The YDP-164 should, if you look at the series from Yamaha and Kawai one-to-one, be compared to the CN-29. But both of the smaller kawai models are a bit more expensive than the similar Yamaha models
@@saralarsson8447 The CN line from KAWAI is an order of magnitude higher than the KDP or YDP (if we are talking about Yamaha), so it's not correct to compare them, it's another matter to compare the Yamaha YDP-164 and Kawai YDP-120!
They sound a lot better through the direct line-in. Then, the recorder makes a big difference when played through speakers. The essential tones are quite high for their price point. I prefer the 164 for its key feel and action. It also has better speakers. It's worth the added money or get the slim line s54 that only costs a few hundred more. With Kawai, the ES520 probably sounds better than this KDP120 though I'm not sure of the ES520s action. HAven't played one and haven't played the Kdp120, only the KDP110 and ES8. ES8 was a fine instrument.
The differences are not that huge. The biggest difference between the two is that Kawai has upgraded the the cushion material in the key action so they are a bit more quiet. They have also upgraded the low volume balance and then support for their apps.
First beginner piano Kawai CN29 vs Roland FP30X? I am an absolute 22yo adult beginner pianist (no music background) and was wondering which piano would be best? I am currently using a Yamaha DGX 230 (with no weighted keys) to self-learn and recently gotten Faber's adult piano adventures 1 & 2. The Music I like are anime piano music and some classical pieces. This includes: Animes like Attack on titan's Vogel Im Kafig and classical pieces like Yann Tiersen's comptine d'un autre ete. Should I get the 2019 Kawai CN29 with arguably the best plastic action (RHIII) in the market that has a sale rn by some dude online? or should I get the all-new 2021 Roland FP30X that was recently released with some ~$600-$1000 savings compared to CN29. Money and space are a little tight but manageable. (I've heard people saying to buy the best piano you can afford) The prices are converted from my currency: Kawai CN29: USD$1472 (A guy is currently selling 1 brand new on sale) (usual price ard ~USD$1800-2000 here) Roland FP30X: USD$853
@@ferexx Greetings mate, I have decided that I would be waiting for the successor of the Kawai CN39 (maybe released now till end of next year?) as it has been almost 2 years since its release in July 2019. The upgrades that a CN39 has over the CN29 warrants the slight price difference. I have tried the FP30x, KDP120 and the CN39. That said, the 4 speaker system the CN39 felt really genuine and powerful, that blows the rest out of the water. It sits at a nice price point of what I am most willing to afford too (~$2700-$3000) and I believe it can last me for the whole piano journey as a beginner-mid intermediate which would likely takes years lmao. That said, the Bluetooth audio in CN39 would come really handy for me.
@@PheeTheAwesome i wouldn't bet on a successor that soon tbh. the KDP 90 and 110 is 5 years apart, the 110 and 120 is 3 years, ES 110 is already 4 years old and that requires a significant update. my point is that Kawai product cycle is really all over the place. i wouldn't be surprised if the CN29 and CN39 soldier on for another 2 years. at this point there isn't really much to add to the next generation of CN2x and CN3x as they already offer technologies above the competition. and so you'll potentially be looking to wait for at least a year, if not two for a successor. the main issue is that you do not have a properly weighted piano to practice on which will be detrimental to your skill development. IMHO, wasting a year or two in hope for a machine that might at most get marginal improvement all the while not having the right tool to develop proper technique and skill is quite the waste of effort. a piano is at the end of the day a tool for us to make music.
@@ferexx ahhhh, thanks for your advice. In that case, I will be contacting my local Kawai dealer again for any updates, if not then I would likely take the plunge. That said, what do you think about the CN39's RH3 action/package in general? (leaning towards Kawai due to their focussed niche which is piano making unlike other brands.) Is it a good starting piano for an adult beginner pianist like me?
@@PheeTheAwesome glad to be of help. the CN29 and CN39 have basically the same action which is highly regarded. it is probably one of the best, if not the best, plastic action on the market now. the CN39 giving better speakers, better connectivity and more voices. as to which is better deal it really depends on the price in your market. for example, the CN29 here is not much higher than the KDP 120 so it makes sense for me to stretch a bit more for CN29. but the CN39 is about 30% more than the CN29 and to me that is not worth it since the CA49 is only 40% more than the CN29. so it makes no sense for me to pick the CN39 at all. for me if we are talking strictly Kawai model. ES110 makes sense since its cheap CN29 makes sense since its slight more expensive than KDP 120 (30% more) but offers a significant upgrade in specs CA49 makes sense since its only 10% over the CN39 but bumps it up a level in key action quality. so i will not pick KDP 120 and CN39 not because they are bad, but just doesn't make sense in my local pricing. hope my thought process can help you in making your choice.
