Why Brexit happened -- and what to do next | Alexander Betts
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- Опубликовано: 11 авг 2016
- We are embarrassingly unaware of how divided our societies are, and Brexit grew out of a deep, unexamined divide between those that fear globalization and those that embrace it, says social scientist Alexander Betts. How do we now address that fear as well as growing disillusionment with the political establishment, while refusing to give in to xenophobia and nationalism? Join Betts as he discusses four post-Brexit steps toward a more inclusive world.
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He lost me at: "Those who embrace globalization, and those who fear it".
Why would anyone embrace the destruction of everything you get pride from in your own country? It's perfectly rational to fear your own collapse when you can see it happening.
"destruction of everything you get pride in your own country"... are you afraid that your world is going to change? That your culture is going to change? That the things that you recognize as part of your country, and part of yourself by extension, aren't going to be the same if people of different cultures and ways of life mingle with "your" people? Well, I'm sorry to break this to you, but they *are*, even if they don't come to where you live. All that we have here is temporary, in fifty years your customs are already going to be different than now, in a thousand your country might not even exist at all (and I don't even know what your country is), and if it does it will hardly be recognizable. The way your country is right now comes from several cultures and peoples, changing who they thought they were with times. Heck, one day the earth will stop existing, and borders will be way less important then, and when there is no more humanity it won't matter that some remained "more" this group of human than the other for more time. What is there to fear then?
Edit your name Man, I was just commenting that fearing that your culture will change doesn't make sense. I, personally, don't like the whole "pride in thy country" thing, and I feel that it makes people overzealous about what should be their country and what shouldn't. But about the debate let's just agree to disagree right now because I can't have and argument right now.
+Vitor Gullo of course cultures change over time but not quickly enough to notice in the space of a decade or so like it is in Britain. You may not understand why people are proud of where they come from but I assure you it is normal for English people to feel this way and it is a deep feeling. So much good has come from England that the rest of the world takes for granted now. England created the environment and has the right people where these good things could be developed. Why would you want to change that? Surely it is plain to see some countries are run better than others. There's nothing wrong with being proud of how you do things when you do them well.
same here. I was looking for an objective opinion.
You call it xenophobia, I call this unwillingness to integrate into a society. if the immigration-rate is too high, larger groups of immigrants live together and form groups that just bond with similar people thus they don't integrate. integration and therefore assimilation of immigrants is necessary for a society to function.
In my city (Valencia, Spain) integration has been done properly and there're no problems at all, but when you have racist politicians that won't do anything then it doesn't work.
+Joan Marco You're right. Our adult generations in the EU can already see that everything is being destroyed by people whom cannot integrate. There's still a minority that DO integrate correctly and follow our society yet they are also thrown into the bunch that aren't assimilating. It's hard to make a choice.
that makes _no_ sense
You know what causes emigrants to bond together? People like you, that reject them and alienate them.
***** Wow, A leaver using two homophobic slurs in a row? surprising.
If someone migrates to a country, any country, gets a job s/he deserve the same from the country as you do. And guess what: All of those immigrants, the refugees or the economic immigrants, just want to get a job. All of them.
And yes, Scotland is planning a second referendum after the results if Britain enacts article 50, as the results in the country are remain in every district. The same with Ireland. Scotland was extremely close to leave, if a second referendum rises they will almost certainly leave, and Ireland after it.
"I am British"
some guy in the back: "sorry!"
yeah
The real reason Brexit happened is simple. People do not fear globalization. They just don't want to give up the principle of self-determination. They do not want others to determine how they must live their life. In other words, globalization is "one size fits all" mentality. But we know from life experience that one size fits none!
So instead of their fate being determined by rich old dudes who at least can work together and have a bigger bargaining power, they put their fate in the hands of rich old dudes who do not have that? Sounds like a real masterplan lmao
Yeah. Because follow British politics is so much more freedom than sometimes following European Union politicians too. such a huge difference /s
I mean technically the EU couldn’t force us to do anything anyways, I don’t understand your point
A social scientist who didn't see Brexit coming-yes let's accept his political opinion.
haha, maybe needs a P45.
Oh my god someone didnt see something coming and admits it. The odds of brexit on the day of voting were 10/1. Barely anyone saw it coming. Get down from your high horse.
Where do you get these odds from?!? You are uninformed just like
ignorant people in the US who thought trump had no chance based on bogus 'polls'. This means that you get your news from a source that uses phone polling that has been shown to be inaccurate since the early nineteen hundreds. If this 'social scientist' is getting his odds from the same source that you are, then obviously you are both unreliable sources based on the actual numbers. A social scientist should have much higher standards for forming opinions of social movements. If over half of the nation voted for Brexit then the odds were obviously much higher than 10 to 1 against. You obviously don't understand probabilities and my argument still stands, in fact you just made it more concrete. Get an education, reported odds aren't real odds go learn probabilities. Aside from that, real odds generally would not be presented as 10/1 they would be 9/1.
when did TED turn into a political propaganda outlet?
When you started believing in NWO conspiracy theories.
Remember when they took down Graham Hancock's speech about "The War on Consciousness"? My guess is around that time....
Disgusting. I used to enjoy the scientific speeches on TED. Now it is just a stage version of TYT.
I don't see political propaganda in this video? It's biased towards globalization, but that's because academics are usually biased that way, and TED is run by academics.
This speech was mostly about "We live in an academic ivory tower, and our high browed bullshit put us out of touch with others and prevented us from presenting our arguments properly. We need to fix that."
james jones
Of course, the fact that they believe the problem was the "way" they presented their arguments is part of what makes them out of touch.
The Society is divided because of a lack of respect by the losers of a legitimate democratic vote
I can't believe how many people havre decided that the democratic vote should be ignored and a new vote conducted so they get he result they want. Not only that, but their opinion was supported int he media and amongst politicians. Is this the beginning of the end of democracy in the UK?amongs
@Dr Wolfgang Chausser your comment makes no sense. What do you mean, in proper English...
You're forgetting the input of Cambridge Analytica
I would love to hear this man's take on the 2020 US Presidential election
"And I have "still never spent more than 4 days of my life in the north of England. He states that we in these leave areas don't have many immigrants, like London does. You need to visit Stoke on trent , Yorkshire ,Bradford Leeds etc etc.... just incorrect, on many levels
And what was that he was saying about misinformation needing to not be as solid as facts?
@@truckerfromreno And what was that he was saying about misinformation needing to not be as solid as facts?
@@harvey7088 Touché
Bionic Ironic Brexit has done nothing to discourage illegal immigrants... but it did totally and completely put us Europeans in the UK in disarray, it disrupted my cancer research in the north east and now I'll complete it away from the UK...
@@Elghast Well you and my own brother ,who lives in Spain can thank the remainer MP's and the EU MEP's for trying to thwart brexit at every turn. Or it would be done and dusted by now. As regards illegals, brexit hasn't happened yet. In fact more are trying to enter , because they know once we have left it will be more difficult. Its obvious there will be some disruption, but its the price we have to pay to get our country back. If your country had a democratic referendum, I would respect your decision. I hope you respect ours
If you want to know why Brexit happened you should simply ask those people who voted to leave why they did so. I've talked to many myself and it wasn't fear of globalization - it was fear of the loss of democracy by an overreaching of a non representative body. Someone they didn't vote for was talking about building an EU Army, etc.
People I talked to were simply afraid of power grabs by those the people are not directly able to elect in to or out of office.
That's exactly what he's saying in the video. What is it with you morons and writing comments without watching the video?
Just finished watching the video. No address of the concerns mentioned by the poster above.
+Ljón Your definition and standard of 'idiocy' is quite different than those of us with an ability of cognitive thought.
He addresses the issue of 'sovereignty' at 4:10
Not that it matters anyway because if we do leave the EU we will most likely still have to follow many of their laws in order to keep trading
My god this comment section is atrocious.
Why is it you say that?
What did you expect? He has a nuanced opinion, so naturally, both camps will go apeshit. If there's one thing the internet hates, it's people who don't belong firmly in one camp.
Yeah, perhaps I should have realized that respectful discussion of two opposing ideas doesn't really happen on the internet, let alone youtube comments.
+SwordsDanceQwilfish congratulations, you are officially part of the problem
@Clifton Carlson, the speaker dismisses all opposition as uneducated peasants and you are saying that we are the ones who don't like "respectful discussion". Are you really so blind?
"You patronizing stuck up snub"
Tshaw Tshi couldn’t agree with you more mate. We’ve won tho. Back borris
The problem is that we are NOT one nation, there is London and the home counties and the rest of UK. London is wealthy, has the centre of government and receives a higher rate of infrastructure investment. Away from this area we feel left out and we ARE.
@Frank Garrett Perhaps they just have more sense than the English? The disaffection in the North remains real, however, and was a huge contributor to the Leave vote.
As an evil racist old Leave Voter (30's with immigrant wife) who lives in a "multicultural" area, I actually think Alex hits quite a lot of key points. However, my choice to vote leave, was actually a principal regarding sovereignty and democracy. Immigration had absolutely nothing to do with my vote. However he does seem to come from a stance of "in my bubble, this is great, we need to convince people outside my bubble that it is great".
I am yet to find a single compelling argument that the EU is more democratic than the UK or that it doesn't take away power from the institution I can vote for.
I've heard a lot of "spin" twisting the EU to sound more democratic. But "layman" terms always suggest otherwise.
he missed completely the meaning of the Brexit vote. He needs to spent a few more days in the red (voting) districts.
To quote a guy:
"Brussels does not have total control over UK law. EU law takes priority over UK law in those areas freely delegated to it by our elected parliament. Those areas are: trade policy, rules & standards for the EU single market, rules on competition and state aid, intra-EU migration and fisheries. Basically all the things that are required to make the Single Market work properly.
There are other areas where responsibility is shared equally between the EU and the UK, and the EU does not have “total control”.
But by far the largest number of policy areas are 100% the responsibility of the UK: health policy, education, fiscal policy and public expenditure, monetary policy, income tax, corporation tax, capital gains tax, non-EU migration, border control and security, pensions, welfare, foreign policy decisions, defence, intelligence, development cooperation and humanitarian aid, national policing, criminal justice and media regulation. Nothing whatsoever to do with the EU."
