Bobby Knight was simply jealous of John Wooden’s success. Wooden was a gentleman and class act on and off the court. The same could not be said of Knight.
Irrelevant. The fact that Wooden presided over a program that was beyond crooked is a travesty. Ignorance is not an excuse. If that happened in today's world the coach would be skewered.
Exactly! Because Knight is an honest broker. Clearly Wooden, who Knight specifically said he liked and respected as a coach, is NOT an honest broker. Unless you question Knight's facts; Wooden looked the other way re recruitment. Knight's players not only were successful on the court, but became coaches, team presidents and NBA execs.
John Wooden never assaulted his players, berated them, or behaved like an out of control animal on the sidelines. I’ll take John Wooden any day over this guy.
@@TempeSoldier123 Knight made sure his players went to class, graduated, and played by the rules. He wasn't perfect, but if you're going to mention the ugly side, make sure and mention the clean side. 99% of his players stood by him until the end. Very few coaches had as much loyalty from their players as Knight.
Bobby Knight was a good man. Willing to help a foreign guy with giant glasses and zero skills with english language, who knocked on his door with a dictionary on his hand, asking for help to improve the level of basketball in his country. Many years later, Bobby and this guy faced each other in the Olympic final in Los Ángeles 84. Antonio Díaz Miguel was the Spanish coach with his giant glasses, the mastermind who paved the way for Pau Gasol, Ricky Rubio, Jose Manuel Calderón, Jorge Garbajosa, Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernández, Sergio Llull...and the two world championships and four European Championships won by Spain in this century. And he always, always publicly thanked his American friends for the help they gave to him. Specially Bobby Knight.
John Wooden was an active duty Naval officer for 4 years during WW2. Bobby Knight liked to be called the General Because he coached the Army basketball team at West Point. When he finally had an opportunity to really represent his country, he embarrassed it by pulling the men's national team off the court over an argument with a ref. This was during a game against the Soviet Union. Knight was a blowhard and an egomaniac. Wooden was a gentleman.
@SpiderK22 - With all due respect to John Wooden, Knight's point here is that Wooden was, to use your descriptive, too much of a gentleman. It's not a virtue, but a flaw. Wooden just didn't know how to handle Sam Gilbert? Well, Knight could have and would have. Which is a strength to be given its due. Just as you call out Knight's flaw, in your opinion, be consistent in calling out a flaw in Wooden as well. Otherwise, you are acting in bad faith here, which exposes your flaw as well in selectively judging only certain people.
Knight disrespected his players the officials, fans, and everyone, so the only class he had was low class. He once attacked a fan in the elevator and should have been jailed
@@danman6669 And I cannot respect any damn coach who throws a chair onto the court, I will call him "Bobby," all day long, and I am not asking you to like it.
@@garymorris1856 and you're not listening to his comments. he respected him as a coach, but Wooden let the system "break the rules" for the benefit of his team.
You clearly do not know basketball. Knight had 4 "Mr. Basketballs" on that team and they were playing like girl scouts". He threw the chair to finally wake them up to reality. He was sick and tired of it. Get your asses in gear ! And it worked. Then kids that make Indiana teams are bulldogs. They are no cream puffs. Cream puffs play for second class teams. They are rough and tough kids with a ton of upper body strength. To shake a kid of that caliber is about like playing touch football. You deal with them in the manner they play. That is the language a top player of that caliber understands. To make the starting 5 on any Indiana high school team you have to be a rough dude. But for being that way, you get a full ride through college. Those are the guys top colleges want to recruit. It was well known that the I.U. President wanted Knight out because he was getting all the attention. This guy did not like that and virtually everyone knew it. Because of that and the Knight firing the medical community stopped donating to the school and that President had to go. Doctors in Indiana have nothing in their lives except I.U. basketball. Most of them graduated from the I.U. medical school. So if they like what they see they shell out big.
@@williamcowell1889 Was there any legal action based on severity ? Go to any top-end high-school game in Indiana and you are going to see a brawl. A little shake is like a hand- message to a kid like that. Know the game..... Your opinion..... Trash.
Bob Knight is small beer. He isn’t in Wooden’s league, let alone class. Wooden’s career record is virtually unequaled in college basketball and it can safely be said no one will ever again coach a team to seven consecutive NCAA titles. First thing I remember about Knight is his chair throwing antics. On the other hand, I met Wooden once, giving a speech, gratis, at a YMCA I worked for, and he was every inch a gentleman.
there is NO "suggestion" - Sam Gilbert lived next door to me-trust me, he broke the rules. wooden was a great coach, but i his own way as flawed as Knight. woodmen's string of titles has to have an asterisk after it. The hypocrisy was avbsultuely stunning though-suc h denial. but neither were better coaches than Tony Bennett, Jay wright, or even Coach K .
@@johnnyretro84 years ago.....netflix maybe? Some Greek restaurateur was slipping UCLA players $$$ during the Wooden years.....as I remember the documentary "suggested"
Literally talking to 97 yr old man the other day. Was on Woodens frosh team in 1948. "What was Wooden like as a man." "A G-d." This is a 97 yr old man not given to hyperbole, exaggeration, or even unwarranted praise."
I suggest a movie called "Blue Chips"; a movie about college recruitment corruption and payoffs. Cameos by virtually every prominent college coach. Starred Nick Nolte as the only clean recruiter- clearly based on Bobby Knight.
Unfortunately, we will never know how many players would not have gone to UCLA without Sam Gilbert's money. Which the NCAA said UCLA was guilty and they still didn't do anything about it. Almost NIL before NIL. It was still breaking NCAA rules.
