I was an avid tanner in the 90s all year around. I suffered a skin cancer removed and major skin damage. This was at 25 i stopped all sun, became bestfriends with sunscreen and got on tretinoin. Now im 40 yrs old. Ive been on tret continuously for 15 yrs no breaks. I have thick, plump, even toned wrinkle free skin. I get compliments all the time on my skin and not looking my age. I tribute it all to tret. I will use it until my last days, maybe throw a tube in my casket for the afterlife. Thats how much i love it.
Good for you! 🎉 I was the same way in the 89's and am going to start using tretinoin, hopefully I can get close to as good as you!! I LOVE sunscreen, my absolute favorite is Australian Gold mineral lotion, so smooth and provides EXCELLENT prte8!! 😊
I have been using tretnoin for a year now. I feel like my skin is tight, i can't smile, laugh. Everytime i smile i get wrinkles on face. What am i doing wrong? Also i can only use gel moisturizers as i have acne prone skin. Please help.
It doesn’t. I have used it over 40 years and the first thing anyone says to me is, you have beautiful skin. These are people who have known me over 15 years and haven’t seen me for a few years. I started using it at 20. It came from Europe and I don’t go in the Sun. I should have said people recognize my skin isn’t aging at the same rate as their own. It’s not like getting a face lift and losing your uniqueness it really helps you age beautifully. I also exercise and keep my weight in check.
I started following you fairly recently and have been so impressed with you. What I absolutely love about what you share is your calm, to the point and clear breakdown of the science of how skin works, how it behaves and how the chemistry works. That you back up your statements with stable data, scientific studies and professional experience. This video is exceptional in that you lay out how to listen to alarmist drivel and pick it apart with stable scientific data. The skin care industry and it's lackey wackos are making billions presenting false and misleading (sometimes dangerous) information. Brava to you Dr. Dray for being the sane, educated sage that you are. I recommend you to everyone!
I'm never stopping my Retin-A. My skin looks so perfectly even and I don't get much acne anymore. People ask me what I use and I say, tretinoin...and sunscreen, of course!
So many people look at scientific studies incorrectly or take bad studies as absolute truth. Thank you for talking about looking at a study critically and representing it properly!!
I’m so tired of ONE person misleading data and fear mongering any product despite evidence to the contrary that the product is indeed safe and works for its intended use. And then media picks the “story” up to further exacerbate the fear mongering because it generates views/interest. Thank you so much for clearing this up. I believe you rather than a conspiracy theory from someone who wants clout.
But another issue also exists: medical comunity sometimes take way too long to adress a problem with a drug/device due to not listening to patients and dismissing data that brings bad side effects. It's not new and quit indicated in literature the effects of retinols in adipose tissue cells and there are many reports. But the product produces so great short/long term results for skin surface that this situation is dimissed and ignored - we all hate losing our "Holly Grail".
I did see the featured video discussion earlier, and found it a bit confusing. I'm so happy that Dr. Dray made a reaction video like this. This is the kind of content that makes me respect her personality and her professionalism.
I have used tretinoin regularly now for 5 years, along with daily SPF. I started at 0.05% and now use 0.08%. It has cleared most of my hyperpigmentation, and my skin is more even toned and plump. The biggest difference I have seen is with my pores. I have sebaceous filaments and the tretinoin keeps my pores clear and unclogged. It has been a game changer for me. Thanks for presenting a clearer picture of the information being circulated out there..that’s why I’m here!
Hi I actually follow the honest channel and watched that video, afterwards I went straight to your videos regarding tretinoan and after listening to you I continued to use my tretinoan, iv seen such good results there's no way I'm stopping it. Thank you for giving us your professional opinion xxx
21:50 Very well done stating the fact that, this anology may not necessarily be completely accurate. I know for a fact, retinoid acid receptors tend to get down regulated with use anyway with use - meaning, you are not constantly "forcing" your skin to "work out without rest" even if you want to. Not to mention there will be a theoretical receptor saturation eventually with continued use (hence the higher strengths are not necessarily better). I think all in all, such "response" videos by Andrea are the moments when we tend to see her PhD site as she is an MD-PhD essentially and not always but mostly, PhDs tend to, by the virtue of the entire training is aimed to make you a scientist with critical reasoning skills, better analyse the outcomes of different bodies of research.
Thank you so much Dr. Dray for your response to this video! I had previously viewed this video and did not trust what he was saying since Tretinoin has worked so well for me. Also, please be aware he is selling a face cream called Adipeau.
Thank you for addressing the misinformation in this interview. I was concerned about the dissolving fat with hyluronic acid and Tretinion, and considered changing my routine after watching this. But I could not understand, how hyluronic acid could reach the layer of fat under the skin when applied topically, and then bring tretinion along for the ride to destroy the fat. I am continuing on my tretinion journey.
I started with Tretinoin a few years ago using 0.05%. Prior to that, I used retinol creams. I now juggle between both types. I’ve never had a side effect, except maybe for some slight dryness or flaky skin. Sometimes I’ll use a very light serum or moisturizer under the Tretinoin if I’m feeling sensitive. I also don’t use it every day and alternate with things like Vitamin C or Glycolic acid. It has always seemed safe and effective to me. Thanks for this video.
Want to add to the conversation as someone who used to swear by tretinoin. I started tretinoin at the beginning of the pandemic and it did wonders for me, I have acne-prone sensitive skin and it completely changed my complexion and honestly my life in many ways. Around half a year ago my skin started to look extremely dull, lacking any kind of elasticity and was very very dry regardless of what I did and used, something just completely changed. It was itchy, red and irritated, and my skin thinned out so much I started getting remarks from friends and family I hadn’t seen for a while. I was looking so much older and wrinklier - seriously devastating. I came across the video here in question and I decided to pause tretinoin just to try. Lo and behold, after about a month of focusing on nothing but hydration and protection, no AHAs/BHAs/tretinoin/vit C/etc active ingredients that could dry it out in any way and it is starting to come back! I love Dr Dray and have been following for a few years now - her advice is what initially transformed my skin and I couldn’t thank her enough! However, I do think there are enormous differences in peoples’ skin and how they react to different treatments especially taking into account the environment you live in (e.g. I have super sensitive skin and live somewhere with very hard water, keeping my skin well hydrated and not irritated can be a challenge). If you’re having similar issues, I’d say it doesn’t hurt to try. Quitting tretinoin for the time being has made a huge difference to my skin both in terms of look and feel, but it isn’t at all to say I won’t be going back at some point. It’s a great product and truly life changing but long term use didn’t seem to suit my skin. I still love dr Dray and her videos and hugely value her opinions and advice. Just wanted to add my 2cnts in, different strokes for different folks.
Yes, but you didn't just stop tretinoin, you stopped all drying and irritating actives. So it's hard to know if tretinoin was giving you difficulties or if you using too many actives.
Very brave. I’ve known someone who maintained weight, were in their 20s, only used cetaphil cleanser, moisturiser and sunscreen. Took tretinoin for a while and noticed that their skin worsened (wrinkles and fat loss) over time even after enough months had passed.
same here. started getting dry flaky and irritated with some redness. i even use the lowest strength. because of the irritation, I developed very light tan patches on different areas of my face. now I just use tret a couple times a week and make sure to mix it directly in with moisturizer. I think it being winter time has something to do with it also.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video, a valuable resource! I have this exact discussion with non-experts(friends/family lol). The way you factually dismantled his argument point by point was so satisfying. Saving, forwarding and hoping it goes viral!
I use Tretinoin and I have to take a rest day every now and then, especially in the winter. I don't see it as making the tretinoin more effective. I see it as a way of minimising side effects. I need a day off applying any products to my face so that I can allow the barier to repair and to prevent overmoisturisation or irritations. I think this can be very important for people with sensitive skin, regardless of whether they use a retinoid.
Thank you for taking your time to provide an in depth, detailed review of this The Honest Channel video. I appreciate listening to your professional and scholarly explanation as to why the information discussed by the panel on this video is incorrect or correct. Please continue your efforts to educate your audience about the distinctions between information supported by valid, credible research, and the information that stems from those who misinterpret, misrepresent, or misunderstand what they are disseminating to the public.
I don't understand why it is aloud to give this kind of statement and conclusion by preclinical studies by someone who is not verse or educated enough to get them out in the general public. I think Dr. Dray should be contacted often because she is always well prepared as scientists should be.
This is your best video yet. Thank you. I have a saying, "Just because you keep saying it over and over, does not make it true!" In my opinion he is doing a big disservice to the public.
I turn 69 years old in 2 weeks. I've used Retin A since I was 17 years old. People think I'm in my late 40s. This guy is pretty much full of baloney. Thank you for this video, Dr. Dray!
I have been using retina A for a year now. I’m 65 years old and it has drastically improved my skin. However I use this with a good skincare routine and the avoidance of sun exposure. Happy that Dr Dray addressed the misinformation!!
