Wild that it seems to indicate that the Precursors truly exist above and beyond the 3rd dimension, and them being killed in the 3rd dimension doesn’t mean much, as they can interact with the Universe on a scale we can’t grasp.
@@haloguy Wild that it appears that killing them in the 3rd dimension is akin to kill a “drawing” or “shadow” of them rather than the actual Precursor, which exists higher than that. Would be like a 2D person trying to kill us.
What can I say ? Great book. The Arbiter is and always will be my favorite character. The book also set up very well Atriox as the Arbiter's nemesis. The question now is : who will get Atriox first ? Chief or Arbiter ? Or will they defeat him together ? Is seems no one likes ONI, eh ? Not even the rest of the UNSC likes ONI. It also made clear that the Created have its own fleet, besides the Guardian. A good set up for a post-Cortana Created with Sloan as main villain. Is not a complain or critic but many of us, me included, predicted since the very first preview that the Banished were the mysterious client and that they would end up having the Guardian-killer weapon, because it was the only way for the battle at Zeta Halo to make sense.
I think most of us knew that the Banished would eventually be the winners of the conflict in the sense that they would be the ones leaving with the weapon. I loved seeing the Created at the forefront again. Also, I’d love to see the Arby and Chief team up against Atriox and even play through that myself in a campaign
It seems in the covenant war, ONI was doing these shady things for the survival of humanity. Now they are still in the shadows only taking advantage of everything.
Epitaph is being advertised as a final journey for him and I don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up by saying he could be returning. Is it possible, sure. Everything is possible. Although, his journey started in a book and is now concluding in a book. It’s a perfect fit
Wow. I just finished Outcasts, and this video really helped open my eyes to the possibilities. What a fantastic book! And thank you for this video Halo Guy!
Really glad to see people going through this book! There are some pretty wild implications in the end if I just say so myself. Just imagine…precursors still lurking around influencing events, and even possibly the Endless 🤔
The way The Nothing are described as being watching and witnessing makes me think the precursors decided to take a role as silent observers in the galaxy. I think this would be an interesting concept since it allows them to be present in the background of Halo media without having to be big villains or anything like that. Sort of like Mendicant in Halo 3, but without his impact on the plot. I would love it if this opens the door for terminals in which the precursors get to tell their story to the humans. I certainly don't want to be fighting the precursors, so I don't want them coming back as villains or anything like that. When I first read the adjunct, I interpreted "The great unmaking" to be the Forerunner genocide if the precursors, rather than the rings firing. It makes sense to me that they came back to the galaxy as this nano dust stuff around the same time as the flood entered the milky way. My interpretation of some of the vagueness of this story is that the dust on Netherop is an uncorrupted version of what became the flood. The precursors became dust intending to return and live how The Nothing did in The Tel, but some were corrupted and became the flood. The big reveal in this book being that we always assumed *all* of the dust got corrupted into flood, but this book shows that some of the precursors survived as intended. I really hope future lore builds on the relationship between the Tel dust and the flood powder, since there's a lot of ambiguity here that could lead to a lot of interesting plot threads.
Great analysis and thanks for sharing! I can definitely understand how people interpret the “greater unmaking” differently, and that’s totally fine. I’d like to dive deeper into it myself. As for the dust, the halo encyclopedia says that the primordial intentionally corrupted some dust so as it stands now, precursor dust can heal (like it did to Rosa) or corrupt, like the Flood. Very interesting lore is happening
I want to add on to the other reply. The "corrupted" dust was done purposely. I still stand by the theory that the final test for the mantle is to defeat the flood without cleansing the galaxy like the forerunners did. As the forerunners and flood are 1 in the same. The endless are going to level up humanity for our final conflict with the flood.
I just finished the book and tbh I had the biggest CHILLS go up my spine. I had so many questions about the Endless and now this clarifies A. LOT. Thank you so much for this banger of a video. You just earned yourself a new subscriber, Spartan.
Pretty sure the halo encyclopedia says that the guardians had origins before the Forerunners as caretakers of the domain. I’m pretty sure they are precursor in origin and modified/repurposed by the Forerunners.