@CoronaMechanics88 lol, own my own house, car and have over half million in the credit union and million plus in investments tiaa-cref, charles schwab. I'm doing better than you 😄
Knight couldn't carry Wooden's jock strap. Wooden was even an All American basketball player from Indiana and went to Purdue. I believe that made Knight even more jealous.
@@edgardeese bobby was an ass who liked to try and play tough guy with college kids. He should have been fired decades ago and faced assault charges. If you cant handle those simple facts or if you get butt hurt over hearing the GFYS
Coach Knight had a weekly radio show here in Dallas (because of Texas Tech) Let me just say that man is interesting and completely insane. He lives in his own world and by his own rules. He’s so self-absorbed he can’t see his hypocrisy. He also may have had a drink or two every now and then…… or he’s got a borderline personality.
For reference, Sam Gilbert got involved with UCLA around 1966. By that time John Wooden had been there for close to 20 years and had already won two national championships and had multiple NCAA appearances. Most importantly, Lew Alcindor was already there. In other words, Sam Gilbert didn't turn UCLA into a national power - they already were one. Did Sam Gilbert help sustain UCLA? Yes, he did. But once the Bruins had established themselves as the premier program, it was going to be that much easier to attract players legitimately and cleanly. But it is a shame that Wooden's legacy is tarnished somewhat by Sam Gilbert as he didn't need that man - he was already quite successful on his own.
UCLA players recalled his showing up after Bruins games in the 1960s, dispensing apples and oranges. He forged bonds with many Bruins who helped hang 10 national championship banners from 1964 to 1975, the year Wooden retired.
Refresh my memory, what year did UCLA start to go on that historic championship run? Oh yeah…1966. The same time Sam Gilbert showed up. Not a coincidence. 😆
@@brentwittman547 UCLA won championships in 1963-64 and 1964-65. Wooden had already established UCLA as the premier men's program before Gilbert got there. Sam Gilbert certainly helped - but he did not create the winning culture at UCLA. Warm weather; being in a media center; and playing for the premier men's program and coach helped keep UCLA at the top too.
There are many warm weather teams. They aren’t all successful. There are many cold weather teams that are successful. There’s no relation between weather and basketball success.
@@Zobin211 It's fairly well known that when Lew was a freshman, the Bruins were the defending national champs (and Lew led the freshman team to a victory over them, although they weren't the same squad having lost a couple of starters to graduation).
Bob Knight choked his own player, threw a chair across the gym floor during the game, berates sports writers live yet sits there telling us how bad John Wooden is. Sorry, Bob.
There are many facets to a man. Here Knight both respects Wooden as coach, and likes him personally, but doesn't respect his weakness in not handling Gilbert, implying recruiting violations and corruption. Which Wooden enables through being weak with Gilbert. Wooden is not a god, basically, and Knight on a peer level can say so with authority.
@@machtnichtsseimann Knight is too raw for most. A perfect man of course not but a developer of tough reliable men. A man who was probably meant to be a General but ended up a coach.
You mean by cheating. Wooden cheated. It's a fact. Wealthy businessman and UCLA booster Sam Gilbert openly flouted and broke NCAA rules acting at the behest of Wooden in the 60's and 70's and was the primary recruiter of talent for the team. In 1981 Wooden ADMITTED there were numerous violations (covered in ALL OF THE MAJOR PRESS PUBLICATIONS) and Gilbert provided cars, apartments, clothes, food and cash with Wooden's full knowledge. UCLA was forced by the NCAA to disassociate from Gilbert in 1981 AFTER 20 years of severe rule violations. Bobby Knight was right.
Damn it sucks to hear Bobby say that since I have the highest respect for both men. I guess it shouldn't be a shocker though, they weren't exactly cut from the same cloth but both were extremely successful and valuable lessons can be learned from both.
Wooden was phenomenal in devising offenses and defenses to take advantage of the players he had for each season ..., but he benefitted mightily from funding from alums who made sure recruits chose UCLA ..., much like NIL before NIL was authorized.
You can't stop someone from leaving. Bird's father committed suicide, he was home sick, didn't have any money and left after only 4 weeks on campus. Actually look up the reasons before spewing nonsense. Knight had nothing to do with the reasons for Bird's departure.
@@RabbiCashMoney correct and Larry wrote about it in his biography. He had no money and most of the other kids on campus had money. He was a fish out of water. He stated in his autobiography he had zero problems with Bobby Knight. He did mention that Kent Benson treated him like garbage.
Well you didn't know either man personally for one, and Knight's ex players and their parents have overwhelming positive feelings concerning Bob and Knight never cheated or paid players. By all accounts, wooden did while appearing saintly
Most of us never know the coaches we see on TV, you included and I totally agree with Mr. Barbutkis. Mr. Wooden would NEVER throw a chair or act like a total madman in a game.@@MrAitraining
@@tomjones2202 right. We dont know the men personally, yet you agree with a dumb general comment about someone being better than someone else in every way when we dont know that and then you use a chair throwing as your example. Look up fred Taylor. Knights ex coach who bob took care if financially when he was struggling while not telling anyone. Lots of other stories like that but you're a video clip casual who sheeps what media tells them.
I don't have to look up anything you moron. Bobby Knight was a raging maniac. Sorry that you don't like my opinion,, I don't yours,,, it's a free country MrAirhead.. lol@@MrAitraining
Im sure Wooden couldn't stand the horrendous ways Knight acted on and off the court! The worst thing about Knight was IU continually ignoring his disgusting behavior & finally firing him when he couldn't win anymore! Wooden was a great teacher and man who lived life the right way!
