Glad I'm not the only one who has fits with trying to get the minutia of a fabrication straight in my head. I hope you include your complete setup description when you do the welding video. (not the actual SETUP, but the wire size, gas type, voltage and speed.) As well as anything else you feel like mentioning. I just love welding.
Lyle, I'm myself a retired mechanical engineer and have on occasion had to make presentations to people all over the world, Israel, the Netherlands and South Africa are some of the more memorable once that come to mind. And I also had to sit through hours listening to others doing the same thing. But I have been watching your videos for some years now and it does not matter how basic some of your presented subjects are, I have never fast-forwarded or found them to be not worth watching. You have that rare gift of being a captive speaker and that's a gift very few people have, and in those I must sadly include myself. Having done most of my schooling in the era when the slide rule and the reference library still cried king, I found it testing, having to try and keep pace with the rapid advancement of information technology and must confess it was more of a curse than a blessing, from my personal point of view at the time. But then seeing how a retired teacher like yourself can use it now to keep sharing your knowledge, not to a few in a classroom but to thousands of people young and old, makes me count my blessing to still be alive to see a technology that can be used by millions and have them benefit from the knowledge of people like yourself, who still will unselfishly give up so many hours of their time to share whatever gift they have, in a way that only yesterday was just not possible! I lament the fact, never having had the pleasure of meeting you in person. I actually drove past the town you live in some 30 odd years ago on a visit to the US! Thanks for sharing, you are a great man in many small ways. Keep those videos coming for as long as you can.Bless you, man.
That is one impressive wielding shop. When I went to high school, there were two or perhaps three wielding stations, 2 smaller lathes, one large one, one milling machine, one box and pan brake, one sheer, one bandsaw, and a metal spinning lathe. Everything else was hand tools.
Mr. Pete, I've made thousands of guards in my life of all shapes and sizes. I always had the proper rollers to do the job. We would call what you did as "bumping". I used that technique a lot for making cones and odd shaped transitions like square to rounds or rectangle to rounds, etc. Just a tip for you....if you took the strip of 14 ga. and simply bent it over a suitable piece of anything round like bar stock or tubing that was smaller than the finished size. For a 6" diameter, just use something about 4"-5" in diameter and over bend it. As you tack it in place, starting at a spot on the straight, you just pull the curved section into place and tack it. Once metal is overbent (slightly that is), it pulls back much easier than trying to pull it in and tack it. If you were using heavier stock like say 3/16" or 1/4" then bumping would be the way to go too. Even when I rolled parts like that, they were always overbent ever so slightly and pulled into place as you tacked the parts together. One side note too, all of my fabrications were made to +/- 1/64". All parts were calculated out and cut exactly to size with no long tails that were trimmed off later. There are formulas to figure all that stuff out and eliminate the guess work associated with your method. This one might be helpful to some.... To figure out the length of a radius section is as follows. The mean (centerline) of the of the radius times the number of degrees times .01745 (constant). To use your guard as an example for the large end.... 6" radius minus .037" (centerline of material) equals 5.963" times 200 degrees of a circle (in guessing at the degrees because I don't have the layout in front of me) times .01745 = 20.811" (the length of the radius section tangent to tangent). Let me know if this helps you on your next project or if I thoroughly confused you.
Jeff, Have you every though about making Bolens Ride-a-Matic Belt guards. I have been looking for a 1956 or 1957 Belt guard to restore my garden tractor with no luck. There is a high demand for them, if interested. Let me know. tjl@zoominternet.net
Lyle Peterson...Please digress all you want....You are a pleasure to watch before I start work....I will be installing a simple disc brake on my 1937 LeBlond lathe soon....( without hurting or permanently modifying the lathe )....I am still using the lathe in production in a small shop....Old LeBlond lathes are tough and user friendly....I always look forward to your next presentation.... >>DON'T SLOW DOWN
If I recall correctly, in the metalworking school I went to the shielding gas bottles were outside in a cage and the gas was brought through pipes to the welding machines. I think that would be easier for the gas deliverers and maybe a bit safer too.
