get a copy. This is just for consistency. Cards that discovered and summon minion in standard hearthstone, now also add a copy to hand.
Huming bird does buff things that get summoned. This effect is literally like how Goldrin works, its an aura that affect all your beasts even if the bird dies. It is objectively better like this! Not a fan of making it +1 instead of +2 tho.
With the Rod of Roasting change, my assumption would be that the average is still the same, but it probably has a reduced chance to hit either face at the start, but that chance increases as fireballs hit. That means there's less chance of a fireball immediately hitting face (but also less chance of it going ridiculously long)
Fish is a good display of different thoughts between MMR brackets. As a 5.5k newer battlegrounds player, my first instinct was to criticize it, since no one has even countered my fish up to this point and not having to deal with the lack of board space was also a nice bonus, I wonder how far I'd get before someone countered it like that. Thanks for the tip though!!
Goose sucks. I really hate Lucky Egg. Rarely I got good stuff. And all Battlecries are useless. They should at least make the Battlecry effect trigger.
@@shadownin1188the goose was not that good. normal goldenizer with drakkari was 10 times better. double goose on board hard locked every board you could play that was good so you basically had to pray to the gods that you can greed out 3 maybe 4 goldenizers at max but now you literally have to acquire a completely new board. getting normal goldenzier with any form of drakkari comp was 10 times better imo just much safer and you could already get direction. i picked the goose as often as i could and out of 12 tries i won 1 game with a nalaa board and i only needed 1 goldenizer in the first place anyway
What I like about the new Oilcan is that I see a number of players suggest that trinket turn should also be level turn, meaning Oil Can could be the same as +1 gold on the turn you get it. If that extra gold gives you enough of an upside, it just might be worth it.
A few comments to make on these changes: Golden Lucky Egg will Discover a Tier 4 minion to transform into instead! This can net you golden pivotal minions like Trigore, Recycling Wraith, Mummifier, Living Azerite, Persistent Poet, among others. To make up for the greater Fish trinket going away, you now can proc it with Eyes of the Earth Mother! However, this causes combos like Kaboom + Fish to not be available in its strongest form for the majority of heroes, due to trinket rarity clashes… quite a shame to see that possibility gone. Shaman Prayer Beads allows me to stomp the underpowered lobbies with a surprise Kalecgos APM build. Less viable, sure, but with the right supplies I can rip through builds of all sorts. Slamma fans are wondering if Papa Bear’s buffs apply before Slamma Sticker does. If so, this could create some devastating builds. Theotar buff but no Kalecgos rework? Time to cry in a corner. Archimonde and Felfin getting tier-swapped is super nice. And on the note of Felfin, I love the idea of having Felfin much earlier on in my games, especially since it can now come down before Primalfin Lookout. I quite like it in my tavern spell menagerie builds for the demon slot. Find it great when Murkeye fills my hand with random murlocs and buffs it a bunch every turn. Enjoy it tremendously if it’s available in a game where I’m rolling with Silas and playing some sort of APM card spam menagerie build that centers around Amalgam Tour Group. Loc Prince is starting to look like a new staple for my Divine Shield menagerie builds, now that it got the Roogug treatment (who was pretty meh before getting Divine Shield). However, I expect this change to make Murlocs far more mighty of a comp to pick up. Top Shelf change is a bummer. When this drops something like Tethys, Kalecgos, Eternal Summoner, Nalaa, Amalgam Tour Group, or Indomitable Mount, you’re pretty much gunning for top 2.
Kalecgos... who did you offend at Blizzard to deserve to be allowed to linger in this world in such a state of power. Either put the poor thing down, or allow him to take on a new form!
I do have to say that if you can get the merkeye + brann/moira + drakkari + primalfin + felfin on the board it’s one of the most fun ways to play Merlocs. I’ve only made it happen once but it’s one of the largest single minions I’ve ever had on board.
damm how the information flows. Haven't seen you recommended in like half a year and then after one game of battlegrounds after not playing in half a year...
