Tom Mboya the white man's choice
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The best President Kenya never had!
Too bad!!
"A white man's choice" 😂😂😂
@@paolorossi784 Even Mandela was a white man's choice. The brits were not as bad as the French. Brits meant a little well for Africa. Their only problem was racism.
"A Single Bullet In The Right Direction Can Change The Course Of A Nation"
RIGHT DIRECTION OR IN THE WRONG DIRECTION?
The wrong direction you mean
@@stivinsmasai That's why you need a CODE , not a leader . The movement dyes with the leader. Nelly Fuller Jr has written such a code .
Thomas Joseph mboya his charismatic skills outmatched everyone including the white man... mboya was very close to presidency and still very far from it..His assassination in July 1969 has got so many conspiracy theories..May his soul continue resting in peace..our hero.. even though I was born 25yrs later after his death, his power , charisma, leadership and service his gave this country during pre-colonial Kenya ; is felt.
The visionary Kenya wanted to forget, but never did!
Tom mboya was just a genius, he accomplished so much in those era's despite being a young guy
He may have been a genius, but based off the documentary it's clear he was handpicked by the British, and given many opportunities that would propel him ahead.
@@lekis5975 mboya work his way up by then for you to be handpicked by white meaning they saw something in him
he was cherrypicked for all of that
@@lekis5975 The documentary is itself biased. They display a copy of the book, "Tom Mboya: The Man Kenya Wanted to Forget" then they arrive at conclusion s totally unrelated to Mboya's life. Mboya was the choice of Africans long before his life's path joined up with the West.
@@lekis5975 And Mboya wasn't handpicked by anyone. His values, social, political and economic beliefs just converged with most of the values, social, economic and political beliefs of the West. Did you want him to pretend to be a communist when he didn't believe in communistic principles? You may find an answer in why no one "handpicked" your father to be anything in life.
Where would Kenya be today, i cry blood for this man.
The big man that send that mo'fo to eliminate Mboya was definitely Mzee Kenyatta!
I believe it was the CIA. Tom had ties to African pro movements in USA, he was killed during the Same period as Akina mlk Akina Malcolm x...Martin Garvey
Jomo Kenyatta sent Charles njonjo
And then Charles njonjo paid the boys who worked for tom mboya to finish him
The man Kenya could not forget.
It's hard to imagine how much Tom,s brilliance would have achieved for our country had he lived longer.Sadly we will never know.that was a very dark time in our history.
Now we are mourning ogola😭why always Luos😭😭
A true hero. Could Kenya have found another destiny had Mboya lived?
Yeah, a true hero of western imperialism.
Actually he was the most interesting African politician of his time.
@@timpage54 interesting to who?
Certainly not outside Kenya.
@@paolorossi784 Intellectually interesting -- he was somebody who really stood out amidst the nothingness of Lumumba and Tshombe.
Very good analysis of historical events in Kenya in the early years of "cold".
Mboya was the single-most author of Kenyans modern day marginality of vast swathes of geographies and it’s people
Mobutu of Zaire was the choice the white
😢😢 sad ...
Really sad to know that the villains in our country are worshipped..
Just like Moi
Tom Mboya, the man the country will never forget...
Accepted, Luos do give birth to leaders
What is outstanding to me is how Njonjo kept mum about Mboya to the grave, in spite of being buddies and confidants. He was even the best man in Mboyas wedding yet he did not attend the funeral. For me, I believe Njonjo took all Mboya's secret information to the grave. Those guys were so close, very close there was also a rumour that, Njonjo wanted to "connive" and enable Mboya to ascend to power. Anyway, may their souls rest in peace. Wherever they are, they know better!
Judging from the documentary, whatever happened was bigger than Mboya or Njonjo, and Njonjo was wise enough not to talk about it. When you are players on a big stage, you need to know when to talk, and when to keep quiet. Barack Obama Sr didn't know when to keep quiet and well know how things went for him.
