Back when "Calculating Infinity" was released Relapse Records were pretty much on fire with groundbreaking, heavy bands. Any band signed were guaranteed to be good. DEP, Nile, Neurosis, Pig Destroyer, High on Fire, Brutal Truth, Today Is The Day, Agoraphobic Nosebleed and so many more. First song I ever heard from Dillinger was "The Running Board" and is probably still my favourite.
As someone who unfortunately never got the chance to see DEP live, a one-time reunion show or something magical like that would be a dream come true haha
Honestly man, they were insane live. Chaotic, precise, perfect. Everything you would want them to be. I saw them once at a tiny venue when Calculating Infinity released and then I had the esteemed honor to open for them with my band, Fall of Enosis for their Ire Works tour. Seriously crazy dudes. DEP and Converge to this day rank as the most high intensity live shows ever for me.
@@jonathanolson1185 Truth. I’ve been a massive DEP fan since junior high (2002) and was lucky enough to see them live four times (I think the first being when they toured for Miss Machine with ETID) and no show has ever topped them. The last time I saw them was when they were touring with Deftones and I had the time of my life.
Saw them twice in the earlyish 2000s. To this day the wildest performance I've ever seen from a band. The first song one of the guitarist sprinted out on stage and dove straight on top of the crowd. At one of the shows, one of the guitarists got a hand cramp or something and had to leave the stage while the other members just jammed for about 10 minutes until he could come back out.
@@InsomniacRocker At the show I mentioned above, Greg jumped up and began swinging from the rafters during the set. He fell. Hard. And split the back of his head open. Proceeded to wipe his own blood all over his face, and played the rest of the show with a bloody red face, all while bleeding. He got stitches afterwards. Crazy shit.
Oh no you poor bastard! Their energy and the pit were always insane! I remember Greg throwing road cases into the crowd, my friend lost his shoe, he found it again at the end of the night, it was torn in half.
Absolute love Ben, such a humble dude and huge inspiration. He's local to me so he's pretty much a local legend haha, even got to jam with him a couple of times at a local open mic. One of the coolest dudes ever.
Calculating Infinity is 10/10 for me, because of: - level of innovation - you can here musicians giving 100% percent there in each song - no compromises, you won't find any radio-friendly moment there Also there are some smaller things like well written lyrics, groovy drum parts.
This album was a game changer for me. To this day I really haven’t been completely blown apart like I was when I heard that and I was use to hearing the heaviest shit available at the time. The energy he captured on that album is stuff of legend…
Same sort of things for so many bands around that time. One album for the ages- The Used, underoath, glassjaw(really 2 albums), Saosin, into the moat, prayer for cleansing, Minus, Daughters, the list goes on and on
When you see what Greg is putting out now you could see why the relationship was strained. It's so true that Mike Muir hasn't changed a bit since day 1.
When I first hear Dillinger I hated it, it was the song 'milk lizard' (its still the first thing that comes up when you search the band in youtube) Sounded like a As I Lay Dying, hated it. A few years later I heard 43% burnt, when that opening breakdown hit I felt like I had my sphincter was ripped out through my ears, so much disorganized chaos, it was beautiful and I was sold straight away. I saw one those 'first time reactions' to %43 burnt and he said it was like the musical equivalent of falling down a cliff and drowning in a heavy rapid moving stream.
@@alexfreakdaxer927 I looked into it more. This is what I wrote earlier....Ben's comments I think are telling such as "We have different values and different ways of life.... different loyalties. I’m just the same guy as I always was. I have the same friends from when I was a kid. I still live in New Jersey" If you peel things back Greg is the one who has changed drastically out of everyone. Dillinger is an East Coast band and Greg moves out to LA, dates a pornstar, has drug mental breakdown...etc. Used to be jacked hardcore dude that you were scared of and then morphed into fashionable skinnier guy. It's almost as if Ben is calling these things out the way he mentions he hasn't changed and lives in NJ still. I know there was a similar issue with CKY being east coast band and the lead singer moved out to LA(kind of around the time Greg did) and that did put a huge strain on the band.