Lotsa hate for Knight here. I get that. But, it doesn't take away from the simple fact that John Wooden CHEATED his way to championships and they are all tainted.
Remember Coach Knight scolded the fans for throwing things on the floor during a game, but he got so mad during a game and throw his chair out onto the floor.
Bullshit Dakich said he only went to one class once a week. Michael Lewis said he went to a class 4 times in one months. Knight didn't like Wooden because Wooden said anyone could break the most wins if you coach l9ng enough.
Yes, Wooden was a gentleman, and yes, Knight was a bully. But the recruiting practices at UCLA in the late 60s and early/mid 70, if known at the time, would have resulted in an NCAA death penalty (similar to what happened to Penn State football in 2012). John Wooden had to have known--or at least suspected--what was going on, and he chose to do nothing to stop it.
Wooden's players would seek him out for the rest of his life, long after they had left UCLA (see Walton, Jabbar, etc). Knight's players couldn't wait to be rid of him. What does that say? F this guy.
What made John Wooden great is what tarnished Bobby Knight- class. And for Knight to throw shade on UCLA recruiting, don't we have to ask how many Wooden players turned out as low character people? I think that number is very low. They did show anger and rage like Knight. They didn't bully and scream like Knight. Don't throw shade on recruiting when UCLA athletes acted better in life than you did as an Indiana coach.
As long as Bobby is consistent with this view I can see his point I still don’t think the amateurism view is really don’t keeping college sports sacred though it’s just the veil they used to under pay the labor
Sour grapes. His team got beat by UCLA and Wooden. 88 game win streak is unbelievable. It will never be surpassed. I don't care what era of basketball, how many great players you have. It's mind boggling when you really think about it. The greatest recruiting tool was Lew Alcindor himself. When every high school All American basketball player heard he was on the Bruins team, everybody wanted to play there. That Bruin bench was loaded with All Americans! But the 88 game win streak was all on the Wizard of Westwood !
Of course, the Bruins 88 game winning streak was when Bill Walton was their center. I think UCLA had an unbeaten season with Lew also, but not every season (losing to Houston and Elvin Hayes when Lew had an eye injury, for example).
Coach Knight may have had his share of personality flaws, but at least his integrity could never be questioned. Look up how important a role he played in Landon Turner's recovery and life after the tragic accident that left him paralyzed. Coach Knight expected a hell of a lot from his players, both on and off the basketball court, but he also gave a hell of a lot of himself in return to his players. The fact that he had upwards of an 80% graduation rate with all but four of his four-year players graduating speaks volumes about the man. Again, he was never going to win any nice-guy awards. But, when all was said and done, does that really matter? None of this is meant as any disrespect to the immortal John Wooden, as he was an all-time great coach and motivator in his own right. However, facts are facts with regard to the involvement of Sam Gilbert in the UCLA program, like it or not.
Joe Buck seemed to not want much do with Knight’s lack of respect for Wooden. A gutsier interviewer would have pressed the topic and gotten maximum mileage out of Knight’s controversial view.
It was an open secret that Wooden was a cheater and had other do his dirty work for him. Pay players, pay their rent, buy them cars, do things for their families, etc.
@@827dusty No, it's the unvarnished truth. Wealthy businessman and UCLA booster Sam Gilbert openly flouted and broke NCAA rules acting at the behest of Wooden in the 60's and 70's and was the primary recruiter of talent for the team. In 1981 Wooden ADMITTED there were numerous violations (covered in ALL OF THE MAJOR PRESS PUBLICATIONS) and Gilbert provided cars, apartments, clothes, food and cash which Wooden was well aware of. UCLA was forced by the NCAA to disassociate from Gilbert in 1981 AFTER 20 years of severe rule violations. Bobby Knight was right.
@@DJL0455 NO USAFA for my undergrad in EE and U of Washington for the MSc in Physics and MBA in Finance/Statistics at the Foster School. Wooden was a cheater. Half-wit.
Knight never applied the strict rules to himself. He threw potted plant at his secretary berated players, coaches & officials. He hated Wooden bc he won more championships than him. He hated anyone that disagreed w/ him. He hated his own coach a ohio state bc he wasn’t a starter. One of the biggest jerks ever. But he was a great coach & that’s what u have to be to get away w/ his antics.
So UCLA took care of players, they should have. And every other school should have too. That's why it's so out of control with NIL. If the right thing was done years ago, it would be under control now.
Two things can be true at the same time. Knight was a butt, but Wooden and UCLA did pay players. This is how UCLA stayed loaded with talent for so long.
I don't remember John Wooden throwing a chair across the floor in the middle of a game because he didn't like a call. Wooden has 10 Nattys and Knight 3. I think Knight had to make everything about him.
I don't have respect for Knight. He led through fear and intimidation. That's one way to do things, but it sure as hell isn't the only way. I've always had issues with those who appeal to the WORST human instincts and traits, no matter what level of success they achieve.
Yes, Ucla did "cheat" as far as recruiting top talent throughout the U.S. and not just the talent filled SoCal area of the country. However, Wooden had to still coach and manage this diverse talent without compromise his standards and the Pac 8 Pac 10. While never losing the respect of his players. The same cannot be said for the latter (Knight). Knight will always be considered in my eyes a shadow of the coach and man that Wooden was. Wooden coached basketball players very well, but he taught young men real core values of life, the value of a formal education and humanity.
