Game of the Year Lists are Garbage and We Need to Unionize! [CC]

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  • Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024

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  • @heresieirisee
    @heresieirisee 5 лет назад +97

    I'm always here for discussion of the video game industry's horrendous labour practices

  • @neckpeck2738
    @neckpeck2738 5 лет назад +121

    Love the leftist jokes and the Deltarune remixes in the background.

  • @0hate9
    @0hate9 5 лет назад +12

    I like how this video actually is about ethics in games journalism.

  • @discord20
    @discord20 5 лет назад +14

    Unionize everything. Unionize literally everything.

  • @mothtolias
    @mothtolias 5 лет назад +48

    I've thought "oh cool, sarah has jade harley merch!" literally every time I watch your stuff and somehow you saying you're a homestuck still blew my mind

  • @UncleverCarapace
    @UncleverCarapace 5 лет назад +75

    There's 5 things for me to play.
    Also, I can't wait for your video about how Homestuck is good actually.

  • @friedeggs5680
    @friedeggs5680 5 лет назад +23

    ✅breadtube memes
    ✅shitting on unethical work practices and commenting on the digital start up community at large
    ✅supporting indie developers
    Yup. I’m in the right place! ❤️ i really enjoy learning about new indie games so this was really helpful. Also!! Don’t scare me like that!! for a hot second i panicked cuz i was worried you were going to ruin your jacket 😭

  • @indigolabsindegoshark
    @indigolabsindegoshark 5 лет назад +8

    polygon just unionized

  • @theMoporter
    @theMoporter 5 лет назад +20

    Correction: there is a new Game Dev Union in the UK!

  • @adamschlinker972
    @adamschlinker972 5 лет назад +31

    My inner thoughts at about 5:00...
    "Haha. Left-tuber, that's funny."
    "Hahahaha. Is that person drinking soy??"
    "HAHAHAHAH skulls that's funny I've noticed a common theme of skulls in people I watch."
    "Wait....what is that?? Is that... soy sauce? Oh that's clever."
    ".......no....no WAIT! THE WHITE JACKET FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOT ON THE WHITE JACKET!!!"
    "oh okay it's alright"

    • @elfinvale
      @elfinvale 5 лет назад

      Literally me lmao
      I reckon the attempt counts as much as anything tbh. The sensory nightmare of pouring foodstuffs over oneself gives me sympathetic cringe lmao

  • @amiyeyo
    @amiyeyo 5 лет назад +20

    i remember looking at the steam choice awards and seeing one (1) indie game nomination total, alongside several nominations for another one of todd howard's rEvAMps, so boy this hits home.
    that is to say - with all the issues in the gaming industry your focus on indie game developers is really refreshing and necessary! great vid!

  • @FrankieSmileShow
    @FrankieSmileShow 5 лет назад +19

    The crunch time problem is so pervasive in the industry, that you don't even necessarily need the pressure of a job to be under it. A LOT of people overwork themselves even on personal projects. I imagine that work on youtube videos and stuff can bring similar problems for similar reasons. I have been trying to work more healthily on my game projects, but no matter what you do, that ideal of the starving artist who defines themselves through their work is hard to shake off, and the pang of guilt whenever you take time for yourself is always there. Even when a capitalist isn't literally doing it to us, our brains have bathed in the fluids of capitalism for so long, that we often hurt ourselves for the benefit of our projects regardless. We need to collectively learn to value ourselves and each other more than the market value of our work, and it's a difficult change to internalize.

    • @bookfan1239
      @bookfan1239 5 лет назад +4

      FrankieSmileShow I’m just going to take a screenshot of this comment so I can look at this whenever I feel guilty about not working if that’s ok

  • @zacharycoleman1117
    @zacharycoleman1117 5 лет назад +3

    I actually lost focus for several seconds when I noticed the background music was a Rude Buster remix.
    Oh, and... Good video.