I recently went to my high school and it was so sad to see that they had removed all the machines for wood,metal,and small engine repair -they don't even offer class's anymore-I walked into the old large metal shop room that is now used for storage or to build scene props for the drama class. I haven't been in that room since 1982 but I could still kind of smell the cutting fluid and other oils that we used- probably all just in my head lol but still made me sad
This will be helpful to me for my Maxi bike project. I need to fashion a chain guard for the drive chain so my China made Levi's don't get tangled up in the chain and tear my leg off. I still have a horrible scar on my left leg from 50 years when my Sears Allstate moped tried to eat me. Enjoyed your video. It is sad schools nowadays rarely offer any type of classes working and making things with wood and metal. No auto shop either. We have become a nation of battery dependent dummies if you know what i mean ?
great start to your project. That reminds me, I need to make a belt guard for my South Bend Lathe. I was very interested in how you made yours. Just a note, a tangent line to a circle, is always 90° from the Center point of the circle. it should only need to touch one point of the circle. If the line is extended past the point of contact, a non-tangent line will always cross two points of the circle. It will enter one point and then go out at another point of the circle. that is if the line touches the circle at all.
glad to see they have a nice shop to learn in.....do they have a machine shop too, where they teach working on lathes and such like you have in yours? it's rare to find a HS that has ANY industrial arts programs anymore.....
Made one from a sheet of steel that i pounded with a soft hammer over a piece of formed wood. Man it was a pain in the bee hind to make, this method seems tons easier.
hello there back in my teens when I used to be a fitter welders helper I used to have to make some build guards and it was done by hand your plate or you have centers to centers the circles was wrong just like you did on the half moon radius a center line was drawn on your Shield or your Halfmoon your thin piece of metal short piece that you have a center line was drawn centerline's was matched buy one hand you hold your metal where it's 90 degrees from one another give yourself a tack let it cool the other hand will pull metal just a little bit before him that part Circle given attack let it cool keep doing this and everything will line up in the center then you can repeat the same method on the opposite side it's like everything else think outside the box and practice
I've noticed that a few people spell gauge (or gage) as guage. Guage is used in the word Language but does not represent the word for a tool that measures pressure or voltage or amperage etc. When I was young and was trying to read The Red Badge of Courage, and could not get past the word 'since' and that was in the first paragraph. I never did finish that book.
Wow, the nearest school to my home has all but dropped any sort of engineering/machinist metalwork teaching. They have retained a somewhat reduced woodworking facility however which is something i guess. All the metalworking machines and actual building have gone and across the entire country i live in the chance to do Adult Night classes has ceased completely.... I learned all my basic metalworking and machine operating skills in those Night Classes a few years back as an adult at my local school. Every Night course was always over subscribed but for some crazy reason the Govt of the day felt it a huge saving to cease with Shop Teaching nationally.... and it truly worries me.
ive got an atlas 9 inch, it has no guards at all, the pulleys are all up on top of the the head stock.... thing must have been designed to kill hippies in the future.
I'll bet Ed white assumed full responsibility for his mistake and NEVER sued anyone for his own negligence! That was when "men were men" and owned up to their own actions rather than blaming someone else.
@@Golo1949 Yes I assume plasma cutter, most affordable metal cutting CNC machine. After that water, then laser. As you say water MIGHT just be in reach of some rich school districts. probably not laser.
I asked a co worker who was missing a digit how it happened He said he put it on a chopping block and dared his brother when they were kids Guess a brother could be just as dangerous as a machine with out a guard
+Rosario W You can make a series of words *bold* or _italic_ or -crossed out- by surrounding them with asterisks, underscores or hyphens respectively. So if you need a hyphen/dash - add a space both sides of it - like this.