When Indiana fired Bob Knight, his players almost unanimously opposed the decision. One player even quit the team out of protest. Yes, there were some former players who didn't like Knight, but there were many more who loved him and appreciated how hard he pushed them to be their best. By the same token, John Wooden wasn't universally beloved by all his players. There were some who criticized him, fought with him, and even quit the team because they were unhappy with how it was run. Yes, there were also many who had great respect for him, but he wasn't a perfect man who always did everything right. This lazy narrative of Wooden = saint and Knight = POS is the kind of stuff that gets repeated by people who believe whatever they're told. The fact is, they were both great coaches who had vastly different personalities. Knight cared about his players getting an education and developing their character just as much as Wooden did. Unlike Wooden, though, there weren't any questionable recruiting practices going on in Knight's program. But hey. Wooden was a nice guy while Knight was blunt and abrasive, so that means Wooden was better. Right?
Bobby Knight was simply jealous of John Wooden’s success. Wooden was a gentleman and class act on and off the court. The same could not be said of Knight.
Irrelevant. The fact that Wooden presided over a program that was beyond crooked is a travesty. Ignorance is not an excuse. If that happened in today's world the coach would be skewered.
Exactly! Because Knight is an honest broker. Clearly Wooden, who Knight specifically said he liked and respected as a coach, is NOT an honest broker. Unless you question Knight's facts; Wooden looked the other way re recruitment. Knight's players not only were successful on the court, but became coaches, team presidents and NBA execs.
He was a cheater, though.
@@Donald-u6qThank you
@@Donald-u6qand don't forget coach Bill parcells coached with Coach Bobby Knight and Coach K is off of his tree
John Wooden never assaulted his players, berated them, or behaved like an out of control animal on the sidelines.
I’ll take John Wooden any day over this guy.
He just cheated by having a booster buy his players for him.
@ and that’s worse than what Knight did for 40 years?
@@TempeSoldier123 Knight made sure his players went to class, graduated, and played by the rules. He wasn't perfect, but if you're going to mention the ugly side, make sure and mention the clean side. 99% of his players stood by him until the end. Very few coaches had as much loyalty from their players as Knight.
@ so if a coach did all that, but periodically physically assaulted your child, you’d be ok with it?
Bobby Knight was a good man. Willing to help a foreign guy with giant glasses and zero skills with english language, who knocked on his door with a dictionary on his hand, asking for help to improve the level of basketball in his country.
Many years later, Bobby and this guy faced each other in the Olympic final in Los Ángeles 84. Antonio Díaz Miguel was the Spanish coach with his giant glasses, the mastermind who paved the way for Pau Gasol, Ricky Rubio, Jose Manuel Calderón, Jorge Garbajosa, Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernández, Sergio Llull...and the two world championships and four European Championships won by Spain in this century. And he always, always publicly thanked his American friends for the help they gave to him. Specially Bobby Knight.
John Wooden was an active duty Naval officer for 4 years during WW2. Bobby Knight liked to be called the General Because he coached the Army basketball team at West Point. When he finally had an opportunity to really represent his country, he embarrassed it by pulling the men's national team off the court over an argument with a ref. This was during a game against the Soviet Union. Knight was a blowhard and an egomaniac. Wooden was a gentleman.
Well he actually won gold as the mens basketball coach in the 84 Olympics.
Anybody could have won with that squad
Remember what the Olympic refs did to Hank Iba's team?
@SpiderK22 - With all due respect to John Wooden, Knight's point here is that Wooden was, to use your descriptive, too much of a gentleman. It's not a virtue, but a flaw. Wooden just didn't know how to handle Sam Gilbert? Well, Knight could have and would have. Which is a strength to be given its due. Just as you call out Knight's flaw, in your opinion, be consistent in calling out a flaw in Wooden as well. Otherwise, you are acting in bad faith here, which exposes your flaw as well in selectively judging only certain people.
@SpiderK22 Well said.
Would you rather be in LA or Indiana in January? Don’t underestimate that Los Angeles itself was among Wooden’s biggest recruiting gifts.
that and the sacks of cash getting handed out
That and all the boosters that continually threw money at players. How do you think Alcindor made the decision to travel across the country?
Indiana
Not one recruit gave a shit about the weather 💲💲💲
And I GURANTEE YOU deep down WOODEN ''HATED '' the way KNIGHT treated PLAYERS !
Not even deep down. Wooden was a completely different guy than Knight.
Not deep down. Knight was an egomaniac on a power trip.
How do you know?
@@johnperrigo6474How do you know?
I bet Coach Knight could spell "guarantee" correctly, though.
Great coach , but Wooden was a great coach AND a great person . There in lies the difference .
I call him "Bobby," and I am not asking for you to like it.
It's "Therein" not There in
Signed Sam gilbert.
If he cheated, then he wasn't a great person. Just another phony "Christian."
I don't mind saying I don't respect Bobby Knight.
I don't mind you saying it, either.
Knight disrespected his players the officials, fans, and everyone, so the only class he had was low class. He once attacked a fan in the elevator and should have been jailed
@@lestermount3287he got away with far too much.
Yeah but knight won without cheating.
I don't mind saying your breath smells like ass
Booby did not respect John Wooden, and I do not respect Bobby.
Fascinating
I can't respect someone who calls Coach Knight, "Booby."
@@danman6669 And I cannot respect any damn coach who throws a chair onto the court, I will call him "Bobby," all day long, and I am not asking you to like it.
@@garymorris1856 and you're not listening to his comments. he respected him as a coach, but Wooden let the system "break the rules" for the benefit of his team.