  • @BrineWalsh
    @BrineWalsh 5 лет назад +8

    thank you so much for your closed captions

  • @juneguts
    @juneguts 5 лет назад +19

    sent this video to my friend (hi, friend!)
    and
    immediately patron'd kitty horrorshow and holy shit these are amazing recommendations and i feel great about
    this praxis

  • @ThePlayingField
    @ThePlayingField 5 лет назад +10

    Thank you so much for making this video. At the end of last year I was involved in a protracted crunch period to ship a game, the same time that a lot of the Rockstar crunch stories started to get published. My conditions were nowhere near as bad as the ones they were going through, but I started noticing a bunch of similarities between what they were going through and what I started noticing with myself.
    Specifically (and I hope this isn't too strange to get into), I noticed myself drinking more, especially since I was staying late more often. Seeing those working on RDR2 relate their own drinking problems in relation to my own habits changing, I was fairly disturbed with myself. Fortunately it was only a couple of months of extended hours before our game shipped, and I've been able to start working towards a more healthy intake again. I can't imagine how I would've worsened over the course of a year or two.
    I've had trouble convincing coworkers for a need to unionize, so to hear someone outside the industry reaffirm that is energizing. Solidarity!

    • @letstalkaboutstuff
      @letstalkaboutstuff  5 лет назад +5

      sometimes people just don't recognize that the conditions they're in are unacceptable, because it's all they've known. it's important for people outside of the industry to be loud about this stuff because it's precisely the kind of thing that, with time, might get people IN the industry to rethink their position on unions.

  • @VioletSadi
    @VioletSadi 4 года назад +2

    "A diverse machine is still made of disposable parts" is the perfect summation

  • @angelalawter2663
    @angelalawter2663 5 лет назад +18

    I'm hyped for this Sarah! I've never been a huge fan of these GOTY lists, but there is one reviewer who I think always manages to be very thoughtful and entertaining with his year-end lists. I want to see if any of your arguments apply to people like him...

    • @angelalawter2663
      @angelalawter2663 5 лет назад

      Haha, I love the betrayal of my expectations! Maybe I should have read the video description or something, lol.

    • @mothtolias
      @mothtolias 5 лет назад

      @@angelalawter2663 I'm not sure I understand

    • @angelalawter2663
      @angelalawter2663 5 лет назад +2

      @@mothtolias I read the title only and thought this was going to literally be about why lists are bad. But actually it's more of a critique of the exploitative practices in the game industry and that focusing on the 'best' games perpetuates the problem. Does that clear it up?

    • @2Fiddle4U
      @2Fiddle4U 5 лет назад

      ... If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, 'cause I gotta say, I'm hoping he does another one, for something, anything, all three of his were insighful

  • @lunabellsprout
    @lunabellsprout 5 лет назад +13

    this was a REALLY fun and informative video, sarah, i loved it. thanks!!

  • @xMidnightxRunnerx
    @xMidnightxRunnerx 5 лет назад +3

    "Ethics in game development!"
    I almost inhaled my hot tea because I started laughing, thanks
    Also YES Kitty Horrorshow I have been screaming about her for a couple of years now - I would describe Anatomy as being about making a home analogous to a human body, and then turning that to be incredibly, stomach-squirmingly violent... all while you are the only character in the game. There's no one else except you and her voice through cassette tapes. It's so masterful, and I totally agree with your assessment that she's going to be doing something Silent Hill 2-level notable in her career.
    I love it when RUclipsrs I follow recommend indie games that have slipped under the radar, so I'll be checking some of those out! Thanks!

  • @ciriknockoff5738
    @ciriknockoff5738 5 лет назад +1

    God, your videos just keep getting better and better. Not only the jokes (these are great too) but the content and research that goes into it, wow. Keep it up like that and I'm sure your channel is gonna grow fast

  • @TeamNutshell
    @TeamNutshell 5 лет назад +1

    I spy...TJ and Amal omnibus...and an Emily Caroll comic...and Evangelion DVDs only legends have foretold of...lemme just...*reaches into screen*
    But seriously I usually like end-of-year lists since I like listening to people whose opinion I respect talk about the things they like, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it has to be to be numbered or ignore criticism or cater to subjects everyone already knows about. I say all this even though I don’t play video games very often myself, lol. But yeah great vid.

  • @atlas-wr5bf
    @atlas-wr5bf 5 лет назад +6

    heather flowers was also on genderwreaked which is excellent

  •  5 лет назад +1

    you have really been knocking it out of the park lately. this video is so fucking good.