+Rosario W I discovered why YT does this to our comments.... if you put a hyphen (-) close spaced at either end of a group of words, YT will show those words as 'struck through'. I fell foul of this twice before I discovered why :o) Solution is to space your hyphens by one space or more from words, then they appear as you intended....hope that helps.
I hope the students in this High School understand how fortunate they are. That shop is exceptional.
A real blast from the past Mr. Pete. You Tube suggested this video and yes I enjoyed tour as well. Now off to see part two.
Glad I'm not the only one who has fits with trying to get the minutia of a fabrication straight in my head.
I hope you include your complete setup description when you do the welding video. (not the actual SETUP, but the wire size, gas type, voltage and speed.) As well as anything else you feel like mentioning. I just love welding.
Lyle, I'm myself a retired mechanical engineer and have on occasion had to make presentations to people all over the world, Israel, the Netherlands and South Africa are some of the more memorable once that come to mind. And I also had to sit through hours listening to others doing the same thing. But I have been watching your videos for some years now and it does not matter how basic some of your presented subjects are, I have never fast-forwarded or found them to be not worth watching. You have that rare gift of being a captive speaker and that's a gift very few people have, and in those I must sadly include myself. Having done most of my schooling in the era when the slide rule and the reference library still cried king, I found it testing, having to try and keep pace with the rapid advancement of information technology and must confess it was more of a curse than a blessing, from my personal point of view at the time. But then seeing how a retired teacher like yourself can use it now to keep sharing your knowledge, not to a few in a classroom but to thousands of people young and old, makes me count my blessing to still be alive to see a technology that can be used by millions and have them benefit from the knowledge of people like yourself, who still will unselfishly give up so many hours of their time to share whatever gift they have, in a way that only yesterday was just not possible! I lament the fact, never having had the pleasure of meeting you in person. I actually drove past the town you live in some 30 odd years ago on a visit to the US! Thanks for sharing, you are a great man in many small ways. Keep those videos coming for as long as you can.Bless you, man.
The tour of your former work place was very nice.
Nice welding shop! Every high school should have something like that.
Great shop,it's great to know You taught there,left your mark and made it better with your knowledge. Thanks
That is one impressive wielding shop. When I went to high school, there were two or perhaps three wielding stations, 2 smaller lathes, one large one, one milling machine, one box and pan brake, one sheer, one bandsaw, and a metal spinning lathe. Everything else was hand tools.
Mr. Pete, I've made thousands of guards in my life of all shapes and sizes. I always had the proper rollers to do the job. We would call what you did as "bumping". I used that technique a lot for making cones and odd shaped transitions like square to rounds or rectangle to rounds, etc. Just a tip for you....if you took the strip of 14 ga. and simply bent it over a suitable piece of anything round like bar stock or tubing that was smaller than the finished size. For a 6" diameter, just use something about 4"-5" in diameter and over bend it. As you tack it in place, starting at a spot on the straight, you just pull the curved section into place and tack it. Once metal is overbent (slightly that is), it pulls back much easier than trying to pull it in and tack it. If you were using heavier stock like say 3/16" or 1/4" then bumping would be the way to go too. Even when I rolled parts like that, they were always overbent ever so slightly and pulled into place as you tacked the parts together. One side note too, all of my fabrications were made to +/- 1/64". All parts were calculated out and cut exactly to size with no long tails that were trimmed off later. There are formulas to figure all that stuff out and eliminate the guess work associated with your method. This one might be helpful to some.... To figure out the length of a radius section is as follows. The mean (centerline) of the of the radius times the number of degrees times .01745 (constant). To use your guard as an example for the large end.... 6" radius minus .037" (centerline of material) equals 5.963" times 200 degrees of a circle (in guessing at the degrees because I don't have the layout in front of me) times .01745 = 20.811" (the length of the radius section tangent to tangent). Let me know if this helps you on your next project or if I thoroughly confused you.
+Jeff Silence ; Here is a man who really does know what he is talking about !
+Englishman French Thank-you, sir.