I sometimes picked shaman prayer beads, when I knew I was playing brann apm, the only build that could possibly use this. Also it was a free trinket, and leaving you with all your gold to buy the tavern is always nice. By that time you probably know if you can pull it off, and also your economy was probably more established, so you could buy more battlecries. It was ok. But now a lesser, you get it at turn 5, and you pay 3 gold. 3 gold is the weird spot where you can't really go to 4 unless you sell 2 minions, so you gotta stay on 3. For this effect? Are there any good battlecries on T3 and bellow, I mean good enough to delay the tavern for? I think the good ones start at 4. I don't know man, this feels like I'll never pick it.
I love a good cycle spot myself, but the fact that you could not buff it in anyway, and it always on your far right made it very vulnerable, and poorly positioned.
Random I think is fine IF all players are subject to the same degree of random. Otherwise it does kind of get stale where its more of a play things in this order for optimal results. But maybe I am just thinking too much of Magic the Gathering play style.
Also I like felfin cause I like to play One-amalgam menagerie builds, and it is a bit better there. it's the same reason why I play Ice fisher so much =D
The fact Goldrin used to be +5/+5 and is now +3/+3...It is absolutely disheartening. It is not that strong. There has been usch a power creep by other tribes yet Goldrinn is still around...Either shit or get off the pot blizzard. This is getting ridiculous.
Power creep is a very real thing. Saltscale Honcho was a 3/2 on tier 2 who was decent at the time, and now he is a 3/3 on tier 1 that sees little play beyond the first few turns!
@@Heretic721 I feel like They built comps in BG completely around 1 minion then realize oh this is a decent comp, let's nerf the 1 minion we built this around. Either bring the old minions up to par, or rescale them, but the constant nerfing is ridiculous. What makes it even worse, they didn't even change it's tier to 5 or 4. They just nuked its stats and effect.
Humming bird was prob too good the way it was after it's last tweak. Even if tokens spawned after its death they would still be buffed by 2 attack. That seems OP for a tier 2 unit. Also, Galakron is my fav hero. I HOPE that they are just removing discover from text because DISCOVER is a game mechanic now. (like that demon murloc would get buffed from a discover) There may be future cards/effects that trigger off of something being discovered as well. With these 2 abilities though, you dont actually get a card from their discovers so I get why the game might not want to call it that. My hope is Gala's hero power will basically be like Hooktusk with "choose" but with 3 choices? ...btw that trinket is way fun when playing Gala ^_^
Its funny you actually mention this because my other monitor is opened with my notes, and I am about to start recording. Hopefully out by Tuesday the latest.
Well I have news! I played 7 games yesterday forcing beasts where I could to see how Papa Bear worked. Sadly... I never was offered the tier 7 trinket, and I was completely dismantled since I also found only ONE Goldrin in 7 games.... beasts seem to be in a state of waiting for the next meta now.
I think galakrond is just a wording change, not an effect change, since the hero power didn't proc felfin or the new primalfin portrait.
Yep, it's solely to clarify that it doesn't work with Felfin or similar effects
Yeah I just saw him in a game, and the spell. Now it is Change in instead of Discover! A image of the card would of helped with the patch notes from them.
I’d believe it. I know I personally learned the hard way that similar effects don’t work with Felfin (I think I may have used Clunker Junker?), so I can understand if I’m not alone.
That said, I hope Clunker Junker, Lucky Egg, and any other ‘discover’ effects I’m not thinking of can also change alongside this update.
@@Heretic721
Discover means you should get a copy.
This is just for consistency.
Cards that discovered and summon minion in standard hearthstone, now also add a copy to hand.
Did they change it just because of Felfin? it feels like they changed because too many people were complaining about Felfin.
Huming bird does buff things that get summoned. This effect is literally like how Goldrin works, its an aura that affect all your beasts even if the bird dies. It is objectively better like this! Not a fan of making it +1 instead of +2 tho.
With the Rod of Roasting change, my assumption would be that the average is still the same, but it probably has a reduced chance to hit either face at the start, but that chance increases as fireballs hit. That means there's less chance of a fireball immediately hitting face (but also less chance of it going ridiculously long)
Fish is a good display of different thoughts between MMR brackets. As a 5.5k newer battlegrounds player, my first instinct was to criticize it, since no one has even countered my fish up to this point and not having to deal with the lack of board space was also a nice bonus, I wonder how far I'd get before someone countered it like that.
Thanks for the tip though!!