The end of this book feels like the series’ biggest mic drop since the Forerunner Saga. We’ve known since almost the very beginning that the Gravemind was Halo’s main antagonist, but this book really hammered in that the Gravemind was just an avatar for a worse evil. I’m so hyped to see how the saga handles a literal trans dimensional eldritch horror entering the fray. It also just answers so many questions, like how the Primordial’s consciousness could still transfer to a new Gravemind after the firing of the array. It literally can’t die by ways we can comprehend. Also the reveal that the Primordial may have woven hatred and suffering into the very fabric of the universe is just terrifying. It feels like the whole saga’s been building to this. From the Flood to the Didact to the Endless, the Primordial’s been the puppet master behind almost every event in the series. I think puppet master twists often backfire because it feels like it cheapens the story, but Halo’s been the rare story that’s done it in a way that builds up the main villain without stripping away anyone else’s agency either. Absolutely brilliant writing! Now’s just the question of how we’re gonna see the Primordial again; as a Gravemind, its original form, or something else entirely? Been following Halo literally as long as I can remember, and I don’t think it’s ever had so much of a sense of finality as we’ve been getting since Infinite. It really feels like decades of storytelling is coming to a tipping point. I can’t wait to see how they wrap it all up!
Couldn’t agree more with everything you wrote here. During Infinite’s lifespan I always thought it would be cool if they could somehow write the Endless into the lore in a way that has them puppeteering all the events in Halo from the shadows, but now we can see it was the Precursors, and even possibly the Primordial, all along. It is so cool to see how this species survived by just simply leaving our dimension and then “creeping back in” when the time was right
@@haloguy I mean we knew the primordial has been planning everything since the forerunner saga. Why i don't get is how they tie the endless into it? I haven't read it yet, but i lost faith they'd have any semblance of a good story after Infinite.
The idea this book brings forth is that the precursors selected some species to “walk beside” and help out over others, almost in a way to thwart any forerunner plans. It’s possible the precursors have been assisting the endless this whole time
@@haloguyI just realized something and went back to reread the lost Halsey Journal pages where she made an AI in Slipspace. It mentions time anomalies and the AI hearing “whispers in the ‘mist,’” as well as it giving information no one should’ve known. Halsey ripped the journal pages out of fear. Holy shit, they’ve been dangling the Primordial as a trans-dimensional horror in front of us for so long now.
Oh my goodness I’m gonna have to go back and read that one. I can totally see these transdimensional precursors reaching out to a human AI…much like the gravemind and Cortana
As I’ve said on here before, I’m going through everything in release order. Im still on Mortal Dictata right now, so I’ve got a VERY long way to go until I get to this book. Because of that, I’m gonna watch this video anyway and learn more about where Halo is at right now.
@@haloguy It's already been a total blast! It's so interesting seeing the games now that I know so much of the lore behind them. I'm so excited to one day be caught up with recent releases. Of course! You make great Halo videos, I'm here for every upload.
So something i was thinking about. What if this place IS the Xalanyn/Endless homeworld? They found out about the precursors. The guardian is killed but the planet is devastated. So when the halo arrives the forerunners can use the guise of aid to cylix the native population.
I’m not convinced this is the Xalanyn home world. A potential planet they used to inhabit, maybe? But in Halo Infinite Despondent Pyre said she “moved Installation Zero-Seven into sufficient range of their homeworld.” I believe the planet next to Zeta Halo in the opening scene of Infinite is that homeworld
A decade ago i used to say the precursors were going to be back, dont ask me how (i was a little kid) but i had that feeling they were gonna be, no matter how. I havent read the novel yet but just hearing you gives me the creeps, Precursors as forerunners said were and extremely advanced race and knowing they could do anything to `disappear` it hypes me out. Now im pretty sure theyre gonna return and show the true power they have. I still havent understood if the Primordial will be back in another form, in its original or maybe in another conscious. This book seems to be amazing
I just finihsed reading the novel and all I have to say about is really fantastic. I didnt expect the banished would get the Divine Hand which makes me think they can use it in future games/novels and see the consequences of their actions (possibly theyre fall). On another aspect, it scares me how the precursors have been interacting indirectly for millenias, with this I realized they have been using many things as `puppets`, which one example might be the Endless. Hope we get to see this species in future games more actively
@@haloguy I’m on chapter 8 right now and I’ve been smiling all morning..I def enjoy all the call backs from the silent storm/oblivion novels….it’s also cool to have a new halo story with good ole arbie and spartan vale. She’s def one of my favorite spartan 4s
Hey Halo guy, I think you have a lot of cool theories that have gained higher attention at 343 and even in other places. It would be really cool if we had a place to discuss these theories, like discord or something else.