Ati njonjo a rest in peace😂😂😂hata yeye anajua haezi😂😂😂
@@trizahmacharia2939 Hehe😂 Surely unataka arest wapi sasa, Gaza
Njonjo fell out with Mboya soon after Odinga was sidelined. Njonjo was among the Kiambu mafia crooks who planned the sidelining of Jaramogi and eventual assassination of Mboya. Njonjo had too dirty a past to share with the world.
True...There was a meeting in early 1960's between Kenyan leaders and colonial government in Nairobi where Njonjo asked the colonial representatives...why are you looking for a leader to take over after you leave when he is right here in the room...he pointed to Tom Mboya!
This is such a brilliant documentary, it confirms exactly what I've been thinking this last 18 months or thereabouts and it explains why Kenya is the way it is. People think Ruto is the problem, but he's only a symptom of the problem, the current set up in Kenya (and African as a whole) were planned many years ago. As one of the interviewees said, President Truman was given a paper on Africa in 1947 (shortly after the 2nd World War). If Africans want to understand why we are where we are, we need to look at the rise of Europe after the 2nd World War; the USA devised the Marshall Plan and gave Europe £13 BILLION to rebuild (£175 BILLION in today's money), whilst African countries were given NOTHING to start the post colonial development programmes. Africanist leaders were ousted (Nkurumah) or assassinated (Lumumba) and stooges (yes men) were left to thrive- I'll leave it to you to figure out who were the Africanists and Yes men in Kenya. All I can say is, people need to stop blaming Kenyatta for ALL the assassinations that took place, some of those moves were above his pay grade.
If Ruto is not the problem then who is! Kibaki was in a similar situation in 2003 but he set about working without blaming anyone. Why is Ruto so engrossed with this unproductive effort of looking for scape goats for his inability to deliver? Don't bring in the disgraced Ruto. We are discussing Mboya. Ruto is a triabalist
Stop the silliness! Was there a Marshall plan for Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, etc?
Alot of Africanists were disasters for their nation's economies. E.g Kwame Nkrumah, Julius Nyerere and Robert Mugabe.
The people couldn't care less about pan African ideals when they had nothing to eat.
@@lekis5975 it's just a matter of time,we are changing this country..
The man who coordinated students uplifts to acquire knowledge in other countries, in order to plough back, that's Development.
Sleep Well Tom Mboya 😢💚💛❤️
If Mboya would have become president alliance with the west could have had a positive impact on kenya despite the exploitation that could have come with it
@franklinnyaberi363 Your statement is a study in contradiction. There is no way an alliance with the West would have positively impacted Kenya. The West is hell bent on subjugating Africa and Africans. They've only ever wanted to select leaders who they can use to pacify the masses, as they exploit our resources- be it human, minerals, flora or fauna. They accessed Mboya and realised he was a man they could work with. Had Mboya made president, he would have been expected to be a stooge, and if he rebelled they were going to take him out. This documentary proves what I've been thinking the last 1 year; Mboya was taken out by the British (M16) , they were livid with him for building ties with the USA. The CIA (USA) took out Pio Gama Pinto; M16 (UK) took out Mboya. Njenga was framed, the goal was to drive a wedge between the Luo and Kikuyu communities, and they succeeded (divide and rule). Morara blew the lead off the conspiracy when he found Njenga in Lusaka and was assassinated by MI6 agents most likely.
Correct, Mboya had the brains to use his association with the West to benefit his Country, he was not going to be a stooge to lick the white man's boots at the expense of his motherland like so many African leaders have done.
I think colonialism hit you so badly such that you will forever be mental slaves. You have so much faith in the West, don't you?
Our own Mboya is the President here in South Africa. It is not so good, you are lucky he didn't make it to power.
I'm proud of Luo Tom mboya would have been Kenya's 2nd President
You should be a proud Kenyan. Tribalism is the bane of Africa. It should be, One nation, one tribe.
He was not pro Capitalism nor pro Socialism. He was Pro Pan African.
Africans doesn't know to groom and mentor upcoming leaders
May Thomas Mboya continue resting in peace
Iknemboya when I read his sessional policy paper of 1965
At ksg
Kenyans will never get such a leader,,
No single person has that power to change anything. Humans change when they want
I am happy to see my teacher prof Gathogo
May his soul rest in eternal peace.
we lost a brilliant man same to Ouko...why do the good leave and we left with the bad and rotten
Fear is the most nightmare, to those who can't assess it internally, the end result is unpleasant and strife becomes a norm.
