People are confused as to why the AlterEgos get to stay but the Avengers leave. It’s simple. The alteregos don’t represent bloodshed and flames of vengeance and hatred. They’re something that can realistically exist within proper human history, think of superhero’s and their billionaire alter-egos. Avengers though are quite literally made up of hatred and vengeance. They COULD go with Fujimaru as that exists in PHH, but they know he doesn’t want to burn down the world. So they left. The Alteregos are just that; alteregos. They won’t burn down the world by being in PHH. You also have to remember that the Alterego class has directly take down a beast, with Meltryllis and Lip beating Kiara and saving the final master of humanity. Point is, the alteregos dont represent hatred and the like, and because of that, they stay. They’re an important class for Chaldea and getting rid of them would be a bad idea. Getting rid of Douman after OC1 would’ve led to Caligastro winning in OC2, as douman wouldn’t have been there to clean up his own mess, as an example. The avengers will return eventually. Just Wait and Hope.
So Fujimaru was able to justify Avengers place in Human Order, but they still have to to because their Saint Graph is breaking and their flames hurting Fujimaru?
Avengers weren’t supposed to exist. They’re fueled with vengeance and hate, whether for Humanity or just wanting revenge. Despite their flaws they were the greatest allies we have. Thank you for your support and being with us on this journey, I hope we meet again soon.
Summer Kama: Heheh. The greatest revenge I can have on Parvati is receiving a love from Master-san that's greater than what that damned Shiva gave her, while also getting to corrupt him. So don't expect me to go anywhere anytime soon. 😈
@@cameraredeye3115 Parvati: 🤔 "......... Right! Oh, no! I won't let you get away with this~!" 😊 Summer Kama: "H-Hey! You're being sarcastic again, aren't you?!" 😡
I'm repeating myself, but avengers; incarnations of hate and vengeance being so devoted and loyal to Guda, because Guda loves them regardless is so beautiful.
Eh i miss old times when they were more agressive like gorgon or lobo Needs my edgy class related back Oh well cant wait for them to drop grand avenger tho, a certain austrian painter 👀
@@anaknangfilipina5846 "better" I dunno man,i prefer jeanne orleans alter where she was full of rage rather than tsundere one that keeps calling jeanne her older sister
Apparently, after this Ordeal Call, all of your Avengers are registered as Link Lost with the exception of the GudaGuda Servants, Summer Servants, and three others: Ushi Gozen, Marie Alter, and Angra Mainyu. The idea that the Avengers forgot to bring Angry Mango along with them is hilarious.
@@oumarkane9233 "THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, IT'S ABOUT THEM... IT'S ABOUT **HER**... GAAAAAHHH!!!... WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE HER PLACE INSTEAD, GOOD FOR NOTHING SLOTH!?"
Beings born of hatred and tragedy that only exist for the sake of vengeance, and Fujimaru cherish them like any other friend despite that, of course they gonna do everything for their friend🔥❤️
Dante: Now rather than doing nothing i propose that we the Avengers gather to start our own Org- Monte Cristo: Hey! Dante: Sorry what is it? Monte Cristo: They already left Dante: Damn it now just you and me what are we gonna do now. Monte Cristo: Disco? Dante: With myself? Both: OUTRAGEOUS!🕺🕺🪩
05:0506:44 Major spoiler for Cagliostro profile material When Douman was an apostle, he falsified Cagliostro, who was pretended as a caster at the Heian-kyo Singularity, as malignant information and invaded Guda's mind when he came into contact with him. Furthermore, Cagliostro himself infiltrated Guda's mind when he encountered Flare Marie. Dantes, who sensed this as the guardian of Guda's mind, left Abigail a threatening message for Douman. In other words, Douman's true purpose in cooperating with Cagliostro's containment was to destroy evidence for fear of being exposed for the misdeeds he committed while he was an apostle. This time, Cagliostro was mimicking the way and tone of Douman's interference, because he was close to Douman's shikigami, and the red pentagram floating on the forehead of the Last Apostle Cagliostro at the end of last battle.
Fate series really love making bittersweet ending huh😢 Good bye jalter and all avanger cast in chalea YOU ALL WILL BE REMEMBERED FOREVER 😭 YOU ALL WILL BE LOVED FOREVER
Daily reminder Ushi-Gozen, Angra Mainyu and Marie Alter are still around (Although they did state their connection is incredibly unstable and could banish at any moment)
ushi and mari gona dissapear once we reach chaldeas for sure. Angra is just a witness, guy just gona get binoculars to spy on what happens while we fight chaldeas from the outside of the barrier.
He is most likely why Fujimaru is oddly unaffected by harmful mental corruption spells and Phantasms Or even when he does get affected it is never fatal
If you think about it, Fujimaru had Dantes with him the whole time. Particularly when his mental capacity was going south (like when Mash sacrificed herself to block Goetia's AAS in the Temple of Time). The Solomon OVA touches up on this beautifully.
If i remember correctly, he revealed himself a bunch of times in the lostbelts. He was their when skadi imprisoned us in scandinavia, he was there when aphrodite tried to corrupt us and he even was there when Taira tried to get rid of us in our mental world in her event.
Shiii i can't handle iiit, hope we can meet again avengers :''( Also thank you so much for the translation neo! This is truly a special journey for ritsuka :')
@@Eyeshield11721 also Nasu and whoever wrote Paper Moon: Alaya willed it... now stop asking questions and enjoy loosing your French edgy goth cutie patootie girlfriend
3:33 The moment Jeanne Alter spoke I broke down ❤️❤️ 💔😭😭, so there you go, we have just lost characters that I love enormously....... I know that Jeanne alter loved us deeply.❤️❤️❤️.. here is the proof, I am depressed.....💔😭 😭😭 Jalter!!!!!Dantes!!!!! Noooooo
The location is South Europe (Italy), and we still have the words "Divine Comedy" and "Awareness of one's Sin" from the first OC trailer to cover and to top it off, we should be following the trend of Freudian psychoanalysis and take a look at the Superego this time. My guess is that we will once again go to a dream/conceptual place where Ritsuka will have to traverse different locations that represents the regrets and sins he accumulated through our journey with the excuse of "If you want to reach Antarctica you need to have no regrets and a clean consciousness", and I suppose Vergil will guide us and Charon from the Valentine's event might make another appearance. Not sure who the servant from the poster is, people are guessing Lilith and since we might go through a metaphorical "Hell" that might come true.