I really appreciate your support. I don’t plan on doing my own discord, but if you want to chat Halo lore, feel free to join me and many others in Red Nomster’s halo lore discord! I’m usually hanging out in the halo lore mysteries channel. discord.gg/uVYUMJBt
I tried joining that link, says invalid. Would love to discuss lore as well. Just finished the book this morning and was left with several questions. This is exciting stuff! Setting the stage for humanity's final test. It seems like maybe the Xalanyn were the next species forged by the Precursors. Wondering if this nanomachine dust is similar to the dust that turned into the flood, but was not corrupt. @@haloguy
Its likely the Precursors meddled with multiple species not just the weak one on Nethrop post the Halo firing and others before. This is likely one example , the Endless were another. They were looking for their champion to test against humanity . The Forerunners are still playing a chess game with the Precursors to not give up their vision of the universe.
This video let me to think something...what if the next great history...Halo: Epitafh actually gives a way for Ur-Didact to redeem himself with humanity and the galaxy as conceived by the Forerunners by helping John or the humanity in some way…one can hope. This character was not really exploited as a villain. I fill he could come back as an antihero.
Great discussion pieces! Though, I am not convinced that it was the Primordial speaking to Chynndokahli, but simply another (other) Precursors who fled the Forerunners. They speak of CREATING as "sweetness" whereas the Primordial spoke of Death as sweetness. These sound like Precursers that were not corrupted [from the powder form others took].
The one thing that kinda bothered me was that when The Arbiter meet up with the surviving outcasts (Humans) and explained that the war was over, that he didn't mention John-117. Just imagine the response he would have gotten😂
Seems like a great book. My only frustration is that more of this stuff wasn't included in game. Imagine getting to see or deploy this crazy weapon against a Guardian, IN GAME. And a 3 way war between the UNSC/Swords, The Banished and The Created. This is the Halo 6 or Infinite I hoped for.
I just discovered you and have been LOVING these videos. Thank you for doing what you do! P.S. Do you have a Discord? I have some questions and ideas that I don't want to just completely litter your comments section(s).
Thank you so much for the support! I don’t have a personal discord but I do have a space on the Sacred Icon podcast server where you can reach out to me. Here is their link and then just look for the Halo Guys book club channel: discord.gg/vMSGdpmz
One part that I'm not seeing anyone talk about yet is when the covenant elites talk about the humans who fell into the void/portal when the guardian killer fired. They apparently became apparitions and haunted the place for some time. And the way that the precursor lights/voices show up to Rosa Fuentes seem very similar to how the convenant elites depicted the human ghosts. Could it be believed that the human ghosts are now somehow above time and space, similar to the precursors? And when the human ghosts finally stopped showing up, well where did they go? That's one of my many questions/thoughts :)
That’s a topic I wanted to deep dive into layer on when I get the chance. It’s a very small passage and easily overlooked, but as you say, it has big implications
I'm just calling it now, humanity will either reject the mantle entirely or claim it with the rest of the galaxy. We already see that humans in halo don't really want it, and think its a bad idea.
Yeah, Renegades hinted that would eventually happen. And Outcasts seems to be setting up a concert of worlds, so I imagine it'll eventually happen. We may see it come to fruition in-game one day; if 343 ever wraps up Chief's story.
It's probably that the precursors just made it up and the forerunners bought the lie, making them look like idiots to the precursors. Like obviously claiming the entire galaxy as your domain is Intellectually and morally bankrupt, just like the forerunners.
Would it be possible that instead of being the precursors those who were speaking with Chindokali were the Endless? I mean we saw the Harbingers speaking like/quoting the precursors/gravemind. And whet if after the Criterion realized the existence of this species they decided to do what we saw at the end of halo Infinite 🤔
Not any official race or named beings, but I suppose some may use that term to classify mysterious races who have popped in and out of the canon but very little is known of them
@@haloguy but you know what I meant right? I also agree with what you just said I just find it odd how halopedia has their name in red for some odd reason with no text. 343 needs to add more races to their games and not just other media honestly. (I know this takes time.)
