I think the convo with Ion and andybrew at blizzcon could be the start of m+ specific tuning, which a lot of people have been asking for, for a while. I’d love it if everyone had shaman kick cd, or simply that if kicks overlap, they’re on a 6sec cd so it’s not as punishing. That’s mostly why kicks get missed in pugs in my experience. Even with the shammy that somehow has 0 kicks at the end
Bear still feels fine to me. That's the problem though. That's all it is. It feels adequate in every scenario, and pretty much nothing more. It has the "not that hard to play after an exhausting work day" secret passive though and because of that, its always going to be my progression main.
VDH buff winds me up a bit still. What other tank can do what they can right now? Any other tank I play will be lowkey shat on now cos VDH just carries everyting.
I mean unless you’re playing keys over 20 in PUGs it isn’t THAT big of a deal. Play in a guild and play whatever you want if you can play it well (unless it’s crazy under tuned)
I play brewmaster and i never run out of brews. my purifying brew is literally up every 5 seconds, celestial brew has a sub 25sec cd and fortifying brew is around 2:15. everyone talks about this gap/down time in abilities and then you fall over. I've literally never had this issue on a normal pull or even pulling an extra small pack and i'll be looking to run ~ +20s this week. 34:20 ya there's always going to be a meta, DH is meta because literally half the trash in all the dungeons are casters and DH aoe silences for 4 and a half days, removing over half the incoming tank damage. "it plays extremely well" ya because you are removing half the dungeons mechanics with silence. DH fix: lower aoe silence sigil. it's the only thing making them broken in M+.
I have tried only 3 tanks so far, bear is my ancient beloved druid and its the same boring as always, warrior is kind of ability bloated imo and blood DK is super fun imo (while other 2 DK specs suck hard).
Gdruid is bad for tanking like +40 sure, should state that this is purely for the highest level of competitive play. Makes people stray away from playing what they enjoy I think..
It's damn obvious that they talk about high end content.. Dude like you are the reason so many of those youtuber/streamer need to take sooo much precautions before every damn video. Maybe should they done it before every sentence ? It's a discussion in between 3 high-end player so it's made to be chill. And if you don't get that without warning I assume you ain't the kind of dude who'll understand such conversation anyway..
@@DF-fv1ld Mate, I understand that it is. I'm just saying these videos are the reason, I go into my +16 weekly keys or +20 and people decline me because Naowh said that GDRUID is a bad tank lmao.
@@wiqz5682 This video ain't the reason of anything ,people just want the highest possibility of success when they don't know other player. They'll go with whatever is the most meta. And for this goal they ain't really wrong most good average-good player will switch and only few will stick to their mains. That's why most OTP of non-meta spec can still play , because they are knowns are good player before everything else. It will always be like that as long as player notice the existence of a meta.
Great concept and cool video. Hearing "like" litteraly every 3 seconds makes it hard to listen to, though. I’d bet it’s over 2500 "like" over the course of this video.
This game is so easy the top 3 tanks in the world say they don't have enough experience to say which dungeons are easiest even though they have been playing PTR the whole time.... Easy game is easy, don't let it fuel your ego, makes you laughable.
@@grimwel42069 Yes, but I don't think it applies to them; they are objectively the best at this pillar of content as per all the resources and time spent on them. But since these guys can't even hold a meaningful conversation after all this time on PTR and a week of live shows just how low iq and easy this game is.
@@BusJustice He more meant that you are unfortunately in the middle of the Dunning-Kruger curve, where you think you know enough to comment but don't know enough about the subject to understand the amount that you do not know. If you listen to any of these guys go in depth on stream about tank stuff you will start to realize how much different a level they play the game on. Andy recorded a walkthrough of his Tank POV from his denathrius kill in caslte nathria, the amount of things he is playing around and considering is crazy. He is literally tracking cotank defensives so he can throw out explosive keg AS AN EXTERNAL FOR HIS COTANK when he knows the guy will be in danger without making any calls about it.
My response was towards the gushing over prot Paladin. From my personal stand point I don’t care. I play both Blood DK and prot warrior, I’m a raider, have been since Ulduar back in wrath. Please play what you want but at least try and be objective is all.
@@jeffbateman238you should chill. They raid mythic and high m+. While you raid LFR and +2 keys. There's a difference between you and the 3 gentlemen in this video. And clearly you don't know anything. Also, saying "play whatever you want" is one of the worst idea ever. Because in wow, if you want to do anything even remotely difficult, you have to be optimised to a certain level. My guild, we don't do mythic raids, but we usually try to get AOTC each tier, had a super melee heavy comp now, why? Cause people wants to play whatever they want. And the moment we hit nymue we hit a wall because there are so many melee dps in the middle + 2 tanks and 1 melee healer. That area around nymue is like a cluster fnck. So don't even come and say "play whatever you want" that's the words of a person who can never accomplish anything in life.
why is it so hard for these 3 trolls to say the itemization for BDK this season is TRASH. Why is it so hard for them to say BDK trinks are TRASH. Can't call out blizz! That's illegal! Pukes.
Big up Andybrew for making me want to play this patch more tbh. Gave me enough hope to continue on as ProtWarr despite missing S1 DF
I think the convo with Ion and andybrew at blizzcon could be the start of m+ specific tuning, which a lot of people have been asking for, for a while.
I’d love it if everyone had shaman kick cd, or simply that if kicks overlap, they’re on a 6sec cd so it’s not as punishing. That’s mostly why kicks get missed in pugs in my experience. Even with the shammy that somehow has 0 kicks at the end
Bear still feels fine to me. That's the problem though. That's all it is. It feels adequate in every scenario, and pretty much nothing more.
It has the "not that hard to play after an exhausting work day" secret passive though and because of that, its always going to be my progression main.
