Where does Nikola Jokic rank in NBA history after winning third MVP? | Brother From Another
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- Now that Nikola Jokic has won his third NBA MVP award in four years, Michael Holley and Vincent Goodwill discuss where the star player ranks in the annals of NBA history. #NBCSports #BrotherFromAnother #NBA
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Jokic is that dude. Most of hate for him is because he is not black or American. Jokic already past Robinson.
More not black than not American, IMO.
@@codyfrance2537 they play the same positions but Jokic plays it differenty.
Pasted a lot of ppl bro also based them with his attitude. He would never say anything bad about shaq like that if the roles were riversed
Dude what's bad what shaq said lol do man have his opinion lol least shaq kept it real didn't lie or hide
I suggest shac be the presenter at the Oscars, congratulations, you're a really good actor and actress, but I really don't think you should win an Oscar. Others should win the Oscar because I honestly think they are better, but congratulations.
Jokic is an undeniable legendary GOAT. Most people don't understand how lucky they are that they get to see him play in his prime.
U are so right
He's so unique that it's hard to quantify... We've seen guys do the things he can do, but rarely can 1 guy do all of them, and never someone his size. He's truly 1 of 1.
Jokic is only 29 years old with 3 MVPs, 1 Championship MVP and a Ring. He has 4-5 more top or elite years. His final flowers will be worldly
Jokic > Shaq
They are such different beasts.
@@UnconventionalReasoningJokic has more impact in different areas, Shaq can’t makeup what Jokic does
You’re not very bright. Shaq led a 3 peat
The NBA changed the rules to allow zones because Shaq was so dominant, especially during th 3-peat--no team has had a 3-peat since. Nah, Joker ain't there yet.
@@truthbearer7891 With Kobe
Some points to consider...1) Most people haven't seen him PLAY but a fraction of all his games. If they had, they would know his greatness to a larger extent. 2) Most people have not seen him play LIVE....especially close to the court. If they had, they would know his movement on the floor is all time elite...his footwork is ridiculous, and is way quicker than it appears on television. 3) Most underrate his defensive performance because he's not an elite one on one defender, or fly from across the lane and block a shot like Wemby. But not only is he improving in that area, he plays smart team defense , gets great positioning for rebounds, and is one of the leaders in steals. 4) Most see his passing skills...they are tangible and reading displayed every night. But just how much those passes make his teammates BETTER... is off the chain. That's what makes him so great. He can certainly go get his....but he's the QUINTESSENTIAL unselfish player. So much so, in fact....he would have MANY more assists if some of the players on his team were better finishers ( Aaron Gordon notwithstanding). Also, as it relates to his passing... his court vision/IQ is unparalleled. This is what separates him from other MVP candidates. He's not only the best passing BIG MAN...he might be the best passer at any position. And with those assists and scoring, he accounts for so much of his team's offense. 5). He's always available and plays big minutes for his size. And considering the ball runs through him so often, including taking it up the court like a point guard, his conditioning is remarkable...and totally belies his physical appearance. 6) He's not done yet. If he stays healthy and motivated, it will no longer even be in a discussion about being at the end of the table (especially if more championships).
Jokic is a humble guy not an American type players cocky. Jokic has an IQ smart player... Jokic MVP 👏👏👏👏
He looked cocky going at Gobert in game 5 lol
And Jokic just casually drops one of his greatest Playoff performances.... Against one of the best Defences ever and against 4 time Defensive Player of the Year.... After he takes the MVP trophy. Joker jst went Gangsta.
Jokic is the Eminem of NBA! respect!
Jokic is HIM. But that was cringe.
Nobody appreciates what Jokic has done. These last four years have been the greatest statistical peak seasons in NBA history- period. Look at all of the stats. PER - top season ever and three others in the top ten ever. Point differential between him playing with team and team without him? Higher than any other player in history over a four year span. Should have won all four MVP’s. Did this with a small market team, so winning one championship in Denver is like two or three in LA or Boston. And he may be about to win his 2nd in a row. If he does that, this will be the greatest peak four season stretch in NBA history. Nobody better. Nobody.
