So... 1. If we kill the devil splicers they can you SIVA to regenerate themselves (E.g: sepiks prime). 2. If we kill the hive they can use their throne worlds to continue to exist then eventually return to the real world (as long as they don't die in their throne world) (E.g: omnigul). 3. If we kill the vex they can use restorative minds to return minds and units back. 4.If we kill other guardians then they can be revived, self-resurrect and respawn. ...geez. If I was the vanguard, I would say that we need to focus on the cabal and the taken as they're the only people that actually stay permanently dead.
Illuminati King Trunks. So true. The Fallen, Hive, and Vex can keep on replacing their soldiers by the masses, but it's not really the same with Guardians.
I believe it was said the the Cabal are clones, so they'll keep coming as long as their cloning machines are intact. There might be some shipping time added on, but they're just as endless as the rest of them.
"its past your bedtime Crota." "cmon dad, 12 more guardiansss" **summons Crota** "aww dadddd.." "the deathsingers will have a lullaby ready, im sure." "yay, love ya Oryx!" "Night son."
"So, just interrupt the Dirge the Wizards are singing for Crota and we'll be fine." "It's not a Dirge, it's a Death Lullaby." "..." "..." "... So interrupt the Dirge and steal Crota's soul."
Omnigul said "I am duty, and the Guardians have conjured me with duty" With us completing the iron lords duty, we revived her. With Hive and Guardians being two sides of the same coin, both serving an ancient being, both having to be killed in similar ways. I mean Cayde even off handedly mentions that the Hive and Guardians were seemingly made for each other. Is it that far if a stretch to say we unintentionally brought her back?
Here's my speculation on Omnigul and the Oryx's offspring. there's also the implication that Omnigul is Crota's lover. "the mother of his spawn." If this is the case Omnigul and Crota could've done the hive equivalent to marriage and as a result are connected on a whole other level. You suggest in the video that the daughters could've finished the death ceremony after "we" left. Keep in mind that the daughters know a lot about the ascendant realms and even taught Crota about the oversoul. It's possible in the time since then, they discovered a new way to preserve one's soul. So Omnigul's return could just be a byproduct of Crota's soul being restored.
If Oryx did indeed call Crota back, perhaps it was to not risk the Traveller reawakening in response to a threat the City couldn't handle. This interpretation also fits with the Hive's use of a shard of the Traveller to drain its light in the vanilla campaign AND why Omnigul waited until after the events of the Vanilla campaign to start resurrecting Crota for realsies. EDIT: And because the guardians were beginning to make a comeback as observed by the Hive during the Vanilla campaign, Omnigul and Crota thought it best to take the risk of the Traveller reawakening and killing its spawn before they became too powerful.
Deonte Pettiford That happened a LONG time before the Hive encountered humanity. Remember, Crota fought Vex for centuries or longer and had to make his way home all on his own. Crota was just an edgy weeb who thought he was so cool with his custom made death katana when that happened.
Found the card you were looking for about Crota being recalled. Oryx: Rebuked "When Crota’s victory over our little blue world seemed certain (a moment of silence, now, for Wei Ning, whose directness I admired) it was Oryx who called His Child back into the nether world to plan final victory. It was to Oryx that the violence of His spawn was tithed."
There's a ghost scan in Trenchway that more or less explains Omingul coming back. It appears lesser Hive can be sacrificed to bring back Ascendant Hive. The Hive managed to muster up enough sacrifices to bring Omnigul back.
DANTRON there's always lore. When they decide to bring back a strike they ask the writing team to see how they can connect it in the grimoire. Everything in destiny has a lore (except maybe most of the non exotic weapons)
I really appreciate all the videos you make, Destiny doesn't have that well of an in game explained story, it's nice to go to you channel and be able to learn something I did not know, I've seen about all your videos now and it helps a lot, you have good info and quality videos, keep it up
Hey, Myelin, if you look around the Dreadnaught you can find a crystal with a Hive soul inside of it. Ghost thinks that is what happens to the smaller Hive when they die in our world, and it's up to their greaters when they come back or are completely destroyed.
and I have new info on exo stranger, I went to barns and Noble a book store and found the destiny art book and there were captions to pictures, it shows the exo stranger and says that she is the first exo, this might not mean that tho, since she can travel through time maybe she went back and was seen and then Clovis made it a mission to make them, maybe he made them in the future and allowed (prototypes) and she was allowed to keep her memories and something happened like a vex attack on that base. maybe she had a better understanding on what was going on and she figured out how to travel from timelines and then came back to try to stop them(vex)
It sounds like the grimiore card you're thinking of is when Oryx called to Crota to protect his realm from the vex that were coming through the wound Crota opened. I'm pretty sure this was somewhere in The Book of Sorrows
If I remember correctly Crota was indeed summoned back by Oryx but it was for 2 reasons. Firstly, Crota acted without permission from Oryx and even though there was little threat to be had from Crota's actions because the guardians he fought were well below the power necessary to beat him, it was still a defying of Oryx's absolute power over the Hive and therefore had to be punished. Secondly, and again this is based off of memory right now, Crota was the reason why the Vex were able to invade Oryx's court and why the hive and the Vex has such a long standoff with on another. The recall may have been out of fear for Crota incurring yet another invasion that threatened Oryx's court which if anyone remembers is where a large amount of the structuring resides that is the base of Oryx's power and absolute control over the Hive as a race in relation to their Worm Gods. Oryx knew that if Earth, humanity, and the Traveler were to be defeated they would have to take one out of the Vex's books and be patient. Humanity and the Traveler, while they might not be strong enough to defeat the Hive or the Vex alone, they may be able to do irrevocable damage to the structuring that has allowed the Hive to become what they are. Such damage that even though humanity and the Traveler will inevitably fall they could take down the Hive with them. So Oryx, being the planner that he was wanted to wait for humanity to come into a position of great vulnerability to deliver the final blow. However this is where a great problem come into play once more, Crota is an impatient child and even after waiting as ordered he became restless and began his death march once more. This was without the knowledge that Eris had been secretly learning about the Hive. So when Crota began to make his move he unknowingly gave Eris a chance to escape with the wealth of knowledge she had gained from being trapped in the moon, that same knowledge that gave the guardians the chance they needed to finally defeat him. Who knows, had Crota remained patient Eris may have been caught and killed, denying humanity its only chance at defeating him. Crota's death, however deserving he was of it for going against the wishes of his father, pained Oryx so much that he too couldn't just sit back and wait anymore. Actually a large part of Skolas' plan was because he knew the Hive King was coming and Skolas was trying to unite all the fallen forces to help them escape and survive the coming onslaught. Now fast forward to Oryx's arrival, he did not want to use the Dreadnaught's super weapon so soon because it was one of his trump cards but the Awoken Queen forced his hand by invoking the magic that she did. This self sacrifice combined with Eris's knowledge of the Hive is again what gave them the advantage over the Hive. This all went against Oryx's original plan of waiting until Humanity was in a pinch of vulnerability, because actually when he arrived the Guardians were stronger than ever before with the death of Crota and the capturing of Skolas combined with the fact that the Queen was considered more of an ally than before.
