Brilliant demonstration as usual,I’ve seen some of the Vesta cases with the fish and other scenes on and something didn’t seem right with them,I understand know what the issues were,at least my gut instinct was right👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Are the gold stripes on vesta and cigarette cases also a modern embelishment, maybe its in my head but I get the impression I am seeing more of them than I used to (also informative as always!)
Yes you do get period low carat gold embellishments to both, though usually in combination with engine turned or hand engraved decoration. You can also get gold applied initials, especially on Art Deco examples
The "wrong uns" 😲.....very interesting. Last year read "Irish Scottish and English silver at the Francine and Sterling Clark institute". A good read simply because of the many now recognised problematic pieces in the collection. Please visit this theme again Michael to warn us beginers.🙄
No enameled vestas but I’ve got 2-3 cigarette cases with enamel decoration. Safe to assume they did it with those as well?? I’ll have to find them and give them the speed bump test.
This is a slight digression but I have my late grandfather's brass vesta case (more of a caddy, really) that sat near the fireplace and he used to light the fire. I continued to use it for lighting my stove etc. Sadly, 'strike anywhere' matches can no longer be obtained for love nor money and my cherished heirloom is redundant.
@@michaelbaggott-rk1lh ruh roh! There is one I have with a horse in it that I’ll now wonder about. It occurred to me I bought it online years ago and never even opened the package. If any of them will have been abused I’ll bet that will be the one. If I ever find that package I’ll report back.
Keep ranting please. I took delivery of an unmarked vesta case inset with agate this week; thankfully it is genuine. The next day, while perusing a silver book, I discovered that my georgian milk jug is infact an altered christening mug. It's a minefield out there.
Thank you for disseminating this information Michael. I hate seeing these things for sale, knowing that someone may be put off their newfound interest in collecting silver by being caught out by an unscrupulous seller.
Astounding advice, as ever, from the academically accomplished, always ardent and adroit authority about all affairs argent. 👏 👏 👏
Awed by the acclaim! 👍
Thank you Michael. All new to me and so interesting. As always a very interesting talk. Take care Pete
Thanks Pete, glad you enjoyed it
All good, Michael, always.
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More really useful info when out looking at auctions to the likes of myself new to collecting silver. Thanks Michael 👍🏻
Hope it’s useful
Thank you so much! Very interesting!
Learned so much from you. Thank you!
You’re very welcome, hope it’s practically useful.
@@michaelbaggott-rk1lh always!
Brilliant demonstration as usual,I’ve seen some of the Vesta cases with the fish and other scenes on and something didn’t seem right with them,I understand know what the issues were,at least my gut instinct was right👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Always best to leave something alone if you have any doubts about it. 👍
Thanks Michael. As always very informative
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Crikey the humble vesta case, absolute minefield! Never heard any of that advice on bargin hunt etc.
Happy to help.👍
Are the gold stripes on vesta and cigarette cases also a modern embelishment, maybe its in my head but I get the impression I am seeing more of them than I used to (also informative as always!)
Yes you do get period low carat gold embellishments to both, though usually in combination with engine turned or hand engraved decoration. You can also get gold applied initials, especially on Art Deco examples
The "wrong uns" 😲.....very interesting. Last year read "Irish Scottish and English silver at the Francine and Sterling Clark institute". A good read simply because of the many now recognised problematic pieces in the collection. Please visit this theme again Michael to warn us beginers.🙄
Will do. Yes lots of 50’s fakes noted in that collection.
No enameled vestas but I’ve got 2-3 cigarette cases with enamel decoration. Safe to assume they did it with those as well?? I’ll have to find them and give them the speed bump test.
Yes they have also been heavily “improved” (abused)!!
This is a slight digression but I have my late grandfather's brass vesta case (more of a caddy, really) that sat near the fireplace and he used to light the fire. I continued to use it for lighting my stove etc. Sadly, 'strike anywhere' matches can no longer be obtained for love nor money and my cherished heirloom is redundant.
@@michaelbaggott-rk1lh ruh roh! There is one I have with a horse in it that I’ll now wonder about. It occurred to me I bought it online years ago and never even opened the package. If any of them will have been abused I’ll bet that will be the one. If I ever find that package I’ll report back.
Keep ranting please. I took delivery of an unmarked vesta case inset with agate this week; thankfully it is genuine. The next day, while perusing a silver book, I discovered that my georgian milk jug is infact an altered christening mug. It's a minefield out there.
I’m afraid it is.
Thank you for disseminating this information Michael. I hate seeing these things for sale, knowing that someone may be put off their newfound interest in collecting silver by being caught out by an unscrupulous seller.
Yes, I despair of seeing them all over the place too. Hopefully now new collectors will be aware and buy the good ones, not the bad.