Well, there's several meanings for doba. In Hebrew it means she bear, good woman. I tried finding the Italian meaning since divine comedy but couldn't find it
@@dzigayu4944Hell yeah, I get the spotlight this time! Jokes aside, I think the next theme will be greed, since "Avarice" is another keyword. Family or bonding is the first, vengeance is the second, and the third trial can be greed. Throughout the journey, the master has gathered qp as a way of making their servants stronger. You even get a hint of their greed in one of the dialogue choices towards the end of oc2, saying that they'd farm mats in whatever context was given (I forgot what they were discussing). We could get servants such as Gilgamesh appearing since he's the greediest servant that we have contracted. We can have Qin shing Huang included since he's probably the greediest ruler that I know that we made a contract with. Columbus would be great or Blackbeard. And that can leave room to new rulers or new servants that are summoned by the human order. This is all so interesting to me! If I made any errors, let me know because my memory isn't the best when mentioning story elements from the past.
I strive to be Jalter NP5 but sadly I'm NP2. Hope to be NP5 one day. Working on gathering grails for her to be 120 and I'm working on making her bond 15 in the future as well
Oh boy, if this was the veredict of the planet towards the Avenger class then there's no hope for the Ruler class, the ones that are suppose to be in charge of the "Balance" but they're always rejecting their own class foundation for our sake in every battle. We're fucked.
Just now, it brought a realization to me that some events like Little Big Tengu are canon, Taira and Kiichi Hougen appearing in the ordeal call was evidence, and don't forget Nagiko appeared in the 2020 Valentine's event... Meaning most of those events were canon no matter how wacky and impossible it is(except maybe events related to Servantverse?)
Nope Summer 3, which has Heroine XX is canon, as seen from Jalter's development and XX appearing in Imaginary Scramble XX is the summer version of X from SW 1. This means Saber Wars is canon
Still sad that changing into her swimsuit (and becoming a Zerker, one of the Standard Seven) did nothing, and Swimsuit Jalter had to vanish too. If this is the trend, I fear what could happen to Swimsuit Dolphin Oneechan (whose default class is RULER).
Easy, if nothing happened to the Alter Egos after Paper Moon was done, I doubt anything will happen to the Rules. I just hope the Avengers situation, or at least Jalter's one, is indeed temporal and they genuinelh come back home, safe and sound in 2 years minimum. Lasangle will want us to bathe in the depression to keeo oue player interest for the time being... but I hope we see Jalter back
To be fair, Avengers are almost an unnatural existance, unlike the alter ego, the other you, those flames of revenge and hatred that gave them birth became so unfamiliar to the world that it rejects them, with the sole exception being Angra Manyu, since he is a deity used to pile sins on him, he is a necessary evil, the avengers in general are not
Natural existence or not, the fact that they exist, have personalities beyond anger and hate, and are capable of growing as actualized people (including Lobo, and especially Jalter) gave their departure a lot of weight. Fujimaru (and us, by extension) aren't just discarding dangerous living weapons, but having to let go of precious friends (and lovers, in the case of Dantes and Jalter). This reminds me of Lyrical Nanoha, one of my favorite animes of all time. The reason Fate Testarossa was saved and able to grow as a person was because Nanoha saw her not as a dangerous enemy, but as a person capable of love and free will. I feel at least someone at Lasagna is a fan of Nanoha.
Anyone else a bit concerned that Angra Mainyu seemingly is exempt from this whole Avenger Complex Breakthrough? Whoo boy, if he's planning something for later Part 2 or even a hypothetical Part 3, I wouldn't be upset. He'll probably get his own event as the Beast of Retribution.
Avengers have been my all time favourite class in FGO since I started playing. I have the next 2 years to mentally prepare myself when the time comes my lv120 bond 15 Lobo gets cut off from me and I will lose it..
At least you have some prep time. It's like being told a loved one has a terminal disease and they got 2 years to live... for as rough as it sounds, you still got time to enjoy with them. I was told 3 days after my made my waifu (Jalter) bond 10 that she would be gone if I did this chapter. Now I'm pushing to make her bond 15, lvl. 120 and hopefully NP5 (currently NP2) and choosing NOT to do OC2 until I'm forced to by an event or more story chapters... because I can't handle the idea of losing her for the time being and not knowing when will I ever see her again... I hate this feeling. This is like how I felt over Castoria at the end of LB6 and how distraught I was until Nasu made Summer 8... hope he also tackles Jalter's return. Not dissing Sakurai's writing... but I don't think I can forgive her for taking Jeanne Alter away from me
I think she might be the only one coming back, based on that little oversight in her 3rd ascension sprite update with the back tattoos you could only see during certain attacks. After 2 weeks, Lasangle took them away. My theory is that later on in the story, that'll be her updated sprite and those tattoos will work to sustain her existance as some sort of special command seals for her. After all, of all Avengers, she's a special case that only came to be thanks to Gilles and then Ritsuka making a contract with her to make her exist. It should stand to reason she could theoretically break said rules and come back... or at least have better chances of coming back than the others. ... I really hope my theory is correct and Jalter will come back just like LB6 Castoria did in Summer 8. Even if it takes 2 to 3 years... I need her back
@@Succubus_L0li but that Lancer Jeanne was just regular Jeanne allowing herself to be corrupted, that wasn't Jalter. Jalter is exclusive from FGO... but maybe you do have a point and the loophole is making her saint graph be different than an Avenger in order to bring her back
@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349I hope so too. She really deserves a happy ending like how Castoria (who I keep hearing that normal Caster was pretending to be LB 6 Castoria while the Berserker Castoria IS her) got her own happy ending with Ritsuka now, and got basically the therapy she needed.
