IT’S ALL OVER For The Leafs - Norm And Mike Talk About Another Disappointing Ending
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S6E54
Maple Leafs content, commentary and conversation. Norman James with Mike Augello. This is The Leafs Convo.
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Imo, William nylander has been their most consistent playoff performer by far.
As a talent, for sure. My vote goes to knies. He's literally a rookie and was a force out there during the series.
*their
Agreed!
Unfortunately the game of hockey is played on both sides of the rink. Last year he was -11. That means he cheats for his offense to the detriment of the team and if you think that’s good, it’s why the team loses every year. The problem is the entire team underperforms and is never held accountable including Nylander. They kept a rookie coach through 4 pathetic playoff seasons now in a row. This was Nylander’s best showing but a small sample size… the common denominator is you need to get the best out of your players and the Leafs NEVER get that in the post season. It’s the coaches responsibility for that. The coach needs to beat the defensive systems of the other coach. The Leafs have talented players but if they aren’t being coached to do the right things or held accountable it doesn’t matter.
yup, that's a fact. He consistently brings it in the playoffs, and can find the room to do his thing, whereas other high paid players can't seem to.
Marner played hardball when he signed. Now leafs reciprocate. Marner can sit until he waives his no trade. If it's the whole season, so be it. We need an asset or two back
now we are talking !!
Hello
I wouldn't expect to win a trade like that, but getting a goalie a draft pick and a top four D would be amazing.
@@Allen-k6n1o The cap space alone is a good return. 11 mil can buy any available D man in the league
Hahaha, then he walks next year for nothing
Domi dominates in GAME 5 and 6 at centre ice. Matthews comes in and Domi ice time cut. Plus the line was broken up most of the game. Enough is enough this coach is done
Oh yeah is Done.
Re moving Marner....sure, the Leafs may not get full value for him, but, as the saying goes "sometimes less is more", and in this particular instance i believe that to be true.
Well said
Great podcast boys! Thanks for all the work you guys put into this all year!
Thanks for watching.
Hahahahaha sorry for you leafs fans
Hey you guys are fun. You think Leafs Executives put everyone thru this Core 4 playoff disappointment again next year - complete with game 7 third period Leaf collapse & Mitch screwing up his back checking to lose another elimination to the Bruins? I expect this same Leaf Core 4 playoff disappointment. 😀
Excellent video and clear presentation. So many drama queen reaction videos out there, nice to get a detailed breakdown of the particulars.
How do you let Pasta beat your ENTIRE defense in OT like that? After playing great D all game, you do that? Unreal!
Set play. Home team knows how the boards bounce. Crafty.
@@nadia0701 True, but you can't let Pasta get behind your D like that. He just blew by Marner and everyone else. Leafs were amazing at coverage all game, then in OT allow that? Zero checking on Pasta on that play.
Because they practice that set play every skate at Warrior ice arena, seen it first hand. The Leafs are Good. Someone has to lose Boys, Happy Summa!
It was a set play. Leafs were not expecting the bounce that puck had off the boards. Hey it was a terrific play where everything had to be perfect. That dump in was more impressive than the goal. Totally expected the Leafs to win this series. Very surprised at the outcome. Bruins were absolutely stymied for how many periods?
Because Mitchie "Boitano" Marner was on the ice..
⛸️🏒👗
My heart sank on the Samsonov news too.
Same here.
Why not sit marner until he decides to waive NM clause
Why not get an actual coach and see what he can do with the player before trading him. They should have done that years ago. The entire team underperforms every single playoff. I think Marner is playing bad but what the hell did the coach do about it? What was the plan? The plan was just keep failing over and over and do nothing. He didn’t have a strategy to adjust anything because nothing changed and the player was never punished for it either. This is way bigger than a single player issue. The entire team sucked every year on offense. The game scores speak for itself. And goaltending is bad every year. Every single time. Fix the goaltending and coaching and that would make the biggest difference. Marner is capable of so much more. That’s on the coach for not getting more. Aside from that the culture of accepting losing from management has been a problem. Losing every game seven and still they haven’t fired the coach or made any significant changes. Or even got a stable goaltending option.