You are exactly right people forget he’s in a small market team. He doesn’t have that much help comparatively like Kareem and magic and James worthy three superstars Larry Bird Kevin McHale Dennis Johnson, three superstars go to Denver you have
Jokic and. Very good role players some close to superstar but not like Kareem, mag and James worthy
If you cant appreciate jokic from an esthetic standpoint, it proves you cant appreciate basketball and know nothing about the game. That being said, i had sga mvp this year, but jokic is the better player.
If you don’t appreciate Jokic play you have no clue about organized basketball. You are a street basketball fan.
All SGA had over Jokic was 4 more points per game. Silly pick.
@@billwoods7578 agreed. Jokic stats were much better.
@@billwoods7578exactly and atleast 10-12 of those points come from the free throw line 😂
Jokic needs more titles, but he also was a 2nd round pick and has never played with a fellow All Star in Denver.
I would argue that Murray is an All Star.... that just wasn't selected.
@@markcurtis2931not an all star
@@markcurtis2931 youre not an all star till youre selected as one.
@@markcurtis2931nope, he’s been injured far too much. And he’s never been a defender or averaged high assists. And his scoring has never been above 21 ppg …
@@gnielsen07 To me it's akin to how the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame chooses the bands who get inducted. It's almost a dubious honor to be selected.....because the criteria is typically more about superficial popularity than granular reasoning. And to deconstruct your evaluation.... Unless the injury prevents you from participating in the game, that should not be an automatic disqualifier--- if at certain points of the season on the injured list. Being selected to an All Star Game is not the same as being the MVP for an entire season. He has had an injury prone career, but not enough to prevent him from contributing to team and league success. As far as defensively, I've seen every game he's played, and I know he is a better defender than many people think. He gets a LOT of blocks for a guard, and if anyone watched his steal of Anthony Edwards in Game 5, they could see his skill there as well. It's hard to fully quantify efficiency numbers due to all the team defensive switching and complete mismatches against bigger players. I know this....coach Malone would not have a guy on his team that is not at least a decent defender, and I think Murray is better than average. Besides that, since when is that a MAJOR criterion for all stars anyway? Bruce Bowen was NBA All Defensive First Team or Second Team EIGHT times in his career....not one All Star appearance. Your PPG numbers are off a bit....as he HAS been over 21, twice. This year, and in 2020-21. But are you placing 21 ppg as a benchmark? There are players who score less who are better than many who score well past 21. But speaking of numbers...here's one for you. 42.5% from 3.....that's what he averaged this year. But it's not just numerical metrics, it's things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Murray is the other half of the best tandem in the NBA. He is a leader and the team looks to him to score big buckets. As far as assists go, if you watch the offense Denver runs it goes through Jokic. So he takes so many of the assists Murray might normally get. And even when Murray is out there in NJM (Non Jokic Minutes)....the second team guys he passes to often miss more shots. But 6 assists per is still better than a lot of guards. He can also take over a game when he gets in a zone. Not many players have scored over 50 points in the playoffs TWICE. He has been one of the most clutch performers in the playoffs for several years. THAT is when he earns his status as a "STAR".....it makes me wonder if you have noticed how GREAT he has been in key situations. From those epic 50 point battles with Donovan Mitchell....to the buzzer beater over the outstretched arms of Anthony Davis this year....to the half court momentum swinging 3 pointer in Game 4 against the TWolves....he has been just as vital to the team's winning those games as Joker has been in many others. Those things should carry over to all star voting/coaches selections in subsequent seasons. Finally, something he can do extremely well at his size is post up and get his own shots. Very few guards have that kind of ability. You can use any advanced metrics you want....I bet the 3 time MVP would not want anyone else in that position than Jamal. You know why? Because despite having an attitude on occasion (I called him out with the heat pack incident), he's a tough, hard nosed player who defers to Jokic. They have a symbiosis on the court. And I know from all of the feedback Joker gives in interviews about Jamal, that he respects him as much as what he gets in return. I said Murray is an all star who hasn't been selected. But I think that is what fuels him. So I actually hope he never does.....I would rather have team success/championships ANY DAY.