This same doctor also said in another video our skin shouldn't have constant use of moisturizer. That our skin can get used to moisturizer and come to depend on it. I call BS. As a 49 yr old woman.
This is why fact checks are necessary on the internet. So thank you to Dr. Dray for pointing this out. To an ordinary person like myself, after seeing their video, I thought oh no, I got to stop using Retin-A! So grateful for you to spread the correct knowledge on this!
Thank you so much for your clear, considered debunking of yet another person being very selective and misleading so they can sell their product. It continues to disappoint me that people like him do this. I have been using Tretinoin for 15 years plus, along with sunscreen etc and my skin is at least 20 years younger than my chronological age and my derm loves me - that is my benchmark 🙂
I've been using tretinoin for three years 3- 4 times a week , 0.05 , and not only my skin has improved a lot, (I even lost freckles 😔 )but I recently ran out of retinaldehyde for my eye area and started trying upping tretinoin to that area carefully and my skin is responding very positively to that, no dryness at the beginning as I would expect, I swear I can see an improvement in my undereye bags.
Thank you so much for doing this video. I have yet to hear Ivan Galanin say anything substantive about anything. On the positive side, he’s a master at stating the obvious. Lol
Used Tret for a year and a half now. Only starting to see the results, but it's worth it. (It got worse before it got better. Persevere, it pays off.) It certainly hasn't touched my facial fat. I wish to Zebedee it would though! 😂 That would be such a bonus.
I’m 25 and have been using tretinoin for years. It made my skin better in almost every way, but my under eye skin undeniably got thinner (but also softer and smoother). I had to pause to go on accutane, and it’s thickened up again. Just my own experience
I love what tretinoin is doing to my face, these big cosmetics companies are losing so much money because of it, I’m sure they are paying the FDA to say this!
I rely very much on your product reviews and I WOULD LOVE for you to review RETINCARE from Cantabria Labs, since it is the only tretinoin product available in the EU without a prescription (at least in Spain it is). I love your channel and your science based, direct and "non-bullsh**" approach to skincare. Thank you in advance!
I'm a long term retin-A user, and it has made my skin smother than it otherwise would be. It smoothed out crepey areas and fine wrinkles. I still have sagging and deep creases - there is a retin-a look in older users of having those aspects of skin aging coupled with smooth, even skin.
Ivan posted an article in Medium called How Retin-A gaslighting dumbs down skincare and encourages bullying , where he suggests that Dr Dray didn't pay attention when reading papers.....the world of science is so confusing. I wish I was able to judge for myself
Thank you! I watched Honest Channel video a week ago,but it had so many contradictions, it left me confused. I decided to disregard it. Thanks for confirming my conclusions!
Do you think you can do a review of Adipeau? It's quite expensive for safflower and black ginger extract, which is what this guy claims restores fat cells in the face. Can you review the study he did of his product too? I'm wary of in-house studies, and obviously this guy has a reason to poopoo on retinoids
Oh!! Thank you so much for addressing that, I was a little worried so I was hoping that you would. I only trust you opinion, on the Internet, basically ❤
I've noticed that rentin a helped my skin so much within the last 4 years! This guy has no clue what he is talking about! My fine lines and deeper wrinkles have gotten so much better! Skin lifted and everything!
I had that video on my watch later list, but so glad I watched yours first. Was able to get the information from that video, but with your clarifications.
I just want to genuinely know WHY tretinoin isn't openly sold for the general public rather than only prescribed? It annoying as hell to try & find one online WITHOUT a damn prescription!
Beauty industry as well as other industries are making the weirdest decisions based on folks like this man and his odd interpretation of data. Data analysis is truly a special skill that not just takes someone to look at the "research" but to apply common sense and other factors to draw conclusions. Too many industries are being impacted by a lack of knowledge in how to understand "research". We now have access to a fire hose of data very easily and we are struggling to get menaingful information from all that we are finding.
Hi, this is Ivan Galanin. I appreciate your taking time to respond to the honest channel video. I would like to address the points you’ve made. What would you suggest is the best approach? I want to make it as easy as possible for viewers to consider our points of view.
She already debunked you dude, give it up and go scam elsewhere. She has a PHD in molecular biology and is a board-certified dermatologist - you're just a random unqualified guy who can't read studies properly and also sells snake oil to impressionable women. Dray has another video where she talks about Volufiline, a scam product just like yours which claims to increase facial fat. In that video, she explains how it's scientifically impossible for a topical skincare product to do anything of the sort. Topicals cannot reach the subcutaneous fat layer and even if they could, a product of that nature would be extremely unpredictable and cause lipomas/random fat pockets. Everything you've claimed about Tretinoin is false and everything you've claimed about your "facial fat increasing" lotion is also false. I am sick of money-hungry scamming men like you coming into the cosmetic space and spreading misinformation just for a quick buck. Have some respect for the professionals.
@@kl0n0pin Hi Matt, there is the data from two sets of incredible well-credentialed academics that show without any doubt that the long-term use of retin-A thins the skin. This is the data that I refer to. Then there is the question of how you interpret this data --- what is your point of view. My point of view is that this data requires more discussion and investigation. Nothing more. You may see the data and decide that it's not sufficient to merit further investigation. That would be your point of view and completely valid. The opinion relates only to how we interpret the data. I don't think you are suggesting that just because there is a lot of "other" positive data, that we should ignore the negative data.
@@kl0n0pin Take a look at two of the papers in her list. The Olsen and Bhawan papers. If you don't have access to them, I am happy to email them to you. You will see that in both cases Retin-A reduces the thickness of the upper dermis of the skin.
Thank you. Love that you took on this rebuttal but still couldn't watch your full video because I'm so sick of the unethical, egotistical and plain stupid floggers of misinformation on every topic on every platform.
I still think there's not enough information about tretinoin. Especially what it does to your body. Every time I start tretinoin, my joints hurt. No it is not a coincidence, because I started 3 times and stopped for just this reason. But many say that tretinoin stays at the skin level. Not true, otherwise it would be safe to use during pregnancy, right? In regards of skin thinning - maybe they just mean when the skin is shedding it is thinning. But... To be fair several people who I know use tretinoin for years - to me, their skin looks thin. Thinner than mine. While their skin looks smooth on the surface, - it looks more 'transparent' if that makes sence - I can see capillaries and redness through it, so who knows how it is in reality
I had to go onto Accutane years ago. A side effect was joint pain. My doctor ordered me to inform him if I experienced this, because he would stop the treatment. I didn’t tell him, because I didn’t want to stop. After the course of treatment, joint pain went away. Tretinoin is cream Retin A. So, yes, it is plausible it hurts your joints. I am also not convinced it doesn’t thin the skin. Too many people are reporting this. I see a particular big pharma shill in these comments rudely denouncing anyone who claims it thins skin. I am using Tret to help keep my face clear and for anti-aging. However, I am monitoring this carefully. I always believe my eyes and my own experience.
we already have fifty years of research and yes your joint issue is a coincidence and it's in your head. You should see a doctor for that. You probably have a genetic condition. Also your opinions re subjective observations don't mean anything, that's not how we do science. We already know from skin biopsies that it successfully thickens the skin and improves collagen.
@@SueRosalie joint pain is in my head?? I've never had joint pain in my life and even now I don't - because I don't use tretinoin. You need to do more research because you're not aware I'm not the only one with joint pain from tretinoin. No need to be rude while advocating it, because in your comment you didn't give me any facts to prove me otherwise.
But we are. Aestetician and advanced pharmacy school teachs us to use retinol as active ingredient against fat. Retinol and cafeine are very effective at it.
Tretinoin has completely transformed my skin! So much that I've pretty much eliminated foundation from my makeup routine because I. Just. Don't. Need. It🙌🏼💯
Right. There's always a couple "experts" that try to make a name for themselves by intentionally spreading misinformation, usually along the lines of "I discovered secret information the medical community is hiding from you!" No doubt he probably has a product of his own that's miraculously a "cure" for the particular ailment he claims to be an expert on. Or selling a book, podcast, something. There's usually always a financial motive for this behavior. We always have to be sure to look into these sorts of things on our own, too. Never take bold claims at face value. I appreciate you, too, Dr. Dray!
Where's the education and/or expert knowledge supporting the title, "Scientist"? According to a 2012 press release the "Scientist", "has an undergraduate degree in German History from Yale University and a Master’s of Science in Corporate Finance from Carnegie Mellon University."
Tretinoin improved my skin quickly. I had to back off this winter because of excess dryness, but I didn't stop using it, I just decreased the frequency and added a better moisturizer. Thanks, Dr. Dray.
@@loriburkett5692 For me the Cerave moisturiser in the jar (with ceramides) and The Ordinary Squalane oil helped a lot with my winter dry and Tretinoin peeling skin :)
Aquaphor is the best for tackling dryness from tretinoin I'm the same in winter I just use 8t 5 days a week and plaster on Aquaphor then break for the weekends
I hope you don’t mind me chiming in here…IUNIK beta-glucan moisturizer has been working great for my dry skin the last few months, along with their serum.