All you have to do is look at what wins in the Playoffs. The Leafs had runs to conference finals when they had good coaching and good goaltending and decent offensive talent. The Leafs have 1 of the 3.
Trading Marner isn’t going to solve anything. They will simply be a worse team and lose even more. Just wait and see. He wasn’t the main problem here.
@@disinformationworld9378Thats why you do both...keefe and marner, and shanny, screw it
Because the regular season is where the team makes most of its money, seats are expensive and you can't bench your stars.
Hey Folks ty so much for your insightful work throughout the year much appreciated ❤
Our pleasure!
Who could have possibly known that paying 5 abysmal playoff players almost $50 million per year is not a good idea:)
If marner won’t cooperate then you play hardball with him. Someone else said it in another comment. Plop him in the third or fourth line, tank his precious regular season numbers and wait for him finally be a team player.
That would really increase his trade value.
@@floxy20 absolutely, but if you don't trade him he's walking for free. Not ideal for sure. I kinda get the idea that Toronto fans would be happy with a little revenge if they're not gonna get some decent return at least. But I guess that's why I'm not an NHL GM, just a fan that doesn't like his attitude.
Keefe has to go with anyone responsible for the power play
Can't believe someone on this panel wanted to get rid of Willie Styles over Marner, that's insane.
Getting rid of Marner isn’t the answer. The whole team never delivered in the playoffs. Now is that because every player doesn’t know how to play in the playoffs or because they had a rookie coach. PP sucked every playoff and so did the offense. If the players can’t do it for a real coach with a real goaltender in the net, then you can talk about getting rid of players. The cap management issue is a factor but this team has a simple fix: fix the coaching and fix the goaltending. Woll is not the answer if he keeps getting injured either.
It was not that insane a few years ago, it was the norm. When Nylander first got his previous contract at 6.9 after holding out, and Marner did not have a big contract yet, the main narrative was to get rid of Nylander, because he's "soft, overpaid" etc. and Marner was the one with "heart".
That last goal was on Reilly!! Sorry he had lousy season! And shitty playoffs!! He was lazy on that goal and got beat all series
I say first on Marner, second on Reilly, and third on Sammy playing it poorly. Had either one of those made a good play, goal doesn't happen. Yes, it was a good shoot in, but c'mon, you can't allow Pasta to blow by your defense like that and get at a puck sitting 5 feet from your goalie. Leafs were amazing all game covering Boston, then this.
Nope, they were playing a 1-3-1. The weak side winger is supposed to cover Pasta in that situation, that winger was Marner.
You can't blame 1 player. I mean with that logic the Leafs could have prevented themselves from being put in that kind of situation. They could have scored a couple during the 60 minute play.
true, but check out Marner at the blue line -he is equally responsible for that goal
It's on Marner, Reilly, and Samsonov. You can fix all three of those issues by trading Marner for a stronger D partner for Reilly, and using the extra cap space to sign an upgrade on Samsonov...
the only non move that can happen that might make my love for the leafs over after 63 years is if Shanahan is still president going into next season!
Thank you Norm & Mike for another year of the Convo.
The rebuilding Habs will win a playoff series before the Leafs win one. The Leafs refuse to accept the fact they are simply not built for the playoffs.
not sure why Marner is not being called out for his role in the overtime goal - clearly lost his man - Pasternak - at the blue line - should have been covered
Only a one way player. If he has to play both ways, then he will demand double.
The list of teams that are lining up to help Toronto get better still stands at zero. No one is lining up to trade for Marner.
At half the price they will..
Thanks for another year of insights!
1 guy missed 3 games with a headache, while another guy refuses to say what exactly was wrong with him, that caused him to miss 3 games. Just comical!
Thanks for doing this, gentlemen. I think norm has filled Mr. Frosts shoes well. The archive will keep me entertained until next season.
Welcome always
Putting any of the blame on Samsonov in game 7 is pure delusional and ridiculous. You need to score more than 1 goal in a knockout game and as in past playoff runs the leafs offence didn't show up when it was most needed. If you manage only to score a single goal in a game 7 you absolutely deserve to lose.