Nikola jocic has the whole package and only getting better at 29 years old
Jokic only behind Jordan at this point
Dude. I love Jok. I grew up in Illinois watching Jordan, love MJ. We gotta slow that shizz waaay down. We need at least 3 more ships before then. We’re not even past the Twolves yet going for 2.
Based on his current resume Jokic can be no lower than 7th best center all-time. I have him 6th, just ahead of Moses Malone. That would easily put him in the top 20 players all-time. Possibly in the top 15. If he wins another title this year and is finals MVP then he has a case for potentially top 10.
I’m a Jokic apostle but another finals MVP puts him in line with Hakeem and Shaq. He would still need another MVP to be able to compare to Wilt. Kareem and Russel are far off, that’s GOAT tier, he would need minimum four MVP’s and titles to be in that tier.
Earlier this year, some video prompted me to make a Top-10 centers list. I made a list of 9 and left Jokić off. The dude is only 29, I can't place him yet, but a slot is waiting for him.
@@rado22MVP is a beauty contest award. Most people would put O’Neill in the top 10 to 15 yet he has only one MVP. Personally I would put Joker ahead of him already…. he’s a similar scorer and similar rebounder but then you add nine assists a game versus two. Shaquille doesn’t win a single championship without Kobe and then Wade, but Joker has won the first one and might win number two this year and still doesn’t have an All-Star on his team. I care About that a lot more than I care about how many championships Kobe won for Shaq.
If he wins another ring, as much as i love Hakeem, he needs to give his 5th place rank to the Joker. And if Joker wins 3 rings, he will strongly challenge Shaq's 4th place rank.
@@user-mp7bi5mv8q you’re going to give Shaq credit for the three titles Kobe won for him? Joker has won and has a good chance for a second with a team that has no All-Stars, probably no one who will ever be in All-Star, and certainly never going to be a top five all-time player. But you’re so hyper focused on who has the most championships that you don’t pay attention a little details like who was the best player on the team and won them without that player.
Correction, Kareem has 6 championships. He won a title on the Bucks as well before the Lakers run.
Kareem did win 6..5 with the lakers..but he won with magic and worthy as teammates and he was not the top dog in these showtime lakers..it was magic...for me kareem was somewhat over rated..same with lebron being traditionally ranked 3rd and 2nd all time...sure kareem did win 6 mvps..but he won without some great competition in the 70s...and he won only two fmvps despite winning 6 chips..magic won three and worthy won one...
Joker is legit the best player in the league now which I do compare him head to head with Bird even back 4,5 years ago. If Joker wins a 3-peak, he is knocking the door of GOAT.
That makes no sense. You gotta be elite on both ends to be goat. That's why magic and bird are not considered in the goat Convo. At the very least he could be top 12
@@user-vq3xf4bf9q Thats not why they aren't considered the GOAT...its because MJ has 6 rings with 2 3peats. Prior to MJ they were a part of that comversation 100%
Top 10 all time is also good,and he have a chance for that
What is he talking about Jokic doesn't have passing wizardry like Kyrie? He makes no look passes no one else can recognize. He's the best passing big man in history and the best passer in the NBA. He pirouettes like a ballerina while sky hooking it like Kareem over the 4x defensive player of the year with ease.
He just did one a few hours ago 😂😂😂😂 they just look for reasons to knock him. Like...he can't dunk..then he did last night 😂
Damn! They forget or don't want to see that Jokic has many skills working together that no other player in history has had. And Jokic is able to apply these skills in a time of very fast and physical play, unlike previous generations. I am irritated by this disrespect.
Just ask the players and coaches in the NBA who is the best. It's Nicola.
Love U guys! He's that dude! Let's enjoy while he's playing!
Thanks for the non-biased and clear analysis.
For me top 15-20 at this Moment all-time
I think Hakeem is a good comp. He’ll need to win more to really climb.