And anyway GB had a large share of voters in the European parliament. Basically, the "sovereignty" question was demagogy. The party got the occasion to win political support over a point in their agenda that they formulated all the way back in '93 (when maybe leaving Europe made more sense, even if it was not feasible) and never let go of, and then used the population's anger and 'perceived lack of control', as Alexander Betts says, as leverage to persuade them it was all the fault of Big Bad EU.
Of course it's absurd to expect the population to know these facts, that's not their job. What should be, instead, is that politicians be legally accountable for the truthfulness and completeness of what they say.
Batrax you know damn well the european parliament acts as the resonance chamber of an UNELECTED commission. The commission role inflated beyond control. The parliament plays small parts.
So basically you're telling me you can live with an half-assed democracy.
Mondiani Joli Aside from the fact that "oversimplification" would be an euphemism here, the European Union _still_ only deliberates on matters of Union economy and borders.
Michael brought forth the point that the problem with the EU was sovereignty, and that's ludicrous. It's like saying that the state has you slave because you delegated to it some control over you.
Only not even that, because the powers UK delegated to the EU are much more narrow.
The fact is, the (favorable) ratio between the _advantages_ of being part of the EU and the _sovereignty_ surrendered to it is the reason why UK joined the EU in the first place.
Interestingly, the European Commissioners may be UNELECTED, but there's a severe screening for each candidate, which is nominated by their own Member State, so it basically means each State chooses its own candidates.
This means that while it's not the people who elects the Commissioners, they don't come out of thin air and _do_ represent the interests of the Member States.
Now if that means that the Commission caters more to the interest of the state than that of the citizens, that's a problem of elected parties nominating the wrong people, not of belonging to the EU, and in fact would't (isn't) solved by leaving.
Batrax your democratic standards are not even low they are inexistant. (sortition, single mandate, ... )
Funny thing that impoverished people, who are out of the economic centers of the UK voted leave then? Unrelated to the EU?
The people who suffer from globalization rejected it. You can paint them racist it does not change that fact.
As for being outside of the union: iceland, norway, switzerland ...
Why so biased, for once be impartial and acknowledge brexit and the reasons for it are actually valid and that hey it's not actually a disaster, because you make it sound like a disaster.
I take it you are also ok with Scottish independence then, after all there are valid reasons.
You obviously didn't watch the video.
I'm ok with both.
The guy admitted to not knowing what the majority of british people believe is right 5:27.... and instead of listening to them, he's decided they're just ignorant and need to be taught whats correct. Its an all time low for Ted.
Everyone is biased. Every single one. Especially you.
“ There are vast swaths of the population that we don’t understand therefore we should work on manipulating them instead of questioning if we are fundamentally wrong.” -This Guy
Yes! He doesn't understand some Brits. So they must be ignorant. Desperate for him to shine his light on them!
@@Surv1ve_Thrivewhat is there to udneatnd? They are getting poorer and don’t know how to help themselves. So they lash out and grasp to any politician promising them money and jobs and to kick out the dirty foreigners who don’t even deserve a job or to live near us and take away our money. We’d kick out British people too if we could, to make our lot better. The only justification for brexit was fear of your livelihood getting worse. And then they went right back and voted for brexit (which also made it much worse) so how are you not in the wrong ? Is the fact your feelings and fears are really strong a justification? What is there to understand? That you are suffering? That you are worried and desperate for change?
Such confidence in his position. No potential that other peoples opinions might be correct. That is how to polarize.
Get a limited demographic crowd too, then you’ll really see that echo chamber in full effect ;-)
I'm not sure how saying you've only spent four days in your life in leave areas can reassure people that you understand what's going on socially and politically in those areas. Surely the best thing for you to do would be to spend time in those areas talking to people to find out their actual thoughts and why they voted that way instead of making assumptions based on the demographics they fall into. I'm an educated centre-left young guy who grew up with the internet and I live in Edinburgh working as a developer within the financial sector and I voted to leave - do you have any idea why? Or am I just an anomaly not worthy studying, even if it could broaden your insight?
He has no clue how people feel.
same here mate
I think his point was more along the lines of he didn't know how those who lived in those areas felt as he came to the stark realisation that the way in which they are brought up may impact their views differently to his. which then lead into the discussion of new ways to communicate ideas and ideals to the whole of the UK
James Pullunski
But he thinks we don't understand what we want, this guy has drank the 'Kool Aid' and wants everyone to drink it.
Care to explain why you voted leave? Not for the sake of argument, I'm genuinely curious. I'd like to understand both sides and, as you put it, "broaden my insight." Most of the comments on this video are simply calling this guy arrogant and not actually telling us why they voted to leave.
Brace yourself for the comments
Yeah it's going to be heated.
Please read some of the comments - perhaps you will learn something instead of keeping yourself brainwashed and thinking that it's all about RACISM!!
***** bc you prefer to believe BS race baiting :) not good enough reason, sorry ;)
Im certain that the whole shebang was a ploy.Article 50 will not be evoked, and the citizenship will treat the government as heroes for not doing so. This will carry through and will.eliminate much of the growig discontent, which has been building up in Europe, with the Greece situation as just one example. aThen 3 more steps to the NWO.
Let's all take each others hands and sing together in peace and harmony. Happy?
5:20 is all you need to hear, he admits he hasn't stepped into into many an impoverished town outside a major city in the UK, his opinion is baseless.
Completely unaware of what's really going on, the fact is the rich/poor divide has never been so severe in the western world. As we've seen with the US in recent years - the middle class demographic has disappeared and has been replaced with a 2 tier structure where you're either poor or comfortable. We are living in a society with record levels of credit debt, a society where you will never own your own home outright, people who delay having a family just to secure their careers, utilities and national interest rising whilst wages are stagnant. Still this is just taking a hold of the UK as a secondary ripple effect. The so called poor are retailliating against more than just immigration or jobs, it's deeper than that, it's the bourgois system that allows rich people and foreign corporations to run the UK from the helm of London.
And yet it is the rich who are behind brexit. They have caused the anger with deindustrialisation and austerity, harnessed the anger with the most deceitful political campaign and have profited from brexit by short-selling the pound and will continue to profit from it. Once again, we all vote for the rich guy who promises to solve all our problems whilst forgetting the rich have never solved the problems of the common man and the common woman.
Agree totally.
"I find it shocking that I've never spent any time in these parts of the UK where there are a large volume of leave voters, perhaps I don't understand my fellow countryman as well I a once thought"
LITERALLY THE NEXT SENTENCE
"Lets see how we can go about winning them over to my ideology instead of diving deeper in to what may be the perceived grievances of this population."
What a disappointing way to approach this topic...
Max Sherwin you know what...ive heard that many immigrants are sick of all the immigration. ..they loved the uk and didn’t want their culture taking over as were happy to integrate. I’m very sad that there’s nasty racist attacks though. Just this week a poor 17 exchange student from Germany was almost beaten to death,
Yes I totally agree with you. I was expecting him to say let's hear their side of the argument but instead he said let's change their minds?!? *slap hand on forehead. I voted remain but I dont agree with everything he said.
Winning them over by including them in the benefits of the stated policies. What's controversial about that?
@@vdotme I'm all for winning the public over to remain but we should first hear why the people want to leave, what exactly is it that causes a person to vote leave. Going to a place to 'further educate' them about your point of view sounds a bit close minded to me
Me - *nods agreeing*
Later - so im ignorant and uneducated?
Native Londoners are leaving all the time to get away from the immigrants so you're wrong
they must be very uneducated then, immigration gives growth to countries. Its not like the borders are open and flowing in with people, they select the ones they want to enter, like normally the educated from underdeveloped countries, which is also bad for the underdeveloped countries. they dont want their educated to leave as much as you dont want immigrants and your illogical 'fear of the other', making it sound like a horror story. ridiculous. educated people increase gdp and employment for stupid useless people
Nikkie Yoland they don't leave for economic reasons, they leave for cultural reason because they don't like the new cultures these people bring because they don't mesh well. Nice assumption that they're all thick btw.
as i said illogical 'fear of the other'. and should've thought about that before they tried to colonize half the world
Nikkie Yoland unless you're religious then you don't believe in original sin I presume? So why should anyone be punished for the sins of their forefathers? Stupid argument. It's not illogical to be against bringing in millions of people with antithetical views to what the homogenous populous has. Doing that will naturally result in a society without shared values which is a recipe for disaster
Nikkie Yoland yeah except thousands come in and settle every single year since the early 2000s when Blair opened the border so yes millions have came in and stayed.
Overpopulation is never a problem. There will always be plenty of space.
No, the refugee process is that you seek asylum in the first country that is not at war and endangering you. Those in calais are now economic migrants who we are under no such obligation to take.
Classic Virtue Signaling. "We want to include you, but you are stupid and your views are idiotic so please feel included and do as I say!"
I'm glad we have a democracy.
attitudes like yours are why the brexit vote succeeded. you aren't superior in any fashion. until you can deal with others as your peers, no one has any reason to listen to you.
In what way are they coddled?
then why not add 65 MILLION immigrants? that wouldn't cause any unemployment?
*****
lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
"The vote to Leave had nothing to do with migration from outside the EU."
Tell that to Poland and Hungary, being threatened with having EU funding cut off unless they accept migrantgee quotas, or being chastised for having too many "white Christians" in an European Cultural Capital proposal.
Hungary should be kicked out of the eu lol
@@GeodesicBruh They should be so lucky.
@@GeodesicBruh Not possible, please educate yourself before comments
@@nowaskmehow Why lucky? Without the EU funding's, it's gonna be downhill again.
@@damiaanspatrick2050 Much like Brexit would crash the UK within a week?
How is there roughly 40% more thumbs up but about 90% of comments aren't in favour of this video?
It's more like 33% which is a really poor ratio.
Because liberal morons are too fucking stupid to comment as to why they like the video, they are too fucking self-absorbed too find time to post something positive, they are too fucking ungrateful to share their thanks, or a mixture of all three. I think the former is most probable. Fucking liberal MORONS!!