Goose sucks. I really hate Lucky Egg. Rarely I got good stuff. And all Battlecries are useless. They should at least make the Battlecry effect trigger.
It is reasonable buddy. It was utterly broken before. And BTW you can get golden lucky egg which gives you tier 4 minion like trigore.
@@shadownin1188the goose was not that good.
normal goldenizer with drakkari was 10 times better.
double goose on board hard locked every board you could play that was good so you basically had to pray to the gods that you can greed out 3 maybe 4 goldenizers at max but now you literally have to acquire a completely new board.
getting normal goldenzier with any form of drakkari comp was 10 times better imo just much safer and you could already get direction.
i picked the goose as often as i could and out of 12 tries i won 1 game with a nalaa board and i only needed 1 goldenizer in the first place anyway
What I like about the new Oilcan is that I see a number of players suggest that trinket turn should also be level turn, meaning Oil Can could be the same as +1 gold on the turn you get it. If that extra gold gives you enough of an upside, it just might be worth it.
Best battlegrounds content I have found. Thank you learning a ton
A few comments to make on these changes:
Golden Lucky Egg will Discover a Tier 4 minion to transform into instead! This can net you golden pivotal minions like Trigore, Recycling Wraith, Mummifier, Living Azerite, Persistent Poet, among others.
To make up for the greater Fish trinket going away, you now can proc it with Eyes of the Earth Mother! However, this causes combos like Kaboom + Fish to not be available in its strongest form for the majority of heroes, due to trinket rarity clashes… quite a shame to see that possibility gone.
Shaman Prayer Beads allows me to stomp the underpowered lobbies with a surprise Kalecgos APM build. Less viable, sure, but with the right supplies I can rip through builds of all sorts.
Slamma fans are wondering if Papa Bear’s buffs apply before Slamma Sticker does. If so, this could create some devastating builds.
Theotar buff but no Kalecgos rework? Time to cry in a corner.
Archimonde and Felfin getting tier-swapped is super nice. And on the note of Felfin, I love the idea of having Felfin much earlier on in my games, especially since it can now come down before Primalfin Lookout. I quite like it in my tavern spell menagerie builds for the demon slot. Find it great when Murkeye fills my hand with random murlocs and buffs it a bunch every turn. Enjoy it tremendously if it’s available in a game where I’m rolling with Silas and playing some sort of APM card spam menagerie build that centers around Amalgam Tour Group.
Loc Prince is starting to look like a new staple for my Divine Shield menagerie builds, now that it got the Roogug treatment (who was pretty meh before getting Divine Shield). However, I expect this change to make Murlocs far more mighty of a comp to pick up.
Top Shelf change is a bummer. When this drops something like Tethys, Kalecgos, Eternal Summoner, Nalaa, Amalgam Tour Group, or Indomitable Mount, you’re pretty much gunning for top 2.
Kalecgos... who did you offend at Blizzard to deserve to be allowed to linger in this world in such a state of power. Either put the poor thing down, or allow him to take on a new form!
I do have to say that if you can get the merkeye + brann/moira + drakkari + primalfin + felfin on the board it’s one of the most fun ways to play Merlocs. I’ve only made it happen once but it’s one of the largest single minions I’ve ever had on board.
damm how the information flows. Haven't seen you recommended in like half a year and then after one game of battlegrounds after not playing in half a year...
I sometimes picked shaman prayer beads, when I knew I was playing brann apm, the only build that could possibly use this. Also it was a free trinket, and leaving you with all your gold to buy the tavern is always nice. By that time you probably know if you can pull it off, and also your economy was probably more established, so you could buy more battlecries. It was ok.
But now a lesser, you get it at turn 5, and you pay 3 gold. 3 gold is the weird spot where you can't really go to 4 unless you sell 2 minions, so you gotta stay on 3. For this effect? Are there any good battlecries on T3 and bellow, I mean good enough to delay the tavern for? I think the good ones start at 4. I don't know man, this feels like I'll never pick it.
I like the empty spot on board for the old fishy sticker
I love a good cycle spot myself, but the fact that you could not buff it in anyway, and it always on your far right made it very vulnerable, and poorly positioned.
I wish there were less bottom tier heros. Some just need a complete rework.