Misinformation is dangerous and so prominent in this day and age. I have been using retinol for 2-3yrs and it has transformed my skin. I just turned 30. My skin looks more plump, firm, and even. I personally love it. Thank you so much Dr. Dray for providing your medical expertise and debunking the sea of 🤡🤡🤡🤡 .
I'm counting down the days until I can finally start Tretinoin, once I'm done breastfeeding! 🥲 I've since found "Bakuchiol" which apparently is a plant retinol alternative & safe for bf! It's doing alright, def makes a difference, but I wanna bring out the big Tretinoin guns! 💪😂
@@JaseekaRawr bakuchiol is not a alternative to retinol just like how willow bark extract is a not a alternative to salicylic acid it just a antioxidant
As someone who is on tretinoin I am sooooo glad I sat through probably the longest RUclips video I have ever sat to involving a person speaking. The way you dissolved the medical misinformation was just so top tier and we so need more of that!!!!! Thank you!!! After a month of adjustment hell I was so scared it was for nothing but at the 2 month mark I’m starting to see the benefits.
It took me over 6 months to start seeing a difference in my skin using tretinoin. I’ve been using it for a little over one year now & my skin is in the best shape it’s ever been in. In fact, I just got a new prescription for a stronger dose & I’m going through the peeling stages again. I call it having dandruff on my face because it’s constantly shedding. I know this shedding will only last a couple weeks, at tops, so I’m OK with it. Please don’t throw in the towel too soon. It really does take quite a while before you see results.
I started using tretinoin when I was 49, I am now 54. My skin looks so much better than it did when I was 49. No thinning of my skin. No loss of elasticity. My sunspots have disappeared or lessened. This guy is crazy.
@@Style_224 I don’t see your point, he’s still a skincare grifter but ok 👍🏽 influencing others (with non facts) for his own monetary gain. The interviewer even stated that if she notices negative aesthetics because of his advice she’s coming for him. He successfully influenced her. So…yeah….
I've been using Retin-A for 15 years and my skin is great! Thank you for making this video. I'm so sick of people trying to scare us about every damn thing!
@@davidgrossman8830 I did notice about 6 years ago that I was getting a little bit of a sunken look, but I got a bit of filler on my tear trough and it fixed it. Haven’t had to get it again.
My dad used retin A throughout his 70s and 80s. He would get so many compliments on how baby smooth his skin looked. I started using it about 8-9 months ago, and initially my melasma looked worse and skin looked very dry and irritated, but I think now with greater tolerance it’s starting to get better.
@rachelh9550 putting on moisture before can help. I use aquaphor on top at night, but this seems to help some people and irritate others. I've had success with snail mucin, centella asiatica, and hyaluronic acid serums, too. A daytime moisturizer with urea could also help. The one from Eucerin is nice and pretty inexpensive. I don't really have much dryness from it anymore, so hopefully, yours will be temporary, too.
@@rachelh9550 If your skin is too dry, skip a day or two and use gentle products. I highly recommend La Roche Posay Hydrating Gentle Cleanser. And then Beauty pie’s Happy Face moisturizer. I also like their Plantastic moisture balm. And if it’s super dry add a tiny bit of Vaseline petroleum jelly on top of your moisturizer.
Okay I JUST watched this a couple weeks ago and have been dying to know what Dr. Dray would say about it. I thought it was just some obscure video that she wouldn't hear about though. Wild. Thank you so much for covering this 🥰
my report is purely anecdotal but in the 2 yrs i’ve been using tretinoin, my face skin feels very robust, plump, healthy and the tone much more even than before i started. i say this, however, in relation to the COMPREHENSIVE skin care routine i have been following, which includes hyaluronic acid, ceramides, anti oxidant ingredients and of course consistent SPF. thanks so much for your input Dr. Dray, i definitely trust your word on all things skincare. happy thursday 🌸
You are like a boon...you have played and important role in easing my struggle with cystic acne and yet again I was looking for clarity regarding this particular claim and here you are with your view on it. I trust you 🤗
I started Retin-A way back when it was only prescribed for acne. I was in my early 20s with chronic adult acne and I will soon turn 71 and have continued with prescription trentinoin all these years, even after the acne phase stopped. My skin is in great shape and I am often complemented on it and have very few wrinkles.
@@morgianasartre6709 i also use tretinoin. My dermatologist has sworn me to use sunscreen during the day, every day. She said that even if a use it at night, the components are still in effect during the day so its very important to use sunscreen
It really does take someone special to be able to accurately read and interpret data from studies and be able to communicate it in a way that makes sense to people outside of the research community; we're very lucky to have you Dr. Dray
Yup, I'm only recently realizing that with all that has been going on since 2020. It's quite interesting to see how many people don't seem to know how to accurately analyze and interpret data and to understand how to translate it into context. Scary thing is SOOO many people are using data to make decisions and they are not interpreting them properly. We it in so many industries, not just the beauty one. You big corporations making MASSIVE financial decisions from raw data that they aren't considering the context of or applying any common sense to. It's strange.
@drdrayzday I really wish everyone would stop being like an echo chamber. Confirmation bias. Everyone is ready to dismiss what is being said in the video. Tret is not for everyone , just like dairy is not for everyone and nuts is not for everyone. Tret destroyed my baby soft skin. Deep cracks, lines and wrinkles in the space of two weeks. Even my derm was horrified and tried using steroid creams to reverse the damage which did not work. My skin is now textured, cracked and wrinkled. I am angry that this product is being touted by every dermatologist without considering that there just may be one “ rat” that is damaged in the study. There should be warnings to people with extremely sensitive skin.
No. You must have been using a high strength and using it very aggressively and damaged your skin barrier and kept going. You have to follow instructions and allow your skin to adjust. Despite your self inflicted damage, it's reversible. Skin barriers heal but you have to let it heal. Many millions of people use tretinoin safely and enjoy the benefits and we have over 50 years of data attesting to its safety and efficacy. on humans, not rats. Oh and if you had "baby soft skin" why were you needing to use tretinoin in the first place lol
@@SueRosalie your CERTAINTY astounds me on what I have written on my experience. The phrase “ you must have “ totally dismisses MY experience and reaction to the product. I went to a derm because I wanted guidance on the product and followed her instructions to a T , including the sandwiching method with a moisturizer. Everyone that knows me will tell you I do not play with my body or my skin, I eat “ clean”, lift weights and do not drink or smoke and study everything body and skin that is why I went to a professional. Overdoing is not in my nature. You do not know me however I understand that you may have gotten excellent results with the product however that is not my lived experience. Tret is not for everyone just like nuts, dairy and nightshades are not for everyone. Tret damaged my skin and if you google and do some more research you will find other young women who suffered the same reactions to Tret. Sometimes it’s nice to explore other voices on topics instead of standing firm in our own beliefs/views, especially in the light of other evidence.
i'm also a doctor and I should say kudos to Dr. Dray for being so calm and composed with this reaction video. i mean, just watching it from here, i can't help with my "WTF" and "HUUUUH" and some little eyerolls and exasperated laughs hahaha I can't. Thank you so much Dr. Dray for being the calm and composed voice of derm science. 👑
Doctor Bluestardiver, would love to hear your thoughts about the Bhawan paper? Upper dermis thickness reduced by 65% after 4 years. Melanin content reduced by 81%. Please explain how these effects are beneficial to the skin. Dr. Dray hasn't. It will take more that "they didn't say that" or "WTF" to change the facts.
Calm and composed? She was extremely arrogant and Ivan posted a reply on the same video of the Honest channel rebutting her and showing her cherry picked data points.
Happy Thursday, Doc, and thank you for this response video!! I have been using tretinoin, consistently, for decades. My dermatologist started me on it, when I was in my 20's, to help with my cystic acne. I battled acne until my late 30's and I continue to use tretinoin NIGHTLY. I now use it for fine lines/wrinkles/sun damage. I will be 50 in 2 weeks time and I cannot tell you how many times I receive compliments on my skin. I have no doubt that tretinoin, combined with my other skincare/sunscreen habits, is the reason my skin looks so incredible at my age. These fear mongers need to chill! 💯
I truly believe that some “dermatologist” are afraid that if more people discover what tretinoin can do,they will lose their patients,so they feel the need to say all this ridiculous bullshit about tret🫠🤷🏻♀️
I started using tretinoin 34 years ago. I just turned 48. Like you, coupled with SPF use/skincare my skin looks incredible at my age. Learning about this gentleman's background makes me question the purpose of the original video. Happy Birthday!
