Love this style lowko. Look forward to seeing more videos like this. Late game is tough vs Terran too. Seems that the viper would be very effective vs. late game Terran with abduct and blinding cloud. Would love to see you showing us how to use that unit properly in late game.
Yay! More of this! My win % vs protoss dropped to below 25%. All their all in crushes, often even when i know what is coming. And i lose 100% of the airtoss games. Now i started do proxy hatchery with ravagers, and i am now up to 31%. So i would like to see more styles that can defeat protoss.
Well let's think about this: Parasitic bomb does 60 damage over 7 seconds, carriers have 250 HP and 150 shields. So one P-bomb will kill roughly 1/6 the health of a carrier. So yeah, without serious support it won't solve the problem.
since the last patch i tried drops a lot, too - but if the toss has not many true sight, an investor is the best way to harass at his base, i got over 45 drone kills my last matchups with it and its awesome to play drops again since the patch
I dont usually have problems with Mass Air. Every time I've come up against it I just intiate a base trade when they move out. People I face usually return home and I run away until they move out again.
I love massive bane drops if there's something I'd like to combine would be..a drop combined with a nydus worm..the drop to distract and nydus to finnish it
I would like to see a fallow up vid lowko! I'm finding both Terran and protoss were not used to this at all and I WAS winning a majority of the time within the first 5 minutes using drops and heavy Ling pressure very early on. however they are getting better at defending it. have you been still practicing this style?
Hey Lowko (sorry, I don't know your name), I'm a protoss player. I was thinking about the 9:50 time (of the video). When you took that pylon you could back and atack the natural base front line forcing protoss to get away from his cannons and get in an open area. I know the protoss mind (you too, I know :P ) and could be a nice improvement to get out of that kind of claustrophobic spaces ;) Cheers, nice videos. o/
Good to tip to force wrap in at their home base and not with the wrap prism at your base. It seems that Protoss always tend to have an advantage over Zerg in the late game. In WOLS, HOTS, it was the death ball. Now it is mass carriers. It doesn't seem to be a priority for Blizzard to fix this. Given that interceptors are so cheap to make, it is not cost efficient to trade against Toss when they have lots of carriers. I guess we, Zerg players, won't be focus too much on macro but rather hit them hard before they get those end game units.
a big eco and massive amount of hydras should take out all the interceptors because of the huge buff. Banelings to kill adepts on the ground as well should do well. Watch byul vs stats and see how Byul delt with skytoss
What would be the best way to try and duplicate this build order? Is there a replay file for this for example? I only recently started playing again in LOTV and I'm struggling with all these changes and the change in supply and all that. I could ofc watch this vid over and over and over to analyze it but since this is not your best attempt either I would just be spending all my time copying a less than optimal attempt right.
A couple spine crawlers in your mineral lines, or about 5-6 roaches. sure you will lose workers if they focus down your drones, but they will lose ten adepts for that trade. Just remake the workers and enjoy your army supply advantage.
zerglings+roaches or roaches only(but u need speed for then otherwise the adepts will outrun them with their shades) after you kill them if u made a lot of roaches try to push his 3rd bace
are mass carriers that big problem? i saw one game where a pro zerg used fungles and queens to wreck a mass carrier army, copied it and never had problems with carries since. interceptors are a strange kind of melee unit that are completely neutralized by fungle and the new infestor buff.
lowko awesome vid as usual but I feel that zergling drops doesnt do enuf damage and would need lots of micro. Can you plz plz plz do a vid on fast baneling drop into mineral line to slow down probe numbers. As i think it will be more effective with just 2 over lords with speed and 8 banes for 2 nexus before the 4 minute mark. As you mentioned Toss is so difficult now with air and immortals and cannon rushes. and not to forget terran too with their damn widow mines....
Hey Lowko nice video again ! I have i question for you : Do you know how to kick a Terran when he plays helions/hellbats/cyclones ? It came near 4m30 and the only way i find to repush it is to stay on 2 bases and do mass roachs/ravagers. If you have a solution give it to me xP ! I'm pretty desperate right now, 2W 6L vs this BO.
Banelings. A few good baneling explosions with a ling surround will clean that up. Watch out for focus fire and get at least 8-10 banelings to avoid them all being sniped. Also scouting for this is key. If you see the factory on a reactor, you know that some sort of mech is coming your way. Once you deal with it, you can follow up with a lair and get hydras or mutalisks, or go for a three base counterattack, as you should already have your third.
obidamnkenobi No, you need the ling surround first, then the banelings can roll in and explode most of the army. what would be left could be finished off by queens and ling reinforcements. I'm a Protoss right now so I haven't exactly been able to try it myself, but maybe with more banelings it could be pulled off?