Well done KTN. Brilliant job. They said a lot without saying too much. Sasa ni kwa wa Kenya kujaza pengo.
TJ was the most farsighted and consequential political leader Kenya ever had. That is why he remains the most remembered among departed Kenyan politicians. Good on Macharia Munene for his scholarly approach to history. Shame on Wafula Buke for treating history as though it is tabloid journalism.
Honored to meet Agutu Rosa in person During this year's 1998 Bomblast Memorial documentary
Regardless of what the professors think, Tom Mboya was an extremely intelligent individual. He should have been given a chance...we would probably have had it better post indipendence.
Ms. Agutu Rosa and KTN, are you seriously going to turn a Kenyan Hero into a villain? Classic Main Stream Media, using the ignorance of some Kenyans to distort history. The professors sound more like propagandists than academicians !!! A lot of facts are left out, and some of the information seems like hearsay and very biased indeed. Most African leaders at that time studied in the West....does that make them traitors? Jomo Kenyatta was worse. He lived in the UK during the struggle for independence and even married a British woman during that time??? What is so wrong with knowing the language of your enemies.... I think that was super brilliant of Tom Mboya. That's how he and the rest managed to negotiate for independence at Lancaster. A man allied to Martin Luther King, and JF Kennedy must have been thinking of black people's rights....getting an audience with these high calibre of humans is no joke. A man thinking of uniting Africa....amazing! Isn't that the dream of every Pan-Africanist? A united and powerful Africa against the West? What is wrong with using your connections to educate fellow Africans at some of the best universities in that time? A selfish man, thinking of his own greed for power, would not care about such things. KTN-shame on you.
we have little power against the west, they taught us almost everything we know. regardless, Mboya would have been a super force either for or against the system in the country
So sad😢😢😢
It's about tribalism is killing Kenya , Tom was most genius of all in Kenya and kikuyu killed him for jealous of him, Tom is much hated by kikuyu and those of Ruto nothing more nothing less😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Have you ever heard of Luo maumaus?😂
@@joseO12326maumau fought to chase whites out of their mountain ... and being in central kenya near nairobi so many think they were fighting for kenya... they were only seen a threat since they were near to where Muzungu was governing kenya (nairobi)
Koitalel did the same
Mekatilili did the same
Lenana did the same but because they were far from the capital they werent seen as a threat as maumau... Then they saw is was good to work together is the only way to chase mungu thats why oginga kenyatta ngala and the likes united and victory came... and if you want to believe why maumau fought to chase whites from the mountain, just look the amount of land kenyatta grabbed and how many maumau fighters he killed to silent them. Read a book called "not yet uhuru"
@@joseO12326Why should there have been Luo Mau Mau's? Mau Mau ineffectively fought for Land. Land which had been taken away from Kikuyu's who were turned into squatters. It was ineffective because it was a neutralized force by the end of 1956. State of emergency was lifted at about the same time. So it neither achieved it's real goal of restoring the stolen land back to Kikuyus nor were they anywhere near the negotiationstable for independence. It was just an overhyped organization that led to a split in the Kikuyu community and setting up the stage for the civil war within Kikuyu tribe in the form of Mau Mau's vs Kikuyu homeguards. There were neither homeguards nor Mau Mau's outside Kikuyu regions.
@@georgeodhiambo598 I'm from Mount Kenya and the Mau Mau struggle definitely helped staunch the flow of Europeans into Kenya that was growing from a steady trickle into a heavy flow. The settlers had advertised all over the UK, and even in Australia and South Africa for people to come to Kenya and "live like royalty". Kenya was definitely going the New Zealand route. In fact, there had been serious consideration to set aside 4 million acres for a Zionist state in Kenya/Uganda. Some of us could be going through what Palestine is going through right now.
I grew up in a house/farm formerly owned by a colonialist so I'm very interested in the history and have even documented the details of a lot of the settlers that settled within a 100 km radius of where I lived.