I missed this controversy the first time around and just watched the two Honest Channel videos and wow, he really thought thinning down elastosis is a bad thing! 🤦🏻♀ In the second video he says there's no evidence of elastosis, right after the word "elastosis" in the paper was on screen a few minutes earlier. Then he starts equating procollagen with collagen. So much for his "on-the-job scientific training"...
I have been using Retin-A for 40 years, and I can assure you it works! Lol... Every time I hear people doubt it I just laughed to myself. I have a 31-year-old daughter and we are routinely confused as sisters everywhere we go. It's just a fact. So all you younger women out there believe me and trust me get your butt on tretinoin and use it regularly you will thank yourself down the road! Oh and I am going to add, everything that Dr Dray says about sunscreen is absolutely true as well! I have been using sunscreen regularly since I was 11 years old. And yes I actually apply it two to three times a day! That is one of the most important things, keep your face out of the sun! And the rest of your body as well, your legs may look great tan when you're 25 but when your past 40 that won't be the case anymore! Besides there's always self tanners and if you have nice smooth skin when you're older it's the perfect canvas for self-tanners! 😃
unfortuantely here in germany the doctors dont prescribe it soley for cosmetic reasons, only if you have hardcore acne ..so i guess i am stuck to retinol...i hope it will help thoug as well:)
May I ask why you wore sunscreen regularly in the early 80s? The effects of UVA rays on aging haven't been studied as extensively back then and all sunscreens available at that time were not broad spectrum (only formulated to protect against UVB rays). The only FDA approved chemical UVA filter Avobenzone hasn't been approved until 1988 and mineral sunscreens have not been anywhwere near cosmetically elegant at that time and nobody would have worn it daily. So what was the point?
@@crystalclear7512 wrong, number one I'm very fair skin blue-eyed and we live in Southern California and moving here from Michigan when I was nine. We regularly bought a sunscreen called Ti-screen, and it was one of the few sunscreens that had Avobenzone. It was very well known about sunscreen usage in the '80s lol I don't know where you're getting that information from! The problem was the lack of available sunscreens that protected against UVA which is why we bought the Ti-screen because it was the only one that was face-friendly and had the avobenzone in it. I used that particular sunscreen for quite a few years until they started coming out with better ones. Living in Southern California and going to the beach as a blonde blue-eyed white girl and not wanting to get fried, believe me sunscreen was a very important thing in our household! The only problem was being called Casper and white girl! Lol funny though I never gave into peer pressure and did not allow myself to tan. Smart move that I don't regret.
Tret 0.25 did nothing for my skin personally. Derm bumped me to Tazorac 0.1% and it’s been tremendous so far. Currently 4 weeks in. Can tolerate up to 5x a week. Has especially helped with my sebum overproduction. Skin is baby smooth. Optimistic about long term use. Retinoids are the way.
I’m currently starting with 0.025 and it’s enough for me to notice a difference. I didn’t want to just launch in to a higher dosage. I am using the Menarini brand.
Yes, I saw that. He is selling a cream and wants the millions of tretinoin users to switch to his product. Even so, I did see the video a couple of weeks ago and was a little unsettled by it. Thank you so much for your reassuring response. I have followed you for several years and trust you to present good, relevant studies to fully back what you say. Love you Dr Dray xx
I think his product looks interesting and would try it but his marketing is shady. Surely if the product is as good as he claims results would speak for themselves and there'd be no need to run down other products.
Actually the effect of his cream has NOTHING to do with the effect of retinol. His cream promises restoring fat underneath skin while retinoides trreat wrinkles, acne and skin resistence. So it doesn't make much sense to say his rosting retinoides to promotd his stuff, they could perfectly be used together.
@Valeria Gopaul Exactly. People don't even think about how the diligent sunscreen use and sun avoidence necessary to use retinoides may be a fsctor involved in the reported anti aging effects.
I’ve been using the cream since September. I love it, it’s improved the fat loss around my mouth. Didn’t do much for the eye area but nasal labial folds, marionette lines greatly reduced and lips a lot plumper, especially the top border.
I've been using Retin A for about 8 years and it's made a huge difference to the condition of my skin. In addition to my face I also put it on my upper back as far as I can reach over my shoulder (for spots) and my husband commented that he could see a marked difference in sun spots between the upper part of my back and the lower; the lower having far more marks as I had not applied Retin A. My skin in now smooth and clear and I should add that I now only use Mineral sun screens and moisturisers without perfume (thanks to Dr. Dray's postings) as my skin is slightly more sensitive. It's a game changer!
I’ve been using Retin A since I was 36. If you compare my skin to women my age (58) who don’t use Retin A, my skin looks about 20 years younger than them. No comparison. When people ask me what I do for my skincare, I tell them Retin A is the gold standard. When I’ve had other treatments dermatologists always comment on the thickness of my skin.
Thank you for debunking this scammers outrageous, false claims! He is selling snake oil and blatantly dismissing science. I was disgusted by the original video when I first saw it and I left a comment letting the channel owner know how wrong it was of her to platform someone like this. So many women probably quit using Tretinoin because of that video and purchased his crappy product instead. Ugh, it angers me!
I was an avid tanner in the 90s all year around. I suffered a skin cancer removed and major skin damage. This was at 25 i stopped all sun, became bestfriends with sunscreen and got on tretinoin. Now im 40 yrs old. Ive been on tret continuously for 15 yrs no breaks. I have thick, plump, even toned wrinkle free skin. I get compliments all the time on my skin and not looking my age. I tribute it all to tret. I will use it until my last days, maybe throw a tube in my casket for the afterlife. Thats how much i love it.
Good for you! 🎉 I was the same way in the 89's and am going to start using tretinoin, hopefully I can get close to as good as you!! I LOVE sunscreen, my absolute favorite is Australian Gold mineral lotion, so smooth and provides EXCELLENT prte8!! 😊
I have been using tretnoin for a year now. I feel like my skin is tight, i can't smile, laugh. Everytime i smile i get wrinkles on face. What am i doing wrong? Also i can only use gel moisturizers as i have acne prone skin. Please help.
@@ishaje0look into ceramides and peptides.
@@ishaje0 tret is supposed to treat acne ?
@@alisonmercer5946 yep have used it for treating acne and for getting rid of fine lines.
It doesn’t. I have used it over 40 years and the first thing anyone says to me is, you have beautiful skin. These are people who have known me over 15 years and haven’t seen me for a few years. I started using it at 20. It came from Europe and I don’t go in the Sun. I should have said people recognize my skin isn’t aging at the same rate as their own. It’s not like getting a face lift and losing your uniqueness it really helps you age beautifully. I also exercise and keep my weight in check.
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I started following you fairly recently and have been so impressed with you. What I absolutely love about what you share is your calm, to the point and clear breakdown of the science of how skin works, how it behaves and how the chemistry works. That you back up your statements with stable data, scientific studies and professional experience. This video is exceptional in that you lay out how to listen to alarmist drivel and pick it apart with stable scientific data. The skin care industry and it's lackey wackos are making billions presenting false and misleading (sometimes dangerous) information. Brava to you Dr. Dray for being the sane, educated sage that you are. I recommend you to everyone!
I'm never stopping my Retin-A. My skin looks so perfectly even and I don't get much acne anymore. People ask me what I use and I say, tretinoin...and sunscreen, of course!
How many times a week you use ?
So many people look at scientific studies incorrectly or take bad studies as absolute truth. Thank you for talking about looking at a study critically and representing it properly!!
I’m so tired of ONE person misleading data and fear mongering any product despite evidence to the contrary that the product is indeed safe and works for its intended use. And then media picks the “story” up to further exacerbate the fear mongering because it generates views/interest. Thank you so much for clearing this up. I believe you rather than a conspiracy theory from someone who wants clout.
But another issue also exists: medical comunity sometimes take way too long to adress a problem with a drug/device due to not listening to patients and dismissing data that brings bad side effects.
It's not new and quit indicated in literature the effects of retinols in adipose tissue cells and there are many reports.
But the product produces so great short/long term results for skin surface that this situation is dimissed and ignored - we all hate losing our "Holly Grail".
Dr Dray brings THE TRUTH HAMMER to the party. YES!
I did see the featured video discussion earlier, and found it a bit confusing.
I'm so happy that Dr. Dray made a reaction video like this. This is the kind of content that makes me respect her personality and her professionalism.
Dr Dray, you’re so well spoken and educated. Your ability to correct faulty statements is so impressive. You are such a baddie! I’m simping 🤣
Dr. Dray, you are a role model for fact-based skincare content. I'm a PhD student, and I find your videos very critical and informative.
I have used tretinoin regularly now for 5 years, along with daily SPF. I started at 0.05% and now use 0.08%. It has cleared most of my hyperpigmentation, and my skin is more even toned and plump. The biggest difference I have seen is with my pores. I have sebaceous filaments and the tretinoin keeps my pores clear and unclogged. It has been a game changer for me. Thanks for presenting a clearer picture of the information being circulated out there..that’s why I’m here!