Jokic is that guy, just wait 5,6 yrs...who knows where he's gonna stop
I think the real question is where at I. The top 5 all time in any position? When it's all said and done.
Karem Abdul Jabbar goat imagine joker with magic and lakers damn
Honestly, Magic would be my favorite all timer to pair with jokic. That offense would set the ast record every year.
When did MVPs become more important to greatness than being able to will your team to championships?
If jokic wins another title and becomes fmvp, he's in the top 10 already. Either at 9 or 10.
3x mvp
2x champion
2x fmvp
No defense but he's the triple double king
IMO, Fundamentals are more fun to watch. Pure basketball.
Star-ball with splashy poster dunks vs Team-ball with splashy poster dunks lol
Jokic should have won last year too...He is better than Embid...
With another championship, he becomes the 14th member of the unassailable pantheon. In no order: Bron, MJ, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Kobe, Curry, Hakeem, Jerry West and now Jokic. He would pass the crop of Moses, Dr. J, Durant, Elgin, Oscar, Dirk, Karl, Zeke and Wade.
9:30 👀 😂😂 I hear you! (025 SS number) Especially if Porzingis is absent!
I’d like him to have more post-season success before we have this debate.
There are generally two categories of people in Boston: the multi-generational folks and the people who came for college or work in their 20s and stayed.
I hate when people lazily call random PGs like Kyrie better passers than Jokic.
Stop it.
Jokic is, by far, the best passer in the NBA. Not even close.
For sure
Jokers individual game is way better than Duncan but when it comes to rings give joker more time
Or give jokic 4 hof players, 6th man of the year and dpoy and then we can count championships
@@Peca-sz6yt and one of the goat coaches
@@lbp5277 yeah that shit too
Lmao bro shut your mouth and never talk hoops again. Duncan’s 03’ run is arguably the best of all time. 5x champ, 3x FMVP, 15x All NBA/All Defense/All-Star, ROY, all time playoff double-doubles record, all time playoff blocks record, never won less than 50 games, never missed the playoffs. You little boys need to watch a different sport.
@@Peca-sz6ytyou have to be a child. No one is putting Jokic over Duncan. Absolutely no one.
Ets be fair he's only 29 give him more time
Considering the Joker is only hitting the stride of his prime, these questions and comparisons are essentially meaningless.
For sure top 20
Kareem and Duncan, maybe Hakeem are the guys he's trying to catch. Russell and Wilt played a different sport.
I have yet to hear a good explanation of whatever group votes for the MVP. If it's a fair election then what is there ti complain about?
And he's in the middle of his career
Minnesota Timberwolves basketball game they’re going to win game seven and I believe they will win the NBA championship this year. I have no doubt.
🃏 Top5
Tim Duncan is at the top-table. Jokic needs to win more to get into that convo.
He’s knocking on the Hakeem door.
Hakeem better than Robinson stop it
if he retires today he is top 20
what people tend to forget is that basketball is a team game and you don't win championship by yourself - Jokic has Gordon, MPJ Murray to bail his ass when he scores under 20 while Antman and Doncic are surrounded by overrated bums, imagine doncic/antman in the same team: unreal.
He is the only player in NBA history who has won one a chip without another all-star on the team.
Aesthetics of God Shammgod are greater than those of a Stockton. Harold Miner had much better hops than Chris Mullin. Dominique was leagues above Bird in athleticism. Everyone knows who the better players were though. Fans of high jump competitions have picked a wrong sport in basketball
Jokic is best white player ever idemo lutko
I'll say it for you, Anthony Edwards is the next LEFLOP. 😅
Michael sure sounds like a Jokic apologist.
both akeem olajawon and the joker have such soft sure shooting touches. pure magic. the joker is a better passer and better 3 point shooter than akeem. akeem was a far better rebounder
and shot blocker than than the joker. both could score at will out of this world. both are foreign players. but for the life of me, i cannot say who is better. let's just enjoy them.
Whats absurd is people gave that whininf crybaby Embiid because he threw a massive temper tantrum for an entire season.