This man was always jealous of John Wooden.
Knight would have to stand on his father's shoulders to kiss Wooden's ass.
Well, you certainly don't need any help.
@@daveconleyportfolio5192 🤣
This coming from a man who threw chairs and roughed up his players. A bully.
You clearly do not know basketball. Knight had 4 "Mr. Basketballs" on that team and they were playing like girl scouts". He threw the chair to finally wake them up to reality. He was sick and tired of it. Get your asses in gear ! And it worked. Then kids that make Indiana teams are bulldogs. They are no cream puffs. Cream puffs play for second class teams. They are rough and tough kids with a ton of upper body strength. To shake a kid of that caliber is about like playing touch football. You deal with them in the manner they play. That is the language a top player of that caliber understands. To make the starting 5 on any Indiana high school team you have to be a rough dude. But for being that way, you get a full ride through college. Those are the guys top colleges want to recruit. It was well known that the I.U. President wanted Knight out because he was getting all the attention. This guy did not like that and virtually everyone knew it. Because of that and the Knight firing the medical community stopped donating to the school and that President had to go. Doctors in Indiana have nothing in their lives except I.U. basketball. Most of them graduated from the I.U. medical school. So if they like what they see they shell out big.
@@mesillahillsBobby choked his player. End of story. Trash.
@@williamcowell1889 Was there any legal action based on severity ? Go to any top-end high-school game in Indiana and you are going to see a brawl. A little shake is like a hand- message to a kid like that. Know the game..... Your opinion..... Trash.
@@mesillahills Bobby was bad enough that Larry Bird didn’t even want to play for him. That says a lot.
@@mesillahills also as a coach you never lay hands on a player.
Bob Knight is small beer. He isn’t in Wooden’s league, let alone class. Wooden’s career record is virtually unequaled in college basketball and it can safely be said no one will ever again coach a team to seven consecutive NCAA titles. First thing I remember about Knight is his chair throwing antics. On the other hand, I met Wooden once, giving a speech, gratis, at a YMCA I worked for, and he was every inch a gentleman.
There was a documentary about the recruiting at UCLA that made strong suggestions that "things were done".
there is NO "suggestion" - Sam Gilbert lived next door to me-trust me, he broke the rules. wooden was a great coach, but i his own way as flawed as Knight. woodmen's string of titles has to have an asterisk after it. The hypocrisy was avbsultuely stunning though-suc h denial. but neither were better coaches than Tony Bennett, Jay wright, or even Coach K .
@@johnwhite2576 *Wooden, not Woodmen
*absolutely, not avbsultuely
what documentary?
@@johnnyretro84 years ago.....netflix maybe? Some Greek restaurateur was slipping UCLA players $$$ during the Wooden years.....as I remember the documentary "suggested"
You do know all the big schools were slipping cash. The only difference is UCLA had more money to spend
Literally talking to 97 yr old man the other day. Was on Woodens frosh team in 1948. "What was Wooden like as a man." "A G-d." This is a 97 yr old man not given to hyperbole, exaggeration, or even unwarranted praise."
John Wooden is 100x the man that Bobby Knight was.
Wooden was a known cheater.
@@Slowhand871 Wooden cheated and paid athletes through their alumni. Get the memo.
Rabbicashmoney.
I don’t care.
And you don’t care that Bobby hated himself and took it out on the kids.
@@yaakw Knight never cheated. Wooden continuously cheated by using the boosters to pay athletes. Wooden = cheater.
I suggest a movie called "Blue Chips"; a movie about college recruitment corruption and payoffs. Cameos by virtually every prominent college coach. Starred Nick Nolte as the only clean recruiter- clearly based on Bobby Knight.
Unfortunately, we will never know how many players would not have gone to UCLA without Sam Gilbert's money. Which the NCAA said UCLA was guilty and they still didn't do anything about it.
Almost NIL before NIL. It was still breaking NCAA rules.
The NCAA "said UCLA was guilty and they still didn't do anything about it." ---That is complete BULLSH-T.
UCLA was never placed on probation until after Wooden retired. Cheated for years prior!
Didn’t throw enough hissy fits? Maybe left too many of his players with their dignity intact?
I never had any respect for this Dude…Wooden is way out of this schmuck’s league…Respect…
Nah. Wooden was hughly overrated. He ran a dirty program. 🤷♂️
@ Based on your subscriptions, you may want to try moving out of your parents basement…experience the real world…Respect…
@CoronaMechanics88 lol, own my own house, car and have over half million in the credit union and million plus in investments tiaa-cref, charles schwab. I'm doing better than you 😄
@ It’s good that you think that…Respect…
Knight couldn't carry Wooden's jock strap. Wooden was even an All American basketball player from Indiana and went to Purdue. I believe that made Knight even more jealous.
How about listening to the reasons Knight gives instead of saying stupid shit?
Wooden was a known cheater and openly violated NCAA rules and regs on recruiting and keeping athletes.
@@joksal9108 Agreed.
@@joksal9108 Knight telling the truth.
What a narricistic
What about choking players?
It sounds like jealousy to me. Wooden had better resources to coach his team because he coached on a rich campus. That is not his fault.
Bobby Knight had a brilliant basketball mind and I loved him as a commentator, but he was a straight-up psycho.
Bobby was a legend in his own mind.
Three National Championships, a Gold Medal, 900+ wins, and the last undefeated season...pretty sure he's a legend in anyone's mind who knows the game.
