Tri-ang Railways R.346 Stephenson's Rocket train
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- A quick look at my Tri-ang Railways R.346 Stephenson's Rocket train from 1963 with a few extra R.621 Rocket coaches from a similar period negotiating the System 6 track. All dates are approximate Music Source / Royalty-free Apple loops/
Link to earlier video with R.346 Stephenson's Rocket:
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Morning Oscar that is amazing locomotive I have been looking for one of those for years but you have one what works thank again for a good video big thank 👍👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thanks Jamie glad you enjoyed the video, hope you find yourself one of these terrific little models for your collection.
Take care.
Oscar
Great fun watching your Rocket on the move today Oscar. Four coaches hauled up the incline with ease. From what I've watched online the new Centenary version has less pulling power. A superb model by Tri-ang that works as it should after more than half a century. Best regards to you
the new model doesnt have magnehesion which the old one has
@@vikingsmb no steel rails anymore either but the new model is lovely looking with it's fine details 🙂
Agreed. Even only a subtle incline and the poor thing* has wheel slip. But only if you're hauling all 3 carriages along the rails.
*the new model that is.
Good morning Mr Snooze glad you enjoyed seeing the Tri-ang Rocket in action it's one of those models that when running you can't help smiling.
Take care.
Oscar
I can never get enough of the Rocket!! Thank you Oscar, simply wonderful.
Thank you glad you enjoyed the video.
Oscar
The "weathered" look of the Rocket looks quite good. :) I do understand how delicate it must feel. If I recall it was pretty delicate from new. Almost 60 years later it would be very delicate.
Even more delicate when one takes a brick bat to it. A curious novelty, nothing more. I was so pleased when Hornby issued an HO version which is a jewel in detail and a perfect mechanism.
@@jeffreymcneal1507 can't compare modern locos to these old Triangs really.
Completely different beast and a different era 😊
Hi Brendan thanks again for watching as you say I suspect it always was a delicate model and age will not have helped. Still a very lovely item, one that makes me smile when I see it in action.
Take care.
Oscar
Such a relaxing and calming video to watch this morning, a nostalgic look back at the original “Rocket and carriages” from 60s. Such a fragile model to service and put back together but when travelling around the railway what a view. Not sure about the new one, thick it’s actually more delicate.. Thankyou again for morning video and coffee. All best Marc
Thanks Marc glad you enjoyed the video, others have mentioned that the new model is very fragile, but looks like a beautiful item and Hornby have made some loverly looking rolling stock to go with it, this also looks very fragile!
Take care.
Oscar
Wonderful. A great achievement from Tri-ang. It looks lovely going round. 😊
Good morning Pauline thanks again for watching glad you enjoyed seeing this great locomotive running around the railway it was amazing for the time, and still very entertaining and brings a great big smile on the face.
Take care.
Oscar
It looked terrific driving round your layout. 😁
I don’t think you should ever refer to Stephenson’s Rocket as a Novelty! That model is six months younger than me and still performing brilliantly. As said already you have to love Triang. From the Rocket to EM2 overheads, the Blue Caley Single to the Blue Pullman. Must get my super 4 layout out and get my favourite if all time the Transcontinental pacific, out for a run.
Magnificent example. What a wonderful model.
Wasn't triang at the time almost enigmatic. You couldn't really have a loco stud for even a garden variety GWR branchline, however you could run stephenson's rocket next to the latest blue Pullman. But that's all part of the triang charm really.
It was a horrid model, sorry to disagree. As Oscar explains it perfectly: it was/is a novelty. (The new Hornby HO version is a jewel).
@@jeffreymcneal1507 was it horrid though? The latest hornby has had the backing of half a century of technological development behind it. The triang model is instantly recognizable, it ran, and was available in its thousands anywhere at an affordable price, previous models of rocket tending to be very expensive and exclusive.
With technological hindsight it is horrid, in 1962 it was a bit of a plastic miracle. And not a particularly good seller, for exactly that reason: it was cute, a novelty, and most children really wanted the blue Pullman.