Anyone who called Embiid a better player, please return you Basketball Fan card.
Jokic je najbolji kosarkas srbije u istoriji
Top 20-25
Nash is the only white MVP that seems to be undeserving - but Stern robbed that team w pedantic suspensions. (Those guys followed the spirit of the rule.).
But the Nash Suns were putting up crazy numbers. Nash is sort of a white man’s Russell Westbrook: gaudy numbers but not really impacting winning at the highest level.
You can't compare. This era is so different.
You really can't. Jokic would get pummeled down low back then and those guys would get run off the floor today. Except Wilt. If his head is right, that dude is a problem in any era.
People say that because they don’t want to give players like Luka and Jordan their due, but they’re the same people who turn around and say LeBron and Steph belong in the top 10. Jordan played against Kobe, Kobe played against LeBron, and LeBron has played against Jokic. So explain to me exactly when this league stopped being like “back then”.
@SDesWriter when your mvp is a 7 foot big that plays physically. In a league where todays bigs are mostly smaller ,thinner, and weaker centers. A league where you can't touch a player or it's a foul. Can't play defense. Better advantages now vs." Back then. More physical back then . Way more . Being physical changes the way you play ball. Without that, you have no concern . Just dribble and shoot.
@@williamchavez365 it’s such a lot of nonsense it’s not even worth picking apart. You can’t touch without a foul? Tell that to the Mavericks where Luca took three hits to the knee during the clippers series and is now more of a liability than a 34 point triple double machine. tell that to Murray who got banged around the first two games of the Timberwolves series. Yeah there are players who get touch fouls like SGA every time he misses a shot, but Dort play football on the court and rarely fouls out.
As for how physical they are (were), Robinson played Shaq tough and he was 30lbs lighter than Jokic. It’s not as physical as it was in the 80s or 90s, but Olajuwon was shorter and lighter and fucked up everybody he went up against including Shaq.
Let him collect more wares before we crown him.
3 MVP, 1 chip, and 1 Finals MVP matches Moses Malone.
he's not a hotdog
Plleasse, Just know that u folks are hypocrites...Jokic just put up an historic performance in Game 5 and the narrative has already been shifted to Gobert being trash...
Joker is only 29 yo. And his style of play guarantees him to play at least 5 more years of elite basketball. It means 5 more All Nba team selections and about 1 to 2 more nba titles to win.
Joker 💪
Passing has to be the best part of basketball as a team game !! Only American culture loves this idiotic individual muscular dunking mania. Okay fair enough for both, just saying one of those doesnt look good is idiotic.
I disagree on the extra push for white guy conversations. - always just been assumptions by the conspiracy theorists
It's been the other way actually - look at Embiid .... Embiid was not the real MVP last season honestly ... he chokes in big games
Bad energy - assumption - really not true
He is not American thats why
Top 30 all time easily, with another championship that will put him in the 20-15 range.
Ure either black or a jokic hater😂. He is already top 15. Another ring will put him in different tier
@@hyena5313 I’m a huge Jokic fan…I was being reserved but yeah…
3 mvps and 2 chips that puts him in extremely rarefied air if he wins again. Put in the fact he’s making records no one has ever done 2k,1k,500 or leading the playoffs in points rebounds and assist. He’s already entered the rarefied air.
@@hyena5313I'm White and Jokic is top 20-25. He will become top 10-15
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Today's weak, 3 point contest NBA deserves it's own record book. The man is a great player but the game is soft and the stats are inflated.
Don’t ever say he’s on Tim Duncan’s level after a second chip. Most casual take I’ve heard all year. There’s levels to this. Duncan is a 5x champ with 15 all nba and 15 all defense. You dudes are stuck in the moment, but use your brain.
Yeah, he's in that level.
If he wins another title, he will be ranked higher than KD, Hakeem, Moses, Dirk,Giannis. If he wins 3 rings, he will be in the Top 10. Will dislodge Shaq, Wilt, kobe or Duncan.
Your grandma is eagles fan…