@@dp0813 I am glad that you took the time to post something positive, unlike the "liberal morons"...
Google "Buy RUclips Likes"; never trust social media metrics as most if not all can be bought at a click of a button...
@@dp0813 how ironic...
as a immigrant to the UK i never though xenophobia and rasism is rampant, it was fine for me
Wow. And I've never been raped before so that's probably not a problem either.
are you a sjw? because your thinking fits right in
That's a lie and exemplifies your ignorance and lack of education. (For the record I'm not Muslim or middle eastern, but will not stand for your discrimination of them because that is the American thing to do. You weak bigoted Brits wouldn't understand)
Shahaed Hasan The American thing to do yet the US president-elect himself was the one to point this out. Americans never forget 9/11. We Brits burned down the White House in 1814, but at least there was no one inside to die, it was just for humiliation purposes and that was 202 years ago, now we're friends :')
Shahaed Hasan "No Muslims allowed" "No entry Muslim" thats what Trump said LOL Trump took a day out of his campaign to come UK on June 24th to celebrate Brexit with us.
He never contemplates he could be wrong, just that he has to prove everyone he's right. Maybe he should spend more than 4 days in a post industrial town in the north before he starts to talk about the reasons of Brexit as an expert and giving any sort of solutions.
Hes shifted a bit to notice that he doesnt know Brexit areas well. Then say he needs to tell them what to think. Its hugely patronising. I think Brexit is damaging. But I dont see this talk to have real answers.
Yep exactly. Britain has already overtaken Europe in our international trade in two short months. £68b added trade in two months
Those northern towns and cities were already struggling economically relative to the south. If you bother to read the history of the English north side 1945, you'll see that it had become dependent on diminishing numbers of industries, particularly coal. Thatcher crushed the unions and partially privatized council housing. Those postindustrial towns have been harms far less by a global be economy than their inability (like so many postindustrial towns throughout the West) to adapt to a changing economy with changing industries.
How arrogant this guy is , he thinks we are all stupid and don’t understand the figures or the reality when the truth is we do and only to well
@@ems7623 I am a northerner, I don't need to read about the subject. I was born in thatcher's Britain
What needs to be clearly measured and explained and convincing is when they say Globalization “benefits all”, they have to define how that works. Does it “benefit all” by raising everyone’s current quality of life, or by leveling everyone to the same level (lowering some and raising other)? That’s an important difference if you want to understand why people vote the way they do.
He does briefly mention that
It benefits some and disadvantages others, but the economy as a whole will win big time, which will benefit everyone in the long run.
What a brain dead prat. A fine example that education doesn't necessarily mean intelligence. Outdated proven failed ideas.
Ideally, with globalization, each country will specialize with whatever their thing is so it can be done as efficiently and low cost as possible and the entire world will just trade stuff. Boom. Cheaper goods for everyone.
But since we don't live in an ideal world, this doesn't happen all the time, but everything considered, globalization did a more net positive for the world, so it's actually good. To make globalization better is what we should be working on, not shut it down entirely because it is imperfect.
@@wafercrackerjack880 oh boy. I already like america and its "democracy", where my vote nor worries nor complaints nor praises are EVER heard, it is drown out by incessant noise of idiots. I'm excited for when that goes from a local issue to a global issue, where counties,cities,states,countries will have their own votes, worries, complaints and praises drowned out. Where we are all told to do what we are told and never have a thought or opinion about it. JUST DO THING, CONSUME PRODUCT AND NEVER ASK QUESTIONS!!! WHEEEEEEEEEE!!! Brexit was an answer to this issue, or an attempt at it, which i think its done pretty decent/
You speak of fear as if it's only a bad thing, and I agree that a paranoid type of fear is debilitating and a cause for concern. However, perhaps more research would have been helpful - normal or healthy fear can also help people avoid critical danger, to themselves and others. As a mother, I'm constantly having to gauge whether certain situations, places, animals, even people are safe for my children to be around. My children would not have survived to date unless I sometimes made choices based on the fear of potential harm to them. Fear makes us wiser in our choices, especially when it comes to what is unfamiliar, because it gives us cause to pause and consider the potential results, or consequences. Fear of failure or loss also increases adrenaline output so as to heighten our senses and ensure optimal performance in any competitive situation. I believe therefore that there are valid and important reasons why people fear globalisation. Those fears should be welcomed, and serve as a loud and clear warning to humanity to proceed with caution when faced with globalisation. I'm very reluctant to trust anyone attempting to undermine or cancel healthy fear. It's played a key role in the survival of humanity to this point and should be allowed to continue doing so going forward.
Why exactly is it an ideal to hate your own country?
Ask the Germans. They have it in spades.
This guy is trying to show you he is smart, rather than talking about all the issues.
I learnt more in chat than I did from him.
ask the americans
communists don't believe in borders, they refuse to believe that some countries are better than others, and that some people aren't welcome because of changes that would inherently occur in the countries that would come from some immigrants that weaken those countries.
they're globalists, they don't believe in nations or distinct people or sovereignty. they are essentially new world humanitarian communists propped up by Harvard trying to drag everyone else into their insane coffee colored utopia. they must be stopped at all costs.
He still just doesn't get it. I'm a liberal as a rule but I'm also a realist. Most people that wanted Brexit don't care whether there are economic benefits or not, they don't care about the economic benefits of migration, they just want to live in a self governing country with boarders that are controlled. They want to be able to vote to make changes to the direction the country is headed for better or for worse.
Our grandparents of the ww2 era would be turning in their graves
Facts
@There's No God we will still be part of NATO, that's keeping the peace. you seem to have a synical view on the economy ( probably listening to the Mark Carney too much). Apparently we would be in a recession and 400,000 people will be out of work PURELY on a vote to leave. Instead we have had steady growth and more people in work than ever before. I believe this is down to the forecasters assuming the worst without factoring in companies ability to adapt. WTO is not nearly as bad as it's perceived either. I believe if Brexit is done properly and treated as an opportunity this country could flourish.
Btw, Your "you are wrong" attitude to you've posted on these comments make you come across as someone unwilling to listen to rational thoughts and unwilling to change.
And when the elitist make these 'immigration' decisions, it doesn't affect them-it affects the middle and lower people who are in close quarters with them.
Sick of the elite making decisions the rest of us have to live with.
@There's No God With regards to Trump, I don't think Trump or Hilary were suited for the role. I do believe now he has been voted in the American people should get behind him. Same with Brexit. It will work if people get behind itinstead of being fixated on idea that it's a big mistake. Negativity causes negative outcomes. Your argument about zero hours contracts... It's been in the news for the past 6 or more years about the rise in zero hours contracts. It's not like it's a surprise to the bank of England. They know full well about them but they still got the figures hilariously wrong. Then the personal assault on my age/lack of job. I'm a 20 something year old in a professional career in which we work with companies inside and outside of Europe. Are me and my co-workers worried? A few are but most support Brexit
He's basically saying the one's that voted for brexit are unintellegent, intolerant and exclusionary
And he is perfect of course !
The globalization of nation states will place too much power in too few hands. Decision making will be made further away from you by regions with alternative interests. The fear is justified.
@MrKingdig We leavers love the Donald, common sense will prevail.
@MrKingdig To suggest that half the world never had a history of craftmanship would be the most ignorant thing I'd heard all month, but then you followed up with Trump being a true environmentalist despite stripping anti-pollution regulations left and right. Congrats on your two-fer.
@MrKingdig I guess you've only purchased a lot of cheap, low-quality objects from China(that's low-quality because it's made of cheaply recycled trash from our countries), neverminding the quality ceramics, forge work, and especially textiles that have come out of that country for over a millennium. China has more than its share of cheap industries right now because that's how they chose to develop their economy, but it also has a wide variety of skilled craftspeople and quality products just like any other large country. And if you were reading any of the material on what's coming out of China right now you'd know that they're moving away from cheap industry and focusing more and more on high-quality and technological developments.
It's actually a serious concern for Western markets which you ought to know since your idol, Trump, has been fighting tooth and nail to keep their products out of the USA because they're out-competing local industry. A rudimentary google search would have revealed to you literally countless high quality and luxury goods being produced by Chinese companies right now. Your entire argument is specious, but the piece about Trump needing to remove a product from a capitalist economy because people were buying too much of the worst possible option is directly contrary to how a capitalist economy works.
TL;DR You do not, will not, and have never needed to remove failed products from a capitalist economy. The way a capitalist economy works, the consumer chooses the best product for them among competing options. If the Chinese goods are out-competing American goods then it's because the Chinese goods fulfill needs in the consumer that the American ones do not. It's genuinely that simple.
Just abloke.
The EEC is limbering up for just that!
In fact Brexit is EEC's major-league fear because it throws a spanner in the works of the UN Global Government.plans for which EEC is another 'brick in the wall'.
EEC is becoming Reich 4 V.1.00
UN wants to be Reich 5.
@MrKingdig Pity you got cut off at the end!
Woah, the comments...
He's not saying "You're too stupid to understand why we like the EU".
He's saying "We don't listen to each other and we're all guilty of that".
Do you think he reads the comments here??
Terence Francis
Thanks for your constructive comments and criticisms.
It's amazing. How, according to Alexander, it's not whether someone agrees or disagrees, but wether someone agrees or is just afraid.
Yeah, the likes of Alexander never seem to sign up to serve their country, unlike the plebiscite who has no other option since the countries 'Alexanders' removed all other places of work to rely on the EU and the Far East.
wow, your comment highlights a very important idea, thank you
He could have saved the world time if he just held up a mirror to himself and realised he and globalisation are the reason it happened.