As far as I'm concerned, the Mau Mau struggle was fruitful and I'm very thankful for it. Of course they were going against far superior opponents, who brought in bomber aircraft and bombed the hell out out of them in the Aberdare forest. Like in anything in Kenya (and the world really), those who fight against an established social order aren't the ones that reap the benefits, but that doesn't negate their struggle.
@@abdulazizabdillahkijaro3070 When those you mentioned were fighting there was no Nairobi. They were fighting to evict invaders to their tribal lands. At that time Kikuyu also had resisted through Waiyaki wa hinga. Mau mau is a later development after many years of colonial misrule.
What is wrong with being Pro West.
He would have been kenya's best shot
Until 2010 we hadn't really practiced democracy. And we can attest that freedom of speech is everything nowadays. So he would have been Ideal for kenya from long
Everything!
If mboya would have lived, Kenya could have been far in development
No no
@@reubenabugah2137 Why not?
@@lekis5975 kwa sababu alikuwa mtu wa U. S.A wale watu walifanya kazi walikuwa Pro_ Africa, na America ilifanya jambo kutoa ii dunia
@@reubenabugah2137 we would have gotten independence late but no lie tungekuwa mbali, just like south africa...
@@reubenabugah2137What are you struggling to say? Kenya has always been pro-West. There were no ideological differences between the path Kenyatta took and the path Mboya would have taken. The only difference was that Mboya understood and articulated issues better.
Your good analysts do not tell us why one should be killed for his intelligence and talent?
Dude, jaza pengo. The West is hell bent on subjugating Africa and Africans. They've only ever wanted to select leaders who they can use to pacify the masses, as they exploit our resources- be it human, minerals, flora or fauna. They accessed Mboya and realised he was a man they could work with. Had Mboya made president, he would have been expected to be a stooge, and if he rebelled they were going to take him out. This documentary proves what I've been thinking the last 1 year; Mboya was taken out by the British (M16) , they were livid with him for building ties with the USA. The CIA (USA) took out Pio Gama Pinto; M16 (UK) took out Mboya. Njenga was framed, the goal was to drive a wedge between the Luo and Kikuyu communities, and they succeeded (divide and rule). Hon. Morara blew the lead off the conspiracy when he found Njenga in Lusaka and was assassinated by MI6 agents most likely.
Intelligence and talent sound positive but they are a threat to those in power. Power, particularly power in the hands of the less gifted, hates to be challenged.
@makhulooduor.....power is the one thing humans find hardest to share....he was too much of an obstacle to the "Kiambu mafia' ambitions
Ah, Macharia and Gathogo hmmm... don't you do yourselves justice!!
"The west made Mboya" please!!!!
Kenyatta knew the damage he will cause on him if he lived😢
Freedom will come
If he was indeed the white man's choice, then probably we as a country dodged a bullet.
Think about South Africa and see how he would have been the best President for Africa. Right now we still colonised but nothing to show for it ...
@adrianodiembo415 yaani you can reason like this??😂😂😂
Well he wasn't. If he was the white man's choice, then the white man would have put him in power when they had greater influence. There isn't much sense in this documentary. Politics is all about building alliances. Mboya was great at building networks. Lastly there was nothing fundamentally different between Kenyatta's and Mbuya's political and economic outlook. Mboya just happened to have a strong capacity to analyse and easily crystallize issue. Secondly Kenyatta was a kleptocrat while Mboya was not driven by the desire to steal public funds.
That's true
If he had lived, today Kenya 🇰🇪 and East Africa would be like south Africa and Congo
Very sorry Africa lost good leader Arthur Meddy from Uganda
Mboya was eliminated by CIA. He was the secretary to kwame nkhuruma of Ghana in African union at a time there was rallying to have united states of Africa. Also his association with Martin luther king in civil rights movement in the us. During this period the west were eliminating any black leader they deemed a threat to imperialism and capitalism. Mboya was a proponent of african socialism at a time there was conflict between communism and capitalism. JF kennedy was a supporter of black struggle movement and a critic of state of israel therefore the establishment saw him a threat. They had to eliminate malcom x, pio gama pinto, martin luther, J F kennedy, mboya. They also sponsored many coups in africa.