Nice analysis +LowkoTV!! It's weird that you almost don't have creep spread, and you don't have a fourth base. Can you explain +LowkoTV? Maybe I didn't caught in the video.
Hey I just suscribed (and i'm glad I did!) i'm currently only plat 1 but i hope to maybe reach diamond before season end and i wondered what were your thought about nydus zerglings play against toss around the 6 minutes mark?
I believe it would be far better to have only one drop in the main, but also have 4 banes in another overlord next to the natural. If you bait the overcharges and he pulls his probes like in this Game you could probably just win by killing all the probes.
So when protoss gets to the late game with skytoss, is there a general rule for # of corruptors to make for each carrier in the protoss army. My problem is I usually make too many corruptors so I clear out the carrriers but then I lose to the supporting ground force and my air army is useless. Still haven't won a late game matchup against protoss since the new patch! :( Any thoughts are appreciated!
As a Toss player, there are 2 common scenarios when going Skytoss. After My air army dies, I get high templar or DT and a bunch of adepts or stalkers to atk and finish the game, OR use that army to buy tie and expand to get another army of Skytoss. So you're going to need that greater spire ready to go when you destroy that skytoss army. Broods and reinforce with lings and use ling run-bys to get the toss to move back until you can re-stabilize and attack. Or instead of Corruptors, you can use Infestor Hydra Viper combo to take out Airtoss. Chain fungles and abduct with upgraded hydras should be ale to kill Airtoss easily. I know playing as zerg is alot of scouting and creep spread, but that's what you'll have to do to fight a late game toss. Always have some Overseers ready! Toss players always use DT's when they're in a pinch.
I have been playing sky toss carrier ever since Legacy of the Void came out (it was very powerful before 3.8, that patch made it maybe 5-10% stronger, but before the patch nobody was expecting it, many zergs were laughing at me when they scouted it and I was enjoying my 80% win rate) so I think I know how to counter it. The best way really is to all in and kill toss before 6 minute (that is when the sky army starts to build up) or go really heavy macro with double upgrades and kill it with 3/3 hydras with superior economy. They kill interceptors in no time when they have good upgrades. Queens are also good to survive at start and you can build many spores in extreme late game and abduct carriers into them and hydras. Corruptors were totally useless against carriers before the patch because you could release interceptors, now they are probably viable again, but you have to combine them with heavy ling harass. And they are easily countered by void rays.
My Zerg play nowadays is actuually much macro oriented but I also try to grasp opportunites with drops for example or a rush if I see a greedy player of course. Playing macro made it easier for me vs terr and toss to win games, unless I let toss get to Carriers then it is very difficult indeed and it doesn't matter that my economy is much bigger. I Think at that time, one needs to have many spoor crawlers or what thay are called vs air, and have some abduct ready. Zerg vs zerg is the most boring matchup as it seems like the only valid strategy that also leads to my victory often or not, is just rush to zerglings and eventually some bailings.
Amazing how Blizzard still manages to shake up the meta game, so that even experienced players are forced out of their comfort zones and start trying new styles ;).
i got FUCKING MURDERD by like mass 50 pheonix in one of my PvZ games, spent a few days looking for a counter after and decided mass spore infester is the only counter.... if you cant stop em early otherwise you're fuuuuucked.
DUDE... (YOU must be a NUB). MASS zergling base drops was the thing back in Brood Wars days... sadly this skill is MISSING FROM THE new SC players - and you're one of them! ( best you download some zerg play from the brood wars days )
Great gameplay, I'd like to see more improvement on this please.
I would def. like to see a follow-up to this one!
i would be glad to see more of this style in future :D
Follow up for sure! This style is fun to watch!
I love seeing these active playstyles that aren't cheeses. A follow up would be cool!
Love this style lowko. Look forward to seeing more videos like this. Late game is tough vs Terran too. Seems that the viper would be very effective vs. late game Terran with abduct and blinding cloud. Would love to see you showing us how to use that unit properly in late game.
Great vid would love to see a follow up. I've been getting destroyed by mass carriers
Yay! More of this!
My win % vs protoss dropped to below 25%.
All their all in crushes, often even when i know what is coming. And i lose 100% of the airtoss games.
Now i started do proxy hatchery with ravagers, and i am now up to 31%. So i would like to see more styles that
can defeat protoss.
3DE - BlueDragon is so happy to be features in a Lowko Vid. Hello from South Africa Lowko!
Where's the iconic Bye?
i miss the old ending boiy!
this is great, always love early/mid game zerg builds.