  • @tokuyou3811
    @tokuyou3811 5 лет назад +8

    this is a very clever and well made video

  • @gwashnado5726
    @gwashnado5726 5 лет назад +2

    omg you included Heather Flowers' work! :3

  • @kyleek6152
    @kyleek6152 5 лет назад +3

    I’m blown away by how many people I’ve met who see no problem with how the industry is run, like “oh that’s just the way it is, that’s what you gotta do if you wanna work in video games”

    • @letstalkaboutstuff
      @letstalkaboutstuff  5 лет назад +1

      it's a sad truth that most people just don't want to think about how the stuff they like gets made, and who suffers in the process.

  • @noeljones3809
    @noeljones3809 5 лет назад +2

    the deltarune remix almost made me cry at the end of the vid just like it did when i played deltarune ahh
    This video is wonderful, I’m excited to play the games you suggested 💖

  • @moxis9260
    @moxis9260 5 лет назад +1

    just found your channel yesterday and i'm so glad! this video was SO amazing, it deserves a million more views. this is important stuff.

  • @magical571
    @magical571 5 лет назад +1

    Your videos make me happy

  • @Artemisio987
    @Artemisio987 5 лет назад +1

    i will be sure to check all of your reccomendations! (and the homestuck "beautiful mind" montage made me lol)

  • @thimblepunk7359
    @thimblepunk7359 5 лет назад +3

    Agree but also I still love BDG game of the year video

  • @friendoftheoyster3906
    @friendoftheoyster3906 3 года назад +1

    OOh Imperishable Memories really reminds me of Ratboy Genius's art style. Ill definitely check it out

  • @Tanukitsune2
    @Tanukitsune2 5 лет назад +1

    OH! I've played Kitty Horrorshow's Anatomy!

  • @CastToVoid
    @CastToVoid 5 лет назад

    I work a tech gig and overwork is severely discouraged. We seem to be an anomaly as any other similar workplace seems to be about overwork. Less emphasis is needed on the amount of work as efficiency is. Also game journalism is thrash. Thanks for the video!

  • @hibiscus-heron
    @hibiscus-heron 5 лет назад

    Thank you for making this! It really explains and summarizes this so clearly, and your asides are hilarious. I'm really glad I found your channel.
    My partner works in games and I think a lot of this, combined with some weird company bro culture makes it a difficult place to work.
    He does make his own indie games in his free time. The amount of labour that goes into a game is huge and sometimes I don't think people realize the time it takes, or the money it takes to fairly pay everyone involved for their time. If you're interested his latest game is called It's You: A Breakup Story, which is a sort of visual novel about breaking up with your shitty emotionally manipulative boyfriend. It's five dollars, and I think everyone who helped work on it gets 10% of the sales and then 20% gets donated to Atira, women's shelter and support organization in BC.
    Steam:
    store.steampowered.com/app/878020/Its_You_A_Breakup_Story/
    Itch (I think they take a smaller cut than steam) :
    brwarner.itch.io/its-you-breakup
    Also full disclosure I did some art for this game too and get some royalties so there is no ethics in games journalism I guess. Am I doing that joke right

  • @BoneMachine1443
    @BoneMachine1443 5 лет назад +3

    Surely the ethics-in-games-journalism brigade will spearhead demand for better coverage of and discussion around exploitative labour practices in the games industry. Surely!

  • @annamnemonic
    @annamnemonic 5 лет назад +2

    this makes me want to play video games again. thank you for the recommendations! :D

  • @felidaefatalis
    @felidaefatalis 5 лет назад +5

    OH MY GOD IT'S ME IM CRYING SARAH I LOVE YOU

  • @mcarlisle3559
    @mcarlisle3559 5 лет назад

    only 7 minutes in and this was so much better than i thought

  • @batfamiliar
    @batfamiliar 5 лет назад +1

    5:11 - 5:44 me, the entire time, screaming: Take off the jacket, it's white, take off the jaaaaaacket! Uff, thank God.

  • @powerpill
    @powerpill 5 лет назад

    brilliant, incredible, amazing, show stopping, spectacular, never the same, totally unique, completely not ever been done before

    • @letstalkaboutstuff
      @letstalkaboutstuff  5 лет назад

      thank you for your very earnest and sincerely-meant comment

  • @meandkitty8387
    @meandkitty8387 4 года назад +1

    It's kinda super sad that I think it's the first time in a long time I hear someone mention an Iranian person in a not awful way or linked to an awful conversation. And it was in passing, as sort of a joke, so I guess the bar was extremely low. But yeah go find the Iranian devs and give them your money.