@edgardeese now tell me what John Wooden did you know the guy Bobby doesnt respect as a coach.
@@scotthopkins4031He cheated. That's what he did.
@ everybody knows that. That wasn't the issue. This issue is your stupid statement about him being a legend in his own mind.
@@edgardeese bobby was an ass who liked to try and play tough guy with college kids. He should have been fired decades ago and faced assault charges. If you cant handle those simple facts or if you get butt hurt over hearing the GFYS
Coach Knight had a weekly radio show here in Dallas (because of Texas Tech) Let me just say that man is interesting and completely insane. He lives in his own world and by his own rules. He’s so self-absorbed he can’t see his hypocrisy. He also may have had a drink or two every now and then…… or he’s got a borderline personality.
Interesting and completely insane pretty well sums it up.
Bobby Knight is not in the same league as John Wooden.
But Knight did not cheat!
John Wooden was class...Bobby Knight was an ass.
I don’t respect Bobby Knight Was it within the rules to throw those chairs and embarrass America?
For reference, Sam Gilbert got involved with UCLA around 1966. By that time John Wooden had been there for close to 20 years and had already won two national championships and had multiple NCAA appearances. Most importantly, Lew Alcindor was already there. In other words, Sam Gilbert didn't turn UCLA into a national power - they already were one.
Did Sam Gilbert help sustain UCLA? Yes, he did. But once the Bruins had established themselves as the premier program, it was going to be that much easier to attract players legitimately and cleanly.
But it is a shame that Wooden's legacy is tarnished somewhat by Sam Gilbert as he didn't need that man - he was already quite successful on his own.
UCLA players recalled his showing up after Bruins games in the 1960s, dispensing apples and oranges.
He forged bonds with many Bruins who helped hang 10 national championship banners from 1964 to 1975, the year Wooden retired.
Refresh my memory, what year did UCLA start to go on that historic championship run? Oh yeah…1966. The same time Sam Gilbert showed up. Not a coincidence. 😆
@@brentwittman547 UCLA won championships in 1963-64 and 1964-65. Wooden had already established UCLA as the premier men's program before Gilbert got there.
Sam Gilbert certainly helped - but he did not create the winning culture at UCLA.
Warm weather; being in a media center; and playing for the premier men's program and coach helped keep UCLA at the top too.
There are many warm weather teams. They aren’t all successful. There are many cold weather teams that are successful. There’s no relation between weather and basketball success.
@@Zobin211 It's fairly well known that when Lew was a freshman, the Bruins were the defending national champs (and Lew led the freshman team to a victory over them, although they weren't the same squad having lost a couple of starters to graduation).
Bob Knight choked his own player, threw a chair across the gym floor during the game, berates sports writers live yet sits there telling us how bad John Wooden is. Sorry, Bob.
One passively cheated and the other was a toxic narcissist.
They are both great in their own right
Why do these "tough" guys always play victim.
UCLA still would have recruited extremely well. Especially during the Wooden years
I agree. I think Walton and Alcindor (Jabbar) really wanted to be at UCLA, regardless. They needed no enticements.
He’s entitled to his opinion. Knight knows way more inside info than others. He doesn’t speak ill of Wooden, he speaks ill of the program
There are many facets to a man. Here Knight both respects Wooden as coach, and likes him personally, but doesn't respect his weakness in not handling Gilbert, implying recruiting violations and corruption. Which Wooden enables through being weak with Gilbert. Wooden is not a god, basically, and Knight on a peer level can say so with authority.
@@machtnichtsseimann Knight is too raw for most. A perfect man of course not but a developer of tough reliable men. A man who was probably meant to be a General but ended up a coach.
He is talking about wooden paying players but acting like he did not.
I don't mind saying that Bobby Knight was a horse's ass.
Im sure Wooden didnt mind at all that Knight felt that way. Knight was a douchebag.
Cause he kicked your ass for years.
This is a crazy interview. knight v Wooden....who versus Wooden.
Knight could’ve learned so much from John Wooden, but too proud to admit it!
How to cheat? Have a fixer get abortions for players’ girlfriends, cars, etc? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Gilbert_(businessman)
You mean by cheating. Wooden cheated. It's a fact. Wealthy businessman and UCLA booster Sam Gilbert openly flouted and broke NCAA rules acting at the behest of Wooden in the 60's and 70's and was the primary recruiter of talent for the team. In 1981 Wooden ADMITTED there were numerous violations (covered in ALL OF THE MAJOR PRESS PUBLICATIONS) and Gilbert provided cars, apartments, clothes, food and cash with Wooden's full knowledge. UCLA was forced by the NCAA to disassociate from Gilbert in 1981 AFTER 20 years of severe rule violations. Bobby Knight was right.
Knight had shit in his heart.
There seem to be a lot of people willing to ignore cheating
Damn it sucks to hear Bobby say that since I have the highest respect for both men. I guess it shouldn't be a shocker though, they weren't exactly cut from the same cloth but both were extremely successful and valuable lessons can be learned from both.
Wooden was phenomenal in devising offenses and defenses to take advantage of the players he had for each season ..., but he benefitted mightily from funding from alums who made sure recruits chose UCLA ..., much like NIL before NIL was authorized.
Never could understand how or why he let Larry Bird leave Indiana. Knight was abusive to his players
You can't stop someone from leaving. Bird's father committed suicide, he was home sick, didn't have any money and left after only 4 weeks on campus. Actually look up the reasons before spewing nonsense. Knight had nothing to do with the reasons for Bird's departure.