@@smellyuncle the Castoria in Chaldea isn't LB6 Castoria, it's Artoria Avalon playing being Castoria until her third ascension; even her Valentines scene shows this, if I remember properly. Berserker Castoria IS LB6 Castoria who came back from Avalon to have happy summer memories and now can be independent from Artoria Avalon while she's her own thing. But yes, I do hope Jalter gets to come back soon and somehow... those back tattoos of hers that were taken out kinda give me hope they'll be a key elwment in her comeback
It’s hilarious how all these Avengers are leaving yet ones like Space Ishtar apparently just don’t care and sticks with their Master anyway. Kinda takes the wind off the sails for the ending of OC2 just a bit.
not really they are making clear its more the PURE avengers those driven by their flames of vengance. The others are just using the class for convenience and dont truly represent it. Basically "we dont fit in other class so we just take this one that is easy to abuse"
@@MokonaModokiESSo you're saying it's gonna be a chapter that will likely introduce us to more Outer Gods and why they should not be relied upon, since they are literally foreign to humanity and the earth as a whole. Meaning the last part of Ordeal Call might be about Chaldea being judged by the Ruler-class Servants, whose role would be to carry out the will of the Counter Force and not necessarily side with us as they have been. There would be fights, sure, but not necessarily about survival.
Well farming just got a whole lot more inconvenient. Makes me wonder... what will happen in the Chapter for the Foreigner-class? I see some Lovecraft-stuff incoming and my body is ready!
Been looping Ever Present Feeling and Who Will Know (Shin Godzilla's Theme) since Last week........ I hope that, they show up again, especially in Antarctica...............Curses to Alaya....
Fak Alaya, all my homies hate it. This is why Gaia is the best. In my case, Ray Charles' "I can't stop loving you"; Daft Punk's "Something about us" and Jim Croce's "Time in a bottle" were playing on a loop the first 2 weeks OC2 got released... man, the depression was so big, I slept more than usual and only ate once per day and barely hungry... that's how bad this chapter made me feel
After knowing what Alaya did... does Humanity really worth saving? I'm instead listening too "There is a Reason" from No Game No Life Zero. Not only the song is beautiful, but sad at the same time. But I can't stop listent to it.
@@minthuta3288 don't remember Gaia taking my friends and waifus away, so it's cool in my book. ... plus, I may be misremembering but wasn't Gaia already on its death bed in Notez and asking the other types for help in cleaning it from the "freeloaders/parasytes" living in its carcass?
Is Jeanne Alter not going to return in the game. I hope she does return. If Avengers are not supposed to accompany the Master in their journey but only the original Seven class servants then I hope Jeanne Alter will return as a Lancer. 😢😢😢
Our only hope is Jalter at this point. Mostly because that little "oversight" in her sprite update having some back tattoos that you could only see during her 3rd ascension and during specific attacks. They got removed 2 weeks later but I wanna believe they're the hint for her to come back in the story... at least as the only representative of the Avengers due to her unique circumatances
They haven't completely disappeared from the story, unlike Solomon and Musashi. They just went on ahead of us, so it's likely they'll be back at some point.
Same. That's been my headcanon for the ending of FGO. Just using a grail to make certain servants into human beings and have them live a happy peaceful life alongside Ritsuka, like Jalter or Castoria. ... on the other hand, I wanna believe this is not the end of Jalter and we'll see her again, if the way Lasangle reacted to removing her back tattoos was any indication
I have two things to say about this ending 1) Man that was heartbreaking 2) Man that was so bullshit I understand the themes and all but these Avengers clearly show to be more than just mindless vengeance Not to mention the utility such individuals can be, if we're cherry picking Servants for their "non-moral" behaviour the list will be so big not even the Moon-Cell could register it all
its not the morality. Its the corruption. All those flames that we fight in the story are originated from the avengers. Its clear when dantes' shadow dissapears and they start popping up like crazy as he had been holding them back. Those remmants of vengance stayed in the head of Ritsuka corrupting his mind. Its in actual mental threat to Ritsuka. Its also why Cagliostro was cultivating the bad experiences at the deepest part of his mind. Those things could have grown on their own and Dantes still leaves abigail in charge of cleaning Ritsuka's mind from more corruption that could come later in other forms.
@@MokonaModokiES I fail to see how Cagliostro cultivating those bad experiences has anything to do with the Avengers There is freaking Zeus on the main pillar, showing how these are all the bad experiences accumulated over the course of the story, not Avengers only It's never said that's what those flames are, and I always just saw it as Ritsuka own deep feelings of Vengeance pouring out Though, yours seem to be the only explanation that doesn't make everyone look like total morons for discarding Divine Spirit tier of characters I will pay more attention to see if that's true in a future reread
"Only seven seat" meaning that all extra classes will gone eventually? That's understandable as they are a class that shouldn't exist but can't they all just go? Also I just realize we are missing Space Ishtar and Angra Mainyu (Do they have hatred toward humanity? I don't think so)
9:38 I don't get this. If this refers to seven standard classes, then are we supposed to discard every Extra class Servant? OC1 was seemingly about understanding Alter Egos better, not letting them go. And Mash is in that bracket too, right? Will she be unable to make it to final battle? For that matter, I can guess why Summer Avengers (Kama, Chloe, Erice), Servantverse Avengers (Space Ishtar, Mysterious Ranmaru X) and Gudaguda Avenger (Demon King Nobunaga) weren't included in this, but what about Angra Mainyu and Ushi Gozen? What's their excuse?
According to her profile Ushi Gozen is basically a Rider pretending to be an Avenger and Angra has always been an exception, he doesn't really play by the rules.