I really loved the change to the dropperlord research. Completely denies all wall offs. If they pull the boys, just kills the nexus :)
Hoy Lowko, how about using parasitic bomb against carriers?
Well let's think about this: Parasitic bomb does 60 damage over 7 seconds, carriers have 250 HP and 150 shields. So one P-bomb will kill roughly 1/6 the health of a carrier. So yeah, without serious support it won't solve the problem.
bot it'ts not for the carrier itself, but the little ships, wich have little hp
Hey, could this work? Can a Parasitic bomb kill the little ships?
Ario Cuatro Carriers have too much hp for parasitic bomb to work well on them and you can't target the interceptors wit it either.
Oh I didn't know that, I thought i was a good idea since the bomb stays after it kills the target but meh
Nice match! It would be cool if you comment one of your losses with a late game protoss to show what tend to happen.
Ever consider adding in burrow roaches to one of the pushes? Forcing out an Obs can delay those Immortals pretty nicely.
Saw this game on stream, gg Lowko!
Wait, it wasn't this, but it was similar...
since the last patch i tried drops a lot, too - but if the toss has not many true sight, an investor is the best way to harass at his base, i got over 45 drone kills my last matchups with it and its awesome to play drops again since the patch
I dont usually have problems with Mass Air. Every time I've come up against it I just intiate a base trade when they move out. People I face usually return home and I run away until they move out again.
I love massive bane drops
if there's something I'd like to combine would be..a drop combined with a nydus worm..the drop to distract and nydus to finnish it
I would like to see a fallow up vid lowko! I'm finding both Terran and protoss were not used to this at all and I WAS winning a majority of the time within the first 5 minutes using drops and heavy Ling pressure very early on. however they are getting better at defending it. have you been still practicing this style?
Go for it. Me too wants to add drops in my play.
Very clever! Amazing result of a non stagnant meta
Hey Lowko (sorry, I don't know your name), I'm a protoss player. I was thinking about the 9:50 time (of the video). When you took that pylon you could back and atack the natural base front line forcing protoss to get away from his cannons and get in an open area. I know the protoss mind (you too, I know :P ) and could be a nice improvement to get out of that kind of claustrophobic spaces ;) Cheers, nice videos. o/
Keep them coming like this!!
Good to tip to force wrap in at their home base and not with the wrap prism at your base. It seems that Protoss always tend to have an advantage over Zerg in the late game. In WOLS, HOTS, it was the death ball. Now it is mass carriers. It doesn't seem to be a priority for Blizzard to fix this. Given that interceptors are so cheap to make, it is not cost efficient to trade against Toss when they have lots of carriers. I guess we, Zerg players, won't be focus too much on macro but rather hit them hard before they get those end game units.
would love a follow up video!
Hey Lowko! Have you played the game War for the Overworld? It's a damn good game and i think you'll really enjoy it.
Dungeon Keeper 3 :D
Is parasite bomb still in the game? Maybe fungal then bomb them! For the stargate late gamey stuff =D
great video, i like a lot aggresive zerg gameplay. hope to see more of this! :D
If the Carriers can ONLY attack Air units OR Ground Units Then Starcraft 2 will be ultimately balanced! Thank you Lowko for this build
Would like to see more droplords action.
a big eco and massive amount of hydras should take out all the interceptors because of the huge buff. Banelings to kill adepts on the ground as well should do well. Watch byul vs stats and see how Byul delt with skytoss
Great! Will try ir right away!
so, what happend to the infestor and fungal? Is it no longer an option? Those pesky drones would be gone pretty quickly.
Can you make a video on how to counter mass ravens/battlecruisers and hellion/tank pushes as zerg ?
great play bro
dropper-lord should being able to produce zerglings, or pick up larva after they que creating units! that would be fun
What would be the best way to try and duplicate this build order?
Is there a replay file for this for example? I only recently started playing again in LOTV and I'm struggling with all these changes and the change in supply and all that. I could ofc watch this vid over and over and over to analyze it but since this is not your best attempt either I would just be spending all my time copying a less than optimal attempt right.
Pretty nice build, you should definitly do it :)
What would be best for defending a 10 or so, adept run-by? Banelings? roaches?
definitely, either or both
A couple spine crawlers in your mineral lines, or about 5-6 roaches. sure you will lose workers if they focus down your drones, but they will lose ten adepts for that trade. Just remake the workers and enjoy your army supply advantage.