A gaming journalist said “I think the next mainline Halo game is gonna be a reboot.” It was an opinion post being taken out of context and has blown up way too big
it's explained by the characters, not really shown, but the Guardians was desintegrated (or, at least, torn into pieces) by the Divine Hand but, at the same time, the weapon screwed Netherop's biosphere
@@MrAvakstone92 Thank you. I like the fact a Guardian is destroyed by a Precursor weapon, considering the original Guardians were Precursor creations (before the Forerunners made them their own and changed them to be WMD). Thematically it makes sense.
13:53 "We know from traditional Halo canon that it was dust created by the Primordial that eventually led to the growth of the Flood" What is this use of the term "traditional Halo canon"? Because the word traditional makes it seem like this isn't part of a major piece of the franchise that retconned a lot that came before it
Good catch but that’s not how I intended that phrase, sorry. All I meant was that established halo canon teaches that Precursor dust gave rise to the Flood. Hope that clarifies it!
Excellent analysis. I just want to let you know you are kind of overreacting. We aren't planning anything you need to worry about on your timescale, offspring.
man this doesnt feel like halo its suffering so much od DBZ syndrome, making bigger and bigger enemies resurrecting dead races just to create more conflict to a humanity that suppose to be not so advanced not even close to covenant standards
That’s not what’s happening here at all. Here is what Alex Wakeford, writer at 343, said regarding this book: “We are not looking to pivot the axis of the entire universe in this book and make grand proclamations of massive ancient powers returning to life, I think that will come across in the context of reading, but there are lots of different flavors of things in here that could blossom into future stories.”
@@elliotjohnson9415 the only enemy was 10 to 13 elites and the Banished showed up in the end and didn't even fight there was nothing in this book you can make into a game every faction in the book didn't want a huge battle engagement because they knew Cortana would come.
Bungie Halo is Canon. 343 made a bad spin off in the franchise. Think of the warhammer universe. Halo is like that. It's not a linear progression of events. 343 halo died. They tried something different and people hated it. It has no future. Some other studio will reboot the franchise once they realise that nobody cares about this arc. The audience is gone.
@@haloguy Because Nizat 'Kvarosee and Tam 'Lakosee were constantly referring to forerunners as “gods”, while the real gods are actually the precursors. Only they are capable of Tier 0 technology (transsentience), such as the one in the book.
Wild that it seems to indicate that the Precursors truly exist above and beyond the 3rd dimension, and them being killed in the 3rd dimension doesn’t mean much, as they can interact with the Universe on a scale we can’t grasp.
That’s exactly right! They appear to be able to die in multiple dimensions but currently reside in the 4th. Absolutely mind blowing
@@haloguy Wild that it appears that killing them in the 3rd dimension is akin to kill a “drawing” or “shadow” of them rather than the actual Precursor, which exists higher than that. Would be like a 2D person trying to kill us.
Makes a lotta sense
Fully agree
What can I say ? Great book. The Arbiter is and always will be my favorite character. The book also set up very well Atriox as the Arbiter's nemesis. The question now is : who will get Atriox first ? Chief or Arbiter ? Or will they defeat him together ?
Is seems no one likes ONI, eh ? Not even the rest of the UNSC likes ONI.
It also made clear that the Created have its own fleet, besides the Guardian. A good set up for a post-Cortana Created with Sloan as main villain.
Is not a complain or critic but many of us, me included, predicted since the very first preview that the Banished were the mysterious client and that they would end up having the Guardian-killer weapon, because it was the only way for the battle at Zeta Halo to make sense.
I think most of us knew that the Banished would eventually be the winners of the conflict in the sense that they would be the ones leaving with the weapon. I loved seeing the Created at the forefront again. Also, I’d love to see the Arby and Chief team up against Atriox and even play through that myself in a campaign
It seems in the covenant war, ONI was doing these shady things for the survival of humanity. Now they are still in the shadows only taking advantage of everything.
@garylococo2401 I don't think the Didact will be back. Epitaph is advertised as his final story... his great journey.
Epitaph is being advertised as a final journey for him and I don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up by saying he could be returning. Is it possible, sure. Everything is possible. Although, his journey started in a book and is now concluding in a book. It’s a perfect fit
Wow. I just finished Outcasts, and this video really helped open my eyes to the possibilities. What a fantastic book! And thank you for this video Halo Guy!