I think Omnigul is inside the Crystal thing over the hole on the PVP map The Dungeons. It looks just like the crystal where we fight the soul of Crota (this large green stone). Except it orange and a Hive wizard is inside it. That looks just like Omnigul.
I can see how it would be easier to call omnigul back since she is not technically a god, but was powerful enough to probably create her own throneworld. it would be much less grand than crotas or oryx's, but a throneworld nonetheless and would serve the same purpose
I just thought of something while looking at the gameplay of the new Omnigul strike. Cayde says that Eris isn't at the tower in the intro. At the end of the Oryx story mission when you first kill him, Eris is speaking to herself but references a Queen. I'm sure a lot of people thought that she meant Mara Sov, including me, but what if the Queen she spoke of was one of Oryx's sisters??? Maybe even Omnigul??? Omnigul represents the return of Oryx, and its already been shown that by performing acts of which these Hive beings are known for or represent that they can be brought back to life, even if defeated within a throne world. Eris sends you on all of these missions in order to get you to kill Oryx, what if that was just a ploy to empower one of his sisters or to usher in another return for Crota himself???
I would say that omnigul shared a throne world with crota, as she served as a sort of extension of his will outside of his throne world. If she were ascendant that would make some level of sense at least so I suppose it hinges on that.
12:22- Is there an explanation as to why the giant skeleton is radiating with energy? To me that seems rather sinister, and may have some underlying meaning...
its simple how. its stated in game that any ascendant can be brought back, regardless of if they have a throne world or not, by having enough sacrifices of lower ranking hive. this simply happened for Omnigul.
it makes sense that we only killed Crotas soul cuz if you look at the dark below trailer, he is solid and looks like a normal knight, than in the raid he is clear, like a ghost
Wasn't Crota get called back by Oryx outlined in the Book of Sorrows rather than the grimoire? I think it was in the section that talked about Crota making tears and the Vex seeing them starting their almost theistic mannerisms, as well as the introduction of Quria Blade Transform. I know they're essentially the same thing, but if only looking at grimoire rather than the BoS it may not have been seen immediately. Thought this may help since you mentioned not being able to find it in the grimoire.
Isn't Omnigul another deathsinger? maybe she bound her soul to Crota's death so when we kill him it automatically returns her, or maybe even Ir Anuk and Ir Halak since they are his sisters. It's not an uncommon practice, considering the deathsingers we face in the court of Oryx have bound their deaths to one another. That's why if all three are not killed fast enough they keep returning.
I remember one I of my friends saying that "named" hive enemies should have throne worlds. Idk how accurate this is but it sort of makes sense for how Ir Yut came back.
I believe that only ascendant hive have the power to have a throne world, not as grand or as powerful as say: Oryx and Crota but equally as useful. Ascendant hive, more powerful than an average knight or wizard, can create these throne worlds upon their death. This could be why thrall and acolytes don't have throne worlds, they are just newly spawned hive which have risen in their ranks. Also, I believe that omnigul is crotas mate and likely is a very powerful hive, thus granted her a throne world safe to seclude her oversoul within.
Maybe omnigul had her soul in a crystal like crota, and kept it in his throne world. This would make sense because they're closely tied to one another. She's his general and mother of his spawn; it would make sense in light of that
I think hive being in proximity to the traveller would be painful but they like pain.i think the traveller also prevents the vex from infesting earth by its mere presence
We never had any way to destroy the Realm in which Crota resided in. if his realm still exists, perhaps the Deathsingers from that death ceremony made preparations to bring her back to life or maybe since she is Crota's general, she is able to revive herself in Crota's realm as did Ir Yut.
Nice. Yo, I remember reading somewhere that the oversoul is where the hive go to await a rebirth of sorts. I am not sure where I came across this, but if it is true, maybe omnigul and Ir Yut were there awaiting someone to summon them back into the ascendant plane? Toland may also be in the oversoul??? It would be exciting to think that Crota may be returning. Did you also notice that the oversoul is missing when you travel back to the oversoul chamber to steal a bit of Crota's soul? Where is it?
Legend has it that if you comment early enough myelin games will reply and tell you what that got damn music is that he uses in the background of his videos. Tell me, I'm dying to know.