@@TheRagnarose I looked up her profile. It seems to say that she truly is an Avenger, whose Spirit Origin originally was Rider... so I guess she is in the same camp as the Summer Avengers - being an Avenger is an altered state, not the natural one. Fine, I can accept this. Angra being an exception does nothing to clarify, if having him on-board will be just overlooked, an actual problem or a secret backdoor for the return of Avengers (I can hope).
@ssj5gogeta1310 Ushi Gozen has new lines that basically tell us she will eventually leave too iirc. So the one who helped us in this OC2 just left sooner than the other.
Well, different from OC1 where the answer we got is to supplement the Alter Ego and learned to deal and treat them. In OC2, we got 讐理超克 which is "Avange(r) Order Surpassed." Which points to how Fujimaru surpassed the need for Avengers. Novum Chaldea's answer to Avenger class was, "We're over the desire for revenge." Hence why the Avengers are leaving. However, this does not necessarily need to be the only answer. Had Fujimaru accepted the nature of Avengers as their own, then Ordeal Call requirement would've been cleared anyway and Fujimaru would still have the Avengers with them which is smh that Dantes hope to avoid hence the seven trials. Fujimaru answered that their journey is not for revenge after learning more about them, so it'd be wrong to use the power of vengeance to end said journey.
Personally I'm happy that the Summer Avengers aren't included. Especially Summer Kama, since her target for "revenge" is Parvati and her husband Shiva anyway. Because of that, the best way to help Kama with her revenge is to basically love her as a husband loves his wife. She's a total pushover anyway, so that should be easy.
I manage to finish OC2 but weirdly enough, my epilogue ended with Jeanne's dialogue and no afterword scene with Douman and stuffs, whats going on? My only guess is probably becuz I have yet to complete shimousa
Same with me although I'm already cleared Shimousa, probably because I don't clear some events like Little Big Tengu. Tbh I really dislike when they doing this
The other classes will be covered in a different wwy. The fight against Aqua Marie unlocks the Pretender score class, so I guess that's how we'll unlock the rest of the Extra classes withour over extending the story further
@@Ren29892 Pretenders are said to be "molded by CHALDEAS" If quoting the story, so I guess there is no problem with them I have a bit of hopeium that Moon Cancers will be at least a bit covered along with Foreigners
8th anniversary interview: Are you going to make stories for all Extra Classes? Mooncancer included? Nasu: No, Mooncancers are like the EX Rank or the fun bonus pages at the end of a manga volume, and more accurately, they have extraterritorial rights by default (laughs). Pretenders don't cause distortions because they come disguised as existing Classes. And we can't make a whole story for Shielder because there's only one of them, so our plan for this one is to do the thing everyone has been waiting for. Look forward to it.
People are confused as to why the AlterEgos get to stay but the Avengers leave. It’s simple.
The alteregos don’t represent bloodshed and flames of vengeance and hatred. They’re something that can realistically exist within proper human history, think of superhero’s and their billionaire alter-egos.
Avengers though are quite literally made up of hatred and vengeance. They COULD go with Fujimaru as that exists in PHH, but they know he doesn’t want to burn down the world. So they left.
The Alteregos are just that; alteregos. They won’t burn down the world by being in PHH. You also have to remember that the Alterego class has directly take down a beast, with Meltryllis and Lip beating Kiara and saving the final master of humanity.
Point is, the alteregos dont represent hatred and the like, and because of that, they stay. They’re an important class for Chaldea and getting rid of them would be a bad idea.
Getting rid of Douman after OC1 would’ve led to Caligastro winning in OC2, as douman wouldn’t have been there to clean up his own mess, as an example.
The avengers will return eventually. Just Wait and Hope.
So Fujimaru was able to justify Avengers place in Human Order, but they still have to to because their Saint Graph is breaking and their flames hurting Fujimaru?
@@nsander564 fundamentally yes. They could’ve gone with him, but they know he wouldn’t want to bring such pain to human history.
Avengers weren’t supposed to exist. They’re fueled with vengeance and hate, whether for Humanity or just wanting revenge. Despite their flaws they were the greatest allies we have. Thank you for your support and being with us on this journey, I hope we meet again soon.
Every avenger who didn’t leave:” what are we chopped liver”
@@oumarkane9233 Space Ishtar: Yeah no, I’m built different.
@@Eyeshield11721 Servant verse loopholes man.
Summer Kama: Heheh. The greatest revenge I can have on Parvati is receiving a love from Master-san that's greater than what that damned Shiva gave her, while also getting to corrupt him. So don't expect me to go anywhere anytime soon. 😈
@@cameraredeye3115 Parvati: 🤔 "......... Right! Oh, no! I won't let you get away with this~!" 😊
Summer Kama: "H-Hey! You're being sarcastic again, aren't you?!" 😡
I'm repeating myself, but avengers; incarnations of hate and vengeance being so devoted and loyal to Guda, because Guda loves them regardless is so beautiful.
Common Ritsuka W. What a good boy
@@t_raywen8750he's the goodest boy
MY boy
Can we all agree that the bond between Ritsuka, and Avengers is the most beautiful thing ever.
Yes we can
Eh i miss old times when they were more agressive like gorgon or lobo
Needs my edgy class related back
Oh well cant wait for them to drop grand avenger tho, a certain austrian painter 👀
Honestly, it is.
@@King_Of_Lolisthey’re still aggressive but they just softened around Ritsuka. Bonds change anyone for the better.
@@anaknangfilipina5846 "better"
I dunno man,i prefer jeanne orleans alter where she was full of rage rather than tsundere one that keeps calling jeanne her older sister
Apparently, after this Ordeal Call, all of your Avengers are registered as Link Lost with the exception of the GudaGuda Servants, Summer Servants, and three others: Ushi Gozen, Marie Alter, and Angra Mainyu.
The idea that the Avengers forgot to bring Angry Mango along with them is hilarious.
Especially since Mango does help you during the final battle here.