Stop advertizing your ignorance here. Mboya was never a secretary to Kwame Nkrumah. Mboya was killed due to Kenya's local political power struggles. Read and get informed and stop writing nonsense.
What you are saying makes some sense
@@georgeodhiambo598 So you want to say oginga killed mboya? Kenyatta and mboya were buddies, mboya was no way a political threat to kenyatta. The only kenyatta involvement in mboya killing was he knew what happened. Mboyas assassin was trained in Bulgaria. You need to broaden your mind beyond village politics.
My (Kikuyu & capitalist) father who knew a lot of people from that era believes that Jomo was involved but I simply don't see the connection. At no point did I see Mboya grow into any form of national political threat. There most likely would have been some other form of political persecution (like happened to Oginga) before assassination if that was the case. Jumping from buddies to assassination without intervening hostilities would be bizarre. I've been to Mboya's burial site in Rusinga Island and I know some of his grandchildren. Lovely people.
Bla bla bla please come and run for president we will vote for you.
If he was pro-west then we'd be completely screwed.
Mboya was just as pro-West as Kenyatta. Their differences had nothing to to with political ideologies. It was a power struggle, real or perceived.
So if being pro-West is your problem, then you have always been thoroughly screwed.
Agutu Rosa, Mboya hadn't gone to Addis Ababa to attend an EAC meeting. Why would an EAC meeting have been held in Addis Ababa? In any case EAC had collapsed already. It was an ECA (Ecomic Commission for Africa) meeting. The Commission brought together all African Ministers responsible for Economic Planning. It was a Pan-African body. You come across as a person who tackles issues without adequate preparation and quite often when you have cheeky guests, they use your interviews to sell their own parochial agenda.
He sent my uncle to the USA on an Airlift
While it certainly true that Mboya was the blue eyed boy of the West, he was also groomed as the antithesis of the Soviet leaning Jaramogi and there existed a bitter rivalry between the two something none of those scholars has touched on. Kenyatta saw this as an opportunity to curtail Jaramogi and exploited it.
Further, this notion that Kenyatta was a maumau or a freedom fighter needs to be dispensed with. In fact, he never participated in any freedom struggle and was himself a manchurian candidate for the British, who paid for his stay in England as they groomed him to take over from them. This was debunked by the true freedom hero Bildad Kaggia in 1985. Do people ever ask how he switched names from Kamau to Kenyatta and what the thinking and inclination behind that. He betrayed the freedom struggle that he was never part of and took over the land that had been set aside as resettlement schemes all over the country, from Northlands to Taveta , Kedong Valley and Nakuru.
Bro,, you are very right 100%facts
Its funny that kenyans always resort to jomo as the most likely culprit, when it could be equally likely that either moi, kenyatta or Jaramogi had a hand in his death, since he posed a threat to all of them with his popularity.
Mboya could have been the best president (tree terms) if had joined hands with "KADU" together with his community instead of kanu! The late Ronald G. Ngalla, the father of devolution/ Majmbo persuaded them both (Jaramogi & him) but opted for kanu.They both gave oxygine to the party that turned against them! Jaramogi had to turn to Ngalla, Moi, Muliro, take their community on board and join KADU to face jomo´s dictatorship but decided to go solo and formed the "KPU" he failed miserable. Shall raila end the same way? Mboya is the uncrowed king/ prince of kenya.
Kikuyu always sellouts
So being the white man's choice is not a sellout😂😂😂😂
They fought for independence, them and kalenjins, let them rule in peace
From the look of things, tom mboya was a traitor!
@@joseO12326Where were they fighting for independence to the exclusion of other Kenyans?
@@erickkinyua952That's the headline. Have you independently read even the book that they are illustrating as one of the source documents? That headline is misleading. Get yourself a copy of the same book and read it for yourself. Stop getting mesmerized by headlines.
The man Kenya wanted to forget
Rest in peace
this is what is happening in Kenya even today
Kikuyu hace fone alto of damages yo lyo community but God is watching one day!!!!!
wacha machungu kijana
You've allowed your analysts to bring their bias and revisionist history.