Either or both. Just need to have them in time. It's mostly preference.
zerglings+roaches or roaches only(but u need speed for then otherwise the adepts will outrun them with their shades) after you kill them if u made a lot of roaches try to push his 3rd bace
are mass carriers that big problem? i saw one game where a pro zerg used fungles and queens to wreck a mass carrier army, copied it and never had problems with carries since. interceptors are a strange kind of melee unit that are completely neutralized by fungle and the new infestor buff.
please make a follow up video im having the same problem vs protoss
Enjoyed the titanfall 2 ad with Linkin park's numb, had to watch the whole thing ha
As far as I know, the way to counter Carriers is to scout it asap and rush out Corruptors to kill the first two or three Carriers
Void Rays
it'd be great if u commented pro match with the zergling drops^^
lowko awesome vid as usual but I feel that zergling drops doesnt do enuf damage and would need lots of micro. Can you plz plz plz do a vid on fast baneling drop into mineral line to slow down probe numbers. As i think it will be more effective with just 2 over lords with speed and 8 banes for 2 nexus before the 4 minute mark. As you mentioned Toss is so difficult now with air and immortals and cannon rushes. and not to forget terran too with their damn widow mines....
I countered with Hidra muta Corruptor with focus Attack and sometimes I lost because of my injections, u should try it and add some vypers
Please Lowko, Could you give me some advices to improove my ZvP, this is a match to a gran Master ggtracker.com/matches/6905254
Nice strat! :) Will try! :D
the aggro was great but where was that overlord spread lowko :P
Great video
Hey Lowko nice video again !
I have i question for you :
Do you know how to kick a Terran when he plays helions/hellbats/cyclones ?
It came near 4m30 and the only way i find to repush it is to stay on 2 bases and do mass roachs/ravagers.
If you have a solution give it to me xP ! I'm pretty desperate right now, 2W 6L vs this BO.
Banelings. A few good baneling explosions with a ling surround will clean that up. Watch out for focus fire and get at least 8-10 banelings to avoid them all being sniped. Also scouting for this is key. If you see the factory on a reactor, you know that some sort of mech is coming your way. Once you deal with it, you can follow up with a lair and get hydras or mutalisks, or go for a three base counterattack, as you should already have your third.
I can make a video on it if you like. There's a few steps to it. I'll have a look if I can make something like it in the next couple of days.
Roach/ravager/queens sounds like the way to go IMO. Wont banelings get roasted too fast? And if he splits well you're out of units and screwed.
obidamnkenobi No, you need the ling surround first, then the banelings can roll in and explode most of the army. what would be left could be finished off by queens and ling reinforcements. I'm a Protoss right now so I haven't exactly been able to try it myself, but maybe with more banelings it could be pulled off?
Nice analysis +LowkoTV!! It's weird that you almost don't have creep spread, and you don't have a fourth base. Can you explain +LowkoTV? Maybe I didn't caught in the video.
I mentioned it. It's not on purpose, it's just really difficult to do everything at once.
Oh ok thx for the feedback
can you try vipers and hydras vs carriers?
Is this a good strategy against terran too?
lowko how do u survive against a terran player who rush hellbat to my base at 7 mins ?
Hey I just suscribed (and i'm glad I did!) i'm currently only plat 1 but i hope to maybe reach diamond before season end and i wondered what were your thought about nydus zerglings play against toss around the 6 minutes mark?
+heucl meucl-heucl First off, welcome! The Nydus is really expensive. It's technically better than a dropperlord but the commitment is far bigger.
roach rush in early game is effctive too
Seems to be, I'm winning nearly 80% vs protoss mostly by going for a roach timing push (I'm in plat 3).
ravagers make it very hard to defend timing pushes very hard to defend.
Is there another way of defending against an early oracle without having to place a pylon in your mineral line?Been playing for a month
Mafakas Momfis Assuming you actually saw it coming, could can always warp in a stalker or two.
Mafakas Momfis canons should work too :) or catch the Oracle with phoenixes
I believe it would be far better to have only one drop in the main, but also have 4 banes in another overlord next to the natural. If you bait the overcharges and he pulls his probes like in this Game you could probably just win by killing all the probes.
I always thought "If terran and Protoss can do drops, so can I!" Close to diamond now :]
whats your build order for this?
So when protoss gets to the late game with skytoss, is there a general rule for # of corruptors to make for each carrier in the protoss army. My problem is I usually make too many corruptors so I clear out the carrriers but then I lose to the supporting ground force and my air army is useless. Still haven't won a late game matchup against protoss since the new patch! :(
Any thoughts are appreciated!
As a Toss player, there are 2 common scenarios when going Skytoss. After My air army dies, I get high templar or DT and a bunch of adepts or stalkers to atk and finish the game, OR use that army to buy tie and expand to get another army of Skytoss.