Clueless
Wol can come up with the big saved Samsonov cannot I agree with the rest of it
Samsonov COULD'VE and SHOULD'VE stopped BOTH Bruin Goals...1st One? BAD Positioning..he Was ALREADY down On His KNEES. O.T. winner? MORE Bad Positioning..WHY was he so DEEP in the Net he COULDN'T challenge "Pasternak"..PLUS were he paying Attention, he could've MAYBE Reached the "dump In" (NOT standing on the Goal Line) YOU saw the game.
@@markusdaley9587 1st goal Samsonov was screened by his own players making it hard to see. 2nd goal Marner just watched Pasta fly by him as he stared stupidly at the puck. Only a leafs fan would blame the goalie when the team only scored a single goal and 12 total in the entire series.
YES Samsonov Was Screened AND "absolutely" I ADMIT that was a WELL PLACED shot (even 'glanced' OFF his SHOULDER & the post) I Saw It..question IS, WHY was Samsonov Down EARLY on his KNEES? (Standing EVEN If He DOESN'T see the Puck..this Results In A POSITIONAL Save. (Like Jeremy Swayman made half a dozen against these SAME Maple Leafs). See My Point Now?
As a big time bright spot, some of the newer and lower paid guys really played their ass off. Treliving should double down on development where each year a spot or two is open on the roster for real competition .
Why does the guy on the left defer to the guy on the right like he’s some kind of insider. This is hilarious 😂
I will loose a Marner trade, but it has to happen IMO.
$0.70 to the dollar is the best you’re likely to get.
I disagree with the take that "you have to get something for Marner". If you can, trade him if not let him walk and keep the cap.
Listening to leafs postgames on the radio with Andy Frost and Mike calling in after almost every game was such a fun time
This is a worthy successor.
Culture of losing. Keefe lost every series except when opposing goalie couldn’t stop anything. The players underachieved every single year. That’s the coaches responsibility to get the best out of the players. The PP sucked every post season. That’s on the coaching staff. The Leafs couldn’t score every post season. That’s on the coaching. They kept giving a pass to a rookie coach who never held players accountable or made any meaningful adjustments to win a series. I also blame the team for getting bad goaltending every playoff year. The entire team underperformed which tells you it’s a coaching problem. Why shouldn’t the Leafs have a coach who actually has won the damn thing? Why keep going with a losing culture. They lose every game 7. It’s pathetic. Beyond ridiculous that this has gone on for so long. Culture of losing. Keefe should have been gone after Montreal series. Why was this coach given a pass for that? Two more years of pathetic playoff results, what did you expect? Trading Marner just makes the team worse. It won’t accomplish anything except more losing. The coaching staff failed to get the players playing to their capabilities. If a new coach cannot get results then you can say which players can stay and go. Bottom line is the entire team stank and was miserable on offense. The entire team. And please shut up about Nylander who was -11 last year. That is not a good playoff performance for goodness sakes. Problem is the fans and media can’t figure out what the real issues were. Bad coaching and bad goaltending.
When Leafs were winning game 7s what did they have? Great coaching and great goaltending. Sprinkled in offense and good defensive play. But with poor coaching nothing but failure.
At the beginning of the video, you're right. The second you mentioned the Leafs talent, you proved you drink the Kool-Aid. If you don't win, especially in the first round, your "talent" is useless. I left the Kool-Aid behind when the Leafs traded Bernie Parent back in '73. Two Stanley Cups later, I was proven right. I just come here as a Public Service Announcement. Get the NHL Center Ice package and follow real contenders, not media pretenders. FTL Nation member.
Terminations required asap:
Keefe
Coach of PP
Shanahan
Marner
Marner has been toxic to the team for a long time.
The value will be salary cap space
Mitch's contract is up next year. They are not stuck with him. Trade him for a bag of pucks and you come out ahead.
Keefe has poorly coached this team for a very long time. He overvalued Jarnkrok and Holmberg way too much. Their numbers are horrible yet they play big minutes in important positions. Holmberg is barely an nhl player, a strong breeze knocks him off the puck. Jarnkroks shooting percentage is awful or he puts in right on the goalies number's. Let him just play the penalty kill if need be. Now take a player like Robertson who produces more on less minutes. And we reward him by either sending him down or lampooning him on a 4th line.