He pops up and gives the party a buff in the fight.
Also Castor of Dioscuri managed to stay too
Angry Mango is too OG to be Link Lost.
So like Musashi then? I mean we can still use them in the game but obviously loose their profiles like musashi
Dantes gave us his Last Cup of Coffee before going away...
I get that reference
@@Succubus_L0lican u elaborate the meaning behind it ?
Man, it's raining today right now
Nice Lilypichu reference
God damnit 😂
NO, NO STAY WITH ME!
DONT LEAVE ME!!!
Angry mango:”there’s nothing to fear for I AM HERE”
@@oumarkane9233 "THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, IT'S ABOUT THEM... IT'S ABOUT **HER**... GAAAAAHHH!!!... WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE HER PLACE INSTEAD, GOOD FOR NOTHING SLOTH!?"
Ishtar Ashtarte: *grumble grumble grumble*
Shaddup, self insert. Self-explode. What are you, 10?
@@detherocablest7054man, you must be popular at cutting meat with that edge
Beings born of hatred and tragedy that only exist for the sake of vengeance, and Fujimaru cherish them like any other friend despite that, of course they gonna do everything for their friend🔥❤️
Dante: Now rather than doing nothing i propose that we the Avengers gather to start our own Org-
Monte Cristo: Hey!
Dante: Sorry what is it?
Monte Cristo: They already left
Dante: Damn it now just you and me what are we gonna do now.
Monte Cristo: Disco?
Dante: With myself?
Both: OUTRAGEOUS!🕺🕺🪩
I imagine them dancing friday night from yakuza 😂
I've head 'No Promises to Keep' playing on the background and ended up sobbing for hours
05:05 06:44 Major spoiler for Cagliostro profile material
When Douman was an apostle, he falsified Cagliostro, who was pretended as a caster at the Heian-kyo Singularity, as malignant information and invaded Guda's mind when he came into contact with him. Furthermore, Cagliostro himself infiltrated Guda's mind when he encountered Flare Marie. Dantes, who sensed this as the guardian of Guda's mind, left Abigail a threatening message for Douman. In other words, Douman's true purpose in cooperating with Cagliostro's containment was to destroy evidence for fear of being exposed for the misdeeds he committed while he was an apostle.
This time, Cagliostro was mimicking the way and tone of Douman's interference, because he was close to Douman's shikigami, and the red pentagram floating on the forehead of the Last Apostle Cagliostro at the end of last battle.
Fate series really love making bittersweet ending huh😢
Good bye jalter and all avanger cast in chalea
YOU ALL WILL BE REMEMBERED FOREVER 😭
YOU ALL WILL BE LOVED FOREVER
If you go into the saint graph data in my room, the avengers will be shown as "Link Lost" just like Musashi "Data Lost"
So they are coming back?
@@tiagovazquez314 Unlike Musashi, they can be re-summoned if needed
@@Slayerofall21 ... unless that was left so we can still use their power in-universe, which I really hope isn't the case and we do see them back
Daily reminder Ushi-Gozen, Angra Mainyu and Marie Alter are still around (Although they did state their connection is incredibly unstable and could banish at any moment)
ushi and mari gona dissapear once we reach chaldeas for sure.
Angra is just a witness, guy just gona get binoculars to spy on what happens while we fight chaldeas from the outside of the barrier.
gorgon is also still around
@@Todd-Alquist Nope, she left alongside Taira, Nito Alter, Jalter, Dantes, Salieri and Lobo
Average nobunaga W
@@ArkChannel351 A.K.A n°1 gag character
Goodbye avengers may we meet again at the end of this journey
Does this mean that some of the singularity and lostbelt, he's been in our shadow? Yoh!? this guy is so edgy at fhe very end that it makes me cry 😭
He is most likely why Fujimaru is oddly unaffected by harmful mental corruption spells and Phantasms
Or even when he does get affected it is never fatal
If you think about it, Fujimaru had Dantes with him the whole time. Particularly when his mental capacity was going south (like when Mash sacrificed herself to block Goetia's AAS in the Temple of Time). The Solomon OVA touches up on this beautifully.
If i remember correctly, he revealed himself a bunch of times in the lostbelts. He was their when skadi imprisoned us in scandinavia, he was there when aphrodite tried to corrupt us and he even was there when Taira tried to get rid of us in our mental world in her event.
... why?... please, don't go, Jalter... you're my everything... please stay...
Shiii i can't handle iiit, hope we can meet again avengers :''(
Also thank you so much for the translation neo! This is truly a special journey for ritsuka :')
A painful one, yes
Only the normal classes will reach Antartica with one exception, huh
I guess Shielder
Then why is Alter Ego fine after Paper Moon? Unless they get snuffed later on but I doubt it
@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349it may be an exception with the servants themselves
@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349Nasu and co: “Good question.” *leaves*
@@Eyeshield11721 also Nasu and whoever wrote Paper Moon: Alaya willed it... now stop asking questions and enjoy loosing your French edgy goth cutie patootie girlfriend
You know what'd be real horrifying? If Shielder wasn't the exception.
What an Ordeal. Amazing
3:33 The moment Jeanne Alter spoke I broke down ❤️❤️ 💔😭😭, so there you go, we have just lost characters that I love enormously....... I know that Jeanne alter loved us deeply.❤️❤️❤️.. here is the proof, I am depressed.....💔😭 😭😭 Jalter!!!!!Dantes!!!!! Noooooo
there was no other way...... we are in the end game now....avengers...you are all HERO to us.
I see what you did there.
Here's to hoping they do an "on your left" grand entrance when they come back.