@@RabbiCashMoney correct and Larry wrote about it in his biography. He had no money and most of the other kids on campus had money. He was a fish out of water. He stated in his autobiography he had zero problems with Bobby Knight. He did mention that Kent Benson treated him like garbage.
@@Ryan2022 Love how Bird would get his revenge against Benson in the NBA.
@@M_Lev___ yeah I think Benson fouled out or got thrown out when McHale put 56 on him
Bird at IU. If you’re bk you make damn sure that bird is taken care of. That he didn’t is definitely a failure on his behalf
Hate to tell you Mr Knight, but John Wooden was a far greater man than you in almost every way imaginable.
Well you didn't know either man personally for one, and Knight's ex players and their parents have overwhelming positive feelings concerning Bob and Knight never cheated or paid players. By all accounts, wooden did while appearing saintly
Most of us never know the coaches we see on TV, you included and I totally agree with Mr. Barbutkis. Mr. Wooden would NEVER throw a chair or act like a total madman in a game.@@MrAitraining
@@tomjones2202 right. We dont know the men personally, yet you agree with a dumb general comment about someone being better than someone else in every way when we dont know that and then you use a chair throwing as your example. Look up fred Taylor. Knights ex coach who bob took care if financially when he was struggling while not telling anyone. Lots of other stories like that but you're a video clip casual who sheeps what media tells them.
I don't have to look up anything you moron. Bobby Knight was a raging maniac. Sorry that you don't like my opinion,, I don't yours,,, it's a free country MrAirhead.. lol@@MrAitraining
Except integrity in his profession.
Im sure Wooden couldn't stand the horrendous ways Knight acted on and off the court!
The worst thing about Knight was IU continually ignoring his disgusting behavior & finally firing him when he couldn't win anymore!
Wooden was a great teacher and man who lived life the right way!
Lotsa hate for Knight here. I get that. But, it doesn't take away from the simple fact that John Wooden CHEATED his way to championships and they are all tainted.
Remember Coach Knight scolded the fans for throwing things on the floor during a game, but he got so mad during a game and throw his chair out onto the floor.
Envy is a hell of a drug.
Bullshit Dakich said he only went to one class once a week. Michael Lewis said he went to a class 4 times in one months. Knight didn't like Wooden because Wooden said anyone could break the most wins if you coach l9ng enough.
Yes, Wooden was a gentleman, and yes, Knight was a bully. But the recruiting practices at UCLA in the late 60s and early/mid 70, if known at the time, would have resulted in an NCAA death penalty (similar to what happened to Penn State football in 2012). John Wooden had to have known--or at least suspected--what was going on, and he chose to do nothing to stop it.
Proof that when you over-abundantly pat yourself on the back, you dissuade others from joining in to help.
Rules and going to class are a big deal. But being a bully isn’t, apparently.
Wooden's players would seek him out for the rest of his life, long after they had left UCLA (see Walton, Jabbar, etc). Knight's players couldn't wait to be rid of him. What does that say? F this guy.
Bobby Knight was one the the greatest of all time
I wonder how he felt about the NLI deals 😂😂😂😂
Bobby was going to be the coach at Wisconsin.
Great coach, poor human being!
What made John Wooden great is what tarnished Bobby Knight- class. And for Knight to throw shade on UCLA recruiting, don't we have to ask how many Wooden players turned out as low character people? I think that number is very low. They did show anger and rage like Knight. They didn't bully and scream like Knight. Don't throw shade on recruiting when UCLA athletes acted better in life than you did as an Indiana coach.
As long as Bobby is consistent with this view I can see his point I still don’t think the amateurism view is really don’t keeping college sports sacred though it’s just the veil they used to under pay the labor
Pretty sure Wooden win a respect contest against this guy.
Sour grapes. His team got beat by UCLA and Wooden. 88 game win streak is unbelievable. It will never be surpassed. I don't care what era of basketball, how many great players you have. It's mind boggling when you really think about it. The greatest recruiting tool was Lew Alcindor himself. When every high school All American basketball player heard he was on the Bruins team, everybody wanted to play there. That Bruin bench was loaded with All Americans! But the 88 game win streak was all on the Wizard of Westwood !
Of course, the Bruins 88 game winning streak was when Bill Walton was their center.
I think UCLA had an unbeaten season with Lew also, but not every season (losing to Houston and Elvin Hayes when Lew had an eye injury, for example).
You knew what you were getting with Knight. Wooden was portrayed as a saint. The true story wasn’t nearly as clear. Willful ignorance is still wrong.
Coach Knight may have had his share of personality flaws, but at least his integrity could never be questioned. Look up how important a role he played in Landon Turner's recovery and life after the tragic accident that left him paralyzed. Coach Knight expected a hell of a lot from his players, both on and off the basketball court, but he also gave a hell of a lot of himself in return to his players. The fact that he had upwards of an 80% graduation rate with all but four of his four-year players graduating speaks volumes about the man. Again, he was never going to win any nice-guy awards. But, when all was said and done, does that really matter? None of this is meant as any disrespect to the immortal John Wooden, as he was an all-time great coach and motivator in his own right. However, facts are facts with regard to the involvement of Sam Gilbert in the UCLA program, like it or not.
I NEVER respected bobby knight. He was a tool of the worst kind.
Bobby Knight was classless by his attitude and actions
Johnny Wooden was a Godly great man and coach who was respected by all !
Joe Buck seemed to not want much do with Knight’s lack of respect for Wooden. A gutsier interviewer would have pressed the topic and gotten maximum mileage out of Knight’s controversial view.