Funny Nao arguing about prot warr being tankier than pala. Thats basically always been the case except for sentinel season of Df pala dominance
VDH buff winds me up a bit still. What other tank can do what they can right now? Any other tank I play will be lowkey shat on now cos VDH just carries everyting.
As a dps player it's a win. But sad when I go to my prof warr and pala
Monk. Better damage and better survivability also.
I mean unless you’re playing keys over 20 in PUGs it isn’t THAT big of a deal. Play in a guild and play whatever you want if you can play it well (unless it’s crazy under tuned)
@@coops1992 nope
I wish I had been born with Droki's voice. He's the Barry White of WoW content lol.
I play brewmaster and i never run out of brews. my purifying brew is literally up every 5 seconds, celestial brew has a sub 25sec cd and fortifying brew is around 2:15. everyone talks about this gap/down time in abilities and then you fall over. I've literally never had this issue on a normal pull or even pulling an extra small pack and i'll be looking to run ~ +20s this week.
34:20 ya there's always going to be a meta, DH is meta because literally half the trash in all the dungeons are casters and DH aoe silences for 4 and a half days, removing over half the incoming tank damage. "it plays extremely well" ya because you are removing half the dungeons mechanics with silence.
DH fix: lower aoe silence sigil. it's the only thing making them broken in M+.
good stuff mate
I have tried only 3 tanks so far, bear is my ancient beloved druid and its the same boring as always, warrior is kind of ability bloated imo and blood DK is super fun imo (while other 2 DK specs suck hard).
Gdruid is bad for tanking like +40 sure, should state that this is purely for the highest level of competitive play. Makes people stray away from playing what they enjoy I think..
It's damn obvious that they talk about high end content..
Dude like you are the reason so many of those youtuber/streamer need to take sooo much precautions before every damn video.
Maybe should they done it before every sentence ?
It's a discussion in between 3 high-end player so it's made to be chill.
And if you don't get that without warning I assume you ain't the kind of dude who'll understand such conversation anyway..
@@DF-fv1ld Mate, I understand that it is.
I'm just saying these videos are the reason, I go into my +16 weekly keys or +20 and people decline me because Naowh said that GDRUID is a bad tank lmao.
@@wiqz5682 This video ain't the reason of anything ,people just want the highest possibility of success when they don't know other player.
They'll go with whatever is the most meta. And for this goal they ain't really wrong most good average-good player will switch and only few will stick to their mains. That's why most OTP of non-meta spec can still play , because they are knowns are good player before everything else.
It will always be like that as long as player notice the existence of a meta.
ironfur should just give like, 2% stam per stack
Poor dorki, he be crying 😥
Probably great discussion I just can’t understand and CC is hilarious. TY tho guys.
Great concept and cool video. Hearing "like" litteraly every 3 seconds makes it hard to listen to, though. I’d bet it’s over 2500 "like" over the course of this video.
True. I heard 5 "like" while reading your comment...
WHATS THE TANK WITH MORE DMG PVP?
Idk Blood Dk because you won't die but eventually your enemies will xd
This game is so easy the top 3 tanks in the world say they don't have enough experience to say which dungeons are easiest even though they have been playing PTR the whole time.... Easy game is easy, don't let it fuel your ego, makes you laughable.
It’s all about playtime, farming the same dungeon over 100 times makes you knowing the run, not being skilled, same this as Raid
@@frenchdream330 exactly my point… they’ve been doing this on PTR.., I’ve only seen it less than a week and I could answer these questions better…
Have you ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger Effect?
@@grimwel42069 Yes, but I don't think it applies to them; they are objectively the best at this pillar of content as per all the resources and time spent on them. But since these guys can't even hold a meaningful conversation after all this time on PTR and a week of live shows just how low iq and easy this game is.
@@BusJustice He more meant that you are unfortunately in the middle of the Dunning-Kruger curve, where you think you know enough to comment but don't know enough about the subject to understand the amount that you do not know.
If you listen to any of these guys go in depth on stream about tank stuff you will start to realize how much different a level they play the game on. Andy recorded a walkthrough of his Tank POV from his denathrius kill in caslte nathria, the amount of things he is playing around and considering is crazy. He is literally tracking cotank defensives so he can throw out explosive keg AS AN EXTERNAL FOR HIS COTANK when he knows the guy will be in danger without making any calls about it.
Dude, don’t be biased because of what YOU’RE going to play over what others are going to play. You are over hyping, you are showing extreme bias.
I mean... Liquid is literally running monk in their world first race lol
what exactly am I overhyping?
My response was towards the gushing over prot Paladin. From my personal stand point I don’t care. I play both Blood DK and prot warrior, I’m a raider, have been since Ulduar back in wrath. Please play what you want but at least try and be objective is all.
You're a bit confused. It was Naowh that was 'overhyping' but even then he did rationalise his claims.
@@jeffbateman238you should chill. They raid mythic and high m+. While you raid LFR and +2 keys. There's a difference between you and the 3 gentlemen in this video. And clearly you don't know anything.
Also, saying "play whatever you want" is one of the worst idea ever. Because in wow, if you want to do anything even remotely difficult, you have to be optimised to a certain level. My guild, we don't do mythic raids, but we usually try to get AOTC each tier, had a super melee heavy comp now, why? Cause people wants to play whatever they want. And the moment we hit nymue we hit a wall because there are so many melee dps in the middle + 2 tanks and 1 melee healer. That area around nymue is like a cluster fnck.
So don't even come and say "play whatever you want" that's the words of a person who can never accomplish anything in life.
2hrs and 20mins of uselessness. Weird energy.
why is it so hard for these 3 trolls to say the itemization for BDK this season is TRASH. Why is it so hard for them to say BDK trinks are TRASH. Can't call out blizz! That's illegal! Pukes.