Kristian Andrews oh god if that happens he will be stronger then ever and harder to kill because of sword logic or kill logic or whatever logic the hive use.....we need to make sure oryx stays dead
Kitsune Inferno true oryx is permanently dead but so we're his sisters yet now they are back because of oryx so what we are saying is there is a chance oryx can come back. We don't fully understand hive magic and sword logic so oryx could come back.
Ir Yut, may be a title and not actually a singular entity. Granted we won't know until Bungie confirms this but it seems that only Oryx and his sisters and their direct descendants have this throne world ability.
Let's all remember that Savathun sent a thrall of her spawn into Oryx's army, to see what was happening within, and that thrall rose up with Sword Logic and became one of Oryx's greatest soldiers... Malok, given the title "Pride of Oryx" to make fun of Savathun as her own spawn effectively tricked her, though she calls herself trickery.
So does this mean that, in the kings fall raid, when we "kill" the sisters, they're aren't actually dead because they weren't in their own "throne worlds?"
Maybe she took over Crota's throne world once he was defeated. Worse yet, maybe she has an alternate way to come back that no one knows of and she kept secret even from Crota and Oryx.
So I know you've done a lot of lore on the hive in general. I wanted to ask when any larger pieces of Cabal lore comes out are you gonna be relived to be moving on or indifferent?
Myelin you got a little something wrong. When you talk about how Xivu Arath and Savathûn came back to life through acts of war and trickery, they're not coming back from their throne world. In the Books of Sorrow verse 3:6, Auryx (before he's killed Akka and become Oryx) kills both of them to become stronger to fight the Ecumene. "These were true deaths, for they happened in the sword world." So it seems that even when killed in the ascendant realm, powerful hive entities can come back.
François-Xavier Gravel he knows this when he said war and trickery brought them back he meant oryx by some unknown means to us managed to bring his true dead sisters back. as stated in the books of sorrow
Omniguls return could be directly related to the fact that the Splicers were trying to use SIVA to control the hive, it makes me wonder if the Splicers had also gotten to the Vex as well, as the Vex are machines it would be a perfect host for SIVA to perfect. On the subject of Omnigul's return, it's highly likely that we didn't actually enter the throne worlds of Crota or Oryx, and that those were simply the gateways to them, as you may recall in Crota's End Crota steps through a portal to fight us, perhaps the Throne Worlds aren't places that we can actually go to, I have a hard time believing that the Dreadnaught was Oryx' throne world, as it's mobile.. and we only explore about 20% of it outside of the raid. I mean, look at the Dreadnaught's Size, and then look at what we explore.. theres no way that the patrol area is the entirety of the Dreadnaught it doesn't make sense for it to be. I have a feeling that the Throne Worlds are all connected somehow, and that we've only just scratched the surface of what it is to be ascended hive, or even a Taken Lord like Oryx or the other two Hive Gods.
I'd like to bring up a scan-able item in the dreadnaught that you can scan your with your ghost. It is a rock that a soul is trapped in in the upper left hand corner of the wall on the dreadnaught before the dissapearing bridge you first encounter. Ghost's dialogue states that "The disciples of Osiris believe ascendent Hive to be born in our realm when the time is right, and with the sacrifice of lesser hive souls." I believe that the hive sacrificed Hive on earth to bring back Omnigul
if you destroy a hive gods throne space would they become immortal or would they become more vulnerable being able to be killed once and for all in our own world?
Hey myelin, In the tower, the banners show a crest with the three character logo's, but there one blank one. Am I just reading into this to much or is there some more to this?
If the Ir Yut can return even if she died in a throne world does that mean that the crotas sisters can? And if they can then could it be them controling the taken now?
Why is it believed that the Dreadnaught is Oryx's throne world? Is that in a grimoire card somewhere? Is it possible that Oryx still lives on his throne world somewhere else because the Dreadnaught to me always just seemed to be a massive ship and hardly could be considered a "world" at all.
It's in the Book of Sorrows. Oryx used Akka's body to make the ship then he pushed his throneworld inside out inside of it to complete it. The super weapon he uses against the Reef is simply letting a portion of his Throne world out into real space and annihilating everything in the way of it.
Throne worlds are entered through portals that can be built, and oryx did not like the possibility of being invaded so he made it so you have to be inside of the dreadnaught to creat a portal to his throne workd
Draidis yup, it's confirmed in the book of sorrows, it's also the reason for the dreadnaught having it's death star like super weapon which he user to kill the awoken assulting him.
question in the bad blood mission we see hive surrounded by siva swarms, do u think the hive could also be reformed by siva? other question who is the wizard in the crystal in that pvp map? my thoughts are they stole something from rasputin, and now she has returned this means someone in the hive control has control over the tablets, perhaps the tablets have another secret a way to reform from death almost like self res only using the darkness, i think omnigal will be in Croatas world perhaps to worship the new commander. the grimmer suggests oryx is alive inside touch of malice but it also suggests the dreadnaut was created when Orix turned his world inside out we defeated him in the dreadnaught not his world. if acts reform the hive gods, what action could represent omingal. perhaps this next relm is the deep and maybe there is a way to send gods to the deep and the tablets can open the door to that world.
Hey Myelin in the crucible map in the dreadnaught there is a orange crystal held in chains and there is a wizard in it it is similar to omnigul and it has a lot of red
There's no reason to assume she dfoesn't have a Throne World, She is Crota's Consort, someone as high in the chain of comand as her would be ascendant or at the very least on the same level as the Deathsingers, whom shoud have their own throne world as well so, I'd say she does one.