Hi I actually follow the honest channel and watched that video, afterwards I went straight to your videos regarding tretinoan and after listening to you I continued to use my tretinoan, iv seen such good results there's no way I'm stopping it. Thank you for giving us your professional opinion xxx
21:50 Very well done stating the fact that, this anology may not necessarily be completely accurate. I know for a fact, retinoid acid receptors tend to get down regulated with use anyway with use - meaning, you are not constantly "forcing" your skin to "work out without rest" even if you want to. Not to mention there will be a theoretical receptor saturation eventually with continued use (hence the higher strengths are not necessarily better). I think all in all, such "response" videos by Andrea are the moments when we tend to see her PhD site as she is an MD-PhD essentially and not always but mostly, PhDs tend to, by the virtue of the entire training is aimed to make you a scientist with critical reasoning skills, better analyse the outcomes of different bodies of research.
Like beta blockers provoke up regulation (of B- receptors, in the heart).
Thank you so much Dr. Dray for your response to this video! I had previously viewed this video and did not trust what he was saying since Tretinoin has worked so well for me. Also, please be aware he is selling a face cream called Adipeau.
Thanks for watching
Thank you for addressing the misinformation in this interview. I was concerned about the dissolving fat with hyluronic acid and Tretinion, and considered changing my routine after watching this. But I could not understand, how hyluronic acid could reach the layer of fat under the skin when applied topically, and then bring tretinion along for the ride to destroy the fat. I am continuing on my tretinion journey.
I started with Tretinoin a few years ago using 0.05%. Prior to that, I used retinol creams. I now juggle between both types. I’ve never had a side effect, except maybe for some slight dryness or flaky skin. Sometimes I’ll use a very light serum or moisturizer under the Tretinoin if I’m feeling sensitive. I also don’t use it every day and alternate with things like Vitamin C or Glycolic acid. It has always seemed safe and effective to me. Thanks for this video.
Want to add to the conversation as someone who used to swear by tretinoin.
I started tretinoin at the beginning of the pandemic and it did wonders for me, I have acne-prone sensitive skin and it completely changed my complexion and honestly my life in many ways. Around half a year ago my skin started to look extremely dull, lacking any kind of elasticity and was very very dry regardless of what I did and used, something just completely changed. It was itchy, red and irritated, and my skin thinned out so much I started getting remarks from friends and family I hadn’t seen for a while. I was looking so much older and wrinklier - seriously devastating.
I came across the video here in question and I decided to pause tretinoin just to try. Lo and behold, after about a month of focusing on nothing but hydration and protection, no AHAs/BHAs/tretinoin/vit C/etc active ingredients that could dry it out in any way and it is starting to come back!
I love Dr Dray and have been following for a few years now - her advice is what initially transformed my skin and I couldn’t thank her enough! However, I do think there are enormous differences in peoples’ skin and how they react to different treatments especially taking into account the environment you live in (e.g. I have super sensitive skin and live somewhere with very hard water, keeping my skin well hydrated and not irritated can be a challenge). If you’re having similar issues, I’d say it doesn’t hurt to try. Quitting tretinoin for the time being has made a huge difference to my skin both in terms of look and feel, but it isn’t at all to say I won’t be going back at some point. It’s a great product and truly life changing but long term use didn’t seem to suit my skin.
I still love dr Dray and her videos and hugely value her opinions and advice. Just wanted to add my 2cnts in, different strokes for different folks.
Yes, but you didn't just stop tretinoin, you stopped all drying and irritating actives. So it's hard to know if tretinoin was giving you difficulties or if you using too many actives.
Very brave.
I’ve known someone who maintained weight, were in their 20s, only used cetaphil cleanser, moisturiser and sunscreen. Took tretinoin for a while and noticed that their skin worsened (wrinkles and fat loss) over time even after enough months had passed.
Great comment!
Same happened with me and I have stopped using retin A .
same here. started getting dry flaky and irritated with some redness. i even use the lowest strength. because of the irritation, I developed very light tan patches on different areas of my face. now I just use tret a couple times a week and make sure to mix it directly in with moisturizer. I think it being winter time has something to do with it also.
I am so thankful for you Dr Dray! Your passion, dedication and hard work continue to bless so many
He's a founder of a skin care brand - its just great PR for his product
This is pretty much my only go to channel for information these days. Thanks Dr Dray!
Fear mongering with no scientific basis really drives me crazy. Thank you for busting this!
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video, a valuable resource! I have this exact discussion with non-experts(friends/family lol). The way you factually dismantled his argument point by point was so satisfying. Saving, forwarding and hoping it goes viral!
These people are so dishonest and misleading. Thank you for tackling this video!
"We don't have evidence for that..."
Dr. Dray: We absolutely have evidence for that.
The way I internally laughed hahahahha
I use Tretinoin and I have to take a rest day every now and then, especially in the winter. I don't see it as making the tretinoin more effective. I see it as a way of minimising side effects. I need a day off applying any products to my face so that I can allow the barier to repair and to prevent overmoisturisation or irritations. I think this can be very important for people with sensitive skin, regardless of whether they use a retinoid.
Thank you for taking your time to provide an in depth, detailed review of this The Honest Channel video. I appreciate listening to your professional and scholarly explanation as to why the information discussed by the panel on this video is incorrect or correct. Please continue your efforts to educate your audience about the distinctions between information supported by valid, credible research, and the information that stems from those who misinterpret, misrepresent, or misunderstand what they are disseminating to the public.
I don't understand why it is aloud to give this kind of statement and conclusion by preclinical studies by someone who is not verse or educated enough to get them out in the general public.
I think Dr. Dray should be contacted often because she is always well prepared as scientists should be.
This is your best video yet. Thank you. I have a saying, "Just because you keep saying it over and over, does not make it true!" In my opinion he is doing a big disservice to the public.
I turn 69 years old in 2 weeks. I've used Retin A since I was 17 years old. People think I'm in my late 40s. This guy is pretty much full of baloney. Thank you for this video, Dr. Dray!
Your skin is really glowing and youthful !
@@ashton7847 Thank you!
Sherie which Retin A
I mean which brand?
@@Musings82 I've used many brands of tretinoin. The first was Retin A. That is the brand.
I can't help it I have to say this they did not make retina that many years ago
I have been using retina A for a year now. I’m 65 years old and it has drastically improved my skin. However I use this with a good skincare routine and the avoidance of sun exposure. Happy that Dr Dray addressed the misinformation!!
This same doctor also said in another video our skin shouldn't have constant use of moisturizer. That our skin can get used to moisturizer and come to depend on it. I call BS. As a 49 yr old woman.
The man or the woman? I don’t believe the man is a doctor
Thank you so much for going over this ❤. I watched their video earlier and I was getting worried
This is why fact checks are necessary on the internet. So thank you to Dr. Dray for pointing this out. To an ordinary person like myself, after seeing their video, I thought oh no, I got to stop using Retin-A! So grateful for you to spread the correct knowledge on this!
Dr. Dray, what did YOU do to restore facial volume? Clearly you have gained it back.
Thank You, I wanted to step up my skin care with this and almost didn't do it when I watched the Honest Channel. Now I will begin using this.
Thank you so much for your clear, considered debunking of yet another person being very selective and misleading so they can sell their product. It continues to disappoint me that people like him do this. I have been using Tretinoin for 15 years plus, along with sunscreen etc and my skin is at least 20 years younger than my chronological age and my derm loves me - that is my benchmark 🙂
Thanks for doing a response video to the heaping helping of BS that man dished out.
Come thru Dr Drizzzay!! Just started my tret journey and sooooooooo excited!!
I've been using tretinoin for three years 3- 4 times a week , 0.05 , and not only my skin has improved a lot, (I even lost freckles 😔 )but I recently ran out of retinaldehyde for my eye area and started trying upping tretinoin to that area carefully and my skin is responding very positively to that, no dryness at the beginning as I would expect, I swear I can see an improvement in my undereye bags.
Could you please give a feedback about your under eyes with tretinoin? Ty!
So glad I found your channel it's important to have people who are experts in their fields, debunkig people who only want to sell their products. ❤
Thank you so much for doing this video. I have yet to hear Ivan Galanin say anything substantive about anything. On the positive side, he’s a master at stating the obvious. Lol
he just talks in circles and uses a lot of logical fallacies
Used Tret for a year and a half now. Only starting to see the results, but it's worth it. (It got worse before it got better. Persevere, it pays off.)
It certainly hasn't touched my facial fat. I wish to Zebedee it would though! 😂 That would be such a bonus.
This is why I follow Dr Dray as my primary source of information for skin care.
Thank you Dr. Dray for clearing this up! I almost believed the guy 🙉
Dr. Dray, you're awesome!! I am so happy I can come to a clinically sound resource for information like this. Keep up the great work!