I do agree with you funnily enough from a modern viewpoint, but I think that we of today should really be looking at a model with how it was viewed at the time.
The triang rocket was praised, like the brush A1A-A1A. The dublo co-bo was considered a very disappointing model at the time, its ringfield not withstanding.
With that in mind should we be justified in determining what should be considered a horrid model? I think really it should be judged by aspect of contemporary availability of like models, with triangs rocket there was of course the trix Adler, better or worse?
One could pertain the same view towards say, the XK120 or its track racing rival the hornet, both horrid by today's standards, but absolute world beaters for their time, even an early e-type, but all revered by enthusiasts today :)
I love the Rolling Road.
I only had RT297, the electric toothbrush.
One of my favorite locomotives, and you are absolutely correct, there is always something ready to go wrong with this item. I obtained a set, scarcely used, and ran it for about seven hours at a train show. The brushes wore out quickly, and attempt to repair it came to not. An interesting design, poorly constructed. Some said that it was actually Sn3, not OO in scale.
As many know, Hornby released a a new tooled HO version, which I got as fast as I could pull out my wallet. Unlike the Triang junk, it is a jewel, and has power pick ups from locomotive through the tender, thus it runs at a slow sweet speed and walks effortlessly through turnouts.
In any event, another superb video, and "novelty" is precisely the correct word to identify this unit.
Super awesome good sir you are a scholar and a gentleman I love your movies and you’re layout is amazing
Thank you so much 😀
Hello Oscar, I really have fun Sunday mornings comparing my versions to yours. Your Rocket model certainly runs much better than mine. When I got mine it was a non runner and what I found was what you mentioned about a split in the brush holding piece. Mine was bad enough that the brush had pushed out and twisted sideways. A very delicate plastic welding with a soldering iron was required to repair it. Other differences include a yellow firebox and black banding on the water barrel in the tender. I only have one coach, Despatch and it is missing one buffer and that same step is gone too. It also has a small chip in the luggage rack on the roof. These models have been shelf display only for many years.
It amazed me to see yours pulling four coaches on the flat and I could hardly believe that you would even attempt the elevated section and then to do a standing start with minimal wheel slip was incredible.
Thank you again for a great start to my Sunday. Regards, David.
Good evening David, its been a very odd week with very poor weather condition here, but I think we got of lightly here in the North East this time compared to southern and western parts of the UK. Lovely to hear you enjoyed the video. It's an amazing model for the time and even more so that it run with all its intricate parts, its a very interesting design. Thanks for the information about you models and the motor, possibly a weak point in the plastic moulding on the motor perhaps? sounds like great fix you made.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar
Fantastic loco this week and one I have never owned, but although it being rather delicate the urge to keep using it must be high on your list. Thanks for a great video. Enjoyed it immensely.
Regards paul osman.
Good morning Paul thank you again for watching glad you enjoyed seeing the Tri-ang Rocket in action it really is a lovely little item an amazing bit of design for the period. You can't help but smile running it.
Take care.
Oscar
Super tabor kolejowy 🚂👍 pozdrawiam 🍻👨🚒🦁🐱
Dzień dobry, jeszcze raz dziękuję za poświęcenie czasu na obejrzenie tego bardzo doceniam, cieszę się, że podobały Ci się modele lokomotyw.
Oscar
Hi Oscar. Probably the only way to get it running better over the points would be to put pick-ups on the tender. A bit of a fiddly job, But it can be done. What is really impressive was that they managed to get a X03 type motor in it. Again a great video.
Good morning Gerard, glad you enjoyed the video. I think you're right about the pick ups on the tender bing the way to improve overall running. I seem to remember she was a little happier on the Super 4 with the flange depths.
Take care.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar. for showing the Rocket coping with system six track
With the contemporary Dean Single and Caledonian Single Triang also had the trailing wheels make use of magnadhesion to assist with electrical pickup.