Really glad to see people going through this book! There are some pretty wild implications in the end if I just say so myself. Just imagine…precursors still lurking around influencing events, and even possibly the Endless 🤔
The way The Nothing are described as being watching and witnessing makes me think the precursors decided to take a role as silent observers in the galaxy. I think this would be an interesting concept since it allows them to be present in the background of Halo media without having to be big villains or anything like that. Sort of like Mendicant in Halo 3, but without his impact on the plot. I would love it if this opens the door for terminals in which the precursors get to tell their story to the humans. I certainly don't want to be fighting the precursors, so I don't want them coming back as villains or anything like that.
When I first read the adjunct, I interpreted "The great unmaking" to be the Forerunner genocide if the precursors, rather than the rings firing. It makes sense to me that they came back to the galaxy as this nano dust stuff around the same time as the flood entered the milky way.
My interpretation of some of the vagueness of this story is that the dust on Netherop is an uncorrupted version of what became the flood. The precursors became dust intending to return and live how The Nothing did in The Tel, but some were corrupted and became the flood. The big reveal in this book being that we always assumed *all* of the dust got corrupted into flood, but this book shows that some of the precursors survived as intended.
I really hope future lore builds on the relationship between the Tel dust and the flood powder, since there's a lot of ambiguity here that could lead to a lot of interesting plot threads.
Great analysis and thanks for sharing! I can definitely understand how people interpret the “greater unmaking” differently, and that’s totally fine. I’d like to dive deeper into it myself.
As for the dust, the halo encyclopedia says that the primordial intentionally corrupted some dust so as it stands now, precursor dust can heal (like it did to Rosa) or corrupt, like the Flood. Very interesting lore is happening
I want to add on to the other reply. The "corrupted" dust was done purposely. I still stand by the theory that the final test for the mantle is to defeat the flood without cleansing the galaxy like the forerunners did. As the forerunners and flood are 1 in the same. The endless are going to level up humanity for our final conflict with the flood.
Can we please have the books narrative division start writing the games
Haven’t actually read it yet, but I just wanted to say that your content is pretty great and that I hope you’re going places.
That’s super awesome and I really appreciate your support!
I just finished the book and tbh I had the biggest CHILLS go up my spine. I had so many questions about the Endless and now this clarifies A. LOT. Thank you so much for this banger of a video. You just earned yourself a new subscriber, Spartan.
7:34 This is Ironic because the Guardian's structure is based on the precursor Abbadon.
And the Primordial's head is similar to a Guardian too.
Pretty sure the halo encyclopedia says that the guardians had origins before the Forerunners as caretakers of the domain. I’m pretty sure they are precursor in origin and modified/repurposed by the Forerunners.
The end of this book feels like the series’ biggest mic drop since the Forerunner Saga. We’ve known since almost the very beginning that the Gravemind was Halo’s main antagonist, but this book really hammered in that the Gravemind was just an avatar for a worse evil. I’m so hyped to see how the saga handles a literal trans dimensional eldritch horror entering the fray.
It also just answers so many questions, like how the Primordial’s consciousness could still transfer to a new Gravemind after the firing of the array. It literally can’t die by ways we can comprehend. Also the reveal that the Primordial may have woven hatred and suffering into the very fabric of the universe is just terrifying.
It feels like the whole saga’s been building to this. From the Flood to the Didact to the Endless, the Primordial’s been the puppet master behind almost every event in the series. I think puppet master twists often backfire because it feels like it cheapens the story, but Halo’s been the rare story that’s done it in a way that builds up the main villain without stripping away anyone else’s agency either. Absolutely brilliant writing!
Now’s just the question of how we’re gonna see the Primordial again; as a Gravemind, its original form, or something else entirely?
Been following Halo literally as long as I can remember, and I don’t think it’s ever had so much of a sense of finality as we’ve been getting since Infinite. It really feels like decades of storytelling is coming to a tipping point. I can’t wait to see how they wrap it all up!
Couldn’t agree more with everything you wrote here. During Infinite’s lifespan I always thought it would be cool if they could somehow write the Endless into the lore in a way that has them puppeteering all the events in Halo from the shadows, but now we can see it was the Precursors, and even possibly the Primordial, all along. It is so cool to see how this species survived by just simply leaving our dimension and then “creeping back in” when the time was right
@@haloguy I mean we knew the primordial has been planning everything since the forerunner saga. Why i don't get is how they tie the endless into it? I haven't read it yet, but i lost faith they'd have any semblance of a good story after Infinite.