I remember seeing an interview with Ben and Greg after the break up and Ben was saying about Greg something like: "You know we're getting older, and it's not a normal thing to be screaming your lungs out for a whole show, for a whole tour". So I guess Greg wanted to sing more, probably to save his voice a little but singing doesn't fly much more than breakdowns with DEP!
Not sure but Ben's comments I think are telling such as "We have different values and different ways of life.... different loyalties. I’m just the same guy as I always was. I have the same friends from when I was a kid. I still live in New Jersey" If you peel things back Greg is the one who has changed drastically out of everyone. Dillinger is an East Coast band and Greg moves out to LA, dates a pornstar, has drug mental breakdown...etc. Used to be jacked hardcore dude that you were scared of and then morphed into fashionable skinnier guy. It's almost as if Ben is calling these things out the way he mentions he hasn't changed and lives in NJ still. I know there was a similar issue with CKY being east coast band and the lead singer moved out to LA(kind of around the time Greg did) and that did put a huge strain on the band.
dimitri has said before he's asked ben if he wanted to do a calculating reunion tour multiple times and nothing ever came of it, probably because of how busy ben is. ben and dimitri do have a project together but they only made one song and the project has been on hold ever since because of how busy ben is
Well sometimes people are just too different to make things work, they both helped each other create a legendary status as musicians through Dillinger.
I'm glad DEP broke up now that Ben is a family man. It would feel dishonest to be playing gloomy music only to return home to be playing hubbie and daddy.
To this day I’ve never understood what’s to like about these. Like nails on chalkboard. That said, what is one song y’all would recommend to listen n see?
A good song to ease you into Dillinger would be Symptom of Terminal Illness. It's like learning a new language, nothing makes sense for a while and then you start to get it. Put in the time and their music is really really rewarding.
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Legendary album! Nobody has ever done that style better than they did on that record.
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I thought u didn't like "pretensious" technical punk music
@@usualdosage7287 dillinger is the farthest thing from that “pretentious” style of technical music though. He obviously realizes that.
@@usualdosage7287 If you’re calling Dillinger pretentious then you have no idea what you’re talking about
Fully agreed
Back when "Calculating Infinity" was released Relapse Records were pretty much on fire with groundbreaking, heavy bands. Any band signed were guaranteed to be good. DEP, Nile, Neurosis, Pig Destroyer, High on Fire, Brutal Truth, Today Is The Day, Agoraphobic Nosebleed and so many more. First song I ever heard from Dillinger was "The Running Board" and is probably still my favourite.
I remember all that very well. TRB was on 1 of those Contamination sampler CD's. I might still have it.
You forgot Mastodon, Baroness, Red Fang and Dying Fetus. Those bands are also part of the bread and butter of RR.
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you two excellent people with great tastes have both named some of the most incredible bands!!!
As someone who unfortunately never got the chance to see DEP live, a one-time reunion show or something magical like that would be a dream come true haha
Honestly man, they were insane live. Chaotic, precise, perfect. Everything you would want them to be. I saw them once at a tiny venue when Calculating Infinity released and then I had the esteemed honor to open for them with my band, Fall of Enosis for their Ire Works tour. Seriously crazy dudes. DEP and Converge to this day rank as the most high intensity live shows ever for me.
@@jonathanolson1185 Truth. I’ve been a massive DEP fan since junior high (2002) and was lucky enough to see them live four times (I think the first being when they toured for Miss Machine with ETID) and no show has ever topped them. The last time I saw them was when they were touring with Deftones and I had the time of my life.
Saw them twice in the earlyish 2000s. To this day the wildest performance I've ever seen from a band. The first song one of the guitarist sprinted out on stage and dove straight on top of the crowd. At one of the shows, one of the guitarists got a hand cramp or something and had to leave the stage while the other members just jammed for about 10 minutes until he could come back out.