+Jeff Silence I've always under bent then pulled it in...I'll have to try this. Thanks for the tips (and math).
Jeff, Have you every though about making Bolens Ride-a-Matic Belt guards. I have been looking for a 1956 or 1957 Belt guard to restore my garden tractor with no luck. There is a high demand for them, if interested. Let me know. tjl@zoominternet.net
I enjoyed watching the start of the guard and the school tour.
Mr. Pete, I just wanted to say I enjoy your videos. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. Cheers.
Thanks
Mr Pete that High School Welding Shop had as many if not more welders in it than my local TAFE College Welding Shop.
Quite the welding shop, wish I had the opportunity to attend classes in that shop.
Just on time ! I have to make one for my horizontal band saw. Thanks.
I do too!
I do too! LOL! I suspect we all may have the same type of band saw!
Lyle Peterson...Please digress all you want....You are a pleasure to watch before I start work....I will be installing a simple disc brake on my 1937 LeBlond lathe soon....( without hurting or permanently modifying the lathe )....I am still using the lathe in production in a small shop....Old LeBlond lathes are tough and user friendly....I always look forward to your next presentation.... >>DON'T SLOW DOWN
Wow , what a nice shop !
That's a really nice welding shop!
The faceted appearance of the guard will look just fine.
Turning wheels have cost me a lot of sleep. :)
interesting to see the shool shop, best we get here in the UK now is a glue gun. looking forward to part two.
it look good I wish I could have a shop techer like you I would have not miss a class
If I recall correctly, in the metalworking school I went to the shielding gas bottles were outside in a cage and the gas was brought through pipes to the welding machines. I think that would be easier for the gas deliverers and maybe a bit safer too.
I recently went to my high school and it was so sad to see that they had removed all the machines for wood,metal,and small engine repair -they don't even offer class's anymore-I walked into the old large metal shop room that is now used for storage or to build scene props for the drama class. I haven't been in that room since 1982 but I could still kind of smell the cutting fluid and other oils that we used- probably all just in my head lol but still made me sad
This will be helpful to me for my Maxi bike project. I need to fashion a chain guard for the drive chain so my China made Levi's don't get tangled up in the chain and tear my leg off. I still have a horrible scar on my left leg from 50 years when my Sears Allstate moped tried to eat me. Enjoyed your video. It is sad schools nowadays rarely offer any type of classes working and making things with wood and metal. No auto shop either. We have become a nation of battery dependent dummies if you know what i mean ?
great start to your project.
That reminds me, I need to make a belt guard for my South Bend Lathe. I was very interested in how you made yours.
Just a note, a tangent line to a circle, is always 90° from the Center point of the circle. it should only need to touch one point of the circle. If the line is extended past the point of contact, a non-tangent line will always cross two points of the circle. It will enter one point and then go out at another point of the circle. that is if the line touches the circle at all.
glad to see they have a nice shop to learn in.....do they have a machine shop too, where they teach working on lathes and such like you have in yours? it's rare to find a HS that has ANY industrial arts programs anymore.....
Wow... that is an amazingly well equipped high school shop.
Made one from a sheet of steel that i pounded with a soft hammer over a piece of formed wood. Man it was a pain in the bee hind to make, this method seems tons easier.
Those students had you as a teacher for weeks and have no idea that some of us who follow you on RUclips would PAY for that experience!
love your videos keep them coming
Now I have put another $5000 in tools on my wish list starting with that brake.
Good Morning Mr. Pete.
Thats a nice metal shop. I guess my school district spent its money on computers.
thanks video .
.gotta do this for old chraftsmann bandsaw.....just in case
murphys law
THANK YOU...for sharing.
Don't feel lonesome, Mr. Pete, I'm 68 years old and the words "gauge" and "guard" still confuse me, to this day! Treetop
+TreeTop1947
Me too. I never get "gauge" correct the first time.