The idea this book brings forth is that the precursors selected some species to “walk beside” and help out over others, almost in a way to thwart any forerunner plans. It’s possible the precursors have been assisting the endless this whole time
@@haloguyI just realized something and went back to reread the lost Halsey Journal pages where she made an AI in Slipspace. It mentions time anomalies and the AI hearing “whispers in the ‘mist,’” as well as it giving information no one should’ve known. Halsey ripped the journal pages out of fear.
Holy shit, they’ve been dangling the Primordial as a trans-dimensional horror in front of us for so long now.
Oh my goodness I’m gonna have to go back and read that one. I can totally see these transdimensional precursors reaching out to a human AI…much like the gravemind and Cortana
As I’ve said on here before, I’m going through everything in release order. Im still on Mortal Dictata right now, so I’ve got a VERY long way to go until I get to this book. Because of that, I’m gonna watch this video anyway and learn more about where Halo is at right now.
Going through the entire series like that is a lot of fun! You won’t regret it. Thanks for watching!
@@haloguy It's already been a total blast! It's so interesting seeing the games now that I know so much of the lore behind them. I'm so excited to one day be caught up with recent releases.
Of course! You make great Halo videos, I'm here for every upload.
So something i was thinking about. What if this place IS the Xalanyn/Endless homeworld? They found out about the precursors. The guardian is killed but the planet is devastated. So when the halo arrives the forerunners can use the guise of aid to cylix the native population.
I'm pretty sure the Xalayn homeworld was confirmed to be another planet.
I’m not convinced this is the Xalanyn home world. A potential planet they used to inhabit, maybe? But in Halo Infinite Despondent Pyre said she “moved Installation Zero-Seven into sufficient range of their homeworld.” I believe the planet next to Zeta Halo in the opening scene of Infinite is that homeworld
I just got done re listening to outcasts I’m so ready for the new book!
A decade ago i used to say the precursors were going to be back, dont ask me how (i was a little kid) but i had that feeling they were gonna be, no matter how. I havent read the novel yet but just hearing you gives me the creeps, Precursors as forerunners said were and extremely advanced race and knowing they could do anything to `disappear` it hypes me out. Now im pretty sure theyre gonna return and show the true power they have. I still havent understood if the Primordial will be back in another form, in its original or maybe in another conscious. This book seems to be amazing
I just finihsed reading the novel and all I have to say about is really fantastic. I didnt expect the banished would get the Divine Hand which makes me think they can use it in future games/novels and see the consequences of their actions (possibly theyre fall). On another aspect, it scares me how the precursors have been interacting indirectly for millenias, with this I realized they have been using many things as `puppets`, which one example might be the Endless. Hope we get to see this species in future games more actively
what if The Endless are a coalition of species influenced in their evolution by the Precursors
There’s some dialogue that potentially supports this theory in Infinite, like when the Skimmers say “join the hive!”
This sounds suspiciously like Destiny's taken...👀
I’ve been reading halo books since ghosts of onyx came out long ago…I can’t wait to see what happens next!
This one is definitely a treat!
@@haloguy I’m on chapter 8 right now and I’ve been smiling all morning..I def enjoy all the call backs from the silent storm/oblivion novels….it’s also cool to have a new halo story with good ole arbie and spartan vale. She’s def one of my favorite spartan 4s
Hey Halo guy, I think you have a lot of cool theories that have gained higher attention at 343 and even in other places. It would be really cool if we had a place to discuss these theories, like discord or something else.
I really appreciate your support. I don’t plan on doing my own discord, but if you want to chat Halo lore, feel free to join me and many others in Red Nomster’s halo lore discord! I’m usually hanging out in the halo lore mysteries channel.
discord.gg/uVYUMJBt
I tried joining that link, says invalid. Would love to discuss lore as well. Just finished the book this morning and was left with several questions. This is exciting stuff! Setting the stage for humanity's final test. It seems like maybe the Xalanyn were the next species forged by the Precursors. Wondering if this nanomachine dust is similar to the dust that turned into the flood, but was not corrupt. @@haloguy
Try joining the Sacred Icon discord and then I have my own channel in there called “Halo Guy’s Bookclub” discord.gg/q293YFjg
Its likely the Precursors meddled with multiple species not just the weak one on Nethrop post the Halo firing and others before. This is likely one example , the Endless were another. They were looking for their champion to test against humanity . The Forerunners are still playing a chess game with the Precursors to not give up their vision of the universe.