@@InsomniacRocker At the show I mentioned above, Greg jumped up and began swinging from the rafters during the set. He fell. Hard. And split the back of his head open. Proceeded to wipe his own blood all over his face, and played the rest of the show with a bloody red face, all while bleeding. He got stitches afterwards. Crazy shit.
Oh no you poor bastard! Their energy and the pit were always insane! I remember Greg throwing road cases into the crowd, my friend lost his shoe, he found it again at the end of the night, it was torn in half.
Absolute love Ben, such a humble dude and huge inspiration. He's local to me so he's pretty much a local legend haha, even got to jam with him a couple of times at a local open mic. One of the coolest dudes ever.
I feel privileged to have gotten to see them live as many times as I did. No one like them.
2:26 "I don't agree with that, but" LOL damn
Definitely thought he said that but it felt like the sound cut out right at that moment lol
He was way too quick to say he doesn’t miss playing in Dillinger 😂😂
No he wasn’t, I’m glad he didn’t hesitate. Shows a willingness towards honesty
@@billyalarie929 I wasn’t being that serious. I appreciate his honesty too.
Calculating Infinity is 10/10 for me, because of:
- level of innovation
- you can here musicians giving 100% percent there in each song
- no compromises, you won't find any radio-friendly moment there
Also there are some smaller things like well written lyrics, groovy drum parts.
Yup. Arguably greatest album of all time
This album was a game changer for me. To this day I really haven’t been completely blown apart like I was when I heard that and I was use to hearing the heaviest shit available at the time. The energy he captured on that album is stuff of legend…
Same sort of things for so many bands around that time. One album for the ages- The Used, underoath, glassjaw(really 2 albums), Saosin, into the moat, prayer for cleansing, Minus, Daughters, the list goes on and on
An absolute classic. Unrivaled to this day.
When you see what Greg is putting out now you could see why the relationship was strained. It's so true that Mike Muir hasn't changed a bit since day 1.
He likes music that sounds like old Madonna now.
@@TheLordGoatKiller be Killed and Better Lovers would like a word, not to mention Mirrorcell 😆
When I first hear Dillinger I hated it, it was the song 'milk lizard' (its still the first thing that comes up when you search the band in youtube) Sounded like a As I Lay Dying, hated it.
A few years later I heard 43% burnt, when that opening breakdown hit I felt like I had my sphincter was ripped out through my ears, so much disorganized chaos, it was beautiful and I was sold straight away. I saw one those 'first time reactions' to %43 burnt and he said it was like the musical equivalent of falling down a cliff and drowning in a heavy rapid moving stream.
Calculating was the peak for me and maybe the best album ever of all time
2:22 "You [and Greg] have a similar ethic at the bottom of it."
"I don't agree with that."
Well that was awkward. 😂
There was a quick edit there too.. he probably said some shit 😅
“I wrote that on acoustic”
Is…. Is he talking about Calculating Infinity?
Did he just say he wrote Calculating Infinity on acoustic guitar?
Yes, he did!
He doesn't like Greg at all by the sounds of that. Glad I got to see them live (5 times) when they were together.
Whats the issue with him and Greg
@@83442handle I wanna know it
@@alexfreakdaxer927 I looked into it more. This is what I wrote earlier....Ben's comments I think are telling such as "We have different values and different ways of life.... different loyalties. I’m just the same guy as I always was. I have the same friends from when I was a kid. I still live in New Jersey"
If you peel things back Greg is the one who has changed drastically out of everyone. Dillinger is an East Coast band and Greg moves out to LA, dates a pornstar, has drug mental breakdown...etc. Used to be jacked hardcore dude that you were scared of and then morphed into fashionable skinnier guy. It's almost as if Ben is calling these things out the way he mentions he hasn't changed and lives in NJ still.