@@antid19 hey, I don't really have a lot of experience so I can't really compare it to other models. All I can say is that I'm absolutely happy with it. It feels great and I think that Kawai really did an amazing job with this one.
Yeah I want to buy the Kawai for the extra spec but the Yamaha just sounds better and more soothing to me especially the tonal balance and richness of the left hand keys up to middle C. For some reason the Kawai, even though it's brighter/cleaner, just sounds a bit tinnier and less satisfying in this lower range..?
@@sittingonmysofa I think Kawai's strength is the richness and fullness of its tone. That would come through more in the direct line recordings. Yamaha's strength is articulation with a clearer bass than most pianos.
I think it's called a digital piano . Synthesizer usually don't have speakers on and need to be plugged to software+ some sort of amp,speakers etc to create sounds. If I'm correct.
Used to say the same about digital cameras. They have come along in 20 years. Another 20 and the string boxes will be a rarity. However I do wish they would stop buying their cabinet work from Ikea.
Thanks a lot for this video. For me Kawai sounds better.
But keyboard is better on yamaha
@@buries_r I heard this before but not sure better in which meaning. If you could explain in a brief I'd greatly appreciate it.
@@rainboow567 key noise, general impression of playing. You should try it by yourself
@@buries_r got it, thanks a lot for responding 🙏🙏
Valla me too
Wouldn't be the YDP-164 the better match? Same price tag and similar speaker system, the speakers of the 144 are very weak
The YDP-164 should, if you look at the series from Yamaha and Kawai one-to-one, be compared to the CN-29. But both of the smaller kawai models are a bit more expensive than the similar Yamaha models
@@saralarsson8447 The CN line from KAWAI is an order of magnitude higher than the KDP or YDP (if we are talking about Yamaha), so it's not correct to compare them, it's another matter to compare the Yamaha YDP-164 and Kawai YDP-120!
@@Digitalpianocom the kawai kdp 75 is the competition for yamaha arius 144. why does noone know that?
164 is more expensive.
@@Mr.Cedric7607 That's exactly what I mean, the YDP 144 sounds like shit over speakers
They sound a lot better through the direct line-in. Then, the recorder makes a big difference when played through speakers. The essential tones are quite high for their price point. I prefer the 164 for its key feel and action. It also has better speakers. It's worth the added money or get the slim line s54 that only costs a few hundred more. With Kawai, the ES520 probably sounds better than this KDP120 though I'm not sure of the ES520s action. HAven't played one and haven't played the Kdp120, only the KDP110 and ES8. ES8 was a fine instrument.
Kawai tone better for me
Kawai wins in this one
Not sure
@@محمدالخلفي-ط1ل Im sure
@@محمدالخلفي-ط1ل It's purely subjective. not sure why people want to find a "winner." They both have strong and less strong qualities to them IMO.
Como é o nome da musica? 00:15?
So, kawai kdp 120 or yamaha ydp 164?)))
Ydp 164
@@alvarovoos7292 you are late, I've already bought kawai
Not clear wich one is better, really.
Thanks for Scriabin and Chopin btw!
Can you please review all differences between kdp-110 and kdp120!
The differences are not that huge. The biggest difference between the two is that Kawai has upgraded the the cushion material in the key action so they are a bit more quiet. They have also upgraded the low volume balance and then support for their apps.
First beginner piano Kawai CN29 vs Roland FP30X?
I am an absolute 22yo adult beginner pianist (no music background) and was wondering which piano would be best? I am currently using a Yamaha DGX 230 (with no weighted keys) to self-learn and recently gotten Faber's adult piano adventures 1 & 2.
The Music I like are anime piano music and some classical pieces. This includes: Animes like Attack on titan's Vogel Im Kafig and classical pieces like Yann Tiersen's comptine d'un autre ete.
Should I get the 2019 Kawai CN29 with arguably the best plastic action (RHIII) in the market that has a sale rn by some dude online? or should I get the all-new 2021 Roland FP30X that was recently released with some ~$600-$1000 savings compared to CN29.
Money and space are a little tight but manageable. (I've heard people saying to buy the best piano you can afford)
The prices are converted from my currency:
Kawai CN29: USD$1472 (A guy is currently selling 1 brand new on sale) (usual price ard ~USD$1800-2000 here)
Roland FP30X: USD$853
have you decided what to get?