Note how he quickly bushes past the fact about raised house prices and lower wages. At least he didn't use the food argument
The nerve of this guy saying the reason brexit passed was because old people dont know how to get on the internet....how naive
Is
I am the very antithesis of what peole think a brexit voter was. I am a twenty-something urban professional from a middle class background with a PhD from Scotland, living in London and have traveled extensively. My scientific research was funded by the EU. I voted leave. I am sick to death of the narrative that Leave voters were somehow just unaware of how good the EU is and how it benefits us, and how I must hate globalisation and am scared of the world. Absolute nonsense. I will never be pursuaded that I voted incorrectly, I knew what I was doing and I am delighted about the result. We dont fear cooperation or immigrants, we fear the system as it is. Knock it down and start again, because the EU as it is is broken, it doesnt matter how much you wish it wasnt, it is. Reform is not possible, we have to start again.
The Life of Ryan well said, I also am sick of being pigeon holed as a certain type of voter and that I must be wrong and a racist.
Im one hundred percent behind you - this liberal idiot suggested that people without degrees missed the point - how dare he say that? Everyone I know pretty much has a degree and we all voted out. Lets get our control back from these nutter liberal Europeans.
Well said. I am a professional myself with board positions in several international companies. I also voted leave. Unfortunately, in one particular role, I got quite close to the EU and was horrified by the waste, arrogance and outright corruption I witnessed. Arrogance does not really sum it up eloquently enough. Sneering disregard for anyone outside of the EU organisation is somewhat closer.
James HW Forgive me for not proof reading before posting. Spelling a word incorrectly isn't exactly the biggest issue here but thank you for pointing that out. You may ask. Imperial College London, consistently ranked in the world's top 10. Anything else?
Completely agree I'm 17 and the large of my age group/generation voted remain as you know. I was given so much abuse in my school and by my friends...Even though I'm not the racist, uneducated and anti-progressive picture of a brexiter they paint.
This guy uses a lot of big words and sounds smart, but pretty much everything he's saying is bs.
Maybe he should have used smaller words so you could understand.
He hasn't said much. If you think there is profundity to be found here, you are horribly in error.
*uses many big words, *everything he says
Because...???
And you offer no explanation for your choice of words. Which words would you use to explain your self? Please, try to do it with small words.
So, have you been to Middlesbrough, Hartlepool and South Shields yet to sell the benefits of globalisation to them?
I know mate it makes ta sick watching so called educated people spouting so called facts which are complete bs, you'd think he was talking at the lib dem conference, all that said he basically said we're ignorant racist bigots in a nice way and the globalist need to get into schools to indoctrinate our kids a bit like the Hitler youth movement, you can see how extreme these people are, the only thing the audience didn't do was stand up at the end, arm raised shouting seig heil
Go to Rotherham and tell those kids how good it is
What gets me though, isn't wouldn't leaving the EU make us MORE globalised? Boris was all about making the UK a MORE globalised nation, that we would have the power to make our own free trade deals with emerging markets outside the EU. So, doesn't that defeat the whole point? Unless your idea of Brexit is for us to become completely isolationist? Do you have any idea how to undo 100 years of globalisation and outsourcing? Do you think all those businesses and factories are just gonna come back and we'll all be employed in industry again? People need to learn to adapt to change, this is the way the world is and the direction it's going in. The main objective right now is how to increase our GDP, reduce our debt, and invest in poor parts of the country, and leaving the EU wouldnt do anything to change that. Honestly no one has any good ideas on how to do that
Oh Alexander - this started off as a rigorous, impartial and thoughtful analysis of what happened and why and how. No punches pulled, no feelings spared, and for perhaps 7 or 8 minutes we were all with you. As succinct and perceptive analysis as any I had heard before - or indeed since. So objective #1 achieved - and indeed nicely presented.
But then - dear Lord - you proceed to demonstrate the extent to which you really, profoundly, conceptually do not get it !! From the point where you cite Kofi Annan's "take" on Globalisation, you close the door to any possibility - even the vaguest suspicion - that anything other than 100% pure uncut globalisation will ultimately be acceptable for the future of the planet. The classic Liberal failing - "Well I can see it all so clearly - why can't you??"
And then we refer back to your central admission of having spent 4 days of your ENTIRE life in the 90% of the English/Welsh land-mass coloured red on your graphic - and your preconceptions and prejudices backed up by such pathetically short exposure lead you from one (perhaps not arrogant, but certainly) misinformed position to the next and undoes all the excellent groundwork of Part One.
A propos of absolutely nothing, you assert that "the most tolerant in our society are those in London and the South-East" and that the least tolerant "are those who have experienced least immigration". A statement of stunning and breath-taking naivete !
You truly believe that what the people of Bradford, Leeds, Leicester, Inner Manchester, Inner Birmingham actually need is MORE ethnic diversity? I strongly suggest you try visiting any of them sometime soon.
Actually (ironically) you are right - but for absolutely the wrong reasons ...... what they need is more native, culturally original people to restore the stability and identitiy of once great British cities, now ghetto-ised almost to the point of destruction by alien cultures unable and indeed unwilling to integrate with those who had been there before.
And you view various polls carried out in Central London to be indicative of broad-minded tolerance? But perhaps the fact that 33 of the 37 London boroughs now have a MINORITY White/British population (as only rich foreigners can now afford the inflated property prices) might explain why there is less hostility to immigrants than elsewhere in the xenophobic, misguided provinces??
The pursuit of utopian world-wide co-existence can no longer afford to ignore local tensions and the loss of identitiy and belonging of indigenous peoples, no matter how much that offends your sense of ethnic propriety - just try exporting those values to Pakistan or iran or Saudi or Zimbabwe or Somalia or Nigeria - or indeed to India or China or Japan.
Only in the "woke" democracies of the West are we supposed to habitually turn the other cheek and continuously welcome people who essentially despise our culture and wish us harm. This is not just a British view - check out the popular movements in Sweden, italy, France, and YES, even Germany. Not to mention the Central European states of which you liberals are (quite wrongly) so dismissive and perjorative. People of your stamp have to understand that there is no simple panacea - no one size fits all solution to multi-racialism - much less the thoroughly discredited version of multi-culturalism. Destroying the host state is NOT conducive to the ongoing well-being of either future or past immigrants. This stuff NOW has to be managed sensitively, firmly and properly - not left to develop organically in multiple cultural ghettoes. That way lies bloodshed, ugliness and ruin.
George Orwell explained the whole
phenomenon of Self Loathing and
hatred of one's country which is the hallmark of the Left / liberal.
Throw in a large measure of
" White Guilt " and you get bedwetters like this pratt.
Everyone seems to miss the point of brexit: the EU does not resemble a democracy and people want to change this.
Makes sense, since non-members of the EU are obviously those that change the most within the EU. The EU is not as democratic as it should be, but leaving changes exactly nothing about that.
What I meant is that the EU is not democratic at all. Everyone in the EU parliament and even the representatives from our countries aren't (even indirectly) elected by the people. Demos -> the people. to have a voting process where all members have a vote and veto does not imply that it is democratic.
E.g. all those trading agreements are processed by agents of the industry.
+Tiavor Kuroma If you against the EU you must be a racist apparently. This is the level of argumentation the leftists always use: slander.
Skyturnip
I don't really get what you want to say and I don't get how you come from democracy to left leaning racist.
Usually the right wingers are the racist ones. only the extreme lefties like feminists, blm, sjw are so inclusive that they are racist again. and I am definitely not one of them :P
I am against what the EU is now, it could be better. It could be more democratic.
as an Australian i find the idea that the British were upset with a loss
of democracy is utterly hilarious. you have an unelected royal family
as your head of state and your house of review is made up of the landed
aristocracy. on top of that the house of commons runs under a first past
the post system with numerous members of that house winning with under
40% of the vote. infact the Eu was in some cases more represenative due
to the fact there was proportional voting in EU elections.
why am i laughing as an Australian, our head of state while officially
is the Queen in law this power is delegated to the prime minister to
pick a non partisan Governor General (so chosen by an elected official).
both our houses in parliament are elected and neither use first past
the post, infact in our house of representatives (commons equivalent)
you CANNOT be elected without over 50% of the vote. we use instant
runoff voting meaning you number the candidates in order of preference.
our Senate (lords equivalent) has proper proportional representation the
idea being that the make up is different to the house of reps ensuring
debate and discussion on laws instead of a party ramming stuff through.
the UK is barely a democracy. they majority voted against the Current
Government and its embarrassing how the argument of the EU being
undemocratic was being used by a bunch of hypocrites
How is it Globalization when everyone is moving to Britain? Surely this should mean I should be able to go to Africa and have the same living standards and rights as they expect here..
lol
Africa is not a country babe.
+Yusuf A Liberia then, be a bunch of white Amish people should move to Liberia and see how well they fit in. See how well the government backwards to change their laws set the white Amish.
Most likely they would be killed..
+Joseph Thorpe Except that Liberia was a country founded by freed slaves (Hence the name). The result of centuries of their resources and way of life being stripped by the west and they didn't ask for it in the first place. Is there any wander that the result of your hypothetical situation might actually turn out to be true if this were the case. Don't water down the complexities of international issues, an eye for an eye and then the whole world is blind.
We are embarrassingly unaware of how divided our societies are. You are correct, you are :)
pageboy this guy is too self obsessed to realise why real ppl voted leave
The denial is strong in this one, as most narcissists, he rejects reality with strong virtual signaling, as a call for help, from lesser lemmings seeking status in exchange for their full attention and convincing agreement 9 projected at him without the need of understanding or even questioning a word, only clapping and occasional whooping with convincing enthusiasm. No Zzzing please.
I'm very aware of it.
My solution is, ban any remoaner talk. outlaw it.
This guy has a very benign view of globalization.
*realistic*
Well, if you crunch the numbers, globalisation is really good.
It's also THE reason why Europe is able to find peace. So yeah, seems pretty cool to me
Marc Nassif wasn’t it already at peace before ‘globalisation’?
@@coyhutt8022 Heard about WW2? The baseline of the EU, the Coal and Steel Community was created between France and West Germany for that exact reason: make conflict between France and Germany impossible by making them interdependent.
@@marcnassif2822 ah, so that's why there hasn't been another war between France and Germany since then because of coal and steel. Didn't do much for UK coal and steel industries though. How come we haven't had a war with them?
I thought this was going to be a surprisingly good video: a highly educated libera finding out there are people with other opinions.. But then you started saying we need to explain the benefits of globalism better.