I know there was a similar issue with CKY being east coast band and the lead singer moved out to LA(kind of around the time Greg did) and that did put a huge strain on the band.
I think it’s pretty simple really. Greg’s one of my favorite vocalists of all time but he’s clearly a douche bag
One of the few bands I believe have not one dud lp in the bunch
Holy shit I didn’t know Ben is playing in ST.
Was their some tension between him and Greg? And was that a big reason why they quit?
I remember seeing an interview with Ben and Greg after the break up and Ben was saying about Greg something like: "You know we're getting older, and it's not a normal thing to be screaming your lungs out for a whole show, for a whole tour". So I guess Greg wanted to sing more, probably to save his voice a little but singing doesn't fly much more than breakdowns with DEP!
Not sure but Ben's comments I think are telling such as "We have different values and different ways of life.... different loyalties. I’m just the same guy as I always was. I have the same friends from when I was a kid. I still live in New Jersey"
If you peel things back Greg is the one who has changed drastically out of everyone. Dillinger is an East Coast band and Greg moves out to LA, dates a pornstar, has drug mental breakdown...etc. Used to be jacked hardcore dude that you were scared of and then morphed into fashionable skinnier guy. It's almost as if Ben is calling these things out the way he mentions he hasn't changed and lives in NJ still.
I know there was a similar issue with CKY being east coast band and the lead singer moved out to LA(kind of around the time Greg did) and that did put a huge strain on the band.
@@PRLXS84 Very sad situation.
The "one of us is a killer" album was lyrically about Greg and Ben disharmonic relationship if i remember correctly
Well if the problem is Greg they can make a reunion with Dimitri. That would be the best thing ever. Calculating infinity is the best album ever
Calculating is amazing, in my opinion "Option Paralysis" is the best album. I like Dimitri, but Greg is next level.
dimitri has said before he's asked ben if he wanted to do a calculating reunion tour multiple times and nothing ever came of it, probably because of how busy ben is. ben and dimitri do have a project together but they only made one song and the project has been on hold ever since because of how busy ben is
@@internetguy9531well, apparently Ben has decided to do a few shows now. Nice.
@@internetguy9531well they did the 3 shows. I went to one, was glorious
Their shows reminded me of the movie 7. Like I was about to be serial murdered at any point.
Damn, def fired shots at greg
Seems like Ben and Greg aren't on the best terms
It's very sad for me, they are just my favorite singer and my favorite guitarrist.
Well sometimes people are just too different to make things work, they both helped each other create a legendary status as musicians through Dillinger.
Pretty obvious he and Greg hate eachother. Cancel those reunion plans
Yeah what the hell is going on there
Who cares dimitri fit the band better
@@bugsboo1490 Greg is the best, my opinion.
fuck yeah
Yay!!!
So... is there a AAA pressing of Calculating Infinity, then?
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At least now he plays music he cares about
Eyyeeech
NO GOOD ART COMES FROM COMFORT
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Friggin weirdos. I heard Liam used to lap his own A
His what now
@@dasenase think he said “lick his own Ahole 👅 🕳️ “ ……..👍
Ben is jealous of Greg. Fact
Woahh what makes you say that? I did sense some friction when he talked about Greg.. but goddamn, Ben is so fucking talented
I'm glad DEP broke up now that Ben is a family man. It would feel dishonest to be playing gloomy music only to return home to be playing hubbie and daddy.
Pretty terrible interviewer. Glad Ben did most of the talking to get some decent insight
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To this day I’ve never understood what’s to like about these. Like nails on chalkboard. That said, what is one song y’all would recommend to listen n see?
A good song to ease you into Dillinger would be Symptom of Terminal Illness. It's like learning a new language, nothing makes sense for a while and then you start to get it. Put in the time and their music is really really rewarding.
Thanks. I will. Appreciate ya
Widower is was the song than showed me the way.