He may not kill the penalty but the leafs have plenty of players to fill that role.
Early in the series, samsonov was getting beat easily and not able to even spot the play, yet it took a last ditch effort to put woll in.
During the season, we lost every overtime that kampf started.
His line pairings don't match north vs south skaters vs lateral skaters.
The list goes on and on.
There is no winning culture. The Leafs need a new owner that gives a f&^%. ML$E doesn't care.
The Shanaplan is a failure after 10 years. Weak D and G. Not a playoff team.
To Roger$ Communication$, ML$E and Bell, the only thing that matter$ is making profit.
Good evening Norm and Mike watching the Video LATEEEEEEEEE due to work all day non stop , But i always watch and listen ...Hope to hear from yous during the summer at times , But if not see you 2 next Oct. NEW season for the LEAFS and NEW Coach and GM and NEW Players and HOPEFULLY the Core 4 spilt and 2 GONE ...Keith Pelley will do his hardest to get rid of 2 of the Core 4 the 2 that never show up in the Playoffs 1 has 1 more season left the other is Baby Tantrum
Leafs need a Marner rehabilitation plan. First step is convince Mitch to stay with the Leafs to play his heart out - not to be treated as a God in Toronto. Step 2 is - back check covering his man until the Leafs net on the rush - even in game 7 OT. 😀
Why did Leafs let go Justin Brazeau, the Bruins centre? He seems to have some skill for a big dude and some snot to his game. Seems like another Dubas mistake.
I called it right down to the 2-1 ot loss and Pasternak scoring it before it started. I'm not the least bit surprised. I'm numb to it
You don’t need to “break up the core”. Tavares contract is gone after 1 year. They don’t have to resign him. Regardless he will be coming off the books. That leaves 3.
The reason it’s “not working” is they bring back the same coach every year when he has proven he cannot win in the playoffs. Why does scoring and PP disappear every year? What adjustments did Keefe make to score in the playoffs? Putting aside even that question: why have we never seen the Leafs play their best hockey in the post season? Trading Marner is the dumb answer. What can another coach get out of this roster. Keefe should have been let go after the Montreal series. They established a losing culture. It’s pathetic and I am sick of it.
Leafs used to win most game 7’s. Now they lose all of them. They let a rookie coach fail for how many years in a row? There is no reason the team shouldn’t have a cup winning pedigree from their coaching position. The Leafs did the best in the playoffs when their coach was a top coach. And yes, they need to address the goaltending. They have enough offense they just need to address goaltending and coaching. Defense was fine in the playoffs this year without breaking the bank.
Imagine constructing a team where the goaltending is suspect every year and the team doesn’t have a power play every playoffs every year and you have a rookie coach. And then you never fire him or fix the problems. What genius thinks this was a reasonable strategy to contend for a cup??
I was never a fan of the Tavares signing. I wanted them to keep drafting. They never drafted a blue chip defenseman since Rielly and look at how many years that burned them.
Leaf trivia: the last time the Leafs won the Cup the team photo was taken in black and white, let that sink in 🥴
The core is the problem, their rotton to the core, trading and switching players outside the problem doesn't fix it. It has to be changed, enough is enough already, Marner's gotta go.
Leafs always edging us towards the predictable anti climax. And I’m here for it. 🎉🎉🎉
Leafs power play one for 21 is unimaginable. I didn’t go far in school, but this sounds like a 5% clip. Leafs should decline penalties to preserve strength instead…and not allow for wasted creativity…
What I found interesting is that the announcers for Boston called the actual play just before the actual goal happened in OT.
I have been saying to my friend they gotta win with Wol as soon as he returned from that injury
This is an out of the box solution if Marner does not want to leave. See if he is willing to play as a top pairing defenceman. He is great on the power kill. Have him bulk up 20 30 lbs and that might be a decent solution. Resign him to a new deal as a D man.
He has the skill to be a great offensive D man.
I’m disappointed right now but I actually feel good about this team going forward with treliving as gm.
Blame the goalie when you cant score mroe than 2 goals a game.
Brilliant assessment.