Knight was the last coach to an undefeated team.
Man that all in the game and still gone on to day
It was an open secret that Wooden was a cheater and had other do his dirty work for him. Pay players, pay their rent, buy them cars, do things for their families, etc.
You are crazy. Everyone that knew John Wooden touted his integrity as a man and as a Christian.
@@827dusty No, it's the unvarnished truth. Wealthy businessman and UCLA booster Sam Gilbert openly flouted and broke NCAA rules acting at the behest of Wooden in the 60's and 70's and was the primary recruiter of talent for the team. In 1981 Wooden ADMITTED there were numerous violations (covered in ALL OF THE MAJOR PRESS PUBLICATIONS) and Gilbert provided cars, apartments, clothes, food and cash which Wooden was well aware of. UCLA was forced by the NCAA to disassociate from Gilbert in 1981 AFTER 20 years of severe rule violations. Bobby Knight was right.
So did Iowa. They all did...sec is pay to play
You must have gone to Southern Cal. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@DJL0455 NO USAFA for my undergrad in EE and U of Washington for the MSc in Physics and MBA in Finance/Statistics at the Foster School. Wooden was a cheater. Half-wit.
The classless Bobby knight complaining about the classy John wooden - give me a break - knight was just a turd
So he doesn’t respect wooden but I guess. We Should respect guy who grabs someone by the throat 😮what a joke
I used to hate him. After hearing about UCLA dirty recruiting I kind of like him. I sure hope he wasn't doing the same. Then I would really hate him!
I sense a bit of jealousy, and lack of dignity
Knight never applied the strict rules to himself. He threw potted plant at his secretary berated players, coaches & officials. He hated Wooden bc he won more championships than him. He hated anyone that disagreed w/ him. He hated his own coach a ohio state bc he wasn’t a starter. One of the biggest jerks ever. But he was a great coach & that’s what u have to be to get away w/ his antics.
You spoke well no other way to put it I see didn't buy into his BS.
Some people remain ignorant their entire lives
Bobby Knight and his bullying chased off Larry Bird--nobody ever called Bird a quitter or a coward
UCLA was ahead of their time with NIL.
He’s in the HOF as a player & coach!……..something bobby knight can’t say!
Wait, Bobby Knight died a a year ago. He's old news.
Coach Wooden will be remembered for having more influence on the game than Bobby Knight.
Knight, almost a bizarre mixture of admirable and reprehensible qualities
😂😂 NIL. Now It's Legal. Who cares. They were still underpaid.
Bottom line is Wooden cheated but was treated differently
Bobby Knight talking about respecting someone? His name should not even come up when talking about Coach Wooden.
Bobby Knight had Larry Bird. Knight ran off Larry his freshman year.
Incorrect.
So UCLA took care of players, they should have. And every other school should have too. That's why it's so out of control with NIL. If the right thing was done years ago, it would be under control now.
When you think of the scummy things we know knight has done for him to run his big mouth against wooden is a joke. Jealous fool.
Two things can be true at the same time. Knight was a butt, but Wooden and UCLA did pay players. This is how UCLA stayed loaded with talent for so long.
I don't remember John Wooden throwing a chair across the floor in the middle of a game because he didn't like a call. Wooden has 10 Nattys and Knight 3. I think Knight had to make everything about him.
Ucla had a crooked program
Google the name Sam Gilbert!
John Wooden is a Purdue Boilermaker May He R.I.P.
Wooden paid players but acted like he did not. Knight talks about this in another interview.
A total grump
Coach Knight > Coach Wooden
I don't have respect for Knight. He led through fear and intimidation. That's one way to do things, but it sure as hell isn't the only way. I've always had issues with those who appeal to the WORST human instincts and traits, no matter what level of success they achieve.
Yes, Ucla did "cheat" as far as recruiting top talent throughout the U.S. and not just the talent filled SoCal area of the country.
However, Wooden had to still coach and manage this diverse talent without compromise his standards and the Pac 8 Pac 10.
While never losing the respect of his players.
The same cannot be said for the latter (Knight).
Knight will always be considered in my eyes a shadow of the coach and man that Wooden was.
Wooden coached basketball players very well, but he taught young men real core values of life, the value of a formal education and humanity.
So you’re justifying cheating?
Nah.
Just saying Wooden is a nice, kindhearted cheater.
While Bobbi Knight merely cheated them boys out of the four most prime years of their lives.
Wooden didn’t win until Gilbert started paying players
When Indiana fired Bob Knight, his players almost unanimously opposed the decision. One player even quit the team out of protest. Yes, there were some former players who didn't like Knight, but there were many more who loved him and appreciated how hard he pushed them to be their best.
By the same token, John Wooden wasn't universally beloved by all his players. There were some who criticized him, fought with him, and even quit the team because they were unhappy with how it was run. Yes, there were also many who had great respect for him, but he wasn't a perfect man who always did everything right.
This lazy narrative of Wooden = saint and Knight = POS is the kind of stuff that gets repeated by people who believe whatever they're told. The fact is, they were both great coaches who had vastly different personalities. Knight cared about his players getting an education and developing their character just as much as Wooden did. Unlike Wooden, though, there weren't any questionable recruiting practices going on in Knight's program. But hey. Wooden was a nice guy while Knight was blunt and abrasive, so that means Wooden was better. Right?
@@ianwallace3082More likeable to be sure... And that counts and goes a long way towards success!
Indiana traded there Soul when they signed Bob Knight.
Wooden was and remains The GOAT so it sounds a bit envious
IU players got money too! Knock it off
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