No, no! You need to listen to those people, not teach them!
Two points on immigration:
1) those models that reach the conclusion that immigration has a positive effect for a country as a whole assume immigrants that want to integrate. Those models fail when the immigrants are incomparable with western values and refuse to accept these western values.
2) on your example that the southeast has a lot of immigrants and appreciate immigrants. Let's take London. London has a large amount of highly skilled immigrants that are brought in by companies (banks) AND it has a large amount of refugee immigrants. These two groups *don't* mingle. You can't just lump these two classes (that's what they are) together and make a point.
Nice post.
Ding ding ding, we have a weiner!
TL;DR - I got no problem with them immigents, but they don't mingle! We need to all make love and have interracial sexy time until all people are the same beige colour. Oh and have the same belief system/values.
Yay! No mo' immigents! We all da samezees!
Do people really still think that Eastern European immigrants are a problem?
I didn't realise we lived in the 1990's.
Future Ruler of Ukraine
They are all good people, we just want greater control of how many are here.
Polish workers are here working as many hours as they can to save 1000's to build a house in Poland, perhaps we should look after our own people first??
I welcome workers from all nations, just want to have control over how many are here.
+Bert You and the lady from this post fall exactly into what the video is talking about.
Immigrants don't need to adopt your values. Most 1st world countries are free nations and if they are LAW abiding citizens then they can choose their own religion, orientation, job etc. Their own values at home can be whatever they want them to be...as long as they fall within the law.
You and your other posts make it clear that you are trying to "take back" or "control" your country. UK or whatever country doesn't belong to you. It's just a piece of land with imaginary borders. Fortunately you were born within the UK...unfortunately the majority of the rest of the world was not, and you should open up your mind to seeing past that.
If you are being out performed or taken advantage of by your employer over favoritism/cheap labor/hours/OT...then that's a legal issue that your government needs to take care of with your labor/legislative and or executive branches. It does not get fixed by excluding immigrants from your country - that's a failing system with your employer, equality, the private sector, and your government's executive branch to enforce the law (unless there's no law that makes it legal). If I was yourself I'd start by denouncing the company that's doing this to you to legal authorities and have some respect for myself by quitting - stop making money for them. The people whom you should be demanding enforcement are your elected public officials.
Alex Betts Represents the people who has never worked in mines or industrial plants ... he refuses to understand the lower class citizen and how this will effect families that are already struggling to get by. Cherry picking the advantages of globalization and throwing away the cons
here in december 2018 ... we have seen the effects of globalization in Paris ... Hindsight really is a beautiful thing. Brexit couldn't come soon enough
Brexit will hurt the economy of England ... but ... sometimes we just gotta take one on the chin... pick our selves up and keep moving on.
I live in Toronto, one of the world's most multi-cultural cities, and I'm constantly surprised at how well these disparate groups that constitute this polyglot, polyracial society get along. When I was young, in the 1950s, I lived in an area that was largely British and Protestant -- Catholics (!) were considered a bit beyond the pale. Now I live in a city where, for all its faults, manages to incorporate disparate ethic, religious and racial groups reasonably -- not perfectly, mind you -- get along.
It's us the working class who get all the negatives of mass migration. Then when we raise legitimate concerns we're told to shut up for the sake of diversity. We're called racists, islamophobes and fascists because we're complaining our areas have become more dangerous and are basically being taken over by immigrants. Because our wages are being depressed, our children can't find work, or a home when grown.
The working class have had ZERO benefits from globalism and we are the beating heart of a nation. The Sense of community we had is gone. We're excluded at work because we can't speak the language of all the immigrants.
We valued our society and mass migration is fracturing and balkanization is commonplace now.
And you wonder why we voted the way we did.
Perfect explanation. Couldn't have worded it more perfectly. Once the biased media understands that no matter how much propaganda they ram down our throats, our opinion is firm and will not change.
Perhaps ironically, he talks of people who voted to leave rather than to them. He continues the theme of assuming to be superior to them, he talks about them not as equals but as if they are a problem. The only real problem they pose is to this vision of globalisation.
I myself am a liberal. I believe everyone should be allowed to do what makes them happy so long as it doesn't negatively impact others. I am not however, a 'progressive', someone who wants to manipulate the human race into becoming something dangerously unsustainable and unnatural, and fundamentally flawed by design.
The most common mistake these people make is assuming borders are simple entities, with a purpose none other than to stop individual's freedoms. In some cases this can be true, North Korea for example, but you cannot compare western borders to that of the likes of North Korea. So what do borders do? They protect us in many ways; by containing the human population in cells or 'nations' (that are still free to interact with other cells) you protect against diseases, you protect cultures and beliefs, you protect fragile ecosystems, and most importantly you give people much more democratic control within those smaller populations and therefore a much bigger voice on the world stage through elected representation.
Common sense is completely missing from the globalist vision. If you have a larger population, then each vote becomes worth less. In a globalised world, your voice becomes worth 1 in 7+ billion rather than 1 in 60+ million (eg). Globalisation does NOT have to be political, the only possible outcome is an authoritarian state, no matter how well it may be disguised.
So I say: How dare they not listen as equals to those of a different opinion? How dare they advocate the destruction of systems that have protected us for so long? And how dare they use ideological fantasy to brainwash the young and naïve?
This is nothing but pure arrogance. He knows better, does he? No, he doesn't. This is above all a matter of opinion and everyone has their own reasoning for their opinions, but let's not for a moment actually ask people for their (allegedly uninformed) reasoning, right? Note how people like this do not listen to people who do not agree with them, in fact people like him actively seek to bury any valid counter arguments instead of having a fair debate and rely on titles awarded to them also by people of similar opinions to give credence to their waffle.
This comment that you're reading now (up to the second to last paragraph) was removed by TED several times from their website before they banned the account that posted it. They silence anyone who dares question their egocentric opinions and leave only the less well-informed arguments visible in an attempt to tarnish anyone who disagrees with the brush of being ill-educated or racist; the comment was fully on-topic in response to the video and broke none of the terms of their website, yet it was still systematically removed by their feudal moderators. If these are the tactics used to try to convince us of how great the EU is then I want no part of it; this has more resemblance to Soviet Russia and the GDR than to the democracy of the United Kingdom.
lkjh lkjlk i like you! Wonderful words, 100% agreed!
lkjh lkjlk very good post
Yeah, he still doesn’t get it. He’s repeating all the things we’ve always heard. I’m an American, but I would’ve absolutely voted leave. The UK was paying £50 million a day to the EU, and for what? For the headaches caused by hostile immigrants? For the EU to deny every request by the UK in legislative action? The UK gets nothing for it. And here’s this fake intellectual, acting like the only people who wanted to vote leave were uneducated racists. I’m not uneducated or racist, and I’m only 33, and I would’ve been standing right by Mr. Farage.
lkjh lkjlk Thanks for bringing some sense back into the argument. Completely agree with what you've written here.
Man I am literally not allowed by RUclips to downvote any left leaning content. I'm not even kidding. If I go to something like Fox News or something else like that it works just fine. I've also constantly been getting called a Russian bot when I comment since around 2017. Suspicious??? [I think I'm on a list]
Every person who actually works for a living should watch this... If any war breaks out, this guy will be miles behind the lines... He is much to important to get involved. You all can do the fighting for him.
its a good job I live in Cumbria, a "red area", and don't have the internet to watch this video, and haven't got an education so me no understand biggy words, otherwise I may take offence at some of the comments made in this talk.
From Virginia, get it. I hear you, and I get it.
Yeah hope he and his rich mates can learn us good at his expense!
I bet when he was in those Red areas he was lost and scared lol
@@Coneman3 he still is.
He missed the point completely.
Yep, and this is why the liberal elite are doomed. They are too cowardly to even examine the causes of their own defeats. Always falling back into their own dogma.
lol, you're so stupid, I don't even know what to say... xD
@@jannis7458 Really? He never even asked one Brexit voter WHY they voted that way! Not one. How lazy an academic do you have to be to NOT ask the people you study for their reasons.
@@qetoun Why did you vote for brexit? I'm not trying to argue I just want to fill the gap he missed.
@@TheBoWill Primarily due to the loss of political accountability and democratic force that the British people once had by handing major arms of our domestic law and policy into an unelected extension of the German government. Having studied EU and UK Constitutional law to degree level, these points aren't desputed. No academic will claim that the EU is democratic, or responcible.
This bloody comments section is a mess....
People clearly are not getting what the bloke is trying to say. He's not calling 'your' side uneducated (whichever it may be) he's saying *both* sides are uneducated *about the other side* - that's WHY he brought up he'd only spent so little time in these areas, he's admitting that he doesn't fully understand the alternative side. He's saying both sides need to understand the other better - which is very true.
He literally stated we're not inclusive - and that means politically too. We don't like the opposing political views and we tend to argue and judge each other based off that.
The fact people are cherry picking quotes and nitpicking the video instead of actually listening to points about trying to work together and find a compromise just because it was clearly biased towards globalisation is ridiculous.
YES it is biased and he clearly focuses on providing information to one particular side - but that doesn't invalidate the points about needing to better understand the other side - and that goes for both sides, not just one.
I know I shouldn't expect much from a RUclipss comment section but we can actually just try to work together for once? Maybe we'd actually find some kind of compromise and better understanding of each other if we stopped bickering for just a few minutes.
*****
Pfff I wish I could achieve some true understanding in the bloody mess that is politics. Maybe then I'd have some idea how to vote.
I don't believe I'm surrounded by morons, if anything I'm just as uneducated as anyone else. Trust me - I am making no claims to greater understanding - literally why I'm watching these kind of videos, it just seems that maybe talking to each other for once without being insulting would be nicer than the typical flame war it devolves into.
But as it is - it's a bloody nightmare to try and have the topic brought up without it becoming just a blind argument that comes down to insults. Or it just being avoided altogether for fear of such.
And heck deny it all ya like - but look at things like the Brexit Referendum, I to this day still don't understand a lot of the other sides points. I ask my family, friends, work-collegues and they offer scattered, often contradicting points. Who's side am I to believe? Well I certainly won't get information by just yelling "YOU'RE WRONG" at them, eh?