I’m 25 and have been using tretinoin for years. It made my skin better in almost every way, but my under eye skin undeniably got thinner (but also softer and smoother). I had to pause to go on accutane, and it’s thickened up again. Just my own experience
It thinned my under eyes as well and I only used tretinoin on my cheeks…. My fat has not returned :/
Did you use it around the eyes?
Haven't finished watching this, but so excited to see it!! Thanks Dr Dray, Adipeau review next? 😇
So essentially, he's wrong about almost everything??
I love what tretinoin is doing to my face, these big cosmetics companies are losing so much money because of it, I’m sure they are paying the FDA to say this!
I have skin peeling from my tretinoin but its super effective. So I'm gonna keep on using it with tons of sunscreen n keep binge watching ur videos ❤️
I rely very much on your product reviews and I WOULD LOVE for you to review RETINCARE from Cantabria Labs, since it is the only tretinoin product available in the EU without a prescription (at least in Spain it is).
I love your channel and your science based, direct and "non-bullsh**" approach to skincare.
Thank you in advance!
I'm a long term retin-A user, and it has made my skin smother than it otherwise would be. It smoothed out crepey areas and fine wrinkles. I still have sagging and deep creases - there is a retin-a look in older users of having those aspects of skin aging coupled with smooth, even skin.
Have to use a lot of moisturizer with it or my skin looks very dull because of the drying effect of the tretinoin.
Thank you so much for explaining complex findings to us. This is why I've been a fan for the last 5 years. You are amazing, Dr!❤️
Ivan posted an article in Medium called How Retin-A gaslighting dumbs down skincare and encourages bullying , where he suggests that Dr Dray didn't pay attention when reading papers.....the world of science is so confusing. I wish I was able to judge for myself
go to university and study statistics and research methods for a minimum of three years
Thank you! I watched Honest Channel video a week ago,but it had so many contradictions, it left me confused. I decided to disregard it. Thanks for confirming my conclusions!
Thank you so much for this!! I am literally starting Tretinoin this week and some info like this might have swayed my decision.
Do you think you can do a review of Adipeau? It's quite expensive for safflower and black ginger extract, which is what this guy claims restores fat cells in the face. Can you review the study he did of his product too? I'm wary of in-house studies, and obviously this guy has a reason to poopoo on retinoids
Oh!! Thank you so much for addressing that, I was a little worried so I was hoping that you would. I only trust you opinion, on the Internet, basically ❤
I've noticed that rentin a helped my skin so much within the last 4 years! This guy has no clue what he is talking about! My fine lines and deeper wrinkles have gotten so much better! Skin lifted and everything!
I had that video on my watch later list, but so glad I watched yours first. Was able to get the information from that video, but with your clarifications.
Dr Dray is always here to spit facts when no one else will.
Good thing you explain and show the papers to dismantle these people's arguments. Thanks so much fir educating us🙏🏻❤️
I just want to genuinely know WHY tretinoin isn't openly sold for the general public rather than only prescribed? It annoying as hell to try & find one online WITHOUT a damn prescription!
Beauty industry as well as other industries are making the weirdest decisions based on folks like this man and his odd interpretation of data. Data analysis is truly a special skill that not just takes someone to look at the "research" but to apply common sense and other factors to draw conclusions. Too many industries are being impacted by a lack of knowledge in how to understand "research". We now have access to a fire hose of data very easily and we are struggling to get menaingful information from all that we are finding.
Hi, this is Ivan Galanin. I appreciate your taking time to respond to the honest channel video. I would like to address the points you’ve made. What would you suggest is the best approach? I want to make it as easy as possible for viewers to consider our points of view.
She already debunked you dude, give it up and go scam elsewhere. She has a PHD in molecular biology and is a board-certified dermatologist - you're just a random unqualified guy who can't read studies properly and also sells snake oil to impressionable women. Dray has another video where she talks about Volufiline, a scam product just like yours which claims to increase facial fat. In that video, she explains how it's scientifically impossible for a topical skincare product to do anything of the sort. Topicals cannot reach the subcutaneous fat layer and even if they could, a product of that nature would be extremely unpredictable and cause lipomas/random fat pockets. Everything you've claimed about Tretinoin is false and everything you've claimed about your "facial fat increasing" lotion is also false. I am sick of money-hungry scamming men like you coming into the cosmetic space and spreading misinformation just for a quick buck. Have some respect for the professionals.
@@kl0n0pin Hi Matt, there is the data from two sets of incredible well-credentialed academics that show without any doubt that the long-term use of retin-A thins the skin. This is the data that I refer to. Then there is the question of how you interpret this data --- what is your point of view. My point of view is that this data requires more discussion and investigation. Nothing more. You may see the data and decide that it's not sufficient to merit further investigation. That would be your point of view and completely valid. The opinion relates only to how we interpret the data. I don't think you are suggesting that just because there is a lot of "other" positive data, that we should ignore the negative data.
Sorry, I should have been specific with "thins the skin." Thins the upper dermis is accurate; thins the skin is vague.
@@kl0n0pin Take a look at two of the papers in her list. The Olsen and Bhawan papers. If you don't have access to them, I am happy to email them to you. You will see that in both cases Retin-A reduces the thickness of the upper dermis of the skin.
And you are right 100% that we can then agree or disagree about whether this reduction is good, bad or indifferent.
Thank you. Love that you took on this rebuttal but still couldn't watch your full video because I'm so sick of the unethical, egotistical and plain stupid floggers of misinformation on every topic on every platform.
I still think there's not enough information about tretinoin. Especially what it does to your body. Every time I start tretinoin, my joints hurt. No it is not a coincidence, because I started 3 times and stopped for just this reason. But many say that tretinoin stays at the skin level. Not true, otherwise it would be safe to use during pregnancy, right?
In regards of skin thinning - maybe they just mean when the skin is shedding it is thinning. But... To be fair several people who I know use tretinoin for years - to me, their skin looks thin. Thinner than mine. While their skin looks smooth on the surface, - it looks more 'transparent' if that makes sence - I can see capillaries and redness through it, so who knows how it is in reality
I had to go onto Accutane years ago. A side effect was joint pain. My doctor ordered me to inform him if I experienced this, because he would stop the treatment. I didn’t tell him, because I didn’t want to stop. After the course of treatment, joint pain went away. Tretinoin is cream Retin A. So, yes, it is plausible it hurts your joints. I am also not convinced it doesn’t thin the skin. Too many people are reporting this. I see a particular big pharma shill in these comments rudely denouncing anyone who claims it thins skin. I am using Tret to help keep my face clear and for anti-aging. However, I am monitoring this carefully. I always believe my eyes and my own experience.
Also, when they say skin-thinning, they mean the thinning of the outer layer-not the peeling.
we already have fifty years of research and yes your joint issue is a coincidence and it's in your head. You should see a doctor for that. You probably have a genetic condition. Also your opinions re subjective observations don't mean anything, that's not how we do science. We already know from skin biopsies that it successfully thickens the skin and improves collagen.
@@eavi1653 it's not even thinning, it's compacting and that's not the same thing.
@@SueRosalie joint pain is in my head?? I've never had joint pain in my life and even now I don't - because I don't use tretinoin. You need to do more research because you're not aware I'm not the only one with joint pain from tretinoin. No need to be rude while advocating it, because in your comment you didn't give me any facts to prove me otherwise.
I’ve been subscribed to Dr Dray for a couple of years now and she’s the ONLY ONE that I completely 100% trust with my skin❤️
If this guy was right about the fat loss, then I think we’d all be spreading it on our butts and thighs.
Not my butt; my gut though… hell yes 🤣
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AMEN!!! too funny, your comment made me laugh out loud
🤣🤣🤣 thank you for the chuckle!❤️
But we are. Aestetician and advanced pharmacy school teachs us to use retinol as active ingredient against fat. Retinol and cafeine are very effective at it.
Tretinoin has completely transformed my skin! So much that I've pretty much eliminated foundation from my makeup routine because I. Just. Don't. Need. It🙌🏼💯
I hate 'experts' like these. Thanks Dr. Dray for calling out the misinformation in this video.
Thanks for watching
Right. There's always a couple "experts" that try to make a name for themselves by intentionally spreading misinformation, usually along the lines of "I discovered secret information the medical community is hiding from you!"
No doubt he probably has a product of his own that's miraculously a "cure" for the particular ailment he claims to be an expert on. Or selling a book, podcast, something. There's usually always a financial motive for this behavior.
We always have to be sure to look into these sorts of things on our own, too. Never take bold claims at face value. I appreciate you, too, Dr. Dray!
Where's the education and/or expert knowledge supporting the title, "Scientist"? According to a 2012 press release the "Scientist", "has an undergraduate degree in German History from Yale University and a Master’s of Science in Corporate Finance from Carnegie Mellon University."
Funny that he reads out the 'proof' and never shows the proof. Not even linking it!
This should not be about love or hate. We should be able to have an open discussion without being "hated."