Sammy kept them in the game but where were the goals? The Leafs needed to score more than 1 to win and the overtime goal from Boston - Pasta beat the whole team to score.
It's all on the offense. Ghosts. And one pp goal. 2 goals a game in 14/15 games. Matthew's one goal last ten playoff games. All chokers upfront who get passes
Brendan did not do a great job.
He burned the prime years of the most talented leaf core since the 70s
Shanahan did a lousy job 10yrs no success your spot on the prime yrs are very limited in this game with some exceptions.crosby is still a beast
I see you guys removed my comment regarding mikes earlier love for marner and defending riellys contract. I guess you guys don't like to be reminded of what you said.
Love your work gentlemen.
Much appreciated
Mitch should stick it to the Leafs and use no move clause to walk straight into Free Agency.
Even if we got 0 for Marner I still do it-Addition by subtraction. His salary can get us some really good players. Also he cost us that second goal last night-floater didn't know Pasta was around and coasted-not a PO player
What if Joseph Woll didn’t get hurt? Makes me think the outcome could have been different? I don’t think it really isn’t a stretch, to say Boston got off pretty lucky, because Woll was on a role, with that 970 save percentage. The Leafs are a cursed franchise. There’s always something that comes around and bites them.
The game ended 2-1 in overtime, it’s not Samsonov’s fault
Rats,Good stuff guys sure enjoyed you folks this last season.Looking forward to your season 7 podcast 😊
Us too!
Marner for Power
If Marner does not want to waive the no move sit him for whole season and/or boo him every time he touches the puck till he wants to move. Enough is enough, these primadonas are not above the fans who pay their salary
Riley did not have a great game -- he seemed tentative!!
Hope is Marner wants to go somewhere for his own good.
Sad way to end the season, but hopefully this leads to massive, needed changes.
My expectations were quite low so this really isn't that big a deal. This summer they need to fix a long list of issues.
Better luck next year. Good series.
Good luck O6H
It's pretty easy guys, how they played the last 3 games, but with better players, minus a softy or two in the core 4, and you get to the conference finals every year. And maybe one cup before Mike croaks. Also, getting them to waive is easy, have them call any of the other smart Canadian players that refuse to play in Toronto. And they'll change their tune quickly.
I bet Bettman told the leafs that they couldn't play Woll. So in with Sammy, and I knew they were done. Plus they put Matthews back in, and I knew they were done.
It was not Sammy, s FAULT. Morgan Reilly and Marner.
HEY BOYZ, its been awhile! ...Samsonov was a dope, he should have came out and knock the puck away!...But oh well, I'm just fed up man!...There needs to be changes, but knowing the Leafs, nothing much will be done!
Blaming the goalie and defense like every year is a joke. The core four couldn’t score to save their lives 1/21 on PP is the reason they got eliminated. Choke city lives on
there is one way for leafs run this group back. i know it would never happen but fire keefe and bring in mike keenan just for this one season and see if he could light a fire under their butts with his ruthlessness
How is the Shanaplan and Tree Living plan working out now?
The Leafs aren't built for the playoffs. They are better suited to serve up waffles at the IHOP.
My favourite time of year! Live for Leafs misery. Oh well boys at least you got the Knights here in London. Sent Saginaw packin, GO KNIGHTS GO.
Leafs fans need to get out of the Toronto media bubble to get an honest assessment of their team
Shanny bought into PR boy for too long, but bringing in Tree is a good move towards new direction. I don't Shanny needs to go, just Marner and Tavares back at $4 mil or less and not as Captain. One more year of tinkering before real change can come. No offers on the table for Marner before end of next year's playoffs, last show me chance even it means just letting him walk. If they can get something for him great, if not saving the $12mil ask is worth savings...
Leaf fans are the same as Cub fans before they won another World Series--ie over 100 years....Expect to Lose Forever!
Imagine Mitch setting up bedard
It was 2 to 1 and you blame Sammy who is a back up on any other team.lol,you can't get anything but cap space if you dump these guy's. Marner can get you in the playoffs though but then he's just a figure skater in the playoffs.You gotta dump and get free agents.