But because everyone just loves to be in their own echo chamber (heck, myself included - and probably the guy in the video included) we often don't even understand the fundamentals of the other sides arguments. All we really see is the smear stain our side has put on it, which isn't really education to me.
If I believed everything I heard from 'my' side, I'd not be bothering replying to you at all. But nah, you've got a different opinion on the topic, you're welcome to it - heck, for all I know you're right. That's kinda why I'm here at all. To pick up on other opinions because of my lack of own knowledge.
Think of me as you will stranger, I'm not pretending to be clever, I just want to for once see a little bit of cooperation between the two very much estranged sides in almost every political discussion, be it the US's republican VS democrat debate, or the UKs Brexit debate.
But if that somehow makes me an intellectual and middle-class then thank bloody god, I could do with the extra money and getting a better job.
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graveeking finally some one else understands it.
Just two little problems with what you just said, he is uneducated about the real globalist aim and he live in dream world. This is NOT about a friendly open harms society but about NWO G20 Agenda 21, please check these real globalists intention that wanst you to think like this indoctrinated gentlemen and second problem is that he is saying you have to educate the ones who are not indoctrinated like him, meaning he is saying he is right and they are not.
Nope. He's definitely being a classist and an academic elitist. He's the experts we're tired of. Note: I am not a Tory, and that quoting of Gove was entirely unintentional. I'm an old-time hard-leftie
Dear Mr. Betts. I chose to hear what you have to say because I knew from the very beginning who you are and from which islands. As you may be aware of I have a couple of friends there and I respect your vote against being 'added' to your neighbour (which I fully agree with) and your eventual independence. Others may have a different opinion and that does not make them bigots or stupid. Britain voted to be free from the German-Belgian EU and revert to her traditional Commonwealth relationship. On the other hand, nationalism is the same reality that your people voted for. Cheers.
"Imagine my shock when I woke up the next morning and realised there were people outside of the south east of England who didn't agree with me!"
This is the kind of guy who espouses left wing politics knowing he won't be poorer because of them. I bet he reads The Guardian.
Who's laughing now?
well, the EU is laughing hard ar your buffoon! ahahha
Pietro Pasquale Furfaro well if it wasn’t for uk, there would be no EU
@@JohnWilson-qy8en do you mean the red army and the americans?
Pietro Pasquale Furfaro the same America that you and your stupid liberal mates hate for voting in one of the best American presidents in modern history? Trumps gonna win again mate, Britain is free trump is in, dont don’t need the EU. But remember love Europe hate the EU
@@pietrowideshutfurfaro9900 EU will be IS later ISLAM UNION
( ͡• ͜ʖ ͡•) Global national unity is different to Globalization.
*Triggered*
Would you mind educating me on the difference?
+kikokazuma One is no nation, no border, 1 big nation, like Communism.
One is just more open.
+kikokazuma
Globalisation is the open economic ideology of no trade tariffs and no borders to allow free roam of people from one country to another. The problem is that countries are given the ability to lower their dollar value in order to make themselves extremely profitable through mass and cheap exports while they drown out the economy EX: China.
The issues with Globalisation is that while it increases national GDP, high workers rights countries and such often suffer with their native population as their native population loses jobs to overseas manufacturing and exports since the cost of business in Europe is much higher than in China. Globalisation is also the economic stance that allows for modern slavery to be practiced to great effect and profit by foreign nations.
The good bit with Globalisation is that your country's GDP increases and if your country has a skilled labour shortage, like some of the Nordic states, importation of skilled labour is quite easy
Imagine one world government...and you don't like it....Where do you go?
Although he admitted that he perhaps doesn't understand other people who voted for leave, it seems that his suggestion is to try harder to change other people's minds instead of his own.
@James Nolan Erm, in 1960, 12 years before we joined the common market we were the fourth largest economy by GDP in the world, today we are fifth. The problem with saying that the EU has benefited us is that there is no evidence of it and true today our economy is much bigger than in 1960, but that is true of all countries. Including those not in the EU.
@James Nolan Many years ago David Icke claimed that the EU, like a few other alliances across the world, was a step towards a one world government.
@James Nolan Its true that the £350 million figure is actually smaller once you count all the money that comes back to Britian, but there is still a large amount of British tax payers money that could be spent in Britain that isn't. This however is just the tip of the iceberg.
The idea that nations who trade with each don't go to war with each other is a noble one, whether the peace we have enjoyed since the end of WW2 is down to the EU is debateble we just be experincing the calm before the storm who knows. But the idea for the common market was one without the UK, a united warless Europe was designed so that the British didn't keep getting drawn into European conflicts and could focus on its empire.
In the years since our entery into the common market we have seen many of our traditional industries collopase. Many coastal towns ruined by the collopase of the fishing industry, I think about 60% of fish caught in UK waters are landed in Europe. That could be British fish, caught by British trawlers, to feed the British people. We could easily see a revival in many coastal towns if European vessals were no longer allowed to fish in UK waters. Just one area that could benefit from us leaving the EU.
One main of the biggest problems with the EU is its written entrenchment of capitalism, the only consitition in the world committed to capitalism. The upsides and downsides of capitalism are heavily debated, but it does limit government power when the market fails to provide.
As I mention before Britian was one of the biggest economies in the world before we joined the EEC and we are currently the fifth biggest. There is every reason to believe that will still be one of the biggest economies after we leave as well. Britain is not dependant on the EU for its success, but it is dependant on its freedom to do what it thinks best for its success. The EU does limit what the UK can and can't do.
@James Nolan if he hadn't included the outrageous content in his work, he would be censored. It's the same reason Tommy Robinson and Stefan Molyneux don't talk about the Zionists. They limit themselves to criticizing Islamic practices and cultural marxism
So by that logic, Tommy Robinson and Molyneux should also be shills
I have to say, with all sincerity, that he’s talking absolute bollocks. He continuously talks about “globalisation”. That isn’t why 17.4 million Britons voted to leave the European Union. They voted to leave because of rampant and unrestricted immigration. They voted to leave because of unelectibilty of a Central European government. They wanted to leave because they,”as voters”, wanted a say in their future. A centralised European government didn’t do that. Indeed, the European Union leaders actively sniggered and sneered at the average voter in Britain. They are not sneering now. The speaker talks about being tolerant. He’s not.
Etherglide - you make the most valid comments on this matter I’ve read for some time. I completely agree!
Look up 'common purpose' this seems to come directly from this leftie freemason club.
We don't have, and never have had, rampant and unrestricted immigration. We don't have an unelected Central European government. The EU Parliament is elected. I live in a safe Westminster seat and effectively have NO say in the UK, but I do have a say in the EU. So if people voted to leave for those reasons, they voted for a load of bollocks.
why do I get the feeling he lives in a white neighborhood.
Probably has never even been near any immigrants. Or he would have seen that many just do not fit in, and many don’t even adapt to western culture
@Yuri Orloff why would you say that
@Yuri Orloff he gna die or sumn?
If u was in England the ratio to white and ethnic minorities is massive is compared to America for example where I live there’s very little
What a load of crock.
He admits he's never dripped oil in water, but then tells us to integrate. It's a great notion, although some societies prefer to stick together rather than integrate. For example Chinatowns is various cities.
this guy mixes very different matters. In Europe, nationalism is growing out of racism of immigrants from outside Europe. in England, the leavers, voted out of racism of immigrants from the EU, and there is a huge difference in this that must be noticed and not meddled up like this guy is doing!
Whilst I have no doubt that some people voted based on their racial views, I am sure many more people didn't. There are solid arguments on both sides. Britain is a tiny island nation and the current immigration rate is unsustainable, we can't even house our current population let alone more and with the EU continuing to push for open borders, British people will want to control their borders. British fishermen have felt for a long time that EU fishing boats have been stealing fish from British waters, reducing their profits, for them this is a way of increasing their profits and securing their livelihoods. The economy may benefit in the long run from Brexit as the EU is extremely protectionist when it comes to trade with those outside the EU. The removal of these tariffs would open Britain up to more competition from more countries but may also give us access to more developing markets as we would not need to negotiate with a bilateral partner. At the same time there are downsides as I have no doubt that British goods would be subject to the afformentioned tariffs and that the economy may suffer in the short term. However, there is one major benefit which would've swung me to leave if I was of age to vote at the time being the fact that Britain on its own can react faster to the ever changing world around it than the EU as a conglomerate can. Whereas in the British parliament at least over 50% of MPs have to vote in favour of a law change for it to take place, in the EU all 28 member states much agree to a new law or it must be either revised or scrapped. This slows down the effectiveness of the EU in reacting to scenarios such as major economic shocks (stock market crashes) whilst the UK, although possibly not being as fast as other nations, has the ability to react much faster than the EU and therefore Brexit, in this sense, delivers a major long-term benefit which may prove essential with the current economic climate.
Fairly amusing to see someone who fancies themselves as so self aware and "woke" not only miss the mood of his own countrymen initially, but then to hear him wonder how it was that he missed the mood, and arrive at set of conclusion that are just as myopic and distorted by his own world view as the initial miss.
One is tempted to suggest you cannot acquire a new perspective without first setting aside the lens through which you are interpreting the relevant facts....the very lens which led to the initial error in the first place.
"Only a bigot who doesn't understand what's in their own best interest would want to leave the EU" - false conclusion #1
"How did I miss there were so many bigots who don't know what's in their own best interest here in the UK?" - false conclusion #2
One is tempted to suggest the speaker learned nothing at all despite all the hand wringing and self congratulatory noodling....
Well said
A brilliant summary of the huge flaws in both this speech, and his personal inability to carry out any sort of nuanced, balanced analysis into Brexit.
here speaks a man who through his own admission is totaly out of touch with the country he speaks about .Just like every other politition in the UK
He admits his out of touch, then proceeds to prove that point by remaining firmly out of touch. I wonder if he ever bothered visiting those hard Leave places? I doubt it.