@@ferexx Greetings mate, I have decided that I would be waiting for the successor of the Kawai CN39 (maybe released now till end of next year?) as it has been almost 2 years since its release in July 2019.
The upgrades that a CN39 has over the CN29 warrants the slight price difference. I have tried the FP30x, KDP120 and the CN39. That said, the 4 speaker system the CN39 felt really genuine and powerful, that blows the rest out of the water. It sits at a nice price point of what I am most willing to afford too (~$2700-$3000) and I believe it can last me for the whole piano journey as a beginner-mid intermediate which would likely takes years lmao. That said, the Bluetooth audio in CN39 would come really handy for me.
@@PheeTheAwesome i wouldn't bet on a successor that soon tbh. the KDP 90 and 110 is 5 years apart, the 110 and 120 is 3 years, ES 110 is already 4 years old and that requires a significant update.
my point is that Kawai product cycle is really all over the place. i wouldn't be surprised if the CN29 and CN39 soldier on for another 2 years.
at this point there isn't really much to add to the next generation of CN2x and CN3x as they already offer technologies above the competition.
and so you'll potentially be looking to wait for at least a year, if not two for a successor. the main issue is that you do not have a properly weighted piano to practice on which will be detrimental to your skill development.
IMHO, wasting a year or two in hope for a machine that might at most get marginal improvement all the while not having the right tool to develop proper technique and skill is quite the waste of effort. a piano is at the end of the day a tool for us to make music.
@@ferexx ahhhh, thanks for your advice. In that case, I will be contacting my local Kawai dealer again for any updates, if not then I would likely take the plunge. That said, what do you think about the CN39's RH3 action/package in general? (leaning towards Kawai due to their focussed niche which is piano making unlike other brands.) Is it a good starting piano for an adult beginner pianist like me?
@@PheeTheAwesome glad to be of help. the CN29 and CN39 have basically the same action which is highly regarded. it is probably one of the best, if not the best, plastic action on the market now.
the CN39 giving better speakers, better connectivity and more voices. as to which is better deal it really depends on the price in your market.
for example, the CN29 here is not much higher than the KDP 120 so it makes sense for me to stretch a bit more for CN29. but the CN39 is about 30% more than the CN29 and to me that is not worth it since the CA49 is only 40% more than the CN29. so it makes no sense for me to pick the CN39 at all.
for me if we are talking strictly Kawai model.
ES110 makes sense since its cheap
CN29 makes sense since its slight more expensive than KDP 120 (30% more) but offers a significant upgrade in specs
CA49 makes sense since its only 10% over the CN39 but bumps it up a level in key action quality.
so i will not pick KDP 120 and CN39 not because they are bad, but just doesn't make sense in my local pricing.
hope my thought process can help you in making your choice.
oh yes, just got this kawai badboy today!
How is the key action?
@@antid19 hey, I don't really have a lot of experience so I can't really compare it to other models. All I can say is that I'm absolutely happy with it. It feels great and I think that Kawai really did an amazing job with this one.
Yamaha's sound is a bit clearer
Yeah I want to buy the Kawai for the extra spec but the Yamaha just sounds better and more soothing to me especially the tonal balance and richness of the left hand keys up to middle C. For some reason the Kawai, even though it's brighter/cleaner, just sounds a bit tinnier and less satisfying in this lower range..?
@@sittingonmysofa I think Kawai's strength is the richness and fullness of its tone. That would come through more in the direct line recordings. Yamaha's strength is articulation with a clearer bass than most pianos.
Poor recording quality, how can one compare sounds...
Kawai .👍
All, Digitas need external woofer, KDP cannot. Don't know Yamaha 🤔🤔🤔
yamaha❤❤
wat? its nocturne no. 20 and not ballade no 1 XD also work on dynamics no hate XD
Do not buy this product, the sound is too low, I regret it Kdp 120
Yamaha ydp 103 has the best piano sound
Kawai win.
Win what?😁
Win 7 😂
Kawai is better sound
it sounds like.............. :(
Yamaha sound better
Both sound terrible.
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I prefer the guitar at the end of the video.
this is no piano but an electronic synthesizer. a piano has strings and is acoustic.
I think it's called a digital piano . Synthesizer usually don't have speakers on and need to be plugged to software+ some sort of amp,speakers etc to create sounds. If I'm correct.
Used to say the same about digital cameras. They have come along in 20 years. Another 20 and the string boxes will be a rarity. However I do wish they would stop buying their cabinet work from Ikea.
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