  • @goncharov000
    @goncharov000 5 лет назад +6

    yeah there's something disturbing about games publications publishing an article or video about a really serious issue regarding a game or its production, and then proceed to act like it never happened,

  • @LauraCrone
    @LauraCrone 5 лет назад +3

    Hello
    Thank you for making
    This RUclips video.

  • @riverhughes7027
    @riverhughes7027 5 лет назад +1

    She forgot Ollie and the sauce

  • @PixelHead777
    @PixelHead777 5 лет назад +1

    I'm prolly gonna get meatpunks when I get the money thanks to this vid, just by the by the by. It's so great.

  • @ryangunnison38
    @ryangunnison38 4 года назад +1

    Hurray! Its 2020! Good thing none of what was mentioned in the beginning of the video is happening anymore and everything is alright (: (:

  • @thenebulasystem8251
    @thenebulasystem8251 5 лет назад

    Indie Dev Suggestion!!!
    We Need Bees makes an adorable game series called InvestiGator about a doofy detective alligator and all his animal friends. While safe for kids the humor is very clever and would entertain adults as well. The whole series is packaged into one game currently and there are more on the way. They are short story-rich adventure games, but they’re very smart and great and I love them. WNB also has a short little gag game that places you in the role of Vice President Joe Biden as he procrastinates and reads Garfield comics. I SUGGEST YOU BUY THESE GAMES DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GET THEM FOR FREE! SKIP OUT ON YOUR DAILY LATTE AND SPEND THAT CASH SUPPORTING INDIE DEVS!!
    Here’s where you can buy the games:
    weneedbees.itch.io
    ALSO full disclosure, *ethics in game journalism muttered under my breath* I am friends with one of the devs BUT I PUT MY BIAS ASIDE BECAUSE THESE GAMES ARE GREAT. To prove my lack of bias I will admit that there are some rare bugs that will occur but these games were made by literally three people so I mean CMON!!

  • @tardisgrump
    @tardisgrump 5 лет назад +1

    there is a game i backed on kickstarter called "pinstripe". its an indie game about a guy looking for his daughter and the artstyle and music are incredible.its a simple platformer with a couple puzzles . i 100% recommend it

  • @robertthomas8628
    @robertthomas8628 5 лет назад +1

    yooooo I love the look of imperishable memories, sorta like lo fi but visual? cool shit!

  • @Danimaltl
    @Danimaltl 5 лет назад

    I just started reading On Video Games by Soraya Murray, saw the words 'game theory' in it, and nearly died.

    • @Danimaltl
      @Danimaltl 5 лет назад +1

      It's a good SJW Cultural Studies look at video games btw. Darn expensive though...

  • @risky_busine55
    @risky_busine55 5 лет назад

    Honestly you're on that real shit and I love it. Also I like ur fashion sense, keep up the great work.

  • @Like4Hurricane2
    @Like4Hurricane2 Год назад +1

    Every industry needs unionization... Except for law enforcement. No cops at pride, and no cops unionizing while simultaneously tear gassing other unions.

  • @jackavalon9219
    @jackavalon9219 5 лет назад

    Always love your videos! Great job as usual.

  • @Discworld-Edge-Witch
    @Discworld-Edge-Witch 5 лет назад +1

    Did you see Jim Sterling's take on how workers are mistreated in the game industry? ruclips.net/video/gXFKnkTr4Rk/видео.html

  • @mothcub
    @mothcub 5 лет назад +4

    vindeo game

    • @letstalkaboutstuff
      @letstalkaboutstuff  5 лет назад +1

      actually, it's spelled bideo. what are you, some kind of casual?

    • @mothcub
      @mothcub 5 лет назад +1

      I'm, gamer

    • @letstalkaboutstuff
      @letstalkaboutstuff  5 лет назад +2

      @@mothcub oh yeah?? if you're really such a gamer, why don't you name three gamers??? don't worry, i'll wait.

    • @mothcub
      @mothcub 5 лет назад +2

      @@letstalkaboutstuff me, and uh, ummm,,, Steve Gamer,,, and,,,,,,...... Cher

  • @Gunbladefire
    @Gunbladefire 5 лет назад +2

    huh I've been thinking about joining the IWW for awhile now too....