Politician*
Looking through rose tinted glasses my neighbourhood has been ruin by immigrants and everyone feels scared to walk through our streets due large groups of people on corners and numerous break ins and assaults not all migration is good and nationalism is not inherently evil!!!
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Sir Oscar Wilde.
Imagine what Nationalism is...
Whenever someone agrues "there is consensus amongst economists therefore this must be right" I roll about laughing.
He does not have a clue that "free trade" does not mean a level playing field for all products. It just means TARIFF free trade, which is of course not the same thing. All countries have hidden subsidies build into their taxation systems that render any notion of free trade simply ridiculous. Plus, anyone who actually looks hard at industrial history knows free trade benefits middlemen but not producers. The UK is run from the City, a place of rent-seekers, so free trade is popular, whilst our industries are gone for good (and our balance of trade with them).
Care to bring any numbers to your claims?
Subsidies are a part of modern trade policy but so are mechanism to level them. But it's also reasonable to consider that subsidies are an integrated part of our societies; for example tax reduction or construction projects to win over a large manufacturer to a municipality. On the other hand there is also evidence of the benefits of international value chains, so I don't believe that the conclusion - free trade is bad - is that clear cut.
I would say that there are no real options to free trade. We have entered a new era, in which the competition is higher and were peoples expectations far outreach previous generations. Meaning there is no going bak to the "old glory days" because people are a lot more productive today and most important of all they expect a much higher level of prosperity, including komplex products and goods from all over the world. The evidence for this is very clear. Look at what the consumers demand and on the components and compositions of our modern "best sellers".
@@petterrodebjer4743 I am sceptical that unfettered free trade is really such a good thing when all of the associated costs are consideted (cost of layoffs, retraining, social security payments to the poorly paid and so forth) but it would be a major exercise to prove it. Somone would have done so by now were it that easy.
But nor would I argue for protectionism.
So far as I can tell from reading, the increase in trade with developing nations has benefited those in developing nations and the wealthiest in developed countries, but has not been to the advantage of the low-to-middle earners of developed countries. This has contributed to social resentment. This would suggest a need for policies to reduce disparities of wealth, and targeted tariffs might be part of the way to do that.
This guy sums up the reason we voted to leave Europe! Condescending globalization is the problem not the solution.
I was expecting that dislike bar just by reading the title.
The subject literally split brits in two, it's probably the worst subject to talk about on the internet.
I'm british, and I don't feel literally split in two.
52% of people like this video.
It's actually 69%.
It was meant as a joke.
The Brexit vote was 52% leave.
Getting on stage and being obviously pro- a particular stance and talking about it will leave an (roughly representative) audience split.
Losing your social identity is a valid reason to try and regain it back by looking inwards. The consequence of ignoring this reason is a worse off psychological wellbeing where the UK society feels as though they have lost a large part of who you are.
Great quote. Thank you for that.
Gibberish
Any economic loss can be rectified over time, but when your identity is lost, ...you're done ...its over!!
Yes sir. If you'd like some further in-depth reasons as to why the vote went with Brexit (I voted for it, BTW), then have a glimpse at Toby Young's video here on RUclips (just put in Toby Young Brexit) and you'll see why the UK wasted some 40 years under the "guidance" (sic) of that infamous useless CARTEL.
Their not gonna get it back from brexit..
He got the most applause when he admitted he didn't know much about those that voted for Brexit. Sheesh.
He got the applause because of his honesty.
Yes and he clearly couldn't be bothered to find out !
I completely agree with the lecturer. But there are two factors that also contributed to Brexit. 1) 2008 financial crisis, which led to the Tory’s austerity policy. This, combined with the problems of not sharing the benefits of globalism, made people bitter and angry. 2) terrorists attacks in Europe. These sent waves of horror across the continent and contributed to anti-immigration sentiments.
The lecturer listed 4 ways to solve the problem, but all is depends on the economy. As we know that Brexit is going to plunge UK’s economy into abyss, therefore these solutions will, sadly, only remain on a social-study academic level.
I voted leave for one reason only, and that is i want my county to be sovereign. It's that simple.
You use immigration as an example, if i don't like my country's immigration policy I'd like to be able to vote for a party that has the power to change the immigration policy. Currently, EU law is more powerful than UK law so we cannot vote to change immigration policy even if we want to
In fact UK has always full control of its immigration. If you remember the Syrian war, (the horrible image of a small boy drowned in the Mediterranean) thousands of refugees were fleeing and rushing to Europe, Germany accepted millions of refugees. Then EU was putting pressure on David Cameron to receive refugees, but Cameron slyly agrees to accept 20,000 in 5 years. As a result, no refugees were officially allowed into the country. Remember UK is not even part of the schengen area.
Talking about Sovereignty, the European Human Rights laws were largely drafted by British and French lawyers. British judges equally sit in the European courts. This is about collaboration and common understanding . There is no such thing that UK is “subject” to EU laws. UK has always its own sovereignty.
@@samzhou5191 having to accept an unlimited infinite amount of EU citizens, and being forced to accept Syrian refugees is not having control of immigration
An academic, from Oxford, specialising in migration, demonstrating that he's not on the same plane as those motivated to leave the EU. He's probably well acquainted with the socio-dynamics of those on the move and quite unaware of those who await them.
in my travels people were more tolerant/kind to me in places where no any migrants
More experts who do not have a clue
Right from the outset, the self-loathing on display is bile inducing.
He is the absolute embodiment of the liberal elite. I doubt he took the Conservative landslide of Dec 19 too well either! hehe.
''I am still a global citizen'' He said unblinking.
So?
"Why Brexit happened"
Because people want to leave the EU
"and what to do next"
Leave the EU
EVERYONE STOP! - THIS GUYS JUST SOLVED EVERYTHING.
@@fraser1642 Solve ? In a democracy voting is the solution !
Kim Jung Un - We had a vote in 2016
@@drumdirt Exactly
Easy peasy, lemon squeezy...havent done it yet
I liked the expression "positive benefits" of globalisation. Implying that there also should be "negative benefits".
There are absolutely NO negative benefits of world trade, the whole world working for the good of each other, sounds OK to me, but trade under the dubious rules/regulations of a European super-cartel is something that I personally would look much deeper into before I ever put pen to paper.
Our english teacher told us to watch this video as homework
Maybe it was intended as a warning not to go to university.
"This man is perhaps the most intelligent person I've come across who still doesn't understand the bigger picture; this is incredibly dangerous for humanity. __
Perhaps ironically, he talks of people who voted to leave rather than to them. He continues the theme of assuming to be superior to them, he talks about them not as equals but as if they are a problem. The only real problem they pose is to this vision of globalisation. __
I myself am a liberal. I believe everyone should be allowed to do what makes them happy so long as it doesn't negatively impact others. I am not however, a 'progressive', someone who wants to manipulate the human race into becoming something dangerously unsustainable and unnatural, and fundamentally flawed by design. __
The most common mistake these people make is assuming borders are simple entities, with a purpose none other than to stop individual's freedoms. In some cases this can be true, North Korea for example, but you cannot compare western borders to that of the likes of North Korea. So what do borders do? They protect us in many ways; by containing the human population in cells or 'nations' (that are still free to interact with other cells) you protect against diseases, you protect cultures and beliefs, you protect fragile ecosystems, and most importantly you give people much more democratic control within those smaller populations and therefore a much bigger voice on the world stage through elected representation. __
Common sense is completely missing from the globalist vision. If you have a larger population, then each vote becomes worth less. In a globalised world, your voice becomes worth 1 in 7+ billion rather than 1 in 60+ million (eg). Globalisation does NOT have to be political, the only possible outcome is an authoritarian state, no matter how well it may be disguised. __
So I say: How dare they not listen as equals to those of a different opinion? How dare they advocate the destruction of systems that have protected us for so long? And how dare they use ideological fantasy to brainwash the young and naïve? __
This is nothing but pure arrogance. He knows better, does he? No, he doesn't. This is above all a matter of opinion and everyone has their own reasoning for their opinions, but let's not for a moment actually ask people for their (allegedly uninformed) reasoning, right? Note how people like this do not listen to people who do not agree with them, in fact people like him actively seek to bury any valid counter arguments instead of having a fair debate and rely on titles awarded to them also by people of similar opinions to give credence to their waffle. __
This comment that you're reading now (up to the second to last paragraph) was removed by TED several times from their website before they banned the account that posted it. They silence anyone who dares question their egocentric opinions and leave only the less well-informed arguments visible in an attempt to tarnish anyone who disagrees with the brush of being ill-educated or racist; the comment was fully on-topic in response to the video and broke none of the terms of their website, yet it was still systematically removed by their feudal moderators. If these are the tactics used to try to convince us of how great the EU is then I want no part of it; this has more resemblance to Soviet Russia and the GDR than to the democracy of the United Kingdom."
"regions with more immigration are more tolerant of immigrants"
Well obviously! Maybe we're confusing cause and effect?
May be it's because the ones that are most affected have already moved.
You just said the centre of thr problem: by having spent so few days in the country you just said you do not know your own country. You think your thoughts represent some kind of better good, which is not necessary the case...
It was because of people like this I voted for Brexit .
The European Union is very popular with politicians because it's very good to politicians, it was created for their benefit. It's not so good to voters because it denies them a voice (another reason it's popular with politicians). These day's most of the European people don't make their own laws, they have them handed down to them by people they haven't elected. For the last 44 years we have also had our laws handed down to us by people we haven't elected and can't remove. The people we do elect are powerless to change anything, even if they wanted to, and most of them don't want to because they've got their snouts in the trough of a corrupt organisation whose accounts haven't been signed off for the last 23 years and we, the people that is, haven't consented to any of it. We've had it steadily imposed upon us over four decades through duplicity and coercion. Because today in Europe, the grand project, political union is more important than the people and that's the bottom line. Nothing must ever be allowed to disrupt the project, especially democracy, in fact, if there's one thing a Eurocrat politician despises and fears more than anything it's the democratic will of the people. And this is because many of those who run Europe today were politicised by 60's pseudo marxist Utopianism which they're still determined to impose on the people (for their own good) regardless of what the people might actually want. They believe in centralised, state control. Society as a project, (their project) it's the same mentality that ran the old Soviet Union and its the mentality that's driven the European Union forward, against the wishes of the European people. Imposing a constitution on the whole of Europe that nobody was allowed to vote for and also imposed a useless single currency on the whole of Europe that's now falling apart at the seams. But they won't abandon the Euro dollar because they see it as a vital step to full political union and ultimately, the abolition of all European nation states under a central, Socialist, dictatorship. So you can imagine just how inconvenient democracy is to this mentality when people have shown they simply can't be trusted to vote the way they're told, but what can they do? They can't just abolish democracy, that might raise a few eyebrows, even in sleepy, brainwashed Europe. So instead they practice a kind of soft totalitarianism dressed up in the language of consensus that effectively neutralises democracy. Yes you can vote if you want to but if you get it wrong you'll all have to do it again until you get it right.