Seems to be needed even more with the Rocket but not designed in for some reason.
Very early TV news coverage in Australia covering Toy Fair news had Triang solve this problem by running it flat out as I recall. As was lots of Triang usage at the time .
With the Rocket featured in the edition nine catalogue not long before and admired by me, the TV coverage was firmly etched into my mind.
As was an early seventies Faraday lecture on TV using a Rocket model to demonstrate an electronic principle. However what was the biggest memory with this was the fact that the Triang Rocket failed to move at all. Most disapointing.
Thanks again John for watching and taking the time to write this great comment. It's definitely made me smile.
Take care.
Oscar
Oh, the irony of describing Rocket as a "Novelty". On a different note, the paperwork that came with her shows how manufacturers' attitude to supplying spares has completely changed: you get an exploded diagram with all the part numbers listed, whereas these days if a small part detaches from your £200 loco and gets lost, the standard answer seems to be, "Sorry we don't carry that part as a spare". I'm speaking from experience.
Hi Oscar,
What a delight that was, such a delicate model as you say and deserving of some TLC. The whole thing reminds me of the film the Titfield Thunderbolt. I don't suppose there are many examples of the original model surviving today in pristine condition, given the afore mentioned delicacy.
Food for thought, a Heritage Line on the layout, just when you have a minute. :))
Good morning Gordon glad you enjoyed that certainly is a fragile little thing although not quite as fragile is the current Hornby model, which looks absolutely terrific especially with the options on rolling stock to go with it.
Thank you again take care.
Oscar
Good visual video with schematics...keep up the good work Oscar...
Thanks David glad you’re enjoying the videos.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar. I have a spare triang rocket tender happy to swap for a coach if anyone interested.
Apparently these coaches are all based on the 1930s replica of what people THOUGHT the original coaches were, not necessarily true to life as it was pre camera era. That holds true for the yellow too.
I have the late 70s hornby version. Very similar but silver seal wheels help with pick up. However it seems the trailing wheels are always the culprits for poor running as they don't seem to conduct to the chassis reliably. I've fitted a weight under the chassis but the pick up is still unreliable. Yours has benefit of the magnehesion being steel track. My suggestion is to ensure the axles have thin oil applied because if its anything like the ringfield chassis picking up through the diecast, keeping that bearing point lubricated helps a lot with connectivity.
Thanks for the gift you sent, hope you enjoy the zero one parts.
You're welcome, thanks again for watching and the information. Great to hear you have the 70s version with a silver seal type wheels. I think you're right about those rear axle pick ups due to the lightness of the model they tend to float in the bearing and don't keep continuous contact.
Take care.
Oscar
Great video as always Oscar. I had no idea that Triang had made this all those years ago. Shame about the smoke box not working when running, but it certainly managed to get round the layout. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
Good afternoon Roy thanks again for watching, it's such a lovely item and terrific bit of design for it age. It does smoke on the Rolling Road quite freely and it will smoke on the rails but has to be run rather quickly. I suppose on a white/light background any smoke it dose produce doesn't show at all, but against a dark background you would see smoke much more quickly at lower speeds, it certainly has a great smell about it when it's running, all great fun.
Take care.
Oscar
Very enjoyable video Oscar, these things cost a fortune these days, in good condition with boxes, I have been after one for ages, but prices are well out of my reach, they are extremely rare in good condition , good toolmakers at Tri-ang in those days to produce a model like this.
It was definitely a lovely piece of modelling for the time, thanks for watching.
Oscar
Much nicer and more interesting than I would have expected. Rather charming without it's body too.
I think Hornby made a 'giant' one of these in the seventies or eighties, possible gas powered. They appear once in a while at the local auction house.
Hi thanks again for watching glad you enjoyed this look at the Tri-ang Rocket. I remember a friend of mine at school in the late 70s getting the gas powered Hornby Stephensons Rocket for Christmas, I was very jealous at the time!
