Col. Larry Wilkerson: NATO Doomed - Ukraine Collapsing - Hezbollah Set to Crush & Humiliate Israel
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Col. (ret.) Lawrence Wilkerson's last positions in government were as Secretary of State Colin Powell's Chief of Staff (2002-05), Associate Director of the State Department's Policy Planning staff under the directorship of Ambassador Richard N. Haass, and member of that staff responsible for East Asia and the Pacific, political-military and legislative affairs (2001-02).
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Before serving at the State Department, Wilkerson served 31 years in the U.S. Army. During that time, he was a member of the faculty of the U.S. Naval War College (1987 to 1989), Special Assistant to General Powell when he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1989-93), and Director and Deputy Director of the U.S. Marine Corps War College at Quantico, Virginia (1993-97). Wilkerson retired in 1997 and began work as an advisor to General Powell. He has also taught national security affairs at the George Washington University.
Never get tired of listening to Col. Larry Wilkerson. So informative and thoughtful.
Dear Col.Wilkerson, I am sitting here across the pond, alone, clapping enthusiastically as you say you will be at the Netanjahu protest! Wish I could join you and THOUSANDS of other fellow Americans! Thank you and Godspeed!
I'm sitting in Canada doing the same thing, clapping for humanity! Thx Col.
@@PaulAmbrose-bo7zq Happy for the company!
Col. Wilkerson, great as usual! 👍🏻
OUTSTANDING
Great Guest Nima !! Larry is a wonderfully enlightening analyst Thank you
God Bless you Col. Larry Wilkerson I wish I could protest with you. Sending love respect and thanks from the UK.
This guy really knows his stuff. Excellent guest
Got to respect Colonel Wilkerson, a great man.
Nord Stream 2 was an act of war which should and hopefully 'will' be addressed.
It wont because Biden is to frail to stand trial. Thats why the deep state chose him.. even if he was held accountable he couldnt be tried in a court of law, just like the classified documents case he got off on.
Outstanding analysis from Col Wilkerson. Nothing but the truth. Objective, based on facts, and with a realistic knowledge of people, individuals and idiosyncracies. Much appreciated 🙏
Thanks for the info colonel Wilkerson
Israel relies on US like a beggar. The Lebanese rely on courage like true warriors.
Love the Lebanese people. Served there in early 80s. Lovely people ❤
Beggar? Hmm! I know this short Ukrainian guy on steroids who always wears the same khaki green-colored clothes everywhere and has some interesting piano antics.....wonder if there's a connection.
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same ideology !!
Millon dollar Question, when will they stop killing each other,1.2 millon in Syria, 400.000 Libya, 400.000 Egypt, the only people Arabs hate more then jews,are other Arabs,period
Sad for Lebanon, but they have been taken over by Hezbollah and have become just a tool used by Iran to attack Israel. Iran does not care if Lebanon is destroyed. Israel wants peace with Lebanon. But Iran and Hezbollah will decide, if they start a war that will see Lebanon burned to the ground.
Col Wilkerson is fantastic! Thank you Col Wilkerson, what you say gives hope!
Never in my whole live I could have predicted Europe to have become such a dangerous warmonger. Yes, You are absolutely right, Col Wilkerson , we, the real Europeans are not the warmongers and all we need is to live in normal, stable countries, where the wealth comes from our hard work, not from wars, where others gave their lives for our 'elites' to be rich. I am truly disgusted with it. Thank You, Nima, Col. Wilkerson for this very truthful and pragmatic stream. B.R.
Just like the US you’re are owned by the Ziocons
Thanks. I always enjoy Col Wilkerson's perspective and also the manner in which he brings it across. ❤❤❤🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
NATO is not a defensive alliance. They illegally bombed Yugoslavia (direct violation of the UN Charter). We must never forget what they did to Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria...
And you forgot we annexed first Serbian republic Kosovo for centuries to Albana and mand there our NATO base.
'Defensive' alliance?? NATO has NEVER been attacked, yet has often (as you point out) attacked others, which were no threat to it.
@@davidwright8432 America's minor league Team.
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@@davidwright8432 It is right. NATO is a typical offensive organization and behaves according to MAFIA's rules.
The proxy war in Ukraine is the first time NATO has tried to pick on someone their own size and NATO is getting humiliated...
Our wounder weapons do not work plus are expensive look leopard 10-15 millions shoot by old RU technology T-72 cost less than 100 000 or with this new equipment little more.
Same size? 🤔
@@_munkykok_ I am sure he is referring to troop size, not geographical size !