Don’t resign Bertuzzi, give Marner away if you have to, Brodie gone…that’s $20mi
Add Sammy and your at $24-25 mil
That’s a near complete rebuild right there
Fire the coaches and go from there
I remember watching Don Cheery's Bruins go down year after year to the Canadians. I was a hard core Leaf fan but I felt so bad for the Bruins who had a great team, problem was the Canadians were better. The Bruins were not better than the Leafs this year but won again. When your big boys don't produce and you have almost no depth scoring you cannot win. So you spend no money/high draft picks on goaltending and then bitch about goaltending insanity sets in. Canucks had three goaltenders who won at least once in their series with the Preds and their third stringer closed it out. You don't score goals with half your cap tied to goal scoring a change is needed. I would change the coaching, retain half the salary on their captain if he will move in his last year and maybe trade Marner if the price is right and he agrees to go.
I think Ron Maclean should say that Samsonov should be deported.
lol why are ppl acting like ppl with no move claus can’t be traded they get traded all the time lmao. Marner will be traded don’t know what Mike is talking about
Trade Samsonov and Marner for Ulmark. Get some grit on the blue line. 4 of 6 defenceman were negative. And for goodness sake get the powerplay working
A part of me is thinking that Marner, Matthews, and Nylander will all win Stanley Cups... somewhere else.
I look forward to your offseason pods.
That is the Leafs way.
See you soon
Quinville will not coach in the NHL again. Leafs do not need this baggage. Leafs need a strong systems coach like Vancouver did. The GM has been changed the mistake was resigning Keith. Allow the GM to select the next coach. Mathews short term contract means he may have to get traded instead of Marner. But allow the new GM to build this team.
Carolina offered 5 peices for Nylander.
Matthew's came back and basically played on one leg and got it done.
Willie Styles came back and led the team in goals and got it done.
Marner played the whole series and got what done? Nothing, and word is this Joker Choker wants 14m per on his next deal. Gimme a break.
Blaming Samsonov.... is hilarious. This team has high priced talent and went 1-for-21 on the power play.
You guys deserve what you get.
The person who gave long term contracts & big money should be fired
Ilya TRASHONOV
3:14 sadly true.
Have to comment, Boston didn’t have the fire power Toronto has. They won with Heart!
They don’t play the game on paper, but on the ice. The lack of a power play, and players not stepping up was the problem.
They should be thankful they lost anyway, Florida is going to have their way with Boston, but would of destroyed the Leafs.
Now lastly, The Wings will win a cup before Toronto, for sure… LGRW…
They need to trade Marner or Tavares and get a #1 goalie and a #1 defenseman. A player like a Duncan Keith or a Victor Hedman. You don't have to completely revamp the team. With a few additions they can be a contender.
Yak, yak, yak…a bounce here or there and Toronto moves on to the next round…only to loose (as will Boston) to Florida.
You're not going to get full value for them? 🤨 You don't know that.
NO...Shanahan hasnt done his job. They can't get by the first round. How has he done his job when his job is to get this team to play for a cup? Shanahan. Keefe. Mariner..and Riley GONE
Thats the bare minimum
The leafs have zero grit. Play like they have no desire to win.
Let's run it back once more. I'm not quite convinced they can't get it done.
I'd let Bertuzzi walk as he's just too expensive
Leafs need a goalie
Leafs need a minute eating number 1 D man
Leafs need to rework the D
Let's stand up and clap for Knies. He's a lunch bucket player!
Nylander is consistently a good playoff performer. Plus, I love that he called out Marner
Resign Domi. He's a pest and can play
Wasting another year of Matthews contract isn't a good move. Time to ask Marner for a list of teams
Not much they can do about Tavares at this point. One more season and his hit comes off the books.
I think it time to move on from Shanahan. One series win in 9 tries just isn't good enough.
Give Keefe a pat on the back and a boot out the door.
No reason to move on from Treliving. He literally had a month to make club changing decisions. At the least, we know he wants more snot and this year we could really see a difference with this.
You cant blame goaltending on a topheavy team that doesnt produce come playoffs.
Mathews averages less than a point a game come playoffs. Inexcusable. Marner cant disappear quick enough. Captain invisible... none of them played well enough. Complete disappointment.