Just recently they buffed heroes for the first time in ages, so good news that is a strong possibility!
Chameleon and fish are gonna be nuts together now that u can position fish, arguably better than. Golden fish
21:28 as you said this is a competitive game and the most thing i hate in a competitive game is random things...
Random I think is fine IF all players are subject to the same degree of random. Otherwise it does kind of get stale where its more of a play things in this order for optimal results. But maybe I am just thinking too much of Magic the Gathering play style.
karmic chameleon is only good if you have a really buffed up golden lasher
TIL felfin procs big with golden brann/ young murk end of turn lol
Never let him stick around long enough before I guess. Was massive at end
Haha I bet he would. In other minions defense though anything pops off big when it comes to Battlecries, and a golden Brann is in the equation!
Also I like felfin cause I like to play One-amalgam menagerie builds, and it is a bit better there. it's the same reason why I play Ice fisher so much =D
I love the loop of Ice Fisher, but the ART IS SO BAD!
@@Heretic721I think it's kinda charming
The fact Goldrin used to be +5/+5 and is now +3/+3...It is absolutely disheartening. It is not that strong. There has been usch a power creep by other tribes yet Goldrinn is still around...Either shit or get off the pot blizzard. This is getting ridiculous.
Power creep is a very real thing. Saltscale Honcho was a 3/2 on tier 2 who was decent at the time, and now he is a 3/3 on tier 1 that sees little play beyond the first few turns!
@@Heretic721 I feel like They built comps in BG completely around 1 minion then realize oh this is a decent comp, let's nerf the 1 minion we built this around.
Either bring the old minions up to par, or rescale them, but the constant nerfing is ridiculous. What makes it even worse, they didn't even change it's tier to 5 or 4. They just nuked its stats and effect.
i love trinkets i think they made the game so much better
I had a game with salty looter that was ridiculous, that thing can get out of control.
I haven’t seen anyone playing goldrin at all this season
I had rod of roasting 2 times buff my whole board aroung +30/30 and 3rd time finish after two units :D
Humming bird was prob too good the way it was after it's last tweak. Even if tokens spawned after its death they would still be buffed by 2 attack. That seems OP for a tier 2 unit. Also, Galakron is my fav hero. I HOPE that they are just removing discover from text because DISCOVER is a game mechanic now. (like that demon murloc would get buffed from a discover) There may be future cards/effects that trigger off of something being discovered as well. With these 2 abilities though, you dont actually get a card from their discovers so I get why the game might not want to call it that. My hope is Gala's hero power will basically be like Hooktusk with "choose" but with 3 choices? ...btw that trinket is way fun when playing Gala ^_^
It is Choose now! Galakrond is still playable!
I really hope galakrond is just a wording thing bc they’re one of my favorite heroes
It was just wording luckily still very playable!
I've seen like 3 rods of roasting and they all hit a player within the first 3 shots on full boards. Not doing the math, but that don't math
It does math, actually, it's just very unfortunate
I dont get the dragon nerfs, dragons are almost not viable in the last few updates.
RIP Galakrond 😢 what a silly change I liked him even though he wasn't the greatest already
Oh never mind I just read comments clarifying this isn't an actual functional change
PS. I really need an elemental Guide. I cannot win with that Type to save my life and I need to learn
Its funny you actually mention this because my other monitor is opened with my notes, and I am about to start recording. Hopefully out by Tuesday the latest.
Imo beasts are useless in BG now with no early buffs or triggers only buffs is T5 or t6
Played Hearthstone for about one year and Gift Horse is one of the most annoying cards. Wouldn't mind seeing it reworked or gone!
Is Papa Bear good now? It's basically a golden mama bear. Maybe if it still summoned one Mama Bear on death I would consider it worthy of note.
Yeah I thought the same, I like your idea of the change
Well I have news! I played 7 games yesterday forcing beasts where I could to see how Papa Bear worked. Sadly... I never was offered the tier 7 trinket, and I was completely dismantled since I also found only ONE Goldrin in 7 games.... beasts seem to be in a state of waiting for the next meta now.
Glad I got my goose games in cause I'm never drafting that guy again
thanks! best content!
i hoped bleeding hard get nerfed harder its basically the same BS you have to deal with
Pee pee poo poo