So you're going to need that greater spire ready to go when you destroy that skytoss army. Broods and reinforce with lings and use ling run-bys to get the toss to move back until you can re-stabilize and attack.
Or instead of Corruptors, you can use Infestor Hydra Viper combo to take out Airtoss. Chain fungles and abduct with upgraded hydras should be ale to kill Airtoss easily.
I know playing as zerg is alot of scouting and creep spread, but that's what you'll have to do to fight a late game toss.
Always have some Overseers ready! Toss players always use DT's when they're in a pinch.
I have been playing sky toss carrier ever since Legacy of the Void came out (it was very powerful before 3.8, that patch made it maybe 5-10% stronger, but before the patch nobody was expecting it, many zergs were laughing at me when they scouted it and I was enjoying my 80% win rate) so I think I know how to counter it. The best way really is to all in and kill toss before 6 minute (that is when the sky army starts to build up) or go really heavy macro with double upgrades and kill it with 3/3 hydras with superior economy. They kill interceptors in no time when they have good upgrades. Queens are also good to survive at start and you can build many spores in extreme late game and abduct carriers into them and hydras. Corruptors were totally useless against carriers before the patch because you could release interceptors, now they are probably viable again, but you have to combine them with heavy ling harass. And they are easily countered by void rays.
Nice! More plz! :)
Are you going to play another Telltale game?
Season 3 of the Walking Dead is coming out in just a few days.
Sweeeeeet
holy shit everything got real weird....
I haven't played since Heart of the Swarm, guess all those new units really did me in xD
Is vipers good against carriers?
+Maximum997 they can bd
Are you making hearthstone gameplay's
Always try and do drops. a few dozen lings with barrow :]
play paragon too bro !
Zerkling!
How the f*ck are lowko's fingers so fast
Follow up video
been a longtime
My Zerg play nowadays is actuually much macro oriented but I also try to grasp opportunites with drops for example or a rush if I see a greedy player of course. Playing macro made it easier for me vs terr and toss to win games, unless I let toss get to Carriers then it is very difficult indeed and it doesn't matter that my economy is much bigger. I Think at that time, one needs to have many spoor crawlers or what thay are called vs air, and have some abduct ready. Zerg vs zerg is the most boring matchup as it seems like the only valid strategy that also leads to my victory often or not, is just rush to zerglings and eventually some bailings.
I love to drop lurkers
(This is my reaction to the intro, haven't watched video yet)
So, why are Protoss bitching on the forums about the changes, last I checked at least?
INSANE! i hate drops from T and P so much and these kind of harrasments... now comes the karma from me! :P
i have not watched StarCraft for a long time
Why does the Overloard look so different in the Thumbnail? xD
It's one of the skins.
That's what an overlord morphed into a dropperlord looks like!
Ah thanks. I knew the skin but did not see that morphed form. :D
That basicly happens when you just play campain and co-op ... xD
if you rush baneling drop you might've won the game and concealing the secret that you're going for drop for later
Yes, im tired of being bullied by drops and warpins, time to turn the tables
Amazing how Blizzard still manages to shake up the meta game, so that even experienced players are forced out of their comfort zones and start trying new styles ;).
twennod JedVudO I blame all the units that werent being used.
toss main here : pls no follow up vid, I was enjoying the changes til Zerg started dropping
I'll try... But I fear for Phoenix x-x
Want to see entire game
Did u won?
It was the entire game..? The other guy left.
follow up
i got FUCKING MURDERD by like mass 50 pheonix in one of my PvZ games, spent a few days looking for a counter after and decided mass spore infester is the only counter.... if you cant stop em early otherwise you're fuuuuucked.
Should I actaully play this game. I have tried but i always just suck lol
Try the campaign and co-op. Those alone are already worth it.
LowkoTV I actually have beaten every campaign. I just suck at multiplayer.
How about commenting games from bronze league? They are fun in messy way.
he could make a fenix..
mass protoss air is impossible to beat
Why does he click constantly in the beginning? I've seen that in a lot of videos. Glad I'm not an epileptic.
Lowko i hav your logo (dekal)
obviously obviously obviously
60fps please.
about time the zergs start losing in mass
RIP High pitched bye. :(
BOOOI
HAHA AM LOOSING TO NORMAL BOTS AM SO GOOD
DUDE... (YOU must be a NUB). MASS zergling base drops was the thing back in Brood Wars days... sadly this skill is MISSING FROM THE new SC players - and you're one of them! ( best you download some zerg play from the brood wars days )