@@AnthonyJones-vk6xq In reality, it's the whole West ganging up on Russia. (...and losing, thankfully.) #Shame
As in Chechnya Putin will only take a decade to free Ukraine from NATO and then start another decade of counterinsurgency to protect the Holy Russian Settler Colony Federation from NATO aggression.
There is no better living diplomat than Sergej Lavrov.
There are no East Asian diplomats greater than him, none from Central Asia, none from Southern Asia, none from the Middle East, none from North Africa, none from sub-Saharan Africa, none from South America, none from Central America, definitely none from North America, Europe or Oceania.
Every time I see a Western "diplomat", it's like seeing a Rock Hyrax trying to act as an elephant.
Besides being a superb diplomat he is a decent human being, very unlike many US warmongers and money grabbers!
Indian Foreign Minister is very good also.@@alleskomtgoed
100% true 👍
1000% Right
What the US Dept of State calls "diplomacy," others would call 'provocation.'
31 minute mark. When the US gave Zelensky missiles to use on Russia, Putin said he would give missiles to US enemies . It wasn't any secret.
Its Turnabout and it is Fairplay, Though, in Turn All is Fair in Love and War. War is Love and Love is Fair. Turn, turn Turn. (Kamala Harris pholilosophy)
God bless Col. Larry Wilkerson. He sees the reality with clear sense. He gives me hope that in the USA are still responsible individuals acting.
Col Larry 80 years old,I would follow him anywhere!
Hope you are straight
Like unjustly invading Iraq based on false allegations of WMD?
"Wilkerson played a role in preparing US Secretary of State Colin Powell’s presentation in 2003 at the United Nations in making the case for a military invasion of Iraq."
He has already repented for those actions and sadly cannot undo it. But he has shown that he has learned from those mistakes, unlike many of his compatriots.
I have realised that NATO is the most recent face of the European Old World colonial empires.
Absolutely Correct.
Absolutely true while we the people have moved on. Some other analyst decided that they are all motivated by grift. Why else destroy their own nations, which is exactly what they are doing? Lavrov, as the Colonel said, is a genius and all other "diplomats" should cringe in shame.
They're called Gog and Magog.
If you consider the US the current representative of European colonialism, which it is, then yes...
Anglo Saxon Barbarians
Trying in vain to dominate the world.
Pathetic.
The greatest threat to an Empire of lies is the truth!
The colonel is the best speaker on this channel!
Col.Lawrence Wilkerson would make great US Secretary
@ColWilkerson, excellent analysis! You seem so charged up, and I think if you could, you would go and slap some sense into all these warmongers and tell them to stand down and sit on a table and negotiate peace. You're the best!
Wonderful image!!
Great comments both of you !!
Great channel. Awesome host. Fantastic guests. I could listen to Col. Larry Wilkerson all day.
Col. Wilkerson is a necessary voice on geo-politics. It's a shame the neocons will never get the message. Thank you, Nima, for another great interview.
The 5000-year-old collective wisdom of the "East" compared to the 250-year-old arrogance of America : an upstart brat telling a revered elder how he should behave. It boggles the rational mind.
And in five thousand years the middle king has not looked up from its navel.
Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity.
In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of people were burned alive). Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.
If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.
Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.
Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time
Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns.
20th September, 2021: Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO
NATO is not a defensive alliance. NATO illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).
We should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?
Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.
Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland.
Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed.
Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens-theirs will hide in the basements”.
Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre. The whole world needs to know about it.
Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country.
Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. 13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list.
Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Maté (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list.
There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence).
The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.
Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave.
Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P.
The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).
The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter.
I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment. I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion.
I have provided a brief summary of events that took place. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.
Hopefully someone will write an UNBIASED book, stating facts and allowing the readers to form their own judgments. Everything I said can be fact checked and verified.
Excellent 👍
Thanks for this informative timeline
Well said. Great summary.
Thanks, keep posting this.
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I agree 100% with everything said here.
Russia defeating NATO is nothing but humility and thoughtfulness defeating arrogance and recklessness. Point blank...
Beautiful analyses
Beautiful analyses
ruSSia ❄️ has been a punchline for 3 years 😂😂😂
@@joelturley4847 but the first not to be cowboy land's punchbag....suck it up.
@@joelturley4847 Hmm... Russia was punching fascist EU for 5 years from 1941 to 1945. So What ? Russia always won.
I hope that one day I'll have the clarity of mind of Larry W.
He is a special man God bless him.
It would not happen without his hands on experience.