XMcupjo no dumbass i played the mission numerous times testing theories by killing everything in that room i know for a fact theres 2 ir yuts in the final room because its confirmed that other than ir halak and ir anuk everything else in that room is mirrored so there are 2 ir yuts in that room
10:13 That "Ecumene" thing is the name from one of the empires of the Forerunners, maybe It's a straight connection between the Halo Lore and Destiny Lore...
I'm pretty sure Crota does not have a throne world. He was just called back into the hive nether realm. I'm not sure Crota is powerful enough to have a thrownworld
Great video but i have one issue with the theory of Crota's Throne World. You say that as long as he wont be killed there he will return but conveniently enough his Throne World is inside the Moon. Is this just one of those "gameplay consideration" things? I'm starting to think the Hellmouth was not Crota's Throne World and us killing him was not his final death. I havent read any of the Grimoire though so if it says anywhere that his Throne World is infact the Hellmouth then consider my discussion over with.
Myelin Games I love your detailed lore videos on this, however I believe it is highly distracting to place ads in the MIDDLE of the video. Perhaps at the end of the video or the very beginning ?
What if there was a raid that was like fighting the ultimate hive threat and in the raid we fought Crota, The Deathsingers, Oryx, and then a Hive Athena that was been converted somehow and wants to go back in time to whip out the guardians, the traveler, and everything at the start of the collapse. And during that fight just like the OG Athena fight we go back in time as a mechanic and we collect relics and use those relics to make like a giant super weapon to deal damage or something.
Well maybe they exist in other hive god throne worlds. She is connected to Crota so maybe her throne world is his. An alternative is that maybe wizards come from Savathune's so to kill an ascendant wizard it needs to die in her world since she's pretty much the first wizard. The same could go for Xivu for the knights.
So I came back to this video after redoing the mission "Last Rites" for my secondary character and I thought it would help make more questions which could be answered by you. During my mission I entered the doors sneaking past with the cloaking and I wanted to explore to scan things like the turbines which aid in transitions to realm to realm, I went to the back area people camp at in the Raid and I see Ir Yut. I sneak by to the middle and pass the first turbine, then I see It Yut at the other turbine, I didn't wanna waste time sneaking past so I went back the other way and saw Yut there too. There are two Ir Gut deathsingers circling stationary turbines basically trapping me unless I time my entrance or exit. Why are there two of the same Deathsinger? Same name, mirroring each other. Both of them attack you if you incite one or anything else. Are Hive deathsingers and wizards able to clone or make a fake version of themselves that can patrol or inflict damage like the real one? Thanks for reading, I hope to see an answer to this confusing encounter.
Sorry, every time you see "Gut" it was my phone's spell check. I mean "Yut" the deathsinger that could also come back. (Horay for long theories in comments)
"In its dying breath the traveler created the ghosts, to open doors" - Eris Morn
So...
1. If we kill the devil splicers they can you SIVA to regenerate themselves (E.g: sepiks prime).
2. If we kill the hive they can use their throne worlds to continue to exist then eventually return to the real world (as long as they don't die in their throne world) (E.g: omnigul).
3. If we kill the vex they can use restorative minds to return minds and units back.
4.If we kill other guardians then they can be revived, self-resurrect and respawn.
...geez. If I was the vanguard, I would say that we need to focus on the cabal and the taken as they're the only people that actually stay permanently dead.
Daniel Eaton If you think about it us Gurdians are at a disadvantage
Illuminati King Trunks. So true. The Fallen, Hive, and Vex can keep on replacing their soldiers by the masses, but it's not really the same with Guardians.
Remember that if someone reads the tablets and talks to the deep they can make more taken.
I believe it was said the the Cabal are clones, so they'll keep coming as long as their cloning machines are intact. There might be some shipping time added on, but they're just as endless as the rest of them.
Actually, dead Taken can be Re-Taken which brings them back to life as Consumed, then Devoured
"its past your bedtime Crota."
"cmon dad, 12 more guardiansss"
**summons Crota**
"aww dadddd.."
"the deathsingers will have a lullaby ready, im sure."
"yay, love ya Oryx!"
"Night son."
Jacks fresh depression juice Wow just wow...
Jacks fresh depression juice nice
"So, just interrupt the Dirge the Wizards are singing for Crota and we'll be fine."
"It's not a Dirge, it's a Death Lullaby."
"..."
"..."
"... So interrupt the Dirge and steal Crota's soul."
Oryx I think would have yeeted him in that vex portal if he was called oryx by his son
Omnigul said "I am duty, and the Guardians have conjured me with duty"
With us completing the iron lords duty, we revived her. With Hive and Guardians being two sides of the same coin, both serving an ancient being, both having to be killed in similar ways. I mean Cayde even off handedly mentions that the Hive and Guardians were seemingly made for each other. Is it that far if a stretch to say we unintentionally brought her back?
wait... is this actually somewhere? Either way I like it :)
Here's my speculation on Omnigul and the Oryx's offspring. there's also the implication that Omnigul is Crota's lover. "the mother of his spawn." If this is the case Omnigul and Crota could've done the hive equivalent to marriage and as a result are connected on a whole other level. You suggest in the video that the daughters could've finished the death ceremony after "we" left. Keep in mind that the daughters know a lot about the ascendant realms and even taught Crota about the oversoul. It's possible in the time since then, they discovered a new way to preserve one's soul. So Omnigul's return could just be a byproduct of Crota's soul being restored.
If Oryx did indeed call Crota back, perhaps it was to not risk the Traveller reawakening in response to a threat the City couldn't handle. This interpretation also fits with the Hive's use of a shard of the Traveller to drain its light in the vanilla campaign AND why Omnigul waited until after the events of the Vanilla campaign to start resurrecting Crota for realsies.