The school section felt longer than i thought. Guess we'll see what oc3 goes with next
The location is South Europe (Italy), and we still have the words "Divine Comedy" and "Awareness of one's Sin" from the first OC trailer to cover and to top it off, we should be following the trend of Freudian psychoanalysis and take a look at the Superego this time. My guess is that we will once again go to a dream/conceptual place where Ritsuka will have to traverse different locations that represents the regrets and sins he accumulated through our journey with the excuse of "If you want to reach Antarctica you need to have no regrets and a clean consciousness", and I suppose Vergil will guide us and Charon from the Valentine's event might make another appearance. Not sure who the servant from the poster is, people are guessing Lilith and since we might go through a metaphorical "Hell" that might come true.
@@dzigayu4944 There's still the keywords "Woman of the Storms" and "Doba". Maby thats a hint on who she is? Not sure what Doba means at all.
Well, there's several meanings for doba. In Hebrew it means she bear, good woman. I tried finding the Italian meaning since divine comedy but couldn't find it
@@dzigayu4944Hell yeah, I get the spotlight this time! Jokes aside, I think the next theme will be greed, since "Avarice" is another keyword. Family or bonding is the first, vengeance is the second, and the third trial can be greed. Throughout the journey, the master has gathered qp as a way of making their servants stronger. You even get a hint of their greed in one of the dialogue choices towards the end of oc2, saying that they'd farm mats in whatever context was given (I forgot what they were discussing).
We could get servants such as Gilgamesh appearing since he's the greediest servant that we have contracted. We can have Qin shing Huang included since he's probably the greediest ruler that I know that we made a contract with. Columbus would be great or Blackbeard. And that can leave room to new rulers or new servants that are summoned by the human order. This is all so interesting to me! If I made any errors, let me know because my memory isn't the best when mentioning story elements from the past.
Hold on hold on so we actually lose our avengers here no not my doggo!
Jalter 120 NP5/5 Bond 10+ gang represent
I strive to be Jalter NP5 but sadly I'm NP2. Hope to be NP5 one day. Working on gathering grails for her to be 120 and I'm working on making her bond 15 in the future as well
I can’t believe I am crying over a cup of coffee (I don’t even drink coffee!)
Oh boy, if this was the veredict of the planet towards the Avenger class then there's no hope for the Ruler class, the ones that are suppose to be in charge of the "Balance" but they're always rejecting their own class foundation for our sake in every battle.
We're fucked.
Just now, it brought a realization to me that some events like Little Big Tengu are canon, Taira and Kiichi Hougen appearing in the ordeal call was evidence, and don't forget Nagiko appeared in the 2020 Valentine's event... Meaning most of those events were canon no matter how wacky and impossible it is(except maybe events related to Servantverse?)
Nope
Summer 3, which has Heroine XX is canon, as seen from Jalter's development and XX appearing in Imaginary Scramble
XX is the summer version of X from SW 1. This means Saber Wars is canon
The story that kiichi is telling is the douman manga i remember
*sniff* I'm not ready
this will be the most heartbreaking :( video
Still sad that changing into her swimsuit (and becoming a Zerker, one of the Standard Seven) did nothing, and Swimsuit Jalter had to vanish too.
If this is the trend, I fear what could happen to Swimsuit Dolphin Oneechan (whose default class is RULER).
Easy, if nothing happened to the Alter Egos after Paper Moon was done, I doubt anything will happen to the Rules. I just hope the Avengers situation, or at least Jalter's one, is indeed temporal and they genuinelh come back home, safe and sound in 2 years minimum.
Lasangle will want us to bathe in the depression to keeo oue player interest for the time being... but I hope we see Jalter back
To be fair, Avengers are almost an unnatural existance, unlike the alter ego, the other you, those flames of revenge and hatred that gave them birth became so unfamiliar to the world that it rejects them, with the sole exception being Angra Manyu, since he is a deity used to pile sins on him, he is a necessary evil, the avengers in general are not
Natural existence or not, the fact that they exist, have personalities beyond anger and hate, and are capable of growing as actualized people (including Lobo, and especially Jalter) gave their departure a lot of weight. Fujimaru (and us, by extension) aren't just discarding dangerous living weapons, but having to let go of precious friends (and lovers, in the case of Dantes and Jalter).
This reminds me of Lyrical Nanoha, one of my favorite animes of all time. The reason Fate Testarossa was saved and able to grow as a person was because Nanoha saw her not as a dangerous enemy, but as a person capable of love and free will.
I feel at least someone at Lasagna is a fan of Nanoha.
"Please no grieving, my love, understand?"
Placebo
Anyone else a bit concerned that Angra Mainyu seemingly is exempt from this whole Avenger Complex Breakthrough? Whoo boy, if he's planning something for later Part 2 or even a hypothetical Part 3, I wouldn't be upset. He'll probably get his own event as the Beast of Retribution.
9:40 LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HYPE FOR FINAL CHAPTER
NOOOO, ITS HERE
Avengers have been my all time favourite class in FGO since I started playing. I have the next 2 years to mentally prepare myself when the time comes my lv120 bond 15 Lobo gets cut off from me and I will lose it..
At least you have some prep time. It's like being told a loved one has a terminal disease and they got 2 years to live... for as rough as it sounds, you still got time to enjoy with them. I was told 3 days after my made my waifu (Jalter) bond 10 that she would be gone if I did this chapter.
Now I'm pushing to make her bond 15, lvl. 120 and hopefully NP5 (currently NP2) and choosing NOT to do OC2 until I'm forced to by an event or more story chapters... because I can't handle the idea of losing her for the time being and not knowing when will I ever see her again...
I hate this feeling. This is like how I felt over Castoria at the end of LB6 and how distraught I was until Nasu made Summer 8... hope he also tackles Jalter's return. Not dissing Sakurai's writing... but I don't think I can forgive her for taking Jeanne Alter away from me
Im glad Douman is back
My favorite servant
I hope Jeanne alter will back with us
I think she might be the only one coming back, based on that little oversight in her 3rd ascension sprite update with the back tattoos you could only see during certain attacks. After 2 weeks, Lasangle took them away.