Geee I love the Colonel...he spits out truths and facts that are boiling up inside my head and voices them...what a relief!! Nima, keep going with the channel...fantastic job ... sharing your channel everywhere I can.
adore your Guests Thank You so much
What a brilliant guest as always!
❤ Great Episode And Great Guest 👈🎥👀. 🤠🇨🇦
Col. Wilkerson, we will be with you in spirit during your upcoming protest in DC. We also will be looking out for accurate reporting on that day, July 24. Please stay safe. Thank you for being on the side of moral good.😊
Cooperation means prosperity, war means death, destruction and decay.
Per Ynet, 'Israel' admits to substantial tank, personnel losses in Gaza: The Israeli occupation forces admit that they have suffered heavy losses in Gaza as they were explaining why women could not be included in some brigades.
Thanks for this high-quality guest and analysis😊
Nima, thank you so much for your keeping us up to date with your great guests. Thanks, Col. Wilkerson, for your knowledge and conviction.
one of the best interviewers out there. and the guest of course is an outstanding analyst as well!
Europe couldn't stop Russia in Ukraine with large land borders. How could Europe hope to stop China in Taiwan thousands of Kilometres away just off the coast of China? Also what will the Russian and North Korean submarine forces do in a war in the Pacific?
If you didn't notice. Europe don't have independence, at east yeat. And that's what he's talking about. In perfect world Europe could apply pressure on US and Russia could do it to China to resolve that conflict peacefully.
@@murmurlock779 What perfect world are you referring? How exactly could Europeans put pressure on the US, the perfect world where Europe has troops stationed in the US? Also why would Russia put pressure on China to give up territory internationally recognised as a part of China?
@@seeker2118 1.sanctions, war threats (they do have nukes and fleet), also media war. 2. To stop ww3 and nuclear Armageddon?
Thank you Nima and Col Wilkerson always good to listen to you
Great video. Master class from Larry on global politics and warfare. Congratulations Nima for your honest and wonderfully informative show
Thank you Nima for your great guests. I immediatly click on your channel when you pop up! I love Colonel Wilkeron, and wish that he, Scott Ritter and Larry C. Johnson could be in the US government. They are so aware of what is going on in the world, and could lead America to sucess, instead of blindly following izrahell, and waging wars on everyone in the world. God bless you all.👍🙏💖💖💖🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪
Love the Colonel, for his humanity and truthfulness
Col. Larry Wilkerson is a military analyst who understand that the policy of hostility and confrontation may be the end of the Western alliance or perhaps the end of civilization. Take my word, I have come close to die and I try to teach my children not to go in life making some fatal mistakes that drive you from whatever place we came from. I suppose that the reason for this war is over political reason and economic supremacy. Thanks again Mr. Nima Alkhorshid for bringing in a true American Patriot. My respect to both of you! God have mercy 🙏🏻
Really excellent discussion.
Thanks for the great content once again God you col. Larry Wilkinson
Thanks!
Never forget the UK/EU survives on enormous money washing through Kiev constantly. Once Kiev falls, no more EU and UK bankrupt. Mark my words.
WorldPeaceDeclaration NOW
⚔️✨ Truth is Unacceptable in the Kingdom of Lies ✨⚔️
🙏🏿🌹 YHVH...be with you!!! 🌹🙏🏿
Col. Larry Wilkerson is fantastic. He serves to tell us we once had solid minds in our military. Now, not so much.
Thanks from Germany for this analysis. ❤
When you have people like the colonel on here you should listen twice to get full benefit👌
Larry's last words really sum up US Policy. Listen to his very last words.
❤Mr Wilkerson your information about this horrible situation was excellent as always. Thank you. O. S.
Always good to hear the wisdom of Col. Wilkerson. Thanks
Colonel Wilkerson, I love you! You're the very best analyst of past history as it applies today and tomorrow. Thank you for the books you recommend. I just found a copy of Peter Frankopan's books about the Silk Road. Thank you Nima for bringing Larry to us on a regular basis.
Brilliant!❤❤ Thank you for helping us understand the truth. 👏👏👏👏
An excellent interview.....Col Wilkerson is spot on with his views, based on his experience
'On a battlefield ..". Hmmm... Yes. On a battlefield Russia humiliated US/NATO
RU is fighting with one hand in white glove and winning
Great interview!
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Great Interview
Colonel, NordStream pipes were not carrying oil but gas, and it is LNG that is now delivered to Germany by your country, not oil...
Noted... Thanks for commentary.
Because "War is a racket" by Smedle Butler 1932
By the way, I do appreciate very much this channel. Mister Alkhorshid always speaks calmly with his guests, with deep thought about every subject. Good work. Keep it up, man !