+Paul Culbert LOL! Maybe one day...
hello there back in my teens when I used to be a fitter welders helper I used to have to make some build guards and it was done by hand your plate or you have centers to centers the circles was wrong just like you did on the half moon radius a center line was drawn on your Shield or your Halfmoon your thin piece of metal short piece that you have a center line was drawn centerline's was matched buy one hand you hold your metal where it's 90 degrees from one another give yourself a tack let it cool the other hand will pull metal just a little bit before him that part Circle given attack let it cool keep doing this and everything will line up in the center then you can repeat the same method on the opposite side it's like everything else think outside the box and practice
hahah I nearly peed myself laughing when you said guard was hard to spell.. I have the same issue with that word and 'tongue'!
I've noticed that a few people spell gauge (or gage) as guage. Guage is used in the word Language but does not represent the word for a tool that measures pressure or voltage or amperage etc. When I was young and was trying to read The Red Badge of Courage, and could not get past the word 'since' and that was in the first paragraph. I never did finish that book.
+Doug Rundell You missed a good read.
GREAT VIDEO !
IF SHAFT DIAMETERS ARE THE SAME , THEN MEASURE TOP OF " A" TO TOP OF " B " =
EXACT CENTER TO CENTER .
Thanks for sharing sir...
Great video
ooh great! I just bought a Logan lathe, love your videos on em!!
Belt guard? I didn't know trucks had brakes until I had my second child.
Ha Ha , I have that problem with guard.
I see you are knowledgeable in AAD. Analog Aided Design. Otherwise known as a shipping carton layout tool.
Guard, you and me both... You must spell by sound like me.
Wow, the nearest school to my home has all but dropped any sort of engineering/machinist metalwork teaching. They have retained a somewhat reduced woodworking facility however which is something i guess. All the metalworking machines and actual building have gone and across the entire country i live in the chance to do Adult Night classes has ceased completely.... I learned all my basic metalworking and machine operating skills in those Night Classes a few years back as an adult at my local school. Every Night course was always over subscribed but for some crazy reason the Govt of the day felt it a huge saving to cease with Shop Teaching nationally.... and it truly worries me.
ive got an atlas 9 inch, it has no guards at all, the pulleys are all up on top of the the head stock.... thing must have been designed to kill hippies in the future.
I'll bet Ed white assumed full responsibility for his mistake and NEVER sued anyone for his own negligence! That was when "men were men" and owned up to their own actions rather than blaming someone else.
I before e except after c ...and a bunch of exceptions..
OK plasma cutter. I was gonna say, there's a high school that has a laser cutter that can do steel? wow! CNC plasma is cool too though.
Water jet can cut anything, fantastic piece of equipment, I doubt a school could afford one though.
@@Golo1949 Yes I assume plasma cutter, most affordable metal cutting CNC machine. After that water, then laser. As you say water MIGHT just be in reach of some rich school districts. probably not laser.
I asked a co worker who was missing a digit how it happened
He said he put it on a chopping block and dared his brother when they were kids
Guess a brother could be just as dangerous as a machine with out a guard
Wow
Like "gage" and "gauge"...
Mmmm I don't get why my post have lines thru it ? must be some words are not allowed ???? -I'll just stop posting
+Rosario W You can make a series of words *bold* or _italic_ or -crossed out- by surrounding them with asterisks, underscores or hyphens respectively. So if you need a hyphen/dash - add a space both sides of it - like this.
+Rosario W I discovered why YT does this to our comments.... if you put a hyphen (-) close spaced at either end of a group of words, YT will show those words as 'struck through'. I fell foul of this twice before I discovered why :o) Solution is to space your hyphens by one space or more from words, then they appear as you intended....hope that helps.
noakeswalker Thanks I appreciate the help. I'll give it a try and see what happens - I am not good with punctuation (or spelling for that matter lol)
+Rosario W If I do a test here..... - spaces used here - -no spaces used here- (hope this works after all this !)
Yes I think that was it my friend! I just left a comment and it seemed to be fine Thanks again