  • @PigeonSoup666
    @PigeonSoup666 5 лет назад +1

    Sarah Z is my favorite left-tuber thank you for this Good Ass Video

  • @acidifiedkmno4
    @acidifiedkmno4 5 лет назад

    Thank you for this video!

  • @JAEVideogroup
    @JAEVideogroup 5 лет назад +1

    This video was so much fun. I love the amount of shitposting in there.

  • @blind2d
    @blind2d 5 лет назад

    Girl, I love you so much! I'm... Drunk right now but....

  • @GoodJamSpiteHouse
    @GoodJamSpiteHouse 4 года назад +1

    it just occurred to me that this video is secretly a game of the year list.

  • @faith-by-faith
    @faith-by-faith 5 лет назад

    I remember Clippy.

  • @saccharinesilk
    @saccharinesilk 5 лет назад +1

    honestly if you did a whole series on kitty horror show's games, i would actually watch each video 50 times. I'd even do it for a charity stream if you asked me

  • @Sasorangii
    @Sasorangii 5 лет назад

    Sarah you're quickly becoming one of my favorite youtubers ever!! Love your videos

  • @supitschillbro
    @supitschillbro 5 лет назад

    I don't like your anime-bullshit aesthetic choices but you present a great sentiment. Not that you have any obligation to appeal to my more conservative tastes. Keep it up :)

  • @Dorian_sapiens
    @Dorian_sapiens 5 лет назад

    I'm subscribing because this is awesome, and I found it because Sargon's stormtroopers got Big Joel's video removed. Thanks, stormtroopers, I owe you one.

  • @nguiklian
    @nguiklian 5 лет назад +2

    The hiveswap games look good ooohhh man i might just become the clownfucker i was destined to be

  • @clearlynotaneldritchhorror8798
    @clearlynotaneldritchhorror8798 5 лет назад +1

    If we support Indie Developers now when the TrIpLe AaA game industry crashes under its own unsustainable greed The Indie Devs will be the ones leading the new game industry and I for one look forward to it!

  • @fatwatermelonz
    @fatwatermelonz 5 лет назад

    Everyone should play Kentucky Route Zero

  • @halfpintrr
    @halfpintrr 5 лет назад +1

    I love your videos Sarah! Also, I’m sure HBomb doesn’t mind. You’re in Lefttube now. :)

  • @QwertyCaesar
    @QwertyCaesar 5 лет назад +2

    I wonder what a Game Company of the Year list would look like. Probably just a praise of those that have the shortest criminal record.

    • @letstalkaboutstuff
      @letstalkaboutstuff  5 лет назад +2

      and the number one spot goes to... bethesda! wow, what a tossup this category was.
      thanks for watching the game awards sponsored by fallout 76

  • @karasu9
    @karasu9 5 лет назад

    FUCK YEAH Heather Flowers rules

  • @נעםגרינבלט
    @נעםגרינבלט 5 лет назад

    Great video! I don't really play games but this made me wanna play some games!

  • @arielrolerbill
    @arielrolerbill 5 лет назад

    just shapes and beats, its got bullet hell AND EDM!

  • @lyrichal0202
    @lyrichal0202 5 лет назад +1

    that choker looks very good on you and your neck

  • @imlovedavepetab3374
    @imlovedavepetab3374 5 лет назад

    Hyper light drifter????? Is. Is that a thing we can love????????

  • @cmmosher8035
    @cmmosher8035 5 лет назад

    My skulls are not ironic but they are made of plastic and glass.

  • @blookwitch8973
    @blookwitch8973 4 года назад +1

    oh right, the government was shut down last year. huh

  • @LightiningHobo
    @LightiningHobo 5 лет назад

    Just a reminder that consumer unions is a thing and that the game industry (and sports, and esports!) really could use them.

  • @Illicitpopsicle
    @Illicitpopsicle 5 лет назад

    I love this video.

  • @autdroid6078
    @autdroid6078 5 лет назад +2

    Diaries of a Spaceport Janitor is a good indie game with a trans main character. Gender dysphoria exists as an in-game mechanic, its very weird but also like... Just play it, please.