EDIT: And because the guardians were beginning to make a comeback as observed by the Hive during the Vanilla campaign, Omnigul and Crota thought it best to take the risk of the Traveller reawakening and killing its spawn before they became too powerful.
I like what you're saying. Little did Oryx know, the traveller gave up on us for years haha
Oliver Burke or maybe thats when the vex attacked oryx throne world. A grimore card does mention this
Deonte Pettiford That happened a LONG time before the Hive encountered humanity. Remember, Crota fought Vex for centuries or longer and had to make his way home all on his own. Crota was just an edgy weeb who thought he was so cool with his custom made death katana when that happened.
Unrelated: Meylin, do you think the traveller is unconscious or is it quiet but actually paying attention to what's going on with the guardians?
15liran The Traveler got shot so it may be asleep
15liran its having a nap until destiny 2
Will you be doing a lore video for Tankis perfected since you did Omnigul and the nexus mind?
223Drone yeah
So much story not in game, quite a shame. However, it made this video possible. Nice work Myelin :D
Im supposed to be farming exotics... But this one wizard keeps kicking my ass
lol.... dont.... dont.... do it
DeD MajoR is it TheGuardian27?
Thewizard27?
0:30 *saint 14 sneaking by*
I'm not sure why but the intro to this gave me shivers. Love it!!
I love the atmospheric sound score of these videos.
Found the card you were looking for about Crota being recalled.
Oryx: Rebuked
"When Crota’s victory over our little blue world seemed certain (a moment of silence, now, for Wei Ning, whose directness I admired) it was Oryx who called His Child back into the nether world to plan final victory. It was to Oryx that the violence of His spawn was tithed."
There's a ghost scan in Trenchway that more or less explains Omingul coming back. It appears lesser Hive can be sacrificed to bring back Ascendant Hive. The Hive managed to muster up enough sacrifices to bring Omnigul back.
Omnigul returned because bungie added more content in the form of a re-skinned strike.
DANTRON there's always lore. When they decide to bring back a strike they ask the writing team to see how they can connect it in the grimoire. Everything in destiny has a lore (except maybe most of the non exotic weapons)
I really appreciate all the videos you make, Destiny doesn't have that well of an in game explained story, it's nice to go to you channel and be able to learn something I did not know, I've seen about all your videos now and it helps a lot, you have good info and quality videos, keep it up
Hey, Myelin, if you look around the Dreadnaught you can find a crystal with a Hive soul inside of it. Ghost thinks that is what happens to the smaller Hive when they die in our world, and it's up to their greaters when they come back or are completely destroyed.
you're videos are getting me sooooo pumped up for the new event and content!
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Myelin Games are you streaming on RUclips too
is this going to be on youtube too?, or just twitch?(btw i love your work)
Myelin Games is this going to be on youtube too?, or just on twitch?(btw i love your work)
Omnigul is actually the wizard inside the dungeons crystal. So the dreadnaught is Omnigul's throne word aswell or that is Omnigul's soul
I think there was a hive ritual when we were distracted by the splicers. If she is back, Crota could come back so they can remake crotas end :)
All these uploads matt! Thank you! :)
and I have new info on exo stranger, I went to barns and Noble a book store and found the destiny art book and there were captions to pictures, it shows the exo stranger and says that she is the first exo, this might not mean that tho, since she can travel through time maybe she went back and was seen and then Clovis made it a mission to make them, maybe he made them in the future and allowed (prototypes) and she was allowed to keep her memories and something happened like a vex attack on that base. maybe she had a better understanding on what was going on and she figured out how to travel from timelines and then came back to try to stop them(vex)
It sounds like the grimiore card you're thinking of is when Oryx called to Crota to protect his realm from the vex that were coming through the wound Crota opened. I'm pretty sure this was somewhere in The Book of Sorrows
I love your videos meylin, you make the lore so much easier to understand
*myelin
you're lore videos are so amazing so detailed
If I remember correctly Crota was indeed summoned back by Oryx but it was for 2 reasons. Firstly, Crota acted without permission from Oryx and even though there was little threat to be had from Crota's actions because the guardians he fought were well below the power necessary to beat him, it was still a defying of Oryx's absolute power over the Hive and therefore had to be punished. Secondly, and again this is based off of memory right now, Crota was the reason why the Vex were able to invade Oryx's court and why the hive and the Vex has such a long standoff with on another. The recall may have been out of fear for Crota incurring yet another invasion that threatened Oryx's court which if anyone remembers is where a large amount of the structuring resides that is the base of Oryx's power and absolute control over the Hive as a race in relation to their Worm Gods. Oryx knew that if Earth, humanity, and the Traveler were to be defeated they would have to take one out of the Vex's books and be patient. Humanity and the Traveler, while they might not be strong enough to defeat the Hive or the Vex alone, they may be able to do irrevocable damage to the structuring that has allowed the Hive to become what they are. Such damage that even though humanity and the Traveler will inevitably fall they could take down the Hive with them. So Oryx, being the planner that he was wanted to wait for humanity to come into a position of great vulnerability to deliver the final blow. However this is where a great problem come into play once more, Crota is an impatient child and even after waiting as ordered he became restless and began his death march once more. This was without the knowledge that Eris had been secretly learning about the Hive. So when Crota began to make his move he unknowingly gave Eris a chance to escape with the wealth of knowledge she had gained from being trapped in the moon, that same knowledge that gave the guardians the chance they needed to finally defeat him. Who knows, had Crota remained patient Eris may have been caught and killed, denying humanity its only chance at defeating him. Crota's death, however deserving he was of it for going against the wishes of his father, pained Oryx so much that he too couldn't just sit back and wait anymore. Actually a large part of Skolas' plan was because he knew the Hive King was coming and Skolas was trying to unite all the fallen forces to help them escape and survive the coming onslaught. Now fast forward to Oryx's arrival, he did not want to use the Dreadnaught's super weapon so soon because it was one of his trump cards but the Awoken Queen forced his hand by invoking the magic that she did. This self sacrifice combined with Eris's knowledge of the Hive is again what gave them the advantage over the Hive. This all went against Oryx's original plan of waiting until Humanity was in a pinch of vulnerability, because actually when he arrived the Guardians were stronger than ever before with the death of Crota and the capturing of Skolas combined with the fact that the Queen was considered more of an ally than before.