My theory is that later on in the story, that'll be her updated sprite and those tattoos will work to sustain her existance as some sort of special command seals for her. After all, of all Avengers, she's a special case that only came to be thanks to Gilles and then Ritsuka making a contract with her to make her exist. It should stand to reason she could theoretically break said rules and come back... or at least have better chances of coming back than the others.
... I really hope my theory is correct and Jalter will come back just like LB6 Castoria did in Summer 8. Even if it takes 2 to 3 years... I need her back
@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349I think that the hint is in fate samurai remnant
Jalter can be summoned into other classes and maybe this is the loophole
@@Succubus_L0li but that Lancer Jeanne was just regular Jeanne allowing herself to be corrupted, that wasn't Jalter. Jalter is exclusive from FGO... but maybe you do have a point and the loophole is making her saint graph be different than an Avenger in order to bring her back
@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349I hope so too. She really deserves a happy ending like how Castoria (who I keep hearing that normal Caster was pretending to be LB 6 Castoria while the Berserker Castoria IS her) got her own happy ending with Ritsuka now, and got basically the therapy she needed.
@@smellyuncle the Castoria in Chaldea isn't LB6 Castoria, it's Artoria Avalon playing being Castoria until her third ascension; even her Valentines scene shows this, if I remember properly. Berserker Castoria IS LB6 Castoria who came back from Avalon to have happy summer memories and now can be independent from Artoria Avalon while she's her own thing.
But yes, I do hope Jalter gets to come back soon and somehow... those back tattoos of hers that were taken out kinda give me hope they'll be a key elwment in her comeback
But what if there... somewhere... throne of antiheroes, evildoer. Non first time mention of Gate of Hell.
It’s hilarious how all these Avengers are leaving yet ones like Space Ishtar apparently just don’t care and sticks with their Master anyway. Kinda takes the wind off the sails for the ending of OC2 just a bit.
Kama is still around, and her summer version is Avenger-class so yeah, not all Avengers are gone. Just the ones canon to the main story.
not really they are making clear its more the PURE avengers those driven by their flames of vengance. The others are just using the class for convenience and dont truly represent it. Basically "we dont fit in other class so we just take this one that is easy to abuse"
@@MokonaModokiES
Servants who wanted to be avenger: We don't need vengeance, we wanted to be free from our duties
So it is already finished of ordeal call chapter 2 while the epilogue is important for the next chapter 3 which the extra class is ruler.
actually its not hinting at ordeal call III. in fact its actually hinting at foreigners because of Abigail being the focus.
@@MokonaModokiESSo you're saying it's gonna be a chapter that will likely introduce us to more Outer Gods and why they should not be relied upon, since they are literally foreign to humanity and the earth as a whole.
Meaning the last part of Ordeal Call might be about Chaldea being judged by the Ruler-class Servants, whose role would be to carry out the will of the Counter Force and not necessarily side with us as they have been. There would be fights, sure, but not necessarily about survival.
@@cameraredeye3115 Counter Force Emiya is the first counter force in Fate stay night. And there are few
I’M NOT READY FOR THISSSSS! AVENGERS NAURRRRR
Well farming just got a whole lot more inconvenient.
Makes me wonder... what will happen in the Chapter for the Foreigner-class? I see some Lovecraft-stuff incoming and my body is ready!
Been looping Ever Present Feeling and Who Will Know (Shin Godzilla's Theme) since Last week........
I hope that, they show up again, especially in Antarctica...............Curses to Alaya....
Fak Alaya, all my homies hate it. This is why Gaia is the best.
In my case, Ray Charles' "I can't stop loving you"; Daft Punk's "Something about us" and Jim Croce's "Time in a bottle" were playing on a loop the first 2 weeks OC2 got released... man, the depression was so big, I slept more than usual and only ate once per day and barely hungry... that's how bad this chapter made me feel
After knowing what Alaya did... does Humanity really worth saving?
I'm instead listening too "There is a Reason" from No Game No Life Zero. Not only the song is beautiful, but sad at the same time. But I can't stop listent to it.
"Who will know" That shin godzilla atomic breath scene give me nightmare
@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349Isn't Gaia way worse.
I mean the whole Notes is because of her.
And Beasts and True Ancestors .
@@minthuta3288 don't remember Gaia taking my friends and waifus away, so it's cool in my book.
... plus, I may be misremembering but wasn't Gaia already on its death bed in Notez and asking the other types for help in cleaning it from the "freeloaders/parasytes" living in its carcass?
Is Jeanne Alter not going to return in the game. I hope she does return. If Avengers are not supposed to accompany the Master in their journey but only the original Seven class servants then I hope Jeanne Alter will return as a Lancer. 😢😢😢
Lancer is not FGO Jalter. Its just normal jeanne corrupted by her master in samurai remnant. They are different characters.
Our only hope is Jalter at this point. Mostly because that little "oversight" in her sprite update having some back tattoos that you could only see during her 3rd ascension and during specific attacks. They got removed 2 weeks later but I wanna believe they're the hint for her to come back in the story... at least as the only representative of the Avengers due to her unique circumatances
@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349 I hope so
I think that in the final battle the extra classes will come back to us
They haven't completely disappeared from the story, unlike Solomon and Musashi. They just went on ahead of us, so it's likely they'll be back at some point.
i just realize the place while abigail chanting her NP in ascension 3 that place in fujimaru Mind?
Nah, Id cry.
I wish we could've just used a grail to turn them into living beings and keep Waifu- I mean Jeanne D'Arc Alter around afterwards.
Same. That's been my headcanon for the ending of FGO. Just using a grail to make certain servants into human beings and have them live a happy peaceful life alongside Ritsuka, like Jalter or Castoria.