Tretinoin improved my skin quickly. I had to back off this winter because of excess dryness, but I didn't stop using it, I just decreased the frequency and added a better moisturizer. Thanks, Dr. Dray.
Thanks for watching
If you don't mind me asking what moisturizer do you use is there a healthy safe moisturizer out there ?
@@loriburkett5692 For me the Cerave moisturiser in the jar (with ceramides) and The Ordinary Squalane oil helped a lot with my winter dry and Tretinoin peeling skin :)
Aquaphor is the best for tackling dryness from tretinoin I'm the same in winter I just use 8t 5 days a week and plaster on Aquaphor then break for the weekends
I hope you don’t mind me chiming in here…IUNIK beta-glucan moisturizer has been working great for my dry skin the last few months, along with their serum.
Misinformation is dangerous and so prominent in this day and age. I have been using retinol for 2-3yrs and it has transformed my skin. I just turned 30. My skin looks more plump, firm, and even. I personally love it. Thank you so much Dr. Dray for providing your medical expertise and debunking the sea of 🤡🤡🤡🤡 .
what percentage do you use?
I'm counting down the days until I can finally start Tretinoin, once I'm done breastfeeding! 🥲 I've since found "Bakuchiol" which apparently is a plant retinol alternative & safe for bf! It's doing alright, def makes a difference, but I wanna bring out the big Tretinoin guns! 💪😂
@@JaseekaRawr it’s not a retinol alternative. I believe it’s an antioxidant. Dr dray has videos on bakuchiol
@@JaseekaRawr bakuchiol is not a alternative to retinol just like how willow bark extract is a not a alternative to salicylic acid it just a antioxidant
@@JaseekaRawr hahaha tretinoin is definitely a game changer!
Tretinoin isn’t as innocent as you think. I guess time will prove that !
As someone who is on tretinoin I am sooooo glad I sat through probably the longest RUclips video I have ever sat to involving a person speaking. The way you dissolved the medical misinformation was just so top tier and we so need more of that!!!!!
Thank you!!! After a month of adjustment hell I was so scared it was for nothing but at the 2 month mark I’m starting to see the benefits.
can you give us an update ?
It took me over 6 months to start seeing a difference in my skin using tretinoin. I’ve been using it for a little over one year now & my skin is in the best shape it’s ever been in. In fact, I just got a new prescription for a stronger dose & I’m going through the peeling stages again. I call it having dandruff on my face because it’s constantly shedding. I know this shedding will only last a couple weeks, at tops, so I’m OK with it.
Please don’t throw in the towel too soon. It really does take quite a while before you see results.
I started using tretinoin when I was 49, I am now 54. My skin looks so much better than it did when I was 49. No thinning of my skin. No loss of elasticity. My sunspots have disappeared or lessened. This guy is crazy.
He’s trying to make people feel fear on using tetrinoin so people but his product 😬
@@carla3693 exactly
Skincare grifter 😂😂😂 he doesn’t even seem confident in his points. She flamed him 🤡
@@coast2coast8306 to be fair he not even a doctor he has a certification on business
@@Style_224 I don’t see your point, he’s still a skincare grifter but ok 👍🏽 influencing others (with non facts) for his own monetary gain. The interviewer even stated that if she notices negative aesthetics because of his advice she’s coming for him. He successfully influenced her. So…yeah….
I've been using Retin-A for 15 years and my skin is great! Thank you for making this video. I'm so sick of people trying to scare us about every damn thing!
Have you gotten sunken eyes?
@@davidgrossman8830 I did notice about 6 years ago that I was getting a little bit of a sunken look, but I got a bit of filler on my tear trough and it fixed it. Haven’t had to get it again.
Exactly… and NO.. no sunken eyes
This is not news. This was what the experts talked about decades ago.. Also look up finite cell turnover with retin A.
I wish people scared me off this crap
My dad used retin A throughout his 70s and 80s. He would get so many compliments on how baby smooth his skin looked. I started using it about 8-9 months ago, and initially my melasma looked worse and skin looked very dry and irritated, but I think now with greater tolerance it’s starting to get better.
The first week,my skin got really dry and started peeling. After it peeled it felt tight and smooth. No more fine lines!
I have melasma, too. Mine did worsen for a bit at the start, but it is now lighter than ever. Sunscreen Sunscreen Sunscreen!
I’m using a retinal product right now - my skin just feels so dry right now. ☹️ What did you use to help with the dryness and irritation?
@rachelh9550 putting on moisture before can help. I use aquaphor on top at night, but this seems to help some people and irritate others. I've had success with snail mucin, centella asiatica, and hyaluronic acid serums, too. A daytime moisturizer with urea could also help. The one from Eucerin is nice and pretty inexpensive. I don't really have much dryness from it anymore, so hopefully, yours will be temporary, too.
@@rachelh9550 If your skin is too dry, skip a day or two and use gentle products. I highly recommend La Roche Posay Hydrating Gentle Cleanser. And then Beauty pie’s Happy Face moisturizer. I also like their Plantastic moisture balm. And if it’s super dry add a tiny bit of Vaseline petroleum jelly on top of your moisturizer.
Okay I JUST watched this a couple weeks ago and have been dying to know what Dr. Dray would say about it. I thought it was just some obscure video that she wouldn't hear about though. Wild.
Thank you so much for covering this 🥰
Thanks for watching
😂😂 Dr. Dray is the best, "loss of fat after 30 years of use, guess what aging causes loss of fat, tretinoin does not change that" 🤣 yes, thank you!
my report is purely anecdotal but in the 2 yrs i’ve been using tretinoin, my face skin feels very robust, plump, healthy and the tone much more even than before i started. i say this, however, in relation to the COMPREHENSIVE skin care routine i have been following, which includes hyaluronic acid, ceramides, anti oxidant ingredients and of course consistent SPF.
thanks so much for your input Dr. Dray, i definitely trust your word on all things skincare. happy thursday 🌸
The thinning was noted after 4 yrs of usage in 65% of participants
@@elizabethr4107 this confuses me... where does it say?
You are like a boon...you have played and important role in easing my struggle with cystic acne and yet again I was looking for clarity regarding this particular claim and here you are with your view on it.
I trust you 🤗
Thanks for watching
Exactly
I started Retin-A way back when it was only prescribed for acne. I was in my early 20s with chronic adult acne and I will soon turn 71 and have continued with prescription trentinoin all these years, even after the acne phase stopped. My skin is in great shape and I am often complemented on it and have very few wrinkles.
Were you also using daily sunscreen or just tretinoin?
My experience exactly!
@@morgianasartre6709 i also use tretinoin. My dermatologist has sworn me to use sunscreen during the day, every day. She said that even if a use it at night, the components are still in effect during the day so its very important to use sunscreen
@@poutsablue2346 That's why I'm curious if the person used tretinoin with sunscreen of just tret alone.
How is your bone structure with age any aggrevated resorbtion?
It really does take someone special to be able to accurately read and interpret data from studies and be able to communicate it in a way that makes sense to people outside of the research community; we're very lucky to have you Dr. Dray
Yup, I'm only recently realizing that with all that has been going on since 2020. It's quite interesting to see how many people don't seem to know how to accurately analyze and interpret data and to understand how to translate it into context. Scary thing is SOOO many people are using data to make decisions and they are not interpreting them properly. We it in so many industries, not just the beauty one. You big corporations making MASSIVE financial decisions from raw data that they aren't considering the context of or applying any common sense to. It's strange.
with patience and grace nonetheless!
This is hilarious. Most of the world have become scientific experts with COVID *shrug*
If you do a a little search and read couple trial papers and package inserts, you will see that Dr. Dray is wrong on this one.
@@catcutable which trials? How can I find this?
@drdrayzday I really wish everyone would stop being like an echo chamber. Confirmation bias. Everyone is ready to dismiss what is being said in the video. Tret is not for everyone , just like dairy is not for everyone and nuts is not for everyone. Tret destroyed my baby soft skin. Deep cracks, lines and wrinkles in the space of two weeks. Even my derm was horrified and tried using steroid creams to reverse the damage which did not work. My skin is now textured, cracked and wrinkled. I am angry that this product is being touted by every dermatologist without considering that there just may be one “ rat” that is damaged in the study. There should be warnings to people with extremely sensitive skin.