Take care.
Oscar
Good video Oscar . Reminds me of my early days , wondering if the loco would get over the points and driving it fast to clear the frog . Difficult to think it’s nearly 60 years old . I have the new Centenary version in the Triang box . With pick ups on tender it runs smoother over points . But very fragile . I’m certain that won’t last 60 years !
Good morning Russell thank you again for watching, great to hear you have the centenary version. It’s all good fun running these models old or new.
Take care.
Oscar
Watching the Rocket going round the laps and crossing the various hazards such as the crossover, and listening to your guidance, I have started to consider: Have you ever considered doing Horse Racing Commentary!!! Great viewing as always thank you.
Honestly Oscar, You would be a hit on Top Gear.
Great video Oscar. Take care.
Thanks, you too!
Oscar
Great to see this little model that lives up to its name when on the move. If you think that the original version is fragile then you should try handling the new one 😉.
Good morning Rob thank you again for watching and the information. The new one really does look fragile in pictures I’ve seen.
Take care
Oscar
Great video Oscar, your rocket looked really good running it round the layout, it was nice to see rocket running with more than one coach, it looked great with the smoke generator as well although it had to be running fairly quickly, I’m surprised triang could do that bearing in mind when this was made.
Good morning David thank you again glad you enjoy the video. It's really an amazing model when you take into account the time it was designed and produced.
Take care.
Oscar
Fantastic Model I've Got The New version of it
I think the problem over the pointwork is due to the gap between the plastic frogs, I think that the wheels which have deep flanges are catching at that point
Hi thank you for watching the information I think you may be right about the frogs.
Take care.
Oscar
Good video on your channel thanks lee
Good morning Lee thanks again for watching glad you enjoyed the video, take care.
Oscar
Why they made it I have no idea beyond the whim of someone senior enough to make it stick. I'm very glad they did. It should smoke at running speed on the track, might be worth checking its all clean in the smoke tube.
Hi Andrew thanks again for watching and the information. As you say it’s great they took the decision to make this and some of the other more niche models at the time.
Take care.
Oscar
I have the c1980s re issude of the Rocket. I have not run or tried to run it in ages. Some of the body details are sadly damaged. It is keped in the original box, it is not in good condition, as I would sometimes take it and one or two other locos to run on a friend's layout. And transport to and from his place, took it's tole on the boxes. I never knew that the 'original' had a smoke unit. Although the later isue of it does have something in the chimney. But it is/was prob something to do with Telly/radio suppression?
Good morning Mike great to hear you have a 80s issue of the Rocket.
Thank you again for watching and the information take care.
Oscar
hi Oscar i have never realy been tempted to buy the rocket as it was never in my price range on ebay maybe now with other locomotives in the offing i might be tempted to do a diorama bbut with rising prices i am unlikely really incidentally i celebrated my seventeenth on the very day that your little rocket was manufactured and it i think has aged better than me
The motor has a lot in common with minic motorways motors so parts can be scavenged.
6:42 I think Novelty was a different locomotive 🤣
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the momentum from the coaches help rocket through the points right?
The problem is caused by the irreversible nature of the worm drive. The engine can't coast over gaps.
A flywheel on the motor would solve the problem.
Hiya Oscar - I have the newer Rocker (R3810) it doesn't have smoke like your does 😐 it came with 3 1st Class Carriages & I bought 3 Flat bed Wagons (R60014) & 3 3rd Class open Carriages (R40102) Here is a review of it if you want to see :- ruclips.net/video/WhojsCLz40I/видео.html Also a test to see how powerful the Rocket is...ruclips.net/video/sIVo4EsZFZU/видео.html Thank you & enjoy 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Good morning that's a fine collection of models you have, they look amazingly detailed if a little fragile. Those couplings would definitely test my patience I think. thanks again for watching take care.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Hello again Oscar - yes thank you a little fragile - also yes "testing patience" is the right phrase for it!!! T. c. yourself!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