That’s exactly how I see it
This novel was dope
This video let me to think something...what if the next great history...Halo: Epitafh actually gives a way for Ur-Didact to redeem himself with humanity and the galaxy as conceived by the Forerunners by helping John or the humanity in some way…one can hope. This character was not really exploited as a villain. I fill he could come back as an antihero.
Would love to see a halo metroidvina with Vale
So does this mean the “dust” that we see on Netherop during the book are precursors as well then? Why have they remained there all this time?
There is the mystery of it all…I’m sure they have their plans and were waiting for the right moment to emerge
Why always halo realease this class of content in novels that should be put in the games
Great discussion pieces! Though, I am not convinced that it was the Primordial speaking to Chynndokahli, but simply another (other) Precursors who fled the Forerunners.
They speak of CREATING as "sweetness" whereas the Primordial spoke of Death as sweetness.
These sound like Precursers that were not corrupted [from the powder form others took].
Love these ideas
The one thing that kinda bothered me was that when The Arbiter meet up with the surviving outcasts (Humans) and explained that the war was over, that he didn't mention John-117. Just imagine the response he would have gotten😂
Yeah that would be a crazy revelation
I've said it and I'll say it again, Halo is peak Sci-fi
Seems like a great book. My only frustration is that more of this stuff wasn't included in game. Imagine getting to see or deploy this crazy weapon against a Guardian, IN GAME. And a 3 way war between the UNSC/Swords, The Banished and The Created. This is the Halo 6 or Infinite I hoped for.
I just discovered you and have been LOVING these videos. Thank you for doing what you do!
P.S. Do you have a Discord? I have some questions and ideas that I don't want to just completely litter your comments section(s).
Thank you so much for the support! I don’t have a personal discord but I do have a space on the Sacred Icon podcast server where you can reach out to me. Here is their link and then just look for the Halo Guys book club channel: discord.gg/vMSGdpmz
One part that I'm not seeing anyone talk about yet is when the covenant elites talk about the humans who fell into the void/portal when the guardian killer fired. They apparently became apparitions and haunted the place for some time. And the way that the precursor lights/voices show up to Rosa Fuentes seem very similar to how the convenant elites depicted the human ghosts. Could it be believed that the human ghosts are now somehow above time and space, similar to the precursors? And when the human ghosts finally stopped showing up, well where did they go?
That's one of my many questions/thoughts :)
That’s a topic I wanted to deep dive into layer on when I get the chance. It’s a very small passage and easily overlooked, but as you say, it has big implications
@@haloguy looking forward to it!
if only Infinite could have DLC. Imagine this stuff tying into the game and seeing Precursors IN-GAME!
That sounds awesome!
From dust we are made, to dust we shall return
If you’re already thinking this, just wait till my next video drops… 👀
I'm just calling it now, humanity will either reject the mantle entirely or claim it with the rest of the galaxy. We already see that humans in halo don't really want it, and think its a bad idea.
I think that would be an awesome twist to the story to see it rejected
Yeah, Renegades hinted that would eventually happen. And Outcasts seems to be setting up a concert of worlds, so I imagine it'll eventually happen. We may see it come to fruition in-game one day; if 343 ever wraps up Chief's story.
It's probably that the precursors just made it up and the forerunners bought the lie, making them look like idiots to the precursors. Like obviously claiming the entire galaxy as your domain is Intellectually and morally bankrupt, just like the forerunners.
Yeah the entire concept of the Mantle will probably end up being rejected and discarded in the end.
Would it be possible that instead of being the precursors those who were speaking with Chindokali were the Endless? I mean we saw the Harbingers speaking like/quoting the precursors/gravemind. And whet if after the Criterion realized the existence of this species they decided to do what we saw at the end of halo Infinite 🤔
I personally don’t think it’s the Endless, but I’m definitely going to re-read this section with that in mind 🤔
Why don't the people writing the books add lore to the games?!?!
This entire video is based on one chapter written by a few of the writers at 343
@haloguy are you sure? If true, it is a book company that makes games on the side...
I’m sure. They said so themselves.
@@synthwavespartan2808 they can do both. Make games and contribute to books.
So does vale get it going with the arbiter
Of course lol
They held hands and Thel is really starting to like her.
Question who are the lurkers race?