No. You must have been using a high strength and using it very aggressively and damaged your skin barrier and kept going. You have to follow instructions and allow your skin to adjust. Despite your self inflicted damage, it's reversible. Skin barriers heal but you have to let it heal. Many millions of people use tretinoin safely and enjoy the benefits and we have over 50 years of data attesting to its safety and efficacy. on humans, not rats. Oh and if you had "baby soft skin" why were you needing to use tretinoin in the first place lol
@@SueRosalie your CERTAINTY astounds me on what I have written on my experience. The phrase “ you must have “ totally dismisses MY experience and reaction to the product. I went to a derm because I wanted guidance on the product and followed her instructions to a T , including the sandwiching method with a moisturizer. Everyone that knows me will tell you I do not play with my body or my skin, I eat “ clean”, lift weights and do not drink or smoke and study everything body and skin that is why I went to a professional. Overdoing is not in my nature. You do not know me however I understand that you may have gotten excellent results with the product however that is not my lived experience. Tret is not for everyone just like nuts, dairy and nightshades are not for everyone. Tret damaged my skin and if you google and do some more research you will find other young women who suffered the same reactions to Tret. Sometimes it’s nice to explore other voices on topics instead of standing firm in our own beliefs/views, especially in the light of other evidence.
i'm also a doctor and I should say kudos to Dr. Dray for being so calm and composed with this reaction video. i mean, just watching it from here, i can't help with my "WTF" and "HUUUUH" and some little eyerolls and exasperated laughs hahaha I can't.
Thank you so much Dr. Dray for being the calm and composed voice of derm science. 👑
Doctor Bluestardiver, would love to hear your thoughts about the Bhawan paper? Upper dermis thickness reduced by 65% after 4 years. Melanin content reduced by 81%. Please explain how these effects are beneficial to the skin. Dr. Dray hasn't. It will take more that "they didn't say that" or "WTF" to change the facts.
There seems to be a lot of weird science targeting the beauty industry these days.
Thank you for commenting
Calm and composed? She was extremely arrogant and Ivan posted a reply on the same video of the Honest channel rebutting her and showing her cherry picked data points.
Why would she not be calm and composed? You seem weird
Bull. I have been on Retin A daily since 1987. My skin is as thick as is was the day I started if not more so.
Happy Thursday, Doc, and thank you for this response video!!
I have been using tretinoin, consistently, for decades. My dermatologist started me on it, when I was in my 20's, to help with my cystic acne. I battled acne until my late 30's and I continue to use tretinoin NIGHTLY. I now use it for fine lines/wrinkles/sun damage. I will be 50 in 2 weeks time and I cannot tell you how many times I receive compliments on my skin. I have no doubt that tretinoin, combined with my other skincare/sunscreen habits, is the reason my skin looks so incredible at my age. These fear mongers need to chill! 💯
👍🏼👍🏼happy Thursday
Agree
I truly believe that some “dermatologist” are afraid that if more people discover what tretinoin can do,they will lose their patients,so they feel the need to say all this ridiculous bullshit about tret🫠🤷🏻♀️
I started using tretinoin 34 years ago. I just turned 48. Like you, coupled with SPF use/skincare my skin looks incredible at my age. Learning about this gentleman's background makes me question the purpose of the original video. Happy Birthday!
@@nadiasspace548 none of the people in this video (besides dr dray) we’re derms
I missed this controversy the first time around and just watched the two Honest Channel videos and wow, he really thought thinning down elastosis is a bad thing! 🤦🏻♀ In the second video he says there's no evidence of elastosis, right after the word "elastosis" in the paper was on screen a few minutes earlier. Then he starts equating procollagen with collagen. So much for his "on-the-job scientific training"...
The way he uses absolutes in his statements makes me not trust him already lol. That is a science no-no.
I have been using Retin-A for 40 years, and I can assure you it works! Lol... Every time I hear people doubt it I just laughed to myself. I have a 31-year-old daughter and we are routinely confused as sisters everywhere we go. It's just a fact. So all you younger women out there believe me and trust me get your butt on tretinoin and use it regularly you will thank yourself down the road! Oh and I am going to add, everything that Dr Dray says about sunscreen is absolutely true as well! I have been using sunscreen regularly since I was 11 years old. And yes I actually apply it two to three times a day! That is one of the most important things, keep your face out of the sun! And the rest of your body as well, your legs may look great tan when you're 25 but when your past 40 that won't be the case anymore! Besides there's always self tanners and if you have nice smooth skin when you're older it's the perfect canvas for self-tanners! 😃
does it give you smooth cheeks lol ...... sorry could not resist that, , totally agree about spf wish I had all this info decades ago x
@@jennybolter1102 LOL, I guess I could have chosen a better expression🤣😂
unfortuantely here in germany the doctors dont prescribe it soley for cosmetic reasons, only if you have hardcore acne ..so i guess i am stuck to retinol...i hope it will help thoug as well:)
May I ask why you wore sunscreen regularly in the early 80s? The effects of UVA rays on aging haven't been studied as extensively back then and all sunscreens available at that time were not broad spectrum (only formulated to protect against UVB rays). The only FDA approved chemical UVA filter Avobenzone hasn't been approved until 1988 and mineral sunscreens have not been anywhwere near cosmetically elegant at that time and nobody would have worn it daily. So what was the point?
@@crystalclear7512 wrong, number one I'm very fair skin blue-eyed and we live in Southern California and moving here from Michigan when I was nine. We regularly bought a sunscreen called Ti-screen, and it was one of the few sunscreens that had Avobenzone. It was very well known about sunscreen usage in the '80s lol I don't know where you're getting that information from! The problem was the lack of available sunscreens that protected against UVA which is why we bought the Ti-screen because it was the only one that was face-friendly and had the avobenzone in it. I used that particular sunscreen for quite a few years until they started coming out with better ones. Living in Southern California and going to the beach as a blonde blue-eyed white girl and not wanting to get fried, believe me sunscreen was a very important thing in our household! The only problem was being called Casper and white girl! Lol funny though I never gave into peer pressure and did not allow myself to tan. Smart move that I don't regret.
I’ve been on 1% tret for 10 years. No fat loss in face for me and my skin is amazing at 48. No static wrinkles
Tret 0.25 did nothing for my skin personally. Derm bumped me to Tazorac 0.1% and it’s been tremendous so far. Currently 4 weeks in. Can tolerate up to 5x a week. Has especially helped with my sebum overproduction. Skin is baby smooth. Optimistic about long term use. Retinoids are the way.
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do you mean 0.025?
❤same here .. 0.025 dint do much for me but 0.05 did wonders 🎉
@@ChocolateMuffin308 yes haha
I’m currently starting with 0.025 and it’s enough for me to notice a difference. I didn’t want to just launch in to a higher dosage. I am using the Menarini brand.
Yes, I saw that. He is selling a cream and wants the millions of tretinoin users to switch to his product. Even so, I did see the video a couple of weeks ago and was a little unsettled by it. Thank you so much for your reassuring response. I have followed you for several years and trust you to present good, relevant studies to fully back what you say. Love you Dr Dray xx
I was considering buying his cream but his claims seem so far fetched that it restores fat
I think his product looks interesting and would try it but his marketing is shady. Surely if the product is as good as he claims results would speak for themselves and there'd be no need to run down other products.
Actually the effect of his cream has NOTHING to do with the effect of retinol. His cream promises restoring fat underneath skin while retinoides trreat wrinkles, acne and skin resistence.
So it doesn't make much sense to say his rosting retinoides to promotd his stuff, they could perfectly be used together.
@Valeria Gopaul Exactly. People don't even think about how the diligent sunscreen use and sun avoidence necessary to use retinoides may be a fsctor involved in the reported anti aging effects.
I’ve been using the cream since September. I love it, it’s improved the fat loss around my mouth. Didn’t do much for the eye area but nasal labial folds, marionette lines greatly reduced and lips a lot plumper, especially the top border.
I've been using Retin A for about 8 years and it's made a huge difference to the condition of my skin. In addition to my face I also put it on my upper back as far as I can reach over my shoulder (for spots) and my husband commented that he could see a marked difference in sun spots between the upper part of my back and the lower; the lower having far more marks as I had not applied Retin A. My skin in now smooth and clear and I should add that I now only use Mineral sun screens and moisturisers without perfume (thanks to Dr. Dray's postings) as my skin is slightly more sensitive. It's a game changer!
I've been doing that too, I have a lot of sun discolouration there and I use it on the back of my hands too
I’ve been using Retin A since I was 36. If you compare my skin to women my age (58) who don’t use Retin A, my skin looks about 20 years younger than them. No comparison. When people ask me what I do for my skincare, I tell them Retin A is the gold standard. When I’ve had other treatments dermatologists always comment on the thickness of my skin.
Thank you for debunking this, I hope the maker of the video sees this
Thanks for watching
He's in these comments i replied to him.
I hope honest channel replied too
Thank you for addressing this charlatan point by point with real data and study references.
Thanks for watching
Thank you for debunking this scammers outrageous, false claims! He is selling snake oil and blatantly dismissing science. I was disgusted by the original video when I first saw it and I left a comment letting the channel owner know how wrong it was of her to platform someone like this. So many women probably quit using Tretinoin because of that video and purchased his crappy product instead. Ugh, it angers me!
I would pay money to see Dr Dray and this guy face off on a live debate 😆
Could it just be hes trying to promote his products and using scare tactics?