Thanks for information
"China and who else in the Pacific?" *North Korea of course*
Larry said, "they will un ass that place so fast" 😂. I hadn't heard that term in a while but it fits and it is already happening. I wish I could be in D.C. to protests. Always great hearing Larry's view on these conflicts.
To my mind NATO needs to make itself relevant. And to do so requires a so called ‘bad guy’. They have gone for the tried and tested tactic of labelling Russia as this bad guy. How else does one explain why they were gradually creeping eastwards absorbing former East European nations one after another, solely for the purpose of surrounding Russia with its former allies in the old Soviet Union. So much for the myth portrayed that ‘they are a defensive organisation. The opposite is actually true. They ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall, have been in a constant state of expansionism eastward, paying no heed to Russias concerns on this matter. If the roles were reversed, America would be shouting from the rooftops of Russian expansion as occurred in the 1960s during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Utter hypocrisy and hoodwinking it’s gullible for the most part its citizens in the west by their media and governments (that do a great job for the most part).
Wow, Lavrov quoting Orwell's " Animal Farm." I could have an interesting conversation with this great diplomat. Joe Frisina, BA Pitt, American Lit. Ps. Im glad I also studied Russian Lit. because I'd need it.
Irony upon irony...
The Animals in the book: Animal Farm, referred to the people of the old USSR.
Like Lavrov, I realized 15 years back that most of what is written in Animal Farm directly applies to the people of the West today.
The book related the actions of the bolsheviks which at that time were in Russia, they moved to America in the mid 60s. That was when America went into decline.
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The US didn't need the Bolsheviks when they already had the Masons and the Mafia and 3 letter agencies to bring the country down.
I believe the final straw for the US was when the Mob (Mafia) and the FBI worked together from 1963 to 1968 to assassinate JFK, RFK, MLK and Malcolm X and several others.
That is when the final suffocation of freedom and real democracy started in the US
Certainly _Animal Farm_ has been promoted as a simple satire of USSR, and when it was made into an animated film (with CIA sponsorship), that association was heavily emphasised, because it is an interpretation that supports the western cold war narrative so perfectly. But if you read a little more of Orwell - his essays and radio broadcasts - it becomes clear that his fables and speculations (especially _1984_ ) are intended to be taken much more generally, and should be taken as a warning about *any* political system, ideology or regime, regardless of its purported values, and most especially its name.
We know from Orwell's own comments (for example) that 1984's Ministry of Truth is closely modelled on the BBC, where he worked, and note how often he explores the idea that things are not what they are named - in fact often they are opposites: "War is peace, freedom is slavery" and so on. Great Britain becomes "Airstrip One", a sublimation of a geographical entity to a purely military function.
These "Orwellian" semantic distortions and reversals are perhaps even more common in the west today than they were in the 1940s. Ghastly crimes are given euphemistic, sanitised names. Mundane or decent acts are demonized. The US has a "Republican" party that fawns over the British Royal Family or Prince MBS, and a "Democratic" party that openly rigs its candidate-selection process against its own most popular nominees. The IDF describes the massacre of civilians as "Mowing the Lawn". "Free Trade" agreements are revealed to be pure protectionism or outright extortion. We have a "defensive alliance" which bombs civilians in Belgrade, Afghanistan and Libya and it's called "collateral damage". Putin or Chavez win a huge majority in an election and are called 'dictator'. There are numerous examples.
These distortions are at the heart of Orwell's later work, and really they are his most important message. So yes, _Animal Farm_ and _1984_ are not mere satires of the USSR and are much more closely representative of the west today than many "cliff's notes" readings would suggest. Lavrov's reference to _Animal Farm_ is therefore both apt and ironic, he has turned our own propaganda against us.
@@BrennanYoung
Heck, you sound a lot like me. 😄
I don't claim to know much about Orwell but from what I have seen, my understanding is that he started off with a fear of Communism and later realized that the other side was not much better.
1984 is often deep, dark and elaborate.
I like Animal Farm for it's simplicity in bringing it's message, while still encompassing great symbolism.
@@BrennanYoung
That was very well articulated. Thank you.
Dems wanted RBG to stay on so they could use it in the election. Backfired on them 🤷🏻♀️
It seems that the usa has forgotten that other countries have nukes too!
More and bigger as well, not that it matters when it comes to nukes but you might have to explain it to them in this way.... the other side has bigger ones....... but then the danger is they'll want to get bigger ones too, and one day we'll have massive penis nukes the size of the worlds tallest building in the middle of the major cities
'...the cemeteries are filled with indispensible men....' C. DeGaulle
Great interview! 🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸🇱🇧❤️🇵🇸
Larry is tops.