Not any official race or named beings, but I suppose some may use that term to classify mysterious races who have popped in and out of the canon but very little is known of them
@@haloguy but you know what I meant right? I also agree with what you just said I just find it odd how halopedia has their name in red for some odd reason with no text.
343 needs to add more races to their games and not just other media honestly. (I know this takes time.)
What was revealed what happened to the created and the fortress class vessels. I’m hearing halo could be rebooting I hope they tie up the story first
A gaming journalist said “I think the next mainline Halo game is gonna be a reboot.” It was an opinion post being taken out of context and has blown up way too big
@@haloguy I see I mean halo infinite was considered a reboot in a way to. 343 can’t seem to finish plots they started
@@supremercommonderbeing considered a reboot is much different than being an actual reboot
Does the book talk through the Guardian attack on Nethrop and the weapon being used on it? If so, what happens?
it's explained by the characters, not really shown, but the Guardians was desintegrated (or, at least, torn into pieces) by the Divine Hand but, at the same time, the weapon screwed Netherop's biosphere
@@MrAvakstone92 Thank you. I like the fact a Guardian is destroyed by a Precursor weapon, considering the original Guardians were Precursor creations (before the Forerunners made them their own and changed them to be WMD). Thematically it makes sense.
13:53 "We know from traditional Halo canon that it was dust created by the Primordial that eventually led to the growth of the Flood"
What is this use of the term "traditional Halo canon"? Because the word traditional makes it seem like this isn't part of a major piece of the franchise that retconned a lot that came before it
Good catch but that’s not how I intended that phrase, sorry. All I meant was that established halo canon teaches that Precursor dust gave rise to the Flood. Hope that clarifies it!
spoiler alert for a book? dude im not reading this book, i barely have the free time to play the games lmao
Excellent analysis. I just want to let you know you are kind of overreacting. We aren't planning anything you need to worry about on your timescale, offspring.
oh great, another book that has more story thant the actual F game :/
man this doesnt feel like halo its suffering so much od DBZ syndrome, making bigger and bigger enemies resurrecting dead races just to create more conflict to a humanity that suppose to be not so advanced not even close to covenant standards
That’s not what’s happening here at all. Here is what Alex Wakeford, writer at 343, said regarding this book:
“We are not looking to pivot the axis of the entire universe in this book and make grand proclamations of massive ancient powers returning to life, I think that will come across in the context of reading, but there are lots of different flavors of things in here that could blossom into future stories.”
343 STOP MAKING BOOKS AND MAKE THIS INTO GAME CONTENT WTF
Yes, because everyone loved 4 and 5
It would be alote of cutscene of characters standing and talking stop acting like Bungie didn't star this trend.
@@heraldofoblivion499 that's not the point being made though.
@@williamgibson3862 there's definitely stuff in this book that would make good game content
@@elliotjohnson9415 the only enemy was 10 to 13 elites and the Banished showed up in the end and didn't even fight there was nothing in this book you can make into a game every faction in the book didn't want a huge battle engagement because they knew Cortana would come.
Bungie Halo is Canon.
343 made a bad spin off in the franchise.
Think of the warhammer universe. Halo is like that. It's not a linear progression of events. 343 halo died. They tried something different and people hated it. It has no future.
Some other studio will reboot the franchise once they realise that nobody cares about this arc. The audience is gone.
People do care about this arc though. You're wrong
@@elliotjohnson9415 Like 12 people maybe.
@@Aether-Entropy The Endless and Precursor stuff has potential.
Need Kleenex?
Then why are u here on a discussion of a book on a channel called halo guy😂
Halo is dead. Reach killed it and infinite spits on its grave.
Need Kleenex?
@@MrAvakstone92 you keep them. You need em more.
@@chuckchalmers4960 I'm not the one crying about "Halo is dead" (like if repeating that "argument" will make you right), because it is not
@@MrAvakstone92 You are crying out your ass right now. You are coping in chat trying to defend trash games. Get some taste
@@MrAvakstone92 comon cry more for me. You took the bait now keep entertaining me.
Just finished the book. Loved it. Absolutely fantastic. And it’s just another confirmation that forerunners are frauds. Always have been.
Not that I necessarily disagree but what part of the book made you think that?
@@haloguy Because Nizat 'Kvarosee and Tam 'Lakosee were constantly referring to forerunners as “gods”, while the real gods are actually the precursors. Only they are capable of Tier 0 technology (transsentience), such as the one in the book.
Ahhh yes I see