... on the other hand, I wanna believe this is not the end of Jalter and we'll see her again, if the way Lasangle reacted to removing her back tattoos was any indication
@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349an incredible plot twist would be if the end of fgo is the start of fate/requiem
Thanks
I have two things to say about this ending
1) Man that was heartbreaking
2) Man that was so bullshit
I understand the themes and all but these Avengers clearly show to be more than just mindless vengeance
Not to mention the utility such individuals can be, if we're cherry picking Servants for their "non-moral" behaviour the list will be so big not even the Moon-Cell could register it all
its not the morality. Its the corruption. All those flames that we fight in the story are originated from the avengers. Its clear when dantes' shadow dissapears and they start popping up like crazy as he had been holding them back. Those remmants of vengance stayed in the head of Ritsuka corrupting his mind. Its in actual mental threat to Ritsuka. Its also why Cagliostro was cultivating the bad experiences at the deepest part of his mind. Those things could have grown on their own and Dantes still leaves abigail in charge of cleaning Ritsuka's mind from more corruption that could come later in other forms.
@@MokonaModokiES I fail to see how Cagliostro cultivating those bad experiences has anything to do with the Avengers
There is freaking Zeus on the main pillar, showing how these are all the bad experiences accumulated over the course of the story, not Avengers only
It's never said that's what those flames are, and I always just saw it as Ritsuka own deep feelings of Vengeance pouring out
Though, yours seem to be the only explanation that doesn't make everyone look like total morons for discarding Divine Spirit tier of characters
I will pay more attention to see if that's true in a future reread
NO COME BACK...COME BACK
…There had better be a happy ending where the Avengers come back after the Ordeal Call! Not just Jalter and the others, but Ritsuka deserves that too!
"Only seven seat" meaning that all extra classes will gone eventually? That's understandable as they are a class that shouldn't exist but can't they all just go?
Also I just realize we are missing Space Ishtar and Angra Mainyu (Do they have hatred toward humanity? I don't think so)
Maybe because she's a Primordial Goddess, she has the power to ignore Alaya and do whatever the fuck she wants
I really dislike how they locked that after ending section (after Jalter scene)
For a change…..Mambo did good….?
What's the ost title when Abby pray for Edmond?
Lost Piece. Lostbelt 4. From the scene of Jinako/Ganesha waiting.
Request if possible, can you translate the My Room dialogues for after Id clear?
Dont think anyone did those yet
9:38 I don't get this. If this refers to seven standard classes, then are we supposed to discard every Extra class Servant? OC1 was seemingly about understanding Alter Egos better, not letting them go. And Mash is in that bracket too, right? Will she be unable to make it to final battle?
For that matter, I can guess why Summer Avengers (Kama, Chloe, Erice), Servantverse Avengers (Space Ishtar, Mysterious Ranmaru X) and Gudaguda Avenger (Demon King Nobunaga) weren't included in this, but what about Angra Mainyu and Ushi Gozen? What's their excuse?
According to her profile Ushi Gozen is basically a Rider pretending to be an Avenger and Angra has always been an exception, he doesn't really play by the rules.
@@TheRagnarose I looked up her profile. It seems to say that she truly is an Avenger, whose Spirit Origin originally was Rider... so I guess she is in the same camp as the Summer Avengers - being an Avenger is an altered state, not the natural one. Fine, I can accept this.
Angra being an exception does nothing to clarify, if having him on-board will be just overlooked, an actual problem or a secret backdoor for the return of Avengers (I can hope).
@ssj5gogeta1310 Ushi Gozen has new lines that basically tell us she will eventually leave too iirc. So the one who helped us in this OC2 just left sooner than the other.
Well, different from OC1 where the answer we got is to supplement the Alter Ego and learned to deal and treat them. In OC2, we got 讐理超克 which is "Avange(r) Order Surpassed." Which points to how Fujimaru surpassed the need for Avengers. Novum Chaldea's answer to Avenger class was, "We're over the desire for revenge." Hence why the Avengers are leaving.
However, this does not necessarily need to be the only answer. Had Fujimaru accepted the nature of Avengers as their own, then Ordeal Call requirement would've been cleared anyway and Fujimaru would still have the Avengers with them which is smh that Dantes hope to avoid hence the seven trials. Fujimaru answered that their journey is not for revenge after learning more about them, so it'd be wrong to use the power of vengeance to end said journey.
Personally I'm happy that the Summer Avengers aren't included. Especially Summer Kama, since her target for "revenge" is Parvati and her husband Shiva anyway.
Because of that, the best way to help Kama with her revenge is to basically love her as a husband loves his wife. She's a total pushover anyway, so that should be easy.
I manage to finish OC2 but weirdly enough, my epilogue ended with Jeanne's dialogue and no afterword scene with Douman and stuffs, whats going on? My only guess is probably becuz I have yet to complete shimousa
Same with me although I'm already cleared Shimousa, probably because I don't clear some events like Little Big Tengu. Tbh I really dislike when they doing this
So... Will we have an Ordial Call for each extra class? Or is it just for rulers, avengers and alter egos?
Foreigners too
@@andrewlekhnovskyi I see... So no Moon Cancers and Pretenders
The other classes will be covered in a different wwy. The fight against Aqua Marie unlocks the Pretender score class, so I guess that's how we'll unlock the rest of the Extra classes withour over extending the story further
@@Ren29892 Pretenders are said to be "molded by CHALDEAS" If quoting the story, so I guess there is no problem with them
I have a bit of hopeium that Moon Cancers will be at least a bit covered along with Foreigners
8th anniversary interview:
Are you going to make stories for all Extra Classes? Mooncancer included?
Nasu: No, Mooncancers are like the EX Rank or the fun bonus pages at the end of a manga volume, and more accurately, they have extraterritorial rights by default (laughs). Pretenders don't cause distortions because they come disguised as existing Classes. And we can't make a whole story for Shielder because there's only one of them, so our plan for this one is to do the thing everyone has been waiting for. Look forward to it.
What is the name of the ost that plays here in the inner world with ebi and dantes?
6:29 💀💀💀
And that's it. I'm done with FGO's plot.
Hope they get romani or musashi treatment
... you mean them never coming back? Are you a monster or Sakurai by any chance?
I am still crying until now, I can't move on!