Good show.
Listening to Col. (ret.) Lawrence Wilkerson, I remember an anecdote about a crazy guy who the doctors seemed to convince that he was not a seed, and let him out of the clinic gate, but he came back with a frightened cry: "There's a rooster!" - "You know that you are not a seed, right?" - "I know, but the rooster doesn't know!" The Americans expect to defend themselves, but who from?
II could listen to this man speak forever
Why did the Reich continue until absolute destruction? Given what fully came to light at the war's end, I suspect those in charge were fully aware of their fates as a result of their crimes and had no incentive or intent but to fight to the/their bitter end. What comes to light in the Ukraine at the war's conclusion?
A: MUCH.
We need clear heads like yours. Thanks Nima and Larry. To Larry: Trust me, you're not old yet, eat your steak and veggies and get some (light) exercise. Drink a (cheap) whiskey every now and then. You have to stay on the ball as long as possible. I'm only ten years younger and I plan to continue my macrobiotic lifestyle for another thirty to forty years.
Also, power of the world isnt just moving East, it's moving North. Russia is NOT the East. it has more population north of the Arctic circle, and close to that parallel, than any other nation. It lives through the most brutal of winters, more than anyone else. And this has helped to forge two strong aspects of their national character; a tough resilience to face out danger, patience to wait for better times, and never leaving someone stranded. No matter what you think of them, you cant abandon anyone to such a certain death. So it has strong interpersonal links which is expressed as We are Russians, we are different from others, we are stronger and more determined than others, We Russain, and Mother Russia is our land, our home, our place. And they'll fight to the death to hold onto these things, just as these things give them the strength to hold on to the death.
if you survive the Golden Horde, you can survive anything else
While the clever people in the West still have the voice, our Planet Earth has a chance to survive.
Wilkerson should be listened to. NOW
Thank you for coming on. With respect to Larry Johnson's plans to attend the demonstration, No need to say: his voice is "off" Blinkin et al.'s narrative and that his person might be in danger. Please: stay safe out there.
Wow . Super proud of this 80 year old man for committing to attending the protest against Netanyahu’s visit. Much respect!
Ch1na will win any war on their side of the Pacific, hands down (decisively, for sure). Their missile forces (largest and most advanced on earth, by FAR with Russ1a right behind them), drone forces/capabilities, navy (largest AND now most advanced on earth, hands down), GARGANTUAN combat airfleet (of combat aircraft, although behind Amer1ca on support aircraft numbers, not that it matters that much, or is that big of a difference), are top of the line. Ch1na's industrial base is huge beyond words, including military industries. If Amer1ca & Europe combined cant keep up with Russ1a, they damn sure can't with Ch1na. By the way, the west has bled itself nearly white in terms of ammunition & equipment. Dont know how Amer1ca could prevail in the SCS.......
"un-ass" PRICELESS!!!!! THANK YOU, COLONEL, from the bottom of my heart.
IOF soldiers are not hostages but war prisoners and this is according to the international law.
I remember when they used to say (with a straight face) that Hamas had "kidnapped" IDF soldiers. (That was before the Hannibal directive, of course).
The correct legal term is "taken prisoner".
Per Ynet, 'Israel' admits to substantial tank, personnel losses in Gaza: The Israeli occupation forces admit that they have suffered heavy losses in Gaza as they were explaining why women could not be included in some brigades.
@@BrennanYoung Per Ynet, 'Israel' admits to substantial tank, personnel losses in Gaza: The Israeli occupation forces admit that they have suffered heavy losses in Gaza as they were explaining why women could not be included in some brigades.
I hate that Jens...* dry-heaves *... Stoltenberg is Norwegian. M 41, Norway.
You're right, Lavrov is a Lord, the others are like chihuahas !
He didn't 'withdraw' it was a coup, as good as any C I A operation ... except it was obar ma😂
nah, FBI and ATF and DHS, the CIA can't even pull off a coup in Bolivia successfully lately.
Thanks Nima, Larry makes great case for how you unite the Middle East, this however is the worst case scenario for the US and Israel. This same unification can happen with China if we after them with NATO and the US...
Wrong about why recruitment around Moscow has stopped. The Russian Forces are getting Volunteers at over one thousand a day - and Putin has to protect the manufacturing base, the works force. It's easier to take a scattering of people, which doesnt deplete the farm and work force numbers, but the taking is thinner.