I think Omnigul is inside the Crystal thing over the hole on the PVP map The Dungeons. It looks just like the crystal where we fight the soul of Crota (this large green stone). Except it orange and a Hive wizard is inside it. That looks just like Omnigul.
I can see how it would be easier to call omnigul back since she is not technically a god, but was powerful enough to probably create her own throneworld. it would be much less grand than crotas or oryx's, but a throneworld nonetheless and would serve the same purpose
I just thought of something while looking at the gameplay of the new Omnigul strike. Cayde says that Eris isn't at the tower in the intro. At the end of the Oryx story mission when you first kill him, Eris is speaking to herself but references a Queen. I'm sure a lot of people thought that she meant Mara Sov, including me, but what if the Queen she spoke of was one of Oryx's sisters??? Maybe even Omnigul??? Omnigul represents the return of Oryx, and its already been shown that by performing acts of which these Hive beings are known for or represent that they can be brought back to life, even if defeated within a throne world. Eris sends you on all of these missions in order to get you to kill Oryx, what if that was just a ploy to empower one of his sisters or to usher in another return for Crota himself???
I would say that omnigul shared a throne world with crota, as she served as a sort of extension of his will outside of his throne world. If she were ascendant that would make some level of sense at least so I suppose it hinges on that.
I wonder if the wizard that is hidden in the map Dungeons is relevant to the resurrection of other keepers?
12:22- Is there an explanation as to why the giant skeleton is radiating with energy? To me that seems rather sinister, and may have some underlying meaning...
+I believe the card you are talking about is in the book of sorrow, about the tablets. crota asked for one but oryx put them in the ogre
its simple how. its stated in game that any ascendant can be brought back, regardless of if they have a throne world or not, by having enough sacrifices of lower ranking hive.
this simply happened for Omnigul.
The Cocytus lore might give a massive hint: perhaps Crota’s essence went to the place where everything dies…..and begins anew.
love the lore vids, keep up the great work!
it makes sense that we only killed Crotas soul cuz if you look at the dark below trailer, he is solid and looks like a normal knight, than in the raid he is clear, like a ghost
I think that since Omnigul is Crota's consort, that maybe they share a throne world but maybe Omnigul has her own chamber within the throne world.
Wasn't Crota get called back by Oryx outlined in the Book of Sorrows rather than the grimoire? I think it was in the section that talked about Crota making tears and the Vex seeing them starting their almost theistic mannerisms, as well as the introduction of Quria Blade Transform.
I know they're essentially the same thing, but if only looking at grimoire rather than the BoS it may not have been seen immediately. Thought this may help since you mentioned not being able to find it in the grimoire.
can you do a lore video about icebreaker?
Been watching your videos for a while now, actually a long time never commented so just wanted to say thanks man.
Isn't Omnigul another deathsinger? maybe she bound her soul to Crota's death so when we kill him it automatically returns her, or maybe even Ir Anuk and Ir Halak since they are his sisters. It's not an uncommon practice, considering the deathsingers we face in the court of Oryx have bound their deaths to one another. That's why if all three are not killed fast enough they keep returning.
You're right about Oryx recalling his son back.
there are 3 wizard in the court of oryx, and they have hide their death, this may explain why omnigul return
I remember one I of my friends saying that "named" hive enemies should have throne worlds. Idk how accurate this is but it sort of makes sense for how Ir Yut came back.
I believe that only ascendant hive have the power to have a throne world, not as grand or as powerful as say: Oryx and Crota but equally as useful. Ascendant hive, more powerful than an average knight or wizard, can create these throne worlds upon their death. This could be why thrall and acolytes don't have throne worlds, they are just newly spawned hive which have risen in their ranks. Also, I believe that omnigul is crotas mate and likely is a very powerful hive, thus granted her a throne world safe to seclude her oversoul within.
Maybe omnigul had her soul in a crystal like crota, and kept it in his throne world. This would make sense because they're closely tied to one another. She's his general and mother of his spawn; it would make sense in light of that
Keep up the great work!
maybe the revised omnigul strike grimoire will tell us
I think hive being in proximity to the traveller would be painful but they like pain.i think the traveller also prevents the vex from infesting earth by its mere presence
We never had any way to destroy the Realm in which Crota resided in. if his realm still exists, perhaps the Deathsingers from that death ceremony made preparations to bring her back to life or maybe since she is Crota's general, she is able to revive herself in Crota's realm as did Ir Yut.
Wow this is a really good video :D Thanks for posting, I will subscribe :D
That big ass skeleton in the crota's soul room, looks like a dead worm god
Nice. Yo, I remember reading somewhere that the oversoul is where the hive go to await a rebirth of sorts. I am not sure where I came across this, but if it is true, maybe omnigul and Ir Yut were there awaiting someone to summon them back into the ascendant plane? Toland may also be in the oversoul??? It would be exciting to think that Crota may be returning. Did you also notice that the oversoul is missing when you travel back to the oversoul chamber to steal a bit of Crota's soul? Where is it?