Biased and revisionist history how? The West is hell bent on subjugating Africa and Africans. They've only ever wanted to select leaders who they can use to pacify the masses, as they exploit our resources- be it human, minerals, flora or fauna. The British accessed Mboya and realised he was a man they could work with. Had Mboya made president, he would have been expected to be a stooge, and if he rebelled they were going to take him out. This documentary proves what I've been thinking the last 1 year; Mboya was taken out by the British (M16) , they were livid with him for building ties with the USA (who wanted to gain a foothold in Africa). The CIA (USA) took out Pio Gama Pinto; M16 (UK) took out Mboya. Njenga was framed, the goal was to drive a wedge between the Luo and Kikuyu communities, and they succeeded (divide and rule). Morara blew the lead off the conspiracy when he found Njenga in Lusaka and was assassinated by MI6 agents most likely.
The president who never was
The white mans choice?
Mbuya Taya
They always say one tribe saved kenya am beggining to think it is a lie
Ruto is also the white man's choice... Connect the dots
Is this News anchor called Cynthia?
No. It is the one who has prepared the documentary who is called Cythia. She lets her interviewees get away with too much bias and selective amnesia, thus selling their own agenda. Her world of reference appears to be limited to these two old and biased hags carrying the title of history. professors.
Like these guys sound extremely jelous bro😂😂😂😂
But it’s the truth bro 😂
@@jackobura2075You can be jealous and appear to be telling the truth, selective truth.
Mboya was brilliant intellectually but not wise. If only he had listened to Oginga Odinga😢
Over which issue would you have wanted him to listen to Odinga? Are you suggesting that he should have resigned from the Govt?
What did oginga Odinga tell TJM that he(Mboya) disobeyed?
Never compare the genius mboya to his master plan killer,, together they killed mboya because of power,, I don't believe that Man neither his son,,,and I don't think if Kenyatta would do that to mboya
Can Macharia Munene's position be corroborated? I smell some bias
True that
Did he buy lotion or medicine from the pharmacy?
Hi nayo iliumanga Jomo...mafafu walimdishi
How is this julius gathogo a professor really?
Greetings from Ghana, he would have sold us out
He would have made Kenya South Africa, better technology and infrastructure..think about the development
@@adrianodiembo415 Big No, don't ever compare the south African situation to ours, the Europeans liked the SA weather conditions as compared to other countries in Ghana 400 years before our independence what development did we get, not even light
What do you mean by "us"? Mboya wasn't a Ghanaian.
@@adrianodiembo415think about the tribal townships in S. A in this year 2024. Think about the grand divide between the haves and the haves not. The xenophobia(other Africans benefitting from what is yours but inaccessible, like good varsities, employment, land rights, markets of exports and imports)
They show you what is working, as they hid what isn't.
USA is 1st class land, but they have homeless people inside, trailer parks, illiterates, and the black African person is yet to be wholly accepted as an American.
@@georgeodhiambo598think Pan African
What do you mean, "the white man's choice"?
"If he was the white man's choice" then I doubt he would have been the great leader potraid.
I think that is the narrative KTN media wants to push
He was a CIA plant.
The killers also died
Watching this, i believe mboya wasthe man ideal for kenya and africa considering his age.
This is now history, but i think the new mboya is William Ruto but lacks some virtues mboya had.
Mboya the kenya leader we never had
You're joking Mr 😂😢
It had to be a kiplangat
Please rethink.
You can't compare Ruto and the 2nd president Kenya never had Tom Joseph Mboya
Don't mention the Sugoi thief and tribalist where we are discussing Mboya.Mboya didn't steal anyone's land. Ruto is on record as having stolen Mzee Muteshi's land while he was an MP. Mboya didn't organize any Kiambaa genocide. Ruto shares the same platform with the likes of Bokassa.
You can never compare the genius mboya who was interested to people's wellbeing to ruto who doesn't care the pain Kenyans are undergoing with the taxation,, mboya would have led the country in a very different way compared to ruto
Dude is just overated.CIA agent