May I remind you that privatisation of NHS, National Rail and 3 fold increase in university fees was not handed down by the EU. UK has one of the lowest qualities of healthcare in the EU and the inequality gap in access to healthcare between the rich and poor is increasing. Those who commute to work on trains can easily see that selling off National Rail to private companies was a mistake, as trains are overloaded, prices are increasing and delays caused by technical failures are not addressed by private companies who score the profits but don't invest enough of it into maintenance. Younger generations in the productive age are swept by post-university debt and not setting up families leading to ageing of population - less tax payers for the future. Your government sold all these to wash their hands off the responsibility for the quality of your life. Face the music - although theoretically we could all benefit from increased regulation of immigration, immigrants are a scapegoat for the government, and not the main problem. Democracy is in crisis and the inflamed propaganda is just part of a cover up, to keep your eyes off the incompetence of the rulling class.
It’s fortunate that the burgers of Brussels favourite building material is glass. It won’t need as much clearing up as the previous Fuherer would have had . If he hadn’t taken the pill.
Which is why we had a referendum on the referendum to leave which blew my mind. Very interesting what you wrote. I agree with a lot of it, but not the Marxist part, because in a communist society, wealth is shared. Not sure how the EU compares to communism.
This chap misses the point entirely. Brexit is about not being controlled by Orwellian liberal left wing, elitist, foreigners, who have their own interests at heart. Lots of Brexiteers would be very happy with a flexible federal Europe. But not one represented by the EU.
says no one ever
@@dorwardy oh shut it wanker.
Rim Anals should not be in charge
OK , we go for no deal then we are subject to the control of 164 countries of the WTO who must ALL agree to any schedule. Brilliant!
How is the EU left wing?
And what to do next ? Accept it !
As soon as said he was shocked by the result I lost interest in what he had to say.
I was positively beaming while he was shocked.
He'll never comprehend how proud of the uk I was that morning.
I felt we had broken the iron grip of this horrible liberal left disease and cleansed the earth.
You leavers don't understand how it can impact the British economy, me for example stopped purchasing goods from GB because of being afraid of paying extra fees for importing. On the other hand in euro are also nationalist who just stop purchasing goods only because they know that you are against them. Let's see where all this will end.
@@farukzeqiri I voted leave because nobody persuaded me to stay, I thought maybe there are better opportunities if we can trade freely. Like all business, it's a gamble.... I'm not against anyone ...Closed markets are usually bad for business. 🙂. Things were not made clear on both sides though, I just voted on the information I had at the time. In the end nobody really knows if it will work, until some years from now.
Ferry builder Incat's German subsidiary will build and supply two of the worlds first high speed dual-fuel car ferries capable of carrying 180 HGV's plus 150 other vehicles and 1450 passengers, these two ferries are the world's fastest ships having achieved a speed of 58.1 knots - (107.6 kilometres an hour) have been ordered by DFDS to connect Ireland and Europe directly at high speed, avoiding the need to use the UK landbridge via Dublin, Holyhead, Dover, Calais to Europe.
The first step in a €30 million transformation of Rosslare Europort will be taken this week now that the port authority, Iarnród Eireann has approved planning permission by Wexford County Council.
The investment, which will be made jointly by Ireland and the EU during 2021/2, is part of a port 'Masterplan' to ensure Rosslare Harbour has the capacity, facilities and technology to facilitate major growth for the benefit of the region and the national economy, replacing the need for the "UK landbridge" to mainland Europe from Ireland, unfortunately cutting hundreds of jobs in the UK but replacing them in Ireland.
Among the changes which are subject to planning permission are a reconfiguration of the port lay-out and new facilities and infrastructure along with a plan to make Rosslare a 'sustainable, seamless and smart port', to ensure it reaches its full potential as Ireland's gateway to Europe and beyond.
@@herrglotzenschnitzengruber1510 Well you will have to lend Ireland the money to pay for their share because they are bankrupt...
When did Judge Rinder become such an expert on globalism?
Couldn't help chuckling! :-)
Never been more than 100 yards from a Starbucks and a copy of the Guardian.
I don't read the Guardian. I read the Times. I do not believe in Brexit. Get that leftist nonsense out of your head. There is no left or right about it.
LOVE THIS
I doubt he saw a mosque until he was 18 😂😂😂😂
The problem with us British is that we had become too accepting and welcoming. This made us appear weak, ripe to be overthrown within our own borders. Brexit is the British people making a stand for freedom of thought, British traditions, British rule & interests, free market etc. Brexit was a defensive move to stand our ground against other aggressive nations, religion & migration. The world needs sovereign nations getting the best deal they can for their people on an international playing field.
Virtue signalling master class, has all the benefits of the class system he seems to protest.
I'm absolutely sick of the current narrative that paints nationalism as a dirty word. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being patriotic and loving your country. The kind of nationalism that gives rise to dictators is far and away the *exception*, not the rule as the media would have people believe.
there's a very important difference between being proud of your nation and our heritage (simple patriotism), and nationalism - which would be characterised by a sense of superiority due to nationality, isolationist policies and xenophobia
Unless it`s Welsh or Scottish nationalism which is wrong.
Ahh! The virtue signaling is strong with this one. And the third question you should ask yourself is: "Is it possible that I could be wrong?" But I know that thought won't ever cross your mind, because you think you're so much more enlightened than everyone else.
You are right, and the question after that is how do I figure it out. For evidence you might look to the past, as states (political system) have grown bigger what has happened to human rights, crime, violence and what ever else you care about?
Not necessarily true, the Soviet Union is probably the most obvious example.
I didn't get that vibe from him... The irony is; have you asked yourself what you ask him?
Maxwell James Yes. And even if I hadn't, the main stream media is constantly challenging me and trying to convince me that I'm wrong. The same cannot be said about the echo chamber on the other side.
Marcos Beni The trick is to know when you are wrong. As Karl Popper pointed out the most valuable ideas are ones that can be proven wrong. We should seek to disconfirm our dearly held ideas. Seeking confirmation isn't help for, it's only when ideas change that there is progress. Is it possible the main stream media is right sometimes?
Wow.
I'm in favour of open borders, I don't see why we need passports.
I'm constantly interacting with immigrants, or first generation descendants.
I am in favour of the four freedoms of movement, those of labor, capital, goods and services. This is what the European Union was created to support?
I have a mathematical degree, clear thinking essential.
I've traveled quite widely, but not as far as some. I have enjoyed my time abroad, and learning about alternative cultures from those I interact with daily.
The best thing I learned was that there are three signs God is happy with you; when he gives you daughters, visitors or rain! We are truly blessed in this country!
I voted for Brexit.
I'm not in fear of globalisation, I support it. I'm not in fear of immigration, I support it.
I don't recognise myself in any of the caricatures I read about describing those who voted to leave.
We have enough corruption in our own country's politicians without supporting another layer of corruption in Europe.
All we need to do is unilaterally declare free trade with all nations, and invite them to reciprocate. The EU wanted our money or goods in the past, why is this changing? I genuinely don't understand. Is it because the politicians declared that free trade can only exist within the EU and not with those outside? If they wish to erect a barrier border across Ireland, let them. A true bastion of free trade? I think not.
The speaker acknowledges his limitations and advocates the society to be less polarized and more open to communication.
Rather than discrediting views with which you disagree or simply pointing out that others are wrong, it would be helpful to speak up your concerns, why you disagree, and why you think you know better.
For you "what to do next" means "what can we do to make sure something like this doesn't happen again..."
The speaker, on a TEDTalk, went forward with the idea that Brexit was bad thing.
How disappointing :(
I knew I wouldn't like it.
Alexander Milton Stedman Betts (born 17 January 1980) is the Leopold Muller Professor of Forced Migration and International Affairs and William Golding senior fellow at Brasenose College at the University of Oxford.
Kinda say it all, really. Doesn't it?
So what does this tell you?
Christian Geiselmann Together with the content of the video, It tells me that he’s an academic who’s divorced from the realities of life towards the bottom of society, preferring to form opinions based solely on statistics, and he’s biased in favour of enforced migration. If you don’t agree then I suggest you see for yourself what mass migration has done to the poorest and most deprived towns in the UK.
Andy Lewis I LIVE in the UK, and that’s just not true. The whole “they’re taking our jobs” mantra is nonsense. Plus, leaving the EU isn’t gonna stop refugees or even immigrants.
@@AeromaticXD For a start, I said nothing whatsoever about jobs, much less spouting a mantra. I don't know what you think of what I said is "just not true" but if you think that mass migration on the current scale is not destroying social cohesion in our poorer towns, I can only assume you have no experience of life in them at all. Just because you live in the UK doesn't mean that you know what life is like for non-Muslims in Preston, Oldham, Luton, etc etc etc.
Britain has a long history of accepting refugees, who have been in small enough numbers and over long enough periods not to threaten our underlying values. It's Europe's avowed intend to undermine the national identities of it's member states. Viz, the latest statement from Herr Juncker about nationalists.
I have NO objection to immigration. It's MASS uncontrolled immigration that I object to.
Griever I said nothing about jobs. Read history all you like but if you don’t read comments your response will make no sense.
I am a leave voter and he doesn't understand me and why I wanted out
One of the best, no, for me, the best article on the topic “Why Brexit and what can we learn from it”. Very good!