An ascendant hive screamed their lungs until they turned to ash, from the ashes rose Omnigul
Legend has it that if you comment early enough myelin games will reply and tell you what that got damn music is that he uses in the background of his videos. Tell me, I'm dying to know.
wait so technically there is a way to get oryx back to life.... I'm pretty sure oryx has something to do with knowledge correct me if I'm wrong
Hajri oryx is the navigator so i maybe if they discover so,etching big like a new home or conquer another race they could bring him back
Kristian Andrews oh god if that happens he will be stronger then ever and harder to kill because of sword logic or kill logic or whatever logic the hive use.....we need to make sure oryx stays dead
Hajri No, Oryx is dead, he died in the throne world, and killing an ascendant hive there kills them permanently
Kitsune Inferno true oryx is permanently dead but so we're his sisters yet now they are back because of oryx so what we are saying is there is a chance oryx can come back. We don't fully understand hive magic and sword logic so oryx could come back.
That is also true, but that wasn't the Sisters Throne Realms, so they need to be killed in their throne realms
I want the raids back vog was awesome and the atmosphere of ce is great
Dredgen Yor maybe one day soon let's hope they can find a good way lore wise to bring them back
Ir Yut, may be a title and not actually a singular entity. Granted we won't know until Bungie confirms this but it seems that only Oryx and his sisters and their direct descendants have this throne world ability.
Let's all remember that Savathun sent a thrall of her spawn into Oryx's army, to see what was happening within, and that thrall rose up with Sword Logic and became one of Oryx's greatest soldiers... Malok, given the title "Pride of Oryx" to make fun of Savathun as her own spawn effectively tricked her, though she calls herself trickery.
In the books of sorrow oryx tells crota that the traveller is his mission, not his sons. So he tells him to leave the traveller
Nice job, the video is really good
I really hope that we get the old raids back.... Had so much fun back then, just imagine a vex mythoclast 400light XD
So does this mean that, in the kings fall raid, when we "kill" the sisters, they're aren't actually dead because they weren't in their own "throne worlds?"
Maybe she took over Crota's throne world once he was defeated. Worse yet, maybe she has an alternate way to come back that no one knows of and she kept secret even from Crota and Oryx.
had fun with u!!!
Mason Gaming you were there??
yes i was the one with the event horizon and the raid cloak
So I know you've done a lot of lore on the hive in general. I wanted to ask when any larger pieces of Cabal lore comes out are you gonna be relived to be moving on or indifferent?
omingul won't truly die unless she's killed in the ascendent realm (cause shes ascendent)
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Final picture is of crill city , God wave and storm joys?
Myelin you got a little something wrong. When you talk about how Xivu Arath and Savathûn came back to life through acts of war and trickery, they're not coming back from their throne world. In the Books of Sorrow verse 3:6, Auryx (before he's killed Akka and become Oryx) kills both of them to become stronger to fight the Ecumene. "These were true deaths, for they happened in the sword world." So it seems that even when killed in the ascendant realm, powerful hive entities can come back.
François-Xavier Gravel he knows this when he said war and trickery brought them back he meant oryx by some unknown means to us managed to bring his true dead sisters back. as stated in the books of sorrow
Omniguls return could be directly related to the fact that the Splicers were trying to use SIVA to control the hive, it makes me wonder if the Splicers had also gotten to the Vex as well, as the Vex are machines it would be a perfect host for SIVA to perfect.
On the subject of Omnigul's return, it's highly likely that we didn't actually enter the throne worlds of Crota or Oryx, and that those were simply the gateways to them, as you may recall in Crota's End Crota steps through a portal to fight us, perhaps the Throne Worlds aren't places that we can actually go to, I have a hard time believing that the Dreadnaught was Oryx' throne world, as it's mobile.. and we only explore about 20% of it outside of the raid. I mean, look at the Dreadnaught's Size, and then look at what we explore.. theres no way that the patrol area is the entirety of the Dreadnaught it doesn't make sense for it to be. I have a feeling that the Throne Worlds are all connected somehow, and that we've only just scratched the surface of what it is to be ascended hive, or even a Taken Lord like Oryx or the other two Hive Gods.
I'd like to bring up a scan-able item in the dreadnaught that you can scan your with your ghost. It is a rock that a soul is trapped in in the upper left hand corner of the wall on the dreadnaught before the dissapearing bridge you first encounter. Ghost's dialogue states that "The disciples of Osiris believe ascendent Hive to be born in our realm when the time is right, and with the sacrifice of lesser hive souls." I believe that the hive sacrificed Hive on earth to bring back Omnigul
link to this quote is on this reddit page, item 12: www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3trba1/list_of_all_optional_scannable_items_in_destiny/
Myelin have You seen the omnigul lokking wizard in the crystal in mid map on the dongeuns
if you destroy a hive gods throne space would they become immortal or would they become more vulnerable being able to be killed once and for all in our own world?
Hey myelin, In the tower, the banners show a crest with the three character logo's, but there one blank one. Am I just reading into this to much or is there some more to this?
myelin the card you are looking for is oryx rebuked thats the one that says oryx called crota back to plan final victory
If the Ir Yut can return even if she died in a throne world does that mean that the crotas sisters can? And if they can then could it be them controling the taken now?
Why is it believed that the Dreadnaught is Oryx's throne world? Is that in a grimoire card somewhere? Is it possible that Oryx still lives on his throne world somewhere else because the Dreadnaught to me always just seemed to be a massive ship and hardly could be considered a "world" at all.