  • @leoa9474
    @leoa9474 5 лет назад

    This has nothing to do with the video, but as a trans person I just couldn't not think about what if Sara got a wig. I mean, not like she "has to" but more like. Thinking how much changing my hair to fit better with gender expectations helped easy my dysphoria. Plus, a wig is easily removable, so it's good for like safety and being able to change your mind and all. There are plenty of reasons she might not want to, of course, just a thought.

    • @letstalkaboutstuff
      @letstalkaboutstuff  5 лет назад +2

      i have a cheap one that i wore in the last video, but i need to get a nicer one. one of these days

  • @Mithaldu
    @Mithaldu 5 лет назад +2

    FYI, youtube does really bad things to your subtitles when there's long parts where you don't say anything. You might wanna review them and fix the timing on long gaps. :)

    • @Mithaldu
      @Mithaldu 5 лет назад

      Uh, also a lot of your subtitles are about stuff you don't actually say, AND have wonky timing. That's really *very* confusing.

    • @letstalkaboutstuff
      @letstalkaboutstuff  5 лет назад +1

      i've gone in and retimed the long silence bits. i added more things i didn't actually say, though. i'm not very good at this

    • @Mithaldu
      @Mithaldu 5 лет назад +1

      ​@@letstalkaboutstuff haha, thanks sarah :) fwiw, with the better timing the commentary things work better too :D

    • @Mithaldu
      @Mithaldu 5 лет назад

      Ok, having watched it to the end now, this was really good and i love the recommendations. Also the music choices at the end were ace.

  • @normanyeetus4176
    @normanyeetus4176 5 лет назад

    As always great content, but get you a pop shield to cut out those mouth sounds. Like, send me a paypal link and I'll send you the money.

  • @pheonifire
    @pheonifire 4 года назад

    "latest government shutdown" hmmmmmmm

  • @purpleyeseo9519
    @purpleyeseo9519 5 лет назад

    Have you ever played butterfly soup? There’s not a lot of gameplay but it’s cute and gay and makes you feel nice

  • @FireNotLord
    @FireNotLord 3 года назад +1

    Kinda lacks details about heartbound throughout this video but it's being treated as if the host was streaming it right now for 3 hours. I am not saying heartbound is bad.

    • @letstalkaboutstuff
      @letstalkaboutstuff  3 года назад

      yeah it's not a video about heartbound is it

    • @FireNotLord
      @FireNotLord 3 года назад

      @@letstalkaboutstuff yeah I understand that

  • @craigtrautmanjr9393
    @craigtrautmanjr9393 5 лет назад

    Check out sarah when she live streams on RUclips. We have a fun time.

  • @Demon6303
    @Demon6303 5 лет назад

    Quick, someone @ RoosterTeeth

  • @lucierogge4807
    @lucierogge4807 5 лет назад +1

    Hi I am the dave strider of the comment section # 287367849924773

  • @stronginteraction8686
    @stronginteraction8686 5 лет назад

    oh god sarah, you had me so scared. your beautiful white blazer. i thought it was going to be sacrificed to the lefttube gods...

  • @MrToasty9000
    @MrToasty9000 5 лет назад +1

    wait.......................... do you like homestuck?

  • @binkusbonkus
    @binkusbonkus 5 лет назад

    As terrible as Game Theory is (both Matt Patt and the fundamental misunderstanding of analysis), theorising on games isn't bad. One of my favorite creators is Ragnar Rox. He understands the importance of metaphor and analyses things in a way the add, rather than subtract, to the intent of the artist(s).

  • @TheMournhammer
    @TheMournhammer 5 лет назад

    get a proper lace choker sarah jeez.

  • @robertsyrett1992
    @robertsyrett1992 5 лет назад

    Honest question, why is the word adjacent being so much these days? Has it's connotation changed?

  • @extremepostyo5242
    @extremepostyo5242 5 лет назад +1

    I'm going to be honest, im not buying any of those games. However creative diversity in the games industry is fanrasic and should be encouraged. if I were to personally reccomend indie games it would include Rust , the forest , conan exiles, lethe episode 1, pirates vikings and knighrs 2, Enter the gungeon and Ark survival evolved (on a deep discount because the Ark devs went to shit).

  • @cynewulflyrewulf9330
    @cynewulflyrewulf9330 5 лет назад

    Wait isn’t Heartbound made by terfs