It's in the Book of Sorrows. Oryx used Akka's body to make the ship then he pushed his throneworld inside out inside of it to complete it. The super weapon he uses against the Reef is simply letting a portion of his Throne world out into real space and annihilating everything in the way of it.
Draidis I am pretty sure there is a verse in the books of sorrow that says he merged his throne world with the dreadnaught
Throne worlds are entered through portals that can be built, and oryx did not like the possibility of being invaded so he made it so you have to be inside of the dreadnaught to creat a portal to his throne workd
Draidis yup, it's confirmed in the book of sorrows, it's also the reason for the dreadnaught having it's death star like super weapon which he user to kill the awoken assulting him.
Selthafour\\\ Yes,t's confirmed.
question in the bad blood mission we see hive surrounded by siva swarms, do u think the hive could also be reformed by siva?
other question who is the wizard in the crystal in that pvp map?
my thoughts are they stole something from rasputin, and now she has returned this means someone in the hive control has control over the tablets, perhaps the tablets have another secret a way to reform from death almost like self res only using the darkness, i think omnigal will be in Croatas world perhaps to worship the new commander. the grimmer suggests oryx is alive inside touch of malice but it also suggests the dreadnaut was created when Orix turned his world inside out we defeated him in the dreadnaught not his world. if acts reform the hive gods, what action could represent omingal. perhaps this next relm is the deep and maybe there is a way to send gods to the deep and the tablets can open the door to that world.
Hey Myelin in the crucible map in the dreadnaught there is a orange crystal held in chains and there is a wizard in it it is similar to omnigul and it has a lot of red
There's no reason to assume she dfoesn't have a Throne World, She is Crota's Consort, someone as high in the chain of comand as her would be ascendant or at the very least on the same level as the Deathsingers, whom shoud have their own throne world as well so, I'd say she does one.
There were 2 ir yuts in the last rites mission
bobby mackey
2 Omniguls*
Moses Guerrero no 2 ir yuts
There were two deathsingers -_-, not Ir yut
XMcupjo no dumbass i played the mission numerous times testing theories by killing everything in that room i know for a fact theres 2 ir yuts in the final room because its confirmed that other than ir halak and ir anuk everything else in that room is mirrored so there are 2 ir yuts in that room
I just finished the mission to check that and..yeah, they are indeed two.
10:13 That "Ecumene" thing is the name from one of the empires of the Forerunners, maybe It's a straight connection between the Halo Lore and Destiny Lore...
both crota and oryx were killed in their respective throne realms and thus suffered their last deaths
I'm pretty sure Crota does not have a throne world. He was just called back into the hive nether realm. I'm not sure Crota is powerful enough to have a thrownworld
Great video but i have one issue with the theory of Crota's Throne World. You say that as long as he wont be killed there he will return but conveniently enough his Throne World is inside the Moon. Is this just one of those "gameplay consideration" things?
I'm starting to think the Hellmouth was not Crota's Throne World and us killing him was not his final death. I havent read any of the Grimoire though so if it says anywhere that his Throne World is infact the Hellmouth then consider my discussion over with.
I really believe we will be seeing Crota and Oryx again.
Jaquane Carter Nope! We killed both of them in their throne room, their realm, and that kills them permanently
So we enter Crotas throne world when we go through the portal in the Abyss right?
Matthew Plays yes
So is the ascendant realm the same as the throne world? Since there are multiple throne worlds does that mean multiple ascendant realms?
tazai123 the throne worlds exist within the ascendant plane to the best of my knowledge
Holy crap. Nexus: Vault of glass. Omnigul: Crota's end....Taniks: Skolas...
Oryx called Crota in for dinner and told him not to fill up on guardians
Myelin Games I love your detailed lore videos on this, however I believe it is highly distracting to place ads in the MIDDLE of the video. Perhaps at the end of the video or the very beginning ?
XionsEmpire I didn't get any ads in the middle might be a YT thing not him. I'm assuming
Who is the wizard in the dungeons map
What if there was a raid that was like fighting the ultimate hive threat and in the raid we fought Crota, The Deathsingers, Oryx, and then a Hive Athena that was been converted somehow and wants to go back in time to whip out the guardians, the traveler, and everything at the start of the collapse. And during that fight just like the OG Athena fight we go back in time as a mechanic and we collect relics and use those relics to make like a giant super weapon to deal damage or something.
Omni throne , peace Myelin
Could it be that she is or was tied to Crota's Throne world?
Well maybe they exist in other hive god throne worlds. She is connected to Crota so maybe her throne world is his. An alternative is that maybe wizards come from Savathune's so to kill an ascendant wizard it needs to die in her world since she's pretty much the first wizard. The same could go for Xivu for the knights.
So I came back to this video after redoing the mission "Last Rites" for my secondary character and I thought it would help make more questions which could be answered by you.
During my mission I entered the doors sneaking past with the cloaking and I wanted to explore to scan things like the turbines which aid in transitions to realm to realm, I went to the back area people camp at in the Raid and I see Ir Yut. I sneak by to the middle and pass the first turbine, then I see It Yut at the other turbine, I didn't wanna waste time sneaking past so I went back the other way and saw Yut there too. There are two Ir Gut deathsingers circling stationary turbines basically trapping me unless I time my entrance or exit. Why are there two of the same Deathsinger? Same name, mirroring each other. Both of them attack you if you incite one or anything else. Are Hive deathsingers and wizards able to clone or make a fake version of themselves that can patrol or inflict damage like the real one? Thanks for reading, I hope to see an answer to this confusing encounter.
Sorry, every time you see "Gut" it was my phone's spell check. I mean "Yut" the deathsinger that could also come back. (Horay for long theories in comments)